#assassination

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compact moth
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when playing bleed build in m+ where should i be ripping priory

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or is it just a cd send

runic hinge
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Send with dm

stable cove
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the moment i take off iron wire

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pugs deplete

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its insa

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ne

polar rampart
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it is good to carry low pugs

stable cove
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is trickster no good for sin?

coral ibex
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lemme know if you can equip trickster as sin

crude helm
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So real

stable cove
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the other one

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fatebound

buoyant herald
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it can go ok in pure ST

coral ibex
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its a 50/50 if you get the capstone in your opener

buoyant herald
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emphasis on CAN lol

coral ibex
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you have to match the coin flip on your first rupture and envenom

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if you dont, gg

buoyant herald
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i tried it a couple of times on sprocket and gave up

brave comet
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so since some of our attacks do get parried when we're in a raid should i make a concerted effort to hit bosses from behind?

rotund oak
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if its possible yes

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although dont lose your mind over it

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its not classic

brave comet
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so its not a considerable dps loss?

rotund oak
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im not aware how much of a loss it is

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but it shouldnt be much

brave comet
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it's kinda difficult to stay behind something most of the time, i always hated "backstab" mechanics in games

rotund oak
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stab on the back was a rogue thing many years ago

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u can stab from everywhere now

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could actually sim yourself and see what % of your atks got parried

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idk how u sim a loss though

brave comet
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i would love to be able to do that, so if someone knows how plz let us know

static glacier
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Find weakness

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Is still a stab from the back thing outside of dance for sub

prisma monolithBOT
wide sleet
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Question for mug zee mythic. Do assa just not want jail? Or does everyone need to jail once?

prisma coral
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are you a void elf?

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and what month is it?

limpid lava
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guys do i need macro for shadowmeld or it doesnt work as vanish ?

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just changed my race to night elf

prisma coral
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I havnt played a nightelf in almost a legit life time but if I remember don't you need to restealth after shadow meld? it's sort of a jank vanish due to that

limpid lava
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yea i macred shadowmeld with stealth but some times doesnt work

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actually most of the times

drifting cloud
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yup thats just how meld performs

prisma coral
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glad my memory wasnt too far off base

runic hinge
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Doesn’t work on bosses or like idk randomly otherwise

violet plaza
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How the heck can I not do tank dmg with bleed build st (no funnel adds :C) I feel like im playing with my feet.... with poor luck sometimes im doing like 1.2/1.3 and im just starved to fuck of energy barely maintaing bleeds..

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boss's with dam amps are gravy, I just send cds and rocket up the meters but fg 3rd + last.. help

balmy condor
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blindside + zoldyck is a hell of a thing

buoyant herald
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1.2/1.3 on FG 3rd boss is pretty low if you're anywhere near 670

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thats kujo damage

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but yeah there's kinda two answers, one is "there's a very low cap for how good you can be" and the other is "keep practising until you get there" lol

violet plaza
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I honestly feel like I could walk away for 30s and still not have 150 energy by the time I get back

buoyant herald
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true

prisma coral
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wild thing, the energy is good compared to a lot of the past

violet plaza
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I'm just spinning bleeds, i've tried not maintain crimson and just spinning rup/gar but evenom is dogwater without the supporting talents lmao

prisma coral
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i can't agree with Spark more though

violet plaza
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I'm only just pushing into 15s but I feel like a fucking anchor on some boss's ngl

buoyant herald
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bosses at 14-15 should live long enough that you'll always be able to save a DM for execute

prisma coral
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the real dispair is playing as well as you can and as fucking greasy as you can and still being like wtf. you just find zen at that point.

balmy condor
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even more wild is that playing bleed is more button presses than hybrid

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so it should feel faster

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cause blindside alone is like legit 5 apm

spice spire
balmy condor
spice spire
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Keep sassing and I’ll show you my gelatin

golden loom
prisma coral
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comcast once refused to talk to me becuase they recorded my name as Last > middle becuase I guess they have never looked at an ID before

balmy condor
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it's not like you're afk at 300 energy just dick in hand watching your energy melt away

golden loom
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Ye I guess

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Idk im still a slammer so what do I know garf_sit

violet plaza
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Do we play around sang in st?

mental atlas
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is there a smart way to automate setting your deathmark target as focus target?

buoyant herald
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bro me too

violet plaza
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Maybe thats my problem lmao

balmy condor
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being above 50% and just letting bleeds deal additional damage is a very small gain

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but when most dumbfucks hear that they just full afk if their energy every drops below 150

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which is just not how that works lmao

golden loom
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Yeah I mean you cant

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Cause you gotta refresh bleeds which then eventually leads to DN which you have to slam asap

red schooner
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Doesn't lead to DN if you never apply the mark. I'm sanguinemaxxing

prisma coral
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there is no situation where if I am at 100 energy and 6 adds appear that I am not dotting them

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i cant imagine being like "follow the rules"

balmy condor
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what

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of course you would dot them

red schooner
prisma coral
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yeah kind of a dumb statment

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i read half that and was like what

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dont mind me

slow helm
balmy condor
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I mean you can if you'd like I guess

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who am I to judge a dedicated gooner

slow helm
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Never said it was mine.

balmy condor
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based tbh

cinder steppe
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is it possible that crit flask is simming better than alchemical chaos or its just sim bait?

balmy condor
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that would definitely be something

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idk if it's "simbait", the sim is accurate

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but that would be unheard of

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can you link the sim

cinder steppe
balmy condor
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the advanced sim doesn't have the raid buffs enabled

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pretty sure

vale marten
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2.9 mil for a single target 6 min fight? im missing somethig obvious

cinder steppe
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its dungeon slice

balmy condor
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yeah you're missing that it's not single target lmao

vale marten
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says 1 boss target

balmy condor
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yes

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dungeonslice has 1 boss target

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rest assured it's dungeonslice

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anyway

vale marten
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ooh i see, i was like wtf is happening

balmy condor
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and so crit is really valuable

cinder steppe
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ohhh okay

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but yeah the difference its not like really crazy, was just a curious thing since i've been seeing zeross lately and he is using the crit flask in keys

balmy condor
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sure

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I mean if it's better for you it's better

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but that's why it's better

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you have like 9300 haste on that gear set and not even 7000 crit

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which is just insanity

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especially in m+, crit has a lot of value for like fok cp and all that

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and it's nearly your worst stat

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the less of a stat you have, the better it is in comparison to other stats

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so you simming consumables gives it an opportunity to get as much crit as it can

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the top gear you linked is doing the same thing

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its just begging you to get more crit

cinder steppe
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Ohh okay okay, understood, really appreciate for taking the time to explain:D

worthy rose
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how do you survive with less than 7000 crit

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im at like 15k

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crit and mastery is what you wanna prioritize but all stats are relatively good stats

astral current
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i guess devs decided that last change to KB is hella big buff for assa and they wont touch it for 2 more months?

balmy condor
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what

astral current
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sry i just woke up and cant get my shit together

stiff badger
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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what even could they do about assa lmao it's a top performing spec in literally every aspect

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0 reason to be upset and we're still getting upset

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crazy work

astral current
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i just want more burst damage

balmy condor
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more than we currently already have?

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we're already pretty bursty

golden loom
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Assa is lucky to escape nerfs while sub is drowning in the pool

astral current
balmy condor
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I mean fair enough I guess

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I think you're insane for that

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but such is the way of opinions I guess

astral current
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im just envy of my friends doing like 3m dps mid-fight in raids and me doing pretty much less

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also even my friend's fresh fdk with pretty mid-gear sims almost the same as me on execute patchwerk

golden loom
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Comparing sims between specs is very useless

balmy condor
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yeah might as well compare earlobe sizes

astral current
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xd

last moth
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What trinket do you prefer ? Eye of kezan or the one from Floodgate ?

balmy condor
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in what situation

last moth
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M+ and myth Raid

burnt juniper
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where the true dooming is taking place

worthy rose
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@balmy condor is it worth racial changing from human to blood elf

burnt juniper
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(for good reason)

worthy rose
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is the blood elf racial superior or inferior to human racial

balmy condor
# last moth M+ and myth Raid

okay well eye of kezan is really good on like the last 3 raid bosses in mythic cause the fight lasts really long, but otherwise probably pacemaker

worthy rose
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actually damn the human racial is way better than the blood elf racial

burnt juniper
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sub at the bottom of the charts and the only spec not buffed 2 tuning passes in a row πŸ™‚

balmy condor
worthy rose
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it does

astral current
balmy condor
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then sounds like its worth it

worthy rose
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and helps me get closer to my bae valeera

last moth
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I love my Void elf

worthy rose
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but i cant justify it if its worse racials

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blood elf racial for rogues is basically only +1% crit

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but human racial is +2% everything

balmy condor
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you can't justify playing what you want to because of a 0.1% dps difference?

worthy rose
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which far exceeds the blood elf

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human isnt that bad tbh

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just massive hips

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for whatever reason

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i dont like my girls thicc if u kno what i mean

balmy condor
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can't relate

thick forge
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Why ppl complaining about assa when it performs hella good on m+ and raid

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XD

royal lantern
balmy condor
worthy rose
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yeah i do

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but actually

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what about voidl elf

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the entropic 5% buff seems strong

balmy condor
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they're all fine

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all of them are fine

astral current
royal lantern
astral current
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that's why im kinda sad

worthy rose
balmy condor
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they're all fine

worthy rose
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then other people can complain about the people complaining about complaining

balmy condor
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you gotta squint

red schooner
balmy condor
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to see a diff

royal lantern
keen tundra
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thiis new foirced induction no garrote build feels hella clunky in m+

balmy condor
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then don't play it

last moth
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All Specs are easy playable, But the Community is to much on Meta classes what is S Tier …

worthy rose
balmy condor
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I doubt you play at a level where it's good

worthy rose
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theres such a huge gap between human and blood elf

balmy condor
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I'm gonna kms

worthy rose
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who made orcs so op

keen tundra
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what key level would u say its good

worthy rose
thick forge
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Yeaaa i see that xD but 4real assa single is amazing and on m+ bleed build is amazing toping most overalls

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After this DK nerfs assa i Think would contest DK easly dps wise

worthy rose
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it just isnt a day unless we trigger whispy somehow

balmy condor
keen tundra
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bleed/hybrid till 17?

royal lantern
# balmy condor

and to add to that

there are multipe races that share their effect and have different spots, which makes it even more of a meme lol

red schooner
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But i need to maximise my potential in my weekly 10 keys

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clearly

balmy condor
lyric stirrup
balmy condor
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it has

worthy rose
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to be fair

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its just all a skill issue

balmy condor
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might not be the most optimal in 18's

worthy rose
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just bleed your way to +20

balmy condor
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but it is good

lyric stirrup
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agree

worthy rose
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everything in wow can be answered by skill issue

golden loom
# balmy condor

Undead is last and thats only cause they dont have as cool animations as they used to πŸ’―

worthy rose
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we all gotta just git gud

keen tundra
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bleed is most fun w master assasin vanish shiv crimson tempest sub 35% on mobs, shit feels awesome

worthy rose
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do undead still eat dead bodies to get healing back

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that used to be op as fuck in pvp

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human racial was also op as fuck in pvp

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coz you could run a pve bis trinket

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and absoluttely dickslap people in arena

worthy rose
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shame they fucking nerfbatted the shit out of the human racial

red schooner
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yeah but i play troll so i'm regenerating 5hp per second.

and there's nothing you can do about it garf

worthy rose
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absolute dogshit now

humble ginkgo
# balmy condor

Dude u need to play maghar or else you wont time that 12 or get a 99 parse

golden loom
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I mean idk stun break is actually nice

balmy condor
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if you ask me, nelf is next on the chopping block

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meld has been stupid far too many times

keen tundra
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@balmy condor do u have any tips for bleed in st on m+. i know it has bad boss dam but anything important other then maintaining sanguine

worthy rose
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shadowmeld seems still as opas it used to be

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back form what i remember

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how did blizzard not nerf the fuck out of that

balmy condor
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it's only a matter of time before meld gets obliterated

worthy rose
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but they nerfbatted the shit out of humans

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i call this racist

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this is clearly an act of racism

red schooner
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like, tiny.

golden loom
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Like I do use human racial quite a lot, fail to dodge a coin on bandit cause noob? Just racial the 8 sec stun

red schooner
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just keep bleeds up, hit boss, works fine

sharp lily
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
worthy rose
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what is afenar

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@balmy condor just to double check ur plater right

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yellow means its kickable

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what do all the colors mean

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oh wait theres a summary in the link

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nevermind

balmy condor
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yeah the summary should be correct

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maybe the mark color is oudated

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cause I made it white

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the rest should be accurate

worthy rose
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πŸ’€ i didnt read athe summary since getting it from you yesterday

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today all my dungeons i have not kicked a single orange

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ive only been kicking yellows

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LOL

balmy condor
worthy rose
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no wonder i had a dk that kept dying coz i wasnt kicking important stuff

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sounds like it was a DK skill issue

balmy condor
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I mean to be fair, you just kinda know what to kick after running it a couple times

worthy rose
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i just look at colors to kick tbh

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i dont see what im kicking

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or dbm tells me to kick and i kick

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ezpz

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braindead gameplay

balmy condor
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probably not the best thing to be getting used to

worthy rose
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if i can get to 3k sooner or later

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il keep doin it

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:pepelaugh:

astral current
worthy rose
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LOL

worthy rose
astral current
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and sometimes it ends like he's the only one who's kicking casts if there're not a lot of mobs

worthy rose
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as long as im with everyone i can rat my way to achievements

worthy rose
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rogues dont get anything out of kicks as far as i know

red schooner
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its important

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for my ego

worthy rose
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surely you want it as low as possible

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and your dps as high as possible

red schooner
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but what if

worthy rose
red schooner
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both

worthy rose
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fair

red schooner
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gotta top everything, damage done, interrupts, damage taken because fuck healers

radiant raven
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don't forget deaths

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top damage done, damage taken, deaths, healing, healing taken, interrupts

worthy rose
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i got nothing to do for the rest of the week to reset

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and its only halfway through the week until reset

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sadge

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got my 8 vault slots

red schooner
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i mean if your cheat death cooldown doesn't have 100% uptime are you even playing the game?

worthy rose
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capped on gilded

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nothing to do

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what do u guys do when ur in content drought

radiant raven
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pet battles

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pet battles

red schooner
worthy rose
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are you a pokemon master

radiant raven
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no I sit on a rock all day

flint star
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Should I use tea with so called dry shiv? Is it better than using it on the next KB?

worthy rose
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i wanna race change to blood elf to complete the valeera look

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but then id have to deal with going to orgrimmar all the time

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which is not ideal stormwind > org

burnt juniper
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and then you only ever have 1 week of content drought every season

worthy rose
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i got to +12 everything and sitting at 2950 atm

maiden sierra
worthy rose
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am bad

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but as i said

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i dont aim to be the best rogue

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just the above average rogue

maiden sierra
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If youre not raid logging at week 2 or the season, are you really a gamer?

worthy rose
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i will rat my way to achievements peperogue

worthy rose
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literally me

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dont check my logs

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they wont be good

maiden sierra
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I wont if you dont look at mine

worthy rose
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🀝

maiden sierra
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Cant wait to kill mythic bandit tommorow and get a legendary parse (gray)

worthy rose
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remember to ninja loot the house of cards

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actually jokes youre subtlety

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you NEED need that trinket

maiden sierra
maiden sierra
worthy rose
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are you priority on the hoc

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oh

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ggwp

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youre gonna get shafted on hoc

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LOL

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do you hvae mythic signet?

maiden sierra
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I have heroic signet, but its quite bad for sub

worthy rose
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ive only just realized now that hwen i have a dps race against my friends

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when i use signet

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it actually benefits them

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signet is the team player trinket

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if you wanna be an asshole use hoc

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oh yeah signet is really bad for sub

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according to sims the pvp trinket is better for sub πŸ’€

maiden sierra
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Heroic transmitter from last season outdps's heroic signet on sub OMEGAKEKW

worthy rose
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prized aspirant even

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not even the gladiator one

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yep

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im 10/10 mindblown

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sit in some bg';s afk

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and get the prized aspirant trinket

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LOL

maiden sierra
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Still no house of cards catgasp

worthy rose
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apparently this is the one

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i got a champion house of cards

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you know when i say be an asshole

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i took it literally that day in the dungeon

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be me
play assassination

not win anything i need in the duration of the run

clears oab on normal mode coz its easy

hoc drops and everyone rolls on it
be me, be an asshole
win the roll

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everyone was livid

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"BRO YOU ALREADY HAVE A MYTHIC SIGNET"

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be one with your inner asshole

maiden sierra
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This is why mythic guilds have loot councils garf

worthy rose
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theres like a million other specs that actually need mythic hoc over a sin rogue tbh

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wouldnt blame a loot council for distributing that shit appropriately

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its the spymaster of this season basically

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pretty much everyone needs it

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if anything its even more in demanda than spymaster was last season

maiden sierra
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Cant even be an asshole

near valley
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that's lowkey supervillain behavior and i'm here for it

astral current
maiden sierra
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Dinars will give everyone their house of cards

worthy rose
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i swear to god today in a motherlode 10 run

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this one tank just tanked the boss in the missile barrage every time and thought he was doing a good job

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then his mage duo was saying he was doing a good job when he gets half the team killed becuase of the missile barrage

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the amount of shittalking i did pepelafington

royal lantern
astral current
worthy rose
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tbh normal raids and lfr is fair game for being a supervillain

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but i think heroic and mythic you gotta think about ur team

royal lantern
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if you give a mythic HoC to a assa rogue

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actually demonic lol

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like, thats a gquit moment dracthyr_kek

worthy rose
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youd actually create like at least 10 supervillains

royal lantern
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there are a bazillion specs where it has so much more value for everyone lmao

worthy rose
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for sin thats 0.02% difference

red schooner
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Some may say that popping evasion on last boss on priory and going full demise mode on the adds is padding

worthy rose
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literally margin of error on this sim

red schooner
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I call those people weak

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I save vanish for that shit kekdog

worthy rose
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no

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what you do is trricks of the trade your friend

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then pop sprint and evasion

red schooner
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i run blackjack

worthy rose
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and start fok'ing the ads

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then they all run to your friend

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and oneshot them

red schooner
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those adds don't have aggro really I don't think

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they just swarm

astral current
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well our RL made us supervillains already by giving out items to 2 girls before anyone else cuz he's fucking simp

spice surge
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Gotta use HoC so you can use autumn from hpaladins ez

spice surge
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(i havent gotten autumn even once)

red schooner
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I got it week 1 normal mode clear

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Which then ruled me out of ever getting it on heroic

astral current
spice surge
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I mean its only 7 ilvls, and for the most part you wouldnt upgrade it until later anyway

worthy rose
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disgusting

astral current
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so i guess he's aint getting laid

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even with the wife

spice surge
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HC and Normal being the exact same for most of the tier garf

red schooner
worthy rose
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back in the wotlk day the first time i ever chimped out over something in WoW i still vividly remember

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i was playing rogue back then

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do you guys remember the dagger sinister revenge

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from KT

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long story short my guild was a small guild and we only did 10man raids, but then we joined a bigger guild's run on a 25man nax and then the bis dagger sinister revenge dropped

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i was rolling and i should have got it

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but some fuckwit hunter rolled

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and was going to get it

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but like why tf does a hunter need the dagger

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"just agility bro its good i can use it"

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i fully chimped out coz it was best in slot for rogues

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and the guild lead i had at the time was a lil bitch

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and said yeah we should give it to the bigger guild's hunter coz we were invited to the run

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and im like excuse me the fuck

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and the hunter didnt even have an offhand to use it with

red schooner
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every single one

worthy rose
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i raged and chimped out so hard like only a 10 year old could

red schooner
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fuck 'em

worthy rose
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10/10 crashout moment

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i still remember it so vividly

astral current
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aight guys i need to comfort my ego
am i good sin? feelscryman

worthy rose
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fuck altar of storms that server

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and fuck the guild anno domini and also dominion

astral current
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*that's damage to boss logs

worthy rose
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chad tier gameplay

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u the type of rogue i can only aspire to be

golden loom
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213 kills wat

worthy rose
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does bro just run nonstop raids even when u dont get loot

astral current
golden loom
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Im so confused

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Do you do like 10 clears per day on the same char wtf

analog field
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is this messing with the css of the site?

analog field
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and writing w/e you want xd

astral current
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that's like from the start of the season

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we were something like 1st or 2nd on realm who cleared everything till 6th boss on HC

astral current
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xd

golden loom
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But like you have multiple clears of the same bosses during same reset

red schooner
astral current
balmy condor
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Top 10 β€œam I gud”

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Crazy work

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Number speaks for itself no?

golden loom
royal lantern
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actually insane how ussules tricks is

red schooner
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I just run blackjack because I like to pretend that I have utility

royal lantern
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i mean, tanks wont complain about blackjack

red schooner
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And iron wire cuts into my ability to bleed

worthy rose
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are you saying i should just not use tricks of the trade

royal lantern
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its basically a pain sup for the tank

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cus most add dmg is auto hits anyway

worthy rose
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alright bet i can take one more thing out of my action bars

astral current
royal lantern
astral current
worthy rose
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hmm

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what would you talent it into

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i do it to help tanks during mythic dung runs

royal lantern
#

blackjack?

worthy rose
#

but i guess in raids its absolutely useless

balmy condor
royal lantern
#

tricks doesnt help the tank lol

red schooner
#

ye just go blackjack

balmy condor
#

I know how hard that must be

worthy rose
#

it does hwen my friend is firs ttime tank

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LOL

#

we all pull aggro somehow

royal lantern
#

no it doesnt

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you dont bild aggro as assa

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sub resets aggro in shadowdance

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outtlaw has no burst for aggro

worthy rose
#

@balmy condor can i get a legit check

#

should i talent out of tricks

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and never use it

red schooner
#

wow

royal lantern
#

the only usage for tricks is really if you run ahead and pull stuff for the tank in a coordinated group lol

worthy rose
#

i must rub the based whispy for an answer

royal lantern
#

rubbing whisps πŸ† like a Lamp for a wish

astral current
worthy rose
#

based whispy didnt answer

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i am sad

golden loom
#

Yeah just rank 1 parse every pull or noob

royal lantern
golden loom
#

If you are 2 of the same spec in the same kill kick rank 2

astral current
royal lantern
red schooner
worthy rose
#

certified yap god

golden loom
#

Also if you are doing heroic carries why does someone care about how people parse there OMEGAKEKW

#

Fried

balmy condor
# worthy rose should i talent out of tricks

I mean tricks has uses if your tank is shit or whatever but blackjack good

Like tryan and people said, assa makes basically 0 aggro in opener cause it’s just ramping

Tricks does have a use for like chain pulls and stuff where you got a tank that’s grabbing more mobs but not actually hitting them, happens a lot with shit tanks cause they just assume aggro is infinite, and then your caustic just snaps them to you.

For most people, tricks is probably overrated and you’ll get more saves out of blackjack and just making sure you keep an eye on any stragglers

golden loom
#

Also assa doesnt even have access to 1 hour tricks so u actually have to press it if you are gonna use it

astral current
#

does narcos: mexico s3 worth to watch?

#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
worthy rose
#

all the narcos shows were worth watching

worthy rose
#

same one as my kick

golden loom
#

Yeah the fuu sheet will tell you if its worth watching

worthy rose
#

works gud

astral current
worthy rose
#

think so yeah

#

been a while since i seen it

astral current
#

aight, gonna check it out
thanks!

balmy condor
# astral current im not trying to be egoistic or something, im sorry if i really made it look lik...

Yeah I mean it’s a little weird to be like top 10, top 30, out of 15-16k. I know I was being a bit hyperbolic but top 30 is legit top 0.2%, and that’s just out of the assa rogues that actually raid heroic, which is already like the top 15%ish, so realistically compared to the entire community you’re batting top 0.03%, which is just insanely good

I understand the feeling of inadequacy even with numbers like that, you can imagine the amount of scrutiny I fall under as a guide writer all the time. I can tell you it literally never stops and you gotta just trust in yourself and stop trying to measure with the measuring sticks other people give you. Like just as an example of my journey, over the course of the last 5 years it’s been:
β€œhe’s not even CE, what’s he know”
β€œOkay well he’s CE but it was a late CE, he didn’t even parse well”
β€œOkay he was top 25 in mythic but that’s a fluke, he’s still bad, also he doesn’t m+”
β€œOkay he was 3k io that season but it was an easy season”
β€œYeah he got a couple mythic rank 1’s but it wasn’t on anything important”
β€œOkay he got a rank 1 on mythic end boss but he’s not consistent”
β€œOh well he’s got good mythic parses and many rank 1’s now and all the CE’s but his guild rank is so low and also he doesn’t do m+ garf_sit”

clever sparrow
#

is priory hardest key ever?

primal mural
balmy condor
#

Like there will always ALWAYS be someone to move the goal post

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Every time

#

There’s always gonna be that one jackass telling you you’re not good enough

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Like these were my Dragonflight mythic all stars

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And to me, that’s really good

balmy condor
#

I had multiple rank 1’s, I was consistently high, it’s undeniably good.

#

But there’s people that call me a shitter and like okay I guess

red schooner
prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
worthy rose
#

nothing will ever fucking top necrotic wake

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or theatre of pain

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in fact

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fuck shadowlands in its entirety

balmy condor
#

Just gotta believe in yourself man

worthy rose
#

everything thats come out of shadowlands i hate with a seething passion

shy axle
#

not even rank 16 whisp

shy axle
#

disgrace

balmy condor
#

I could rank 1 everything on assa and people would just say I’m a one trick with no life

astral current
shy axle
#

its always like school, some bre pulls something out if his ass to feel better, either in game or during RL

#

true

worthy rose
#

a 3k mount while ugly would still be nice

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i aint gonna lie the 3k mount looks visually worse than the normal mount for dungeoning

#

i just need 3 13's probably i promise

balmy condor
#

I’m so busy lately man

#

D4 season launch has wrecked me

#

Multiple all nighters in a row

#

Well not in a row exactly

#

But like 3 in a week

#

Would it kill blizzard to just release their games A LITTLE staggered

golden loom
#

You mean their 9 wow versions and other games

vivid mulch
#

forced induc going hard, i like it

normal mist
#

Whats important is that you can actually get good REP from the nightfall event now.

vivid mulch
#

Only 11 tho, cos my 12 got deleted

normal mist
#

And you can now buy the white versions of the weapons

golden loom
#

Forced induction in 11 sounds not very good

balmy condor
#

You’re playing FI in a pisslow key and not getting sudden demise to do more than 3.6%?

#

How is that possible

vivid mulch
#

I guess i wasn't applying that many ruptures as i should've

clever sparrow
#

for huge sudden demise?

balmy condor
#

I mean forget the ruptures, 1 FI tempest should be carrying lmao

balmy condor
red schooner
balmy condor
clever sparrow
red schooner
#

Though I don't do serious keys I just do weekly vault keys and my main enjoyment is demisemaxxing

#

So like

balmy condor
#

Because he’s got FI, his CT’s are already huge

clever sparrow
#

its like this for me in a 12 ML

balmy condor
#

You don’t need to vanish for sudden demise

red schooner
#

I give bad advice but also, big demise, fun.

balmy condor
#

It’s going to naturally just proc

clever sparrow
golden loom
#

I assume this is the zeroess FI build

#

And not bleed FI

balmy condor
#

I mean based on that caustic dam, likely

#

Idk

#

Brainrot

vivid mulch
#

Idk bro i tempested all the time

vivid mulch
balmy condor
#

That’s my cue to sleep man

golden loom
#

Idk why we are playing that in 11s

winged sun
#

Bleed fi doesnt get 3% or above sudden demises

balmy condor
vivid mulch
#

I just wanted to try it

winged sun
#

11

vivid mulch
balmy condor
#

My reaction exactly

#

And when me and zeross agree on something you know you’re actually fully fried OMEGALUL

clever sparrow
#

What was the site to put log in it

#

amm

#

!log

prisma monolithBOT
#

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

clever sparrow
#

?

#

yep

balmy condor
#

Me and zeross agreeing is a recession indicator

spice surge
#

Canaray in the coal mine type shit

winged sun
#

I mean u can play the build in an 11, but again why wouldnt you play bleed there it does more than udk

balmy condor
#

Like a Minecraft water bucket + a lava source block combining to make obsidian

golden loom
vivid mulch
#

But sure i'll try bleed

winged sun
golden loom
#

But yeah testing is fine ofc, u gotta do what u gotta do

balmy condor
#

I think the build is kinda shit to play in general tbh

winged sun
#

It already is a headache in high keys i cant imagine how it’d be if mobs die insta

balmy condor
#

No subterfuge is actually aids

winged sun
#

This is worse whispyr

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No garrote

balmy condor
#

Yah

winged sun
#

2x more cursed

balmy condor
#

That’s just double aids

#

Aids + cancer

#

Having to ambush first gcd on every pack is just so horrid

winged sun
#

And you can lose mark often in that build too

balmy condor
#

Yeah exactly

winged sun
#

So you have to be rly careful

golden loom
#

I mean yeah I am not touching it ever cause I do like 4 vault keys per week but atleast it gets the people talking

winged sun
#

This season u dont have enh thats doing 1.5m st with 630 ilvl

clever sparrow
#

am i wasting?

winged sun
#

So u need alot of st to time keys

clever sparrow
#

or its not really that much accurate?

winged sun
#

Thats why the build is needed for higher keys

balmy condor
#

Link the actual log

#

I’m on mobile but I’ll take a peak

balmy condor
#

Oh m+ log

#

Doomed

clever sparrow
#

yea

balmy condor
golden loom
clever sparrow
#

trying to improve so i look at whatever log i got

balmy condor
#

Yeah m+ logs are just impossible to read

keen tundra
#

Forced induction build if officially canceled!

balmy condor
#

Too much variance between runs, too much random shit happening depending on the pull, the rotation doesn’t make sense a lot of the time cause you’re holding and mobs are dying and bosses are coming up

#

The energy waste is probably from out of combat overcap

#

Like it’s just a shit ton of work to parse all the context properly in hopes of gleaming any pattern

#

The most you get out of it is like are you sequencing your opener correctly

#

And you don’t need an m+ log for that you can just log a dummy or some shit

#

And it’s instantly 5x more readable and clear

clever sparrow
#

😦

balmy condor
#

More practice then

clever sparrow
#

thats why im looking at my M+ log like noobs

royal lantern
#

im a dummy peepohappy

clever sparrow
balmy condor
#

Like if you can do it on a dummy, it’s not a knowledge problem it’s a hesitation/experience problem and it means you literally just gotta run more keys

analog field
#

Maybe it's from shiv macro in the beginning when you are kinda full energy ?

clever sparrow
#

i miss Echoing Reprimand

balmy condor
#

What

clever sparrow
#

the castable one

clever sparrow
#

being 3k and being bad

balmy condor
#

Till you get it together I guess

clever sparrow
#

doesnt make sene

#

i hate these numbers

#

3k means youre good But i know im not good

old lily
#

potentially dumb question, do we just use alchemical chaos or do we use a specific flask?

royal lantern
#

chaos

balmy condor
#

Just from the first pack it took you a full 25 seconds to get your cooldowns out

royal lantern
#

assa is literally 1 of the best specs for chaos, all stats are good, more stats for all is great

balmy condor
#

That seems pretty bad

#

You’re playing hybrid

worthy rose
#

if it was so good why is it called ass

balmy condor
#

The whole point is that you have cooldowns

worthy rose
#

tell me that

clever sparrow
#

then go full cd

#

is it bad?

balmy condor
#

Yeah well you’re playing the wrong build for that buddy

royal lantern
old lily
clever sparrow
old lily
balmy condor
#

You pressed your CDs when the mob was actually 40% hp already

clever sparrow
#

so is 5 enough?

balmy condor
#

Mob is dead lmao

#

Holding CDs for the next dungeon at that point

clever sparrow
#

i was like whats the point of using them

#

anyway i clicked πŸ˜„

balmy condor
#

Yeah I mean that’s why bleed exists

clever sparrow
#

then when should i CD?

#

i mean imagine a huge pack

balmy condor
#

On cd

clever sparrow
#

just rupture 5 ?

#

and go cd?

balmy condor
#

Yes

clever sparrow
#

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

#

and smash envenom?

balmy condor
#

But like it’s not even rupture 5 and go cd

#

You’re spending 13 seconds on this first pull

#

going fok env fok env fok env fok env

#

And just not pressing your CDs

#

For god knows what reason

clever sparrow
balmy condor
#

You just gotta slam them

#

Bro

#

Stop fucking waiting

clever sparrow
balmy condor
#

Waiting 40 seconds to use a 1 min cd

#

Get it together bro

clever sparrow
#

even tho there is no prio target?

balmy condor
#

Lock it in

clever sparrow
royal lantern
clever sparrow
#

i will keep smashin them

royal lantern
#

doesnt matter which one

#

just kill something

clever sparrow
#

i will try

worthy rose
#

i think ie nded up doing more dps with just a crit potion

clever sparrow
#

smashing CDS

#

faster

hearty reef
#

no pin?

worthy rose
#

the crit penalty on alchemical chaos is nuts

balmy condor
#

I already made a meme pin about the bugged ass rotation helper

hearty reef
#

doom

balmy condor
#

What more do you want peepoHands

hearty reef
#

more doom

balmy condor
#

Doom about what

#

Assa is one of the best specs in the game

#

How do I doom that

worthy rose
#

doomposting

#

you gotta say subtlety is better than sin

#

until blizz nerfs subtlety

#

thats how we'll be happy

spice surge
#

The only way sub is above sin right now is if your screen is upside down buddy

worthy rose
#

that was the joke

golden loom
#

Australian spec

balmy condor
#

Assa only top 5 spec not top 3, fuck blizzard dude this game fucking blows what a stupid stupid tuning patch

#

????

worthy rose
#

every time i play sub

#

i have no idea what im doing

balmy condor
#

We cannot be fr

vivid mulch
#

KB buff when pretty blizz plz c:

clever sparrow
#

why no chest piece in wowhead?

worthy rose
#

according to blizzard's own testing

#

we need to buff knife toss

balmy condor
#

KB seems like it’s exactly where it needs to be tbh

clever sparrow
#

isnt head the worst stats for assa?

worthy rose
balmy condor
#

Chest generally but it doesn’t matter

worthy rose
#

i skipped helm for the crit mast mask

balmy condor
#

Sure

vivid mulch
#

Or just rock everything like a chad

clever sparrow
balmy condor
#

Most people skip hands

spice surge
#

Get whatever you have the highest ilvl of

clever sparrow
#

i dont want to farm another

spice surge
balmy condor
#

Who fucking cares

golden loom
#

I have crafted helm πŸ™‚

balmy condor
#

Doesn’t matter for shit

hearty reef
#

speaking of not being fr

#

do you see demise going to 200% because of complaints?

worthy rose
#

im expecting knife toss buffs

#

poisoned knife to do 300% damage

red schooner
#

We ranged DPS now boys

worthy rose
#

speaking of ranged dps

red schooner
#

At least I can then be ranged DPS instead of my usual deranged dps

worthy rose
#

i was fucking mindblown when i learned like 80% of a ret pallies damaging spells is ranged

#

they dont have to be in melee range

#

ret is a fuckin caster now bois

vast shuttle
#

lowkey cooked on rik and stix

balmy condor
#

It’s ret pala fantasy to stand 20 yards away and do full damage, be invincible, and still suck

worthy rose
#

honestly tho

#

we need to buff rogue survivability

#

i take so much damage from shit coming out

#

unavoidable damage too

#

even feint dont help that much

vast shuttle
#

wdym

worthy rose
#

granted its also a healer issue

spice surge
worthy rose
#

but damn rogues take big damage

vast shuttle
#

rogue is kinda good

#

in that i think

spice surge
#

Outlaw and sub are like 15-20% tankier garf

hearty reef
worthy rose
#

like cloak of skill and evasion is great

winged sun
#

Assa squishy as shit

worthy rose
#

but the general survivability is shit

balmy condor
#

I have that written down in my article but its 3200 words into the thing so I don’t think people will read it when it comes out kekW

winged sun
sonic schooner
#

Stacking 30% vers on assa for m+

winged sun
#

But yea outlaw is kinda unkillable too on rot dmg

sonic schooner
#

Or else im dead

worthy rose
#

i have like 3% vers

sonic schooner
worthy rose
#

next to nothing

#

i get slapped by every boss

sonic schooner
#

I ve like 22

winged sun
sonic schooner
worthy rose
#

@winged sun can u link me a good sub talent build

#

that i can play up to 13s with

warm vortex
worthy rose
#

based zeross

winged sun
spice surge
#

Sub has 1 talent setup

winged sun
#

Yea

#

U can find it on wowhead easily

worthy rose
#

oh

#

alright

winged sun
#

@spice surge i may need the burst darkbrew build

#

For last boss rookery

#

Did u cook that yet

spice surge
#

Ye like 2 months ago garf_sit

quartz snow
#

hello guys , does anyone got a link to the " hybrid" build please ?

winged sun
#

Keeping in mind all my out of cds dmg is completely irrelevant

winged sun
spice surge
#

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBAAAAAALjZWmGzswDMzYMMzYmZGGz2YGzYbmZMzMjBsMbDAAAgZGMAGzmhBGYW0CtYDG

winged sun
#

Ty

quartz snow
#

i wanna try KB in M+

winged sun
#

How much higher burst is it eleem

#

Way more?

spice surge
#

I take no responsability for the class tree defensives

#

No like 5-10%

winged sun
#

Ok ok

#

Sounds good

sonic schooner
winged sun
#

It also sends 1 dance between cds or how much was it

#

Forgot the number

warm vortex
#

Death stalker sub poggers

spice surge
#

Yes

#

But you have slightly too much cdr so youll be at 2 stacks of both symbols and dance when flag has like 5s left

#

Which is kinda cringe

#

But it is what is

winged sun
#

I’ll have to try it on an 18 ig since i have it resilient now

spice surge
winged sun
undone flame
#

do we know if the new horrific Visions wil be cross faction?

spice surge
# winged sun Can u link it

Imagine if this build could take a talent in the bottom row instead of needing perforated veins (worth 0.2%) for pathing garf_sit

warm vortex
last skiff
warm vortex
#

Think cauldron was 1 night and 25 attempts or so

last skiff
#

We cannot dodge slam rik anymore

#

I dont want to kill it again

vivid mulch
#

Btw, low keys are they 12 and under or 14 and under?

warm vortex
#

Someone could consider a 10 a high key

#

and some a very low key

#

It's all in people opinions and what keys they do

sacred schooner
#

low key below 15 i think

#

high >=15

warm vortex
#

For you yea

royal lantern
#

low is bellow me, high no-lifer key is above me

#

so 11 and bellow is low and 14up is high

#

and if you play on their levels you are stinky

compact moth
#

So is it okay to miss 30 seconds of priory uptime just to line it up with death mark everytime?

scarlet wyvern
#

should i still play KB build in +16 or bleed

near valley
#

whatever u want

#

more dungeon based i'd reckon than build

winged sun
#

In some keys bleed is troll to play

scarlet wyvern
#

brew?

winged sun
#

On 16

#

Brew hybrid is miles better but u can also play bleed there

near valley
#

you heard it from the Rank 1 himself

scarlet wyvern
#

ty

winged sun
#

Brew is the only dungeon where master assassin+subterfuge is decent

#

On higher keys that is

compact moth
#

Zeross im asking because someone last night just told me to send it with death mark evryttime. New to the spec

normal mist
#

macro it to DM

#

forget about it

near valley
#

but they're both 2m

#

they never don't overlap

compact moth
#

Priory is 1.5 m

#

Or am i trippin

normal mist
#

never the less

#

you stack CDS

winged sun
#

Then save deathmark for boss

compact moth
#

No priory trinket

winged sun
#

So ur gonna send deathmark only 2 times

compact moth
#

Trinket

winged sun
#

Before 1st boss

midnight mist
#

would be true without killing spree, but i cannot play elus with killing spree

#

you either int your defensives or int the key

#

have to chose

normal mist
winged sun
compact moth
winged sun
#

U can save house of cards for 2nd miniboss in priory

#

Hold 30 seconds for kingsbane

#

But thats only on a +18 maybe

near valley
#

is this just some free tech ur throwing

#

or u just continuing on with the Priory talk instead of the trinket

winged sun
#

Yea well its only a high key priory thing

near valley
winged sun
#

So ur gonna send

#

Kingsbane+house of cards on 2nd miniboss boss

#

Dm+kingsbane+house of cards on 1st miniboss

#

3rd pull dm+kingsbane+houseofcards

#

Good luck getting into a 18-19 priory run to need to do that tho

#

Also if 1st miniboss dies too fast u just hold house of cards for ur deathmark as usual

near valley
#

you had coffee yet bro?

scarlet wyvern
#

ok somehow hybrid build does less dmg

normal mist
#

I guess it depends where you use it

shadow tulip
#

Hey! I'm frustrated now. Why does Carnage only applies to 2 additional mobs? Useage is pretty limited and the "smart" aspect of it is pretty much not smart. Why can't we have at least rupture work like sub's?

normal mist
#

?

#

The ability has been like that ever since it got reworked

shadow tulip
#

Yea and it's still annoying me

normal mist
#

and the smart part is = it applies to non garrotted/ruptured target outside of your main target

#

so if you min max, you can get 6 garrotes and 6 ruptures in 2 casts each

shadow tulip
#

I swear I feel sometimes it refreshes on some random mob instead of on one that does not have it

#

What's the exact range btw?

normal mist
#

negative

#

it doest work like that

#

It prioritizes non bleeding targets first

#

Range? no idea, usually everything is packed up

shadow tulip
#

Allrighty

#

Thanks

vivid mulch
#

Need my last 12 key TOP, wondering if i should run bleed with FI or hybrid with FI

normal mist
#

probably bleed

#

normal bleed

vivid mulch
#

Ye ok

indigo sphinx
#

What is this bleed with FI thing? πŸ˜‚ That sounds crazy

vivid mulch
#

Well FI more st, and TOP is more ST based no?

normal mist
#

Probably builds that Zeross uses in +17 or up

vivid mulch
#

So just makes sense or am i dead wrong?

indigo sphinx
#

Not bleed

vivid mulch
#

So FI with bleed is just a bad combo

indigo sphinx
#

Well idk it seems to make no sense, the whole thing iwth the ST build is to have all your dam from enven/spatter etc

#

So bleed with FI sounds strange

vivid mulch
#

Yeah true

indigo sphinx
#

And I'd not seen it hence asking about it haha

indigo sphinx
vivid mulch
#

Well i haven't tried it yet xd

#

Imma try Hybrid with FI and see how it works out

indigo sphinx
#

And the ST gain like its just not necessary until much higher keys

#

And its much harder to play optimally, requires more uptime etc etc

#

So its probably not worth but you do you king or queen or kwing

vivid mulch
#

I mean i tried it, doesn't feel that hard

indigo sphinx
#

Ya ofc, its just