assassination

[mystic meadow]

Is it worth crafting a second weapon for assa?

[balmy condor]

no

[runic hinge]

no, offhand has the least amount of stats and doesnt affect ability damage, you should craft anything else

[mystic meadow]

ah okay thanks for the tip then I craft a cloak or someting

[rotund oak]

Im into neck crafting but waiting on gilded atm

easy sockets

[gloomy heart]

[sharp viper]

I love it, finally

[red schooner]

Just watch they'll make deathmark parryable instead

Balance in all things

[sharp viper]

every time kingsbane got parried on progress bosses I wanted to immediately jump off the nearest ledge (in game?)

[quasi hill]

Hey guys, is bleed build competitive in 12/13 pug ?

[sharp viper]

yes

[quasi hill]

The difference is, less ramp ?

[sharp viper]

I mean deathmark is still the only offensive CD that is only on (one) enemy and poofs if they're gone, so we got that design choice to balance things out

[red schooner]

Happened to me 2 pulls on a row on queen. Almost logged out for the night

[sharp viper]

oof, had it happen a few times on queen, one time because one tank overaggro'd the other and boss turned around early

[barren zenith]

any gamers mind taking a look at a m+ log of mine on bleed? not sure if I'm over garroting/rupturing in mass aoe situations during IC windows. feel like on lower keys I do better (obviously because less pressure/less risks of dying etc), and would like to know how to best deal with such situations if possible

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/view/you-a-bit-late-youre-late-tardy-behind-schedule-showed-up-late-gif-14097830

[patent iron]

I've never actually used Iron Wire.

does it have an aoe silence compoent?

[red schooner]

Yeah when used with indiscriminate carnage.

Applies the silence onto every mob hit with it

[patent iron]

sweeeeeeet

[sharp viper]

sorry for sleeping

[bronze pike]

@ Whisper

What is the average parse we can expect when using the rotation helper in game addon?

[humble verge]

grey logs

[iron vapor]

Rotation helper as in Hekili?

Absolute dog shit parses. Smooth brain, extra chromosome, flat earther, chemtrail tier parses.

[bronze pike]

I know your awake

[red schooner]

Rotation helper as in the one button thing blizzard are adding

[bronze pike]

I can smell you

[iron vapor]

Oh, that may be better - but we don't know yet do we

[red schooner]

I have doubts

But, we'll see

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-gif-24496450

[red schooner]

My raid leader has already said if he catches anyone trying it in raid they're getting immediately benched

[iron vapor]

Hoooold up,is that just going to give a single button to spam and it'll pick the spells for you?

[hot flicker]

Can you edit the rotation of spells it does?

[red schooner]

Yes

But with a slight GCD delay

[iron vapor]

Hahaha yeah I'm rolling ret pala, Let's goooo

[red schooner]

No clue yet

[hot flicker]

Might be equal to manual play Tbf

Considering we are humans and will make mistakes

This button will not

Just for a 0.2 sec delay

[iron vapor]

Absolutely no way will that be allowed.

[red schooner]

Ret Pala already has the rotation helper, every button you need to hit fucking glows

[iron vapor]

But that means moving my fingers from one button to another.

[hot flicker]

Ret already has a single button rotation

Divine storm

Pack deadage

[iron vapor]

If I can just spam a side button on my mouse...

[hot flicker]

I mean i dont see the issue if they give you this button but increase mechanical intensity

On mobs/bosses

[iron vapor]

Even better, bind to mouse wheel up/down

[iron vapor]

I see the issue, the game becomes 'dodge the mechanic' and not 'learn your class'.

[hot flicker]

I had a tank we raided mythic before who actually constructed a 1 button macro

That actually did his whole rotation on 1 button

[iron vapor]

What a hero

[hot flicker]

He bound it to his W key

Was madness

[iron vapor]

I reckon I'd bind it to A & D and just vibrate on the spot.

Either way, the rotation helper will be dogturd.

[red schooner]

Legit I'm terrified that several people on my team will just toggle it on and try to hide it

[hot flicker]

Some people need it for sure

[humble verge]

i feel for tanks its pretty fine

esp like prot warrior, feels like they are just pressing what glows most of the time - maybe im wrong

[balmy condor]

the gcd increase is pretty brutal to be fair

[humble verge]

.2 seconds aint it

[balmy condor]

I think 0.2 probably less impactful for casters and stuff

but man

outlaw with +0.2%

[humble verge]

for us its ass

or yeah

outlaw

[balmy condor]

you just actually lose like 20% of your damage straight up

[humble verge]

im sure if we use the one button in DM push, we miss out on one charged kb hit

[balmy condor]

they could've honestly just slapped a 10-15% damage done reduction on it and it would've been the same thing

[humble verge]

kek

honestly asking

[balmy condor]

I mean it doesn't matter for KB specifically

but you just do less muts/envenom during shiv

[humble verge]

how many hits are you guys getting with kb

[royal lantern]

whisp, why did you hide the REAL opener from us btw

[balmy condor]

which is also ass

[balmy condor]

yes yes funny meme of video showing random jumble of skills very haha

[humble verge]

i feel you can only get 4 hits in kb window

[royal lantern]

yes

[balmy condor]

chat what is bro talking about

[red schooner]

Tryan, sprocket prog last night, guess which spec was the one consistently yeeting people off of the platform

[royal lantern]

boomkin

[balmy condor]

havoc obviously

[red schooner]

YUP

[balmy condor]

[red schooner]

It's always the fucking chickens

[humble verge]

im tryna figure out how many hits you guys are getting in kb window

[red schooner]

I swear

[balmy condor]

how many hits of fucking what

[humble verge]

full combo hits

with envenom

[balmy condor]

it's rng?

[royal lantern]

3

my answer is 3

dont question it, 3

[humble verge]

idk, ive figured out 4

[balmy condor]

typically you get 2 per shiv cause you can spend the superchargers before the end

[red schooner]

Nah our havoc was very well behaved on sprocket to the shock of everyone

[humble verge]

yeah

[balmy condor]

but where is this going

[humble verge]

idk

[balmy condor]

idk either

[humble verge]

my answer questioned

[balmy condor]

who is tracking that

[humble verge]

i see people who track kb damage as WA

[balmy condor]

yeah but they do that for dopamine of big number

[humble verge]

kek

[red schooner]

His name says he asks stupid questions, idk what we were expecting

[balmy condor]

yeah true mb

forgor

[humble verge]

whisp forgot im the most stupid person in this discord

[balmy condor]

that is just not true

[humble verge]

somehow im raiding mugzee on mythic

[royal lantern]

hey, you have to fight me for that title

[balmy condor]

you just ask the weirdest questions

[red schooner]

we're on the sprocket wall, spend 2 hours last night barely getting past first knockback

The amount of bad drills I had to dodge was WAY TOO FUCKING HIGH

[balmy condor]

the questions you ask aren't really stupid as in dumbfuck stupid

[red schooner]

Idk I like that boss as melee though I barely do anything

[royal lantern]

dont dodge, eat them and let ranged dps getting flamed for their failures

[balmy condor]

they're stupid as in like your brain needs to be studied cause the thought process is fried

which is better

I think

idk

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/forsen-possessed-forsen-possessed-gif-25806937

[feral wasp]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[nova shadow]

14 cinder with 2xhypercharged shiv build

[humble verge]

pogga

[static glacier]

You can say that Blizz confirmed it in notes @balmy condor

[amber brook]

Whats the rotation like for the new cooked build

[nova shadow]

I do ambush > fan of knives > rupture > rupture > multilate > fok > crimson tempest > cds > nuke all the spatter/envenoms

[hot flicker]

No garrote?

[amber brook]

Aoe? would ST be raid opener but do we envenom b4 CT or CT first?

[nova shadow]

ye no garrotes only on boss I keep uptime on garrote

[amber brook]

garrote is kinda weak since the build doesnt run any tals for it

[hot flicker]

Is this a new build your talking about?

Right

[static glacier]

Which build you talking about

[amber brook]

Ross's cooked one

[static glacier]

There’s a lot of possible sin builds

Care to link? He ain’t messaged in a while

[nova shadow]

I sent a ss where I was playing zeross / casualaddict build idk who invented it

[static glacier]

I’m guessing it’s high key st focused with FI?

[hot flicker]

Isn’t bleed build still out simming all or I missed something

[nova shadow]

with this build I sim 2.75M in dungeon slice, Hyrid I sim 3.2m, and Bleed like 3.1, but if you look at the screenshot you have envenoms top 3 dps spell

[amber brook]

Think it was this?

[nova shadow]

so huge prior damage and huge st

[tawdry mica]

Guys for how long has Gallywix Trickshots been bugged? Or is it "intended" to work like that?

i'm wondering why blizzard aint doing nothing to fix that

[balmy condor]

yeh true I guess

[tawdry mica]

it's been more than a month lol

[plush wasp]

good morning guys and girls, whats the change in the m+rota now when leaving out kingsbane and playing 2 shivs?

[hot flicker]

I mostly stick to hybrid I prefer to feel impactful on bosses I know bleed build sims equal to it but it feels so bad on bosses just refreshing bleeds so I tend to choose hybrid

[nova shadow]

I know this bleed is personally the most enjoyable build for me, but after depleting infinite rookeries because of my st on last boss I switched over

[static glacier]

You tried outlaw? I’ve been doing weeklies as law bc it’s fun

[indigo sphinx]

In pins, in guide, but 2x shiv in DM, then in AoE with CT up, laugh like a criminal mastermind when sudden demise hits.

[static glacier]

Killing spree on 1st boss floodgate is peak comedy with sonic boom

[hot flicker]

I’ve seen people to drop combat hearth and change to sub for lst bit of rookery

[static glacier]

You also do real boss damage unlike sin

[nova shadow]

I have no idea how to play sub or outlaw 😄 I play rog for 2 months

[hot flicker]

Just before you drop down the hole hearth swap to sub

Sub will destroy last boss

[nova shadow]

but with the zeross build I did rookery 14 yesterday and I was 2.2m on rookery last boss and with bleed hardly around 1.3-4

[static glacier]

One time I swapped to raid build for last boss rookery and got summoned by a lock

Did like 2.3m dps on it

[hot flicker]

Yeah bleeds st doesn’t feel impactful at all

Only reason I don’t like it

[nova shadow]

it is non existing imo, if you want to rock bleed you need pumper windwaker and like arms war maybe

resto sham guardian dudu

[static glacier]

I think it’s basically the same as hybrid no?

For st

[balmy condor]

ngl I had to look up what the hell this was, the tank buster?

what's the issue with it

[nova shadow]

thats fake from my obesrvations it can do hybrid st, if you go with deathmark available and all tea's up

if you go raw

[indigo sphinx]

In 17s maybe, there are other problems going on if you need this in lower keys

[nova shadow]

you are 900k dps

[indigo sphinx]

But also ye swap sub after 2nd boss

[tawdry mica]

Apparently it's been like this since March or so according to the forums. The trick shots thing is supposed to stack up to 10 max and it resets every time the tanks taunt

[balmy condor]

so it's a burst spec without cds

[tawdry mica]

That's what the tooltip says

[balmy condor]

[tawdry mica]

Or when it reaches 10 stacks, well it just won't reset

and it pops when it reaches like 14 stacks dealing stupid raid damage

2,5mil per stack, imagine

[balmy condor]

okay

why is this an issue

it just sounds like if your tanks are absolute braindead idiots, you wipe

seems fine

[tall atlas]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[midnight mist]

weird its only kb

and not every spell in the game

might be a miss type

[balmy condor]

"miss type" might be a mistype

[midnight mist]

!

[tawdry mica]

If it worked properly it should reset at 4-5 max, that's the interval in which tanks are taunting, 4-5 stacks of trick shots can be decently healed, but +10 (usually 14) is too much to heal

What I mean is that that spell isn't resetting no matter what the tanks do

[midnight mist]

you know what whispyr

i tought you were nice lately

no longer !

[tawdry mica]

It's doable but healers gotta work much more just that

[midnight mist]

Im r1 whispyr hater again

[balmy condor]

oh that's strange

[tall atlas]

hes a masterjebaiter

[balmy condor]

you're gonna have to grind a lot of haterpoints for that, other people are already doing +19 whispyr hate

[midnight mist]

holy

wtf

I will try harder

[balmy condor]

yeh idk

[iron vapor]

What about barrels though? Should I switch?

[balmy condor]

looks like it reset and then didn't

[tawdry mica]

I see, yeah

According to the tooltip it CAN'T go over 10

Since it's the limit

Weird

[balmy condor]

looks like swapping resets 10 stacks

so it went from 15 to 5

[tawdry mica]

well that's why I was wondering if it's intended or not since they didnt give a fuck about fixing it
it's whatever though, just bring +1 +2 healers and fixed

but still

[iron vapor]

That's fucked, isn't it supposed to just dump at 10 stacks and murder the tank?

To kinda force regular swaps

[balmy condor]

yeah idk, whack

[tawdry mica]

At least in P1 it shouldn't even reach 10 stacks since tanks taunt more frequently bc of the frontal cone

But if you're short on healers, good luck dealing with p1 damage+healing absorbs+ 15 stacks of trick shots

[strange tundra]

[plush wasp]

ty my boy watching the whyspier bleed video now 🙂

[balmy condor]

what is your girl doing

[indigo sphinx]

probably watching zac stream, for balance right???

[balmy condor]

checks out

[midnight mist]

?

[strange tundra]

i wish i was a girl watching zac stream

[midnight mist]

same

[tall atlas]

ill get my wife to watch for u

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/when-do-we-get-to-the-ride-this-is-the-ride-timmy-turner-dad-fairly-oddparents-gif-5835387763845077439

[spare kayak]

do we have any thoughts on the 0.2 increased gcd for the automated rotation thing that they are trying to implement?

[weak cypress]

evasion is not working on rik reverb anymore?

[balmy condor]

It’s a good debuff for people using it to not be competitive

[balmy condor]

Correct, can’t dodge them anymore

[radiant sorrel]

So I am thinking about switching to ass from sub. But every crafted piece I have is haste/mast and most of my gear is vers/mast. I have some hero track pieces with crit/mast/haste. But this will be dreadful transition if I don't recraft and resocket/enchat my gear for ass, yes ?

[balmy condor]

No

Secondaries are fake on this spec

[spice surge]

On most specs really

[balmy condor]

Just wear whatever and it’ll be fine

Isn’t bis sub gear like -2% to bis assa

Less than that?

[spice surge]

Id be surprised if it was that high

[balmy condor]

I checked at some point but I don’t remember anymore

I think it was less than that but I remember a 2

Maybe 1.2

[radiant sorrel]

Tbh only my ring and cloack are ver/mast (outside 4 of my crafted items)

[tall atlas]

yea thats fine as long as you have 2 daggers youre golden pew pew

[radiant sorrel]

but wouldn't mind more haste. I tried ass 3 weeks into the patch and had like 0 energy regen

[balmy condor]

Haste doesn’t fix that

That’s the spec

[radiant sorrel]

This is 1 of dag the other one is Rick's dagger

[balmy condor]

It’s like sub between dances not having energy either

That’s fine

Any daggers will do

They have shit for secondaries

[radiant sorrel]

Outside dances this is not a spec it is a NPC

1rpm

[sharp viper]

[radiant sorrel]

Sadly this bad boy it only HC

[spice surge]

Equip your highest ilvl pieces

[midnight mist]

good candidate for the blizzard auto rotation

cant wait

[tall atlas]

offhand weapon damage does not matter at all so the crafted in the MH will be poppin

[weak cypress]

3specs need rework

so bad

[midnight mist]

wtf

ana !

big fan

[weak cypress]

u are rly enjoying this shit ?

[radiant sorrel]

sub, ass are fine

[midnight mist]

I did watch all your movies

[radiant sorrel]

outlaw is just bugged since its creation

[midnight mist]

the james bond one was cool

[strange tundra]

why is an AI shit talking rogues

[radiant sorrel]

bring back outlaw from s2 of BFA

[midnight mist]

hey wtf !

[radiant sorrel]

Couldn't get enough of perma rolling Roll the bones

to get right buffs

[sharp viper]

zac may be artificial but not intelligent

[strange tundra]

the only thing i really want in rogue is 1 more vanish

[radiant sorrel]

boss is at 86% I am still spending CP on RtB

[radiant sorrel]

bring back shadowdust

[red schooner]

I want pve smokebomb

[tall atlas]

yessssssssssssssss

[strange tundra]

that sounds cool

[tall atlas]

if dh have darkness

why not us

[midnight mist]

dont insult my intelligence

[sharp viper]

doesn't trickster distract talent have something that looks like it?

[tall atlas]

if Dragons have zephyr

give rogues group feint

[red schooner]

Even if it's not fully LoS breaking just have it be a damage reduction or something

[tall atlas]

mass barrier exists

[red schooner]

Some utility ya'know

[tall atlas]

do it Ian i know youre in here

@midnight mist

[red schooner]

Or smokebomb allowing restealth maybe in dungeons? Would be neat

[tall atlas]

your stream music is making me horny

[midnight mist]

nice

[red schooner]

All I'm saying pve smokebomb has possibilities

[midnight mist]

bro gooning to my stream

wild !

[sharp viper]

holy shit, actual raid utility

[tall atlas]

do you always stream at this time?

[midnight mist]

no

[red schooner]

Yeah it'd be neat

[midnight mist]

its an holiday today

[tall atlas]

I never knew i work from home id always log in

ah ok

[midnight mist]

i work from like 9 to 6

so i stream at 7 usually

and the weekends

[tall atlas]

uk time?

[midnight mist]

french time

that would be uk time

+1 ?

-1 ?

[tall atlas]

think so ye

[midnight mist]

or is it same

[tall atlas]

+1

[midnight mist]

ye

[tall atlas]

server time

[red schooner]

But like, DK grip is viewed as raid utility by blizz, so why not rogue smokebomb to force mobs into the melee cluster for utility?

[midnight mist]

ye

[red schooner]

It's a good plan there's probably some glaring downside I'm not thinking of though

[midnight mist]

I mean a los ability ?

that probably break half the mechanics in the game

other than that

i cant see any downsides

[tall atlas]

nah remove the LoS

[red schooner]

Could just have it be aoe damage reduction instead

[tall atlas]

just DR

[red schooner]

Idk there's options

[midnight mist]

well then its just another aoe dr

[red schooner]

But some raid utility would be nice

[midnight mist]

sure

[tall atlas]

zephyr, mass barrier, Group AMS

[midnight mist]

i liked fuu idea

[tall atlas]

would give us something

[midnight mist]

of getting ryze teleport

aoe shadowstep

[tall atlas]

hm

[red schooner]

Hell yeah

[tall atlas]

where would that be applicable tho really

and that with shroud

[midnight mist]

its like a gate

but different

[red schooner]

Idk I just wanna bring something outside of damage to raid

[tall atlas]

ye true

[midnight mist]

its a gate with different applications idk i think it could be interesting

[weak cypress]

😂

[tall atlas]

u just simp for fuu

oh shit alt j

[marble hemlock]

You're welcome.

[midnight mist]

np

[tall atlas]

oooo

cos u got a long wayyy to go

[red schooner]

But yeah this season in particular just feels eh for rogues in raids. Like, damage numbers are fine, it's not a gripe at that, it's just not being able to help with some of the mechanical things in raid that need to be done, like Rik barrels/territorial bombshells/OAB adds

We bring good boss damage but so can every class

[spice surge]

Sub does well on the things that arent the bombshells

Its just slightly overtuned for overall

[red schooner]

Yeah I'm looking at it from a sin perspective, I should edit it to just sin

But some raid utility would help mitigate that feeling at least

[balmy condor]

Atrophic is honestly pretty good

It’s not immediately noticeable but the DR passively removes a ton of raid damage

[red schooner]

Yeah true, I forgot about that, it's just as you said it's hard to notice due to it being passive

[mental atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[amber brook]

Does the dummy in dorn remove envenom>?

I hit it with 3 envenoms and they disappeared 1 second later in a row

[radiant sorrel]

mkay https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rk4tA7HMJn59KegntACqnN
Recrafting to crint/mast is 4k dps gain

Omw to check Whysper's guides

[balmy condor]

Twist the knife is buggy

[amber brook]

Gonna take however long they took to make kingsbane unparryable to fix that for sure

[balmy condor]

It’s also just super whatever

The buff from envenom is basically cosmetic flair at this point

Who cares if it’s bugged to shit tbh

[amber brook]

Oh

[nova aspen]

new pin

[red schooner]

New pin

[misty holly]

Does Blackjack work on bosses? 30% reduced damage seems pretty great

[nova aspen]

big, now i can parse, finally

[balmy condor]

No

[nova aspen]

[red schooner]

Time to not read it and then ask about it in chat

[red schooner]

Did they fix it working on some bosses in m+?

I remember boss 2 motherlode it applied to him

For some reason

[balmy condor]

I don’t think so but that shits so janky

It also works on first boss priory

But can’t tell why

Sometimes it also just doesn’t work

I think it might be if you blind an add in the fight it just jumps to the boss

But that’s not been consistent for me either

Idk it’s all spaghetti

[red schooner]

Yeah I've not really messed around with it, I've just sent blind sometimes and gone 'the fuck is that doing on the boss?'

[nova aspen]

garf likes spaghetti

[marble hemlock]

so

what do i rename to now?

[red schooner]

Roll the bones is thematic

[balmy condor]

Seliathan - Washed and Old

[nova aspen]

dam, rekt

[marble hemlock]

my guild is literally called WashedUp

but the old man still got it, parsed well on gally while RLing and doing bomb

[balmy condor]

Seliathan - raising the avg age

[hearty reef]

ok but what about DN parries?

[marble hemlock]

true

still valid honestly

the only other gripe i have is having to press mutilate on aoe every 10sec

which is kinda crinj

[hearty reef]

[balmy condor]

Think this might be encounter specific, your mom’s never parried DN

[hearty reef]

you know im never ever gonna recover from this?

[marble hemlock]

ye this is over for you

might as well reroll

[nova aspen]

[hearty reef]

gg you shattered a soul

can add it on your resume wuhsrpy

[balmy condor]

It’s like Boy Scout medals to me

• help an old lady across the street
• tie a bunch of different knots
• fuck Nike’s mother so hard he hears about it in the news
• finishing a hiking trail

[hearty reef]

i see i see

purple name normalizing this kind of humor

[balmy condor]

I am above the law

[marble hemlock]

its been normalized in this channel for years

largely due to oxi and quake, id say

[balmy condor]

True

I’m an innocent bystander in these societal trends

No influence from me on the matter

[marble hemlock]

just going with the flow

man of the people

[balmy condor]

Bad bad bad Oxi and quake

So naughty

[marble hemlock]

only banging nike's mom cuz its fashionable these days

[balmy condor]

Yeah I hear everyone’s doing it

[dapper cradle]

Glad quake has this reputation

Bro will never beat the accusations

[dapper cradle]

Simply incredible

[clever sparrow]

guys when should i cast envenom??

i mean how many CP?

[balmy condor]

5

[marble hemlock]

5+, 7 with DN up

[clever sparrow]

gotcha

[marble hemlock]

i think

[clever sparrow]

and when to FOK?

[marble hemlock]

mutilate should give 3 cp if you get 2 back to back noncrit ones

i still crinj internally when i have to mutilate 4 times for DN envenom

[balmy condor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[red schooner]

Dry shiv parries hurt me

[clever sparrow]

Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

when to?

is it always FOK it means?

[balmy condor]

It means you would use fok to generate cp

[proud pelican]

My KB got parried during damage amp lust on vexie on tues I almost fucking blew up

Almost became a reroll fire mage angle

[strange tundra]

skill issue

[jaunty matrix]

[proud pelican]

Kinda true I could’ve stayed behind the boss

[loud hearth]

I mean on some bosses I understand, but Vexie is standing still during intermission no?

[strange tundra]

or press it harder

[proud pelican]

[strange tundra]

[rotund oak]

🫶

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/bdgm9.gif

[static glacier]

Like you’ll get cds, if the content is hard you’ll have time to get cds off - if the st is over without getting dm off that’s suspicious additionally we can function in aoe packs without committing cds so you can always hold cds before a bottleneck boss is to be pulled

[manic coral]

does mastery amplify zoldycks recipie?

[marble hemlock]

wdym?

[manic coral]

oh yeah its was worded horribly

[marble hemlock]

mastery increases poison/bleed damage. so does zoldyk. if smth does x amount of damage after mastery applies and zoldyck also applies, itll just get the zoldyck benefit too

[manic coral]

yy nah i mean like

would mastery be better in execute rather then flat out vers even if vers sims better

like does patchwork sims factor in execute range and yada yada

[spice surge]

Yes sims factor in execute

[violet plaza]

I'm seeing this pop up more and more....

[golden loom]

Play it if you are doing like 18s/19s

If you are doing vault keys, dont go close

[violet plaza]

barely scraping 14/15s atm lmao

[golden loom]

Then bleed

👍

[fossil falcon]

Outlaw after fixes got better than Assa?

[ember mural]

[molten beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9iJw9n3ukANYRqnFy4qPQW

he asks me More Haste and versa

[spice spire]

Dog

[spice surge]

Go upgrade your ring from siren isle brother

[spice spire]

Dog what part 2

[molten beacon]

My ring is 658 IG

[spice surge]

Nvm just the sim being weird

Ye

But dont bother with stat weights

Just topgear your items

[spice spire]

Yeah the siren isle ring gets weird in sims unless you top gear

[marble hemlock]

did i stutter?

[spice spire]

Idk man you were typing

But ain’t no way I’m taking the blame for this

[crisp stream]

In this build do we apply more than 5 rups?
Is it needed like bleed build?

And then go full envenom caustic?

[nova aspen]

5 rups

ignore garrote in aoe

and ye

ur prio targets need to live tho, so only good in like 16+ keys

[marble hemlock]

sure bud

we all know what you are

[spice spire]

??? Buddy I don’t even know what I am

[royal lantern]

a dog

[marble hemlock]

a horndog. ye.

[sour elm]

outlaw has always been competitive in raid but it is still much harder to play well and has a lot higher variance than sin.

[viral linden]

100%

[viscid spear]

Can't wait to be raiding Heroic in the next tier and still using it

[mental atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thorn rampart]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen oak]

hey quick question, with arcane and bleed build sin on the same comp, who do u PI on aoe and single?

[nova aspen]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/power_infusion

[spice surge]

Tbf thats mostly for raid ST. In general if youre not playing bleed you shouldnt be getting PI as assassination

And i dont think its very strong on arcane either

[spice spire]

I’m currently not using it

[nova aspen]

oh idk i cant access bloodmallet at work

thought there might be a chart for dungeons as well

[spice surge]

Well theres for 3 and 5 target cleave

But its using the raid builds for the most part

Which is uh

Not great

[nova aspen]

yea i see now

[spice surge]

Since not a lot of specs have contributed aoe builds for it

[vast shuttle]

anyone have a video how to play with single target bleed build?

iam constanlty on like 900k dps and when it drops to 30% i get maybe 1.3-1.4m dps is it that u do with the build or can i get more? i have all bis aswell

[spice surge]

Keep CT up

[vast shuttle]

how many combo points on st?

[spice surge]

Keep CT up

[weary spear]

Same as any finisher

[vast shuttle]

7?

[spice surge]

People are overthinking it

[deep hemlock]

do we replace cyrce circlet with a 678?

[weary spear]

You use 7 for all your finishers?

[spice surge]

Its the same as the other talent setups besides keeping CT up

5+

[vast shuttle]

no xd iam stupid

ok but i did tempest on +7 all time maybe help little

[rotund oak]

[nova aspen]

[wary light]

Kingsbane can't be parried anymore holy shit sorry if I missed this discussion already but omega change

[sharp trellis]

Hi , what is this ? m+ 13 /14 friendly ?

[humble verge]

there was never a discussion only people coming here and feasting on this happiness we would never see happen in our lifetime or future lifetimes

[spice spire]

Yeah that build is fine

[spice spire]

Nah I’ve seen whispyr’s dumpy. I’ve felt it before

[west crown]

Do I have to just save deathmark for bosses in bleed? Its literally tank damage without it

[humble verge]

you still wanna use it for big hp mobs

but yeah

generally save it for bosses if you can

[glass grotto]

Anyone know if there is a quick way to not show useless debuffs on player since there is a ton on rogue? Or do you have to disable them one by one

[warm vortex]

Isn’t that CDs in general?

Like if a boss is coming up save it but even if it comes up like 20 seconds into the fight it’s Gucci

[humble verge]

pm yes

[warm vortex]

Fair

Tbh I wouldn’t know

Don’t use CDs in M+ atm

[humble verge]

its more so about learning when and where to use your cds

[warm vortex]

Yeye

Funny with BM you don’t have that in M+ atm KEK

[viscid spear]

MFer gaslighting himself smh my head

[spice spire]

2k dps gain to not use it

[humble verge]

pretty sure

if you get bis rings

you can drop it

[spice spire]

It’s really just jastor Diamond that starts fucking with things

[humble verge]

has to be pretty big rings tho

lmao

[warm vortex]

Quake as a troll like usual

But I’m with you fuck the ring

[spice spire]

Ye for me it was heroic jastor and crafted

[warm vortex]

I’m so happy I don’t have to run it on BM

For me it’s champion jast and myth ring

Funny at this point I have more champion items equipped than heroic

1 heroic 2 champ

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-it-goes-without-saying-gif-12669775144079688963

[warm vortex]

I may be stupid

[keen spruce]

same

[dawn anchor]

Go look into blacklisting debuffs. There's a spot to stop showing specific spells.

[warm vortex]

Out of all the Pokemon music you could have chose

I mean it’s not bad but like

There are 100 better casual city / route ones you could have chos

[humble verge]

hes saying fuck you

[warm vortex]

I mean I’m not wrong tho

Relic castle
Drift veil
Kalos power plant
Aether paradise
Accumula town
Humilau city

Just naming a few

[agile wedge]

on mugzee, can i just shadowstep out of the prisons or how does it work?

[warm vortex]

Had to check spelling so took a moment

[humble verge]

no

only outlaw can get out

[agile wedge]

so iam trapped, sad

[humble verge]

yes

[warm vortex]

The goon cages act as smokebombs

Irrc

So you can’t target anything outside of them while in it and you can target them when outside them

[agile wedge]

ty ty guys

[warm vortex]

Np

Now go kill that mf <3

[agile wedge]

yeah in 6 weeks maybe 😄

[warm vortex]

Oh lol

[spice spire]

[coral ibex]

you cut off his ears

you fucking monster

[clever sparrow]

why zerross have more versa than crit?

[coral ibex]

because thats the gear he has

[warm vortex]

He kissed his last boy

[coral ibex]

whatever data scraping website you got that pic from isn't making an intelligent recommendation for stats

its just telling you what people have equipped

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[warm vortex]

TLDR sim

[humble verge]

its his poopy gear

well hes also running crit/vers on his neck

so theres that

and on his other crafted gear

[viscid spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/1347570769441329202/watermark.gif?width=373&height=210

[humble verge]

max verstappen song

blocked

minor joke

[warm vortex]

I love all these stupid spunkjunker clips

Cause ik my guilds gonna be stuck on him for a few weeks

[coral ibex]

i gotta lock in on sprocket tonight and get a better log

capstone in opener all night

[warm vortex]

I need better logs this season
My overall ones look v good for heroic tho

[coral ibex]

wanna hear a good bit

i accidentally bought multiple gateway control shards

before sprocket prog

so i tried to sell them on the ah before raid on tuesday

guess who had 0 gateway control shards in their bag

[warm vortex]

Mythic ones are eh but heroic ones are peak

[coral ibex]

bc auctionator put them all up on the AH

just got knocked off like a dummy

[warm vortex]

Hahah

Tbh I don’t even know what gateway shards do

Enlighten me

[spice surge]

It uses the warlock gateway

[warm vortex]

Can’t you just click on it

Or interact with it

[spice surge]

You can, but if theres 20 people standing ontop of it and you need to click it at a very precise time

[violet hemlock]

On use it clicks the nearest gateway so u can keybind it

[sage basin]

easier and more consistent with a control shard, good luck clicking it when there's everyone waiting

[spice surge]

Its easier to just have it keybound through the shard

[warm vortex]

Fair
But can’t you also just interact with things near your player?

With a hot key

Like balls in ML first boss and shit

[spice surge]

Nowadays ye

[coral ibex]

i just had the control shard on my bars

[warm vortex]

Ahh ok ok

[coral ibex]

[warm vortex]

You could have controlled* it better then

[coral ibex]

luckily we didn't kill it on that pull

i get a chance at redemption

[warm vortex]

Yea

Tbh I hope my guild doesn’t take too long in Richard

[coral ibex]

richard is strongly nerfed by gear so shouldnt be too bad

[warm vortex]

Fair I am huge atm

672

Still got myth pieces to upgrade

[coral ibex]

nice

my only hero slots rn are rings and 1 trinket

[warm vortex]

Mine is

My uhhh
Neck I believe

I have 2 chanps

Jastor and energy drink

Rik radio in mythic barely sims higher than champ drink in mythic and sims equal/less in st

[subtle tundra]

dick radio

[coral ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bDwocbWPdz7K79XP1ENeoz

[subtle tundra]

ok

[coral ibex]

fatebound 2.7% ahead

kill me

[subtle tundra]

you pretend it isnt

and you live on

youre welcome

50k gold for more advice

[spice spire]

You’re so real for that king

[coral ibex]

i can't not think about it

there are 0 fatebound logs in the top 100

this is good to know

oh wait there is 1 from 11.1

[royal lantern]

really good system btw

[sudden brook]

It is a good system

It's just rogue ones are a bit stinky

[gray sleet]

i have 50k i need advice, im deciding between fucking my sister or my cousin

[coral ibex]

[sudden brook]

Is how good a system is defined by how diverse it is?

[coral ibex]

if the system is supposed to support diversity of choice

[sudden brook]

What about all the other specs/classes that actually do have it

[coral ibex]

they're just lucky to have devs who care

[spice spire]

I’m in guy’s side here

On even

[sudden brook]

Sin hero talents stink, but the system is fine

Well, I like deathstalker

But fatebound kinda stinky for both at this point

[warm vortex]

Im I have like no idea what’s happening im in a dim room i have water given to me in 2 day cycles and outside is a house with green paint

[coral ibex]

rng capstone activation is truly a choice of all time

[spice spire]

Deathstalker is fine until you have a mark moment

[sudden brook]

Thankfully we dont play MA this tier so

No mark moments

[spice spire]

And for those who have VV simming worse sucks to suck

[sudden brook]

well it sims worse for most ppl

But VV is better in cleave

and the entire raid is cleave

[spice spire]

Which is most of the raid ye

[coral ibex]

yea VV is a lot worse in ST for me

[spice spire]

And then you’re also in the line of

If you’re only in st

You’ll never have a mark moment

Happens in dungeons occasionally and it gets eaten randomly and by some bosses (looking at you council boss in top)

[coral ibex]

until you get DN on rik reverb as the intermission comes up

[spice spire]

And like in theory it’s dogshit but in play it’s fine

[coral ibex]

then ur in the shadow realm

hope you have vanish bud

(you should)

[hollow talon]

isnt fatebund only good for one fight this raid

[scarlet sequoia]

u guys happy about the m+ trinkets being added

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-dungeon-trinkets-added-to-dinar-vendor-myth-track-needs-mythic-12s-376662?utm_source=discord-webhook

[sudden brook]

I like the play pattern of deathstalker tbh

[hollow talon]

i guess so, played with heroic skardyns all last tier

[sudden brook]

It's just yeah when U have to swap its a bit annoying

[humble verge]

nah, cause hoc is still better than signet

by 1k in my sims

[sudden brook]

signet would be better on shorter fights

[coral ibex]

i dont care, giving out free loot ruins the point of a loot acquisition game

[spice spire]

Also you’re buffing your friends with signet

[humble verge]

im kinda happy i got hero skardyn after a while

[spice spire]

My rogue already has both trinkets it wants tho

So

[scarlet sequoia]

this 1?

[coral ibex]

they're throwing "bad luck protection" at me when i haven't killed any bosses where my bad luck would have mattered

i dont get it

[humble verge]

yeah

[hollow talon]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-flex-but-ok-gif-12804934

[sudden brook]

what are u complaining about?

[hollow talon]

why cant i buy sylvanas dagger from the dinar vendor

blizzard pls

[sudden brook]

facts

[coral ibex]

i just dont really care to be given bad luck protection when i havent even completed the tier yet

[sudden brook]

Okay?

[coral ibex]

now i will kill oab and go redeem my mythic trinket

[sudden brook]

Mythic oab though, right?

[hollow talon]

how many p2 pulls will it take to kill OAB

[coral ibex]

yea that's what we're progging atm

[hollow talon]

we're like 2 weeks in and we got to 30% once

[sudden brook]

I mean that's fine

[hollow talon]

[sudden brook]

Its like 100 weeks into the tier

Ppl can have some dinars

[scarlet sequoia]

5 prob

last phase is piss easy

[spice spire]

As a treat some dinar

[hollow talon]

so youre saying...

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-tonight-night-gif-4996717

[royal lantern]

yeha fair

im biased just by HOW bad the rogue ones are

[sudden brook]

Trickster is good, deathstalker is good

Killing spree is bad

Fatebound isn't flashy or interesting enough

[royal lantern]

like, i literally leveld and play a guardian druid rn, and like, thats how it should be more like

lunar is very very very passive with only a minor gameplay change (lunar beam more often)

while claw is more involved with actually shapeshifting midcombat for more dps

[coral ibex]

i dont begrudge other people getting what they want, it just reduces the excitement of killing a boss for me in particular

[royal lantern]

atleast for assa its just so stupid that both trees are "envenom does more dmg"

[hollow talon]

druid hero talents are pretty cool

i like my boomie one

[sudden brook]

I mean idk thats what a lot of hero talents are

WArrior is "bladestorm deals more damage"

[hollow talon]

im friends with the trees or im dropping moons

[sudden brook]

Paladin is "wake deals more damage"

[royal lantern]

the worst part about lunar

is that you share it with boomkins

actually disgusting

[static glacier]

I would say mechanically Empyrean Hammer / templar tree do have implications

eg divine hammer being as strong as it is because it can trigger hammers

[sudden brook]

Sure but it doesnt do anything

Like neither do anything to the rotation

U press ur paladin buttons and it equates to "wake deals more damage"

at least with paladin ur wake upgrades to hammer after cast which is neat but it doesn't really mean much

[static glacier]

stuff like holding hammer of light for execution is thought

but yeah I see what you mean, a lot of hero trees can boil down to this is x amount more damage on your usual buttons

paladin trees are heavily tied to wake for sure

[sudden brook]

I really like what deathstalker does to the rotation personally

[static glacier]

I think it's pretty cool too, the slight minmax of when to finish and minimising mark downtime / lining DN envs with aoe

[coral ibex]

yea the 5/7 interaction does require some thought

[static glacier]

give us some measure of control

[sudden brook]

Ya I think its fun

But it can be a bit annoying sometimes

[torpid sparrow]

if u dont kill OAB mm , it s gonna be signet and pacemaker from dinar vendor what u guys think?

[sudden brook]

I wish fatebound was just, cooler though

Yer

[static glacier]

stuff like making sure I chill on 1 dsm stack before he finger guns the add on mug is an example

[lean plover]

I like ds for assa, hate it with passion for sub

[static glacier]

ds on sub is funamentally cringe

[royal lantern]

they COULD fix it

[sudden brook]

Yeah a bit shit for sub

[royal lantern]

but they dont

which is the more cringe part tbh

[static glacier]

lacking a flurry type effect on evisc makes dn feel atrocious in aoe

if it applied to BP it would be perhaps too strong

[lean plover]

then again ds competes with fatebound, unsure how much of "i like ds for assa" is actualy being glad its better than coins

[static glacier]

hard to say

[sudden brook]

I just like DS

I think the play pattern that DS forces is fun and interesting

[lean plover]

i like shiv+dn+lingering

Big dmg

[sour elm]

playing for those big envenoms feels great

[sudden brook]

The lingering shit is fun

THe general minmaxing around being at 1 dsm is interesting

I think its fun at the end of packs when you get 3-4 dn in a row

[static glacier]

issue is dance is a lot more constraining than sin's env amplifiers

[sudden brook]

I think its good for sin

[static glacier]

additionally I still think it would be less cringe if dsm stacks were a buff

instead of a debuff

it's deffo less of a pain point now we can spec into vv

[sudden brook]

but then how would singular focus work

[mental atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[static glacier]

would be your target

[sudden brook]

Eh

[static glacier]

not thought through it much, could be some abuse cases

[sudden brook]

I dont think itd work as cleanly

[lean plover]

if it had to swap every time u tab

it would bug

100%

[static glacier]

they could make singular focus a damage buff to your next dn envenom perhaps

[sudden brook]

I think it's fine as is, I just hope that MA is never good again

[royal lantern]

wtb the old MA again

[static glacier]

MA is actually ahead like 0.7% in st for me xd

[sudden brook]

Its like 2.9% ahead for me on ST

[static glacier]

still not using it on mug just to be able to mark goons on demand if im in a cage

[sudden brook]

but this isn't a ST raid

[royal lantern]

WEIRDO OPINION INCOMMING

[royal lantern]

i like when MA is better, cus using vanish for dmg just feels like a thing rogue should do

[sudden brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/tier-2-recolors-lorewalking-pirate-dragon-mount-patch-11-1-7-legacy-of-arathor-376663?utm_source=discord-webhook

[manic coral]

since when are people playing tiny toxic blade instead of arterial precision

[coral ibex]

probably since it sims better for them

[spice spire]

Death

[wise whale]

Sprocket

[manic coral]

ye but like whats the reasoning i dont understand xd

[wise whale]

Well

[manic coral]

like its

[wise whale]

What other targets are you shivving on sprocketmonger

[coral ibex]

arterial is a cleave talent

and ttb isn't

[sudden brook]

AA gives you bleed damage as well

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jAgVCc4JJwAqiZZVH8Z4oH

st2 = ttb

1.2% worse than AA

[midnight mist]

676

wdym 676

[coral ibex]

bro finished the patch

[midnight mist]

676 but no bitches thats for sure

[sudden brook]

I'm still missing a lil bit

[midnight mist]

wait you even have circlet

wtf

bro about to be 678 next week

[shy axle]

@wise whale it was taken in every st build before and does more than hitting 7 targets tho, hardly only cleave

[sudden brook]

I'm missing like, 2 items

[dapper cradle]

I remember you were seething about no gear like 2 weeks ago

[sudden brook]

ya cuz 2 weeks ago I had no gear

Then I got jaster + Hoc from vault back to back and then it was over

[midnight mist]

low geared

[loud hawk]

guys on the multi target opener,with the Hybrid build,we put Shiv After Deathmark (Deathmark -> Shiv -> KB) or at the last 8 seconds of Kings Bane (Deathmark -> KB ->...Shiv (last 8 seconds of Kings Bane remaining) ?

[coral ibex]

does hybrid take lw shiv

do you have 2 shiv charges

[loud hawk]

i have 1 charge

[coral ibex]

shiv the last 8 seconds

[loud hawk]

ok ty

[viscid spear]

Great, I need to be carried through eight timed 12s

[glad scroll]

I'm clearly missing something when it comes to playing assasination. Are there stat break points or something?

[viscid spear]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[sudden brook]

The spec doesn't have stat breakpoints

[glad scroll]

Even with the same ilvl with both Outlaw an Assasination sets I'm doing 20% more damage single target with outlaw

[static glacier]

feelswhisp man

has to update dinar guide to include pacemaker

[sudden brook]

I mean it might be a general gear thing more than stats

And comfort, idk

Ilvl isn't gear

Mainhand weapon, trinkets, etc, matter a lot

[scarlet orbit]

Outlaw also just does way more singletarget then assa

[viscid spear]

Hoping I can get Myth track

[sudden brook]

idk about way more

But outlaw is for sure good

[scarlet orbit]

Yea not way more 😄

[fleet pagoda]

if you aint first you're last

[little tulip]

start high with deathmark and coast

[static glacier]

you got this, all 12s is possible if you've done all 10s tbh

consider we will have uncapped crests

[viscid spear]

That happen yet, I didn't look

[static glacier]

they're removing crest cap on 14th i think

[coral ibex]

so are they trying to communicate that they think timing all 12's is equivalent difficulty to mythic raiding?

or do you think they just picked that breakpoint since it already exists

[runic hinge]

the latter

[viscid spear]

Probably thinking raid gear is more valuable than dungeon gear

[glad scroll]

It's probably trinkets and comfort level. I've played outlaw for a long time, sin just feels so slow

[static glacier]

no, just that its not too much harder than 10s considering we have no crest cap

[coral ibex]

yea that makes sense to me

[static glacier]

thats what im saying

god knows what blizz is saying xd

[little tulip]

timing 12s isn't hard but it's good time investment for myth gear

[static glacier]

i think i only have like 2 keys to do for it on rogue

will take some work on alts

[viscid spear]

Like right now aside from upgrading from Heroic track to Myth track, all I could need is Pacemaker, Jastor, and Eye

[little tulip]

ye this weekend gonna try and jam the remaining 4

[coral ibex]

i will be buying pacemaker, jastor, and hoc

[little tulip]

still just gonna end up pugging so dont need to do 88mph into a brick wall etc

[viscid spear]

Would really be great if they woild make it account-wide.
Pipe dream, I know

[coral ibex]

my guild has gotten exactly 1 hoc from oab in all our weeks of clearing normal and heroic

so there's 0% chance we get a hoc from mythic

[viscid spear]

I had to beat 14 other people for it with a 97

[coral ibex]

got mine in the vault

[tawdry root]

Does anyone here use the Junkmaestro's magnet trinket? It sims (only 0.2%) better with signet+magnet than signet+pacemaker. I know we try to avoid 2 on-use trinkets but its CD is only 20s which is why i'm asking where people typically use it in their rotation

for raid^

[coral ibex]

yea i use it

press it during lingering darkness

that's it

[little tulip]

we're 3/4 so far, no eyes of kezan tho also thanks

[viscid spear]

I need to pug Gallywix this week, we're done raiding for the tier.

[tawdry root]

Got it, just slam it on CD during that?

[coral ibex]

you should wait until the end of the buff because it does more damage with more stacks

[tawdry root]

and i imagine when im in deathmark/KB windows?

[coral ibex]

no

you only press it during lingering darkness

after deathmark finishes

[tawdry root]

ok cool thats not bad at all then

thank you

[coral ibex]

[cinder hazel]

with the outlaw fixes, is there a new best spec for m+?

[static glacier]

yeah id love that too, but we will see

[grim jay]

[static glacier]

as it stands i think ima get pacemaker for sure

gally ring

3rd might be one of the cantrip weps for outlaw

[dapper cradle]

no Hawk Tuah of Cards?

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shaquille-o'neal-owe-you-an-apology-sorry-apology-gif-6506155649875820269

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/money-rich-business-buyblox-gif-26503910

next wish is for them to make a racial talent tree

and races are just 4fun / aesthetic

[obsidian walrus]

for keys how high should your sudden demise be sitting in 12-13s

im only about 7.5%

[grim jay]

As it should be