#assassination

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prisma coral
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and it forces you to get better

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what did you think of lockenstock?

warm vortex
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Random hot take I miss the mission table

Bring it back
(But don’t give us bis gear or anything from it)

midnight mist
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In what way

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I wish I had played outlaw on that boss but I didn't have any gear at the time for it

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Was too early

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Idk the boss was just a boss

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We killed the boss

subtle tundra
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i liked popping mines!

prisma coral
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i expected it to be a faster timeline and kinda welcome it now. I literally tried all 3 specs

subtle tundra
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i had a job!

midnight mist
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I didn't like popping mines

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But I had bad set

prisma coral
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and we killed then spent way too much time reclearing

midnight mist
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I had the set where you stay behind vara

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You know that one

prisma coral
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glad its done

midnight mist
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Right when sub CDs comes back

subtle tundra
midnight mist
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You have to stay behind and afk gg

midnight mist
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After first gate

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Now during reclears I seem to be getting early sets which are much more enjoyable

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Grapple onto mine

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Back to melee

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One GCD lost

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Gg

subtle tundra
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loser

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outlaw

midnight mist
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It's fun

subtle tundra
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roll out roll in

golden loom
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Omg staying behind on that set is depressing deluxe

subtle tundra
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jk ive killed the boss as rogue for 2 weeks now

prisma coral
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I don't remember a tier in recent history where i only played 1 rogue spec

midnight mist
prisma coral
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i dont get that mentality

midnight mist
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It's in every way superior

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Lol

prisma coral
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use the best tool

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for the job

subtle tundra
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(jk i do)

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like 3 years ago

prisma coral
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accept sub for the most part which blizzard fucking hates

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tomb of soakgaras

subtle tundra
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i dont accept this cooldown management spec

prisma coral
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then uldir

subtle tundra
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fuck em

midnight mist
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Sub has been the prog spec since I started the game

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No capo

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Every tier

prisma coral
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in tomb of sargaras it was all soaks and rogues were fucking elite at it

subtle tundra
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not this stupid cold blood, symbols, secret tech thinking spiral do i use now, do i hold do i shit the bed

prisma coral
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and DFA was their thing

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that was moved to a pvp talent

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then in uldir they basically took them out back and killed them

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The legion split over pruned and weirdly designed rogue which they have been fucking about on since

humble verge
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socket week this week

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lets go

royal lantern
prisma coral
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smarter peopel than me probably get it but like they literally got rid of SnD

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then brought it back

midnight mist
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so

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owned?

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bozo?

prisma coral
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then forgot SIN doesnt really need to deal with it

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then like last patch make an active ability passive again

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very odd I guess

iron vapor
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Vanilla combat daggers is the only true spec. Anything else is temporary.

prisma coral
iron vapor
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You want to use deadly poison? No get fucked, that takes up a debuff slot on the boss.

prisma coral
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well you wanted wind fury and it over wrote it

iron vapor
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Might get a cheeky 3 point eviscerate every now and then if your backstabs crit

iron vapor
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Human as well, using daggers and straight up ignoring the best racial in the game.

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10/10

prisma coral
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and humans had +3 to swords so daggers would have been pretty hipster

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how dare you not use thrash blade

golden loom
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Well swords and daggers at bis sim the same

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But sword spec can parse higher with rng

golden loom
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But gearing easier as daggers

prisma coral
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SIM? you would have been lucky to find a tthotbot post

sonic schooner
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But trashblade easy to get and strong

iron vapor
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There were no Sims

golden loom
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(i never played vanilla, started wow last year with classic so I did sim)

iron vapor
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Damage meters were a fuckin revelation when they came out

sonic schooner
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No sims back then, only feelcrafting on forums

iron vapor
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No one understood just how much weapon skill mattered for mitigating glancing blows against bosses

prisma coral
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imagine a world where everyone is OG toxic and no good info exists outside of a swifty video with a evenessence song over it

sonic schooner
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Needed that one rogue to sac all his damage do play expose armor

prisma coral
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wake me up

golden loom
iron vapor
iron vapor
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No healing, just defensive stance.

sonic schooner
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Nah

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Just rotate retail

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30mn CD ya know

golden loom
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Retal?? How do I reck then cuh

iron vapor
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Grizz it out til execute range and go nuts

sonic schooner
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Wait it wasnt even à defensive back then

golden loom
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Well its a defensive while leveling I guess but

prisma coral
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my favorite part of old wow is that the majority of "mechanics" involved a part of the game that was entirely inperceivable by the player

golden loom
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Cause you just kill stuff OMEGAKEKW

midnight mist
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Bro probably 50 by now ?

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Started talked to me about legion omegalul

iron vapor
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This one is different because it needs to be tanked round a corner... Wooooooooooahhhh

midnight mist
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Shit so old we getting legion classic soon

sonic schooner
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Calm down

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Mop next

prisma coral
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this boss drops threat dont pull threat

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okay neat

sonic schooner
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Mop is gonna disappoint so many peopne

sonic schooner
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Yes it was à gréât expac great gameplay

midnight mist
sonic schooner
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But the rep farm and the dailies

midnight mist
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I don't talk to people over 30

prisma coral
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the best part of playing rogue was vanish was a threat drop

sonic schooner
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The best part of rogue is that you pressed tricks on mages

iron vapor
sonic schooner
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Rogue was aug before aug

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Frfr

iron vapor
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Subtlety spec is for PVP only

sonic schooner
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Oh i wasnt about vanilla anymore

iron vapor
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(ignore that it actually did mega damage in raid too)

sonic schooner
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Premed

golden loom
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Sub in raid huh

sonic schooner
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Was so gooooood

ebon cloud
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!spatter

iron vapor
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But no one knew because combat was 'the raid spec'

prisma coral
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I do kinda dig that 1 hour tricks for trickster

ebon cloud
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anyone have spatter gally picture?

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found it

turbid harbor
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outlaw was by far the best prog spec in early legion

sonic schooner
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It was mostly because double swords were way better than any dagger you could get

turbid harbor
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but got chain nerfed

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and what am i even replying to 😄

prisma coral
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so i played outlaw through all of emerald nightmare mythic

sonic schooner
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Get that double hit ya Know

prisma coral
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and it may have made me lose my mind

turbid harbor
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oh it just scrolled a bit

prisma coral
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you literally fucking rerolled for like no lie a minute sometimes

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just gassed for energy

turbid harbor
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time to grind some more artifact power because we're nerfing outlaw 4 times in a row

prisma coral
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and the fucking artifact power made you take MORE DAMAGE

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also they had some weird abilities they got rid of

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like cannon ball run?

sonic schooner
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Wasnt sub in vanilla just dying from aggro if u pressed stuff in the first 20s of à fight?

prisma coral
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odd ghost pirate shit

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i think they had parley then too the like super long cast mind control

iron vapor
mint creek
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Are assa sims broken or smthn? Cause when i try to sim as assa it seems really bad compared to sub but on logs it seems a lot better?

subtle tundra
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sim number != real world number

humble verge
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we dont believe in sims

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we believe in poop

prisma coral
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just assume when applying to keys nobody has seen a rogue before

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and fail up

midnight mist
iron vapor
midnight mist
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Are sims lying

iron vapor
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Yes/no

midnight mist
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Not opening raidbot ever again

subtle tundra
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its ok raidbot doesnt want your outlaw sim anyways

iron vapor
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Nice socket

sonic schooner
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Stop opening your mouth zac you re too loud on stream already

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Bozo

hidden bay
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My DH has wrists with socket

hidden bay
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Time to reroll

sonic schooner
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Sorry zac i didnt mean it your my most watched steamer last year

prisma coral
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my favorite part of this tier so far is the weekly wowhead articles that have very little context for people who dont read show a wildly different "best" class

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I think earlier this week it was "the era of the arcane mage"

midnight mist
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Are you subbed tho

balmy condor
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I think censi prefers dubbed

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cause he's a freak

crisp stream
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
balmy condor
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holy juice

prisma coral
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since you are awake whispyr, can you do something about sin not simming the best

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its really uncalled for

balmy condor
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no

subtle tundra
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call him a bitch

balmy condor
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literally can't

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single target APL is rewritten from scratch

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gave it to eleem

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we didn't find anything

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it's super ugly

prisma coral
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if we were shadow priests you would be sandbagging so fucking hard and i know it

humble verge
crisp stream
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Broskis, what's with the circlet ring, we place it with 2 x 665s or na?

subtle tundra
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you dont touch it

prisma coral
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maybe thats the long game

crisp stream
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Okay

prisma coral
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:p

red schooner
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I see the game plan

balmy condor
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I spent a lot of time and effort building a new APL from 0 if its just an elaborate plan to sandbag

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really committed to the lie

red schooner
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In too deep

crisp stream
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Do you guys maintain 2 gear sets?
Like haste mastery of raid and crit mastery for m+?

prisma coral
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I think i can speak for all 25 rogue mains and the 8 alts in saying i appreciate it

subtle tundra
balmy condor
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but we can't find it

midnight mist
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@balmy condor I finally understand how you feel about slice sims btw, currently outlaw have precise cut talent simming like 6% ahead of other talents, except it's a low target cleave talent only, does nothing on st and does nothing in 8t or + and idk what to feel about it

balmy condor
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yeah now imagine you had 35 talents like that

midnight mist
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Ye

subtle tundra
midnight mist
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Hm

subtle tundra
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better in some worse in others?!?!?!

midnight mist
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Well idk about that either

balmy condor
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and then imagine half of those are dots and their value changes depending on how long the adds are alive

midnight mist
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Cause it's a low target cleave talent right

balmy condor
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and then noob bozo like zeross sims like 6.3 target 8.5 min aoe

midnight mist
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So you would want to play it in dungeons with like st stuffs like top and shit

balmy condor
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and goes "me play build never played before"

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and then I wanna kms

midnight mist
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Except that talent is a close to 10% st loss varas

prisma coral
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how do you even create a condition where you can have a 0 target cap

midnight mist
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So idk it's a weird thing

subtle tundra
midnight mist
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Ye

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But it sims 6% ahead in slice

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Surely it's not just fake

subtle tundra
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idk is without a trace sim numbers fake?

midnight mist
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Idk what that is

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Oh double vanish

subtle tundra
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youre dumb

midnight mist
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Right

subtle tundra
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sorry

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why do i have to insult people

midnight mist
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Np

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It's fine

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I do the same sometimes

viscid spear
midnight mist
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When I talk to dumb people

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I understand

subtle tundra
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i love adhomineming people

prisma coral
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my appoligies then

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i cant even spell there

midnight mist
subtle tundra
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insulting people as an argument in your discussion

midnight mist
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Ye I do that

young knot
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would u guys rather have 678 chest or 675 crafter dagger on offhand

red schooner
midnight mist
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I think there is lacking context

grim jay
balmy condor
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I want to support him, I just don't like that he points out very obvious flaws in my work

grim jay
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Then you gotta be more sincere with your banter

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Noob is just not enough

sonic schooner
prisma coral
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the only parse that matters is the rogue healing parse on carnage

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from killing yourself

grim jay
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Just take a shot for every ks death

prisma coral
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with KS

midnight mist
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I don't have a single emote even

sonic schooner
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yo hire me i ll do your emotes

balmy condor
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no emotes, no job, no bitches

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crazy

sonic schooner
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no dps also, you forgot that one

balmy condor
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no io

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ze ross took it all

spice surge
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Bro forgot his horcruxes

balmy condor
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his what cruxes

sonic schooner
grim jay
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Cant you read

sonic schooner
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dont forget on minecraft you cant enchant loyalty on your hoe

zenith smelt
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what talent woud you remove for iron wire?

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in mytic+

sonic schooner
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i would personnaly remove my tank for a vdh and one of the dps for a boomie Surebud Joke besides i think double shiv is the thing you skip for IW (assuming bleed build)

analog field
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When you remove double shiv do you just shiv on cd most of the time? Also with DM you send one in the start? Does it make a difference. ow that you don't have KB?

golden loom
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Just send on cd pretty sure

prisma coral
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@zenith smelt "...Some common talents taken in place of Iron Wire are Sanguine Blades, which is a purely AoE option, or Twist the Knife which is mainly a burst/single target option."

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that's ignoreing the five sentances before that talking about how great it is

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with which i agree

spice surge
iron vapor
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Removing sanguine blades for iron wire is.... Questionable

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Double shiv is my go-to

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As in, to remove.

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Buuuut, take everything I say with a pinch of salt, I'm not pushing high keys and I rarely use iron wire

subtle tundra
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hybrid doesnt have double shiv and no reasonable thing to remove

iron vapor
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Ohhh, in that case disregard everything I said, I don't go high enough to make the extra thinking of hybrid worth it

stable pasture
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is it worth crafting off-piece helm for assa?

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i got that funny

rotund condor
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do I see it correctly that our builds force us into either single target or multi target? Meaning that I have to actively decide if I want AoE or Boss damage, and there's not really anything in between?

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because from my very very short testing, it seemed like the M+ build deals almost no damage on single target, and vice versa

wide ferry
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Basically. You will be doing 6+m overall the entire dungeon until you reach a boss then kiss that shit goodbye lmao

rotund condor
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or actively respecc I guess? lol

wide ferry
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Cant respec mid dungeon unless you leave, not always an opportunity for that

rotund condor
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oh, gotchu

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Outlaw doesn't have this issue does it?

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also why is Caustic Splatter so weak that it's only a small contribution to AoE? :<

balmy condor
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There’s some ways to talent that preserves your st but it’s at either a major aoe loss or it’s only useable in like ridiculously high keys

rotund condor
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like, if CS was good, we wouldn't need this constant respec, or do I see something wrong?

balmy condor
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CS was good

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And it warped the entire spec around it

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It’s still insanely good

rose ore
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I just picked up assassination but I was kinda surprised at how little there is to do on ST in the M+ build

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Unless I'm missing something

balmy condor
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Nope

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It’s just insanely easy

rotund condor
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gotchu, I just started playing Sin this reset after leveling up last reset lol

subtle tundra
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nothing to do with m+ build

rose ore
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I'm a hunter main so I am not complaining

nova aspen
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feral is so much more annoying to play man

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snapshotting bleeds

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weve gone back in time

red schooner
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Also the spec has a nice flow to it

fervent relic
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!rik

prisma monolithBOT
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Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

  • Not your problem.
  • Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
  • If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
  • Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
    With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
  • Swap to Subtletly.
lyric vale
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!stix

sonic schooner
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dont even swap to sub anymore since you cant preramp with evasion since it doesnt work anymore. Only solution is to reroll class

rose ore
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In M+ do people tabtarget spread their garrote in opener or just spam on one target

granite leaf
sonic schooner
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mouseover is probably better than tabtargetting, optimally if you have more than 5 mobs you wanna apply to non bleeded targets, but lazily u can just press on main target and dont think about it

granite leaf
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First pull of cinderbrew, pulling all three muscles and most of the pyros, kept up with the boomkin buffpaladin

rose ore
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Mhmm, chances of tabbing to a target that already has it anyway would be pretty high I imagine

nova aspen
granite leaf
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I swear they did some "smart tab targeting" thing in the past. Guarantee that didn't do anything kekW

nova aspen
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with feral its all about big rips

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with rogue its like is rupture up YEP move on to envenoms

balmy condor
# rotund condor like, if CS was good, we wouldn't need this constant respec, or do I see somethi...

The story of this btw is that in a world where caustic/nature damage is the predominant aoe source, assassination quickly becomes just grotesquely warped into envenom/kingsbane, which given the burst it can put out is insanely dangerous. End of Dragonflight we were reaching that point and assassination could fully obliterate a pack as long as the main target survived for the burst duration. Things like crimson tempest weren’t even taken because what was the point to have an aoe finisher when you could just caustic. Bleeds turned into purely energy batteries meant to keep the envenom train going. You just lose any depth and end up being a fok->envenom bot in aoe or a mut->envenom bot in single target, tuning all your aoe around your single target is stupid hard as well, which outlaw tends to typically gets away with by having 0 burst

Assa got a lot more bleed support with numerous rupture/tempest/demise buffs, arterial got buffed as well, caustic got a nerf. Where assa ended up this patch basically led to an open talent board with an insane amount of swaps, we have entire build archetypes and sub-archetypes within those because the talents are so fluid. I think it’s actually the prime example of a well balanced talent tree that leverages multiple ideas and spec concepts together

nova aspen
sonic schooner
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again, unealthy for the game, but bring back unerfed s3 kingsbane

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i wana get pi and be powerfull

balmy condor
normal spindle
steel ridge
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Like tea?

west smelt
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in real world dungeons how bad is it to drop lightweight shiv for iron wire? I feel like I'm either losing a lot of power from shiv not being able to save it for execute or I'm losing usages

steel ridge
normal spindle
# steel ridge Like tea?

I mean tea only works at the start you either need to not press anything regularly to not trigger it or after your three charges are on cd you are in the same situation as without them really quickly

normal spindle
west smelt
west smelt
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do you just send shiv on cd to maximise uses or do you aim for execute?

royal lantern
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endless energy so you can press mutilate mutilate envenom more often or what

normal spindle
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I don’t want to have a situation where I sit and not press any buttons because of energy, tea usage for burst windows is perfectly fine as it is

hot flicker
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I thought it just refreshes

normal spindle
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Having energy being a nonissue is also bad but at least preferable to literally doing nothing in a fight

sonic schooner
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well outside of indiscriminate carnage that allow you to spread dots, it doesnt spread

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but that makes sens

royal lantern
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play one of the 30+ other specs in the game then

normal spindle
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Are you really arguing that doing nothing is fun game design? As i said i don’t want energy to be meaningless but I can’t find any fun in looking at my screen waiting

keen mantle
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is this good?

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kek

hearty reef
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Unironically bad vault

sonic schooner
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Casual lmao

lyric vale
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socket best option

orchid pewter
nova aspen
keen mantle
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need some head now

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and im good right

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?

lyric vale
orchid pewter
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Wtf you are juiced

keen mantle
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meanwhile the last 30days

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im in TR

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didnt touch retail

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kek

lyric vale
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lel

grim jay
lyric vale
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/cry

grim jay
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If you dont like one, that spec just isnt for you

royal lantern
# normal spindle Are you really arguing that doing nothing is fun game design? As i said i don’t ...

first of all, you heavy overreact and act as if you sit there for 10 seconds doing nothing, which is literally not the case at all, its some minor downtimes once in a while

and 2nd, yes its kinda stupid to play one of the few specs that works SLIGHTLY different with Ressources and then go "uhm, thats bad and i want it changed" when literally over 90% of the specs in the game exist and can be played like you want

nova aspen
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id rather need to skip a few gcd's every now and then than to be forced to need every gcd and when u dont u are punished

lyric vale
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i mean he can say his opnion

winged sun
grim jay
keen mantle
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what coulour is your house of cards and finger from last boss

solar wyvern
winged sun
keen mantle
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cant show more cause its tournament realm

solar wyvern
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Gigachad

lyric vale
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well as new assa i had problem with it

winged sun
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Btw casual

granite leaf
winged sun
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Wait actually I’ll dm u instead

grim jay
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That one?

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Or is it a different one

lyric vale
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but now im enjoying no energy moment

solar wyvern
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Ye that one

lyric vale
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i can do other things

lyric vale
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this is the one zero said check it out>

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?

granite leaf
lyric vale
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all kind of stuff

nova aspen
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6.4m overall in ML jesus

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TR gear cranks

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prob doesnt even need feint in full avoidance gear Kapp

sonic schooner
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👀

solar wyvern
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Trade secrets (they're just dming eachother cat pictures)

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Meowdy

keen mantle
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is that good for floodgate?

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kek

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i have to stop exposing

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the best class

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kek

solar wyvern
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I knew rsham rogue would come to the spotlight

nova aspen
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dashing stonks

solar wyvern
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L priest

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Rooting for you casual show them the tech

keen mantle
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on saturday ill play rogue

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but on sunday i wont

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hehe

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dk does much more

sonic schooner
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what in the hell

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casual

stable pasture
winged sun
keen mantle
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bleed build bleed build

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KEK

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oh screenshot has kingsbane

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exposed

solar wyvern
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Fak

nova aspen
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hold it right there sir

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KB??

winged sun
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Screenshot has x2 shiv’s monkaEXTREME delete now

solar wyvern
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Anymore exposing and they're going to nerf sub rogue and buff assa again!

keen mantle
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bro

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imagine if they buff rogue before tgp finals

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oof

nova aspen
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dude imagine if they didnt nerf spatter by 5%

solar wyvern
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How can they tell the difference we have no dev

rain coral
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anyone has a rota for bleed build ?

solar wyvern
rain coral
#

and maybe a makro for rupture and garrot

nova shadow
#

is there a dung where we pref numbig over atrophic pois

sonic schooner
nova aspen
#

mdi next week?

#

or this weekend

keen mantle
#

this friday it starts

#

im competing on saturday

#

promised rogue

nova aspen
sonic schooner
#

You better be roguing

#

We had enough of pigeons

indigo epoch
#

Represent! Haha

nova aspen
#

archon has sin in A tier btw

#

worthless site

indigo epoch
#

Love watching u play @keen mantle

sonic schooner
#

Casual actually just gonna play rogue full first Day so that get banned and he ll play dk for what matters

keen mantle
#

its bad that ill play rogue first day

#

cause ppl will see how insane it is

grim jay
keen mantle
#

you guys will see on saturday

#

but rogue too much pump

#

cant stop[

sonic schooner
#

Well casual

nova aspen
#

its not rng like dk

#

mostly

sonic schooner
#

Noone Will reroll rogue mid comp

#

Specially this build

grim jay
keen mantle
#

zeross build pumps

sonic schooner
#

Green buildfor sure

keen mantle
#

all i can say

solar wyvern
#

Zeross build is the truth

sonic schooner
#

And then

#

We will see him outlaw

solar wyvern
#

Still kinda unsure about meadery but I did 40% of ipas hp with it so its kinda insane

sonic schooner
#

And laugh

#

Meadery s bosses are so good for assa

nova aspen
#

its good everywhere

sonic schooner
#

Perfect funnel bosses

nova aspen
#

big prio funnel

#

let the udk pad

#

and boomie

fervent relic
#

!rupture

prisma monolithBOT
#

Corrupt the Blood/Rupture Bug
Corrupt the blood can jump to mobs that are out of combat when the rupture-afflicted target changes from harmful to non-harmful
This is repeatable with mind control, but is most common on the third boss of Grim Batol when skipping the two elites before the boss.

You can avoid it by being EXTREMELY careful to not target anything when your target shifts, but otherwise not much to be done. Just be careful and aware as it is a niche bug that should not happen frequently

solar wyvern
#

Yeah and now that you death grip snap the pack by the ipa wing window onto boss

#

More funnel

nova aspen
#

the corner pack?

#

by the flamethrower

#

i need to get my team to do more pulls onto bosses for funnel

indigo epoch
#

Mine too. My tanks a bitch

sonic schooner
#

Yea u wanna Know some funnied

#

My tank didnt want to pull anything on bosses when i asked as assa

#

But when i m on arcane mage

#

He pulls the whole map for me

indigo epoch
#

Rogue gets no love

nova aspen
winged sun
#

If no, be ready to do 50% omegalul

#

Btw master assassin is just as good there

#

But maybe im cooked

#

Garroting mobs is rly good in cinderbrew from my experience

#

But I guess u can do the same with double shiv build I just haven’t experimented it there yet

#

Will see on the 19 next week

red schooner
pseudo wind
#

is there a spesific haste amount to aim for? damn sims tell me to wear haste vers ring

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
hidden crown
#

I simmed
It said to take champ tier HoS

trim oak
spice spire
indigo epoch
#

@keen mantle what's ur mdi team name so we can all watch you m8

red schooner
grim jay
red schooner
#

Did said run also take 45 minutes for a 10

grim jay
#

And there is one of the best trinkets

hidden crown
#

even if I turn one into a hero track tier piece?

#

the trinket is worth it?

trim oak
red schooner
#

I think the tank was new so it's fine, it happens, but also pls, give me a little bit of aoe

grim jay
red schooner
#

Cos just sat there single target on the mini bosses hurt

trim oak
#

I feel you 🫂

tropic hull
#

is Symbiosis 1% damage taken proc kick from invis?

warm vortex
trim oak
#

I found this in vault wich technically is our bis but simming it I lose 3% damage 😭 is my life a lie?

hidden crown
warm vortex
#

Ik I posted this earlier

#

But it’s super funny

trim oak
#

omg

red schooner
spice spire
winged sun
hidden crown
# keen mantle o7

raidbots tell me that the Trinket would give me the most amount of damage than the rest

winged sun
#

Hi

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
spice spire
#

Hello zeross

warm vortex
#

Also s tier name quake

spice spire
#

For once you’re not in here at 3 am pinging me so I’ll say it

#

GM

warm vortex
#

We all bully Zac here
Idk why

#

Been a bit it feels like quake

spice spire
#

I’ve been in and out

warm vortex
#

Like 20 people

grim jay
spice spire
warm vortex
#

But there are many cute twinks

#

Every whispyr is a cute twink but not every cute twink is a Whispyr

spice spire
#

Yeah that’s why I said the worlds cutest

#

Hello

solar wyvern
#

I played arcane ret assa with 2shiv and like hoooooly prio mobs got nuked

#

Almost too much prio i cant spatter as efficiently

nova aspen
#

yea arcane and assa is too much prio

#

xd

solar wyvern
#

But is it really tho???

#

Idk it feels like you can get away with it since your cds are desynced

nova aspen
#

in a 16 yea, maybe not in 18s idk

#

16s they die too fast

solar wyvern
#

Yeah

#

I think unholy arcane assa can go hard in like floodyG and cinder

#

Lots of places to prio and the aoe is covered by bloodbeasts

warm vortex
#

Bro it’s so fucking bullshit

#

All 3 mage specs have been good this tier

#

Blizzard really does love their mages

#

And I’ll never not be salty

solar wyvern
#

I mean lowkey all 3 rogue specs are as well, sub just got nerfed so its only Teched in for swap shenanigans

#

Outlaw is good (except for bf bug)

marble hemlock
#

wrong channel

#

fuck outlaw

nova aspen
#

i dont know where else to swap in sub besides last boss rookery

red schooner
#

Real

solar wyvern
nova aspen
#

yea but i kinda like dashing for all of cleft now

#

and flood

#

top sounds good

solar wyvern
#

Dashing is very nice in cleft but idk you do the last part of cleft in 2 giga pulls and 2 bosses

#

Kinda insane for sub rogue

#

And you're significantly tankier on candlenking

#

10% dr + 10-15% versa

winged sun
#

Well well well

solar wyvern
#

Speaking of candleking i have a question, dors atrophic work on the dot? Since they originate from the statues

winged sun
#

That’s what I just msg’ed casual about

#

New sin tech for high keys Zerossthinking

nova aspen
solar wyvern
#

Bro we're so locked in hooooly

nova aspen
#

i need to craft all my sub gear when crests cap are lifted

#

for the swap tech

winged sun
#

xdd soon soon will write up everything

#

That you’ll need to know for high keys

#

On sin rogue

solar wyvern
#

Ty king i don't want to bug u to dm me the tech

#

Cant push until friday anyway madge

#

Life taking away from wow grrr

winged sun
#

Well I just have a lot of things planned for later

solar wyvern
#

Looking forward to reading about it

errant hawk
#

HOC HM better than Signet Priory ? pls

red schooner
sonic schooner
#

Zero

grim jay
#

Probably didnt say anything yet

sonic schooner
#

Invite me already

#

Bozo

winged sun
#

Sure

#

Dm for invite bozo master

winged sun
errant hawk
sonic schooner
#

Yes bozo

red schooner
winged sun
#

Ye won’t throw an invite here

#

Dm me I guess

nova aspen
#

secret tech discord hmmZoom

midnight mist
#

Imma Speedrun a zerosss discord ban

solar wyvern
#

The secret tech is a finisher that summons 2 shadow clones that inflict damage

#

Oh wait wrong secret

#

Hehe

nova aspen
winged sun
#

Well if anyone wants to join just throw a dm will prob work on it later this week

nova aspen
#

i dm'd

midnight mist
#

sounds like a scam

#

not dming

winged sun
#

alert NEW INFINITE DPS BUILD alert INVEST NOW TILL ITS TOO LATE alert NO MORE RUPTURES?? ENVENOM KS THE NEW KING?! 999 MILLION EVENOMS CRITS alert

fresh mica
#

xdd

midnight mist
#

wtf thats mine

winged sun
#

Mine now

sonic schooner
#

dude s just bringing old cleave build now

#

soon without ct

solar wyvern
#

Hmm needs a shocked reaction face next to it for the algo

sonic schooner
nova aspen
#

thats not a clickbait title xdd

tough hare
#

No bleeds build

solar wyvern
#

Bro imagine if in the end

sonic schooner
solar wyvern
#

We just play cleave

#

Thatd be so funny

solar wyvern
#

Full circle

winged sun
#

Zac is funny as hell whenever he’s about to go to bed

#

Literally turns to a -100 iq sin rogue

tough hare
#

Let's get rid of poisons as well send full naked envenoms, damage distribution with only melee, mutilate and envenom

solar wyvern
nova aspen
#

same

#

i play horrible if tired

solar wyvern
#

Gotta harness that overtired into lockin into sleep combo

#

That one last key at 7am

#

Thats where the io is made

nova aspen
#

i wonder where title io is at currently

hidden crown
#

Yeah I guess my trinket HoC give me the most dmg despite being champ tier

stone eagle
#

is it worth to send rupture on bandits adds? for energy pooling?

rotund oak
#

(mechanocore)

hidden crown
fleet pagoda
#

pirate summon isn't bis?? but 2 people > 1 people??

rotund oak
hidden crown
#

fr fr

#

I guess HoC it is

#

hate it that its champ tier

rotund oak
hidden crown
#

yet it does more dmg

quiet oar
#

Imagine hoc not on mythic garf_sit

rotund oak
#

u will take it in 2 weeks anyway

hidden crown
quiet oar
#

Couldnt be me

rotund oak
#

has the dogo high ground

#

(shiba inu father)

hidden crown
#

when do you use trinket anyway? In stealth, out of stealth?

rotund oak
#

DM window

hidden crown
#

got it t

#

thank you

rotund oak
#

yw

cunning needle
#

!restealth

#

!stealth

lyric vale
#

Execute phasee feel so good

#

Now im feeling the feeling of arms warriors

rotund oak
subtle kiln
#

2 all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese on a sesame seed bun

woeful lantern
#

Sorry for really noob questions, is Mutilate the only way to apply caustic spatter?

coral ibex
#

ambush also works

woeful lantern
#

Im assuming caustic spatter is pretty high prio in aoe situations like m+?

spice surge
#

It should literally always be up yes

woeful lantern
# spice surge It should literally always be up yes

I started rogue 3 days ago and like an ape I was using hekili because I didn't expect to like it so much.

But it literally never has me using mut in aoe situations.
I've turned it off last night.

What is the ideal opener in an aoe pull.

Big first pull in priory for example?

Stealth -> ambush -> garrotex2 -> rupture -> mut -> rupture -> FoK till 7 cp then CT?

spice surge
#

To build combo points you'd priotize them like this:
applying spatter > spreading garrotes on targets that dont have > fok

woeful lantern
#

Spatter is only necessary on prio target?

spice surge
#

You can only have 1

rotund oak
#

yes

#

it literally is a debuff that ''spatters'' dmg

woeful lantern
#

Should I be tab target when spreading garote or just continue using on prio target?

coral ibex
#

will they ever rework assa to not be entirely based on target debuffs

olive tree
#

U can mouseover ur garrotes and ruptures

rotund oak
#

rotation section

spice surge
#

Hopefully not, if anything i hope they make it more debuff (ie bleed) based

#

Spatter doesnt feel as good as big bleeds imo

rotund oak
#

spatter exists on bleed build as well though

woeful lantern
coral ibex
#

ehhhhh

rotund oak
coral ibex
#

is there even another dps spec that has to deal with that

woeful lantern
#

Thank you 🙏

spice surge
#

Arcane

#

Probably others too

#

But also like, deathmark doesnt matter that much for aoe damage

olive tree
coral ibex
#

yea but losing uses of your sync'd pot/trinket bc you dont have good deathmark targets

#

sucks

rotund oak
spice surge
olive tree
indigo sphinx
spice surge
#

Not deathmark garf

indigo sphinx
#

I can read /s KEKL

rotund oak
#

about the same

keen spruce
olive tree
spice surge
#

If youre not playing +17s play bleed Surebud

keen spruce
#

If you’re not doing zeross level keys don’t do zeross build

olive tree
#

I just wondered what he cooked

coral ibex
analog field
rotund oak
#

we dont do that here friend

keen spruce
coral ibex
#

0 days since last hekili discussion

shadow tulip
#

Guys! Whuch would you chose between myth dagger with wrong secondary (I have guilded craftes and hero 6/6) or myth legs (I have hero 6/6 and we haven't killed Stix yet). I'm tempted to pick the legs since it's a big stat budget slot and I can just recraft my dagger with the matrix when .7 hits. Thoughts?

rotund oak
coral ibex
#

assa has no "wrong" secondary stats

woeful lantern
# rotund oak You just said the H word

I know, like I said i was just dabling with rogue, I didn't expect to like it so much so I was using the addon that shall not be named.

Then I noticed last night it literally never as me applying caustic spatter in AOE

#

So I deleted it

spice spire
olive tree
spice spire
#

He’s borderline part of the huzz like u king

shadow tulip
coral ibex
#

quake you are too advanced in your years to be saying huzz

woeful lantern
#

Do we pool for raid as well?

indigo sphinx
#

I'm not sure Ronkles has Ronkles at this point tbh, that boi is too kind with his time

woeful lantern
#

LOL

coral ibex
#

is the point

#

your main hand should be 678 if at all possible

rotund oak
indigo sphinx
spice spire
indigo sphinx
#

His ego can't handle it

#

He's just a baby boi

spice spire
#

(Also I know I hate it here)

coral ibex
#

IF YOU DONT KNOW YOU DO NOW

patent iron
#

quick question,

coral ibex
#

quicker answer

#

next

patent iron
#

so after you've used both shivs during the KB window

spice spire
patent iron
#

do you just hold onto your next shiv, or send it

rotund oak
#

bold to assume we use 2 shivs

coral ibex
#

you should save 2 shivs for every DM window

rotund oak
#

full coverage of the window

coral ibex
#

you can use 1 shiv for a dry shiv in lingering darkness

#

and then use 1 shiv during the non-dm kb

rotund oak
#

ive ditched 2nd shiv for IW

#

i believe that mfk@rs cant kick in m+

patent iron
#

second question

coral ibex
#

aint no way brother

#

press blind

earnest remnant
# patent iron do you just hold onto your next shiv, or send it

in single target you use both charges for KB windows (there is a small minmax with dry shivs but you can read up on that yourself)
AoE is bit more tricky you can techincally use them for AoE dmg if you are specced into Aterial precision if not then just with KB as normal
and if you only run 1 charge of shiv you use it so it covers the ending of KB

rotund oak
#

did stealthu just write all this starege

spice spire
#

No

coral ibex
#

i was god's strongest iw defender last season

spice spire
#

I did and sent it to him

coral ibex
#

havent talented it once this season

#

just not necessary

earnest remnant
patent iron
#

is there any gameplay around trying to bank your tea when you start to get low on energy and you're 20-30 seconds away from your next KB window

spice spire
#

You were never god’s strongest iw defender then

#

I’ve not talented out (my damage suffers)

coral ibex
#

that's all

patent iron
#

even if i've got almost no energy?

coral ibex
#

and pool with 5+ cp so you can envenom > shiv > kb

coral ibex
#

being starved outside ur cds doesn't matter

sturdy stirrup
#

hello how should i sim sin rogue

#

dslice is enough or

red schooner
sturdy stirrup
#

thanks

errant heath
#

Hold up. We don’t dry shiv anymore?

coral ibex
#

we do?

#

what gives you that impression

errant heath
#

The above convo. Nevermind

cursive marsh
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
quiet oriole
#

You always tea with shiv?

keen spruce
strange python
#

!fu

#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
proper star
#

we get a nerfed this week?? my dps is so low

coral ibex
#

nope

dapper cradle
#

the zeross build is bait btw

#

i tried it in my weekly no leaver 60 death +7 vault key

#

and I was doing tank damage

subtle tundra
nova aspen
#

played in mdi = bait

spice spire
#

I mean kind of

#

When you’re pulling 800 things your build will likely perform very different than normal ass keys

#

But I also believe in my goat and know he’d never gaslight an entire community

subtle kiln
#

No details screen shot. No good.

indigo sphinx
subtle kiln
#

Also bote > iris

spice spire
loud hawk
#

guys it seems when i sim the Bleed Build in raidbots,it seems a lot better to have more haste

#

it tells me to change gems to haste ones

coral ibex
#

yep

loud hawk
#

and to change some items which they give Crit mastery to Haster Mastery/crit

#

i mean i go for that or is just on sims

spice spire
#

That’s literally in the pins about it

subtle tundra
nova aspen
#

casual is playing it on saturday

#

he said it here earlier this morning

subtle tundra
#

bruh playing rogue this mdi

#

LMAO

subtle kiln
#

ain’t no way

nova aspen
#

he has another one above that one

#

its not bait

#

it is in low keys tho

midnight mist
#

Nice try padding mate

#

I see trough it

subtle tundra
earnest remnant
midnight mist
#

Disgusting behavior actually

earnest remnant
#

GET HIM!

midnight mist
#

I would be ashamed

keen mantle
#

kek

earnest remnant
#

ill remove 2.6mil

midnight mist
#

Ye

earnest remnant
#

for fraudiant behavior

keen mantle
#

that works

midnight mist
#

Don't try to fool us

keen mantle
#

if i send you my dk overalls you will delete game tho

#

kek

midnight mist
#

Nah I'm good

#

I do the same damage as outlaw anyway

#

Off stream

sonic schooner
#

i mean

haughty flicker
sonic schooner
#

removing 2.6m dps

#

would be removing outlaw 100% dps from the game

earnest remnant
#

(im not playing wow at all atm)

keen mantle
#

new rogue

sonic schooner
#

(same)

indigo sphinx
sonic schooner
#

no speed tert stats

#

gg

woeful lantern
#

Last really dumb question, for now.
My m+ group struggles with boss damage.
We normally run Guardian, Ret, UH, Fury/Dev, Rsham.

Which rogue spec would fit in best for boss damage?
Were timing 14s and working on 15s

sonic schooner
#

slow dk

keen mantle
nova aspen
#

TR gear is juiced

sonic schooner
#

ikr i was memeing about tr tert stats

earnest remnant
#

only freaks

sonic schooner
#

idk if i like it or no, but at the end i m not impacted by it so enjoy it i guess

midnight mist
#

@keen mantle team name so I can hate watch?

earnest remnant
#

Overall frauds

nova aspen
sonic schooner
#

Padding demons

earnest remnant
#

blizzard balance goes brrt

midnight mist
#

These are some good names no cap

earnest remnant
#

best name

subtle tundra
#

only team i root for is Ducks Can Fly

earnest remnant
#

could be worse he didn't do the legion drjay

nova aspen
#

pulling onto boss is ethical

earnest remnant
#

reset details before 40mob pull

nova aspen
#

no pad

earnest remnant
#

into full cds

midnight mist
#

Jay still does that

nova aspen
#

since its funneling its ethical

midnight mist
#

Based tho

earnest remnant
midnight mist
#

I never watch him and I have seen him do it

#

So

sonic schooner
#

how did u never watched him

#

but seen him doing it

#

susge

earnest remnant
#

that math aint mathin

indigo sphinx
#

He uses all of his IQ to be a details knower, and has nothing left for outlawtypers

primal mural
#

Just did a dungeon as assa and my stealth kept being removed. What's up with that?
I don't have this problem as outlaw

midnight mist
#

Affix is shit

#

Play higher keys so you don't have affixes

#

Nvm that was last week affix

#

Probably same shit with this week affix tho

primal mural
#

The balls remove stealth?

brave stump
#

Yes

#

Its inconsistent tho

nova aspen
#

i like this week

#

u get a 5 target ct on bosses

humble verge
#

average assa enjoyer vs sub player

#

not tryna out the guy, he was an alt anyways

hidden crown
#

bro just wants to trash on other specs

olive night
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
brisk forge
proper star
#

now on TOP

winged sun
humble verge
#

pretty high for doing that damage

humble verge
brisk forge
subtle tundra
#

well yeah sub isnt really one of the specs you can just activate and do damage on

winged sun
#

avg pug experience

proper star
humble verge
proper star
#

your

humble verge
#

oh

proper star
#

the assa

humble verge
#

its the standard bleed build

#

i logged off but

#

i think raiderio shows it

proper star
#

oh yeah

humble verge
loud hawk
#

do we need more haste for bleed build ?

humble verge
#

how was the tour casual

keen mantle
#

insane

brave stump
#

This mfer is Living the life