assassination

[keen spruce]

no i'm just saying that's why we have no emote slotes

[runic hinge]

Oh lol

[keen spruce]

all of these long ass pets

[coral ibex]

turn em into stickers

[keen spruce]

I don't think i have the original picture that would take effor

t

[runic hinge]

Getting more garf emotes is gonna take me effort

!

[subtle fractal]

Anyone can join

[keen spruce]

did u kick me

[subtle fractal]

You were never in it

My server has public pans

[keen spruce]

is it a different server?

[subtle fractal]

We announce when someone is banned

[keen spruce]

I was in yours back in legion

[subtle fractal]

No I can invite you

[keen spruce]

maybe i left

[subtle fractal]

Oh that was OOOLD

[keen spruce]

inv plz

[balmy condor]

what the holy

[runic hinge]

Yeah. You invite Shmeeps

[subtle fractal]

I deleted that one

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

So he can steal your garfs

[balmy condor]

garfworld

based

[keen spruce]

i require garf

ty king

[subtle fractal]

[runic hinge]

Love me garfpause

[pliant remnant]

[subtle fractal]

[river ginkgo]

I can’t figure out kingsbane build 😦 on 5 target dummy I do more on bleed

[golden loom]

Dummies are perma gonna be in execute range so bleed ofc does crazy stuff there

[balmy condor]

it's only 30% more damage

minor buff

[lusty kraken]

with the ilvl increase of items, are we still going to use the circlet?

[balmy condor]

maybe

depends on the character

[lusty kraken]

is that your way of saying

[coral ibex]

hey bro i dont know you but i like your emotes and your friends

[balmy condor]

I mean kinda is sim yourself angle

but plenty of people will be able to drop it

just depends on the rest of the gear

I suspect it'll be like 40% using it still but dunno

[coral ibex]

apparently many guilds just leak brain matter every week on sprocket even after gally kill

[balmy condor]

maybe they nerf it again

[coral ibex]

this makes our 2.5hr reclear feel a little better

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna assume a higher ilvl hero jastors and a myth ring will let me drop it but who knows tbh

[river ginkgo]

I have 4% haste coming from sub. Is that a huge issue for assa?

[coral ibex]

nope

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[keen spruce]

[river ginkgo]

Tyty

[coral ibex]

haste is contextually better for bleed build in m+ but not a build around type thing

[runic hinge]

I am for sub buffs so peeps who wanna play that spec don’t feel like they need to reroll

And maybe less dooming in their channel

[coral ibex]

i never potted in this kill

i had the wrong macro on my bar

end of the night i still have 20 fleeting pots

no way

[runic hinge]

Rip in piece

[coral ibex]

thought my tracker weakaura was just broken

[subtle fractal]

[lethal arrow]

so close

[worthy rose]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[worthy rose]

wait hold up

deathmark potion racial trinket

what potion are we talkin

how did i make it to 13's without knowing to use potions

[runic hinge]

tempered potions?

[worthy rose]

but on a macro?

tempered crit potion you use when a dungeon starts right

[sonic pagoda]

You want to potion with your cds like death mark lmao

You are not old enough to know about pre pots?

[worthy rose]

wait are we talking about the same potions

the one hour duration ones

or is this a dfiferent potion

[sonic pagoda]

No thats a flask

[runic hinge]

thats a flask

[keen spruce]

that's a flask

combat potion

[sonic pagoda]

Battle potions

you are trolling

[keen spruce]

tempered potion

[runic hinge]

first

[keen spruce]

[worthy rose]

i shit u not i didnt know to use potions

[balmy condor]

rank 2's

holy you're so cheap

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

i'm actually so tilted i had the wrong macro

[runic hinge]

in keys i am

[coral ibex]

would have been a rank 1

[worthy rose]

i be using rank 2's or 3's depending on cost

[coral ibex]

[worthy rose]

ainnoway im using the most expensive one

[runic hinge]

I reject your reality and substitute my own

[sonic pagoda]

sucks to suck nerd

[runic hinge]

I won on LAN

[keen spruce]

well ok i'm last for everyone but mine

[sonic pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-the-joker-heath-ledger-cool-story-bro-clap-gif-3582211

I thought i was gonna go outlaw nope Killing spree kills me too much

and shadowstep way better than grappling hook and the APM for outlaw is dumb. Mut rogue is life

ALso Ele shaman is life

[worthy rose]

ok

i have been informed

i have bought some tempered potions

[keen spruce]

[worthy rose]

the silver ones at 36gold

becuase the bronze at 35gold make no sense

and he gold ones at 150g are insanely expensvie

[keen spruce]

rank 1s are just like leftover garbage

[worthy rose]

this is gonna be expensive if every time i use death mark its gonna cost 150g

36g is at least a bit tolerable

[keen spruce]

yeah and it's not that different

[coral ibex]

its not every time

[worthy rose]

isnt it in the macro

every time you pop deathmark itll use a potion

[keen spruce]

5m CD

[coral ibex]

its every 5 minutes or whatever

[worthy rose]

oh

[keen spruce]

so every 3rd

[worthy rose]

yeah but every third deathmark

[keen spruce]

but same same

[coral ibex]

every 4th

0 - 2 - 4 - 6

[worthy rose]

the 150g will add up quite a bit

[keen spruce]

nooj plz

[keen spruce]

so are you saying

[royal lantern]

hey, hook and step have different usage

cant call one better

[keen spruce]

that every 2nd deathmark

is the same as every deathmark

@coral ibex

[coral ibex]

what

am i cooked

[keen spruce]

0!-2-3-4! = every 4th u say
0!-2-3!-4 = every 3rd by your logic
0!-1!-2!-3! = every 2nd by your logic

[sonic pagoda]

I just did !

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[sonic pagoda]

okk ok grappling bhook better on first boss of cinder for getting the beers out Step better for jumping back into prio targets

[coral ibex]

yea

[keen spruce]

2=1 confirmed

[worthy rose]

ngl

[coral ibex]

you rn

[worthy rose]

yall should also include a roach macro

when you see your group dying

and you wanna immediately gtfo out of there

/cast evasion
/cast cloak of shadows
/cast sprint
/cast vanish

and youre outta there

[coral ibex]

don’t forget whatever the slash command for leave party is

[worthy rose]

LOL

you see the tank die and the healer out of mana

pop that macro

im outties

[coral ibex]

frame perfect key brick

[sonic pagoda]

i always have cloak and evasion on cd becasue i like to stand in shit and do dmg lol

[worthy rose]

thats fair

its funny when my friends keep pressuring me to use vanish charges to boost dps (i actually should)

but im like "WHAT IF I NEED IT TO ROACH"

[red schooner]

Saving vanish to roach is just a DPS increase for future dungeons

[runic hinge]

hard to roach these days everyone tries their best to not die even after you vanish

[red schooner]

Doesn't even work on bosses, tried it on sprocket prog, basically did nothing

[worthy rose]

Shit I gotta remember to use this line next time

That’s brilliant

[runic hinge]

we will call a wipe and i will vanish and people will just run around until i get aggro from sbs again or whatever

[worthy rose]

You gotta time the vanish just right

[runic hinge]

if i dont vanish soon enough i just get aggro and clapped so idk, i need these people to jump off and die and not have a pally just running around for no reason

(in game)

[feral mason]

Dh tanks make me want to do things in m+ man

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif

[feral mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1233147979632738425/test23456.gif

[bronze pike]

im ready for corruption

[runic hinge]

me when i tank for you

[feral mason]

I know its a skill issue

But there should never be tanks that have issues maintaining aggro throughout a non lust pull

just buff tank threat generation again or something idk

[runic hinge]

why arent you using your 1 hour tricks

[feral mason]

i aint playin rogue sometimes

[runic hinge]

same

but im playing priest so i fade

[balmy condor]

prot warrior is hard-capped

for some unknown reason

[feral mason]

They seem to do decent enough damage anyway

The gap between the average fotm dh and people that actually play it well is staggering somehow

[balmy condor]

yeah but it doesn't matter when they legit just aren't hitting the guy that snap-aggro'd to me from caustic

idk, tank threat and tank damage are both insano whack

[feral mason]

Im glad resilient is a thing and I can leave without being too much of a dick sometimes

If I snap aggro halfway through packs a few times in a row without any procs ill usually just ask if its resi and if they say yes, make my exit

[amber brook]

Am I playing bleed horrendously wrong if hybrid is pulling ahead by quite a margin?

[worthy rose]

1hour tricks is a subtlety thing right

I was like woah wtf when I first saw it

[bronze pike]

sadly most fotms

cant press buttons

which only make the threat issues bigger than it is

[worthy rose]

Trust in blizzard single button rotation 😂

Imagine a tank single button rotation

I have flashbacks to swifty’s one shot warrior macro

Back in the cata days

[runic hinge]

Trickster hero talent

[bronze pike]

i havent even checked

if it works with tank

on god

it might improve the state of some tank players

[red schooner]

Potentially, when I swapped to bleed my aoe went up so not sure

[royal lantern]

playin tank a bit shows that really good lol

there are moments where i use 2 abilitys, and the adds STILL ignore me and walk straight to a dps guy that didnt use a single ability yet

like ??? ok i gues?

[worthy rose]

i mean realistically

i dont even know if the single button rotation will help

but then on the other hand it also might

ive met prot pallies that dont spen dany holy power on defensives

which is apparently like rogue snot using combo finishers

[bronze pike]

non meme answer?

it will help a bit

way to many tanks dont like damage buttons cause tanks arnt supposed to do damage

[worthy rose]

coz i guess we're all discussing shit like

the gcd penalty and whatnot right

thats like real min maxy shit really if youre talking to someone who doesnt even know thier own rotation

[bronze pike]

the real issue is that openers usually arnt strong

[worthy rose]

for someone who messes up everything and does worse than tank dps

the single button rotation will be a no brainer and actually help

[bronze pike]

vdh reaver you gotta wait for like 3 globals to do yuour first hard hitting aoe ability for threat

[feral mason]

@balmy condor were the assa sims for one button without implemented cds and also without the gcd penalty?

[bronze pike]

the hunt is a st nuke so prio target, tg another st nuke, fracture does nothing

[feral mason]

cause no way they made an apl with cds and its that poor surely

[bronze pike]

then soulcleave turns to big aoe nuke

and then you sigile of spite

[bronze pike]

pins lol

[feral mason]

It doesnt say that in the pins

Ive seen them

thats why im asking

[balmy condor]

Wdym, it’s flawless

[royal lantern]

allright listen

this is my 3rd m+ as guardian and i really need those 8stacks iron fur, fuck using Maul

[slate scaffold]

Behold

The perfect rotation

[feral mason]

Yeah but does it actually tell you to use DM/kb at all or did they forget to add those here too?

[slate scaffold]

[balmy condor]

It presses kingsbane

I think also deathmark?

[feral mason]

Yikes

[royal lantern]

but didnt they just said that it wont press bigger cds

[feral mason]

Ive heard of arcane having one that sims for like 80% of their dps, almost had some faith

[balmy condor]

No deathmark

[feral mason]

Very misplaced

[balmy condor]

Double checked

[feral mason]

Its supposed to

[slate scaffold]

Kalamazi has a video showcasing it and it refuses to press tyrant or infernal lol

[worthy rose]

what the fuck

did it just do knife toss until it could envenom

LOL

[balmy condor]

This is basically the list

[feral mason]

The example list of cd it should press included ascendance

[balmy condor]

I had to tweak that a little

[feral mason]

Thats about the biggest cd you can get

[balmy condor]

But it’s essentially that

[royal lantern]

yes

like, it will be mostly just basic rotation stuff, not cd usage

[worthy rose]

LOL who needs mutilate

[low ruin]

most of all i love that it casts SnD

[worthy rose]

when you can just knife toss

holy shit

[royal lantern]

its REALLY not supposed to be used by anyone that isnt a worldquest shitter

[worthy rose]

thats the meme of all memes

[slate scaffold]

Ranged rogue build

[bronze pike]

pressing maul

you noob

[slate scaffold]

Only throw knife builder

[feral mason]

Oh wait it wont

[bronze pike]

swipe 5 head

[feral mason]

Man I read this too late at night

my bad

[worthy rose]

confirmed

im going to only knife toss now

from now on no more mutilates

only knife toss

daddy bliz devs said so

[balmy condor]

I’m pretty sure the knife logic is inverted, so it’s like supposed to knife if target is out of melee, but instead it knifes if the target is in melee

[royal lantern]

but swipe is no rage spender, its a generic aoe filler

[balmy condor]

So you just never get to mutilate

[hollow river]

incoming knife buff: 10,000%

[worthy rose]

thats 10/10 memetastic

[gloomy heart]

I NEED TO PARSE

[royal lantern]

oh hey, the azerite trait comes back

[feral mason]

according to guildie theres a conditional on pressing tyrant on having a certain amount of demons/imps before it presses it

[worthy rose]

hilarious because the most amoutn of times i use knife toss is just doing transmog runs of old content

[feral mason]

Which said rotation mathemarically cant reach

[worthy rose]

knife toss oneshot but i dont think i use it much in actual content

[slate scaffold]

Lmaoooo

[bronze pike]

no matter

wipemore

i dont think your supposed to use so much globals on swipe

atleast you werent suypposed to on df anyways

[slate scaffold]

Conditional for amount of demons
Can’t reach it because the GCD penalty causes them to expire

Blizzard cooked with that one

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean I think they just rushed out the feature without testing and they’ll fix it on PTR later

Which to be fair is kinda what that’s for

But it’s still funny

[feral mason]

Yeah

I just wonder if they’re counting on people to learn specs for them whenever something gets major updates on ptr so they can change the rotation

[low ruin]

didnt they ask for feedback on the rotations though?

what rotations?

[worthy rose]

real question though

[feral mason]

cause in all fairness they did okay on a few specs

[worthy rose]

if hekili gets its rotations from running sims

[feral mason]

(80-85%)

[worthy rose]

wouldnt blizzard if they used sims end up with the same rotation

[balmy condor]

Also the other thing is that the tool fundamentally doesn’t understand pandemic

[balmy condor]

Yeah but they don’t use sims

[worthy rose]

ah

therein lies the problem

[balmy condor]

Blizzard is starkly anti-sim

[worthy rose]

gg blizzard is cooked

[balmy condor]

Always has been

[red schooner]

Is there gonna be an option to add in custom logic/rules to the single button thing or are you stuck with the blizzard one?

[balmy condor]

It’s also like people saying they use sims to tune

[feral mason]

warcraftlogs is the better balancing tool

[balmy condor]

Are absolute fucking delusional idiots

[worthy rose]

how are they gonna give a rotation suggestion if they dont sim for the best results

its just gonna teach people the wildly incorrect things

[feral mason]

Feelscrafting

my beloved

[worthy rose]

as memey as hekili is at least you could argue its run from sims

[slate scaffold]

Oh no

[worthy rose]

but blizz operating on hopes and dreams

memes and dreams

[balmy condor]

It’s not meant to be perfect it’s meant for people in like LFR and shit

[worthy rose]

or memes and memes

nothing but memes all the way down

[balmy condor]

As long as it presses CDs, maintains bleeds, and fills with envenom

It’ll be fine

It’s not supposed to be a rotation helper for heroic raiders or whatever

Never was designed to be

[feral mason]

getting to like 80% shouldnt be that hard though

[quasi portal]

So i went to test it on PTR and is it just my character or is mutilate just not being given to us? i have sinister strike and no mutilate on PTR right now.

[worthy rose]

80% is like hekili tho

[feral mason]

Also they should probably add something that highlights your cds on your bars seperately or something

[balmy condor]

Like people just fundamentally misunderstand what the tool is supposed to be for, it seems

The whole point is that its not optimal, but it’s close enough

[slate scaffold]

I honestly don’t mind the feature being added. I think it’s great for accessibility to people with disabilities or just not used to retail

[feral mason]

Cause I think people won’t realise they have cds at all with this knowing the average wow player

[balmy condor]

Hekili is far more than 80%

[worthy rose]

oh really

like 90%?

[balmy condor]

Like 95-97% probably

[worthy rose]

damn thats pretty nuts

[balmy condor]

Its gotten scary good over the years

[worthy rose]

actually now that i think about it

hekili probably has a perfect isngle target rotation if you can just stand and blast

[feral mason]

Shits stupid to quantify but just the “simple” rotational rules for outlaw already get you to 90%

[worthy rose]

but in a mythic dungeon when you ggotta prioritize abilitie sand cd's for next pulls etc

it probabyl falls way short

its like a hit or miss

i think overall in a mythic dungeon run hekili might be 70%

but on a case by case judgement hekili might be 100% or close to it like whispyrs says

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna hekili outlaw

[gloomy heart]

is it hard to parse with some ppl being renown 20%?

[balmy condor]

I can tell you after rewriting the ST APL from scratch that even basic logical flow gets you within 4% of perfect for assa

[surreal halo]

Is that for real!? Surely not, that's actually mad.

[amber brook]

There may be a bit of a bias since i ran hybrid on DFC and Rookery

[feral mason]

Yeah minmaxes are definitely worth doing of course, but the returns diminish pretty hard

[pliant remnant]

That was rolled back, brosef

[royal lantern]

i mean, people also use sim numbers wrong all the time

[gloomy heart]

omg pog

[balmy condor]

Sadly I think you might fall closer to this category than you want to admit if that’s your reaction

[surreal halo]

Hahaha almost certainly!

[balmy condor]

Sims are awful tuning metrics and always have been

[feral mason]

whisp are you also a WCL balancing conspiracy theorist then

[pliant remnant]

No they're not

[feral mason]

or am I too delulu

[pliant remnant]

Sims tell us that assa needs big buffs

and I support that

[surreal halo]

Maybe I just thought more went on behind the scenes, but don't really pay much attention to the game dev side

[pliant remnant]

[runic hinge]

Assa simming super low but being the best spec in amidrasil xddd

[balmy condor]

That’s not a conspiracy that’s just how it works

[feral mason]

I always get bullied into believing “blizzard has their own data”

[balmy condor]

Yeah for sure

[feral mason]

Early rogue nerfs every tier teach me differently

[tacit hedge]

For bleed build you want your energy above 50% but for hybrid you want to below 50% I think I read some where?

[balmy condor]

They have their own data and it’s so much different from literal raw combat logged data from the raid

Surely right

[balmy condor]

Yes on the hybrid part, technically yes on the bleed part but irrelevant mostly

[worthy rose]

thoeretically if blizzard does have its own data cant it just see the button presses of every rogue in a +17 mythic or something

and just copy that rotation as the one to go with

analyze every +17 or +18 run and then average out hte abilities to make a rotation flow

and then ccall it good enough

thats not simming right

[feral mason]

Whole lotta work

[balmy condor]

Dog please stop talking I’m not strong enough for a 3rd harunie moment in one day

[gloomy heart]

I HATE RIKA RIKA REVERB

[worthy rose]

we need a fourth

[bronze pike]

no more harunie

only rembourrage

i have a sin fix

[tacit hedge]

Why is that the case for hybrid? Would that also go for keys and raid as well?

[balmy condor]

You spout just raw unfiltered ragebait with the precision of a chatbot trained on keywords that trigger only me, it’s crazy

[rose ore]

In aoe do I prioritise getting garrote and ruptures up on everything or crimson tempest

[patent gust]

Anyone have faith blizzard can even mimic half these addons

[balmy condor]

Envenom big dam, bleed no big dam, sanguine buff bleed damage no good eat energy bad caveman want more envenom good

[feral mason]

Is he like assa’s ryukage

[pliant remnant]

God no

[worthy rose]

a well trained targetted ragebait

[winged quail]

Lmao just saw the pin how did they fk it up that bad

[balmy condor]

Poisoned knife is used on targets that are in melee range, instead of targets that are NOT in melee range

[feral mason]

They got 30 something other specs to do it for too, and probably like 1 or 2 people to make them

[gloomy heart]

i dont have this bound anymore

[feral mason]

I dont blame them for halfassing

[balmy condor]

39

[feral mason]

damn its that many now

still right I guess

[balmy condor]

And don’t forget that it needs to also work in aoe reasonably well, and also there’s 2 hero talents that fuck it up

[feral mason]

Itll never be perfect

[gloomy heart]

just remember if u fuck up ur parse, wipe the raid and go again

[feral mason]

I just think some indicator for cds would be nice to have

[agile wedge]

iam curious about the dynamic part of it, like understanding whats happening around you and giving you the correct suggestion then

[feral mason]

Like at least let these goobers know they have cds

[cunning needle]

blizzard should delete hero talents

or make it so they arent a choice

[tacit hedge]

Makes sense, fair enough. That being said do you play around not emptying energy as to not consume thistle tea so you can use it for shiv or just keep blasting regardless?

[winged quail]

If they want it to replace Hekili it will need to be close to perfect tho cuz that shit is very good

[feral mason]

Cause I know half the people in my social raiding team will be using this

[balmy condor]

What’s curious about that

[feral mason]

It has range checks and target checks

And thats it I imagine

[cunning needle]

im going to afk in LFR pressing one button now

great for alts

[feral mason]

And dot already applied stuff also ig

[balmy condor]

yeh pretty much

[worthy rose]

thats exactly what im gonna do

[agile wedge]

that a lot of conditions needs to be taken into consideration to get the right thing to do.

[worthy rose]

every now and then with the bag of cooperation thats an easy 1k gold and a augment rune

[balmy condor]

they don't though, at least not to that extent

[balmy condor]

it really doesn't

[kind forge]

But where is the fun in that?

[balmy condor]

again, this isn't a tool to replace your rotation perfectly 1 to 1

[gloomy heart]

i can’t wait to half a longer gcd and do less damage !

[cunning needle]

so i can get to doing content faster on my alts

[balmy condor]

it's meant for like people with disabilities or just smashing out timewalking dungeons or whatever

like I doubt these things will be better than 80% efficient

and that's by design

hypercasuals will get to press one button, and people who want to learn and improve will need to learn and improve

[kind forge]

The content isn’t going to be faster, since you still depend on your group

[agile wedge]

i mean lets take this 80% efficiency

[cunning needle]

i can guarantee you on my shit alt #6 will be doing more damage than i was before

since i wasnt doing any damage before

[agile wedge]

how many of the raiders are playing their spec at 80%

[balmy condor]

depends what a raider is

LFR raider? probably not a lot

[gloomy heart]

just press ur buttons

[balmy condor]

normal/heroic? the vast majority

[cunning needle]

no, i want to afk and get free loot

[agile wedge]

interesting. feels different to me, have to admit, feelings are no data

[balmy condor]

maintain rupture+gar, press cds on cooldown (like don't sync shiv with anything, just slam), and fill with envenom

is already 90-92%

holding shivs and like finishing properly on 5/7 and the correct sequencing gets you to 96ish%

and then from there it's like dry shiv and pooling into kb and whatever tiny nonsense

[gloomy heart]

hate.

i’m parsing on normal let’s go i’m so back

[balmy condor]

realistically if you don't overcap resources and press everything on cooldown you're like at minimum 85+% of the way there

[winged quail]

I’m curious what Bliz are doing differently from Hekili to have that discrepancy in performance, because I have no idea how either dev builds their tool but I find it interesting

[balmy condor]

blizzard's tool is a very basic priority list

[cunning needle]

tbh i dont think blizzard cares that much about "optmization"

[balmy condor]

hekili rips the logic from simc

[bronze pike]

theyre not using apls

cause its third party

i would imagine, correct me if im wrong btw

blzizard cant use third party things so openly

like that

[balmy condor]

correct

[winged quail]

Ahhh I assumed Bliz would be using some kind of APL but I guess it makes sense for them to not use a community maintained feature

[kind forge]

Fair enough - my brain not wired for that though

[bronze pike]

without legalities

[feral mason]

If everyone plays their class to 80% of optimal dps in a group, they wont actually be doing 80% of the top parses dps

Lotta factors that influence that

So the gap seems more substantial sometimes

[balmy condor]

idk if it even quantifies as an APL under like the accepted definition people think of with APL

it's more like a grocery list you just run down in order

[winged quail]

Yeah that makes sense then

[cunning needle]

GPL

[balmy condor]

we got the logic translated into simc APL language

and some of it is just like

VERY bare

actions.assisted_combat+=/garrote,if=debuff.garrote.down

[agile wedge]

this was my misunderstanding then

[balmy condor]

actions.assisted_combat+=/kingsbane
actions.assisted_combat+=/shiv,if=debuff.shiv.down

[winged quail]

I suppose it makes it easier for Bliz to maintain a priority list across 36 specs than a full apl

[cunning needle]

does that mean its casting shiv off cd?

[balmy condor]

actions.assisted_combat+=/envenom,if=combo_points>=5
actions.assisted_combat+=/ambush,if=buff.blindside.up
actions.assisted_combat+=/fan_of_knives,if=active_enemies>3

[balmy condor]

yes

[low ruin]

these 2 are more right than wrong no?

[cunning needle]

based GPL

never hodl

only send

[balmy condor]

I mean it casts the abilities, so that's neat I guess

but casting shiv on cooldown is a choice

isn't the whole point of this thing to be "more right than wrong"

[low ruin]

i mean it double casts both stacks so there's that

[balmy condor]

on pull, sure

then waht

[cunning needle]

then surely one of the shivs line up with DM

[winged quail]

Time for you to maintain a best simming build for the Blizzard GPL on the guide

1 shiv only

[low ruin]

no i mean it just legit tells you to press both in a row, i was inferring it's actually very wrong but "casting them on CD" depending on build is ok in general right ignoring the spending both stacks at once

[feral mason]

With the amount of lower content I do on alts, I just know a substantial amount of people will use this in hc raid / lower keys. I kinda need it to be okay at least cause otherwise my gameplay experience will genuinely get worse

[balmy condor]

I fixed the list to what I think blizzard is gonna eventually do

and like it seems fine idk

it's a bit rough

[feral mason]

Yeah thats okay enough

[balmy condor]

idk how much support they want for hero talents

it definitely sucks at deathstalker

[feral mason]

although thats without the gcd penalty right

[balmy condor]

that is with gcd penality

[feral mason]

oh

[bronze pike]

gcd penality wont go away

[feral mason]

I mean then its more than fine

[bronze pike]

so dont try it

[balmy condor]

I can do without the penalty

[winged quail]

That’s if you use the assist, if you use the 1 button 20% penalty it’s gonna be quite rough but like who cares

[red schooner]

Single button fatebound let's go

[feral mason]

I mean it’d just be a 25-26% increase

[winged quail]

Oh nvm that’s with penalty

[balmy condor]

those are the same thing

the assist is the one button

[hollow river]

checking without GCD penalty is to see how the rotation assist like hekili will perform..

[low ruin]

the assist also highlights icons on your bars so you can still follow it without pressing the 1 button and you dont get the gcd penalty

[winged quail]

I thought it was just the glowy button assist, if the penalty is -27% it’s not even that bad

[fresh kelp]

there are 2 options, the one button one and one that just lights up buttons like hekili (that does not incur the penalty)

[balmy condor]

I see

[feral mason]

Guess the no gcd penalty sim might be interesting to have also then

[gloomy heart]

Who wins in a fight, whispyr or comcast

[balmy condor]

comcast

but like if I fix the rotation to not be brain damaged with deathstalker

[low ruin]

you can set it up like this (increase the size of an action bar and make the slots hidden by default)

and effectively you have something that mimics current helpers and you can just follow it manually instead without the gcd penalty

[winged quail]

That is better than most non assisted rogues I see

[cunning needle]

sounds like this is time to submit a job application to blizzard

[balmy condor]

it's literally just ambush from stealth, garrote if its not up, CT if its not up on 2+, envenom on 7 for darkest night, rupture if its not up, mutilate for caustic spatter, deathmark, kingsbane, shiv if its not up, envenom on 5, ambush if blindside, fan of knives on 3, mutilate, garrote

that's the whole rotation

with all conditions as well

and if I take out the GCD wait it's uh........

the same

idk if that's fucked or not

the GCD wait in sims is a bit fucky

I have it set up very jank

[low ruin]

the GCD penalty is wholly avoidable unless you just want to press 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

[balmy condor]

sure

[winged quail]

Assa is probably one of the less punished specs with a 20% gcd penalty tbh

[feral mason]

You’d be shocked at the amount of people that just want to press 1-1-1-1-1-1

[balmy condor]

it makes your cooldowns shit, which hurts

but yeh

but idk, with a couple of quick fixing it's within 7-8% it's honestly really good lmao

[winged quail]

I’m just imagining Sub losing GCDs every dance and laughing

[feral mason]

I asked around with some of my social raiders (7/8 hc currently) and like 30-40% of them wants to use it

[balmy condor]

yeh

[gloomy heart]

Doomed

[cunning needle]

if frost mages could read this, they'd be really offended

[balmy condor]

I mean it depends how neutered blizzard wants to make the thing

like if they do the fixes I just did and it's within 7% I can see low end mythic raiders smashing 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

[feral mason]

I think people will use it whether its 50% dps or 75% so like

[winged quail]

Literal classic frost mage rotation

[feral mason]

Would rather have it be okay

[red schooner]

Didn't blizz say that the rotation helper wouldn't send cooldowns or did I misinterpret that?

[balmy condor]

I mean it sends kingsbane

and shiv

rn

[worthy rose]

blizzard used to be very anti one button rotation

now theyr making a one button doe sall solution

what a 180

[feral mason]

I mean they’d need to press the buttons themselves still, the 1-1-1 shit is a -20% nerf to begin with

and thats not much different than using hekili

so its w/e

[red schooner]

So it just doesn't send deathmark

[balmy condor]

correct

[balmy condor]

but that's probably a bug idk

oh

[feral mason]

Nah its intended

For now

[balmy condor]

"major"

[red schooner]

I guess kingsbane isn't classed as a major cooldown

[gloomy heart]

swiftly has inspired blizzard to make one button

[feral mason]

everything above 1min isnt auto pressed

[red schooner]

I didn't know how they'd interpret that tbh

[winged quail]

Honestly a lot of low-mythic raiders would benefit from using a well set up Hekili profile, and that’s basically what the rotation helper will be

[feral mason]

(Including vanish and AR because those are clearly 1min+ cds)

[gloomy heart]

heh?

feel like the assa rotation isn’t too complicated

[balmy condor]

it very much isnt

[feral mason]

I mean they wouldnt benefit benefit

But their dps would go up

[gloomy heart]

if you are doing mythic and don’t know the rotation by now

alt f4

[feral mason]

gameplay wise they wouldnt learn shit

[winged quail]

I’m not saying I use it I’m saying I’ve played with people who would perform better if they did

[gloomy heart]

Or they can just watch a 5min vid and hit a dummy for a hour

[worthy rose]

what if those people are too proud to admit they suck

and refuse to use the one button solution

wow for dummies

and we still end up in the same situation as before

[winged quail]

That’s more effort than 90% of players are willing to put in

[bronze pike]

i dont believe we'll see people use assisted stuff beyond lfr

[gloomy heart]

Kinda

[bronze pike]

if they do and they dont fixed the weird interactions

[hollow river]

you drastically underestimate how bad some people can be

[bronze pike]

like poison knife

[worthy rose]

when this comes out in 11.1.7 im going to start playing my shadow priest again

i will ONLY use the one button rotation

and i will see how far i can get

memes if i can get to 3k

[bronze pike]

[gloomy heart]

oh no i don’t, i did pvp boosts all of shadowlands. Some people don’t have fingers

[balmy condor]

3k should be doable

[worthy rose]

i apologise to whoever i meet in advance if you encounter me on my one button hekili shadow adventure

[balmy condor]

I mean if they just fix the poisoned knife thing I think assa one button is already good enough

[gloomy heart]

yeah idk why that was in the rotation

that was fried

[worthy rose]

one button assassination could rpob get 3k but im talking shadow priest

[balmy condor]

it won't be the cleanest 3k

but it's doable

[worthy rose]

which is one of the most difficult rotations iirc

[runic hinge]

Nah

Spriest is easy

[gloomy heart]

i don’t press it anymore

[balmy condor]

yeah idk about that

[runic hinge]

I played it to 2300 in PvP last season

[gloomy heart]

I feel like mage is punishing

[winged quail]

I can’t wait to see how they manage Outlaw with the 1 button

[gloomy heart]

Rotation wise

[balmy condor]

it's basically just cooldowns on cooldown aint it

[worthy rose]

yall are just too good

[red schooner]

It'd be nice if with the one button rotation thing there'd be a pop out option explaining why it selects the abilities it uses. Just to help people gain an understanding of the specs.

[winged quail]

That’s way too much effort to ever happen

[red schooner]

Just as a basic overview even

[balmy condor]

like you just dot, cooldowns,void bold, mind blast

and then what

flay?

gg done

[runic hinge]

Yes except you hold mindblast 4 seconds before torrent

[balmy condor]

sure

[low ruin]

well you see the thing about the existing rotation helpers is they effectively have this already, you have APLs you can view & FAQs.

Blizzards version is going to be entirely hidden so i'd argue it wont make a good learning tool.

[clever sparrow]

daggers are ugly af any idea?

[runic hinge]

That’s it lol. You have a priority which is basically everything before flay

[balmy condor]

yeh

[gloomy heart]

people gonna use the one button rotation while using hold to cast

[balmy condor]

blast + bolt on cd, don't cap insanity, cds on cd

[gloomy heart]

just holding one and doing damage

[balmy condor]

pog gg

[runic hinge]

Fun spec tho

Tbh my favorite alt

[red schooner]

Yeah it needs something in game, just a paragraph going, "this is the rotation, this is WHY the buttons are in this order", it'd help with learning in game

[clever sparrow]

you already can install GSE hold one button and do dmg ( WITHOUT 0.2 GCD penalty)

[worthy rose]

thats genius

instead of pressing

just press and hold

you are blowing my mind right now

[gloomy heart]

could do damage using ur feet that way i guess

[winged quail]

Put a weight on the key and become a never ending dps machine

[gloomy heart]

hold 1 with ur toe

[balmy condor]

do people actually fucking read these though

[clever sparrow]

maybe with this one button thing paladins in my group would do some dmg

and huntards

[red schooner]

Obtain foot pedal, sit cat on foot pedal, go and make a drink or something

[gloomy heart]

Who reads TOS

[hollow river]

its shit tho

[low ruin]

I do sir 🫡

[clever sparrow]

same thing with the one button tho

both shit

[gloomy heart]

make it bound to spacebar and twerk on my keyboard for maximum efficiency

[balmy condor]

my whole job is wowhead news and guides, and I can tell you from our web data that people do not read jack shit about anything ever

[hollow river]

it breaks and requires more than 1 button

so

even more shit

[clever sparrow]

btw class change when?

its been 2 month

[balmy condor]

I forget what the number is, but I think somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of guide clicks start and end on the overview page with the cheat sheet and never go any further

[clever sparrow]

that UDK havent got nerfed

arms warrior nerf when

[runic hinge]

Balance is pretty good tbh

[winged quail]

The intent behind rotation helpers (not the one button) is to build muscle memory to go along with knowledge from guides. But people need to read the guides big L

[low ruin]

i mean this makes sense especially people who know for the most part what they are doing but want an update on the latest recommended builds etc

[gloomy heart]

i don’t like the one button rotation thing but i know it’ll be good for the noobs

[balmy condor]

I mean I keep hearing that argument, but what good is muscle memory if you don't fucking understand what the buttons are doing

[clever sparrow]

one question.
is it usual that my CT deals more than CS? on hybrid build?

[gloomy heart]

i love smashing my keys correctly in a precise order at a precise time

[winged quail]

Yeah that’s my point

[balmy condor]

bold assumption that people know what they're doing

[clever sparrow]

i remember that CS should be highest dps

[balmy condor]

yes

[runic hinge]

Ct is super good

[clever sparrow]

ahh im happy then

[clever sparrow]

with the 4 set buff

[gloomy heart]

what is this “cook” build everyone is playing, supercharger dumpy build

[balmy condor]

does the 4 set buff ct?

[runic hinge]

Yeah

It’s all finishers

[balmy condor]

I don't even remember lmao

oh right

okay

[bronze pike]

arms

ive never seen a arms warrior in my life btw

[balmy condor]

build for boss damage in like 18/19's

[winged quail]

Arms is more fun than fury imo

[idle inlet]

@balmy condor please tell us master of sims did I waist my socket on my belt on tuesday or is the new delve belt useless in real content

[balmy condor]

I would hardly say "everyone"

[balmy condor]

the what

what new delve belt

[gloomy heart]

figured

[clever sparrow]

flood 12 - 10 min ago

[hollow river]

11.1.7 is giving us a belt instead of a ring or neck

[clever sparrow]

the guy hitting like truck on bosses

😄

[idle inlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/overcharged-delves-and-the-titan-disc-belt-possible-new-borrowed-power-in-patch-376669

[radiant raven]

It might be Delve only buffs, though.

[winged quail]

Why is ur rogue purple that’s DH colours

[bronze pike]

i dont see anything wrong with this?

[clever sparrow]

cause why not

[winged quail]

It’s wrong

My eyes hurt

[clever sparrow]

i just shows you your first arms warrior

[bronze pike]

overal seems solidly close

[gloomy heart]

i love priory

[bronze pike]

your prot paladin

[clever sparrow]

same same

[bronze pike]

can do more tho

[radiant raven]

It's going to be incredibly funny if we go into 11.2 using both the circlet and this belt.

[balmy condor]

dawg there ain't no way you just asked me how good a belt is that isn't testable, from a PTR patch that came out actual HOURS ago

are you serious

[clever sparrow]

he got one shot on first pack tho

[gloomy heart]

priory 10 pog

[bronze pike]

so hes silly

idk how people get oneshotted as prot paladin

[idle inlet]

I uhh may not have checked when that was posted XD

[hollow river]

a belt we won't have for like a month or more

[bronze pike]

you have a cd for everything

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

you're telling me you want me to just know how good the belt is 13 hours after it's announced

that we won't see in game for like

2 months

[gloomy heart]

LOL

[winged quail]

Yeah so how good is it?

[bronze pike]

well

[radiant raven]

Get a time machine.

[winged quail]

Get a move on

[bronze pike]

sim it mr sim

[gloomy heart]

we need a whispyr sanity meter

[runic hinge]

It’s on 0

[feral mason]

I tried accessing it on ptr yday but couldnt

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/lilo-and-stitch-badness-badness-level-book-drawing-gif-5364953

cept its whispyr

[feral mason]

Id have some shit for you otherwise

[idle inlet]

I mean you are the goat for all things assassination rogue

[gloomy heart]

try it when it’s out!

[feral mason]

[balmy condor]

my sanity meter is like warrior fury bar except they have no generators

[gloomy heart]

weaponless

[balmy condor]

today has been actual hell in this channel

It's only the 2nd of the month and I've already read like the top 15 stupidest things just from today

it's crazy

[winged quail]

One of my guildies is having a child soon can you sim how good they will be?

[gloomy heart]

i need to finish gearing my rogue so i can stop getting excited about parsing 98on normal 💀

[balmy condor]

ethnicity/household income?

[radiant raven]

Maybe it's just frontloaded this month.

[balmy condor]

and country of origin

[radiant raven]

Wait, no, visions are coming later. Sorry the worst is yet to come.

[winged quail]

Uhhh Swedish and idk brokies probably

[low ruin]

i can say from experience this is at least a 50% dps loss, have you ever raided with a toddler sat on your shoulders or climbing infront of your face?

[balmy condor]

oh they'll be fine then

[bronze pike]

i wasnt one of them

[worthy rose]

the best part about raiding is that on normal and heroic difficulty i can jsut let other people do sweaty dps

[bronze pike]

i am

[worthy rose]

and i get ez clears

[bronze pike]

washed

cooked

[runic hinge]

Mayday

[bronze pike]

im tired from work

and family things

brain cant cook a decent rage bait

[gloomy heart]

i love to parse

[balmy condor]

hi tired from work

[bronze pike]

i am sorry, ive failed u

[balmy condor]

I'm whispyr

[worthy rose]

ok we're at a stage where whispyr is doing brainrot

[bronze pike]

hi whipsyr

[worthy rose]

its free reign in this chat now

[bronze pike]

im tired from work

[gloomy heart]

i see rogues in my raid who are 672 doing 1.6m dps

[bronze pike]

MF

WHY

[gloomy heart]

sketchyyyy

[bronze pike]

MOD ABUSE

[balmy condor]

what's wrong

[red schooner]

Whispyr go to sleep it's not worth it

[balmy condor]

you're tired from work

[bronze pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[worthy rose]

im at 669.69 but id be doing the same thing

unironically 669.69

[bronze pike]

losing my grip from sanity

twlight dev cant come soon enough

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[gloomy heart]

he spelled your name “whipsyr”

goated

[worthy rose]

whipsyr? like a whipped sir?

[gloomy heart]

rotation is as

EZ

[balmy condor]

wowhead comments have spelled it wyphser

so

not that bad

[worthy rose]

wphaser

[gloomy heart]

should hear how ppl pronounce my name

“psyche”

[balmy condor]

face but with a y

[gloomy heart]

pain.

[balmy condor]

fyce

[gloomy heart]

yes

[balmy condor]

ez

I'm literally him

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/locked-away-cat-eternity-doritos-gif-27631598

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/she-can’t-dance-but-she’s-still-vibin-cat-girl-neko-girl-neko-tan-black-cat-girl-gif-2947855792717979268

[gloomy heart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/874131064191336478/1146653062014980126/togif.gif

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

[worthy rose]

furry spotted

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-you-think-shrimple-shrimpler-than-you-think-gif-5912339516632023992

[worthy rose]

bet ur a filthy vulperra main

[balmy condor]

female orc

[runic hinge]

Not anymore

He changed

[worthy rose]

damn das nasty

[runic hinge]

Meta chasing

[balmy condor]

real

[gloomy heart]

can i get a log review on my normal parse 🙂

[balmy condor]

no

review yourself

[worthy rose]

did u get the garona transmog going

[balmy condor]

I did not

[winged quail]

Female orcs can’t look like ninja turtles, male orc is BiS

[worthy rose]

thats dps loss

[runic hinge]

Whisp only used to do govt mandated keys. Now he’s a pusher

[balmy condor]

figures

[worthy rose]

u need to embrace the garona

[gloomy heart]

LOL

[worthy rose]

in order to beat everyone

[gloomy heart]

reviewing

dude i actually hate rik reverb

ruins my day

[balmy condor]

my boss dam is gud idk

[worthy rose]

surely you cant hate rik reverb as much as ovinax

[runic hinge]

Dick vibes shouldn’t ruin your day

[balmy condor]

that's whole night

and we aren't hitting execute range

[winged quail]

I’m glad my guild is not progging it anymore, couldn’t take more Rik pulls with the amp evasion gone

[balmy condor]

two pulls in execute

[worthy rose]

the key to victory

is to not lose

[balmy condor]

oh buddy I'm fucking losing it

[gloomy heart]

that mage is owning

[balmy condor]

mac is a cranker

@thick brook also very cute

[gloomy heart]

I break my monitor on mage

then i log on rogue and regain sanity

[balmy condor]

my trick to that

is just not ever playing anything else

but then I just hang out here

and send half a million messages

so I guess that's worse

[winged quail]

Why play alt when could play rogue?

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marines-to-battle-brother-warhammer-40k-join-me-let's-do-this-gif-10616374235641054765

ive found

a warhammer tmog

oh, wrong chat

[winged quail]

Why play wow when no play rogue?

[hollow river]

diversify your portfolio. its more fun

[gloomy heart]

Yeah i tried being a decent mage

[winged quail]

Nah I cap my main then play other games

[gloomy heart]

should just take me out with a sniper

[clever sparrow]

oh i read the one button thing

[balmy condor]

tariffed sorry

[clever sparrow]

MAYBE MY GROUP PALADING WILL INTRUPT FROM NOW ON!!!

[balmy condor]

portfolio fucked

[clever sparrow]

thats a winnn

[balmy condor]

go next

[clever sparrow]

i cant belive it

best update ever

[balmy condor]

it will not do that

that's the list of things it wont do

[winged quail]

Good bait almost had me

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

bro is just reading a list

regardless of what it means

but it's for sure a list

[clever sparrow]

OH YES

so its shit

[hollow river]

even you played some warrior earlier this season !

[gloomy heart]

[clever sparrow]

nvm

i change my mind

[balmy condor]

yeh and then that got tariffed too

[gloomy heart]

whispyrwar

[clever sparrow]

and just hold the button

[hollow river]

i seent it with my own eyes

[balmy condor]

!warn @clever sparrow don't filter evade just cause it's a paladin :)

[hollow river]

playing other classes has been so much more fun than only playing rogue

[clever sparrow]

yes sir

what about hunters?

[balmy condor]

what about them

[clever sparrow]

they can be that too like paladins

[red schooner]

Just have a feral druid alt so when you're tired of bleed, you can do more bleed

[clever sparrow]

tbh hunters deserve being called that

[red schooner]

It's the best way

[gloomy heart]

will whispyr kill bandit and get hoc

[winged quail]

What about elephants?

[balmy condor]

I'm not gonna respond to that

[clever sparrow]

PLEASE NO

[winged quail]

Have we lost their trust?

[balmy condor]

I will kill bandit, I will not get HoC

[hollow river]

i actually played feral a lot in pvp in s1, was fun but probably a one-off for me personally

[balmy condor]

can tell you that right now

[worthy rose]

can we appreciate for a moment

[red schooner]

Nah that's what I did it's neat

[worthy rose]

how noice my ilvl is

[gloomy heart]

riot!

[balmy condor]

it's not an upgrade lmao

[worthy rose]

i should just leave my ilvl as this until the 11.1.7 boost comes

[clever sparrow]

SheeSh

[balmy condor]

why would I get it

[red schooner]

I don't PvP, but feral pve is pretty fun

[gloomy heart]

i miss her

[red schooner]

I kinda like snapshotting

[gloomy heart]

do u have myth priory trink

[balmy condor]

yes

[gloomy heart]

okay makes sense

[winged quail]

Bastard

[worthy rose]

at this point who doesnt

[balmy condor]

but even if I only had a hero priory

I still wouldn't get it

[gloomy heart]

me

[worthy rose]

apparently you need resilient 12+ all keys to get it when dinars drop

[balmy condor]

there's a whole like

25 specs

[worthy rose]

prayge for all those people who dont have 12+ keys

[balmy condor]

that could use the HoC over an assa rogue with hero signet

[gloomy heart]

mage would get it

when do they not get the loot

[clever sparrow]

fk for 6ilvl we should send craft Orders again 😭

[worthy rose]

if you wanna be an asshole you can take house of ccards as a rogue

[royal lantern]

stop being "reasonable" and "thinks about the raidteam and efficent gearing for the group"

WoW is a Solo Game afterall and you are the Protagonist

[worthy rose]

but if youre a team player youd settle for signet and let ur firends take the house of cards

[gloomy heart]

i got it first day back on heroic

[worthy rose]

i yoinked a champion track

for memes

everyone in the raid was livid

because at that point i already had my mythic signet

[royal lantern]

i mean, you get HoC if you play sub

[winged quail]

Just tell them you are swapping to Sub on god you will swap if they give you HoC

[warm vortex]

Can’t blame them

[winged quail]

Then don’t swap

[balmy condor]

it's true, I am loot council after all..... aight fair enough sorry @thick brook you're done for, house of cards dream is over

[worthy rose]

LOL

"its for subtlety trust me!"

[balmy condor]

double ping don't even care

[warm vortex]

also love whoever runs the social media

[worthy rose]

well theres your problem

the extra buttons on the mouse are facing the wrong way

we've solved this case bois

hes not using his full potential

[balmy condor]

left handed mice exist ya know

you fucking bigot

[worthy rose]

nah those dont exist

thats a myth

[warm vortex]

Yea how fucking dare you

[worthy rose]

why is it on the right side of the computer