assassination

[balmy condor]

but we do the speed strat

[dreamy rover]

Is it worth it though?

[golden loom]

I am not in tomorrow so boss probably dies

[balmy condor]

I don't lose a cast and I'm like top 3 on that add wave so I'd say so

[dreamy rover]

I find myself still cleaving adds a bit at end of CD set

But idk

Im assigned to

Destroy boss

Thats my job

Big damage on boss

[golden loom]

Well holding would give more damage on the bomb adds I assume hes meaning

Cause that would line up better

[balmy condor]

so I hold for like 6 seconds on pull

so it lines up my opener and the 1min kb with assistants

we do raid aoe -> gold magnet -> fire boxes

[dreamy rover]

Ill try it out today

[balmy condor]

dm comes back up on the assistants before the fire boxes

and I hold that for fire boxes

[dreamy rover]

You dot the big dude, throw a few envenoms and send CDs right?

[golden loom]

Ye I can see it

[balmy condor]

dot big dude, rupture one of the assistants, then envenom 2x and cds generally

I have a reminder set for the timing so it lines up

sometimes its 2 env sometimes its 1

kinda wahtever

[dreamy rover]

Oh youre rupturing the adds that are on boss?

[coral ibex]

i wish we would do the speed strat but we are just not like that

[dreamy rover]

The 1st assistants

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

I'm rupturing adds on every single wave

[dreamy rover]

The dudes fixing boss that are there on pull

[balmy condor]

yes

[dreamy rover]

I wasnt rupturing those 1st dudes

Ill do that

[coral ibex]

rupture sniping goes so hard on bandit

[dreamy rover]

Its insane

[golden loom]

Well if you send cds insta you wouldnt rupture them

[dreamy rover]

You just never get energy starved

[balmy condor]

delaying cds means you run out of energy before getting to your dm

[coral ibex]

CS CB FB FC SB SF

this is our coin order

[golden loom]

Nice words bro

Me follow boss Smorc

[strange tundra]

too much instagram reels

he has to do that to every word

[balmy condor]

that's standard no

[coral ibex]

probably

[golden loom]

I still hate the flame tornadoes

Otherwise I like boss

[coral ibex]

im not involved in the strats

i just copied that from my vod from last night

me hit boss

[golden loom]

Probably the most fun boss so far

[balmy condor]

you get the golden fixate boxes on your uh

2nd set?

3rd?

[golden loom]

The cc ones?

[balmy condor]

cc immune yeh

[golden loom]

Oh immune

[balmy condor]

the tiny golden ones that spawn in like a pack of 8

[golden loom]

We had CC immune -> CC -> fire exploding ones

[balmy condor]

not the 3 fiery boxes

yeh

so my guild is trying to skip the cc immune

we swap orders around

[coral hollow]

quick question, does spatter work on the jails on mug zee?

[golden loom]

Ohh

[balmy condor]

yes but its finnicky and it's at the mercy of tank/boss positioning

[golden loom]

So you skip 1 set but get an extra pylon?

Or random spawn

[balmy condor]

if mug'zee is off by like half a step or the jails aren't perfectly close enough you don't get the spatter

[coral ibex]

the cc immune set comes out at 1:45 for us

[balmy condor]

we skip 1 set, and we're trying to skip the cc immunes

[balmy condor]

yeah that's the normal strat

so instead of those, we get all the other combos

[coral hollow]

thanks

[balmy condor]

and then those would be last

but we're gonna try and skip them entirely and push p2

[golden loom]

Not stopping damage sounds nice

[coral ibex]

the skip strat is so you dont have to hold damage right

[balmy condor]

yeh

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor where vault

[golden loom]

But also its probably harder?

[coral ibex]

i dont think we'll ever do that

[balmy condor]

but we're doing it cause we got skullfucked by those adds

[coral ibex]

we dont really have a problem with them

[balmy condor]

we extended, I took myth gloves for cata

[coral ibex]

eleem's vanish wa goes so hard

i aint never getting fixated bruh

[golden loom]

I still did not get it linked!!

[coral ibex]

o mb

[strange tundra]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hidden bay]

who needs a WA

just vanish once fixated

[golden loom]

The other rogue is playing outlaw so we have some fixates jumping around for sure

[coral ibex]

lets you vanish the cast

[balmy condor]

I think it's just a cata gloves and gg track upgrade

but we shall see

I crest converted to max gildeds

maybe sim has some cursed technology

[golden loom]

My vault is gonna be marinating for 4 days

[balmy condor]

that's quite a brine

[strange tundra]

@balmy condor does MA screw my signet?

[balmy condor]

no

MA is not rating

[strange tundra]

ok because it doesnt show the % added

in my ui

[balmy condor]

correct

because it's not global crit

[strange tundra]

not sure what global crit is

i guess from raw stats?

[balmy condor]

raw stats is what's considered rating

like 2319 crit

is rating

20% crit is just a modifier

the thing about MA

and why it's not global

is trinkets and stuff can crit right

but they're not "rogue skills"

so MA doesn't affect them

you can't vanish and have 20% crit on a trinket cast

which is why it doesn't show up in your char UI

[strange tundra]

so its only for spells

[keen spruce]

Bout to get a legendary dagger in there

That’s good marination

[balmy condor]

cause it doesn't globally affect all crit chances

[strange tundra]

i see what u mean ok

[balmy condor]

just the crit chances on rogue-only-skills

[strange tundra]

how long have u been playing rog

[dreamy rover]

Aww that sucks

[balmy condor]

things like signet that say "highest stat" and that kinda thing only evaluate based on rating

[keen spruce]

Too long

[dreamy rover]

I wish i could get 100% crit chance stacking pacemaker with MA

[balmy condor]

11 years

[strange tundra]

nice

i only played it in legion and now

i just played wotlk all my life mostly

u are pro rogue

how do u get to write in wowhead btw

[golden loom]

My vault is gonna go play cata classic?? Pog

[strange tundra]

what was the process to get that priviledge

[harsh anchor]

he got good

[keen spruce]

No new one

550 ilvl

[coral ibex]

i think its just a job you apply for tbh

[keen spruce]

Not even data mined

Cuz I just made it up

[golden loom]

550 hot garbage all for me? 😊

[strange tundra]

maybe its participating in that community for years it says wowhead is owned by zam

if its a job thats a great job

[keen spruce]

What are ilvls now I thought you guys are in the 4s

[golden loom]

678 for 6/6 myth

[keen spruce]

Ok 750

[golden loom]

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

all 3 wowhead rogue specs many years ago were written by 1 guy named mystler, who was a big simc/theorycrafter type. When he retired he recommended me, fuu, and guy to head assa, sub, and outlaw respectively, and all 3 of us accepted

[short sedge]

Bros can someone tell me if I should use finishers at 3cp if I have supercharger

[balmy condor]

you can, but it's not a gain or anything

it's neutral

[short sedge]

I see

[strange tundra]

is it like a job or just for fun

[balmy condor]

it is a job yes

[strange tundra]

nice

[balmy condor]

we get paid and there are deadlines and requirements and such

[strange tundra]

is it worth it in your opinion

or u do like other job too

[balmy condor]

I mean the assa guide alone can't pay the bills or anything, there's just not enough work there for a typical 9-5 right

you have to cram a huge update in every patch, which is just hours and hours of misery and suffering in a short burst

and then basically nothing for 3 months

[strange tundra]

i guess if u are passionate its good

for rogue

[short sedge]

Kinda criminal considering some of the guides out there

[balmy condor]

I recently quit my irl job as a bowling alley mechanic to work at wowhead full time

but not because of the assa guide

[coral ibex]

gotta be high pash for that

[balmy condor]

and it's also not really "full time"

but it replaced the income of my mechanic job so however you want to spin that

[strange tundra]

but u get paid salary right?

[balmy condor]

hourly

[strange tundra]

okay

[balmy condor]

all guide writers kinda fall under freelance journalism

[strange tundra]

ok makes sense

[balmy condor]

not just wowhead but basically every guide page for every game

so we're all contractors

[strange tundra]

i havent worked in journalism like news and stuff but i work in film/tv/commercials

and makes sense what u mean

[balmy condor]

yeh

my main income source these days is diablo 4 news/guides

which is basically just raw journalism

[strange tundra]

i hope you reach your goals 💪🏿

[coral ibex]

are you playing a lot of d4 then

[balmy condor]

who's asking

[coral ibex]

just curious

[balmy condor]

is this a test

the diplomatic answer is that I play enough d4 to fully understand the systems and intricacies to bring high quality barbarian guides and insightful news posts to the community

the true answer is no, not really

[coral ibex]

yea thats fair

[lavish portal]

Question, rupture 7sec left and I have Darkestnight proc, im going for refresh oder Full combopoint into envenom?

[coral ibex]

i didn't think you were secretly a huge d4 head

[strange tundra]

he does more research than play it

[coral ibex]

but you dont have to enjoy your job as a hobby to be good at it

[strange tundra]

that makes sense lol

[coral ibex]

[golden loom]

Darkest night

[balmy condor]

I mean its a fine game

it's just not a game I'd play for more than like 20-25 hours a season

[strange tundra]

it had a rough start but idk if its good now i havent kept up

[balmy condor]

yeah it's fine

[coral ibex]

yea

[balmy condor]

it's not like the greatest thing

[strange tundra]

i might try it again

[balmy condor]

but it's ok

[strange tundra]

but dont have the time

to try poe 2 and d4 and play wow

kek

[lavish portal]

I make maybe the deal to drop rupture

[coral ibex]

i've thought about trying to do something similar with magic the gathering

like try to write for edhrec

[golden loom]

Good way to avoid it would be using rupture as the finisher that procced the last mark

[strange tundra]

well u either do it out of passion only, or out of passion and to make it into something worth doing for money

[coral ibex]

i dont have much journo pash tho so i'd just be trying to leverage my hobby for money

and i hate that

[strange tundra]

the point of trying is to see if its worth

i dont mean worth in money

just worth for u in general

[balmy condor]

the most work aside from barb guides I do every season is https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/guide/27958

and then obviously like day to day news

if you open the d4 news side of wowhead

you basically can't escape the flood of whispyr

[restive elm]

You guys using dslice sims for mythic+ or something else?

[coral ibex]

i didnt even know wowhead covered d4

tbh

[balmy condor]

dslice yes

[balmy condor]

ye

[golden loom]

What about starcraft 2 news

[balmy condor]

true

[urban sandal]

how the hell do yall do delves lmao so used to doing it with my tanks

[coral ibex]

i get my sc2 news from another W named guy

[vast loom]

when you do these articles do you get all the images and stuff or are you just writing

[balmy condor]

nooj's got a W guy for that

[balmy condor]

just bleed

idk

crank dam

stealth

[coral ibex]

its true

[golden loom]

Make sure to have brann as healer and then just kill stuff

[coral ibex]

dude has epic thumbnails

[golden loom]

Walk into red potions

[coral ibex]

yea brann red pots carry delves

[golden loom]

Wait u actually play sc2

[urban sandal]

maybe 621 ilvlv isnt helping too

[strange tundra]

I put brann tank and invite 1 healer

[balmy condor]

complicated answer, we tried out some thumbnail stuff recently, so like some of the more youtubey/click thumbnail type things from recent posts were stuff I had to photoshop. Typically we pull image sources from the game/press kits

[coral ibex]

nah not really, i just used to follow the pro scene

[golden loom]

621 does sound rough but u can surely do lower tier delves

[coral ibex]

im an age of empires/age of mythology rts enjoyer

[golden loom]

Closest thing to an RTS I play is tft but im washed!!!!!

[balmy condor]

sim wants me to cata into the giga vers helm

aint no way

[subtle tundra]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

fuck you varas I'll lick your asshole till it shines

[subtle tundra]

polish me papa

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

it also wants me to upgrade my wrist craft instead of putting crests into my myth gloves

crazy work

[spice spire]

Don’t steal my bit

[golden loom]

What are your vibes telling you tho

[balmy condor]

the only thing I'm stealing from you is your virginity

[golden loom]

The sim doesnt factor that in

[spice spire]

You’re like 15 years late for that one king

[balmy condor]

martin is never late king

the early bird gets the worm

[viscid spear]

Better step up your game, brubby

[indigo epoch]

What's double shiv bug? Reading wowhead someone in comments bitching about it

[balmy condor]

no clue

but reading wowhead comments is bad for your health

don't recommend that

[indigo epoch]

Man that's sage advice

[subtle tundra]

you dont fabricate fake bug posts?

[balmy condor]

there is an infinite well of dumbfucks in wowhead comments

[spice spire]

What about YouTube comments

[balmy condor]

honestly youtube comments might be better than wowhead comments

[spice spire]

Idk Wowhead doesn’t provide peak content like yt can

[balmy condor]

cause at least there's like a community/interaction happening on youtube

it takes a special kind of deranged person to comment on a fucking wowhead post

[spice spire]

Ass master but not the rogue kind etc

Tomrus my goat

[golden loom]

Wowhead comments are only useful if they are dated like 2006

[balmy condor]

we recently had a guy on the d4 side that would comment on every thumbnail I made to bitch about how clickbait it was

and I'm sitting there like idk man more people are clicking and I'm doing what I'm told

[spice spire]

Buddy that’s literally the point

Incredible

[balmy condor]

after like 3 or 4 of them

he just started commenting shit like

"really? even after the feedback you continue this trash clickbait..."

as if those articles he's commenting on weren't staged like 4 days prior and getting drip-fed

oh yes massa, one person commented negatively on a thumbnail experiment we're doing for 2 weeks

let me just delete all the already made thumbnails

and change all the scheduled posts

just for you

[subtle tundra]

he is literally helping your numbers by giving more interactions

[balmy condor]

correct

and like, as shitty as it is to clickbait

the clicks from external increased by a shit ton

cause like

yeah

oh boy oh boy, I wonder which of these are going to get more clicks on the internet

mb I guess

[coral ibex]

i mean if "clickbait thumbnails" are a major pain point for you in 2025

life is probably generally pretty rough

[balmy condor]

yeh it's just how life works sadly

[coral ibex]

bro is experiencing psychic assault daily

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-steven-he-emotional-damage-gif-23428142

[coral ibex]

people who write achievement/rare drop guides in the wowhead comments are the goats tho

[balmy condor]

big youtube channels and stuff literally make their thumbnails before they make their videos

and if they can't make a good thumbnail for a video, they don't even record that video

[subtle tundra]

they do a/b testing with clickbait thumbnails

cause it matters that much

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean it's basically as important as video editing

[coral ibex]

yea its a trip to see a video with one thumbnail and then see the same video with a different thumbnail and title hours later

[balmy condor]

good thumbnails legit double the average clicks on whatever it is

news article, youtube video

doesn't matter

you release the same content but get double the ad revenue like it's an absolute no brainer

[coral ibex]

"hm i wasn't interested in this random d4 news but holy FUCK that thumbnail is just tooooo good"

who are these people

[balmy condor]

well it's less that and more just human psychology of needing answers

like you look at mr beast videos or whatever

"I spent 100 days stranded in the ocean"

or whatever the fuck

is that valuable content?

no

[subtle tundra]

i am valuable content

[balmy condor]

but you see mr beast dying on a raft

and your brain is like man shit I wonder what he does

I wonder how he survives

[coral ibex]

yea but the average mr beast viewer has a single digit age

[balmy condor]

and you fucking click

yeah but it's the same concept with anything

like rhett and link? big channel

yeah I wonder what fruity pebbles french toast is like

do you actually care? probably not

will you ever eat it? no

[subtle tundra]

i hate how formulaic the clickbait is

its literally the same

for everything

[balmy condor]

but your brain is intrinsically hardwired to be like "man I fucking wonder"

[haughty flicker]

yeah its been fun watching it become so insanely generic

[coral ibex]

there's one content creator that i'm 1000% sure got clowned for their teeth in the comments and now their thumbnails literally have the most obvious bone-white edit on his teeth

[haughty flicker]

and even moreso when you get into specific types of content

[coral ibex]

i feel really bad

[balmy condor]

it's generic because it got trial and error'd over the last decade

and people have it down to a science

[haughty flicker]

like literally every single league content creator has the exact same thumbnail now

because thats what works

[balmy condor]

like it's formulaic because the formula has been refined and tested and improved and works

[coral ibex]

the mind of a league of legends player is an enigma

[golden loom]

True I am a genius

[coral ibex]

youtube tried to feed me a gbay video titled "lol is good and im tired of pretending it isn't"

not this time demon

[golden loom]

I wish all these other games took up less of my time

So I could grind some League

[hidden bay]

just grind

fuck the other games

[coral ibex]

me @ osrs

[strange tundra]

And gta 6 soon

[coral ibex]

why am i wasting time raiding when i could be getting exp in runescape

[strange tundra]

Don't u just afk in rs

[golden loom]

Nah its too hard to afk while playing wow

[coral ibex]

most "afk" stuff in rs is realistically 5-10 seconds of "afk" at a time

before you have to interact again

[golden loom]

You just end up getting logged out and forgetting about osrs 😦

[strange tundra]

I guess using autohotkey is bankable?

Bannable

[coral ibex]

yes

[golden loom]

I have been playing a bit more again tho so im happy

[coral ibex]

i just hit 97 farming

[golden loom]

Gz

[golden loom]

Staying at a friends house over the next 3 days and he is getting 99 slayer/magic/strenght tomorrow

[coral ibex]

nice

[golden loom]

🥶

[coral ibex]

maxed iron is crazy work

[golden loom]

Crazy to think the acc is getting close to 10 years old

What a ride

[coral ibex]

my first account got hacked the summer i was obsessed with pubg

lost motivation for years after that

i think i clicked a bad email link or something idk

[golden loom]

Classic

I would swim in lava in minecraft if it ever happened to me

[vagrant perch]

test

[restive elm]

You guys see Zeross build from ML 19 last night?

[vast shuttle]

what poisons u run on bleed?

high keys

[balmy condor]

hard not to considering he spams details meters after every run

[balmy condor]

what is a high key

like 16? 18? 19?

[vast shuttle]

shii not that high xd like 13-15 keys

[balmy condor]

then yes, bleed

you run deadly

I'd suggest numbing

but atrophic is fine

[vast shuttle]

alright ty

[spice spire]

Send him to the gulag #1184888068264689756

[balmy condor]

he plays assa

can't send him to the gulag

maybe we make a thread in assa that's just zeross details posting

feels very niche

[spice spire]

“Zeross’s room” quarantined to his own thread

Damn

[balmy condor]

"how do you do so much dam"
do rank 1 keys

yepge

pulls packs in ways that would make the average pug tank in a 15 pucker their ass so hard it shrivels like a raisin

[runic hinge]

He said it’s undersimming but way better than bleed for sure for sure

[balmy condor]

I mean he's not entirely wrong but I think the whole undersimming thing is very alarmist for something that isn't all that major

like there are things that aren't accounted for and sims are a little scuffed

but the scuff affects all the builds

it's not like his build is magically like 5% better than everything else out of nowhere

either that or the entire rogue tc community is blind to sim bugs that are causing specific talents to just not function, or the spec to break entirely

and have been for years at this point

which seems a bit ridiculous as the alternative

eleem's been going over basically every interaction and talent with a fine tooth comb and aside from like the odd edge case or weird mismatched implementation (which doesn't necessarily benefit any particular build significantly more), there's like

not really much there

but we are aware of things and trying to solve it

I rewrote the entire single target APL from scratch the other day to try and see if there's missing logic or something and we couldn't find anything there

idk

things are off, but not more than they are normally, and not to an extent that we need to be freaking out over

[spice spire]

Nope

I’m freaking

[runic hinge]

I think he’s gaslight himself into thinking something he’s cooked has to be way better than something in a guide cause he’s doing high keys and the rest of us are noobs

[balmy condor]

I mean it's a common thing, not really his fault and I don't even think it's conscious

it's just very natural to get to a point where it's like "I need to get more X"

you change talents, you get more X

the run succeeds

and you just build positive reinforcement without any actual data behind it

it's like pavloving yourself

you change something, look at meters, big number, smooth run

dopamine fires

repeat

[lean plover]

assa has big numbers by itself

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean realistically no one, zeross included

runs enough keys to actually have empirical data on this stuff

like the RNG on all the specs is so high

[lean plover]

build works for him in the r1 keys hes doing, so good for him

i just dont get sudden demise with no garrote stuff

[balmy condor]

he could run 30 floodgates, do the same boss with a similar kill time with build A

then run 30 more with build B

and even if he tracks all the numbers and logs and does all the math, realistically he'd only get within like 2.5-3%

[uneven plume]

All the builds are good

They all suck as well

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean it's just hard for me to say what is good and why or bad and where cause sims at that level are essentially no better than feelcraft

so like while I have sim data and stuff to back some educated guesses, it's not really as empirical as say single target

zeross is taking his best stab at it, having success

and that's just kinda the best there is atm

[royal mauve]

Do we ever drop this shitty ring this season or we stuck till next?

[balmy condor]

possible to drop with the turbo boost for some

not a full guarantee

[royal mauve]

Rip

[uneven plume]

Can prob drop now with a big mythic ring

But sim it

Can only see slot machine ring beating it

At mythic

[royal mauve]

I've yet to actually get a mythic ring yet but was curious about crafting one

[runic hinge]

Hero jastors and myth ring were 1% behind for me so idk

Could get close with the boost

[coral ibex]

hero jastor is still like a 1.5% increase for me

[subtle kiln]

Is this factoring the sub swap mid key?

[balmy condor]

[native turret]

can i get Zerosss's latest M+ Build

[subtle kiln]

It’s kinda gear dependent. I had the haste/mastery m+ ring in vault. It was a whole 4k dps higher than circlet

[subtle kiln]

In his discord

or go look at raider.io

[midnight mist]

Hi, I heard zeross was the new community figure and whispyr was stepping down

[runic hinge]

Definitely gear dependent I got the same ring and it’s still below circlet

[midnight mist]

real or fake

[fresh heron]

Is there an easy way to sim Flasks?

[midnight mist]

easiest way is to do 2 quick sims

[balmy condor]

yeh

or just take alchemical

cause it's always better

[fresh heron]

roger, thanks.

[midnight mist]

im still waiting for the day serialos decide that we are allowed to top gear flaks

but oh well

[balmy condor]

I'm waiting for the day blizzard decides that there's actual choice in consumables

[midnight mist]

well

[balmy condor]

instead of making 15 flasks and having 14 of them just be objectively worse

[midnight mist]

there is if your stats are bad so you cant play these silly op flasks

like outlaw is never going to play the stuffs like alchemical ever

and they do these kinda shit every season so

see we can chose between vers and flask

banger

(not banger cause you cant top gear it)

[winged sun]

?

[midnight mist]

oh hi

ross

soon green ross I heard ?

[balmy condor]

ze ross 🇫🇷

[midnight mist]

[winged sun]

Hi

my build is only better for 0.1-1% of all sin rogues in the game i never said i cooked something sin TCs didnt

[rain oyster]

I take Vers flask cause I’m a progression oriented gamer that likes to live

[balmy condor]

that's peak copium

[tiny plank]

!macros

[winged sun]

bleed build is still better than the dashing build on 15s or so

[balmy condor]

surely the 0.7% dr from my flask will be the reason I survive

[midnight mist]

whisp

thoughts on assa rogue that play mastery flask

like every assa rogue in s1

[balmy condor]

no one did that in s1

[midnight mist]

even tho it never simmed better in any scnerio

[balmy condor]

it's a s2 thing

and it sucks

[midnight mist]

no what

[balmy condor]

[midnight mist]

they did it in s1

i swear

it confused me so hard

[winged sun]

yeah thats true

[midnight mist]

cause it never simmed higher

[balmy condor]

I've only heard of it in s2

[midnight mist]

in any scenario

and idk

[winged sun]

everyone played mastery even when it simmed lower

[midnight mist]

i never understood

[winged sun]

cooked

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean

[midnight mist]

dont say cooked

zeross would dm

3 times a day

[balmy condor]

m+ players I guess

[midnight mist]

to change flask

i kid you not

[winged sun]

what

[midnight mist]

ye fr

[balmy condor]

big if true

that's harassment

get banned bozo

[midnight mist]

its true

[winged sun]

zac r1 gaslighter

[midnight mist]

you dont remember ?

thats funny

[winged sun]

ah

zac

btw

they only played mastery because it gave aoe consistently

[midnight mist]

sure idk

[winged sun]

idk what thats supposed to mean

but

[midnight mist]

still simmed lower

[winged sun]

i copied them

i wasnt playing on a high level anyway

i was doing 16s

[balmy condor]

aoe consistently

:thingke

very true

consistently lower

[winged sun]

ye i wasn't convinced by it

i am however playing crit flask now because it sims equal to elemental chaos with the build im running

but ngl i think elemental chaos is just better overall

[lucid silo]

damn myth house of cards isnt even a big improvement over signet

[balmy condor]

mana oil for sure though right zeros

[midnight mist]

I found the logs @winged sun

get owned

[winged sun]

wtf

thats not me ?!?

[lean plover]

isnt your twitch name zerocoolx?

[winged sun]

ye

see zac

[midnight mist]

ye wait true

mb

mb

[sonic schooner]

why are the 2 Z in assa channel now

[midnight mist]

im a sin one trick now cenzi

wait do you need 2 keys to get one vault thing

or is it 1

[iron carbon]

They are broed of teleporting everywhere

[sonic schooner]

have u really swapped sin ???? I know outlaw is down bad dead but still impressed

[spice surge]

1

[midnight mist]

oh thank god

[iron carbon]

Killing spree is giving me std

[midnight mist]

i was about to

delete my alt

[midnight mist]

no yoking

i almost quit the game in s1 from playuing sin

and i did the same shit in sl when i played sub for a season

i think now i learned my lesson

imma stick to outlaw

[sonic schooner]

[midnight mist]

tho its hard rn with ks

makes me rething my life choices

[sonic schooner]

u should apply the one trick rule. Play the game do the prog. Once the prog is over, if your spec isnt good, just leave the game until next tier

[midnight mist]

I mean i play outlaw in reclears anyway

raid has never been a problem

idc about playing the correct spec since its quick anyway '

'its just m+

[subtle kiln]

bleed build is enjoyable at least.

as we all rot in assa hell

[balmy condor]

surely ks gets fixed

[midnight mist]

ye for sure

only been the same spell for 10 years

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxI2tuE2wyWwW-LHksh2HAAtOI9Mj3CXpZ?si=C_3ikut3NoPF_eWh

depleted a key earlier

[subtle kiln]

Right after BF gets uncapped and stops hitting dead bodies

[midnight mist]

wait does the orb explode against walls

ok i didnt know that

im trolling

how did i do so many keys without knowing that

[clever sparrow]

is this dk acc buyer? 3.3 io

[balmy condor]

you mean dev

[clever sparrow]

rookery

[clever sparrow]

devast is 800 io

[midnight mist]

ah ok

[balmy condor]

okay

seems normal then

idk

[midnight mist]

good damage for 800 io then

i didnt know the damage scaled with the io tho

[subtle tundra]

bruh

[midnight mist]

yo bruv

did you know varas?

i swear no one told me

[subtle tundra]

yes?
since day 1

[midnight mist]

i just noticed looking at that clip

nice

why does no one ever tell me

[subtle tundra]

no one told me either

i went in there day 1

and we wiped

[midnight mist]

how did you notice

[subtle tundra]

and we learned

[midnight mist]

idk how do you notice that tho

[subtle tundra]

blind running dungeons day 1

[midnight mist]

cause like, i think its the first time i was close enough to a whole to actually trigger the explode on a player

[subtle tundra]

cause we aimed in the wall? and stayed close to wall?

[balmy condor]

I just read dungeon journal idk

[midnight mist]

i legit didnt know that was a thing

[midnight mist]

you do that ?

idk i legit just run dungeons

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh

[midnight mist]

and i guess i miss things sometimes

you learn everyday

[balmy condor]

true actually

[midnight mist]

@winged sun did you know

nvm he is in keys

this bozo getting gapped

[subtle kiln]

please only respond with dmg taken from boss details img

[balmy condor]

he's got more io than you zac please stop pinging him out of the blue

[subtle kiln]

Zac just fangirling

[balmy condor]

real and true

[wise plover]

zac how do you dodge DFC mole smash with vanish

[midnight mist]

he litteraly pinged me earlier to do keys, he is fangirling me

[midnight mist]

secret tech

[wise plover]

😮

[midnight mist]

also if you spec outlaw

you can do it with ks

[humble verge]

wdym, you just stand infront of it and take no damage

[wise plover]

outlaw nty

[midnight mist]

nah but its just a thing that doesnt do damage if you have like

how do you call that

[humble verge]

bro does not know the real tech - for some reason bug and take no damage

[midnight mist]

no lol

its not a bug

its just that its a weird bump

and vanish cancel roots and shit

ks is the same

you can do the same thing with the paladin thingy

[humble verge]

nah im just talking generally

ive had it just bug

and not hit me

he went straight through me

[balmy condor]

what

[midnight mist]

what is mole smash

i think we are talking about different abilities

[balmy condor]

the big circle in first corridor

[midnight mist]

ye

[wise plover]

the first big guys in DFC

[humble verge]

oh

[balmy condor]

ye

[humble verge]

i was thinking about the boss

rush

[midnight mist]

the frontal from boss you can just evasioon it

[subtle kiln]

ye

[midnight mist]

so you can dodge it natty

if you are lucky

[humble verge]

yeah

[wise plover]

you can evasion charge?

[humble verge]

i think ive dodged it without evasion

yes

since its phys

[wise plover]

lol thats cool

[humble verge]

and considered a phys hit

[clever sparrow]

deva ilvl is 638 😄

but that fking DK

ATLEAST HE HAD 3.3K IO

HOW TF HE REACEHD 3.3 WHEN HE CANT EVEN DEAL DAMAGE

[midnight mist]

huge io

should do 5 mil overall with that io

[balmy condor]

famous dps metric, io score

[clever sparrow]

I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS THAT GUY DOING

[balmy condor]

bigger io bigger person

[midnight mist]

bigger cock ye

works like that usually

[coral ibex]

[humble verge]

bigger io, fat irl

[midnight mist]

ok well

without m+

the game is over

after 1 month

so

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/forsen-possessed-forsen-possessed-gif-25806937

[cedar elm]

[inland dirge]

[humble verge]

WHAT

[inland dirge]

what did i do

[coral ibex]

just join a worse guild so prog takes long

xd

[midnight mist]

longer prog means im stuck on sub for longer

[lost plover]

we still use cyrce's when turbo mode kicks in right?

[lusty kraken]

good question

[clever sparrow]

anyone can tell me how to play with this build?

i was playing bleed have no idea

[humble verge]

now this is something

[lusty kraken]

you probably place 5 bleeds

then spam envenom

[humble verge]

this is hybrid without MA

what

[lean plover]

you dont bc you are not one the of the 3 rogues this build is useful for

[humble verge]

oh, double shiv

[clever sparrow]

bleed is shit in ToP tho

and i rather learn to play it instead of locking my self behind imaginary cell

[balmy condor]

just don't play that

[clever sparrow]

what to play in Top?

bleed is shit

[lean plover]

its not shit xd

wtf

[viscid spear]

Bleed Bleed Bleed

[clever sparrow]

whos gonna kill the bosses

and st mobs tho

[inland dirge]

not my problem

[lean plover]

If you want st why are u assa

[clever sparrow]

no idea

[subtle kiln]

Thinking hard as rogue

[viscid spear]

[lean plover]

Press n swap to sub at that point

[viscid spear]

Put the Bleed build on, honey

[clever sparrow]

not a fan of sub

[quasi ingot]

i just always tell myself...theres 2 other dps..if i out damage them on packs ill even out come bosses 😛

[clever sparrow]

can go outlaw

[fallen charm]

if number of targets >1, bleed is good

[clever sparrow]

but needed the io for assa

😄

also outlaw is bug

[iron carbon]

Bleeds is ok in Top

wtf

[midnight mist]

just play a st build its prolly better st and aoe than outlaw

[iron carbon]

Same damages than sub

[subtle kiln]

Hope you have a shaman for sub

[quasi ingot]

can anybody tell me... at 666ilvl is 4.08m overall dmg in a +12 floodgate dookie? or ok?

[balmy condor]

sounds great ya

gj

[subtle kiln]

amazeballs

[midnight mist]

666

demonic

[subtle kiln]

Gj

[quasi ingot]

hahaha i just feel a huge radiation of sarcasm in a wave my way for some reason

[buoyant herald]

no, its good

[lavish wing]

wait, dmg or dps, if dmg thats low 😄

[viscid spear]

No sarcasm here, Satan

[lusty kraken]

that's just how whispyr is

[balmy condor]

no one can tell you if that's good or not

but 4m sounds fine

[buoyant herald]

lots of factors go into overall key dps but over 4m in any dungeon at any ilvl really is perfectly fine

[lusty kraken]

and then he asks himself why people don't listen to him

[balmy condor]

we weren't sitting there watching you run the key who knows

[balmy condor]

I've legit never said this

[subtle kiln]

projecting whispyr thoughts. Interesting take.

[lusty kraken]

never said you did

it's just my head canon

[balmy condor]

bro is in my head fr

[quasi ingot]

right. im just trying to learn and just now pushing 12s (if i can get passed the LFG boss) so i was curious to where people kind of sat on the meters...i know theres alot of factors but just if overall was decent i guess

[balmy condor]

knows me better than myself

[lusty kraken]

for why you keep losing your sanity here

[lean plover]

People dont listen to him because he doesnt have casualaddict io (casual asks him about talents)

[balmy condor]

I keep losing my sanity here cause it's the same 10 questions over and over on loop

and then people just make shit up

out of nowhere

[subtle kiln]

are my stat weights ok?

[quasi ingot]

whispyrs youtube bleed build came across my front page a few weeks ago and ive been enjoying this build

[balmy condor]

what is rupture sniping, idk read a guide

what is a dry shiv, idk read a guide

[coral ibex]

would you rather get pinged asking about stat weights or "is the bis gear on wowhead actually bis"

gun to your head

[subtle kiln]

when is assa ST getting buffed?

[lean plover]

whispyr what do we swap for iron wire

in bleed build

[balmy condor]

people show up expecting the channel to just be personal chatgpt

[buoyant herald]

are the guides up to date, i saw streamer x playing a different build from the guide WHY

[balmy condor]

pisses me off

[lean plover]

[lavish wing]

dry shiv is when she's not rly into u but u stab anyway

[iron carbon]

Why am I starving energy in ST?

[subtle kiln]

Why is shit in ToP?

[coral ibex]

ok google show me the best talents for m+ at my key level

[fallen charm]

why my dad left?

[quasi ingot]

im still here daughter

[olive harbor]

hello guys i got a problem

[subtle kiln]

why does Quake look like the milkman?

[buoyant herald]

WhispyrGPT about to spiral out

[olive harbor]

i enjoy a lot playing outlaw , but my dmg is really bad compared with Assasain

[subtle kiln]

so play outlaw and get better at it

[olive harbor]

i just started few days ago on rogue, and deal 5m on dummies at 630 ivll

[quasi ingot]

outlaw is apprently bugged atm i think i read?

[iron carbon]

If you playing outlaw with sin stuff, I can guess the issue

[balmy condor]

honestly me talking about why I'm a grumpy sarcastic shithead has gotten so common it's starting to make me grumpy because I keep explaining myself over and over

the self-fulfilling prophecy

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-coroca-gif-9112257082821794556

[olive harbor]

i wish to learn, but readed all the guides and cannot play it well, think going to need to keep assasain

[iron carbon]

Great ! Do it in dungeon now 🙂

[olive harbor]

probably i play bad both, but with assa im doing more dmg

[spice surge]

Play whatever you enjoy the most is my best tips ngl

[olive harbor]

yes in dungeon im doing well and people gives me the loot

[iron carbon]

Your damages on dummies as outlaw looks Hugh cuz you never stop vanishing

[balmy condor]

5mil on dummies isn't even bad

what are we doing

[buoyant herald]

personally i prefer to play what i enjoy least but sims highest, so i can hate playing the spec, still be bad, and just reroll faster

[lusty kraken]

what

[olive harbor]

at 630

with outlaw stats

[iron carbon]

My details reset when I vanish

[olive harbor]

my outlaw cannot make more than 1.5k

[lusty kraken]

look at dynamic overall damage

[lavish wing]

ye if u dps long enough those dummies in execute range ur sps will be a bit higher than usual

[olive harbor]

dynamic 1.9

[lavish wing]

as assa

[olive harbor]

so its not real?

[iron carbon]

Ikr

[balmy condor]

your damage is fine mate

your stats are fine, damage is fine

it's fine

what's the issue

[iron carbon]

You fine bro

[olive harbor]

ok , so going to try to start to love assasain

[quasi ingot]

now tell him you mean it @balmy condor lmaoo

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/ross-geller-david-schwimmer-im-fine-friends-im-okay-gif-13476459

[buoyant herald]

fiiiiine 😰

[balmy condor]

need rob to tell me if I actually meant it or not

I'm so unsure of myself

[iron carbon]

Just play what you like

[olive harbor]

i like the other one, but will take severals days of training to make results,

on this one, im getting benefits instantly

[iron carbon]

So?

[lusty kraken]

don't listen to him, he's just trying to make people to stop asking him questions

[quasi ingot]

nothing is better than to blast on rogue in keys while bumping to NBA Street Vol 2 soundtrack. what do you guys pump too?

[balmy condor]

your mom typically

[quasi ingot]

hawt

[iron carbon]

You comparing the easy spec and the hard spec

[olive harbor]

nothing to say, you said before, in long term have to play what i like it

[balmy condor]

true

[olive harbor]

i dont know, just new at rogue, i didnt know this is the easiest one

[iron carbon]

That's why I tell you

[olive harbor]

i would be starting playing this one, its is more friendly with new rogues

[subtle kiln]

Run away. Try mage.

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/burned-food-wtf-gif-22978287

[iron carbon]

Just looking the at the rotation page

You can see that Outlaw is fcking hard to play perfectly

[olive harbor]

played mage 6 years sir, im looking to change a bit

[subtle kiln]

Ok. Anything else.

[wanton path]

When u don’t play 2x shiv is it better at end of DM or in opener

[lavish wing]

dk. play dk.

[subtle kiln]

rogue is misery

[winged sun]

ofc its a bomb wdym

[balmy condor]

end

[midnight mist]

did you know it explode against walls tho?

i didnt

[winged sun]

yea

[midnight mist]

wtf

[olive harbor]

rogue have a good community, i readed whipyr guides helped me a lot

[balmy condor]

rolled

[midnight mist]

why didnt you tell me

[subtle kiln]

I bet he read the dungeon guide

[winged sun]

i mean ofc i know i play 24/7 lol

[balmy condor]

flattened

[midnight mist]

tell me all your secrets rat guy

[olive harbor]

ty for the help, be back on the next doubt

[dreamy rover]

Whoipser is the graateat s guide writer wowhead has

[winged sun]

RAT

[subtle kiln]

You must have missed the line that says play any other class.

[quasi ingot]

where to do i buy the english dlc

[iron carbon]

You should rest a bit

[winged sun]

I AM DW

capslock

[balmy condor]

bartender needs to cut you off man it's too early to be hammered

[dreamy rover]

Lol

LETS get it!!

[winged sun]

u want a sin secret

or a dungeons secret

[lavish wing]

victorias?

[dreamy rover]

Tell us a dungeon secret

[balmy condor]

wait I wanna know a sin secret

[winged sun]

okay

[balmy condor]

I'll trade you secrets zeross, you give a secret and I'll give one

[winged sun]

sure

[midnight mist]

dungeon secret

[winged sun]

dm's or here

[midnight mist]

idc about sin

[balmy condor]

here

[balmy condor]

that's rude as hell

[midnight mist]

mb king

i care about sin

[balmy condor]

ty

[grim jay]

His dick is 19cm long

[quasi ingot]

dont care about sin while in the sin chat! wtf is taht elvis!

[grim jay]

Oh wait no thats sins, not sin

[winged sun]

helpful on st for m+

[midnight mist]

elvos

[winged sun]

@balmy condor

[midnight mist]

wtf you dropping the master tech now

[lavish wing]

can we evasion scrapmaster? 😄

[iron carbon]

No fucking way?

[dreamy rover]

Delete msg

Pls

[winged sun]

sure

ok sorry

[quasi ingot]

I WAS HERE

[midnight mist]

evild david

[dreamy rover]

Ty i love you

[midnight mist]

very evil of you

[viscid spear]

Reported

[dreamy rover]

I try to be 😈

[winged sun]

well you cant use it in raids

[humble verge]

me just looking through whatever the shit is going in here and then going about my day

[winged sun]

invalidates ur log instantly

[dreamy rover]

STOP

[balmy condor]

I saw it in mod log

smile

[humble verge]

what did bro even send

[winged sun]

yeah i know

[viscid spear]

Too late

[dreamy rover]

Test it out, its crazy

[midnight mist]

dick pics

[balmy condor]

okay my turn, dm or here

[midnight mist]

idk was weird

[winged sun]

i prefer dm

[humble verge]

wait what

he sent a dick pic

[midnight mist]

wtf ??

[humble verge]

like

[dreamy rover]

DM ME

[humble verge]

on god?

[midnight mist]

send it here

tf is this

[dreamy rover]

DM ME PLEASE EHISPEOR

[viscid spear]

Yeah, a big honking hog

[midnight mist]

hiding tech

[brave stump]

Lmao

[humble verge]

ill give you my hog

[quasi ingot]

POST IT HERE turns on kanyes cousins

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/yawn-boar-pig-hog-summer-gif-10546652396781305870

[viscid spear]

Say less

[midnight mist]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-suck-sucker-sucking-gif-13638182052461067209

[humble verge]

OK CHILL ZAC

[dreamy rover]

HOG

[viscid spear]

Imagine that cousin catching fades all week