assassination

[balmy condor]

was no good

[jaunty matrix]

what was it

[sharp viper]

german detected

[balmy condor]

[serene mason]

It was not that stop trolling them

[subtle tundra]

vomitttttttttttttt

[serene mason]

[subtle tundra]

yermansssssssssss

i vomittttttt

[serene mason]

Are you okay mate?

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm looking at it in the mod channel

[sharp viper]

half this channel is german, wdym

[balmy condor]

definitely was the emote lmao

[serene mason]

Whispyr... Time for your coming out. Es ist Zeit in deutsch zu schreiben.

[balmy condor]

nop

heut nicht

[serene mason]

[velvet cairn]

Greetings, is there any situation where i should not be rupture sniping? I read pin which says w/e combo point, but eg darkest night up better to finish or rupture snipe into finish afterwards? or is it just rupture snipe always?

[balmy condor]

you snipe for the energy

so if you don't need energy, you don't snipe

otherwise you snipe

[subtle tundra]

just gonna let you know ive always been sniping cause it feels good

[serene mason]

I mean that was part of my question also. You will have 3 adds at P1. Last day I ruptured all 3 back to back. I asked myself if this isn't too much

[balmy condor]

well it's always been good apparently cause it's using hardcoded values from 2013

[subtle tundra]

ahead of the curve

[velvet cairn]

Is the refund in energy dependent on time left on rupture or combo spent. eg if i put up a fat rupture and it ticks 1/2 duration do i get it as i sniped a new rupture or remaning duration?

[balmy condor]

time left on rupture and combo points spent is the same thing, no?

[subtle tundra]

thats not sniping. thats just rupturing

[serene mason]

[velvet cairn]

But for instance if i do a snipe as 5cp and a 5cp rupture that ticks half of the duration is it the same thing in terms of energy back?

[balmy condor]

it says "remaining duration"

so whatever duration is remaining counts

idk

I don't get the question

[subtle tundra]

hey man

understanding hard

[velvet cairn]

i see i see, would it be worth to refresh it (snipe it up) for more energy or if i have a target ruptured already im happy

[serene mason]

So who can explain me what snipping means.

[balmy condor]

wowhead guide

[serene mason]

I thought it's applying rupture before add dies to get the energy out of it

[balmy condor]

great at explaining things

it is

[subtle tundra]

snipping is like when you have a foreskin and then they cut it, so they snipped your foreskin

you become circumciced

[velvet cairn]

yurr, thanks i’ll check it out. just spontanuasly thought of it

[subtle tundra]

i cant spell

[jaunty matrix]

you become abused you mean

[subtle tundra]

im a foreskin lover

[blissful storm]

how much of our dmg as assa is magic and how much is phys?

[rustic zealot]

This discussion has taken a strange turn

[balmy condor]

depends on what you're doing and with what build

[blissful storm]

basic KB M+ build

[balmy condor]

like maybe 70/30 magic/phys

eh, make it like 66/33 to be safe

[jaunty matrix]

why are there so many different dmg types in this game

it is just flair text for fantasy ?

[balmy condor]

flavor mostly

[jaunty matrix]

or is there an actual difference between shadow/fire/shadowflame/darkness dmg

[blissful storm]

ok thnaks a lot

[midnight mist]

more chance one of them is bugged

[balmy condor]

I mean they get buffed by different things

[midnight mist]

wow lore

[balmy condor]

plague damage for example is a mix of nature/shadow

[subtle tundra]

BUFFS SHADOW DAMAGE BY 10%

[balmy condor]

which means it works with both assa and sub amps to those types

[subtle tundra]

BUFFS NATURE DAMAGE BY 20%

[balmy condor]

cosmic damage includes nature and phys, which makes fatebound work for assa/outlaw

[jaunty matrix]

oh

[subtle tundra]

BUT PLAGUE IS BOTH SHADOW AND NATURE(I THINK?!?!)

[golden loom]

why is nature damage magic damage when it comes to chaos brand

[jaunty matrix]

i thought cosmic and shadowflame were pure dmg

as if they dont get reduced by anything

[balmy condor]

because everything not physical is magical

[jaunty matrix]

because bosses did that type of dmg

and shadowflame was on the legendary too in df

[balmy condor]

no

those are magic

[golden loom]

or well I guess nature is a school of magic

so I am noob!

[balmy condor]

sonic damage is the true damage

technically

sonic doesn't count for phys or magic

[subtle tundra]

huhmmhmhhhhhhhuh

[serene mason]

@balmy condor got it... But for my question it doesn't matter because you have nothing else to do while running to the adds waiting to boss to follow.

[jaunty matrix]

so its not reduced by any dr ?

and do player classes have sonic dmg ?

never heard of that type before

[balmy condor]

well it's reduced by general dr's obviously "you take 20% less damage"

but "you take less magic damage" wouldn't work

[serene mason]

It should be just the case for the add set before intermission

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

first boss nathria

[jaunty matrix]

started on df

s2

[subtle tundra]

rik looks like a sonic type damage boss

[golden loom]

does rik have sonic damage also?

[balmy condor]

I believe so

the circles are sonic

[subtle tundra]

you would

[shrewd night]

Ok

So, if the rings are sonic

Why arent they gold

[jaunty matrix]

what you mean gold

[serene mason]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-movie-coins-hedgehog-ring-gif-16372435

[balmy condor]

well, technically sonic damage is physical which isn't reduced by armor

which essentially makes it a non-phys non-magic

[jaunty matrix]

how does blizz come up with this stuff

[balmy condor]

but you could consider it a phys spell if that makes it more obvious

[jaunty matrix]

feels like they complicate things for the sake of complicating things

[balmy condor]

I mean it's flavor

does it matter

[jaunty matrix]

[rustic zealot]

Guys what are u planning to do with first Dinar? I've not killed Gally and got a myth signet

[jaunty matrix]

how is it flavor if it acts differently

flavor would be its either magic or phys

[balmy condor]

cause it doesn't impact what you do

[serene mason]

Endboss Ring

[midnight mist]

it does create a bunch of bugs tho

[balmy condor]

are you gonna play differently on rik because you found out what sonic damage is

[midnight mist]

Like shadow damage amps not amping all the things it should for sub

[jaunty matrix]

no

[balmy condor]

I mean those bugs would exist regardless

[midnight mist]

Or when outlaw has non physical damage and it get cleaved as physical so you lose value

Same for the sub stuffs

[midnight mist]

Idk it makes it harder

[shrewd night]

Beta tier set being plague damage instead of poison

[balmy condor]

it's low impact flavor text in a medieval fantasy game idk

there's probably a billion things that are more worth getting mad over

[midnight mist]

for sure

[shrewd night]

You know what Im mad about

Crimson vial being PHYSICAL healing

[midnight mist]

i love getting mad over nothing tho

[balmy condor]

maybe I'm reaching unc status

[midnight mist]

Did you guys know crimson vial is a hasted GCD

I learned that recently

Thought it was cool rogue lore

[jaunty matrix]

wait

[balmy condor]

I'm starting to get to the point where I don't have the energy to get angry at irrelevant things anymore

[jaunty matrix]

healing also has phys and magic types ?

what

[pliant remnant]

Bro is in Liberation of Undermine and calling it medieval smh my head

[shrewd night]

yep

[midnight mist]

sin doesnt have the energy for much tbf

[balmy condor]

of course

[jaunty matrix]

why is that

[balmy condor]

nature healing and shit

[midnight mist]

cant start wasting it

[balmy condor]

wdym why is that

[jaunty matrix]

isn't healing just healing

[balmy condor]

it's flavor like anything else

[jaunty matrix]

oh ok

flavor

[subtle tundra]

shadow healing

[balmy condor]

priests do holy healing, shaman and druid do nature healing

[golden loom]

honestly only thing that I have any kind of problem with is that these things arent really explained anywhere in the game, like spatter says that it cleaves you POISON damage, but then there is nothing telling you that Plague damage is a mix of posion damage, (also doesnt the cosmic damage from coins spatter?)

you only know these things from 3rd party sources

[balmy condor]

it's just flavor and your bar looks a different color when you look at details and it's neat idk

[balmy condor]

okay but does it matter

why do you want every tiny little magic damage type interaction explained in the game

[golden loom]

I mean it just creates unnessecary barriers of entry for new players

[balmy condor]

like what's the point

what barrier

the barrier of random knowledge you can't do anything with?

[midnight mist]

barrier is holy type

Or I think it is

[shrewd night]

Bro wants to go back to wotlk tooltips

[jaunty matrix]

what were those

[balmy condor]

this isn't league of legends, there's no knowledge barrier to entry to play like hwei or not knowing animation cancels on riven or whatever the fuck

[shrewd night]

Novels

For no reason

[balmy condor]

caustic spreads your damage, you want it up on the target you're hitting to spread damage

how does it impact you as the player to know that fatebound coins spatter

what if wow added advanced tooltips that told you every spell a talent affected

would that be good?

[shrewd night]

Animation cancel this

[balmy condor]

like where is the line here

[shrewd night]

[golden loom]

I mean it doesnt really gameplay wise, but if I did not know any better I would think that spatter only cleaved damage from weapon poisons

just from reading it

[balmy condor]

you hover caustic, you hit shift, the tooltip expands, giant fucking list of every ability on your class

great

[golden loom]

honestly yeah

[balmy condor]

I mean but why

[fleet geyser]

Is it worth swapping ur Vicious Venoms towards IMP Garr and Master Assassin, and ur Tiny Toxic Blade for Arterial Precision, in pure ST like Sprocketmonger?

Based on sims it should be a 20K+ dps improvement, or is it like a bait, and hard to play around?

[balmy condor]

like what's wrong with this

[subtle tundra]

w w w what

[balmy condor]

you can do that if you want

[golden loom]

idk I like knowing all the interactions of the spells and talents I choose

[balmy condor]

things like wowhead and 3rd party places like discord exist for that

you can search for knowledge

[midnight mist]

tbf its fake anyway right whisp, its not actually cleaving all poison daamage, its cleaving whats in the whitelist, if they forgot some stuffs even if its poison damage it wont cleave

[balmy condor]

yeh technically true

like singular focus doesn't caustic for obvious reasons

even though it's plague damage

[golden loom]

huh

[balmy condor]

while hunt them down is plague damage and does caustic

[golden loom]

it doesnt??

[balmy condor]

of course not lmao

[golden loom]

bruh

I thought that was a thing

[midnight mist]

infinte loop

bro want the juice

[balmy condor]

dog okay you can't blame the game for that

that's just you not turning your brain on

[golden loom]

idk both that and hunt them down deals plague damage to the target

one spatters, one doesnt?

idk does not make any sort of sense at all from reading it to me

[lapis depot]

is there a macro that lets me use ambush once for the opener and then mutilate?

[golden loom]

I honestly thought a big part of our spatter damage in aoe was singular focus

[subtle tundra]

yes putting ambush on your stealth bar instead of mutilate

[orchid pewter]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

okay so you're on the dummies in dornogal, you envenom on, caustic hits the other 4, so you deal 4 hits of singular focus, which then each hit the 4 dummies with caustic, which then comes in for 16 hits of singular focus, which then each cleave the 4 dummies with spatter, which then comes back as 64 hits of singular focus, and forever and forever and on on it goes, each time multiplying the hits by 4, each poison application, each poison bomb proc, every tick of kingsbane and hunt them down adding to a permanently, expontentially, server crashing chain of damage events

[midnight mist]

Ok but spatter damage gives you singular focus damage

[golden loom]

yeah

[red schooner]

Seems balanced to me, put it in

[golden loom]

I thought it looped back around tho

[red schooner]

[midnight mist]

when would it stops

[golden loom]

when mob ded

[shrewd night]

Quadratic scaling

[midnight mist]

Real

[golden loom]

idk I just read the damage it does and did not think further

[balmy condor]

for the record, you could exsang bone spike on the PTR in shadowlands

which just permanently doubled it's tick rate

[midnight mist]

I mean I guess since it's a portion of the damage everytime, after a little bit it's already irrelevant I guess

[shrewd night]

Shiv poison knife

[balmy condor]

and people hit a world boss with it and crashed entire zones on PTR within 3 minutes

having singular focus loop back in would be 4x instead of 2x

and it would double itself multiple times a second

you would legit crash whatever instance you're in and it would take less than a second

the first auto you do would just thanos snap the entire server

[shrewd night]

You make it sound like a bad thing

We would finally be free

[balmy condor]

anyway @jaunty matrix pop quiz on damage types, physical damage vs bleed damage vs sonic damage, what do you think the difference is

[golden loom]

idk just give me this option in wow and I wont be mistaken again!

[subtle tundra]

my erection

[wooden timber]

i just wish evasion and feint were more intuitive as someone new to wow

[solid hemlock]

is that league?

[golden loom]

yes

[shrewd night]

Heathen

[golden loom]

I have quite the fitting title in league tho

[midnight mist]

Physical get reduced by armor , bleed is still physical but ignore armor right, and sonic wtf is sonic, that's just the guy that run fast right

[balmy condor]

sonic damage is also phys that ignores armor

[midnight mist]

wtf

[shrewd night]

But its also magical

[jaunty matrix]

phys and bleed are both phys so reduced by armor ?

[balmy condor]

no it isn't

[jaunty matrix]

while sonic is not reduced by armor or magic dr

since its neither

[balmy condor]

yes except bleeds also don't get reduced by armor

[subtle tundra]

sonic is a hedgehog

is that the answer?

[hardy echo]

aren't there physical abilities which pierce armor? or did they change all those to sonic

[balmy condor]

my gf calls me sonic cause I'm small and fast

[jaunty matrix]

why not knuckles

you have red hair

[balmy condor]

on classes? no

[midnight mist]

what is sonic rn appart from some bosses spells

[balmy condor]

nothing

[jaunty matrix]

doesn't warbreaker/collosus smash on warrior break armor ?

that's why the warrior does more dmg

when the debuff is applied

[rotund oak]

isnt collosus smash making it able though

[subtle tundra]

find weakness

buddyyyy

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

I think those are just generic damage increases

[midnight mist]

I mean sub has find weakness

That's diffy

[balmy condor]

yeh that's an armor ignore

[shrewd night]

Wait

[midnight mist]

That's just reducing armor stuffs

[shrewd night]

Is all sonic damage physical, but also no dodge no block possible?

[balmy condor]

correct

[shrewd night]

So its a funny way of saying magic damage

gotcha

[balmy condor]

yes but no

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

cause you can't use magic DR's on it

[rotund oak]

yup u are right

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=167105/colossus-smash

[midnight mist]

so you just get fucked

[rotund oak]

its an amp not ignore

[golden loom]

how effective are bosses armor even retail, how much of a damage gain is find weakness

[midnight mist]

30%

[balmy condor]

well you can still use regular dr's

elusiveness would work

[jaunty matrix]

but isn't ignore/break and dmg amp the same thing in the end

you do more dmg

[balmy condor]

bait and switch wouldn't though

[jaunty matrix]

flavor text

[balmy condor]

yes

precisely

[golden loom]

like in classic I know the values cause with every armor debuff except Expose armor the bosses have 5% DR so using IEA gains you 5% damage

but since there isnt any sunder armor etc in retail idk

[royal lantern]

iirc enemys and bosses have armor, but its a static value or smth like that

and yeha, reductions are not a thing anymore

[jaunty matrix]

i think armor is pretty important stat and they are careful with what they do with it

both for players and bosses

[golden loom]

so find weakness is just a 30% damage gain?

for pyshical

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, tanks use it

[spring carbon]

hey there guys so im very new to rogue and assass (ive been asked if its possible for me to reroll for progression) i seem to get it in Aoe for keys but for raid ST im struggling abit ive seen and heard that its a bit of a stickler of a opener that if you get wrong you tank your damage. has anyone here got anything that i can either watch or read to give us a hand (yes i know wowhead and archon exist its more just incase there is anywhere that has something that may give me hand

[hardy echo]

from mobs/bosses mostly. There used to be physical abilities like Freya's stomp which ignored armor, but maybe they changed those when they updated the damage types

[balmy condor]

well 30% ignore of 30% armor dr is 10%

[subtle tundra]

ok einstein

[balmy condor]

it's not really that precise at all

[midnight mist]

wtf he be mathing no cap !

[balmy condor]

idk where you heard that

[rotund oak]

its armor ignore 30%

[balmy condor]

you need to stack your cooldowns, like any other spec, but it's not some uber serious rocket science

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

what's hm about that

[golden loom]

they ignore 30% of the bosses 100% armor no?

[balmy condor]

find weakness is 30% armor ignore, armor is 30% damage reduction

[golden loom]

ah okay yea

[wooden timber]

whispyr u played maplestory right

[balmy condor]

play actively, right now, yes

[wooden timber]

do u think they should put pdr/ied in wow

[shrewd night]

No, because you can have damage amp on the player, and armor break on target, which makes it doubledip

[balmy condor]

unironically, probably

[wooden timber]

[balmy condor]

but I also think all of wow's stats need to be completely reworked cause all of them are boring as shit and vers giving defensive value is silly

[rotund oak]

i thought an X amount of armor reduced and Y amount of physical dmg

[wooden timber]

i see

[spring carbon]

not hard just that there is a specific way of doing them to maximise no?

[rotund oak]

[midnight mist]

30% armor means you do 30% less physical damage

[balmy condor]

isn't that just the game

[midnight mist]

Or well your physical damage is reduced by 30%

Is that the same thing

Ye that's the same thing

[vale lantern]

guys me and my group just discovered the cart if dfc can take the gateway with which ever player its attached too

our tank took the gateway i made and the cart jumped to the end

[midnight mist]

No wae

[jaunty matrix]

wtf

[spring carbon]

nice one so instead of actually helping just pointless input gg

[vale lantern]

https://youtu.be/olbPKkGyMGY?si=8JGXcJRG3HOdc47w

[vale lantern]

^

see above

[midnight mist]

not clicking your scam link

nice try tho

[vale lantern]

i had to post a youtube video because warlock discord wont let me share discord clip 😦

[balmy condor]

idk why you're so pissy I just don't get the question, yes there's an order you need to press your buttons in, but that doesn't mean assassination damage goes to shit because you messed up 1 gcd

[vale lantern]

not a scam link 😦

[balmy condor]

like that's why the guides have openers

but like lets say you decide to shiv before the deathmark

oh no, -0.4%

you're not going to die just because you fucked up 1 gcd

but obviously pressing buttons correctly matters for dps

[spring carbon]

thankyou ! legit all i asked for

[midnight mist]

ye

[shrewd night]

[midnight mist]

fuck you whispyur

[jaunty matrix]

[balmy condor]

I don't even know what part of that you asked for

but I'm glad it helped I guess

[midnight mist]

all you do is link a wowhead image anyway

[golden loom]

I even 100 parsed with the most usless GCD in our toolkit!

[midnight mist]

not even putting in the work

[midnight mist]

You have that bound?

[balmy condor]

evil fuckass whispyr opens guide yet again

what a stupid poophead he is

[midnight mist]

What's your button for it

[golden loom]

shift G

[midnight mist]

Ye that's a shit bind

I respect it

[spring carbon]

heard its a stickler of a opener you proved it wrong that was it

so ty

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck is a stickler opener

[golden loom]

I use it for transmog runs so have it bound cause of that 😎

[balmy condor]

np

[spring carbon]

stick to rotation.... press A then B then C if you forget B bye bye damage

[balmy condor]

stickler is a term for something that's precise

[charred summit]

Is orc MAG 'har good for rogue?

[balmy condor]

yep

[shrewd night]

Race doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

yep

[charred summit]

I'm asking the pro

Whysper

💕

Whyspyr

[shrewd night]

Oh damn, my bad homie

[charred summit]

Np

🤗

[shrewd night]

Ill refer all your questions to whispyr from now on

[balmy condor]

please do not

[spring stream]

this channel so hilarious

[charred summit]

Thanks Whyspyr 💪🏻💪🏻

You're a legend

[hot nexus]

i believe it's spelt whyspir

[shrewd night]

I swear outlaw and assa channel is making the gap between my will to play rogue even wider

[royal lantern]

hehehehehe

you said gap

[jaunty matrix]

gapped

[balmy condor]

I believe he didn't ask you

[red schooner]

All races are good for rogue, we have sprint

[jaunty matrix]

like the dmg of outlaw with all the other specs

get it

hehe

[normal mist]

Holy moly Koffing just got told to step back

Chat is on fire today

[jaunty matrix]

its oke

[normal mist]

Meowmeow

[shrewd night]

Actually I take it back, its only assa channel, my mental fortitude from nosediving into outlaw is pretty sturdy

[pliant remnant]

[jaunty matrix]

koffing will meow meow whispyr in mod chat

[midnight mist]

do you read outlaw

[shrewd night]

Often

[balmy condor]

I'm sorry to hear that

[midnight mist]

I swear it's the better channel

[royal lantern]

OAB made me appreciate worgen once again

[midnight mist]

Assa channel is full of random weebs

[shrewd night]

Brotherman

[midnight mist]

[shrewd night]

If we had a pet battle channel it would be better than outlaw

[red schooner]

Yeah but we have the cat thread so... Better channel just due to that

[midnight mist]

Wtf man

[ashen orbit]

facts

[midnight mist]

We have a damage metter channel

Noob

[balmy condor]

I'm just saying, assa doesn't require a mod rotation to babysit and watch for people crashing out over absolutely nothing

[jaunty matrix]

outlaw channel has ryu

[midnight mist]

the king

[red schooner]

Yeah but do you get pics of cats in there?

[jaunty matrix]

sin channel has rik BARRELS GUIDE

REEEEEEE

[red schooner]

It makes life better

[wooden timber]

ty for letting me know

[midnight mist]

i hate cats

only dogs are cool

[royal lantern]

im scared of pet battlers

like, that shit has more depth then most classes

what do you mean they have fucking Pokemon like DV values and hidden classes?????? what the hell?

[rotund oak]

a dangerous place to be in fam

[shrewd night]

Real

[jaunty matrix]

birbs are the best

because birb

[red schooner]

George gets posted in there and we love George

[jaunty matrix]

[red schooner]

There's Stuart, we love Stuart as well

[balmy condor]

I think I can actually just ignore the wowhead news channel in my guild, outlaw will let me know if there's rogue changes cause regardless of if they're good or bad they'll fucking explode and hit filter or ping realz out of the blue with a fiery torch and pitchfork

[jaunty matrix]

who's realz

[balmy condor]

it's like a fire alarm for anything blue post involving rogue

except the times where they do that without any rogue changes

which has also happened

[rotund oak]

a bird,who have to love it coz bird

[jaunty matrix]

elaborate

[balmy condor]

blizzard dev

[zealous jay]

You will also know if there are no changes on major patches, that's crashout worthy as well

[jaunty matrix]

oh you mean that guy that didn't know how rogue worked and was here asking so the whole discord made fun of them ?

[royal lantern]

i learned about the "some cds get removed on pull" change by seing yellow names going crazy in wowgen

:3

[jaunty matrix]

i remember reading something like that happened

[balmy condor]

that's..... not at all how that works

[royal lantern]

what

[balmy condor]

but if that's what you remember then I guess sure

[jaunty matrix]

i was not here when it happened

i said i read about it

idk if its true or not

[royal lantern]

where

[jaunty matrix]

maybe it was a copy pasta

[royal lantern]

reddit?

[balmy condor]

doesn't sound true

[royal lantern]

[jaunty matrix]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rotund oak]

[jaunty matrix]

this rings a bell i think

[balmy condor]

but then again I've seen reddit say he quit, got fired, got promoted, and that he moved to a different team

all in the same week

so maybe

[jaunty matrix]

oh right

[balmy condor]

reddit knows best after all

[jaunty matrix]

i also read in reddit that he got promoted

[royal lantern]

reddit making stuff up to be angry about? we never heared of that

[jaunty matrix]

so the dh dev works now on rogue

according to reddit

[shrewd night]

You know what I read on reddit?

[rotund oak]

wait how do u know all that for the man mr whispyr

[jaunty matrix]

[shrewd night]

They said birb is an undercover outlaw player

[balmy condor]

funny enough, he was doing dh and rogue

and then after the internet did internet things and went batshit insane

[midnight mist]

i dont remmeber that

[jaunty matrix]

but the funniest one was

[balmy condor]

as per usual

he fucking disappeared

[jaunty matrix]

and i did read that on reddit

it was recent

[balmy condor]

cause humans can't be fucking normal

[jaunty matrix]

so i remember it clearly

[rotund oak]

undercover idk but if he smels like one,act like one,prolly is one

[balmy condor]

how do I know what

[jaunty matrix]

someone said they got glad once many years ago with a one button macro

tho idk how that works

one button macro

[midnight mist]

Ye he was a pvper

[rotund oak]

he got fired,promoted changed team etc

[shrewd night]

SWIFTY?

[balmy condor]

no one knows that

[midnight mist]

He told me

[balmy condor]

except reddit apparently

go ask reddit

[midnight mist]

He came into my dms and started talking about his life

[rotund oak]

reddit is as good as outlaw channel

[midnight mist]

Dude loves me tho

Understandable

[rotund oak]

ill pass thx

[balmy condor]

doesn't he have you blocked zac

[midnight mist]

Idk

Honestly

Maybe?

[royal lantern]

better question: who doesnt have him blocked

[balmy condor]

me

[subtle tundra]

back in the varas glory days

[shrewd night]

Probably for the better with how all ur neurons fire off if something happens to outlaw

[midnight mist]

I'm not even the worse one in the outlaw channel so idk

[balmy condor]

I unblocked him, he's been not insano cringe lately

[subtle tundra]

id crash out on any subject....

[balmy condor]

zac's been good

[midnight mist]

I'm just mostly negative about a lot of recent changes

[shrewd night]

[midnight mist]

But idk if that warrant a block

Maybe

[royal lantern]

ye, true

[midnight mist]

I mean it's true tho?

[balmy condor]

it is, and that's the concerning part

[midnight mist]

I'm not the one that asked if he was jorking it

[fresh kelp]

insane how that guy continues to justify it btw

[midnight mist]

not many rogue changes lately tbf

just wait

[shrewd night]

Ill do a preventetive measure of timing you out for 14 days next time there is rogue changes

[midnight mist]

Eh I guess we learned that bf was litteraly not working and I didn't crash out

[shrewd night]

Babysitting outlaw is megaweird

[midnight mist]

I'm reformed maybe

[midnight mist]

Ok that sounds illegal

[balmy condor]

11.2 outlaw changes:

• y'all bitched so much about killing spree, it's removed now
• fuck you

[midnight mist]

Ye well

[subtle tundra]

i miss having fights with randoms in this chat....

[midnight mist]

No one would care about that whisp

[shrewd night]

stfu varas

[midnight mist]

The day this happen it's happy land in outlaw

[red schooner]

11.2 outlaw changes - killing speed now available on all specs

[subtle tundra]

fuck off mate

[jaunty matrix]

you joke but this is what i expect tbh

[shrewd night]

MODS???

[jaunty matrix]

fatebound buffs

so we switch from ks

[subtle tundra]

HELLO HE ATTACKED ME FIRST?

[jaunty matrix]

no way they put time to fix that skill

[balmy condor]

it's attached to a hero talent

[jaunty matrix]

their asses are on fire with other stuff

[shrewd night]

MAYBE IF YOU DIDNT PERMA GREENPARSE YOU WOULDNT BE ATTACKED

Oh shit

That was for varas

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

random shots

[jaunty matrix]

[red schooner]

Shot fired and it hit the wrong target

[subtle tundra]

hitting strays

[red schooner]

Friendly fire

[jaunty matrix]

mr koffing

did you know

birbs remember

[shrewd night]

MAYBE ITS TRUE FOR BIRB TOO??

[jaunty matrix]

and hold grudges

[shrewd night]

I aint afraid of no ostridge

[subtle tundra]

definetly is true for me

[royal lantern]

shien is a cat, sooooo

[jaunty matrix]

that's what everyone says

and then birb puts an egg in them

[shrewd night]

I heard those eggs are tasty

[jaunty matrix]

this one won't be

it will taste like

cat hairball

[shrewd night]

Why are you eating my hairballs

[royal lantern]

why does that look like the Boy Kisser

[charred summit]

@shrewd night Is better Orc MAG har than void elf for ASSA rogue???

[shrewd night]

[midnight mist]

will you actually do it

[charred summit]

That cuestion Is for you

💆

[midnight mist]

Im willing to buy myself out prehentively

[jaunty matrix]

where is styx

wtf

[midnight mist]

idk how much yo uwant

i will pay the bail

[shrewd night]

Ask the pro

[charred summit]

HAHAHAHAH

[subtle tundra]

never killing it

idc

[jaunty matrix]

but you have sprocket

wtf

how did you pass

[subtle tundra]

bro i have gallywix

[jaunty matrix]

[subtle tundra]

ive cleared the raid last month

[bronze pike]

Gally wix THIS

[subtle tundra]

👽

[bronze pike]

[subtle tundra]

HOW ARE THESE MY ONE ARMED BANDIT LOGS

I SWEAR TO GOD

[midnight mist]

Haha

Noob

Actual washed up

Lucky you raid private varas

[royal lantern]

varas did the raid when bringing a rogue to stix was kinda a liability, and then finished the raid as ww iirc

[subtle tundra]

🥳

[subtle tundra]

actually i just refused to play the correct talents

cause i didnt like em

which is funny

[jaunty matrix]

why's that

[royal lantern]

based holy shit

[royal lantern]

?

[shrewd night]

Our rogue was megablasting crabs

[jaunty matrix]

why was rogue a liability for stix

[royal lantern]

early stix needed heavy crab dmg

[shrewd night]

Was no match for ye olde boomie, but eh

[royal lantern]

and melee doing crabs? lol

[subtle tundra]

cause why have a rogue when you can have a boomy

[jaunty matrix]

you stacked 4 chickens for that

or 4 shadow priests

no need to take out the melees

[subtle tundra]

also i was benched on stix for a DK

btw

[royal lantern]

yes, and somebody has to go out for them

[subtle tundra]

for more grips

also doing stix that early is different than doing it now

[jaunty matrix]

yeah true forgot about the pre nerf strat

[rotund oak]

idk why you boys care about this raid so much

[jaunty matrix]

what you mean

[rotund oak]

if it wasnt for the trinket i wouldnt even pass outside

[jaunty matrix]

only raid matters in this game

also its a chill raid compared to previous tier

[rotund oak]

💀

[jaunty matrix]

next tier we will pay for that

[ashen orbit]

I care about raid because I want good trinkets?

[rotund oak]

ye thats what i said

the only reason to actually play

and the ring,ring good

but ild rather do keys and que arenas now

lost my interest in raiding,played a horrible grey parse tier as sub

had a blast in shuffle

i came to realize that there must be an issue with ppl raiding in general though

im running around doing pvp and keys and im getting spammed to join ''progress guilds''

4-5 kills into mythic

[static glacier]

People do content for fun

Raiding mythic for loot isn’t worth it at all

[lethal heart]

if that 0% is when you fully stayed alive entire pull

thats 👑

[fallen ginkgo]

Do you guys think its worth it prioritising getting Darkest Night envenom in the KB window over the regular shiv timing? Like potentially missing 1-2 ticks of shiv empowered Kingsbane?

[modern forum]

i've been thinking about the same thing ngl, i feel like its worth as well

[rotund oak]

yeah i dont see any fun atm sadly

[subtle tundra]

same as how others dont find pvp fun

its subjective

you wouldnt catch me in anything pvp related

only time i did it was when it was player power related

[static glacier]

I think this raid is fairly fun but I get where you’re coming from

IMO I don’t really push keys because I find it lacking in rewards

I only will do it to help friends out / if asked to

If they had myth track loot in high keys Y’know I’d become a m+ Andy immediately

[modern forum]

@balmy condor Sorry for the tag but im really interested to hear about this. Like for example if you're in a KB window and it's time to shiv for the KB damage but you're at 2 stacks of deathstalker's mark. Could it be worth to potentially get down to one stack before shiv to guarantee you get a darkest night proc in there?

[rotund oak]

can respect that,pvpers is a dying breed lately anyway

[royal lantern]

"lately"

[rain coral]

hey, is the cap for crest being removed on this wed?

[royal lantern]

no

[rain coral]

when is it coming?

[jaunty matrix]

may 20?

with turbo mode

[rain coral]

oke, but is also warbound then? meaning can i send my crest from x char to y char?

[jaunty matrix]

not crests

[idle vine]

Is there an easy way to set focus and target focus for keys? I constantly am losing my deathstalkers mark target

[jaunty matrix]

valorstones will be warbound then

[rain coral]

oke

and also the ilvl is going to be raised from 678 to 684 on may 20th?

[jaunty matrix]

yes, mythic gets two more levels

[rain coral]

i think heroic too

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

no

[modern forum]

🫡

[twin raven]

I was a so good hunter for stix I am the coin hunter on one armed, I guess my rogue retire for the season

[amber brook]

do we hold deathmark for damage amp bosses or just send

[idle vine]

Is there an easy way to set focus and target focus for keys? I constantly am losing my deathstalkers mark target

[balmy condor]

can just make macros for those

most people just mouseover their dots or don't swp

[iron vapor]

Hold it.

Well, within reason anyway - if the amp happens at 1 min, hold it, if it happens at 2min30, send it at the start and then wait.

[normal mist]

RIP Iberian peninsula

[static glacier]

damn sucks for spain and portugal

[normal mist]

Someone took "bury the light deep within" way too seriously

Ate my lunch cold, could be worse

[balmy condor]

call me "my lunch cold, could be worse"

[normal mist]

Yes mommy

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

[silk swan]

hey guys in new to assass rogue and been follwing wowhead. only thing im not sure about is if we have 2 targets do we use crimson tempest ? when i input my talents it tells me to only use on +3 targets on the aoe rotation

[royal lantern]

in m+, yes

CT is at 2+ target

if you play bleed build, its on ST aswell

[silk swan]

thank you. it says not to use CT on single target as im using amplified poisons. im literally using a out the box build atm

[balmy condor]

it says CT on 3+?

that should say 2+

[static glacier]

[silk swan]

no i know to use CT on +3 as it says on the rotation guide when i input my talents but didn't specify anything on cleave +2

[balmy condor]

yeah but where does it say CT on +3

cause it should be saying CT on two everywhere

[nova aspen]

[royal lantern]

[balmy dome]

For m+ bleed build do you use instant poison?

[royal lantern]

what

[balmy condor]

heavens no

[royal lantern]

why

[spice surge]

You always use the poisons you talent into

Aka deadly or amp

[balmy condor]

instant poison makes you unable to get energy from venomous wounds and doesn't let you apply caustic

so

[midnight mist]

Whispyr

Did you really unblock zeross

[balmy condor]

correct

[amber brook]

On Big Momma and motherlode 1st boss specifically

[midnight mist]

[spice surge]

Condolences

[midnight mist]

Was it cause he deserved it or cause he is spamming so much you can't ignore him anymore

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna regret it probably but there was a convo going on that needed my tc

[midnight mist]

Okok

[balmy condor]

he wasn't uber cringe about it so it stayed off

[royal lantern]

mortherlode yes

big mommy yes in low/medium keys, but in REALLY high keys you need the dmg on the adds

[nova aspen]

ngl i like his build

big st, decent aoe

[hard river]

zero says he has a massively undersimming build

im sure he is the most reliable narrator

[royal lantern]

isnt it literally just almost the "cleave" build from S1

[amber brook]

Also on motherlode 2nd boss, is the earthrager able to be kidney'd?

[royal lantern]

ofc?

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean he has a massively undersimming build in 10T 3min patchwerk or whatever cause I don't support giga patchwerk aoe as a fight style

[spice surge]

Yes the one that isnt empowered is kidneyable

But why would you

[amber brook]

i got flamed

[spice surge]

Its slowed with crippling

[amber brook]

for not kidneying

[spice surge]

So it doesnt move much

[silk swan]

ive sorted it now. on aoe it now tells me to maintain CT on +2 targets

[royal lantern]

yeha, stupid people

[silk swan]

thanks

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

like, the adds move at like 2km/h

[spice surge]

Esp if youre playing bleed and have arterial

[royal lantern]

oh no, casters cant go full brain off for once and need to move sometimes a bit

the horror

[spice surge]

Shiv slows them by 92%

[amber brook]

yep bleed

the fire mage was hella mad i didnt kidney

[royal lantern]

FIRE MAGE

[spice surge]

Fire mage

Bruh

[royal lantern]

COMPLAINING ABOUT MOVMENT

[spice surge]

💀

[royal lantern]

what the fuck

[amber brook]

It was a 13 key as well

[royal lantern]

that doesnt change shit

its frking fire

they can use everything while moving anyway

[hard river]

ye that sounds fun to resolve differences between sustain aoe that doesnt fuck with dslice/droute

outlaw got a taste of that a bit but it's so minimal for us

[spice surge]

But ye swap your atrophic/numbing to crippling for that fight

And dont kidney, waste of cp

[balmy condor]

yeah and you also don't have like 35 possible m+ talent builds afaik

[hard river]

oops i skipped a word i meant sounds fun

[amber brook]

remembered

[hard river]

lmao yeah

[balmy condor]

meanwhile zeross is playing like a duct-taped together raid build with 4 aoe talents

and I'm like well

didn't have that one on my list of 17 test profiles

that's on me I guess!

[deep gyro]

[royal lantern]

[lilac tulip]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

I answered a question for a high io rogue earlier this week about when to stop using shiv, and it was like 1.6% in sustained aoe, but only on 8-11 targets, and -2% in dslice

and I wanted to cry

[spice surge]

Im not convinced scent+demise is much better than zoldyck+arterial either with that setup, but who knows

[balmy condor]

and then while I was holding back tears he hit me with the "what about with supercharger"

and I couldn't hold it in anymore

[hollow saddle]

Wtf warrior n monk buff is op, my overall went insane.

[royal lantern]

you know what that means

we are in the "boss dmg is the only thing that matters" part of the m+ circle rn

[balmy condor]

all I do on this app is weep

[solar wyvern]

The 20% agi from scent just funnels so hard into prio targets idk if full cleave is worth it

[midnight mist]

I mean zeross said it still was doing similar AOE anyway

[solar wyvern]

Been fiddling with this talent swap myself and its definitely a noticeable boss dps increase without sacrificing much aoe

[midnight mist]

I do think doing similar AOE while doing 1.9 st is quite valuable kekew

[solar wyvern]

Similar aoe with BETTER priority dps as well

[solar wyvern]

Killed the birds in rookery before the casters the other day

[royal lantern]

nah, im just joking about the part that m+ discussions always circle saound the same few things in repeat

[solar wyvern]

Tank didn't know what to do since they normally don't die that fast

[spice surge]

Well ye its 16% more damage when youve got adds, but zoldyck is on average 10% (and often more as other peoples burst run out), and arterial is very very big aoe

[subtle tundra]

aoe specialist spec decides to do mediocre aoe instead

[nova aspen]

when playing with boomie and unh the last thing the group needs is more aoe kek

giga padders

[balmy condor]

and like maybe zeross is right and it's a sim problem idk but with there being no good way to sim m+ and also way too many talent combinations and way too many situations to account for, knowing which talents are perfectly optimized and which aren't it's kinda just blindly guessing tbh

[royal lantern]

yeha but if you are serious about m+ and have a unholy dk and boomkin, why do you Play rogue in that group

[nova aspen]

i tried it out and the mini bosses in priory were dying almost faster than the adds

[royal lantern]

like, thats the part that confuses me

[solar wyvern]

I just found early in the season when i fiddled with cleave build the results just weren't there. Maybe I should give it another go in mecha/top/rook/dfc

[nova aspen]

in priory 15

[nova aspen]

sham healer underrated imo

[golden loom]

Just play the Based Ethical comp of Bear, MW, MM, Fury and Assa

[nova aspen]

but were also just a group of friends with limited comp variety so

[subtle tundra]

no shaman buff?

remove that MM get a shaman

[solar wyvern]

I think rsham rogue+2 melee is a very good comp ngl

[spice surge]

Idk the ST is just much better but

[golden loom]

its just what the 1 team is playing in MDI so I just copied them spec for spec

[subtle tundra]

isnt that group playing outlaw?

[winged sun]

Rogue has identical funnel to arcane, very good st and much higher aoe

[solar wyvern]

Yeah blindside+execute kinda hugeth. Im gonna play around with cleave today i have enough sample size with the zeross tech

[golden loom]

played outlaw in DFC and Bleed in Priory

[solar wyvern]

See where they fall short and stand tall against eachother

[winged sun]

Blindside is outrageous

Don’t try it

[subtle tundra]

damn even the most otp otps play assa...

[winged sun]

I tried blindside for many keys

No good dmg

[royal lantern]

proc it more often

[subtle tundra]

bro youre swapping a 3% talent for a 3% talent youre not gonna notice

[nova aspen]

execute in m+ kinda gimmicky, i get maybe 1 or 2 execute deathmarks

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck

[winged sun]

3% talent that works on every pull and a 3% talent that you can barely utilize

What do I choose?

[midnight mist]

Sure, just saying that this time he isn't really justifying an aoe loss for st loss, it just seems to be better from his point of view in most scenario, and I tend to believe him when I see him do the kind of overall he can do

Not that I'm defending anything zeross does tho that guy is cooked

[nova aspen]

hes a chef

[subtle tundra]

unholy dk

[nova aspen]

beating unh in overall in cinderbrew sold me

so yea

[ashen orbit]

He beat unholy overall in cinderbrew?

dang

[rotund oak]

The proff thingies in Cinderbrew meadery arent worthy aight?

[idle vine]

im a macro noob. Is there a guide for this

[winged sun]

On our 18 cinderbrew yea

[solar wyvern]

Wait i thought cinderbrew was off limits with that talent setup

[rotund oak]

idk

[static glacier]

shoulda been sin xd

[balmy condor]

https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Focus_target

[ashen orbit]

that's pretty sick

[rotund oak]

my rogue has alch and engi

[balmy condor]

zeross doing math terrifies me, but zeross pushing buttons is good

undeniable button pusher

[idle vine]

do you know if when the focus dies, it resets? Or am i gonna need a third keybind to clear focus each time

[balmy condor]

well the focus dies there's nothing to focus

cause ya know

it's dead

[idle vine]

thought maybe it'd keep focusing the dead target

[balmy condor]

nah

[subtle tundra]

i dont trust overalls, you could see last season casual outdpsing the enha all the time overall but that was cause the enha was crippling his dmg overall for more prio and such

[balmy condor]

also /focus just resets on its own

cause you're setting a new focus

[idle vine]

now to find room for 2 more keybinds haha

[subtle tundra]

when assa cant choose between prio and aoe etc

[winged sun]

He was playing supercharger+garrote

[shrewd night]

does he push the right buttons

[subtle tundra]

last season?

[winged sun]

Which kinda worked sometimes last season

Yeah

[subtle tundra]

yeah in some dungeons

so did i

[winged sun]

Some pulls u can get good garrotes on ‘em

[balmy condor]

he pushes buttons well enough to do big damage, good enough for me

[subtle tundra]

i meant button pressed, assa doesnt choose between prio and aoe

enha did

[winged sun]

But this time u have a lot of pulls where garrote is wasted this season and envenom just does so much dmg

[shrewd night]

Whats the reference for big dam, compared to aug?

[balmy condor]

I can't say if it's the right buttons or not cause trying to sim dungeons is aids

and it just be like that

but it's clearly good enough

[barren zenith]

when to go hybrid or bleed on like 15s and up? dungeon or comp dependent?

[rotund oak]

nvm whatever guess ill pick them up and try,what could go wrong.For science

[shrewd night]

me out here roasting the fuck out of zeross for no other reason than the fact he used to be an outlaw fiend

[winged sun]

@subtle tundra and this build is on avg doing more than sub rogue st without having to rely on kill timers and being afk after sending the cd aswell

[balmy condor]

used to

[winged sun]

It really does good st, this build reliably pulls off 2m pure st with lust

[royal lantern]

outlaw is a mindset

[solar wyvern]

I had a 1.9m kujo pull with this build it definitely goes hard af

[winged sun]

Nice

[rotund oak]

more like braindamage

[winged sun]

Ye Kujo bunch of downtime aswell with new change

[solar wyvern]

Yeah but if you're spamming and your tank still pulls it to the box

You can whiteswing through the box

[balmy condor]

my biggest hope is that I can get sims good enough to be able to support people like zeross tbh

[solar wyvern]

And get energy back with dashing

[balmy condor]

it actually pisses me off so bad that m+ sims are trash

[ashen orbit]

The greatest specc discord

[winged sun]

I appreciate ur efforts big man

[balmy condor]

I appreciate you trying new things

it pushes me to try and be better mathguy

[solar wyvern]

Get a room u 2

[nova aspen]

i did 1.8m on 2nd boss priory 15

with ur cook

and all the mini bosses died before adds

[iron vapor]

What's the change from the 'standard' bleed build?

[winged sun]

That’s rly high, considering u don’t have lust there aswell

Or did u guys save it?

[nova aspen]

my tank was like jesus i like this build malarki

no we used on the quad pull

before

[winged sun]

Ye figured

[nova aspen]

with many paladins

[winged sun]

Yeah all grp’s have to

[nova aspen]

2 deathmark's

[winged sun]

That pull is hard hard

[nova aspen]

on that boss

[solar wyvern]

Its closer to hybrid than bleed and its -IG -Shrouded -MA +TTK+dashing+lightweight shiv and forced induction instead of subterfuge

[nova aspen]

yea its the scariest pull for sure

that or last mini boss

we had 4 min to spare with 3 deaths

[iron vapor]

Oh ok, I'll give it a go later on. I'm only doing 12s at the moment but a bit of extra ST would be nice

Especially if it doesn't massively gimp AOE

[solar wyvern]

Idk if 12s would benefit since things need to live for you to spatter off of

[winged sun]

@solar wyvern what do u think of tea btw

I rly like it a lot

[solar wyvern]

As opposed to what?

[hard river]

coffee

[winged sun]

But idk why I had some thoughts to drop it for lethality but it isn’t double dipping anymore so it’s abit sus

Definitely need tea for st

[solar wyvern]

Nah theres no way you dont take tea

[winged sun]

I’m convinced u need to save all ur tea’s for bosses now

U really pull off scary numbers on bosses

It’s so easy to do that since the build generates infinite energy

[solar wyvern]

I prefer keeping at least one on cd but on something like candleking its def worth to stack em

[nova aspen]

this is a good idea

[winged sun]

Oh btw Charrend do u play with rsham?

I found a way to live swampface on 18 now

[solar wyvern]

Yeah rsham uh arms bear hsd been the comp

[iron vapor]

Oh don't worry about that, stuff lives plenty long enough in a 12 with my group!

[winged sun]

Idk if u struggled living there too

[kind forge]

What have you cooked ?

[solar wyvern]

With an rsham yeah its a struggle whats the tech

Inb4 15% verse

[winged sun]

I didn’t really cook anything it’s just cd rotations we had to do

[nova aspen]

vers as a defensive tech

[winged sun]

Basically our shaman uses his totem that heals on one set you feint

2nd is amz+feint+crimson vial

3rd is evasion + feint (personals)

4th is shaman ascendance + feint

5th u will get that totem back and u have a cloak+healthpot to spare that way

[kind forge]

Ah thought I’ve read about a dmg build from you people are referring

But it’s just defensive

[winged sun]

No it’s just that boss is the hardest to live

For sin atm

With shaman healer that is

[solar wyvern]

We have innervate so we do ascendance+innervate into amz into personals into manatide into personal set 2 into ascendance

Its good to get ascendance and innervate on cd together since thats the mana intensive casting

[winged sun]

But yeah I had to drop some crit, I’m at 22% now for vers since stats barely matter

And the sim wasn’t that far off at all

[winged sun]

Yeah true

That’s what we did

[solar wyvern]

I wonder how much more annoying it is to press fok in 2 target

With 22% crit

[winged sun]

Sometimes we play with arms instead of boomie

Can be abit tough

Especially that we lose a bunch of aoe

[solar wyvern]

Yeah warriors a bit downbad

[winged sun]

Yeah

[solar wyvern]

Tho if you actually get things to stay still demolish actually does so much damage

[winged sun]

Our boomie is doing good st so we’re turbo killing bosses

He’s also full bis in all fairness

The guy has full myth upgraded items on all pieces except jastor+citrine

And a hc track chest

Rest is all 678

[solar wyvern]

Sheeesh

Im still 5 pieces short 😦

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