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it is good to carry low pugs
is trickster no good for sin?
lemme know if you can equip trickster as sin
So real
it can go ok in pure ST
its a 50/50 if you get the capstone in your opener
emphasis on CAN lol
i tried it a couple of times on sprocket and gave up
so since some of our attacks do get parried when we're in a raid should i make a concerted effort to hit bosses from behind?
so its not a considerable dps loss?
it's kinda difficult to stay behind something most of the time, i always hated "backstab" mechanics in games
stab on the back was a rogue thing many years ago
u can stab from everywhere now
could actually sim yourself and see what % of your atks got parried
idk how u sim a loss though
i would love to be able to do that, so if someone knows how plz let us know
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Question for mug zee mythic. Do assa just not want jail? Or does everyone need to jail once?
guys do i need macro for shadowmeld or it doesnt work as vanish ?
just changed my race to night elf
I havnt played a nightelf in almost a legit life time but if I remember don't you need to restealth after shadow meld? it's sort of a jank vanish due to that
yea i macred shadowmeld with stealth but some times doesnt work
actually most of the times
yup thats just how meld performs
glad my memory wasnt too far off base
Doesnβt work on bosses or like idk randomly otherwise
How the heck can I not do tank dmg with bleed build st (no funnel adds :C) I feel like im playing with my feet.... with poor luck sometimes im doing like 1.2/1.3 and im just starved to fuck of energy barely maintaing bleeds..
boss's with dam amps are gravy, I just send cds and rocket up the meters but fg 3rd + last.. help
blindside + zoldyck is a hell of a thing
1.2/1.3 on FG 3rd boss is pretty low if you're anywhere near 670
thats kujo damage
but yeah there's kinda two answers, one is "there's a very low cap for how good you can be" and the other is "keep practising until you get there" lol
I honestly feel like I could walk away for 30s and still not have 150 energy by the time I get back
true
wild thing, the energy is good compared to a lot of the past
I'm just spinning bleeds, i've tried not maintain crimson and just spinning rup/gar but evenom is dogwater without the supporting talents lmao
i can't agree with Spark more though
I'm only just pushing into 15s but I feel like a fucking anchor on some boss's ngl
bosses at 14-15 should live long enough that you'll always be able to save a DM for execute
the real dispair is playing as well as you can and as fucking greasy as you can and still being like wtf. you just find zen at that point.
even more wild is that playing bleed is more button presses than hybrid
so it should feel faster
cause blindside alone is like legit 5 apm
Silence, sim beta. A feels guy is talking
my apologies, o great gelatinous one
Keep sassing and Iβll show you my gelatin
Surely they are similar if you try to sit at 150+ energy tho?
comcast once refused to talk to me becuase they recorded my name as Last > middle becuase I guess they have never looked at an ID before
I mean you try to sit over 50% energy for legit like 20% of the fight
it's not like you're afk at 300 energy just dick in hand watching your energy melt away
Do we play around sang in st?
is there a smart way to automate setting your deathmark target as focus target?
bro me too
Maybe thats my problem lmao
with bleed build only, and even then only "kinda"
being above 50% and just letting bleeds deal additional damage is a very small gain
but when most dumbfucks hear that they just full afk if their energy every drops below 150
which is just not how that works lmao
Yeah I mean you cant
Cause you gotta refresh bleeds which then eventually leads to DN which you have to slam asap
Doesn't lead to DN if you never apply the mark. I'm sanguinemaxxing
there is no situation where if I am at 100 energy and 6 adds appear that I am not dotting them
i cant imagine being like "follow the rules"
I mean yeah you'd dot them because the 150+ situation is only for pure ST
Wait I'm not supposed to have dick in hand??
Never said it was mine.
is it possible that crit flask is simming better than alchemical chaos or its just sim bait?
that would definitely be something
idk if it's "simbait", the sim is accurate
but that would be unheard of
can you link the sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8MFK5YYBdfBxvsLrU5WUUe
dont know if i did something wrong, but tried to copy and paste on advanced sims the this that is on tc-research channel, i mean the difference its quite small, was just curious if it had any impact in real gameplay
also its simming quite low now that i see it, when a normal sim its like this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bNFjQHhv8hVKcBX88HTrby
2.9 mil for a single target 6 min fight? im missing somethig obvious
its dungeon slice
yeah you're missing that it's not single target lmao
says 1 boss target
ooh i see, i was like wtf is happening
at the end of the day I think the problem is mainly that your gear has got dogshit ass crit
and so crit is really valuable
ohhh okay
but yeah the difference its not like really crazy, was just a curious thing since i've been seeing zeross lately and he is using the crit flask in keys
sure
I mean if it's better for you it's better
but that's why it's better
you have like 9300 haste on that gear set and not even 7000 crit
which is just insanity
especially in m+, crit has a lot of value for like fok cp and all that
and it's nearly your worst stat
the less of a stat you have, the better it is in comparison to other stats
so you simming consumables gives it an opportunity to get as much crit as it can
the top gear you linked is doing the same thing
its just begging you to get more crit
Ohh okay okay, understood, really appreciate for taking the time to explain:D
how do you survive with less than 7000 crit
im at like 15k
crit and mastery is what you wanna prioritize but all stats are relatively good stats
i guess devs decided that last change to KB is hella big buff for assa and they wont touch it for 2 more months?
what
sry i just woke up and cant get my shit together
!fuu
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what even could they do about assa lmao it's a top performing spec in literally every aspect
0 reason to be upset and we're still getting upset
crazy work
i just want more burst damage
Assa is lucky to escape nerfs while sub is drowning in the pool
yep, indeed
I mean fair enough I guess
I think you're insane for that
but such is the way of opinions I guess
im just envy of my friends doing like 3m dps mid-fight in raids and me doing pretty much less
also even my friend's fresh fdk with pretty mid-gear sims almost the same as me on execute patchwerk
Comparing sims between specs is very useless
yeah might as well compare earlobe sizes
xd
What trinket do you prefer ? Eye of kezan or the one from Floodgate ?
in what situation
M+ and myth Raid
come join us in the sub channel
where the true dooming is taking place
@balmy condor is it worth racial changing from human to blood elf
(for good reason)
is the blood elf racial superior or inferior to human racial
okay well eye of kezan is really good on like the last 3 raid bosses in mythic cause the fight lasts really long, but otherwise probably pacemaker
actually damn the human racial is way better than the blood elf racial
sub at the bottom of the charts and the only spec not buffed 2 tuning passes in a row π
do you think blood elf looks better?
it does
i've raided like a month as sub and at first glance that was pretty awesome but then my lazy ass brain made me move back to assa
then sounds like its worth it
and helps me get closer to my bae valeera
I love my Void elf
but i cant justify it if its worse racials
blood elf racial for rogues is basically only +1% crit
but human racial is +2% everything
you can't justify playing what you want to because of a 0.1% dps difference?
which far exceeds the blood elf
human isnt that bad tbh
just massive hips
for whatever reason
i dont like my girls thicc if u kno what i mean
can't relate
do you know how little they do lol
people love complaining
cuz there're specs that outperform it heavily in raids :>
changes = complains
no changes = complains
welcome to wow
that's why im kinda sad
what if i complain about people complaining
then other people can complain about the people complaining about complaining
you gotta squint
I'm not RWF or in an environment where it fucking matters, so... why do I give a fuck lmao
to see a diff
assa is literally 1 of the best specs in the game for mugzee, the probs hardest fight in the tier lol
thiis new foirced induction no garrote build feels hella clunky in m+
then don't play it
All Specs are easy playable, But the Community is to much on Meta classes what is S Tier β¦
wow wtf
I doubt you play at a level where it's good
theres such a huge gap between human and blood elf
I'm gonna kms
who made orcs so op
what key level would u say its good

Yeaaa i see that xD but 4real assa single is amazing and on m+ bleed build is amazing toping most overalls
After this DK nerfs assa i Think would contest DK easly dps wise
it just isnt a day unless we trigger whispy somehow
maybe 17, probably 18
bleed/hybrid till 17?
and to add to that
there are multipe races that share their effect and have different spots, which makes it even more of a meme lol
bleed until 17 most likely yes
bleed has timed 18s im p sure
it has
might not be the most optimal in 18's
just bleed your way to +20
but it is good
agree
everything in wow can be answered by skill issue
Undead is last and thats only cause they dont have as cool animations as they used to π―
we all gotta just git gud
bleed is most fun w master assasin vanish shiv crimson tempest sub 35% on mobs, shit feels awesome
do undead still eat dead bodies to get healing back
that used to be op as fuck in pvp
human racial was also op as fuck in pvp
coz you could run a pve bis trinket
and absoluttely dickslap people in arena
yeah
shame they fucking nerfbatted the shit out of the human racial
yeah but i play troll so i'm regenerating 5hp per second.
and there's nothing you can do about it 
absolute dogshit now
Dude u need to play maghar or else you wont time that 12 or get a 99 parse
I mean idk stun break is actually nice
if you ask me, nelf is next on the chopping block
meld has been stupid far too many times
@balmy condor do u have any tips for bleed in st on m+. i know it has bad boss dam but anything important other then maintaining sanguine
shadowmeld seems still as opas it used to be
back form what i remember
how did blizzard not nerf the fuck out of that
it's only a matter of time before meld gets obliterated
but they nerfbatted the shit out of humans
i call this racist
this is clearly an act of racism
maintaining sanguine isn't important, its a very small gain
like, tiny.
Like I do use human racial quite a lot, fail to dodge a coin on bandit cause noob? Just racial the 8 sec stun
just keep bleeds up, hit boss, works fine
!wa
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what is afenar
@balmy condor just to double check ur plater right
yellow means its kickable
what do all the colors mean
oh wait theres a summary in the link
nevermind
yeah the summary should be correct
maybe the mark color is oudated
cause I made it white
the rest should be accurate
π i didnt read athe summary since getting it from you yesterday
today all my dungeons i have not kicked a single orange
ive only been kicking yellows
LOL
afenar is a content creator that makes a bunch of class weakaura packages
no wonder i had a dk that kept dying coz i wasnt kicking important stuff
sounds like it was a DK skill issue
I mean to be fair, you just kinda know what to kick after running it a couple times
i just look at colors to kick tbh
i dont see what im kicking
or dbm tells me to kick and i kick
ezpz
braindead gameplay
probably not the best thing to be getting used to
pretty much so xd
my friend yelling at me to stop kicking first cuz he wanna do that so he can get runic power
LOL
i dont aim to be the best rogue, just an above average rogue that can shadowmeld into the background while others blast dps on parses
and sometimes it ends like he's the only one who's kicking casts if there're not a lot of mobs
as long as im with everyone i can rat my way to achievements
that makes sense tho if he can genreate runic power etc
rogues dont get anything out of kicks as far as i know
i get to pad my interrupt count on details
its important
for my ego
but what if

both
fair
gotta top everything, damage done, interrupts, damage taken because fuck healers
don't forget deaths
top damage done, damage taken, deaths, healing, healing taken, interrupts
i got nothing to do for the rest of the week to reset
and its only halfway through the week until reset
sadge
got my 8 vault slots
i mean if your cheat death cooldown doesn't have 100% uptime are you even playing the game?
not play wow
are you a pokemon master
no I sit on a rock all day
Should I use tea with so called dry shiv? Is it better than using it on the next KB?
i wanna race change to blood elf to complete the valeera look
but then id have to deal with going to orgrimmar all the time
which is not ideal stormwind > org
the trick is you push keys
and then you only ever have 1 week of content drought every season
i got to +12 everything and sitting at 2950 atm
yeah
am bad
but as i said
i dont aim to be the best rogue
just the above average rogue
If youre not raid logging at week 2 or the season, are you really a gamer?
i will rat my way to achievements 
I wont if you dont look at mine
π€
Cant wait to kill mythic bandit tommorow and get a legendary parse (gray)
remember to ninja loot the house of cards
actually jokes youre subtlety
you NEED need that trinket
Loot council
Im a sin main, but forced to sub on bandit 
are you priority on the hoc
oh
ggwp
youre gonna get shafted on hoc
LOL
do you hvae mythic signet?
I have heroic signet, but its quite bad for sub
ive only just realized now that hwen i have a dps race against my friends
when i use signet
it actually benefits them
signet is the team player trinket
if you wanna be an asshole use hoc
oh yeah signet is really bad for sub
according to sims the pvp trinket is better for sub π
Heroic transmitter from last season outdps's heroic signet on sub 
prized aspirant even
not even the gladiator one
yep
im 10/10 mindblown
sit in some bg';s afk
and get the prized aspirant trinket
LOL
Still no house of cards 
apparently this is the one
i got a champion house of cards
you know when i say be an asshole
i took it literally that day in the dungeon
be me
play assassinationnot win anything i need in the duration of the run
clears oab on normal mode coz its easy
hoc drops and everyone rolls on it
be me, be an asshole
win the roll
everyone was livid
"BRO YOU ALREADY HAVE A MYTHIC SIGNET"
be one with your inner asshole
This is why mythic guilds have loot councils 
theres like a million other specs that actually need mythic hoc over a sin rogue tbh
wouldnt blame a loot council for distributing that shit appropriately
its the spymaster of this season basically
pretty much everyone needs it
if anything its even more in demanda than spymaster was last season
Cant even be an asshole
i've got heroic hoc and myth signet, however i'll go apeshit mode if hoc drops
Dinars will give everyone their house of cards
im probably the start of many peoples villain arcs in this game
i swear to god today in a motherlode 10 run
this one tank just tanked the boss in the missile barrage every time and thought he was doing a good job
then his mage duo was saying he was doing a good job when he gets half the team killed becuase of the missile barrage
the amount of shittalking i did 
i mean, thats a bad raidmate then

80% of our guild are like this so we're in a great symbiosis
tbh normal raids and lfr is fair game for being a supervillain
but i think heroic and mythic you gotta think about ur team
if you give a mythic HoC to a assa rogue
actually demonic lol
like, thats a gquit moment 
youd actually create like at least 10 supervillains
there are a bazillion specs where it has so much more value for everyone lmao
Some may say that popping evasion on last boss on priory and going full demise mode on the adds is padding
literally margin of error on this sim
i run blackjack
well our RL made us supervillains already by giving out items to 2 girls before anyone else cuz he's fucking simp
Gotta use HoC so you can use autumn from hpaladins 
(i havent gotten autumn even once)
but did he smash
I got it week 1 normal mode clear
Which then ruled me out of ever getting it on heroic

he's married and despite that fact he's simping over internet girls
I mean its only 7 ilvls, and for the most part you wouldnt upgrade it until later anyway
disgusting
HC and Normal being the exact same for most of the tier 
I got priory hc anyhow its chill
back in the wotlk day the first time i ever chimped out over something in WoW i still vividly remember
i was playing rogue back then
do you guys remember the dagger sinister revenge
from KT
long story short my guild was a small guild and we only did 10man raids, but then we joined a bigger guild's run on a 25man nax and then the bis dagger sinister revenge dropped
i was rolling and i should have got it
but some fuckwit hunter rolled
and was going to get it
but like why tf does a hunter need the dagger
"just agility bro its good i can use it"
i fully chimped out coz it was best in slot for rogues
and the guild lead i had at the time was a lil bitch
and said yeah we should give it to the bigger guild's hunter coz we were invited to the run
and im like excuse me the fuck
and the hunter didnt even have an offhand to use it with
roll on every bow
every single one
i raged and chimped out so hard like only a 10 year old could
fuck 'em
aight guys i need to comfort my ego
am i good sin? 
*that's damage to boss logs
very based
chad tier gameplay
u the type of rogue i can only aspire to be
213 kills wat
does bro just run nonstop raids even when u dont get loot
that's my job recently xd
is this messing with the css of the site?
nah
and writing w/e you want xd
that's like from the start of the season
we were something like 1st or 2nd on realm who cleared everything till 6th boss on HC
aight, this should be less confusing
xd
But like you have multiple clears of the same bosses during same reset
shit the cataracts are forming i can't read the kills column
that's really pleasant to hear, thank mate
literally made me cry almost
yeah
For what reason tho? Parsing?
if yo play tricks, you are in no position to tell anyone what to do 
actually insane how ussules tricks is
I just run blackjack because I like to pretend that I have utility
i mean, tanks wont complain about blackjack
And iron wire cuts into my ability to bleed
are you saying i should just not use tricks of the trade
alright bet i can take one more thing out of my action bars
yeah but if i set it to overall dmg im only 30-ish
but i think that's only cuz most of the logs are hidden
its the biggest cope talent in the game that doesnt do anything lol
gold boosts
blackjack?
but i guess in raids its absolutely useless
So sorry to hear that you went from the top 0.0001% to the top 0.001% mate my condolences
tricks doesnt help the tank lol
ye just go blackjack
I know how hard that must be
no it doesnt
you dont bild aggro as assa
sub resets aggro in shadowdance
outtlaw has no burst for aggro
@balmy condor can i get a legit check
should i talent out of tricks
and never use it
its like i'm not trusted D:
wow
the only usage for tricks is really if you run ahead and pull stuff for the tank in a coordinated group lol
i must rub the based whispy for an answer
rubbing whisps π like a Lamp for a wish
im not trying to be egoistic or something, im sorry if i really made it look like that
that's just something inside my brain and also influence from braindead vice-RL BDK that literally asking us to do 100 parses
Yeah just rank 1 parse every pull or noob
"yeha you all have to be the hioghest dps in the world"
If you are 2 of the same spec in the same kill kick rank 2
welp, that's pretty much what he says, but he doesnt even know how his other 2 specs are working
based
we dont tolerate weakness
nah he's typing, gonna pull out a yap for the ages
certified yap god
Also if you are doing heroic carries why does someone care about how people parse there 
Fried
I mean tricks has uses if your tank is shit or whatever but blackjack good
Like tryan and people said, assa makes basically 0 aggro in opener cause itβs just ramping
Tricks does have a use for like chain pulls and stuff where you got a tank thatβs grabbing more mobs but not actually hitting them, happens a lot with shit tanks cause they just assume aggro is infinite, and then your caustic just snaps them to you.
For most people, tricks is probably overrated and youβll get more saves out of blackjack and just making sure you keep an eye on any stragglers
only god knows
Also assa doesnt even have access to 1 hour tricks so u actually have to press it if you are gonna use it
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all the narcos shows were worth watching
i amde a mouseover macro
same one as my kick
Yeah the fuu sheet will tell you if its worth watching
works gud
3rd season gonna be about el chapo?
xd
aight, gonna check it out
thanks!
Yeah I mean itβs a little weird to be like top 10, top 30, out of 15-16k. I know I was being a bit hyperbolic but top 30 is legit top 0.2%, and thatβs just out of the assa rogues that actually raid heroic, which is already like the top 15%ish, so realistically compared to the entire community youβre batting top 0.03%, which is just insanely good
I understand the feeling of inadequacy even with numbers like that, you can imagine the amount of scrutiny I fall under as a guide writer all the time. I can tell you it literally never stops and you gotta just trust in yourself and stop trying to measure with the measuring sticks other people give you. Like just as an example of my journey, over the course of the last 5 years itβs been:
βheβs not even CE, whatβs he knowβ
βOkay well heβs CE but it was a late CE, he didnβt even parse wellβ
βOkay he was top 25 in mythic but thatβs a fluke, heβs still bad, also he doesnβt m+β
βOkay he was 3k io that season but it was an easy seasonβ
βYeah he got a couple mythic rank 1βs but it wasnβt on anything importantβ
βOkay he got a rank 1 on mythic end boss but heβs not consistentβ
βOh well heβs got good mythic parses and many rank 1βs now and all the CEβs but his guild rank is so low and also he doesnβt do m+
β
is priory hardest key ever?
There's actually a weakaura/macro combo and you don't even need to target the tank, just press tricks
Like there will always ALWAYS be someone to move the goal post
Every time
Thereβs always gonna be that one jackass telling you youβre not good enough
Like these were my Dragonflight mythic all stars
And to me, thatβs really good
oh wow thats brilliant
I had multiple rank 1βs, I was consistently high, itβs undeniably good.
But thereβs people that call me a shitter and like okay I guess
!tricks
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
nothing will ever fucking top necrotic wake
or theatre of pain
in fact
fuck shadowlands in its entirety
Just gotta believe in yourself man
everything thats come out of shadowlands i hate with a seething passion
not even rank 16 whisp
whats this lol
I could rank 1 everything on assa and people would just say Iβm a one trick with no life
thank you Whispyr, really thank you!
you made me feel warmth inside π₯²
its always like school, some bre pulls something out if his ass to feel better, either in game or during RL
true
can you carry me on your journey up there
a 3k mount while ugly would still be nice
i aint gonna lie the 3k mount looks visually worse than the normal mount for dungeoning
i just need 3 13's probably i promise

Iβm so busy lately man
D4 season launch has wrecked me
Multiple all nighters in a row
Well not in a row exactly
But like 3 in a week
Would it kill blizzard to just release their games A LITTLE staggered
forced induc going hard, i like it
Whats important is that you can actually get good REP from the nightfall event now.
Only 11 tho, cos my 12 got deleted
And you can now buy the white versions of the weapons
Forced induction in 11 sounds not very good
Where the hell is sudden demise
Youβre playing FI in a pisslow key and not getting sudden demise to do more than 3.6%?
How is that possible
Uhh well
I guess i wasn't applying that many ruptures as i should've
should we always vanish on low hp mobs?
for huge sudden demise?
I mean forget the ruptures, 1 FI tempest should be carrying lmao
Hell no
if it increases demise damage my answer is always to do it, despite not being optimal.
HELL no
then how sudden demisse going to deal so much? π
Though I don't do serious keys I just do weekly vault keys and my main enjoyment is demisemaxxing
So like
Because heβs got FI, his CTβs are already huge
its like this for me in a 12 ML
You donβt need to vanish for sudden demise
I give bad advice but also, big demise, fun.
Itβs going to naturally just proc
ohh make sense
Idk bro i tempested all the time
It is
Idk why we are playing that in 11s
Bleed fi doesnt get 3% or above sudden demises
Itβs an 11
I just wanted to try it
kek
My reaction exactly
And when me and zeross agree on something you know youβre actually fully fried 
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Me and zeross agreeing is a recession indicator
Canaray in the coal mine type shit
I mean u can play the build in an 11, but again why wouldnt you play bleed there it does more than udk
Like a Minecraft water bucket + a lava source block combining to make obsidian
I just tried it thats all :)
It also sounds mega annoying to play in low keys
But sure i'll try bleed
Yea ofcourse it is
But yeah testing is fine ofc, u gotta do what u gotta do
I think the build is kinda shit to play in general tbh
It already is a headache in high keys i cant imagine how itβd be if mobs die insta
No subterfuge is actually aids
Yah
2x more cursed
Thatβs just double aids
Aids + cancer
Having to ambush first gcd on every pack is just so horrid
And you can lose mark often in that build too
Yeah exactly
So you have to be rly careful
I mean yeah I am not touching it ever cause I do like 4 vault keys per week but atleast it gets the people talking
This season u dont have enh thats doing 1.5m st with 630 ilvl
am i wasting?
So u need alot of st to time keys
or its not really that much accurate?
Thats why the build is needed for higher keys
500 waste on 2400 gen sounds atrocious actually that canβt be real
Link the actual log
Iβm on mobile but Iβll take a peak
yea


trying to improve so i look at whatever log i got
Yeah m+ logs are just impossible to read
Forced induction build if officially canceled!
Too much variance between runs, too much random shit happening depending on the pull, the rotation doesnβt make sense a lot of the time cause youβre holding and mobs are dying and bosses are coming up
The energy waste is probably from out of combat overcap
Like itβs just a shit ton of work to parse all the context properly in hopes of gleaming any pattern
The most you get out of it is like are you sequencing your opener correctly
And you donβt need an m+ log for that you can just log a dummy or some shit
And itβs instantly 5x more readable and clear
i can preform good on dummys but not in dungeons
π¦
More practice then
thats why im looking at my M+ log like noobs
im a dummy 
dont say that
Like if you can do it on a dummy, itβs not a knowledge problem itβs a hesitation/experience problem and it means you literally just gotta run more keys
Maybe it's from shiv macro in the beginning when you are kinda full energy ?
i miss Echoing Reprimand
What
the castable one
im reaching 3k tho how many more i need π
being 3k and being bad
Till you get it together I guess
doesnt make sene
i hate these numbers
3k means youre good But i know im not good
potentially dumb question, do we just use alchemical chaos or do we use a specific flask?
chaos
Chaos
Just from the first pack it took you a full 25 seconds to get your cooldowns out
assa is literally 1 of the best specs for chaos, all stats are good, more stats for all is great
if it was so good why is it called ass
The whole point is that you have cooldowns
tell me that
i wanted to have full rupture garotte on them
then go full cd
is it bad?
Yeah well youβre playing the wrong build for that buddy
we all are subs, thats why
cheers
played so much bleed π¦
cheers
You pressed your CDs when the mob was actually 40% hp already
so is 5 enough?
YUP!
i was like whats the point of using them
anyway i clicked π
Yeah I mean thatβs why bleed exists
π
then when should i CD?
i mean imagine a huge pack
On cd
Yes
But like itβs not even rupture 5 and go cd
Youβre spending 13 seconds on this first pull
going fok env fok env fok env fok env
And just not pressing your CDs
For god knows what reason
π waiting for the tank to pull machine
on whatever target?
even tho there is no prio target?
Lock it in
make sense..
dead enemys are good enemys
i will keep smashin them
i used to use alchemical chaos
i think ie nded up doing more dps with just a crit potion
no pin?
the crit penalty on alchemical chaos is nuts
Pin for what
I already made a meme pin about the bugged ass rotation helper
doom
What more do you want 
more doom
doomposting
you gotta say subtlety is better than sin
until blizz nerfs subtlety
thats how we'll be happy
The only way sub is above sin right now is if your screen is upside down buddy
Australian spec
Assa only top 5 spec not top 3, fuck blizzard dude this game fucking blows what a stupid stupid tuning patch
????
We cannot be fr
KB buff when pretty blizz plz c:
why no chest piece in wowhead?
KB seems like itβs exactly where it needs to be tbh
isnt head the worst stats for assa?
why are we skipping chest
Chest generally but it doesnβt matter
i skipped helm for the crit mast mask
Sure
Or just rock everything like a chad
5 set chad
Most people skip hands
Get whatever you have the highest ilvl of
i dont want to farm another

Who fucking cares
I have crafted helm π
Doesnβt matter for shit
Good one
We ranged DPS now boys
speaking of ranged dps
At least I can then be ranged DPS instead of my usual deranged dps
i was fucking mindblown when i learned like 80% of a ret pallies damaging spells is ranged
they dont have to be in melee range
ret is a fuckin caster now bois
lowkey cooked on rik and stix
Itβs ret pala fantasy to stand 20 yards away and do full damage, be invincible, and still suck
honestly tho
we need to buff rogue survivability
i take so much damage from shit coming out
unavoidable damage too
even feint dont help that much
wdym
granted its also a healer issue
Assa survivability* 
but damn rogues take big damage
Outlaw and sub are like 15-20% tankier 
so yeah, rogue survivability
like cloak of skill and evasion is great
Assa squishy as shit
but the general survivability is shit
I have that written down in my article but its 3200 words into the thing so I donβt think people will read it when it comes out 
Subβs way tankier
Stacking 30% vers on assa for m+
But yea outlaw is kinda unkillable too on rot dmg
Or else im dead
i have like 3% vers

I ve like 22
I play 20%, 30% might be high but will see if i can fit more

Tbh I wish I played a spec that had a use for verse
Every time Iβve simmed it vers is just hyper doo doo 
based zeross
All sub builds are the same
Sub has 1 talent setup
@spice surge i may need the burst darkbrew build
For last boss rookery
Did u cook that yet
Ye like 2 months ago 
hello guys , does anyone got a link to the " hybrid" build please ?
Keeping in mind all my out of cds dmg is completely irrelevant
Can u link it
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Ty
i wanna try KB in M+
Death stalker sub poggers
Yes
But you have slightly too much cdr so youll be at 2 stacks of both symbols and dance when flag has like 5s left
Which is kinda cringe
But it is what is
Iβll have to try it on an 18 ig since i have it resilient now
do we know if the new horrific Visions wil be cross faction?
Was talking to someone about junk and brought this up again
Itβs so fucking funny
This is art
Imagine if this build could take a talent in the bottom row instead of needing perforated veins (worth 0.2%) for pathing 
Just like you
I have PTSD of this boss progress
I havenβt even started on dick reverberations yet
Think cauldron was 1 night and 25 attempts or so
nice spare xd
Btw, low keys are they 12 and under or 14 and under?
There is no set standard
Someone could consider a 10 a high key
and some a very low key
It's all in people opinions and what keys they do
For you yea
low is bellow me, high no-lifer key is above me
so 11 and bellow is low and 14up is high

and if you play on their levels you are stinky
So is it okay to miss 30 seconds of priory uptime just to line it up with death mark everytime?
should i still play KB build in +16 or bleed
In some keys bleed is troll to play
brew?
you heard it from the Rank 1 himself
ty
Brew is the only dungeon where master assassin+subterfuge is decent
On higher keys that is
Zeross im asking because someone last night just told me to send it with death mark evryttime. New to the spec
not true rn
In priory u want to send 2 mins on 1st mini boss, kingsbane on 2nd, deathmark on the pull after
Then save deathmark for boss
No priory trinket
So ur gonna send deathmark only 2 times
Trinket
Before 1st boss
would be true without killing spree, but i cannot play elus with killing spree
you either int your defensives or int the key
have to chose
macro it to DM, and forget about it
I just woke up i dont want to think
Okay ty
U can save house of cards for 2nd miniboss in priory
Hold 30 seconds for kingsbane
But thats only on a +18 maybe
is this just some free tech ur throwing
or u just continuing on with the Priory talk instead of the trinket
Yea well its only a high key priory thing

So ur gonna send
Kingsbane+house of cards on 2nd miniboss boss
Dm+kingsbane+house of cards on 1st miniboss
3rd pull dm+kingsbane+houseofcards
Good luck getting into a 18-19 priory run to need to do that tho
Also if 1st miniboss dies too fast u just hold house of cards for ur deathmark as usual
you had coffee yet bro?
ok somehow hybrid build does less dmg
I guess it depends where you use it
Hey! I'm frustrated now. Why does Carnage only applies to 2 additional mobs? Useage is pretty limited and the "smart" aspect of it is pretty much not smart. Why can't we have at least rupture work like sub's?
Yea and it's still annoying me
and the smart part is = it applies to non garrotted/ruptured target outside of your main target
so if you min max, you can get 6 garrotes and 6 ruptures in 2 casts each
I swear I feel sometimes it refreshes on some random mob instead of on one that does not have it
What's the exact range btw?
negative
it doest work like that
It prioritizes non bleeding targets first
Range? no idea, usually everything is packed up
Need my last 12 key TOP, wondering if i should run bleed with FI or hybrid with FI
Ye ok
What is this bleed with FI thing? π That sounds crazy
Well FI more st, and TOP is more ST based no?
Probably builds that Zeross uses in +17 or up
So just makes sense or am i dead wrong?
Thats hybrid in FI though
Not bleed
So FI with bleed is just a bad combo
Well idk it seems to make no sense, the whole thing iwth the ST build is to have all your dam from enven/spatter etc
So bleed with FI sounds strange
Yeah true
And I'd not seen it hence asking about it haha
But seriously dw about it until much higher keys just play bleed 
It works out as less overall unless you are pulling huge with big prio target
And the ST gain like its just not necessary until much higher keys
And its much harder to play optimally, requires more uptime etc etc
So its probably not worth but you do you king or queen or kwing
I mean i tried it, doesn't feel that hard
Ya ofc, its just





