assassination

[thorn thorn]

Im telling you a shrimp crit that envenom

[winged sun]

r1 is 676 dk with 9 pi's

4.7

i feel like the crit burst is important

lots of big pulls that you can absolutely nuke with master assassin

[wooden timber]

oh ok ty

[winged sun]

i could be wrong tho

like

this build could be good there

master assassin is incredibly strong still in cinder

WAY stronger than arcane mage

its not even close

[wooden timber]

[nova kelp]

I feel like MA has been considered strong for... a while?

is this new?

[balmy condor]

Every day is a new finding for m+

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[winged sun]

heres the double shiv build in floodgates, i think its pretty strong there too

this build does rly nasty funnel tho

[winged sun]

we depleted at the end tho

[wooden timber]

im asking why he says supercharger hybrid is really strong in other big pull dungeons but in cinderbrew he prefers ma

since i was curious and couldnt figure it out myself bc i am a raidlogger and not a good m+ player

[nova kelp]

like I don't want to say those numbers aren't impressive
they are
it's just... showing details from the end of a run has SO MANY variables in data analysis to consider

details really just tells you how well you did in THAT run

rather than as a general comparison

like, if you could back to back it with a bunch of different builds, while everything else stays the same... maybe? but that's hella rough

that's why we have sims

[balmy condor]

Yeah but devils advocate is that there’s no reasonable way to sim m+, especially at the accuracy asked for by the community

Our models aren’t strong enough, and there’s simply not enough compute power to model dungeons accurately enough

Dungeonslice isn’t a dungeon, dungeonroute has no variance, using patchwerk aoe for m+ is dumbfuck behavior

Like this is just simply the byproduct of a lack of simulations

[nova kelp]

like yeah
but that's the difference between schooling people on what they SHOULD do with hard and fast rules
like we currently advise x build based on best overall results for various measures
there MIGHT be variations someone at a high level would make that would better suit a thousand different groups
but it's not like you're about to caveat 166235424 different builds to account for that

[coral ibex]

what about patchwerk aoe is bad bc the high io rogue in my guild swears that dslice is ass and uses patchwerk aoe sims

[sudden brook]

patchwork also isn't raid but for some reason people put a lot of value in that

[thorn thorn]

How high is high io

[balmy condor]

Realistically I need to caveat 184929264 different builds though, that’s what is expected of sims

[coral ibex]

#11

3491

[balmy condor]

The issue is that what the community thinks sims are vs what sims actually do is a giant chasm

[nova kelp]

lol mate, I tell you what if the guides ever turn into "if x and y dps are present in your key then run z build"
I will have an instant aneurysm along with everyone else

[balmy condor]

The expectation that sims answer all of life’s questions is just brainrot

And any conversation about what the pitfalls are is just “ain’t reading that, sims suck ass, got it I’m gonna go copy archon”

Which isn’t productive

[winged sun]

@sonic schooner look at this

[thorn thorn]

Sims have always been a "under ideal circumstances" measurement and people who blindly follow it are stupid as fuck

[coral ibex]

well idk how else to sim for lots of aoe

[winged sun]

824m boss dmg 4:11 fight on +18, this is the highest arcane dmg dealer in floodgates in wowlogs, 779m boss dmg + 4:39 sec fight

i believe this build has higher funnel than arcane

@sonic schooner

and more aoe

[coral ibex]

ive been using dslice to be consistent

[winged sun]

its just straight up stronger

i think this build is sleeper broken

[thorn thorn]

You can use whatever you want just recognize that the answer isnt and cant be a perfect answer

[nova kelp]

see it's THAT kind of tangent which borders on problematic

[thorn thorn]

Too many variances

[nova kelp]

and often when I see it, it comes with "lul bleed sucks play my build"

which is... zzzzzzzzzzz

[balmy condor]

Patchwerk aoe sims are dumb as shit because they assume literally nothing other than a stacked clump. It assumes our models work for all talent combos in aoe, which they don’t and I know they don’t, it doesn’t take any restealths or chain pulls into account, the mobs live and die at the same time

Like it’s just not reflective of any real situation

Dungeonslice is shit, that’s true

But it’s way closer to reality than anything we have otherwise

[nova kelp]

"here's my details from a cherry picked successful run I did, see my sweet nummers?????????"

[balmy condor]

Because it takes these things into account

[bronze pike]

ret chads win again

we dont restealth so we cna aoe patchwerk

[coral ibex]

empirically zeross's build must be somewhat effective seeing as he is the highest io rogue in the world

[bronze pike]

yes but no

[coral ibex]

at the least it isn't holding him back

[bronze pike]

keys are silly

if you have time

[thorn thorn]

He did also explicitly say do not play his build outside of high keys

[bronze pike]

alot of time

you can time keys with anything you feel like is good enough to perform

cutting edge is a different beast

than regular keys

[coral ibex]

yea but zeross isn't doing this at the end of a season in max ilvl with as many attempts as possible

[bronze pike]

zeross also said not to use his cooks unless your around his bracket

[nova kelp]

Like I said earlier, I don't disagree entirely with that
there are a million variations you could make to builds to better fit a specific group
but being at that level implies a level of knowledge where breaking a rule is done so with a level of experience involved

[bronze pike]

which also the same advise alot of high end key players do with their specs

[nova kelp]

that's a TOTALLY DIFFERENT thing to what you ADVISE for people

[bronze pike]

yoda,squishvegan, ect ect

people tend to ignore that last bit

:)

[dapper cradle]

ross is just telling all the other #1 rio rogues what to play

i don't get why everyone is seething

[winged sun]

wdym

[coral ibex]

i'm just a #1 rio rogue suffering a temporary setback

[winged sun]

i dont understand that comment

[coral ibex]

you aren't timing keys by virtue of volume of attempts

[drifting cloud]

resillient or

[jaunty warren]

A build a top 10 rogue can make slap != a build 99.9% of us can make even marginal

[balmy condor]

I mean I don’t think that’s true either

[coral ibex]

im just saying it isn't a bad build

[balmy condor]

There’s just a billion builds that work for a billion different situations

Assassinations tree is just insanely open ended

[dapper cradle]

will that build work in my runed crest farm keys?

[coral ibex]

no you will do tank damage

key level has to say 17

[nova kelp]

it's KIND of a factor
Shroud is ultra good at FPS games
he goes into a lobby and dominates with a spud gun
so spud gun BiS?????
no SHROUD is bis, spud gun sucks

[bronze pike]

having alot of build variation is good btw

as a veng player

i lowkey happoy hwe have like

6 build variants that are capable of doing high end

maybe more if you wanna meme

[winged sun]

@coral ibex this build does 2m pure st, and has higher funnel than arcane mage and does more aoe than arcane mage, -200k dps of the r1 udk with 9 pi's and 676 ilvl (full bis)

[balmy condor]

It’s no secret that Zeross is an eternal headache of mine, but the build is fine and he plays well and times the keys and that’s really it, the tree lets you do things like that

[winged sun]

also, we have the fastest big momma kill on +18 in the game

because of this build specifically

and the aoe is legit crazy for high keys

because garrote is useless in high keys

[silk sundial]

All that spatter dmg

[winged sun]

u pull like

30-40 mobs

at once

[spice surge]

I also think iron wire is underappreciated, if it was baseline for assassination it would be nerfed to the ground within a season

[winged sun]

u wont spend 20 gcd's

to garrote all of that

[winged sun]

ye true

[spice surge]

Being able to silence mobs for 17 seconds per vanish charge/stealth is insane

[winged sun]

its just a scam to take it tho

u need dps in keys atm, and its so easy to manage casts

with a premade that is

[spice surge]

You could play something other than DH, something that does more damage perhaps

[sonic schooner]

u show me fonts random dude, hopefull does 1.1b on this boss

it s great funnel still tho

[nova kelp]

noone would realistically disagree with the idea that viable variation is good
but it's more about the wording choice with regards to prescription that you tell people

[balmy condor]

I mean that’s not possible to expect of people

[coral ibex]

especially not zeross xd

[buoyant herald]

Wow players aggressively misunderstand stuff

[nova kelp]

I think you might misunderstand what tact I say that in

[dapper cradle]

I think you might misunderstand what tact I say that in

[thorn thorn]

This is actually the only statement that matters here

[balmy condor]

This is a community forum about a video game not a peer reviewed paper on a cutting edge cancer treatment, people say dumb shit about dumb builds and dumb gameplay all the time, me included

[thorn thorn]

Genuinely

[balmy condor]

Zeross says dumb shit, I say dumb shit, Zac says dumb shit, Eleem says dumb shit

We all say dumb shit

[spice surge]

I would never (except the times i do)

[earnest remnant]

I don’t

[dapper cradle]

Btw I appreciate all the work you do for theory crafting all of these builds Whispyr , really cool of you to do for the community and a huge help. Thank you

[coral ibex]

we need more globbicus posting

[spice spire]

I’ve never. IB is meta soon trust

[spice surge]

Surely next season we get the rupture tier set

[thorn thorn]

True Quake would never shitpost

[spice surge]

So we can go full red talents in raid

[winged sun]

this is r1 arcane on 18 in wowlogs btw

[spice surge]

No more green

[spice spire]

Amen eleem

[sonic schooner]

the day they ll make IW easy to reach is the day where IW will get nerfed to the ground. For now it costs too much dps, unless playing bleed build. But this said build miss lot of value in higher keys in my testings. Good sustain aoe tho

Btw zero, i dont recommand playing your new cook with an arcane mage. I tried it s the worst synergy ever seen

[winged sun]

@sonic schooner btw

[spice surge]

I mean if IW allows you to do pulls you couldnt it could still be worth it, or if it allows you to swap to a tank that isnt DH and you can still do the big pulls since youll never run out of stops

[winged sun]

hopeful's best run

4:44 on big momma

we did 4:11

just saying

[sonic schooner]

it s sure great

[drifting cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BVCGqWFPzY1H9g2p?fight=10&type=damage-done&target=301

[sonic schooner]

see

4.04

[winged sun]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HzaAgTDVCMXNRZbK?fight=2&type=damage-done&pull=5&target=65

[sonic schooner]

[winged sun]

well heres a 4:44

its just rng w.e

[sonic schooner]

it is a lot of rng

[winged sun]

u could do alot of things

to speed up the kill

but

[drifting cloud]

you also have shaman buff which you seem to ignore but always point out t he pis

xd

[winged sun]

the funnel does look exactly the same

[winged sun]

pala has buffs too

[sonic schooner]

i swear dk is a joke lmao

i truely thing, and that even before the last nerfs, uhdk is a bait

[winged sun]

also skyfury isn't as strong as it is for sub

[sonic schooner]

it s great for padding

[dapper cradle]

Ross’s giga rogue arc is sensational

[spice surge]

It is though

[sonic schooner]

i dont trust that eleem

[spice surge]

Idk sims are lying again ig

Even on pure ST

Its the same

[winged sun]

rly?

[sonic schooner]

but how

[winged sun]

wdym

[nova kelp]

everything eventually becomes feelycraft

[winged sun]

its just 3%

[spice surge]

Amplifying poison good

[winged sun]

mastery

[sonic schooner]

double auto = more poisons

but sht and all of that so good for sub

[dapper cradle]

Is it contingent on amp?

[spice surge]

I mean i havent compared non-raid builds

[balmy condor]

Hunt them down exists too

[spice surge]

But for the raid builds yes its around 5% for both

[sonic schooner]

feel like 10% for sub in keys

[balmy condor]

Surely

[spice surge]

Should be less impactful in keys

As less percentage of your combo points come from sht

[nova kelp]

I would say, whenever I play sub with/without skyfury, it FEELS like having perma hero

[balmy condor]

I feel like zoldyck is 600% in keys actually

[near valley]

i'll hunt you down

[spice surge]

Yes it feels ass to play without it as sub

[balmy condor]

Don’t tell anyone though

Sims fake

[nova kelp]

big feels

[sonic schooner]

yea the feeling of no shammy as sub is outrageously hideous

[thorn thorn]

Zoldyck is actually just +35% dps in keys

Massive grief to not have it

[winged sun]

@spice surge i miss sub man

[thorn thorn]

/s

[sonic schooner]

good job zero

doing the same dps as u were week 2 as sub

[nova kelp]

this is the most feeling rogues have done in a while, like since shadowcraft was a thing
your therapists would be proud

[spice surge]

The extra symbols charges means were less reliant on the extra cdr from skyfury sht compared to before

[quartz relic]

Anything I should keep in mind if I want to try that build you're playing? I want to try it on 16. I usually have problems when they won't let me go invisible during pulls. Maybe I could try yours, although I love the bleeding build. @winged sun

[spice surge]

Which is why its less impactful than before

[cerulean walrus]

RESTEALTH MENTIONED

[sonic schooner]

helps a lot with sending dry sectech. I find myself pressing the button outside of dances a lot now. Idk how much that is but me likey

[hidden bay]

Dead

[unreal flame]

quick question, if youre taking blindside, do you FoK on 4+ instead of 3+?

[nova kelp]

how do I dps barrels on richard reverberation?

[thorn thorn]

Days without restealth mentioned

[winged sun]

the build is alot harder to play, you dont have garrotes so u have to FoK between ruptures sometimes in IC

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-crazy-cat-zoomies-gif-9877358298643393466

@sonic schooner

look at this

[nova kelp]

press fok, hard

[spice surge]

Surely sub gets buffed so its good in m+

[drifting cloud]

are you that desperate for attention?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s 35% on each target right so on 8 targets that’s 280% and so then you have sanguine on those which is 30% of that’s so that’s +364% and then it all comes back in with singular focus which is 5% of that but double dips mastery and spec aura so really that’s like 70% master and 7% spec aura so idk quick math 5% + 70% + 7% is like maybe 100% idk I suck at math, 100% of 364% is like 365, 365 days in a year, assassination best spec every day of the year, delete sub and outlaw wrap it up we figured it out

[drifting cloud]

just repeating same 3 things over and over when people are talking about keys

[winged sun]

ngl sub is probably the worst spec in the game in m+

its so bad rn

im so sad about it

[thorn thorn]

So true bestie

[sonic schooner]

cant be the worst

well

[solar wyvern]

I aint readin all that, happy for you tho, or sorry that happened

[sonic schooner]

actually i think aug is better

[hidden bay]

Valid

That’s why you are the best

[winged sun]

ye aug is better

[sonic schooner]

aug has a purpose at least

[balmy condor]

Yes exactly

[nova kelp]

I love sub, but I'm not a fan of playing it in keys just coz of the inherent god on/off with dances 😦

[spice surge]

I love that shit, problem is that on isnt on enough

[thorn thorn]

Gotta play that new build and abuse bugs too

It really cranks with that

[buoyant herald]

I’ve been a sub hater since week one when everyone was saying it was the go to build and I tried it and hated

[balmy condor]

We tried it and it was super ass

[buoyant herald]

I feel so vindicated

[thorn thorn]

Did they play it right

[wooden timber]

sub is fun and it will be more fun with a 10% aura buff in 1 week

[nova kelp]

I feel like whenever I'm in sub keys, on the occassional pull where I don't have my shit I'm just a burden

like overall it's definitely not really a thing, but the feeling that I remember from each key centers around it

[balmy condor]

They nearly beat me on a couple pulls yeh

Problem is they lost steam after 20 seconds

[bronze pike]

i dont say dumb shit

[balmy condor]

It’s like sub except their burst is 20s every 3rd pull

[bronze pike]

i am perfect

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

Its reliant on mass AOE and a ultra cringe cancel aura macro to function in any capacity

[balmy condor]

Ye

[thorn thorn]

They can use deep breath every 30ish seconds in aoe

Actually has healer ST dam

[spice surge]

Instantly disproven smh my head

[thorn thorn]

[bronze pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[sonic schooner]

if only it was god during cds, but it s just average Just in pure single target burst / amp phase (cf last rookery boss) it s good. Otherwise it does other dps during cds and i wont talk about outside of them

[drifting cloud]

Eleem are you waiting for ilvl bump

or did you give up on keys

[nova kelp]

yeah I mean, fair, but you know what I'm getting at

[balmy condor]

Which spec scales harder with the ilvl turbo ultra giga super boost

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/locked-away-cat-eternity-doritos-gif-27631598

[balmy condor]

Outlaw returns?

[sonic schooner]

outlaw now hardcap at 4 targets

cant be

[buoyant herald]

Is the ilvl bump gonna make KS universally usable

[nova kelp]

😮 WHISPYR said the O word!?!

[balmy condor]

They have their haste tax, so logically now they can have real stats, ergo thus hence outlaw super meta

[buoyant herald]

They also have mastery tax

[sonic schooner]

They have CR taxes

[spice surge]

Mostly given up for now, the people i was gonna play with ended up with fotm rerollers instead and I got left behind

[sonic schooner]

which cant be resolve by ilvl

[nova kelp]

mastery tax?

[sonic schooner]

sadly

[balmy condor]

What about the tax tax

[spice surge]

I tried some pugging but i really cba sitting in queue for an hour per attempted key

[drifting cloud]

zeross is paving the way for you to be fotm soon

[sonic schooner]

That s like 90% of this discord users 😔

[drifting cloud]

1 bluepost away

[thorn thorn]

Hi Whispyr what enchant from .5 patch is most dps, sim gave me X but I know sims lie so I think Y is better

[misty holly]

Will the wowhead guide be updated with what to spend the new curios on?

[buoyant herald]

It already is

[nova kelp]

of discord users*

[balmy condor]

I added that before the season was even live, yes

[spice surge]

The few keys i did do with them while the boomy was away i outdpsed the fotm reroll dk

[buoyant herald]

Doesn’t matter, you play wrong colour get out

They’ll improve, surely

Right

[drifting cloud]

dont worry in like 7 seasons they might adress the party buffs in m+

[spice surge]

Tbf not having a ress or the other utility things druid has does kinda suck

[balmy condor]

You only beat the dk because you were stealing the dk’s damage or something idk play FI for boss damage instead

What’s the argument these days for overall damage not mattering

Bosses take too long?

[nova kelp]

everything is "padding"

[balmy condor]

Yeah yeah everything except the thing that fits my narrative

[buoyant herald]

Overall damage matters if you top it, boss/prio damage matters if you don’t

[nova kelp]

those mobs that need to die, nah that's "padding"

[balmy condor]

Then it’s ethical

[buoyant herald]

The only niche that matters is my own

Most interrupts

Least avoidable damage taken

[spice surge]

Padding by killing the prio mob with a 30m demise before the arcane mage was done

[nova kelp]

then you run with a prot pally

[buoyant herald]

No way

[balmy condor]

You ugly disgusting padded

[buoyant herald]

Then he steals my interrupts

[nova kelp]

luls

[spice surge]

So true

[balmy condor]

Imagine how much faster the key would be if you had like 200k more boss damage or whatever at the cost of 400k aoe everywhere else

[nova kelp]

if you didn't win overall, then you find as many caveats that you require to prove why you out paced everyone else

it's simple

[balmy condor]

Those 3 seconds you saved on bosses

SYRELY

Imagine how fast the key goes

[buoyant herald]

I didn’t get PI, healer let me die in my CDs, etc etc

I could go on

Tank pulled weirdly

[nova kelp]

if all else fails you sit on "I was deliberately choosing to tank my dps in certain ways that you wouldn't understand as a non (class) main so I could save the run"

[buoyant herald]

No restealths

[balmy condor]

Restealth perhaps

[buoyant herald]

DAMMIT

[balmy condor]

We didn’t time key cause tank chained

Obviously

[nova kelp]

lol

the CHAINING

[solar wyvern]

We didn't time the key because my tank didn't let me restealth so my dps was too low to make up for my 9 deaths

Wait why did my emojis send like that

[coral ibex]

those are the biggest emoji ive ever seen

[buoyant herald]

Because of your huge feelings

[nova kelp]

those feelings are huge because of the accuracy

[solar wyvern]

Ig so ongod

[balmy condor]

New zeross build doesn’t take imp gar so like maybe he’s just trying to account for chaining does anyone know PLEASE HELP PUSHING A +8 LATER THIS IS IMPORTANT

[solar wyvern]

Wait shit hes so big brain actually

[nova kelp]

the +8 got me rollin

[dapper cradle]

They hated him because he spoke the truth

[solar wyvern]

If i dont take imp garro then i dont hVe to even press garrote

!!!

Brilliant ty zeross gonna go time this +2

[dapper cradle]

You guys are like the sadducees and pharisees

[nova kelp]

sadducees?

[sonic schooner]

Hello it s sadducee

[buoyant herald]

Sadducee deez nuts

[nova kelp]

luls

[balmy condor]

Speeds up the opener

Condensed burst

Fancy Buzzword

What am I talking about

I don’t know

[nova kelp]

is 0 a number?

[coral ibex]

wow you are quite the biblical exegete

[balmy condor]

No but for most circumstances yes

[thorn thorn]

+10 PUMPERS ONLY NO GRIEFERS

Meanwhile me and my friends dieing multiple times in 10s cuz we goofing off and still timing them cuz 10s are free as fuck

+10s ARE SERIOUS PUSH KEYS ONLY

[dapper cradle]

Ross is flipping tables in the temple of Ravenholdt

[thorn thorn]

NO NEW PLAYERS

[nova kelp]

me and a guildy did a 10 with the macro a day guys macros

it was amazing

[coral ibex]

zeross is literally the pharisee shilling in the temple

"have you heard of my new build"

[thorn thorn]

We did a +10 in first person last season

It was sob

It was a terrible experience incase you were wondering

[coral ibex]

one macro a day to improve your gameplay

[thorn thorn]

Dont try it

[nova kelp]

OMG holy shit, I was 500 pulls deep on nzoth back in the day, doing that shit in first person out of boredom

like the fuck else was I going to do back then? dps tentacles

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

"garotte ruptu..." it died

[thorn thorn]

We had so many wipes on the 3rd boss cuz we couldnt tell if we were safe in the circles

Very funny

[sonic schooner]

remind me of when we recleared raznal full first person in my guild

[thorn thorn]

first person is a great way to figure out who has any amount of awareness

[nova kelp]

wow in first person, is the real experience

just need graysfordays motion controls too...

[cunning needle]

shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up

[nova kelp]

FINGERS DANCING ON THE KEYS SO FAST

[thorn thorn]

Who is that one macro a day

[dapper cradle]

Add “ross from friends” to your minimal techno playlist

You’ll enjoy it

[nova kelp]

just remember, you asked for this
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uMFfq1fUuk0

[coral ibex]

bro i love ross from friends

way ahead of you

[balmy condor]

There’s a clip of me running the painsmith intermission with my camera facing backwards

[dapper cradle]

I don’t see it in the playlist bro

[thorn thorn]

People who listen to youtubers about wow stuff deserve bricked keys idk

[coral ibex]

brother he was my #2 most listened in 2020

[nova kelp]

mate it's INSANE burst, wdym?

[near valley]

no shot this is real

[nova kelp]

the best bit is the ai gen song for it

[dapper cradle]

Jpeg AND the md/gibbs collab

[thorn thorn]

Its content creator slop

[dapper cradle]

Holy based

[coral ibex]

machinedrum owns

[nova kelp]

hey look, he's got more views than I do lol

[thorn thorn]

Wow youtubers got the worst case of brain worms seen in centuries

[nova kelp]

but.... whispyr makes yt vids..............

[balmy condor]

he's got more subs than me

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr is also here and on wowhead

[dapper cradle]

Sensational taste, tossed you a follow

[coral ibex]

there was a wow youtuber i used to watch like 10 years ago and he started every video with "hello gaming heroes!" and whenever something good happened he said "lovely jubbly"

[nova kelp]

I'm telling you @balmy condor
you just need a catchy ai song

[balmy condor]

this dude is botted though right

[thorn thorn]

Most likely

[dapper cradle]

You guys remember the Mercader intro

[balmy condor]

how do you release videos with 100 views

[dapper cradle]

“Gentleman, assassin”

[balmy condor]

and then the next gets thousands

[dapper cradle]

[coral ibex]

yt shorts algo goes insane

[balmy condor]

these are actual videos though

[nova kelp]

yt shorts DO absolutely go insane

[coral ibex]

he does a lot of short content and then links to full videos

[nova kelp]

even piratesoftware said so

and he's a fountain of relevant knowledge

[coral ibex]

yea did you know he used to work at blizzard

[drifting cloud]

[coral ibex]

been on an old school dnb/jungle/2step kick atm

[balmy condor]

oh it's 4 minutes of him crying about bad pugs

[nova kelp]

if he was in this discord, he'd solve every problem ever
he'd just suddenly type
"wait a minute"
and then we'd get the answer

every time

[mystic crest]

Can we change the caustic spatter icon to a mapleleaf

[coral ibex]

at this sensitive geopolitical junction? i think not

[balmy condor]

maplestory propaganda perhaps

[mystic crest]

Maybe

[dapper cradle]

That’s tight. been in the feels on a midwest emo/math rock trip down memory lane

[balmy condor]

🍁

[coral ibex]

duuuuude math rock brings me back to like 2013 ripping heaters with the boys on the dock

[nova kelp]

math rock takes me back to high school, we had the "cool guy" teacher, he liked math, and slayer

and my god did he love to talk about slayer

everytime I hear "math rock" I think of him

[coral ibex]

oh, check out cornelius if you aren't already familiar. https://open.spotify.com/album/4mZgIoGyI813KAjmv7Dbo1?si=W_wviMs6QLC0_eIjIJgqow

not exactly the same thing but i think maybe a similar vibe

[dapper cradle]

Sick rec I’ll check it out ty

[coral ibex]

[dapper cradle]

Feel like there’s a lot of banger music coming out outta japan

[coral ibex]

o yea

you know fishmans?

[dapper cradle]

I saw Toe live in Toronto a few years back

Yeah Fishmans owns

[coral ibex]

on the same page

[coral ibex]

i saw these guys in portland a few years ago

they rock live

[nova kelp]

man I'm always so jealous to know how much opportunity peeps have to see band and shit

growing up in nz it was like a cold day in hell before you got to see even the most crazy of acts

and even then it was like 500 bucks to see them

[dapper cradle]

“World tour” = america and uk

[nova kelp]

eventually I moved to aus, and NOW I get to see people

[coral ibex]

yea, ive been lucky to live in 2 major hotspots for music

[nova kelp]

but even then, you only get to see the acts AFTER they're huge

[coral ibex]

portland and new york

[nova kelp]

I never get to be that guy "in the know"

y'know

[dapper cradle]

The dream of the 90s is alive in portland

[coral ibex]

check out your local scene

some local band could own

big time

[nova kelp]

it's pretty uncommon when you have OCE breakouts

[coral ibex]

even if they don't, it can be fun to follow a local band that you enjoy

[nova kelp]

even like alien weaponry or shihad kinda floated under the radar for a long time

[coral ibex]

even if they're just mediocre

live music owns

[dapper cradle]

Aus has banger bands too though

[coral ibex]

+50% enjoyment buff

[dapper cradle]

Sticky fingers, ocean alley

[near valley]

the future is now old man

[coral ibex]

the dream of the 90's is dead in portland atp

that's why i left lol

[dapper cradle]

That was actually a banger portlandia reference that no one got

I’m devastated

[cerulean walrus]

Sticky Fingers you say?

[coral ibex]

i got it but i was typing

[near valley]

never seen it

[dapper cradle]

First few seasons are goated

[balmy condor]

[cerulean walrus]

[hallow token]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

Didn't know this was possible

[balmy condor]

yah

just run it from an api worker

those don't have a time limit

[proven pumice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dusk brook]

Bleed build or hybrid for m+?

[balmy condor]

for 99.9% of people, bleed

[dusk brook]

Ah okay cool just out of curiosity. What is the 0.01% reason?

[balmy condor]

they drop aoe for single target

[dusk brook]

ah

[hidden bay]

Think you misspelled worker here, it’s supposed to be slave

[pastel ermine]

Playing bleed on pure st is just pain

You’re basically auto attacking

[balmy condor]

and yet it's more apm than hybrid

[slim copper]

Help me get better? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kj4wThFv7ZDNz3Pr?fight=23&type=damage-done

[pastel ermine]

Is the goal to still stay above 50 energy on st with bleed

[balmy condor]

ye

[cunning needle]

oh thats what im doing wrong

[slim copper]

i feel like CT might be crazy for dps padding on stix idk

[cunning needle]

ecks dee

[pastel ermine]

For the sanguine

[frail dirge]

would assass be fixed if they just gave us an energy gen button that wasn't a 1min cd :(. let us press a filler just so we don't feel like suiciding?

[balmy condor]

well it's 0.2%

[cunning needle]

no wonder im doing 0 boss damage

[balmy condor]

and most people fuck it up cause they're dumbasses, press shiv

and then pool to above 50%

so I don't think it's going to really help much

[cunning needle]

no this is the sole reason i compete wiht the tank for boss damage in ST for keys

[balmy condor]

implying that it's broken

[pastel ermine]

What reason ?

[balmy condor]

what's wrong with not pressing a button every now and then

[pastel ermine]

Or is this sarcasm

[frail dirge]

feels like dogshit

as per everyone

[balmy condor]

you're playing a burst spec, an energy spec no less

[cunning needle]

i h avent been staying above 50% in ST

yes

this is sarcasm

[balmy condor]

and complaining about how you have energy

and don't get to press shit out of burst

you literally signed up for it

[frail dirge]

not bursting =/= not pressing buttons

[cunning needle]

press detection

[thorn thorn]

If you arent bursting you are pooling in some fashion for your next burst

Or preparing for it

So in essence yes you arent pressing buttons

[balmy condor]

so you'd rather press buttons that do no damage, rather than just

simply not pressing buttons?

[frail dirge]

yes

[cunning needle]

honestly why do people hate downtime

[frail dirge]

that's exactly hwat i suggested, yeah

[balmy condor]

we had that

you know what happened

[pastel ermine]

Downtime feels bad

[cunning needle]

its a perfect time to stretch your hands and fingers

[balmy condor]

people bitched that melee sucks and needs to be on boss perma and can't move and wah wah wah

[cunning needle]

nah homie, downtime is great for short microbreaks

[pastel ermine]

I watch YouTube vids with bleed build on st bosses

[balmy condor]

there's like 3 specs in the game that don't perma press buttons atm

if you don't like the playstyle, play something else

39 specs in the game

[pastel ermine]

Going from outlaw to assa is a weird feeling

[frail dirge]

that's not a good argument for not hcanging

thats just u being a bitter weirdo

[slim copper]

thoughts on CT/SD on Stix?

[thorn thorn]

Your arguement is just as terrible

[balmy condor]

your argument is "i want to press button"

how is that better

[frail dirge]

actually made no argument, just put forward would it feel better

[balmy condor]

I'm saying let there be at least some specs in the game that don't perma press buttons

just as like

a little bit of a difference

ain't nothing wrong with specs being somewhat different

[winged sun]

@balmy condor hi, do we press garrote in aoe with dashing for funnel?

[slim copper]

if you wanna move your fingers at Mach FuckYourself go play outlaw?

[frail dirge]

im not against some downtime but I have a feeling that plenty of people feel the downtime on ST assass is egregious

again the fix isn't 0 or 100.

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[cunning needle]

I made no argument but i'm disagreeing with anyone who says my suggestion sucks

🤡

[balmy condor]

you don't press garrote in aoe regardless if you don't need the energy

[winged sun]

ty ty

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-shrug-gif-meme-tiktok-you-burned-my-house-to-the-ground-gif-8697757548478715963

[thorn thorn]

Bro thats crazy he has like 6 chins

[coral ibex]

ikr what a wealthy man

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif

big

[cunning needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061586936533372948/1234765306547802135/rlp.gif

[thorn thorn]

Its always the vdh players that make the best clips

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181688324734320752/1347913156671832145/paladintank.gif

Except this one

[cunning needle]

[wise plume]

god i hated this dungeon with a passion

[thorn thorn]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/wow/comments/1h1btn7/rerolling_to_prot_pally_is_going_well/

[cunning needle]

@half dawn this you?

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206466559672188928/1296588298214703160/Discord_IqX6veKvPV-ezgif.com-optimize.gif

I did have this one happen in a key once

[nova kelp]

this fucking clip ruins me every time

[thorn thorn]

Very funny

I have a crippling addiction to tank fails in keys

Very quality content

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041465700994269255/1324634951785910332/IMG_7534.gif

This is the best clip tho

Cant change my mind

[cunning needle]

hahahhahahaha

[slim copper]

why not CT/SD on raid fights?

[nova kelp]

ALMOST never worth it
CT is arguable on some fights where you can obtain a big snapshot on target count
SD is cringe in raid

[buoyant herald]

CT scales up big time with targets

read the tooltip

[nova kelp]

it was pretty schmick on danger worm last season

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[thorn thorn]

Thank you, I hate this

[slim copper]

i was thinking like on stix

still not worth?

[nova kelp]

it COULD be, depending on how your raid goes

for me in mine, there's almost never a concentration of adds near by the boss

but ct with a decent amount of adds in it does in fact pump

[slim copper]

this is maybe more a fringe question but how many adds would make it worth it to swap?

[buoyant herald]

i mean if you want to pick a number, 5 total targets for max CT value

[slim copper]

apart from that, could yall look at my latest stix clear? I parsed a 92 but there has to be room for improvement

[buoyant herald]

i think if you were trying to parse and your guild was gonna let you ignore balls and bombs and pad on adds then you'd absolutely go CT

[slim copper]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kj4wThFv7ZDNz3Pr?fight=23&type=damage-done

[nova kelp]

the best improvement to get on stix is
don't get picked for a ball run

[slim copper]

i got a ball and slammed that hoe right back into him

😂

[nova kelp]

oh lol heroic, I was super confused there for a sec

[slim copper]

this was a pug

[nova kelp]

"wdym slam that right back into him??????????????????"

lol

[buoyant herald]

yeah slam those balls right back into him

[slim copper]

giggity

[nova kelp]

clap those balls to his forehead

but no honestly, assuming you're just playing spatter there just do your best to single target, spatter as much as you can when there's adds near by

and like

hope that other people around you assist you in this

lol

[buoyant herald]

actually

hope other people DON'T ASSIST on the add killing part

[nova kelp]

that's what I meant by assisting YOU in this

lol

[buoyant herald]

ah

people seem to ignore that when linking rik, stix logs etc

it's not about how you can maximise your damage to adds

it's about having your teammates not always melting them instantly

[nova kelp]

like in my raid I feel like the ww's (there's 2 of them) like absolutely murder every add in all existence like on their way back from unseating a territorial bomb

[buoyant herald]

bruh

[nova kelp]

I'm there stabbin the boss like "OMG LET THEM COME IN PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE"

[buoyant herald]

had my RL call me out on my add damage on rik, meanwhile WWs are holding CJL for every single spawn and doing 10m damage to each of them in 2 seconds channel

the fuck am i meant to do

some guy in here before linked a 100 parse on rik

and his add damage was like 80m more than mine

my team does not let adds live that long lol

which is good of course

[nova kelp]

I always switch to sub on rik
then last week peeps were like "we'll get barrels you go sin"

and in my poor state of mind I didn't listen

then we proceeded to get GOD TIER barrels every time

literally

4 stack on EVERY drop

I was so mad about it

THE spatter fight that could have been

AND we were missing one of the ww's that day

gods, I could have been glorious

[slim copper]

M Vexie O.O

[buoyant herald]

sadge

i had a god pull on our heroic skip clear but my mans wasnt logging 😭

over 4m

[slim copper]

ya and only a 62 😦

gotta start somewhere i guess

not terrible for a half guild half pugged group

i was a pug

[buoyant herald]

62 by ilvl?

[slim copper]

69 by ilvl

62 overall

[buoyant herald]

huh

mines showing as a 92

overall

[unborn peak]

I’m kinda confused about the staying above 150 energy comments, but see most rogues just sending stuff below 150. Is >150 for CDs?

[slim copper]

my brother in christ. Im talking about mine

[buoyant herald]

you did 3.2, i did 3.19

so id expect them to be the samesh

[slim copper]

nah you probably got yours before mine so there werent as many parses

my actual damage was 3.192.799

[buoyant herald]

this is only while playing bleed in keys

[buoyant herald]

oh that'll be it for sure

mine was thursday night

[slim copper]

i SMOKED them though

whats your ilvl?

[buoyant herald]

670

[slim copper]

looks like there were A LOT of parses on Friday.

[buoyant herald]

you did but honestly the rest of that dps is kinda scuffed 😂

[slim copper]

the bikers were a bit scattered and honestly i could have positioned a bit better for damage amp phase.

[buoyant herald]

ah, another one of those "how can i do more damage? get someone else to do something differently" answers lol

[balmy condor]

that's usually how it works tbh

[buoyant herald]

it really is

and yet

[nova kelp]

man, if I topped vexie damage in my raid with 3.2 mill I'd need to send a message to my ww's seeing if they're ok, or if I need to call them an ambulance

my bois probs had a heart attack

[balmy condor]

[slim copper]

i get it lol i wasnt playing with GOOD people. And i'm not the best either lol

[buoyant herald]

rip my mans lost to a literal npc

[nova kelp]

naaaaaaaaaah fuck that, its all about who you enjoy playing with

[slim copper]

it was a pug so lol

[nova kelp]

my wws in raid are just annoyingly giga

I'm not

you see them NOT do a 99 and you should probably do a welfare check

and yet, one of them CONSISTENTLY gets the "2nd monk" comments rofl

[rotund oak]

idk what key we are talking about but if u arent enough means more have to focus them down,there is no magic nor other way to deal with the banners in TOP unless the fat man is about to die,like sub 5% and u take a calculated risk to finish him

[solar wyvern]

Hey can you guys EVasion Wild Wallop in DFC?

I have been to scared to test it

[bronze pike]

i dont wanna do floodgatesanymore..

[unborn wharf]

no you cant

[cunning needle]

you cant cloak it either (dont ask why i thought it'd work)

[balmy condor]

why did you think it would work

[cunning needle]

i said dont ask

but i thought because since evasion didnt work

cloak might

now i just feint the damage and stand in it

[unborn wharf]

start of every season slowly test every circle with evasion and cloak gotta respect it

i mean if the circle is brown it should be evasionable lets be real

[cunning needle]

exactly

[glossy remnant]

is there a lookup sheet for which harmfull spells we should pop cloak/evasion ?

[coral ibex]

https://not-even-close.com

[primal bramble]

Can a couple people around 668-670 ilvl let me know what they are simming on patchwerk? Would love a sim link if you were willing to share so I can compare items ❤️

I just rerolled rogue this week and trying to gauge if my items are unoptimized or sin rogues just sim lower in general compared to some other classes.

[balmy condor]

I think like 2.25

[primal bramble]

Oh wow, so then the below looks pretty normal. Was comparing to my ret which sims very high.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nw49DReiNafe6F63AGBPFD
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8J2MKPQsdv5RgNCVBRwuGf

[balmy condor]

yeh

[primal bramble]

dope, ty

[rotund oak]

I think i like FI more than tea

but ye cant rly drop 2nd shiv nor sbs

was a hard day to realize i have to drop IW once and for all

[stiff geyser]

Noob question. When I'm in ST , if env and CT are both off and Im at max CP and no darkest night, is CT prio or is enven prio

(w/ bleed build in an M+ setting)

[balmy condor]

ct

[stiff geyser]

ty. and in aoe when energy capped is it CT or enven?

CT just maintain right?

[balmy condor]

CT is a dot you maintain, yes

[runic hinge]

who in here told me you could cloak mugzee icecles

[cerulean walrus]

Bro actually did it

[snow hamlet]

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-curious-explaining-have-you-ever-heard-of-trolled-gif-25163776

[subtle tundra]

holy trolled

you just have to use the 1 sec true immunity btw

[cunning needle]

yeah thats how i get around keeping uptime when we were progging mythic

just gott amake sure you still soak it

[runic hinge]

I must have been like 1 second early, i tried to go as late as possible

[cunning needle]

and dont kill someone in your raid

[runic hinge]

like .1

[rotund oak]

imagine not having an iceblock

[amber brook]

Is the DFC skip before candle king a hard skip?

[cerulean walrus]

Certainly get turned into an ice block

[wise plume]

just need a lock

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1361119808577474671.webp?size=96&animated=true

[amber brook]

Is it possible without a lock or mandatory

alot of groups ive been in doesnt have a lock and still insist on skipping

[runic hinge]

You just go up to the right and climb and then jump back towards the stairs

[sharp viper]

just let someone else do it and then shs

[fierce tulip]

u use the BOX

[shy creek]

The most consistent way to do dfc skip is that when you jump onto the stairs, you're usually still holding w

Stop holding w, hit w, jump and stop moving as soon as the jump goes off

You'll land on the ledge perfectly

[jaunty matrix]

or just blink on someone who did it

[hexed frost]

I've hit a roadblock at 14s while pugging and it's frustrating

When I finally get into a group, there's atleast one 650 ilvl 2.1K rating player getting boosted

It's so tiring bros

[quasi pine]

boosting 14s?? what's the point of boosting beyond the 3K mark?

feelsbad anyway

[subtle tundra]

he doesnt mean paid boosting

he means he is bad

so its basically boosting him

[quasi pine]

oh yeah, friends boosting or shit like this

[subtle tundra]

also buying high keys is common

[jaunty matrix]

yeah res keys made that very easy

both for actual boosts

and friends boosting the bad players

[subtle tundra]

14 is a weird level but it does happen

this season title boosting gonna go crazy

easy as fuck to boost

[jaunty matrix]

so is title boosting a common thing or not

[subtle tundra]

it is

[jaunty matrix]

still haven't concluded

if it is

[quasi pine]

worst i've seen in 14 is a 2k8 tank with 660 ilvl, did not go well

[jaunty matrix]

660 ilvl is fine for 14s

the rating tho yeah

chances of them being good are very slim

[subtle tundra]

for the good groups boosting title level keys is easy

[quasi pine]

normally yeah, but you know what it is

it's not your average strongest player

it's the tank pulling 3 mobs by 3

[jaunty matrix]

yeah i stopped bothering after spending a sunday afternoon getting my key from 14 to 11

in cinderbrew

within the first 5 minutes

and even the 11 was not timed

and in 3 of those the break was the tank not pressing a defensive and dying from a melee attack

[quasi pine]

that's why i never use my key without the res -1

[subtle tundra]

woah pushing m+ is wasting time, what a revelation!

[jaunty matrix]

if i had friends that were for it i would do it

but pugging

its not for me

i dont even like m+ tbh, raiding is my thing

[sharp viper]

[quasi pine]

hate raiding, had to switch to m+ bleed build to pass rik with my guild

not fun at all

[subtle tundra]

youre just playing with bots

[jaunty matrix]

i didn't like rik neither

because too many mongols in the guild

so raid lead had to manage dps cds

because the apes wouldn't

[subtle tundra]

you didnt make the correct decision by playing bleed build btw

you just griefed

[jaunty matrix]

and yeah that too

you're supposed to just hit the boss

its not your job to do barrels

if the barrels are not dying its someone else's fault

[subtle tundra]

at best you just get crimson tempest

[quasi pine]

idk, it's either that, or we wouldnt have passed the boss

[subtle tundra]

bleed build didnt help you at all

idk what youre on about

[jaunty matrix]

personally i would rather not pass the boss until the bots learned how to play the fight

if you goal is to push CE

you gonna get stuck in the next boss anyway

if the group cant do the simply things the first bosses require

[quasi pine]

mmh idk if i'm able to do 250k on adds with a normal build + crimson

i'll try that next time

[sharp viper]

[jaunty matrix]

just play the normal build and hit the boss

and caustic any barrels next to it

[subtle tundra]

if you actually cared you would've swapped to sub

[jaunty matrix]

do barrels align with sub cds ?

i played outlaw

ate them for breakfast

[sharp viper]

yeah you can do that

[jaunty matrix]

sub good too then

[subtle tundra]

or that

[jaunty matrix]

but sin in this fight is just boss dmg

[quasi pine]

the real question is, do i care enough to go play sub (answer is no for sure)

[subtle tundra]

you cared enough to completely grief your damage

[sharp viper]

for sin to do add damage you need to for barrels to spawn close to the boss

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-shocked-eyes-unbelievable-gif-15178738

[jaunty matrix]

most barrels always spawn close to boss anyway

most of the time

[balmy condor]

tf did I just read

[quasi pine]

I dont even know myself what i'm typing anyway

[sharp viper]

whispyr about to have an(other) aneurysm

[jaunty matrix]

been there done that last season

[balmy condor]

m+ build in raid

[jaunty matrix]

making questionable decisions with talents on sin

[balmy condor]

the headache this channel gives me is unwavering

[jaunty matrix]

to help the bots in the group to push

and then they would kill the boss anyway and i would have green parses

[balmy condor]

I even made a command about rik barrels

and we still playing m+ talents

I'm trying to literally drown the horse and it would rather suffocate than drink

[quasi pine]

tried to stick to that, but when nobody want to swap barrels to kill them after 10 trys

[balmy condor]

incredible work

[golden loom]

Bleed build doing irreperable damage to rogue brain!

[sharp viper]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

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[quasi pine]

on my way to suffocate out of thin air

[balmy condor]

I found the log

[red schooner]

At least bleed build Rik you can murder mind controlled allies easily

So

It has benefits

[jaunty matrix]

they will die anyway

no matter what

from all the cleave

[balmy condor]

you did 90mil more barrel damage than me, but lost 270mil boss dam

crazy work

[red schooner]

Nah this isn't breaking them out of it, this is killing them outright. Get demised

[quasi pine]

crazy work indeed

[balmy condor]

[red schooner]

Sometimes when you're in a guild that doesn't do mechanics desperate measures have to be taken.

[balmy condor]

W boss dam spec

[red schooner]

It do be that way

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm gonna be honest

bros barrel damage is just fine

[red schooner]

RFWL is a different breed, and I say this as someone in a RFWL guild

[midnight mist]

Whisp

[red schooner]

We're special

[midnight mist]

You saw the latest outlaw bug right

[balmy condor]

I read the pin yeh

[quasi pine]

before that we just wyped 8 times cause of barrels, so idk (pull 1 through 8)

[midnight mist]

I was wondering if it was the same for spatter

Altough might be harder to check

[red schooner]

I take it your classes that could do barrel damage were slacking like fuck then

[wooden timber]

do ppl usually stream rfwl

[midnight mist]

Since it's not a hard cap

[balmy condor]

I am almost certain it is not the same

[red schooner]

Sometimes, dunno depends on the guild

But it's a clown show

[midnight mist]

its the same for nimble flurry for sub but

[jaunty matrix]

spatter was even upgraded to work around the rogue too and not only on the target

[wooden timber]

oh i meant with like a little tracker to the side and multiple guild povs like rwf

[red schooner]

Last season we had four fucking eleshams in one raid

[jaunty matrix]

outlaw forgotten

[wooden timber]

or does no one do that

[midnight mist]

i guess these are like

[jaunty matrix]

sin promoted

[red schooner]

Four

[midnight mist]

the same ability

[bronze pike]

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i think

im done with keys this week

fuck floodgate

i hope dinars never comes for m+ players

[balmy condor]

idk if they copy pasted bf for caustic

but I didn't think they did

[red schooner]

Don't think so unfortunately, though closer to the end of the season the raid leader exchange discord has a RFWL channel where people post streams

But no official tracker

[wooden timber]

[spring stream]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[jaunty matrix]

Swap to Subtletly

why not outlaw

[red schooner]

Because we don't encourage self harm in this discord

[serene mason]

Because people usually swap around sin and sub

[jaunty matrix]

lies

[serene mason]

Whispyr are you at gallywix Progress yet?

[balmy condor]

sub does more barrel damage

[wooden timber]

daggers and also sub profile goes crazy in that fight

[balmy condor]

nope we're getting hard farmed by bandit

we suck ass

really bad

[serene mason]

We did also this tier...

[balmy condor]

sprocket was 173 pulls

[red schooner]

I have night two of sprocket prog tonight oh boy

[balmy condor]

it's looking

not good

[midnight mist]

Ye idk I just thought it might affect similar effects

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's possible

[serene mason]

I mean you have double monk... I had to sit on sub for the premium fiery adds

[sharp viper]

is the fight fun at least? do you ever swap off boss or just caustic spatter and ignore anything but boss

[jaunty matrix]

caustic

[balmy condor]

it's chaos idk

[jaunty matrix]

you never swap from boss

[balmy condor]

I've been rupture sniping stuff

[serene mason]

You do rupture on the assistants

Yes

[balmy condor]

but it's all caustic otherwise

[jaunty matrix]

my guild is on styx currently

aiming for kill today

[balmy condor]

fight would be much easier if our ranged did any damage

half our wipes are just to the far assistant not dying

which is diabolical

[subtle tundra]

holy moly bosses where you cant get carried by WAs hard farm people wtf

[jaunty matrix]

yeah

[serene mason]

Do they have evokers?

Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

we have 1 dev

[jaunty matrix]

its actually insane how obsessed this playerbase is with was playing the game for them

[serene mason]

No birbs guild

[jaunty matrix]

[serene mason]

Is he playing SC or FS?

[jaunty matrix]

[balmy condor]

sc looks like

[serene mason]

Okay good

Btw

[balmy condor]

correct

the name of your emote