assassination

[coral ibex]

why did you sim that

[runic hinge]

Who knows

[vast shuttle]

my bad wait

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4P7xG5quQBNKVsYjqiwFeR

its fking dog

[balmy condor]

I mean

that's what happens when you don't have raid buffs

yes

turns out you do considerably less damage without bloodlust and war buff and monk debuff and dh debuff and windfury and druid vers

[vast shuttle]

what is dtb?

[coral ibex]

dragon tempered blades

[balmy condor]

dragon tempered blades

[humble verge]

down to buttseks

[vast shuttle]

whats ur dps in single target?

[balmy condor]

simmed?

like close to 2.3 idk

[coral ibex]

wheres ur circlet

[balmy condor]

he has it, it's just dog ilvl

[coral ibex]

i think the wrong gems too

[balmy condor]

nah the gems are correct

[royal lantern]

maybe you

[balmy condor]

he just didn't do the catchup ilvl

[royal lantern]

i dont need external buffs

[coral ibex]

am i dumb or does windsinger not proc in his sim

[coral ibex]

vs my buffs

[balmy condor]

yes

your windsinger sometimes gives crit and sometimes mastery

[coral ibex]

oh it doesn't show up in the breakdown if its always 1 stat

[balmy condor]

yeh

[coral ibex]

i got it

[balmy condor]

cause it's perma buff

100% uptime is a constant buff

and his is 100% mast

[coral ibex]

makes sense

[vast shuttle]

anyone of u know a good dps guide for single target dmg?

i wanna be top dps

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

wowhead.com

[coral ibex]

ok so here's what ur gonna do

open youtube.com on your 2nd monitor

search up "whispyr rogue 11.1"

and then go to the island for cyrce's circlet and level your damn circlet while you listen

[vast shuttle]

alright

[vast shuttle]

its 658 bro

[coral ibex]

your highest potential stat stick is missing 40 ilvl

the sim says its 619

are you sure

[vast shuttle]

im sure bro

did it first thing

[balmy condor]

could just be a tooltip error I guess

[coral ibex]

weird

[balmy condor]

cause likt, it should be 658

but dunno

[coral ibex]

yea it actually shows the same for me

[balmy condor]

raidbots builds its tooltips from wowhead

[balmy condor]

very possible that it just pulled a tooltip and it broke

quick sim thing I guess idk

[coral ibex]

yea it shows correct in top gear

[vast shuttle]

wtf give me that dps

[balmy condor]

sim with raid buffs mate

[coral ibex]

bro re-sim with raid buffs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jhoc2AWd2EUA4Eh4rAA4Lp

im not doing anything secret

[vast shuttle]

cap

[ebon olive]

Is there a way to See in Logs at how much time left i applied bleeds again ?

[balmy condor]

not easily, no

[vast shuttle]

gonna wtach the vid hope it helps

[balmy condor]

[fallow dove]

guys really confused on wether I shoulder play bleed build or kingsbane for m+ both seem good and i seem a lot of people playing kingsbane also ?

[balmy condor]

fine then, I'll fucking do it for you

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eY4i52XQJGUNNGRAxuTpM7

wait for that to finish

gz on 500k dps

[balmy condor]

what key level are you doing

higher than 16/17's?

[fallow dove]

no up to 10s right now

[coral ibex]

i re-simmed with the buffs you have and im only 100k more https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eRAxtvBBNFBECReBWRxHqH

[balmy condor]

then you play bleed

[coral ibex]

+4 ilvl 100k more dps

[fallow dove]

ok perfect thanks

[vast shuttle]

still whispyr said he has 2.4

we are doing something wrong

very wrong

[balmy condor]

yeah you're undergeared

L + ratio I guess

[vast shuttle]

am i undergeared whaaat

669 is bad?

[balmy condor]

I mean guy linked his sim earlier

he's 676

200k from 7 ilvl and a mythic jastor diamond

seems about right

you're not simming low is the point

your gear is fine

[vast shuttle]

bet he sleeps 1 hour aswell

[lean plover]

he gets bugs fixed

just saying

[balmy condor]

no he just plays in a world top 30ish guild

they raid I think 4 hour/4 day

[vast shuttle]

this is my first season ever aswell on pve last year i did pvp only and had 1 year break until now. but i rlly wanna get good dps watching ur yt video soon and i will be best rogue

cause i must able to do atleast 2m right?

[sudden brook]

[inland escarp]

[balmy condor]

dude there is no fucking way right

[balmy condor]

^^^^^^

please stop being dense

[buoyant herald]

I did 2m on sludgeface the other day so yes, empirical evidence that anyone can do 2m

Case closed

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[vast shuttle]

dude idk xd is my gear rlly holding me so much back?

[alpine pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/little-cat-walking-gif-7346379499347804861

[balmy condor]

NO

[vast shuttle]

i taught it was skill issue

[balmy condor]

YOUR GEAR

IS FINE

[buoyant herald]

But my sim says I can only do 1.8m in bleed build so I’m already 10% better than perfection

[vast shuttle]

wdym by this then xd

[balmy condor]

you keep saying you're not at 2mil

[viscid spear]

But have you killed Hogger?

[balmy condor]

the sim says 2.2

you just simmed it wrong

your character is well above 2mil

[buoyant herald]

Only on classic era but I was combat spec

[viscid spear]

Combat Daggers?

[nova kelp]

Lol wth is happening in here?

[sudden brook]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[alpine pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nBdrcGYABV4aNKWK8G99e4

[buoyant herald]

Naturally, I’m not a moron

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

I'm losing it man

there are two wolves inside me

and they're both losing

[nova kelp]

Why aren't you at 2 mill yet?

[viscid spear]

Whispyr's hair is about to get 20 feet long and stand up straight

[vast shuttle]

oh i dint know sry. then i my dmg good for this gear or can imrpove more?

[balmy condor]

I.....

is what damage good where

[buoyant herald]

You can always improve my brother

[balmy condor]

so far we've just been complaining about sim dps

I have no idea what damage you're doing

I assume you could probably do more

[vast shuttle]

its so hard to learn when u have 0 idea what u do wrong iguess it comes with time

olny first season so

[buoyant herald]

Just practice then. Hit the dummies. Make sure you’re following the prio

If you link a log I’m sure someone will be happy to point out every mistake you’re making

[hidden bay]

Why are my kill timers not exactly 5 minutes in raid???? Why is there no custom time for sims??? How am I supposed to reach that numbers

[deep gyro]

[hidden bay]

Sim makes no sense at all

[balmy condor]

uhm

mr herp

[hidden bay]

Wish I would be a demonhunter, they have a working apl

[balmy condor]

simulations actually sim with a 20% variance in fight time

so when you're simming yourself on 5 minutes

it's actually a equal distribution across fight times of 4-6 minutes

so realistically, you should be able to hit kill timers that fall in the range of your simulations

[buoyant herald]

I didn’t know that, this changes everything

[hidden bay]

I can’t believe you answer serious

[balmy condor]

and if you check the simc documentation, you can also define a custom time for simulations, and change the varience

[hidden bay]

[drifting cedar]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[balmy condor]

so erm

actually

you're spreading misinformation!

off to the gulaglio or whatever the raid is called

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

I hereby condemn you to 3 hours of sitting at the bottom of the gallywix hole

[hidden bay]

Kinda busy

[balmy condor]

what happened to bros face

[distant fog]

whats the record on envenum crit hit ?

[coral ibex]

wow this guy can afford a television to watch a movie

weird flex but go off

[balmy condor]

40m

[hidden bay]

I stole it

[balmy condor]

at least in raids, could probably go higher on momma in floodgate

[coral ibex]

typical european living off his neighbors

[buoyant herald]

I hit a 36m on vexxie the other week

[coral ibex]

smh

[buoyant herald]

During amp phase

[balmy condor]

Yeah but vexie is 100% and momma is 200%

So I think realistically you could reset first boss floodgate over and over to get like 60, 61mil

If you super cheese it and max out an eye of kezan and all that shit I think 65, maybe 66 is doable

[worthy rose]

so im trying to make sense of this dinar business

if youre resilient 12+ youll get acess to all mythic trinkets from dungeon loot table

[runic hinge]

I would never disrespect big momma like that

[balmy condor]

Yes

[worthy rose]

but for raid stuff you can only get heroic stuff unless you killed it on mythic?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[buoyant herald]

Then spatter onto adds 🤯

[worthy rose]

alright

[balmy condor]

Yeah funny meme

[worthy rose]

but doesnt this inherently make dinars useless for the majority ofpeople

[balmy condor]

The adds wouldn’t be up, that’s how the amp phase works

[worthy rose]

resilient 12+ people according to raiderio is the top 8% of the mythicing playerbase

[balmy condor]

And also it’s an amp on the boss, so that wouldn’t spatter in the first place

[coral ibex]

no you can get heroic gear from clearing LFR

[worthy rose]

92% of people basically just got told to fuck themselves

i mean you can only get mythic stuff from killing the mythic boss for loot table

[balmy condor]

That’s why people are mad, yes

[coral ibex]

only mythic raid gear require mythic clears

[worthy rose]

typo when i wrote heroic

yeah

only mythic raid trinkets?

can we get mythic raid weapons?

[coral ibex]

no sorry all items

[worthy rose]

makes sense

thats what i thought

[balmy condor]

People want mythic raid items without mythic raid kills, and dinars don’t make that possible

[coral ibex]

im only thinking about trinkets and jastor tbh

[balmy condor]

So people are angry as shit

[worthy rose]

same

but i wouldnt mind a mythic weapon too

currently im using a mythic shadowskean and crafted offhand with ascendance

[balmy condor]

Why would you need another mythic weapon then

[coral ibex]

surely the emplussers who were raging yesterday are still raging because aint no way they have resilient keys

[hidden bay]

I want mythic delve trinkets

[worthy rose]

to use as offhand so i can free up the use for a second dawnthread lining embellishment

prob wont make much ofa difference at all imo

[balmy condor]

💀

[inland dirge]

still waiting for my first mythic weapon btw it's genuinely never been more over

[balmy condor]

Ain’t no way

[worthy rose]

all embellishments are about the same

[inland dirge]

all of prog without one i'm fine btw this is fine

[worthy rose]

im currently running an ascendance and dawnthread

[balmy condor]

Bro spending dinars on side grades to craft more shit

Crazy work

[worthy rose]

iunno

[coral ibex]

why not writhing band

[worthy rose]

i think my gear is about as good as it gets

[earnest remnant]

skill issue

[worthy rose]

i believe whether incorrectly or not double dawnthread is top from sims

[earnest remnant]

just go kill them

[worthy rose]

but not by a big margin

[balmy condor]

Did you finally get one?

[inland dirge]

lol no

[balmy condor]

What

[balmy condor]

Dawg no :(

[hidden bay]

[inland dirge]

it's okay OAB will drop one tonight

[balmy condor]

Surely yes

[worthy rose]

double dawnthread lining being the top choice

but all embellishments are about the same

[hidden bay]

Can you stream

[worthy rose]

its not a huge diff

[balmy condor]

I mean, is it though

[worthy rose]

back in season 1 i think it was

but again it wasnt a huge difference so it wasnt that big of a deal

[balmy condor]

Maybe for m+ gear setups but you’d take blessed grip probably

[worthy rose]

so i was toying with he idea of runnig double dawnthread this time

[balmy condor]

Dog is it season 1 or nah

[worthy rose]

embellishments dont make that much of a diff between each other tho

is blessed weapon grip the optimal choice?

i could recraft

[balmy condor]

I mean if we’re talking about squeezing 0.1% more out of crafts then typically weapon grip is better yes

But that’s a sim question

If you sneeze funny you might get 500 dps more out of some other embellishment idk

[inland dirge]

i do but you might die of cringe watching my terrible gameplay so

[worthy rose]

currently ive been copying exactly what chainbleed has been doing on murlok

LOL

[balmy condor]

Incredible work, almost vomited, held it in though

5/7

[worthy rose]

why the hate on chainbleed

[balmy condor]

57 minutes Mr herp

Comcast surely

[hidden bay]

Get your shit together

[balmy condor]

Idk who tf that is, I’m hating on murlok lmao

[hidden bay]

I just went to bed

[worthy rose]

oh

[hidden bay]

I need something to watch

[worthy rose]

hes top 3rd rogue assassination for mythic dungeons appareently

according to murlok at least

zeross shot up to #2

[balmy condor]

Good for him I guess

[worthy rose]

jus tbeen copying what he does from looking at the wowarmory

[balmy condor]

[worthy rose]

my gear is almost a 1:1 replica of his

LOL

memes

[hidden bay]

Zeross that guy who’s cooking crazy builds but they aren’t supported by sims cuz our tc guys are lazy fkkkk

[runic hinge]

I wish someone would copy me

[balmy condor]

Dude you’re actually ragebaiting right

Just copying wowarmory from some random dude

This is diabolical

What am I reading

Today has been nothing but psychic damage

[worthy rose]

damn was it too obvious

[runic hinge]

They udnersim cause our tcs are lazy and don’t know hot to play rogue

[balmy condor]

Why do you fks hate me so much

[worthy rose]

im mostly at the mercy of whatever drops i get from vault

on the bright side thank fuck we are getting an ilvl boost soon

my crafted pieces gonna get a free ride up to 681

not looking forward to the mad gilded farm coming soon tho

[coral ibex]

well you'll have plenty of crests just from filling ur vault already

[worthy rose]

yeah exactly

its not so bad

[coral ibex]

if you do 12's that's 160

[worthy rose]

but i think crafting pieces now would be the go

currently jus tbeen helping friend sfill thier vault 10's

some might call them rats

[fallow canopy]

Ready to do some updated bis lists for new patch?

[lean plover]

How arent you in a mental hospital atp

[worthy rose]

can someone explain to be how tf is wowhead saying the mechanocore amplifier is the best in slot trinket

considering the other options available

[coral ibex]

the guide writer smokes crack for fun

[worthy rose]

that makes alotta sense

[hidden bay]

Idk shits cooked, saying some heroic delve trinket is better than vexie mythic trinket

[worthy rose]

there is in no concievable way this is better than a mythic seaforium or something

[desert crest]

Did u run a sim?

[worthy rose]

yeah

mechanocore doesnt run that high

[worthy rose]

does bloodmallet count as a sim

its based off sim data so id say it prob does

[desert crest]

Yeah it is not perfectly accurate tho

[vast shuttle]

anyone show me how to make a good sim for dungeon slice top gear?

[desert crest]

Yeah pacemaker is definitely better when on myth track

I think Whispyr hates making the bis list

[coral ibex]

bro what am i reading

[worthy rose]

yeah id imagine so too just off the fact that assassination loves crit rating

[restive glade]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[worthy rose]

mechanocore boosting highest or lowest substat probably means its going to boost mastery or versatility

[runic hinge]

Assa loves all stats

[desert crest]

if ur highest stat is not ur best stat u are doing something wrong tho

[worthy rose]

true

[desert crest]

most of the time atleast

[worthy rose]

mastery is always useful

versatility i dont know

its good but i dont know if its THAT good

[restive glade]

anyone know if devlin wa shows lingering darkness? I dont see it in sc and current wa im using "feldera" doesnt show it (i would add it but idk and dont feel like figuring out)

[desert crest]

No it is 0.8% worse but that is quite close tbh

considering the ilvl diff

[coral ibex]

bro please

[balmy condor]

I know history repeats itself

but 2 hours is crazy

[haughty flicker]

yeah wild it took that long

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

I hope you have to take sockets for the rest of the tier

[worthy rose]

now thats a sick burn

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

be quiet you

you're the reason I want to die

[drifting cloud]

are you raiding today whisp

[balmy condor]

yeah

maybe kill today

but idk, dk is out for the first half

will be rough

[worthy rose]

do ug uys think theyll take away the 3k mythic rating reward once the ilvl boost comes?

[drifting cloud]

I will be there

[worthy rose]

il prob push the last 50 rating i need for 3k when the ilvl boost is here

should make life super easy

[runic hinge]

It’s a seasonal achievement so why would they take it away halfway through the season?

[worthy rose]

excellent

[balmy condor]

we can bitch about ranged add damage for 3 hours

[worthy rose]

iunno i just thought with the ilvl boost it might maek it too easy

but if they dont that would bep erfect

[balmy condor]

ryler x herp x whispyr bonding time

[tacit hedge]

Anyone able to do log reviews? For some reason I'm losing on a bunch of dps in Heroic Gally and I'm not sure why

[drifting cloud]

time for some vanish shenanigans on far adds?

[balmy condor]

no

unironically to hit the dps check

I have to sit boss

herp's master plan to get me back onto boss

it's all coming together

[drifting cloud]

[bright moth]

Is heroic jastor diamond better then any other myth track ring?

[balmy condor]

probably yeh

[bright moth]

Boo hate that

[spice surge]

Why

Can just buy it with dinars anyway

[balmy condor]

we always hate when giga powerful rings are giga powerful and we can't take ilvl gains

[hidden bay]

I did some work stuff and it’s almost time

I am happy

[balmy condor]

but then when I say ilvl is the only important thing

and secondaries are fake

then I'm the bad guy

[hidden bay]

you are always the bad guy

[balmy condor]

impossible to win

only way to win is not play the game

[coral ibex]

honestly i much prefer to be an ilvl spec and not a 1 stat spec

[balmy condor]

uninstalling rn

[coral ibex]

my raid's mage was farming a dungeon on m0 to get a specific haste ring at the start of the season

instead of just using higher ilvl stuff

insane

[hidden bay]

Why are my 658 wrists with socket same dps as my 678 without socket thought secondaries don’t matter

[drifting cloud]

its for better ilvl logs

[hidden bay]

[glass grotto]

When rupturing with indiscriminate carnage, can you just do it all on the initial target mob if there are lets say 6 mobs?

Will it spread to the missing targets that way?

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

raid time hits

time to go lag!

[hidden bay]

I can’t read this chart

Is this good or bad

[haughty flicker]

im seeing red

[balmy condor]

red means my internet is gone

[haughty flicker]

and red = bad

so

[balmy condor]

yellow means it was semi gone

[coral ibex]

red = DOOM
green = BOOM

[hidden bay]

More green than yellow or red, you should be fine

[dawn kelp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WwTPatXYNzVcJqfj?fight=8&type=damage-done&source=419

Can i get some help on this log. Hold strat for lust + doing a Jail at end of fight. Also know I missed lingering+shiv at the end

[idle inlet]

do we delay sending cds in the opener on stix so that first intermission doesnt delay kb?

[hidden bay]

Race change voidelf

Actively Rupture the rocketeer and Elektro guy

Aside from that pray you don’t get jail as non voidelf

[dawn kelp]

yeye did that

maybe im just cooked

[worthy rose]

this may be a dumb question but say in a mythic

should i even bother tab targetting to spread ruptures from IC

or just send it on the first target and yolo

[coral ibex]

you gotta wait for the moroes message to scroll off bro

[snow hamlet]

[worthy rose]

tbh im just madge that i saw a video of whispyrs doing the mage tower legion thing so easily and gettin ghis challenge appearances

i tried it 3 times and i died coz i had no idea what i was doing

he made it look too easy

[balmy condor]

that video was from like

2 expacs ago

it's even easier now I think

they nerfed it like 3x since

[worthy rose]

alright buddy im gonna have to crank hte brainrot up to 999

[haughty flicker]

it was having scaling issues at the start of tww making it significantly harder than it should be

[drifting cloud]

theres some enchants

[haughty flicker]

idk if it still has those issues

[drifting cloud]

that make it turbo free

[haughty flicker]

but yeah there are some items that just break it anyway

[worthy rose]

i dont think thers a point in even doing the mage tower anymore

[balmy condor]

just equip circlet with healing gems

[drifting cloud]

and no I dont know what they are, use google

[worthy rose]

i wanted the valeera kingslayer daggers kin

[balmy condor]

should be invincible

[worthy rose]

but i dont think its possible

everywhere i read says the legion challenge skins arent available anymore

[balmy condor]

heal gems in your circlet should be just crazy insano heal

[worthy rose]

to be fair i think im supposed to walk over the rune sigils from sigrid

and i didnt

and i got oneshot

3 times

[coral ibex]

whispyr do you only stream on twitch

i thought you were on yt too

[drifting cloud]

they arent, the new mage tower gives armor transmog

[haughty flicker]

the weapon appearances are no longer available

[worthy rose]

😦

i will never get my valeera daggers

thats unfortunate

my dream is gone

my day is ruined

any other daggers that have a clos enough apperance

[nova kelp]

The ghost daggers?

I use these all the time. I'm so glad I got them then. Imo it's silly when they time gate things permanently like that. You should still be able to get them

[worthy rose]

hmm can i get a screenshot

or the name

i think teh shards of azzinoth from BT is closeish too

but fuck the kingslayer challenge appearance were THE daggers she uses/used

[tame pebble]

ok question for the shiv macro i dont understand why we use it tea and shiv at the same time

[worthy rose]

im fairly sure because thistle tea boosts mastery

and for assassination mastery boosts poison damage

and shiv does poison stuff

[hidden bay]

Yes

[coral ibex]

you macro it to shiv because you always press shiv during your kingsbane

and so you always get +100 energy during your cooldown

and then you always generate 1 stack of tea in line with your kingsbane

what matters the most is the energy

[tame pebble]

ty guys ❤️

[keen spruce]

[worthy rose]

damn we all answered a serious question

we must go back to thebrainrot for whispyrs sanity

[dusty ocean]

Sorry if this has been answered before but I did not see it in here. Is there a weak aura to track the two Envenom buffs/charges separately?

[lean plover]

whispyr wa pack does it nicely

[tame pebble]

whats the stinkiest poison ?

[spice surge]

You play the poisons you talent into

[hallow glade]

sd killed two yes men

lfg

[spice surge]

📈 Timesaver3000

[tame pebble]

oops srry was trying to ask a brinrot question

[amber brook]

Is it possible to kill all 4 yes man in a single bleed tick with demise

just for the lols?

[worthy rose]

cinderbrew meadery?

me and my friends were memeing around and we killed two at the smae time by sheer coincidence

📈

mad efficiency

[tame pebble]

4 monks can tod

[worthy rose]

next time gonna try 4 at the same time

ngl tho is it just me

or does it feel like this season has gotten a lot eaiser

a +12 today is like what a +10 was last season

[cinder geode]

maybe ur just a better player than last season

[tame pebble]

[worthy rose]

quite possible too

i was playing shadow priest last season

was not a very good time

[haughty flicker]

ok so uh

sprocket is not going well so far

[worthy rose]

pretty sure heroic sprocket is harder than aotc

pugging it that is

[thorn thorn]

Whats the matter

[haughty flicker]

raid is colorblind

its ok its first night

[thorn thorn]

Actually or is that a meme

[coral ibex]

thaddius is a raid boss in vanilla world of warcraft

from 20 years ago

shit aint changed

[haughty flicker]

idk some of them are colorblind i think

[drifting cloud]

lucky for them you only need to get first one right, then the weakaura will tell you with sound!

[hidden bay]

[haughty flicker]

im getting lucky coin every pull

fatebound is ez

[coral ibex]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

so happy for you

[worthy rose]

fatebound?

in this economy?

[tame pebble]

fatebound my beloved

[cinder geode]

do yall still run MA and improved garrote? Ive been using vv but MA sims like 100k higher

[spring dome]

Ive done two different motherloads and something of mine has been pulling additional yellow mobs before the skip after finishing the first pull and fully dropping combat, any experts know what it could be?

its when i run close to them and something procs on them

[coral ibex]

could be corrupt the blood bug

[balmy condor]

better QoL, better aoe, better execute

it's literally freelo

[tame pebble]

also just wondering if anyone plays vulpera here and if so what do you use for your bag of tricks corrosive vial flames of fury or sinister shadows? or does it mater

[drifting cloud]

100k sounds alot are you sure you didnt cook the sim

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

barely worth hitting the button in the first place

[amber brook]

Rik parases are healing

[worthy rose]

i read vulpera first and then i kept reading fury as furry in that sentence

[tame pebble]

[drifting cloud]

me when I played vulpera in the only tier where we had 100%+ haste

[worthy rose]

if i was to race change out of human whats hte best race for a rogue? @balmy condor

[drifting cloud]

I think it has/had like 2y aoe so I was using it as a heal when we were stacked on nzoth

[worthy rose]

is it nightelf in the event of racist tanks we can shadowmeld and stealth again?

tanks that dont let rogues stealth in between pulls are diabolical

[cinder geode]

is this referring to VV or MA?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ksissmFUqCGSKsDELktCz8

[balmy condor]

vv

[balmy condor]

the pretty one

[balmy condor]

they're playing optimally

you shouldn't be getting restealths

[runic hinge]

I am Nelf so I can wear the OAB ring and flip

[worthy rose]

💀

lack of stealth makes me a sad rogue

[drifting cloud]

did you import from armory

[tacit hedge]

If anyone is able could I please have assistance on this log? Other Assa rouges are hitting 2.5 mill on Heroic Gally and I'm way behind for some reason

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NWG4RF2nB9Q8XYqK?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=10

[cinder geode]

What does import from armory mean

[drifting cloud]

its not simming +100k your base sim has some jank with it

I think its the circlet with no gems

or something

since just the ring swap is +108k

[spice surge]

Your "pure ST" build doesnt have kingsbane

[cinder geode]

Its ring swap plus talent swap

thatll do it LOL

thank u lemme redo it

[drifting cloud]

oh.

[mystic crest]

Kingsbane haters rise up

[cinder geode]

The MA build is still ahead but only by 15k now

[hot olive]

did they change how evasion worked with the amplifier on rik?

[solid copper]

In a 8+ pull am I tab targeting for garrote and rupture for as many targets as possible?

[dapper cradle]

Yeah you can’t evasion it anymore

Rip

Pin in outlaw channel

[haughty flicker]

sprocket is revealing a lot of terrorists

wow

[inland escarp]

I use a mouse over macro so I don’t lose my mark target

[spice surge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[runic hinge]

You’re revealing yourself? Where???

[haughty flicker]

i'll have you know i was only a terrorist on the very first pull

this fight is boring as fuck as melee

the most interesting part is wondering who will knock you off next

[drifting cloud]

you a CE guild?

surely sprocket is just 10x easier version of court, but yeah takes a bit of adjusting at the start

but still shouldnt be that much of an issue

[haughty flicker]

supposedly

this is my first tier with this guild

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[hexed root]

can someone explain how caustic spatter should be working on mugzee?

I can't seem to make it consistently hit both gaols

[drifting cloud]

not your fault then, tank/raid marker issue

theres a pin if you scroll down

[hexed root]

is it based on when they spawn? because even if I move i cant get them

i know the picture if thats what you're referring to

[drifting cloud]

yeah its not easy getting it right but if your raid runs like 2 rogues should probably ask the raid leader to try to fix it

since youre losing quite a bit of free dmg

[hexed root]

ill try to grab screengrabs when its not making sense to me

had one where I was hitting a faaaarrrrr gaol and the close one wasnt

we're running just the 1 rogue

sometimes placement is 100% the cause, others i'm just ???

[balmy condor]

the image doesn't apply to mug'zee

mug'zee doesn't have a large enough hitbox

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/حزين-جدا-gif-24180153

[balmy condor]

that's why it's gallywix as an example

and not mug'zee

[hexed root]

anyway to make it more consistent on mugzee?

[balmy condor]

no

[hexed root]

ouch

[balmy condor]

it's purely a range check from mug'zee

[haughty flicker]

yell at your tanks

[runic hinge]

Tell your tanks to get good

[haughty flicker]

scream profanities

and slurs

[hexed root]

is it the tanks? i assume it's the people dropping the jails

[haughty flicker]

until they do it right

[balmy condor]

legit just based on mug'zee and gaol position

if gaols are too far out, doomed

[drifting cloud]

its usually the ground markers

[balmy condor]

if mug'zee isn't there

dooemd

[drifting cloud]

but yeah with 1 rogue doesnt matter that much, depends if youre progging with 4 heal speed strat

if its 5heal you dont even want to kill the jail before boots anyways, or theres no real reason to

[hexed root]

we're 4 healing, just 1 rogue

[turbid wraith]

I think I asked this before but I forgot the answer so does the aoe assasssination does in keys warrant the poopy butt single target

[hexed root]

we're still holding jail before boots

[fierce tulip]

Is there tech for Mug'zee where u can caustic splatter through the walls

[hexed root]

the ST feels better for me in the bleed spec vs hybrid

[hexed root]

kinda what im trying to figure out but i dont think so

[turbid wraith]

Im outlaw pilled so Im just thinking of trying iit more

[hexed root]

seems only to apply on spawn and moving breaks it

[balmy condor]

it is the spec of choice, so

yeah I guess so

[sudden brook]

U can try the zeroes build for less aoe more ST

I tried it it's kind of annoying in low keys cuz shit just explodes

U dont do 1.5m st

So its up to u

[turbid wraith]

I dont do anything below 10 unless that counts as low

[drifting cloud]

youll have your answer this weekend with mdi

[turbid wraith]

whats this supposed build?

[sudden brook]

Its a dungeon build with KB

[drifting cloud]

yeah dont play that build on below like 14-15 not worth the mental

IMO

[runic hinge]

Ryler will you do a 15 with me

[drifting cloud]

no

[haughty flicker]

oof

[drifting cloud]

my rio starts with a 3 im done with keys, well apparently I need to do a 12 for dinar vendor

[sudden brook]

Shit just dies u in ur KB on shit build

[fierce tulip]

i just tried it and it worked

[sudden brook]

In low keys shit just dies in ur carnage

[hexed root]

i'd assume you have all 12s at 3k

[hexed root]

?

[drifting cloud]

nope I got 1 dungeon at 10

[hexed root]

whats the tech?

[balmy condor]

Assisted Rotation Tool

The rotation for the one-button rotation helper coming next patch has been translated into sims, and some initial numbers are in (it's really bad).

The logic is just really bad and it's spamming poisoned knife atm so maybe it gets better

[balmy condor]

having tech for something you can't control is crazy

literally just how the ability works

what are we doing

[drifting cloud]

maybe the tech was he was going to send them your isp if they dont comply

[balmy condor]

a fate worse than death truly

[fierce tulip]

yeah the tech was just scream at the tanks for my extremely minor dmg increase

[drifting cloud]

if you turn off dmg numbers you wont know if its not hitting

+mental points

[hexed root]

one like this feels like it should've hit both

but knowing it's not my fault kinda helps

[hexed root]

how does this compare to hekili? xD

[balmy condor]

hope it helps

[drifting cloud]

well if its spamming poisoned knife im guessing hekili clears

[fast phoenix]

rik reverb mythic as sin is nooooot fun lol

[balmy condor]

hekili is way better

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[hidden bay]

Looks like some logs which get posted here

[hexed root]

this confuses me

[hidden bay]

Poisoned knife cp generator

[runic hinge]

We love poisoned knife

[sudden brook]

dude

[sudden brook]

Literally what is confusing

Mugzee is way closer to the left wall

and not the right

He has to be in the center,

[balmy condor]

I gotchu hold on

[drifting cloud]

im trying ok

[turbid wraith]

yo this mf build aint got no imp garrote?

fr no cap?

[balmy condor]

yeh

whack as shit

[runic hinge]

Poison knife has guaranteed poison applications right? Tbh it’s super bis

[drifting cloud]

im gonna poison you (outside of game)

[hexed root]

i thought there was a circle around us and the target

is it just the target?

[turbid wraith]

So do I use it on cd during carnage then jork it after?

[runic hinge]

Please do

[hexed root]

i know you said mugzee picture isn't accurate

[runic hinge]

It’s just the target if the boss hit box is small

[hexed root]

but thought as long as a target is in blue circle, and in yellow circle, should be good

[balmy condor]

mugzee aint thick enough

[hexed root]

not both within yellow

just feels awkward hitting the further mob over the closer one but ill try to accept it

so there's not a circle around us, its based off the target yea?

[balmy condor]

you just don't get how it works

correct

mugzee is PURE boss position

nothing else

like the issue right

is this part

the blue/yellow overlap

is the overlap between 12 yards from you, and the melee range of the boss

so on huge ass gallywix shit, the yellow circle is huge

for mugzee, the yellow circle is inside the red circle

so the overlap is already entirely contained in the red circle

[hexed root]

i was under the impression adds within both circles could be targets

based off this

[runic hinge]

Think like blood bound horror where the boss hitbox overlapped the adds but the adds didn’t get hit by spatter. Now they will. If the boss hit box is small it doesn’t overlap

It just has to be within 12 yards

[mystic osprey]

poisoned knife meta?

[balmy condor]

the blue and yellow overlap is entirely within the red

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-pointing-nod-gif-13127635

[hexed root]

i appreciate ya

[balmy condor]

np

I'll tweak the pin to be more clear

idk how yet but I'll try kek

[heavy jolt]

how important is sanguine blades single target

like m+ bosses

[hexed root]

this edit makes sense i think haha

[balmy condor]

ya the next paragraph explains how and why

but not clear idk

[hexed root]

💯

[balmy condor]

(that was already there)

(I just added the trigger caps)

[hexed root]

thats fair, i'll eventually learn to read one of these decades

[onyx falcon]

we should definately follow the single-button rotation and use poisoned knife in our rotation 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeh funny bug

obviously it shouldn't be using that

but it's hilarious that it does

[barren yarrow]

A single button rotation?

what did I miss lol

[coral ibex]

native one button hekili

next patch

[balmy condor]

yeh

base game hekili

[barren yarrow]

Whaaaatttt

like official blizzard shit?

[coral ibex]

yes

[barren yarrow]

wtf

[coral ibex]

go to the world of warcraft youtube channel

watch the video from today

[barren yarrow]

ok

[austere flame]

why are we taking tiny toxic over Arterial Precision

[barren yarrow]

dude that like defeats the whole fun of learning a class

[austere flame]

for energy purpose?

[gaunt quiver]

Spec?

[balmy condor]

slightly better ST for sprocketmonger for most

but yeh the 1 button is strange

it's good for the game though

cause like even if I fix the rotation, and add in the 0.2s bonus gcd

it's uh

really shit

[runic hinge]

Built in hekili I think will be good for the game but the one button will be good for accessibility for handicapped people

[balmy condor]

well that's the same thing

one button is hekili

[barren yarrow]

So basically you can opt in they’re not forcing you to use the rotation helper is what I got

[balmy condor]

ofc not lmao

forcing a one button macro

[barren yarrow]

so wtf they’re trying to get rid of basically all weak auras and addons

[balmy condor]

yes

[barren yarrow]

damn

dude ppl are gonna lose their jobs

[balmy condor]

they're also working on a baseline DBM/big wigs

[runic hinge]

I thought there was the two different things. Maybe I need to learn to read

[barren yarrow]

from their creations good bye patreon

[nocturne quail]

inb4 their version is still shit but plater and dbm get banned

[runic hinge]

One was the macro and then a rotation helper on screen

[barren yarrow]

nooo I like bigwigs and DBM

dude wtf

[balmy condor]

plater and details as well yeh

[barren yarrow]

NO!

bro their plater UI is fucking awful I’m blind as fuck and it looks a mess

[coral ibex]

better get to posting on X The Everything App

[balmy condor]

idea is that they make their own version of in-game plater/details/bigwigs, and then ban the shit those addons rely on

[barren yarrow]

Yep

they know how much business outside of theirs is being created

imagine how much atrocity makes through his UI alone

[balmy condor]

okay?

what does that matter to blizzard

[barren yarrow]

it’s multi millions blizzard is losing out on.

[balmy condor]

HUH?

do you understand how money works

where would blizzard be getting this money from

[barren yarrow]

no no

[barren yarrow]

I’m saying. If they intend on making their own version then ban people from being able to create their own.

[worthy rose]

time to make some money

[balmy condor]

yes, which is good for the game

[worthy rose]

i dotn think blizzard will ever make a better hekili than hekili

[balmy condor]

it lowers barrier of entry

[barren yarrow]

I agree to that

[balmy condor]

and blizzard doesn't have to arms-race addons

like wa's deleting entire mechanics

[barren yarrow]

yeah. No wait for raid updates

it’s already there

dude so true

raid comes out you already have your raid frames and timers

my only question is will there be a level of customization

[runic hinge]

Probably

[balmy condor]

I mean you'll be able to move it around and stuff

[runic hinge]

Edit mode gets better every patch

Imagine they fix nameplate stacking

[barren yarrow]

I really like my UI though which is gonna suck but I like the game better

[runic hinge]

I use whispyrs ui. What will I do

[balmy condor]

it sucks that addon creators won't be making money off their work anymore, but also hard truth is that if you were relying on the money from making wow addons you're cooked to begin with kinda

[barren yarrow]

Yeahhhh

[nocturne quail]

can they even tho ?

[barren yarrow]

that’s huge facts

[balmy condor]

blizzard's been talking about deleting addons for literally years now

it was only a matter of time

[runic hinge]

I don’t know

[barren yarrow]

which is why I work at Toyota repairing cars lol 😆

[nocturne quail]

would be pog tho

[barren yarrow]

ALSO

fps would get better

[balmy condor]

I'll bring my girl's rav4 to you next time

[barren yarrow]

no more memory usage other than the game

[coral ibex]

on the last sprocket reclear until after gally

fuck fatebound

[runic hinge]

I think Zac or zeross tried to talk to someone who works on plater about it and they said it was unfixable with how Blizz handles them now so it would be up to blizzard to change it if possible

[balmy condor]

deleting elvui was like 40 fps during dragonflight

[coral ibex]

all my homies hate fatebound

[balmy condor]

was very cool

[barren yarrow]

yeahhhh. I’ve gotta get rid of that shit now

[balmy condor]

I'm getting like 135 fps during raids

it's neat

base UI good

[runic hinge]

Did you play fatebound?

[coral ibex]

HELL NO

[barren yarrow]

UHHHH I like that a lot lol

[coral ibex]

VV deathstalker

[runic hinge]

lol

[barren yarrow]

I get like 30

do you think they’d still let us keep details though? 🙃

[balmy condor]

just sitting in dorn

[balmy condor]

they literally said they're replacing it

[barren yarrow]

Deng

[nocturne quail]

fucking nasa computer plugged straight into the servers

[barren yarrow]

Ah ok I gotta watch the whole video

dude wtf kind of pc do you have

[balmy condor]

if I were plugged straight into the servers I might be able to stream

but no

comcast exists

[haughty flicker]

[barren yarrow]

oooo big facts

Verizon fan boy over here

and I have Ethernet I love it

[balmy condor]

3080ti

and uh

7800x3d

and uh

[coral ibex]

i get like 30-50 in raid

the x3d chip goes insane

[barren yarrow]

damn not bad at all

[coral ibex]

for wow

its the x3d

plus no elvui

[barren yarrow]

I got the 4080

[coral ibex]

but mostly the x3d

[balmy condor]

yeh

x3d is huge

[nova kelp]

300 fps sitting in dorn is pretty wild

[balmy condor]

idk what my ram is

[barren yarrow]

x3d CPU?

[nova kelp]

I think I raid at like 160 though

[barren yarrow]

if you do run mxconfig it should tell you

[balmy condor]

I was running 128gb of 7000 ram but it was insano unstable and now it's not that idk

[barren yarrow]

oh wow lol

[coral ibex]

i have 96gb of ram, a 4080, and a 13600k

my cpu is holding me back for wow

but cba to drop stacks to fix it

[balmy condor]

amd chips are so finnicky with their memory

yeah I clocked down to 64gb of 4800

is what it is

unlucko

[nova kelp]

To be fair your GPU isn't doing much lifting in wow
It's all your cpu

[barren yarrow]

yeah

maybe they finally change that too lol

[runic hinge]

Maybe I download more ram

[barren yarrow]

Good idea

[balmy condor]

oh it's a 4x 6000 set

and I'm using 2x of it at 4800

[barren yarrow]

Oh snazzy

soooo don’t do that then

[balmy condor]

CL30's as well

it's good sticks

[barren yarrow]

oh yeah

[balmy condor]

but too unstable with all 4

[barren yarrow]

that’s crazy lol

I need a fucking micro center near me

[balmy condor]

it was like a 700$ kit

got it from a guy

I know a guy

[barren yarrow]

👀

this guy

Does he have a name!

[nova kelp]

It's his side boi

[barren yarrow]

damnit

[low thicket]

Any faster and you might take off

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbo-big-ears-disney-cartoons-old-movies-gif-10526519

[balmy condor]

@inland dirge THATS MY FUCKING GOAT

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747561446539395205/1225450138269519923/4x.gif

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

gzgzgzgz

[inland dirge]

i am not okay though

yay but daggerless

[runic hinge]

We’ll get em next time

[inland dirge]

surely in vault

[runic hinge]

Yes definitely

[inland dirge]

my guild is trolling my ass, telling me to take one with dinar

i will go the entire tier without it if that's what it takes

gotta stand on business

[runic hinge]

[hidden bay]

Just drop one or?

Last altraid rik dropped 2 and had no rogue in, so they went with tmog

[white lance]

hey, yes i added lingering darkness in the latest update

[balmy condor]

herp has a couple stashed away, if you ask nicely and suck his toes he'll give you one

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/be-strong-jim-carry-valet-gif-15356384

[hidden bay]

I actually do

Have bandit, rik and vault one

[keen spruce]

[inland dirge]

[inland dirge]

not to be drastic but i'll suck on much more than just toes for a dagger if you're picking up what i'm putting down

[balmy condor]

could be us (you're the rat)

[coral ibex]

new garf dropped??

holy

need that

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

wow thanks for not inviting me to the private garf emote server

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-shoot-angry-gif-25588859

[balmy condor]

literally just added it to my discord 2 minutes ago

idk where tony got it from

[haughty flicker]

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

nooj noobbozo

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

CURSED

WTF

[balmy condor]

what the fuck did you do

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

yoinking that toooooo............

[coral ibex]

ok im saved

[runic hinge]

It’s @subtle fractal’s server

He’s my garf hookup

[keen spruce]

add that garf to quak plz

[coral ibex]

i have servers i use for spell icons

[keen spruce]

steal all of the garfs

[coral ibex]

i added them to that

[runic hinge]

When I get home I think it’s a pain in mobile

[coral ibex]

fat envenom on sprocket clear tn

[runic hinge]

You also only got 5 slots left

[keen spruce]

i just deleted some

the fkin

[runic hinge]

Okie

[keen spruce]

long ass mochi

taking up all of the emote slots

[runic hinge]

Whaaat

Gotta keep it

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

[coral ibex]