assassination

[royal lantern]

[spice surge]

Surely they give sub some of those, but then again they didnt last tuning patch

Which surprised me a lot

[coral ibex]

NA up

[lean plover]

its a sim yoself angle

nah fr dogshit vault

unless u have hc legs

[strange tundra]

only for catalyst ig

[coral ibex]

no i have full myth 4p

[strange tundra]

😭

[lean plover]

juicy socket then

dont you like .1% upgrade?

[strange tundra]

not even

0.09%

still dps increase

[lean plover]

sockets about to be withing sim error lmfao

why do gems give so little stats now tho

[native heron]

fuck yes

[strange tundra]

when is the crest lift

this reset?

[dim tide]

14 May

[coral ibex]

its a socket angle

[strange tundra]

how to get so much myth track without raids 😭

[nova aspen]

i wish i had a 678 mainhand

4 rik kills not 1 dagger

[coral ibex]

idk i raid

couldn't tell you

just do raid

[strange tundra]

boring for me

[coral ibex]

guess you dont get more myth loot then

[strange tundra]

real

[nova aspen]

i mean if u dont raid u get at most 1 myth item per week

sounds like thats ur issue

[strange tundra]

yes but u are like what max 670

ilvl

[thorny rain]

Im late to the party, is there no fuu word doc with our BiS gear for this season?

[strange tundra]

ppl who raid are 675 or some shit

[spice surge]

You can craft too

[coral ibex]

im only 673 with spending all my crests this week

[strange tundra]

i've used everything i can, just go by resets thats the m+ player struggle

[spice surge]

Most people raiding dont have much more gear than the people not raiding really

Most good alts in my guild are like 1 ilvl below their main

[fresh kelp]

am 8/8 and 670 blud

[strange tundra]

i didnt say everyone

but there are a lot of ppl at 675+ already

because they raid

[spice surge]

Crafting is just OP

[strange tundra]

i go reset by reset

crest cap and spark caps

[coral ibex]

i dont think im that much further ahead

[golden loom]

675 sounds crazy

[coral ibex]

yea i mean if you are doing 8/8M clears for multiple weeks now

gonna have a lot of gear

[strange tundra]

yea

[coral ibex]

im still progging tho

[strange tundra]

i was just asking if theres some tech for m+ players

[nova aspen]

sounds like a reward for raiding

[strange tundra]

why no reward for sweating keys

[nova aspen]

that just seems silly

[coral ibex]

i just volunteered to sit for the first 4 bosses in mythic this week bc i would get literally 0 dps gain from it

[golden loom]

this is mine pre-reset so I guess I can gain like 2 ilvls this week?

[nova aspen]

it goes both ways

u just cut ur pve end game in half

[strange tundra]

i think i will be 671 when reset

[coral ibex]

i might end up in the raid for all the kills tho bc when we kill oab this week they want me to have 3 mythic vault slots to get hoc

[nova aspen]

are u saying keys should drop mythic gear

[golden loom]

I am missing raid tomorrow, so obviously bandit dies tomorrow

[strange tundra]

a lot of ppl jyust play m+, raiding is kinda boring to me
cba finding a guild etc

[nova aspen]

raiding is harder cuz 20 ppl so it should offer something better

[strange tundra]

no that would make raiding pointless

[coral ibex]

i mean can't you see how there are people who invest more time than you and therefore they should get rewards you don't

[strange tundra]

time isnt a good example

but i get what u mean

[coral ibex]

that is literally all that mythic raiding is

outside high WR

its just time investment

[strange tundra]

define your time investment, to me i think u are just saying they play more hours

but thats probably not what u are saying

[coral ibex]

they're spending time mythic raiding and you're not

why would someone who doesn't mythic raid get mythic raid loot in the middle of a season

[fresh kelp]

bad example, because what if you are spending time pushing higher keys and they're not

[coral ibex]

are we even 50% thru the season rn

[coral ibex]

the reward you get is io and title?

[strange tundra]

people play the game for different reasons

[fresh kelp]

vs wr and a title?

but also gear

[strange tundra]

the io and title could be the same for me as it is for someone who gets 8/8 like really early in the season or some shit idk

[lean plover]

raiders get loot from a boss once a week

u can spam any key u want

targetting loot

xd

[strange tundra]

i never said they should change anything anyway, im fine how it is coz it makes sense
was just asking if there is a way to get tad bit more myth track as m+ player

[midnight osprey]

hey guys, kinda struggeling for some advice rn. Im thinking about swapping out the haste completly for versa or even more mastery and crit. especially in 14 keys i feel like i have to deal way more dmg - in raid im fine - any idea or thoughts?

[lean plover]

you get vaults

thats it

[coral ibex]

i dont know if m+ players need to be given more myth loot tho

[strange tundra]

idk that would make raiding pointless in a way

[coral ibex]

the real problem is the myth track

[granite leaf]

This

[coral ibex]

i think hero track should just go as high as myth and myth track exists as a crest save

[strange tundra]

what do u mean crest save

[nova aspen]

idk it seems balanced to me. nooj has prob spent 100s more hrs than u in the game for mythic raiding

and he is only 3 ilvls ahead

3 ilvls is nothing

[coral ibex]

hero track hoc drops -> 655, can go up to 678
myth track hoc drops -> 668, can go up to 678

is what im saying

[strange tundra]

idk how hours even matter

[golden loom]

sounds based

[strange tundra]

what about the person who spent 100s more hrs than him and hes 3 ilvls lower

time is a bad example

[earnest remnant]

nah force the m+ freaks into the raid

[golden loom]

so it also time gates for RWF from just spamming M+ for myth track

[coral ibex]

it isn't because time investment basically directly translates to ilvl

[subtle tundra]

thats what the game is! a time investment

[coral ibex]

varas speaks on this

[old thistle]

tbh if you are lets say 3500 you can do the mythic raid so

[subtle tundra]

WHEN VARAS SPEAKS. THE CHAT LISTENS.

[nova aspen]

its not a bad example its just unlucky but ur purposely not doing half the content

[earnest remnant]

no

[nova aspen]

yet u think u should equal a mythic raider's ilvl?

[strange tundra]

yes but its boring to me, and dont single me out a lot of people like me exist

[nova aspen]

in a month every1 will be the same anyway

[strange tundra]

i was refering to what malarki said, his example was worse than yours

[errant swallow]

Is vault of disappointment up yet?

[strange tundra]

no, scroll up and read
i asked if there is a way to get more myth track

not that i want it to exist in the game

[granite leaf]

I have always thought having the best gear should be a reward from doing the hardest content in the game

[alpine latch]

Hot take, but 2/3 of Mythic raiding is an ego stroke anyway. WoW was better back in the day when it was more about having fun with friends than caring about parses, how high you're pushing, etc.

[lean plover]

lol

[subtle tundra]

FLINT AND STEEL

[visual sun]

mythic kujo for you

[coral ibex]

they have classic for players like you

[subtle tundra]

yes i have bragged my WR and RIO irl

[earnest remnant]

thoughts on making HoF just the actual first 100 guilds to kill the endboss?

[lean plover]

classic raiding is about parsing tho

[strange tundra]

yea but its a weird subject, hardest content would be really high keys or mythic raid
and that would probably break the game if both gave the same rewards

[alpine latch]

Classic has devolved into the Modern approach too, sadly. It's all about parsing speed runs

[coral ibex]

yea if you join a guild that is focused on that

i never played with parse monkeys when i played classic

dads only

unless you are saying every dad has quit classic since ulduar when i quit classic

[subtle tundra]

stupid STUPID. i remember wiping a really good pull on jailer on the last day before HoF closes. i was made FUN of. We ended 104 wr or smth

STUPID

[earnest remnant]

i know

i was there

i saw it

[viscid spear]

I seriously hope I don't get this or I'll uninstall

[golden loom]

even our HC classic guild turned into parse monkeys cause theres only so much to do after u clear stuff

and I am a parse monkey myself

[subtle tundra]

never streamed prog again. too much pressure

[golden loom]

number go up my brain happy

[subtle tundra]

i had like 90 viewers

[nova aspen]

im sure there are 100s of guilds that do the content and dont care about competitiveness

[coral ibex]

im also a parse monkey thats why i had to play with exclusively dads

[earnest remnant]

im at the age, where i just dont care what people think xD

[subtle tundra]

i was SHAKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[alpine latch]

Possibly, I mostly play PoE now. I was considering coming back to WoW, but finding a guild I actually enjoy has been a bit rough

[coral ibex]

awkward silences in discord when i ask if we can change the strat to do more damage

type beat

"we're just here to kill the boss bro"

[strange tundra]

i like u

[granite leaf]

Yep. I do think m+ should reward you better than it currently does

[nova aspen]

hardest part about wow imo lol

[granite leaf]

But it has to be limited in some way

[strange tundra]

when i raided in legion i was ignoring many mechanics with cloak just to parse higher in details even not even logs
and guild was like wtf coz it was making it worse for the rest of the players

[strange tundra]

how much better?

in what way

[alpine latch]

100%, every guild I've found is either completely unhinged or the most PR-friendly "everyone has to be best friends" type shit. The ones who are more fun also tend to struggle in normal/early heroic, which I'm not looking for CE, but I want to be getting AotC in the first few weeks and doing Mythic prog. My old guild finally got CE when I took a break so I no longer make their requirements to raid. They won't let any non-CE playesr on their team right now

[coral ibex]

are there many guilds that intend to do "some mythic" but not actually try to get CE?

[keen spruce]

most of those guilds are in a really unhealthy place rosterwise

[coral ibex]

kinda sounds like a waste of time tbh unless you really really really like the people around you

[earnest remnant]

probably

[keen spruce]

they were either an AOTC guild that's trying to break into mythic

but half of the roster is really just AOTC gamers athat don't want to be there

[nova aspen]

im sure there are a few that like aotc + the first few puggable bosses

[keen spruce]

another 1/4 are going to leave to try to find a CE guild

[golden loom]

I mean last season was probably perfect for that

[coral ibex]

this was my first "mythic" guild and it drove me nuts

[golden loom]

just do 4/8m and chill

[coral ibex]

like if you dont want to be there just dont show up

[keen spruce]

I think you should always just aim higher than you think you should

it's the best way to find a good fit

[coral ibex]

yea last season i had a literally blank wcl/rio page so

i had to start at the bottom

[granite leaf]

I'd need to know what the likelihood of getting a raid piece is in a week's worth of clear (progressing from 1-x bosses), then either recreate that in m+ for a chance at dropping myth track (probably not a good idea since it's farmable. Maybe cap it weekly), or give a currency at x rate per week to get myth track (though then it's another activity that raiders have to do). Perhaps do the pvp thing, make the gear scale in dungeons /shrug

Just a few options off the top of my head

[keen spruce]

I got into my first mythic guild while they were on Jaina prog

I had just been pugging heroic and first 2 of mythic

they just had a rogue quit and I did some keys with a couple people with the guild

and took a chance

they took a chance*

[earnest remnant]

took me 3 weeks to get 1 item from raid on mythic this tier

[keen spruce]

so like idk just get good parses and aim high

[strange tundra]

yea but im pretty sure if u could get the same ilvl from m+ or raids then most people would just do m+ and not raid at all, that would break the game

[royal lantern]

you realise that my raidmembers are basically just friends at this point right lol

[coral ibex]

its more than a little frustrating how big the difficulty gap between aotc and ce is, its basically impossible to try to convert my aotc buddies into ce raiders

[granite leaf]

If people's only aim is to get ilevel

Then fine

[subtle tundra]

the goats dont need gear to perform

[earnest remnant]

tru and real

[keen spruce]

yeah i've never seen an AOTC guild successfully transition to mythic raiding without massive roster blow ups and reforming

[granite leaf]

I play the game to clear mythic and get higher than average in keys

[strange tundra]

i doubt there are many people who wouldnt like more ilvl

[bright turret]

M+ gears you better for clearing Mythic raid than clearing Mythic raid does.

[strange tundra]

not that its their only goal

[bright turret]

Its rewards are just fine

[royal lantern]

we did 6 re-clears, i have a grand total of 2 mythic raid items equipped: catalysed shoulders from the first boss and a rick dagger

every single other mythic item is from m+ vault

Mythic raiding is a unfair gear adventage btw

[granite leaf]

ilevel is such a small part of performance

[viscid spear]

How do they play with hooves?

[subtle tundra]

controller

[strange tundra]

i disagree

[coral ibex]

they play BM

[granite leaf]

Sure, based on what exactly?

[viscid spear]

[royal lantern]

our devoker plays with a controller btw

[rotund oak]

imagine high heels under those hooves

[viscid spear]

[granite leaf]

Anecdotally we've all seen the guy with big ilevel and they can't do shit because they're not good

(only 1 example)

[viscid spear]

6 more hours until I can open vault

[keen spruce]

yeah but you literally can't do as well with less ilvl

[granite leaf]

[keen spruce]

because math

[granite leaf]

What is the metric of "well" there?

[royal lantern]

i dont belive in math

[granite leaf]

Late in a season sure

You won't have as high a ceiling as someone with higher ilevel

[strange tundra]

more ilvl = more dmg
more ilvl = more heal
more ilvl = more survivability
etc etc
all that means u can do mythic raid more comfortably
or clear higher keys more comfortably
my definition of performance isnt only doing mechanics
how fast you will do the content etc plays a big part
i wouldnt say its a small part of performance

[granite leaf]

Is that needed to achieve your goals in most cases?

[keen spruce]

yes

[granite leaf]

It's an incremental gain in small steps

[royal lantern]

@keen spruce you are telling me that 2 and 2 togheter is 4, and not 2 2?

lol, sheeple

[keen spruce]

if another ilvl gives me like 10k more hp I'd be pretty happy with that

[granite leaf]

I'm not saying go into a raid with last seasons ilevel and clear it

[keen spruce]

especially in high m+

[earnest remnant]

also people play better when they arent in risk of dying 24/7 cuz of being low ilvl

[strange tundra]

it wouldnt be small steps according to your recommendation of getting the same ilvl as raids in m+

[granite leaf]

I didn't recommend that

[coral ibex]

being healthy has a 25% performance buff in raid

[granite leaf]

I said it was a thought that popped into my head

[coral ibex]

you play a lot worse when you think you could die

[granite leaf]

You can steel man that if you want

[keen spruce]

no i mean you said that ilvl is such a small part of performance

which like

is kind of vague, but at the core of it incorrect

[granite leaf]

The longer a season goes on ilevel value drops but I don't think it's observed as such since the skill level also decreases in people that are achieving their first kills

[coral ibex]

posted in my guild disc

[keen spruce]

sure you can still be bad with a lot of ilvl

[viscid spear]

Can I steal ball & run?

[granite leaf]

[keen spruce]

but if you're good, you'd be a lot better with more ilvl

[rotund oak]

its as sus as every wow gamer after 20 years of yapping

[granite leaf]

In keys I don't think ilevel gets worse*

[strange tundra]

the difference between m+ players and 8/8 mythic raiders or some shit is 5-6++ ilvls (not a big difference but big enough)
you said they need to add more myth track to mythic plus
so that would mean getting like what 2 more ilvls?
thats a lot of hp and dmg

[granite leaf]

It is absolutely vague, because the argument of more gear is vauge

[granite leaf]

I didn't say they need to

At least I don't think I did

[rotund oak]

stops being vague when we have sims

[granite leaf]

I said they could

[granite leaf]

1% from the robot, huge

[cloud basin]

need to shift some haste to crit, but i mean it shouldnt be that big of deal lol

[strange tundra]

idk bro i read your messages i say to you what u said and u reply to me that u didnt say that
either im high af or u are high

[rotund oak]

i mean im 1% away from having a rare gut condition that leads to diabetes,we need an actual model that proves it 😉

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

[keen spruce]

"ilvl is such a small part of performance" this is just the thing i'm disagreeing with idk what yall were talking about where myth track is getting distributed

there's a reason why RWF spends like a billion hours doing splits every tier to squeeze out like .5 ilvls more

[granite leaf]

You're right, I thought I said "They could" but I said "I think they should" I don't know what a fair way of doing it is

[royal lantern]

im in hater mode

they should remove mythic loot from m+ vault

m+ losers should do real hard content if they want gear

[keen spruce]

there's a reason why high m+ players are forced into CE raiding to get gear to push the highest keys

[cloud basin]

yeah i dont have pacemaker sadly lol, but i do have a hero track Eye though

[bright turret]

M+ is fine as it is. Means normal guilds don't have to do 30 heroic splits to get geared for Mythic raid

[candid seal]

Is there any value to have a 678 off hand dagger (wrong stats) vs a 665 with the best stats?

[bright turret]

it has a purpose and it is much better than raid for that purpose

[keen spruce]

there aren't wrong stats

[foggy mirage]

Sim it x)

[strange tundra]

sim it

[granite leaf]

If I was a RWF player then ilevel would be a much bigger part of performance gain, because you can't perform better than you are physically able to at that point

[wanton lava]

The higher damage dagger would help your mutilate damage right?

[candid seal]

I mean, vers+mas vs mas+crit ?

[strange tundra]

just sim it

lol

[candid seal]

WHO LIKES VERS JESUS

😢 I want easy answers from the good rogues

[granite leaf]

Robot knows best

[candid seal]

not the robot

[granite leaf]

Whysper says stats are bait

[strange tundra]

[granite leaf]

We like any stats

[red schooner]

the robot knows more than we do

[keen spruce]

the answer is it doesn't matter

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[keen spruce]

ilvl probably better

[keen spruce]

cuz main stat and stamina

[keen spruce]

(do weapons have stamina i can't remember)

[coral ibex]

yes

a lot

[wanton lava]

yea

[keen spruce]

then ilvl

for sure

just go recraft it

[foggy mirage]

Must be true then x)

[granite leaf]

Probably? I haven't looked at stam on gear since it was all normalised with ilevel

(A long time ago)

[strange tundra]

when i upgrade my gear i alwways go for the ones that give more hp

[granite leaf]

But they also give more primary and secondary

😄

[strange tundra]

2 upgrades is like what

80 stats

lol

but like 1500+ hp

stam*

[keen spruce]

this was the original question

so yes

more ilvl

much better

idc what the stats are

[granite leaf]

Worth simming but probably a yes

[candid seal]

I WANT TO SEE 678 BUT THE ROBOT WON'T LET ME MAKE IT 678 GRRRR

[balmy condor]

you'd have a crafted dagger regardless

[granite leaf]

Dagger stats are absolutely tiny

[balmy condor]

yeh

daggers are awful

offhand daggers are awful * 2

[uneven plume]

so are embeleshments

[red schooner]

just get the robot to give you valorstones

[uneven plume]

so i dont think it matters

[red schooner]

then you should be able to sort it

[keen spruce]

they just want an answer not a lecture

just take the ilvl

[tired wagon]

sorry if this gets asked a lot but how do you sim GV rings/necks with sockets + enchants

[candid seal]

Y'all talk like I know anything. Look at me. LOOK AT ME. I'M JUST A TINY ROUGE

[keen spruce]

[granite leaf]

I'm still using a vers dagger from sub

[balmy condor]

offhand daggers the worst item in the game

[red schooner]

Why won't the robot let you make it 678?

[balmy condor]

have your vault open, type /simc, open raidbots, hit the "all great vault items"

[balmy condor]

you don't have crests

[coral ibex]

you need to give yourself crests in the sim

[candid seal]

THE ROBOT IS SAYING I'M POOR

[coral ibex]

scroll up

[red schooner]

click max all

and you're sorted

[coral ibex]

dont click max all

[candid seal]

I can do that???

[strange tundra]

if the crafted dagger does less dmg in sim i will uninstall the game

[coral ibex]

you should give yourself the total you can have this week

[red schooner]

ye

[coral ibex]

so the sim knows how much it can actually spend

[granite leaf]

Yeah, Blizzard will think you're hacking getting 999 crests instantly

[coral ibex]

if you give the sim 999 gilded crests it will spend 999 gilded crests

[foggy mirage]

You might care about future potential..

[coral ibex]

and that isn't really useful

[junior smelt]

Guys, is it better to sim with Dungeon Slice or Patchwerk? I'm getting different "Better stats" when i Sim with Patchwerk (Actually suggesting me to take shit with lots of haste over crit or mastery).

[coral ibex]

you can select multiple upgrade options and the sim will optimize your crest usage

[candid seal]

Legit, I had no idea I could do that

NOW THE ROBOT IS SIMMING

[keen spruce]

why are you stimming stats

[coral ibex]

dont sim stats

[keen spruce]

why are you simming stats

[red schooner]

GOD SPEED, ROBOT.

[alpine latch]

I do - not all of us are that fortunate.. Trying to join a guild where everyone is friends can be pretty damn hard. All of my real friends quit and it's been extremely hard for me to find a group to play with

[balmy condor]

patchwerk is for single target/raid, dungeonslice is for m+, so yeah, you'll get different results

[strange tundra]

because patchwerk is ST (need haste for energy, or bleed dmg if bleed build), and dungeon slice is m+ (haste doesnt matter)

[foggy mirage]

Has anyone simmed the sim to make sure the sim is efficient tho

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

that's what I do technically

[coral ibex]

making friends is an effort, you need to try to be friends with your raid or it wont work out

[candid seal]

I gain 10k dps with the dagger

[junior smelt]

What do yall mean with "Don't sim stats"? I meant that it's suggesting me to take items with haste.

[alpine latch]

No shit, I do that lol

[red schooner]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[coral ibex]

oh ok, then why do you think haste is bad

if the robot says its good

[red schooner]

If the robot says take the haste item then idk, take the haste item

[keen spruce]

oh then refer to what whispyr said.

Dslice for m+
Patchwerk for ST

[foggy mirage]

Seems interesting, I'd be curious what you get up to in that sense

[red schooner]

we trust the robot in this chat

may the unbelievers be exiled

bless

[candid seal]

Is 10K DPS worth taking over some fat drip to finish my mythic tier set mog!?

[hidden bay]

where are the NA vaults

[balmy condor]

many hours of work tinkering with logic gates to try and find playable rotational improvements and min-maxes, usually coming up empty handed, finding a bug with a sim, letting a simc dev know, then drinking a white monster and crying about my existence

[hidden bay]

[coral ibex]

you wanna see some dogshit

[hidden bay]

give me everything

[coral ibex]

enjoy that

[hidden bay]

brooooooo

neck

would be BiS for me

[red schooner]

and then spending god knows how long making bis lists at wowheads behest

[coral ibex]

already have this

[hidden bay]

[gusty mirage]

Brother what the fuck

[granite leaf]

Cool jet pack for mog though

[hidden bay]

i did no single key yet

[coral ibex]

i took a socket

[red schooner]

who did you upset at blizzard?

[granite leaf]

I got the resonating heart from my first vault

[hidden bay]

should i blast before reset or believe in mythic vault

[coral ibex]

ive been paying for 1st vault heroic hoc

every week

dogshit

[granite leaf]

I got that on my paladin from the first kill of OAB, and my vaults have been turbo mid since. I've taken 2 SADs and then ilevel bumps on badly statted pieces

[spice spire]

Get the quick one hitter king

[foggy mirage]

Seems fun 😄 valid coping mechanism x)

[coral ibex]

my gear is super weird but it works

[candid seal]

Bruh

[granite leaf]

I haven't done any raiding on my rogue

(shoulders are myth, just not enough crests)

[candid seal]

Sad lyfe

[strange tundra]

isnt crafting x2 675 daggers the play?

[coral ibex]

thats a cool mog

[strange tundra]

or its whatever?

[coral ibex]

maybe at this point

but you'd never craft 2x daggers early

OH doesn't matter

[strange tundra]

yeah

[granite leaf]

Yeah, I didn't have the sparks because I was playing outlaw beforehand 😄

[coral ibex]

might be better to craft wrist tbh

[strange tundra]

thank god i didnt switch to OL

[coral ibex]

[strange tundra]

i farmed for a sword a bit

on +7s

[granite leaf]

I'll sim it on Wednesday

[west violet]

Looking for some help with Stats, at 17k for both Crit and Mastery, 10% and sims are pointing me towards more haste. Is there an ideal percent to shoot for?

[granite leaf]

I do have a spare spark now but not enough crests

[coral ibex]

no

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[west violet]

Thank you! Was looking to recraft some gear for more haste, will just need to mess around in raidbots for a few hours

[granite leaf]

My crafted neck is haste crit because robot said so

[torpid nova]

Do I trust the sim and upgrade hero helm to myth and burn crests, or take the Hero HoC?

[ionic pumice]

when the head enchant is coming?

[hardy dawn]

is it normal for the Haste Crit ring from ToP to sim better than a Mastery Crit ring?

[royal lantern]

sounds like a you problem

and dont go full redditor "evil mythic raiders have no fun at the game and only play for ranks and NOTHIGN ELSE!!!!" maybe, thats cringe af

[granite leaf]

Depends on a big long list of things

[balmy condor]

looks like you already have a hero track priory, no?

[torpid nova]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

no reason to take the hoc then

[strange tundra]

how to make it sim these too

[true nexus]

ayyy i got myth signet

[strange tundra]

i mean the chest

[granite leaf]

It does, right? Since you're wearing them

[hardy dawn]

fact is, my Signet is proccing Crit right now, and i'm looking to switch something for it to proc Mastery

[alpine latch]

That's not what I said at all, but okay..

[strange tundra]

yea but how do i sim changing the stats of the crafted items i already have

[torpid nova]

Does HoC out perform Signet in anyt situation? Some M logs have them at 50/50 usage

[granite leaf]

How do you have so much crit, or so little mastery?

[alpine latch]

I just said WoW was more fun when it was about the journey

[balmy condor]

no

not on assassination

[granite leaf]

Ah, I use "gear" sim for that

[hardy dawn]

i have 17k Crit and 14K Mastery

[torpid nova]

Thanks for the responses

[granite leaf]

Manually build the item sets

[shy creek]

Been playing bleed build lately, can somebody explain if im literally supposed to sit there above 150 energy after applying all bleeds single target, and do nothing

[granite leaf]

I have 20.8k mastery

[balmy condor]

if nothing else is happening yes

[strange tundra]

i didnt know of this ty

[balmy condor]

it's a min max most people probably should ignore

[strange tundra]

there is no easier wayy?

[granite leaf]

You're welcome. It's a damn good tool for getting exactly what you're looking for, but does require a lot of manual input

[shy creek]

Do we care about dry shiv or dn priority at all

[balmy condor]

this is just a waste of time btw you can add all the items to top gear and do it that way

[granite leaf]

I'm not sure. I'm no expert

[balmy condor]

nop

[shy creek]

So I can literally alt tab and i'm playing optimally

[balmy condor]

sure I guess

[shy creek]

Man this build is cool in aoe, but in ST its sorta cringe

[strange tundra]

whispyr is there an easier way to sim changing stats on my already crafted items as well as new crafted items than clicking the More>Gear icon?

[balmy condor]

it's technically more apm than a standard hybrid build

[granite leaf]

Oh derp, yeah I completely never noticed the item search under top gear

[balmy condor]

top gear

you just hit the + on shit to change stats

and then add the gear

[strange tundra]

ty bro

[granite leaf]

It's the same thing as the "gear" sim but requires less fucking around

[strange tundra]

he saved our life lol

u almost ruined mine

[granite leaf]

Oh yeah, recrafting

[balmy condor]

yeh idk why gear compare still exists

they just rolled it into top gear now

[granite leaf]

I also forgot about this

My brain is barely functioning today

[strange tundra]

i cant use the professions epic crafted and also the gear i have on

in the sim?

[granite leaf]

Is the best fish

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

sure you can

top gear takes restrictions into account

so as long as you have valid off pieces

it'll do whatever combinations are legal

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chess-win-gif-17584376170894933930

[strange tundra]

ok

[balmy condor]

me using d4 datamined load screens to become an opp

[spice spire]

You’re so real for that king

[gusty mirage]

Become an opp as if you haven’t always been one

[spice spire]

I yoinked it dw

[granite leaf]

What is an opp?

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't know, everyone loves you

[strange tundra]

on fonem fr

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-enemies-dog-butterfly-gif-7312308025622510390

[granite leaf]

Is it just an abbreviation of opponent?

[strange tundra]

stay pure

[granite leaf]

I thought it was going to be something like a narc

[coral ibex]

narcs and opps have a lot of crossover

[granite leaf]

[spice spire]

Yes

[earnest remnant]

well a narc is an opp to some people

[hardy dawn]

oh i think it was my Cyrce circle doing shit with my stats

[earnest remnant]

so not entirely wrong

[coral ibex]

i'd consider narcs to be my opps

keep it tight

[granite leaf]

I'm 35, I don't know young people lingo

[earnest remnant]

boomer type shi

ong

[coral ibex]

type shit

[granite leaf]

I do know what ong means

[strange tundra]

ts pmo 💔 🥀

[granite leaf]

Though when I first saw it, I legit thought it was a typo of omg

[shy creek]

my students recently introduced me to "sybau"

[balmy condor]

nihao fine shyt

[spice spire]

On god

[shy creek]

shut your bitch ass up

[earnest remnant]

[granite leaf]

https://youtu.be/yhmcJ9Tb8IQ

[spice spire]

Is stealthi part of the huzz?

[earnest remnant]

did i just get racially profiled?

[scenic kiln]

tralalero tralala

[strange tundra]

what the stealthi

[balmy condor]

stealthi fr for the streets

[coral ibex]

🤙🏻 🤙🏻 type shiiiiiii

[earnest remnant]

for sure

[balmy condor]

this mfer ran through no cap

[coral ibex]

bombardillo crocadillo

[strange tundra]

ikiab u pmo sybau 💔🥀

[granite leaf]

Ok I'm calling 999 I think I've had a stroke

[balmy condor]

real shit

[coral ibex]

999?

engerlander detected

[storm forum]

Oops

[earnest remnant]

only wish it was by a sword and not the huzz's

[balmy condor]

I seent that

[spice spire]

That’s primordial American to you

[storm forum]

Sry

[scenic kiln]

i have to ask my zoomer friend every time new slang or memes or brainrot comes up

[granite leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/laughs-in-british-britain-british-empire-british-soldier-gif-17228488

[strange tundra]

or just brainrot ig reels

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/norf-fc-engerland-liverpool-chippies-based-gif-20272931

[granite leaf]

Brainrot skyrim is goated with extra sauce

[coral ibex]

SCOR SAM FACKIN GOALS ENGERLAND

CAM ON

[granite leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVn4sBxLokA

[scenic kiln]

my reels and tiktoks are far too developed to destroy with brainrot

[strange tundra]

sadge

[coral ibex]

my reels are 50% legit schizos 45% brainrot 5% strange chinese memes

[granite leaf]

The only social media, or adjacent things I use are youtube and discord

Fuck the rest

[coral ibex]

do you guys get tunnelgirl in your algo

[coral ibex]

there's this woman digging a whole ass tunnel under her home

[strange tundra]

lol ive seen that

she is an engineer or some shi

[coral ibex]

yea

[strange tundra]

[granite leaf]

Sounds like Colin Furze

[coral ibex]

she's planning to build a castle

[granite leaf]

Furze has been doing that for a decade

[coral ibex]

its incredible content

[granite leaf]

(probably not that long)

[shy creek]

this reminded me of the jews in brooklyn that were building a tunnel

[strange tundra]

that motorized thingy she has to move stone up is good

[shy creek]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/10/nyregion/brooklyn-synagogue-secret-tunnel.html\

[coral ibex]

her posts are going to suddenly end and its going to be because her tunnel collapsed on her

[strange tundra]

[strange tundra]

real

[hearty reef]

yeah chat

it's peak

[earnest remnant]

rate this take
Australians are just more funny british people

[hearty reef]

😭

[strange tundra]

i think my max is 36

[granite leaf]

What's the biggest hit you can get with SD?

[strange tundra]

someone did 38 or more here

idk what is the cap

[granite leaf]

I'm not good at rogue yet, my highest is like 26m

[strange tundra]

that is good

[spice spire]

I did a 39 on xav with PI

[strange tundra]

anything above 24 is good i think

[spice spire]

And the buff from the duel

[earnest remnant]

i did 40 on your pops

[coral ibex]

do i need to refresh my bleeds earlier

or shiv later

i can never get good sd overall

[spice spire]

Bro that’s crazy because I did 73 newtons of force on ur pops spine

[hearty reef]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-anna-gunn-skyler-white-yo-crying-gif-14653036763871554707

[granite leaf]

What's a decent overall to aim for around +15?

[hearty reef]

[earnest remnant]

DAMN BOI HE THICC

[royal lantern]

key timed overall

[granite leaf]

I have no frame of reference, I play ret so my brain smol

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant I miss u(s)

[coral ibex]

73? is this an osrs reference

[strange tundra]

just refresh bleeds to max really fast with deathmark and as many buffs as u can get

[humble verge]

im in my monk era

[strange tundra]

and aim to do it before he has 40m hp

couple seconds before i think

[coral ibex]

i just mean generally

[earnest remnant]

same, i miss fucking up my sleep to watch you raid, and watching coicaine bear

[gusty mirage]

WW was fun AF in SL

[coral ibex]

sd is always so low on my breakdown

i think im just misplaying

[humble verge]

idk, i wanna try healing - but i have to play ww for this 10

[gusty mirage]

Unfortunately I ain’t gonna be raiding for a while

[humble verge]

im gonna join

[strange tundra]

idk i dont try to get high SD on purpose, if i get the opportunity and its worth i do it

thats pretty much it

[golden loom]

73 ags smorc

[strange tundra]

yes key timed

[balmy condor]

I think that's fair

[strange tundra]

@granite leaf

[balmy condor]

I think australians are funnier than british people, but british people are funnier because they end up in more stupid clips

that's my counter-take

[earnest remnant]

nah thats valid

aussie are more joke funny
brits are more "haha you stupid" funny

[balmy condor]

exactly

[spice spire]

Yeah but I’m not British

[granite leaf]

Well duh

[balmy condor]

no you're just a Bitsh

cause you ri, nvm

[spice spire]

Brother I’ll snap your twink ass in half if you ever sass me like that again

[vast shuttle]

huh

[strange tundra]

nothing

[royal lantern]

brits take themself seriously

[granite leaf]

Do we?

[humble verge]

@balmy condor idk what the time is where you live but

[balmy condor]

ohayo!!!

10am

working

[humble verge]

working hard

or hardly working?

[balmy condor]

workin hard

d4 launch day

[granite leaf]

You don't conquer 1/4 of the planet without being serious

[humble verge]

what

d4 launch

[balmy condor]

ya

new season

[humble verge]

is it out of early access?

lets go

ohok

[balmy condor]

what

[humble verge]

kekw

wait

on friday its new d3 season

lets go

[balmy condor]

true

[humble verge]

gonna try get top 100 this time

last time i tried i got like

top 600 in 4s

[subtle tundra]

top 600 out of 650 isnt that good...

[humble verge]

real

nah theres actually a bunch of people who play d3 still

icl

[subtle tundra]

700?

[turbid wraith]

Outlaw addict wondering iff the aoe that ass does is worth how bad the boss dam is

[humble verge]

nah the leaderboards are usually filled

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor automated bigwigs/dbm messages from germans will never not be stupid funny

[granite leaf]

Unterbrochen

[humble verge]

KRANKENWAGEN

[solid hemlock]

Sturmangriff

[humble verge]

jesus

first time i see PI disguised as hitler

[royal lantern]

maybe dont do that emote

[humble verge]

fits tho

[royal lantern]

[turbid wraith]

my bad for saying the world outlaw dam man

[humble verge]

its funny how

its from a fucking boosting server

i thought they were woke

[royal lantern]

and i swear

2,3k r.io tanks

do the most MDI pulls ever

ofc they are clueless and die halfway trought the pull

but damm, they go BIG all the time

[granite leaf]

[balmy condor]

@solid hemlock

no

[solid hemlock]

no bueno?

[granite leaf]

That's the thing I feel like I'm missing out on by not pugging, the insane shit randos do

[solid hemlock]

ok

[royal lantern]

bro that HAS to be a meme

nobody talks like that

[granite leaf]

Is that like group buff missing battle shout?

[solid hemlock]

yes

[granite leaf]

I can mostly speak German

My written german is ass

[royal lantern]

yes

[rotund oak]

''Ascending runed'' is 665 ilvl pieces everywhere aight?

[proud pelican]

In high keys like title range are people playing more vers gear for survivability or is it still just a highest sim on dslice angle?

[rotund oak]

cant remember from my mage

[proud pelican]

Just curious

[granite leaf]

You'd need to ask title players tbh

I can guess but I could also be very wrong

[orchid haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

Quakewar moment

[dapper cradle]

open zac's stream, there's an ad
open ross's stream, no ad

MISSTELL

FUCK

[rotund oak]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[strange tundra]

how do u avoid damage on dfc first boss charge

[somber sparrow]

move when he starts charging?

[strange tundra]

no i mean face tank it

[coral ibex]

you have to get off the boss

[strange tundra]

like cloak it

vanish it

or some shit idk

zac did it on his stream with outlaw

[rotund oak]

why dont u ask him

[granite leaf]

You mean when it hits the pillar and it aoes everyone?

[fresh kelp]

evasion dodges it

[strange tundra]

he is playing he cant write lmfao

[rotund oak]

thats good piece of information,was unaware

[coral ibex]

same

wtf

[viscid spear]

Gesundheit

[strange tundra]

ty

he also dodge the giga wallop

stand in it

but idk how

[fresh kelp]

slow immunity immunes that one (vanish)

[rotund oak]

vanish removes slow upon vanish i think

its not immunity

[strange tundra]

it breaks slow

thats what it says

[rotund oak]

it removes slows

[fresh kelp]

im pretty sure vanish breaks it somehow

[coral ibex]

"also breaks movement impairing effects" i think this applies to the 3s vanish duration

[strange tundra]

yea i think he vanished it

what is the timing on that?

[fresh kelp]

because I know evasion does not work lmao

[unborn wharf]

https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/CrackyFairCourgetteNotATK-IwzJGxAroqW2e0wZ

[granite leaf]

Oh does Vanish work like freedom?

[coral ibex]

yea

[granite leaf]

When I immuned whallop for the first time I thought it was a bug

[coral ibex]

similarly

[strange tundra]

is there like a way to find more tricks like that or its just try and fail or try and win and common sense etc

[steel sable]

Signet is beating out my House of Cards in dungeon slice (bleed spec)by like 5.4k

[coral ibex]

you could also pre-vanish web jails on ansurek last tier

you didnt have to wait and then vanisha fter

[granite leaf]

Yeah I was pre-freedoming one of our priests for that

[normal mist]

Guys imma change my name

[spice spire]

To what

[tall atlas]

stack vers time boiz

[normal mist]

😉

[rotund oak]

congratulations

wishes for the best

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nenuco-gif-26073795

[rotund oak]

new born R1 rogue loading

[spice spire]

Congrats king

[normal mist]

So far no dick there

I might win

(I really wished for a healthy daughter :3)

[keen spruce]

Congrats royal

[balmy condor]

grats royal

guess I won't be the only one calling you daddy now

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

You gave Andy a good laugh xD

[spice spire]

Damn king you cheating on me or

(Please never call me that)

[balmy condor]

folded under absolutely 0 pressure

insane work king

bro had instant regrets and had to immediately correct himself

[unborn peak]

Feeling overwhelmed with bleed build in large pulls, is my only goal to maintain as many as possible or should I be sneaking in envenoms for DS mark?

[balmy condor]

you apply all your bleeds, get CT up, shiv, and then spam envenoms

it's the same as any other build

[cinder geode]

What is a recommended amount of vers I want for keys 15 and up?

[undone flame]

how good is eye of kazan even in m+? i dont mean just as an rogue but overall

[balmy condor]

that's not a thing

[balmy condor]

if you chain pull out of your mind, it's good/above average. If you're dropping combat frequently it's ass

main draw of it would be for long boss fights and stuff, but if you're dropping the stacks before a boss it becomes essentially a paperweight

[keen spruce]

Father?

[undone flame]

hmm gat it woude not use it myself then since i have myth pacmaker

[spice spire]

That’s fine

[spice spire]

Negative Rizz damn

[unborn peak]

What about when everything starts falling off? Vanish reapply?

[keen spruce]

Yas father slayyyy

I didn’t like that at all

[balmy condor]

typically just maintain ruptures/cts until the end of the pack, hold vanish for a chain

you can't be burning your vanish every time your bleeds start falling off, it's not sustainable

so just make sure you have enough up to keep your energy going

[viral linden]

Wise you are @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

idk if I'd call myself wise

it's more of an auto-pilot at this point answering the same dozen or so questions for half a decade

[viral linden]

Fair 😂

[balmy condor]

oddly enough while the answers change a bit over the years, the questions are all the same

[balmy condor]

"I'm running out of energy"
"why does the sim suggest X, I thought X was bad"
"when do I press X cd"
"what do I do when tanks won't let me stealth"

the eternal questions of assassination since.... well I guess since legion

[keen spruce]

Should I switch out some of x stat for y?

[balmy condor]

what is that

8 years?

fuck I'm old

[keen spruce]

Do I have too much haste?

[viral linden]

Doesn't everyone just smash their heads on their keyboards and hope for the best? That's what the guide on WH says when I pull it up.

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much

[rotund oak]

you are not

[balmy condor]

remember me when I'm gone sap

I am not long for this world

[keen spruce]

How much damage should I be doing in keys, 3k crit 1.5k haste, 4k mastery, 1k vers (320 ilvl in greens)

[viral linden]

Dead 💀💀

[rotund oak]

always in my heart until the sun stops fusing Hydrogen into hellium

[fringe spear]

Time for a massive assassination rework

[balmy condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[fringe spear]

Get you a changeup

[golden loom]

Depends on key level and build, I think forced induction + dashing might help you eek out like 17% damage in ST compared to bleed

[fringe spear]

Then people can ask some other questions

[spice spire]

Wasn’t legion 2016 king?

[fringe spear]

yea fall 2016

[balmy condor]

so 8 years?

[spice spire]

So closer to 9 years

Damn

[balmy condor]

tf you pinging me for

[spice spire]

It’s 2025 king

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's the start of 2025

legion was end of 2016

math hard or what

[golden loom]

Its almost may

[spice spire]

Dog it’s almost may

[golden loom]

We aint in the start no more

[normal mist]

Almost

[rotund oak]

its past 1st quarter of 2025,we are on the 2nd now

[golden loom]

WHERE DID THIS YEAR GOOOOO

[rotund oak]

its April

[spice spire]

And it was august 30

[balmy condor]

didn't realize I had the fucking quartile police in this channel god damn

my bad

bunch of finance bros erm actually it's q2

[spice spire]

Yeah buddy get woke

[coral ibex]

WOOP WOOP QUARTILE POLICE

[keen spruce]

[golden loom]

We in Q2 lil bro get with the program

[balmy condor]

my shareholder value YoY in q1 isn't indicative because legion was q3 and tww was q1 so actually erm 8 years but close to 9 years gotta do the math here we're 172 days from investor presentation

what are we doing

[keen spruce]

Akshually start of fiscal Q3

[coral ibex]

im in lfr queue for my gallagio rep

wbu

[golden loom]

I studied finance and work in accounting and I have no idea what the current fiscal quarter is

[balmy condor]

so brainrotted that we're talking about years like a boss fight

april is p2

we had an intermission in march

[vast shuttle]

how can i practice do get more dmg in single target?

[vague scroll]

Hey guys! new to rogue this season and sin as a spec. I know I'm doing "something" off with DPS. How would I go about finding out what it is if I am looking at my logs? any tips?

[coral ibex]

dude that p2 intermission is tough

[chrome mirage]

Fatebound/MA build for sprocket, are we vanishing the last 6sec of DM KB?

[balmy condor]

when the rain stops that's the transition

[spice spire]

I mean it was just 8y8m ago which rounds up to 9

Idk bbgirl

[keen spruce]

It just scoots back because they want the books done before the new year

[strange tundra]

legion best expansion

[keen spruce]

So normal q2 is fiscal q3

[coral ibex]

no you vanish for coldblood in a specific way

[keen spruce]

Ish

[golden loom]

Ah true

[chrome mirage]

In what way

[golden loom]

Vanish for 2nd coldblooded envenom during deathmark

[coral ibex]

read the guide

[balmy condor]

bleed uptime close to 100%? envenom->deathmark->shiv->kingsbane->shiv when the first shiv drops? not overcapping energy? not overcapping combo points? using finishers on 5cp or more?

you're 90% of the way there

[golden loom]

Also if you wanna enjoy sprocket, dont play fatebound

[balmy condor]

I'm in the midst of rewriting the APL from scratch, and I shit you not, I had:

• ambush from stealth
• maintain gar+rup
• deathmark if envenom is up, macro fucking everything to it
• kingsbane if envenom is up
• shiv+thistle tea if shiv not up and kingsbane is either about to be cast or already ticking
• mutilate to generate
• envenom to spend
  and it was like 3% off of the current APL

[strange tundra]

its fine to use 6cp rupture instead of 7 in big packs, or in general?

[balmy condor]

legit 97% of your dps is just maintain bleed, slam cd, mut->env

piss easy

[coral ibex]

shid i mean that's the spec

[balmy condor]

6 is more than 5, so that's fine yes

[lucid silo]

i wish sim supported sudden demise execute

[strange tundra]

how much dmg u lose from doing 6cp instead of 7

[rotund oak]

Ok here is an interesting but irrelevant fact about quartiles and our Planet.
They were invented to describe the earths spin and inclination based on the orbit.3rd quartile is rly important coz in that period(approx 4rth of July) the earth is at its biggest distance from the Sun and almost vertical to the Suns light(Mid summer) in North hemisphere called aphellion(αφηλιον greek for ''further from the sun'')

[strange tundra]

idk

[balmy condor]

yeh sadly it's uh... impossible to model

[balmy condor]

0?

[golden loom]

U dont lose damage from a 6

[balmy condor]

we use finishers at 5cp buddypal

[lucid silo]

impossible or just not in the constraints that we have?

[nova aspen]

don't pal me buddy

[golden loom]

Cp is only duration not damage

[coral ibex]

rupture damage scales linearly with cp spent iirc

[west crown]

only increases bleed timer atp

[strange tundra]

didnt know lol

in my mind i translated this to more dmg

[lucid silo]

more bigger sudden demise

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess anything is possible but it would require an overhaul to how enemy units are fundamentally calculated/modeled

[balmy condor]

like unless you're simming dungeonroute, enemies in simc are actually timed enemies, they don't have health

well they do, in a roundabout way

but they're just on a timer

[lucid silo]

time is health

[strange tundra]

idk i just do max cp for the duration so i dont have to vanish sooner thats what ive been doing

[balmy condor]

and then in dungeonslice the waves are all timed

so like sudden demise wouldn't actually increase your dps

cause it wouldn't spawn the next wave sooner

it would just snipe off some flat value

and you'd sit there afk for longer

[rotund oak]

time is a scientific model invented by humans to measure distance

[dreamy rover]

Do you know difference from dry shiving to just sending both shivs during KB always?

[runic hinge]

some big brain out there said that their new talents specifically are undersimming

[keen spruce]

Simply implement health bars for simulated target counts that live track simulated dps and interpolate party dps to estimate time of demise procs and live update the wave speed in dungeon slice based on simulated and estimated party dps. Ez pz

Just go do that

[nova aspen]

im sry sir i've only been working here a short distance

[lucid silo]

just rewrite sims from scratch so we can simulate this really specific situation thx xD

[balmy condor]

so like is it technically possible to model I guess, but it would require an actual insane amount of work and then the question is like what are we modeling it against and is that a valid fight style indicative of the game and blah blah

it's just really fucking hard is the tldr

[keen spruce]

Just clone live servers and run bots instead of simulation

[golden loom]

Would be cool if you could sim a 5 man group in a dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

you can

[lucid silo]

i just want to see the value of haste in sims for sudden demising

[balmy condor]

you're just describing augmentation sims

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

that's literally just aug

[nova aspen]

u can sim routes

[dreamy rover]

Whispor

Do you know difference from dry shiving to just sending both shivs during KB always?

Like how much of a gain is that optimization

[runic hinge]

its .5%

[balmy condor]

yeh

[dreamy rover]

I made a aura to remind me not to lose .5%

[balmy condor]

cool

[dreamy rover]

[balmy condor]

happy for you

[dreamy rover]

Worth man

Im happy whispor

Assassin rocks on bandit

[balmy condor]

anyway, this is technically where dungeonroute is going long-term

dungeonroute mobs are on a health basis, so technically the building blocks are there to support something like that more robustly

[keen spruce]

“I’m focusing on dry shiving perfectly but can’t figure out why my parses are low”
(Doesn’t hit the boss for 25 seconds during lust, 4 minute boss took 7:30 to die, entire raid grey parsing, missing 3 raid buffs, missing 20 lvls)

[balmy condor]

spec APL's aren't equipped for that, and the fightstyle technically can't support that either atm

but idk maybe in a couple years that's the future

[keen spruce]

Just equip them

[golden loom]

On bandit im curious about the timing tho if you are better off getting 2 shivs on kingsbane cause you will hit both shivs on the add also

[balmy condor]

dungeonroute is still fairly new in the grand scheme

[balmy condor]

yeh

less direct boss dam but practically speaking it's better

[golden loom]

That add set is also usually kinda hard with people not having cds

[balmy condor]

I do a cd hold as well

for add dam