assassination

[winged sun]

In m+

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't say probably

[clever sparrow]

rolled to assa

[balmy condor]

it is

[clever sparrow]

today!

[balmy condor]

100% a skill issue

[clever sparrow]

im doing my things right 😭

even my sim is 2mil

with raid buffs

wtf

😭

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dspvF264axRjAYqYraxpSZ

[balmy condor]

then you're not doing your things right mate

[clever sparrow]

wait maybe wrong talent

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

that's correct

kinda

[keen spruce]

but if you're doin 1.5m and your sim says 2m

[balmy condor]

that's wrong

[keen spruce]

then you're not doin stuff right

[balmy condor]

but whatever

yeh

if you're simming 2 and then doing vexie

a fight with a damage amp

and adds

and hitting 1.5

it's not anything in game

it's keyboard error

which is you

[keen spruce]

yes buy a new keyboard

[cedar lichen]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

[clever sparrow]

but it have raidbuffs

[hollow river]

I’m 7k io and it’s all thanks to the bleed build

[clever sparrow]

im trying dummy

[hollow river]

True !

[hexed root]

dumb question, is there a picture of how caustic spatter goes out?

[balmy condor]

oh well then why didn't you sim target dummy

?

[balmy condor]

pins

that's what the target dummy sim is there for simming full raid setup and then hitting a dummy obviously makes no sense

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tWeN8d1fbWQfg8GmdzyQkt

[clever sparrow]

but how do ppl

do 3mil

i see in logs

[shut granite]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

raid buffs and damage amps

and lust

[balmy condor]

they aren't hitting dummies

[keen spruce]

and adds

[balmy condor]

[clever sparrow]

MY DMG IS LOWER IN RAID THAN DUMMY FIGHTS!

[balmy condor]

yeah okay

so skill issue?

[gloomy heart]

i just hit a training dummy for 7 hrs

[balmy condor]

we're going in circles here

[keen spruce]

THEN YOU ARE PRESSING WRONG BUTTONS

[clever sparrow]

DOES ASSA EVEN NEED SKILL!?

[balmy condor]

apparently since you're fucking it up

[clever sparrow]

THERE IS LITERALY 7 BUTTON!

WITH 2 MIN CDS!

[balmy condor]

aight link a fucking log

I cba anymore

[keen spruce]

AND YET

U DO STINKY DAMAGE

[clever sparrow]

no log on raid

[keen spruce]

SO CLEARLY SOMETHING IS AMISS

[clever sparrow]

only dungeon

[balmy condor]

brother

[clever sparrow]

i want good numbers as my first raid tho

😄

[fallow canopy]

Are we getting baited on a friday night

[clever sparrow]

have to make my RL proud

thats why im practicing on dummy

[keen spruce]

yellow names

[clever sparrow]

but look at this chineese guy

[drifting cloud]

non sub talkers!

[clever sparrow]

i can see this number on packs

[drifting cloud]

[clever sparrow]

not bosses

[balmy condor]

do you realize

how much garbage

there is on stix

[fallow canopy]

Pun intended?

[clever sparrow]

HMMM

make sense

[balmy condor]

like what are we doing here

[clever sparrow]

let me find something even more ST

[balmy condor]

sprocket then

only fight that's st

everything else has adds

[clever sparrow]

yeah

[balmy condor]

I like the "even more"

[clever sparrow]

and it make sense tbh

[balmy condor]

when stix is literally

the most AOE

[clever sparrow]

2,6

[balmy condor]

in the raid

[clever sparrow]

i can do 2,2 / 2,4

[balmy condor]

yeah

that sounds reasonable

[clever sparrow]

so its normal

gotcha

[balmy condor]

now we're getting somewhere

[clever sparrow]

😄

[balmy condor]

so then what the fuck is the issue

[clever sparrow]

btw how do we spread dmg on summoning mobs?

[balmy condor]

caustic

[runic hinge]

Who is this blue name

[clever sparrow]

so i shouldnt do anything?

[balmy condor]

our aoe in raids is caustic

[clever sparrow]

so it do aoe basicly by doing nothing

[balmy condor]

and you can rupture a mob or two for energy I guess

yes

it's like outlaw but green and red

and half the apm

[hexed root]

i feel like the second i start tab targeting my dmg taaaankkkkssss harrdddd

[drifting cloud]

whispyr I have a question, you sure you guys are doing 5 waves intead of 6 on bandit?

[balmy condor]

then stop doing that I guess

[balmy condor]

if we could stop fucking dying, maybe

idk

didn't run the math

[clever sparrow]

ookay

i will try

[drifting cloud]

I looked at like some pulls at 3min you were almost 10% behind

[clever sparrow]

i learnet something

i guess

time to go for a 100 log

on first try

and make my GM + RL proud

[hexed root]

i wish my raid leader let me play sin on bandit 😦 they swapped me for a sub rogue

[clever sparrow]

😦

[balmy condor]

where should we be at like 2:15

[clever sparrow]

one weird question

[drifting cloud]

low 60s ?

[clever sparrow]

should i cast FoK when i get proc?

even on ST?

[Clear the Witnesses]

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[drifting cloud]

maybe 65 is still good enough

[fallow canopy]

Uhm we had boss at 67.5% at 2:15 on our kill

[drifting cloud]

yes but you didnt do 5 waves did you

[fallow canopy]

Are you guys doing the faster strat or old strat

[balmy condor]

we're trying faster

[fallow canopy]

Ye nvm

[balmy condor]

cause adds don't die

[fallow canopy]

Assistants?

[balmy condor]

no

the fixates

[fallow canopy]

Oh

[balmy condor]

the idea was that the fixates are so aids we're not seeing further into the fight cause they legit run across the entire room without dying

[fallow canopy]

That is fucked

Tough comp?

[balmy condor]

what about like 3-3:15ish

or just dm me a log of a min-clear fast strat or whatever

i don't wanna burden I can do math myself

[wise plover]

time to go sub

[drifting cloud]

just seems kinda hard to execute especially on prog

4 heal fast mugzee seemed easier

[hidden bay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fd4CZxRa7GYgKvkj?fight=59&type=damage-done

[clever sparrow]

any weak aura to give me a noise for clear the witnesses proc?

[balmy condor]

thanks

[wise plover]

shouldnt double ww destroy the fixate adds tho kinda surprising

[fallow canopy]

haven't seen a fdk in so long

[hidden bay]

Didn’t even know he played frost

[hexed root]

two rogues?!

[rare swift]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fluid timber]

do i bother to not accidentally use a charge of tea with falling below 30 energy? so i have tea ready for cooldowns?

[balmy condor]

no

you'll have it ready for cooldowns regardless

[fluid timber]

thanks

[gloomy heart]

im going maghar nelf is boringme

[runic hinge]

lame

maghar cant flip

[gloomy heart]

maghar is for gigachads

[runic hinge]

1% chasers

[gloomy heart]

nelf bored me

[blazing pumice]

it's a you problem

[gloomy heart]

no

[copper depot]

hello guys , stats for blood build ?

[gloomy heart]

bleed? and crit mast still

[timid marsh]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[blazing pumice]

haste/mastery may be better

sim

[keen tundra]

How does haste work on assa/sub rogue? does it make rupture tick faster? globals faster or is it just what it says in the description

"attack speed and energy"

[hidden crown]

Which one?

[hidden crown]

yes

[balmy condor]

bleeds tick faster yes

[balmy condor]

the ones that sim higher

[hidden crown]

thank you

[balmy condor]

idk probably the equipped ones

[hidden crown]

saw Blastmaster3000 oc C tier so I thought it was shit

[balmy condor]

yeh

dunno if anyone has actually seriously used it

[hidden crown]

such a waste of a map 😔

also which is the fastest delve for us rogues

[balmy condor]

dunno I used to just do fungal folly

[hidden crown]

I was surtain it was abyss :<

[balmy condor]

idk maybe

[hidden crown]

cuz its the closest to you?

[balmy condor]

less annoying fights I guess

fishing fun

[grim jay]

Whispyr just likes shrooms

Dont let him gaslight you

On a serious note, there recently was an article on wowhead for the delve weekly, there were the two fastest delves mentioned

[keen tundra]

also one question, evasion redues magic damage taken by 20% w bait and switch, anmd then w elusivness its 20%

so does it add to 40? or is it multiplicative 30%

[balmy condor]

multiplicative yes

36%

[keen tundra]

and for higher keys, around 14+ is the go to cheat death or elusiveness? im thinking it might be elusiveness probs helps alot w the dot from cinderbrew first boss etc

[grim jay]

Elusiveness

Its basically a must

[balmy condor]

you go elusiveness past 12

yeah

would be very troll not to

[keen tundra]

yeah makes sense

i stg feint used 2 be on global ust of gotten removed

[balmy condor]

that was changed in early season 1

[iron vapor]

Yeah feint got removed from GCD ages ago, early season 1

[grim jay]

Ages ago

[iron vapor]

It's nearly a year.

I mean, I could go way back and talk about how it used to reduce threat

[dreamy rover]

can i press anything prepull in M+?

[balmy condor]

slice and dice I guess

[dreamy rover]

yhea so not pressing anything is the right move lol

besides maybe tempered pot if the pull is pretty much instant after start

[balmy condor]

he raids in gn mate

[dreamy rover]

yo im so braindead

insane

[balmy condor]

you don't gotta keep pinging people with knobhead questions

[dreamy rover]

you got a point there man

[balmy condor]

(that's half joke half warning)

[dreamy rover]

even deleted the ping

[dense shadow]

so i decided to grab whispyrs weakaura pack

is this green circle thing meant to be here and if so whats does it do ?

[balmy condor]

that is......

idk what that is

[dense shadow]

lol awesome

[balmy condor]

it doesn't even look like a weakaura

[dreamy rover]

does anyone have any tips on making shadowmeld restealths more consistant?

besides a basic /cast Shadowmeld /cast Stealth macro

[balmy condor]

praying to whatever deity you believe in

[dreamy rover]

maybe distance myself from mobs? i really dont know, but just seems very hit or miss with meld

[dense shadow]

its aparently part of this one but im new to weak aurasso im not sure

[balmy condor]

I assure you it is not

[dense shadow]

you can kinda see the lock

well if i turn it off it goes away lol

[balmy condor]

if you turn off the pack?

[dense shadow]

yeah

[balmy condor]

[lyric vale]

Huhuh

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/JRQLAFNnGBXb6wkf/49-Normal+Chrome+King+Gallywix+-+Kill+(6:48)/Shikidust/standard/overview

[balmy condor]

I don't believe you

I've never seen anyone have anything like that

[dense shadow]

lmao

[lyric vale]

Ffs im doing fine and damage number is low

[dense shadow]

well its the opnmly wa i have

[balmy condor]

????????

and the green thing

that says new

and looks like your green thing

[dense shadow]

oh

[balmy condor]

didn't cross your mind

[dense shadow]

like i said im new to WA and only added that 1 , not sure how that got there

[balmy condor]

yeh idk

[dense shadow]

thanks anyway

[balmy condor]

np

[lavish wing]

lol SD in Timewalking

[dreamy rover]

its really not mantained, assassination's wowanalyzer got updated 4 times during the entirety of 2024 and 2025

So its completely inaccurate

Just manually compare your logs with top logs

[lyric vale]

Got ya oki oki lemme put my 🕶️ on

[balmy condor]

why are you pressing magnet so damn much

shits crazy

[dreamy rover]

you can also drop your logs in here and someone might judge your mistakes

[balmy condor]

bro's just out here straight succin metal

[dreamy rover]

succin metal

[lyric vale]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[balmy condor]

various metallic ores n shit

[lyric vale]

Im dying 😂

I have no idea how shit works i just see it off cd and send it

[dreamy rover]

dude is cleaning up iron dust at this point

[dreamy rover]

you need to only send magnet after DEATHMARK expires

when you have the LINGERING DARKNESS DEBUFF

[balmy condor]

big all caps

[lyric vale]

Ahhhhhhh

Fr?

Damn

[balmy condor]

magnet does damage based on stacks

it stacks up

then you cast it

and it burns the stacks for damage

you're basically getting to like 5/30 stacks

burning it

[dreamy rover]

its called emphasis 💁‍♂️

[balmy condor]

getting to 5/30

burning it

[lyric vale]

Yeah i was doing it on 5

[balmy condor]

yeh so you're just

[lyric vale]

Wasting it

[balmy condor]

yeh

[lyric vale]

Oki found one problem

[balmy condor]

oh dear god

I'm sorry I looked

[lyric vale]

🌚

[dreamy rover]

hurts my soul 💔

[lyric vale]

Guild made me do it

[balmy condor]

-60 gilded crests

down the drain

or is it 45

I don't remember

[dreamy rover]

60

[lyric vale]

60

[dreamy rover]

kek

[balmy condor]

yikes

[dreamy rover]

breaks my heart 💔

[lyric vale]

I was telling them that this will not change anything its just waste

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean offhand dagger does not count for ability damage

[lyric vale]

They said nooo i said it will not they said noo and the rest is histoy

[balmy condor]

so it's just

legit a waist

a waste even

a wasted waist

[dreamy rover]

lol

should've waisted those crests huh

but you wasted em

[balmy condor]

go ahead and screenshot me saying your guild leader's a real poop head for that one

(derogatory)

don't make people craft shit if you don't know how game works

gg

anyways

the log

[dreamy rover]

(mean connotation) (i am being bad)

[balmy condor]

what's goin on here

bit strange on that one

[lyric vale]

Adds came i paniced

[balmy condor]

okay, so that's an easy fix

1. magnet
2. stop panicking

[dreamy rover]

good luck @lyric vale i also got publicly humiliated but at least i learned and am playing much better

[lyric vale]

Yeahh ofc i want to get humiliated for bigger damage

[balmy condor]

3. your second shiv is later than my bed time

[lyric vale]

Got ya so we go and get peacmaker so we dont fight with magnet and stop panicking

[balmy condor]

(it's 2s late)

[dreamy rover]

yhea its much better to get your stinky logs aired out than to live with bad dps sadness

[balmy condor]

uhhhh

toss this one into the "all of the above"

[dreamy rover]

pacemaker would be much easier and probably even better to play so thats a good idea

-1 button to press and think about is such a DPS gain for me

[lyric vale]

Its me?
What the f i waste 4s of shiv

[balmy condor]

and then yeah idk giga fucked idk

[dreamy rover]

this one is crazy

[lyric vale]

Its like cheery on top

[balmy condor]

well in that image it's actually fine cause you exported your kingsbane to china

[dreamy rover]

whispyr send him what timeline should look like

[balmy condor]

it's not even on the same continent

[dreamy rover]

yhea that usually warrants a -50% damage tariff

sorry dude'

get taxed i guess

[lyric vale]

Yesh

[dreamy rover]

so shiki all you need to do

[balmy condor]

8s shiv

[dreamy rover]

is this! BOOM

[balmy condor]

the way god intended

[lyric vale]

Ahh

[lyric vale]

This is what im trying to do but in boss fight

But idk how i manage to mess it up

[balmy condor]

lets see what else I can dig up, what other skeletons might you be hiding

any ex-wives?

[lyric vale]

Well in that matter

I came back from playing retri

What u expect me im a bit brainrotted

[dreamy rover]

you 1st apply deathstalker's mark (just cast ambush as 1st skill on every pull) > apply garrote > rupture > mutilate for combo point > envenom (you want to start cooldowns with envenom buff) > deathmark (macro it with trinket) > shiv (macro it with thistle tea) > kingsbane > spam envenom > send another shiv when the 1st shiv is about to run out

thats all you need to do

get text-walled i guess

[balmy condor]

rest of this actually looks kinda normal but you were sitting on quite a bit of energy for the last 2 min of the fight

never dropped below 100

that's a weird one but not necessarily bad

rest looks kinda fine

[dreamy rover]

saving thistle for burst

smart dude

[lyric vale]

Yeah only thing ig i manage

[balmy condor]

he was sarcastic, we don't hold teas

[dreamy rover]

(im not even sure its a gain)

[lyric vale]

Wahhtt

Fr?

Oh my

[dreamy rover]

(i've never seen people hold thistle tea)

[balmy condor]

yeh tea is just macro'd

[lyric vale]

Its macro to my shive

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

yeh

perfect

[lyric vale]

This one

[balmy condor]

so then no tea holding

you just slam slam slam

[dreamy rover]

i know its really bad gameplay and no one should even be thinking about that, but theoretically would holding 2 teas for your DM KB window be a dps gain?

[lyric vale]

And we do dry shive for dry night between firsr burst windows to next kingsbane?

[dreamy rover]

or is the energy waste not worth it

[balmy condor]

every time it lines up yes

[balmy condor]

no

[dreamy rover]

thank god

[balmy condor]

if it were a dps gain I wouldn't be telling people to macro it

also dude how much fucking gold did you make off this kill

that's an insane amount of carries

[dreamy rover]

[lyric vale]

Im trying to do this idk why i manage to f it up

[lyric vale]

Well we are working 😂

[balmy condor]

all the people in that screenshot account for 2mil dps

[dreamy rover]

imagine i fwhispyr changed his name to "whispyr of putting the fries in the bag"

sorry

im insane

[balmy condor]

you did more dps

than the bottom 60% of the raid

combined

what is this log

is this what normal is always like

this is hell on earth

[lyric vale]

Dont go in depth whispyr

Dont😂

[drifting cloud]

its probably still better than people who made 675 cloaks or wrists right? and theres alot of those

[balmy condor]

wait that hunter has 99% activity

what the hell is he doing

[lyric vale]

He is assigned to do a lot of stuff

[balmy condor]

oh nvm it's cause the special weapon

so it's just perma ticking

he died

[lyric vale]

I will send u more logs feel like ur having fun 😂

[balmy condor]

I am not

this is like a cleanse

a cleanse for my eyes

with bleach

[lyric vale]

XD

[balmy condor]

no germs remain

my eyes are silky smooth

[lyric vale]

Good shit then

Soo i got problem with using shive and pressing kingsbane to late after deathmark saving to much energy

[balmy condor]

snoop dogg has a new song that's wild

with tom petty?

that wasn't on my bingo card

[flint snow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lavish wing]

that cant be that new then

[balmy condor]

okay well I watched the first minute and he was told he was gonna die if he kept smoking weed cause it's fucking his lungs

and then he immediately lit a joint

and he posted it on 4/20

cinema

[lyric vale]

Now that im checking

Im doing all of the mistakes on everyfight

[balmy condor]

I can't tell if he's serious about quitting or if this is an elaborate 4/20 shitpost

[dawn seal]

my hc mugzee casual raid run

prog

[balmy condor]

intriguing

[dawn seal]

so I was pumoing 5m dps then it drops so much idk why

is that normal

[lavish wing]

well unless u have DM that lasts for 5 mins then yes 😄

[balmy condor]

doing burst damage in cooldowns and then not doing burst damage out of cooldowns is normal yes

wouldn't really be much of a burst

if it was always up

that's just outlaw

[lyric vale]

Im flaming my guild leader for crafting push he did on me hehehehehe

Ty whisper im having fun

[balmy condor]

[wide gorge]

hello everyone how do you access this timeline on warcraflogs? i cannot find it...

[balmy condor]

casts->timeline

[hard flicker]

in big pulls, how do you guys keep track of your deathmark target? i got it shown on the plater but sometimes its so hectic to target it back. to avoid this I just spread my bleeds from main target but i suppose that loses me some dps

like do people use focus target or something?

[balmy condor]

mouseover bleeds generally

but the dps loss ain't really all that much so you're fine to just sit on your target it's kinda whatever

[sharp viper]

a question for the people who already progressed sprocketmonger, is double shadowstep talent from fatebound usable against the pushback or somewhere else in the fight?

[iron vapor]

No.

[keen tundra]

Seems like most rogues are just sticking to kingsbane build, is the basic rundown , poison better in higher, bleed better in lower ? Kingsbane is just so lame now

[balmy condor]

hybrid is purely for boss damage

so unless you're doing like 18's

probably pointless

[keen tundra]

Yeah I definitely feel the overall is way better as bleed build

Just feels wierd cuz when I check top runs it's all kingsbane but tbf I'm doing 14s these guys r doing 17-18s

[iron vapor]

Wait hold on, why would crafted bracers/cloak be bad?

[balmy condor]

and this is why looking at top runs is stupid

[iron vapor]

675 with my choice of stats is better than 668 without surely?

Or 665? I can't remember what hero track caps out at

[keen tundra]

I saw in your video you mentioned staying above 50% energy is good as bleed , does the same rule apply in st? To just stay above 50 and sacrifice envenoms etc

[spice surge]

Yes its mostly talking about st

[keen tundra]

tyvm

[grand trail]

damn im thinking of getting rid of elvui finally

do anyone using quazii UI for example which run w/o elvui now?

[balmy condor]

I just deleted elvui start of dragonflight and then moved shit around and called it a day

[grand trail]

its big step

so use to it

[bronze pike]

Whispyr

A person posted a 10 ability cast sequence for ret macro

Where is that for sin?

Hiding it so the masses can’t be leet snd good

[balmy condor]

[harsh ravine]

hi, how does AP war buff work with assa ? it only boosts our physical damages ? is there some kind of AP ratio on something else ?

[obsidian walrus]

Someone in the key I was in was reccomending I play a higher prio damage build in a 14 DFC instead of bleed

[lethal wadi]

Guys does anyone noticed envenom buff dispearing in middle of boss fight?

Like i have 2 charges with 6 sec duration

[balmy condor]

not in 14's

[balmy condor]

happens sometimes, ttk is weird

[lethal wadi]

Sadge

[obsidian walrus]

What do we think is the tipping point. Would hybrid be the ideal prio build

[balmy condor]

hybrid and bleed baseline do basically the same

tipping point for playing like forced induction/ttk and going giga st

is like 17's

MAYBE

[lethal wadi]

But i lost double charges, not even goes to 1 stack, im getting from two to zero and i sometimes envenoms after that still missing

[balmy condor]

yes

welcome to ttk bugs

[lethal wadi]

Like its getting parry or smt like that but its not parry

holy moly

wtf

thx whysper

[obsidian walrus]

Perfect. This is very helpful

Ty

[balmy condor]

basically the reason to take FI would be "the boss is actually alive for so long it's not possible to survive the fight"

and not just "kekw play top archon build must be more dam that's why I see it on archon xdxd" from whatever dumbfuck in your rando pugs

[obsidian walrus]

I was trying to figure out where his info was coming from. I held onto playing sub for a bit too long but at least in low keys deleting the bosses is very satisfying

[balmy condor]

guaranteed just opening murlok.io or archon

and just copy pasting the top build

and going YOU ARE NOT PLAYING THIS SECRET HIDDEN TOP KEY BUILD

[obsidian walrus]

Lol

[balmy condor]

that's 99% of the times this convo happens

[subtle tundra]

why are you arguing for forced induction

[balmy condor]

I'm not really arguing for it

[subtle tundra]

youre justifying it

[balmy condor]

I'm just saying that's why you would do it

yes

I don't think people should play it

but I do see the vision

as flawed as I think it is

[subtle tundra]

surely theres some other changes you can make for more ST

and lose less aoe

[balmy condor]

probably

[royal lantern]

if you wanna know weird stuff

did the new event thingy they gave us, and on the Boss it just randomly removed garrote and rupture every couple seconds

[celest crescent]

at what point did you replace, or plan to replace the circlet?

[royal lantern]

when other stuff sims higher

[balmy condor]

max myth of the turbo boost if your stats manage to squeeze it in

or realistically, 11.2

[celest crescent]

I see, thanks!

[subtle tundra]

whispyr dont forget to update the +17 to +19 recommendation once we get the increased ilvl and new enchant

[balmy condor]

I'm going to be digging up random 3 words that are wrong because of this shit

for years

W guide

[subtle tundra]

i think youre just

[keen tundra]

so let me get this straight, in st as bleed build in m+ its better to stay above 50% energy then to mash enevenoms/spend cps for darkest night envenoms

[subtle tundra]

if you dont have darkest night, you want to keep crimsto tempest

[keen tundra]

nono i mean the value of sanguine blades is better then getting as many darkest night procs as possible

from what ive read

[subtle tundra]

thats not how staying above 50% energy works out

but yeah stay above 50% energy

but dont when youre in shiv

or Deathmark

just you your energy when youre in cooldowns

[royal lantern]

im bellow 20% irl all the time

help

[keen tundra]

oh yeah true actualy u right if u dont overcap ig ur not rlly losing anything

[subtle tundra]

i slept 11 hours bro im tired as hit

[rotund oak]

11 hours and tired?

[subtle tundra]

i cant even type properly

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

yes too much sleep is not good

will get better after gym

[radiant raven]

Sleep is so bullshit

Too much? feel bad. Not enough? feel bad

Just right? feel bad

[subtle tundra]

i do have a long day ahead so its gonna be fine

[rotund oak]

Do they call it ''long day ahead'' now?

[subtle tundra]

yeah wd

[rotund oak]

woke up at 6:05 walked/runned for about 45min,came back home,showered,went to work

came back,cooked and now im digesting my pasta

(waiting for the energy drink to freeze so i can enjoy it)

(speaking of a long day 😉 )

[subtle tundra]

what

energy drink to freeze?

explain yourself

[rotund oak]

yes i cant drink it warm

[subtle tundra]

why is it warm

not... room temperature

[keen tundra]

white monster. the best energy drink

[rotund oak]

coz i didnt think when i bought it from the store i came from

[subtle tundra]

whispyrs alt?

[rotund oak]

stupid move

[subtle tundra]

well im getting DRUNK tonight

[rotund oak]

plz no

u dont need alchohol

[subtle tundra]

its birthday party im not allowed to not drink

its illegal

in romania

[little tulip]

alcohol bad

[rotund oak]

too much is bad

[little tulip]

also that one trick to make carbonated drinks into slushies

shake shake shake

[rotund oak]

if u dont drive drink but not until u get boned

[subtle tundra]

also theres's barca - real tonight its gonna be drinking

[rotund oak]

true

there is football

[subtle tundra]

i sleepover

[rotund oak]

most likely someone will take advantage of u

[subtle tundra]

yeah the boys touch my ass all the time all good

[balmy condor]

My nickname in highschool

[grand trail]

the LE wa pack is cool but it have so many tech in that i make confusing for me 😄

[manic quartz]

lmao paid 10k for our druid to not press starfall in M Vex, was worth it 😄

[tall atlas]

pls blizz let me keep it 😦

[tall atlas]

just came home with a 12pk from costco

[willow hill]

does assassination have DoT snapshotting like feral druid?

[subtle tundra]

blessed

[manic quartz]

imp garrote

[royal lantern]

imp. garrote

outside of that, no

[willow hill]

but that wouldn't the same thing unless you refresh it, am i wrong?

as in, it's not really snapshotting in the same way as feral where you have to reapply your dots during cooldowns

near the end of their duration, then they'd mantain the damage even when your cooldowns are down

[subtle tundra]

improved garrote means the garrote from stealth does more damage even after stealth

so you wait for it to expire before you cast a normal one

[willow hill]

ah, and that's it then, nothing to do with cds?

that's a relief

[subtle tundra]

yes nothin

the only instance of snapshot recently was removed after a patch

its unintuitive and exploitable

so they dont like it

[onyx coyote]

When using subterfuge every garrotte during it counts as empowered right?

[subtle tundra]

yes

it extends stealth effects

[onyx coyote]

I thought so but realized i never confirmed it

[tawdry root]

are people doing bleed build in ToP above +12?

[blazing pumice]

yes

12s aren't hard

just play bleed

don't think too much about it

[royal lantern]

zeross summed it up really good yesterday

there are like, a double digit amount of people where bleed is probably not the best choice

everyone else should just not care

(fuck, he made me agree)

[viscid spear]

I think they meant ToP in general since there are only a handful of largish pulls there, like the ghost hallway. Unless you have a super ballsy tank and they pull the whole first room of the construct side.

[blazing pumice]

what would the secret build be

half of the bosses are aoe

hybrid build does less st

[willow hill]

i'm fairly new to ass, do u mind explaining what he meant?

[tawdry root]

ok yeah that's what i thought, i tried hybrid for the "better ST" but it felt much worse than bleed lol even in a 13

[tawdry root]

We're talking about a talent build for M+ where you focus on bleeds and don't take kingsbane

[royal lantern]

outside of a handfull of people that have VERY specific circumstances, bleed is probably always the best option

[small cairn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[willow hill]

thanks amigo

[jolly heath]

In some specific situations like the last boss of rookery in 17+, I feel like bleed build weight is too heavy to get carried there

[crystal nymph]

how much haste requires for bleed build on m+?

[normal mist]

between 0 and whatever the sim tells you

[crystal nymph]

stat weights ?

[normal mist]

Pure shit

[crystal nymph]

and what is the sim options st ?

[normal mist]

patchwerk

[crystal nymph]

patchwerk 1 target or?

[normal mist]

ST - Patchwerk
M+ - Dungeonslice

[crystal nymph]

dgslice is good?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[crystal nymph]

ty

[crystal nymph]

🙂

[normal mist]

Might not be true for other classes, but our Rogue TC's do an amazing job with raidbot sims

[lethal lynx]

pls blizz buff sin st

[devout jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-sad-monkey-sad-edit-monkey-edit-üzgün-maymun-gif-15640172319982461811

[strong flame]

anyone got a neat energy bar addon/weakaura that has a 150 energy indicator? :p

[normal mist]

we have good st

[woeful lantern]

Is there any "cap" for mastery?

[red schooner]

Nah

[normal mist]

No

[lethal lynx]

do we

[normal mist]

Yes

[lethal lynx]

I only play m+ and it's awful

[red schooner]

okay ye in m+ its bad

raids its good

[normal mist]

In m+ you either do good AoE or Okay ST

you can't be good at everything

[lethal lynx]

I wouldn't say it's okay st

then you have classes like lock that do good aoe and good st

or ret

[normal mist]

I've seen our big boys overalls in high keys

4M+ its really good aint it?

[nova aspen]

id put sin in the top 6 specs

for keys

cant complain

would u rather be aug

[normal mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1365451677360193596/image.png?ex=680e0438&is=680cb2b8&hm=5f0a490597b3a091587b6dea885f4137807700050978ff7420d5f873c2a82d55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless Zeross doing big dam p.e

[nova aspen]

ye u could play arms and just be used for attack power

[lethal lynx]

I mean yeah we do good overall but it just feels like shit on ST only fights

hey I like Arms

[normal mist]

M+ is mostly AoE tho

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1365440929606926451/image.png?ex=680dfa36&is=680ca8b6&hm=58b40d15390f3218ca28566cdb336b8e9019cabf1d6224c12ae03990ff6193d3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=879&height=960 Again, Zeross doing stuff

@winged sun Thanks for the overalls btw, promoting your name rn

[nova aspen]

u wont like it when he says he was hybrid that key

[nova aspen]

[winged sun]

[lethal lynx]

just make caustic spatter do something to the target if there's no nearby targets

[normal mist]

It's whatever what he's using, the topic was "we need ST buffs"

[sudden brook]

Assa just needs anothe 20% buff I think

It has weaknesses which is unfair

[normal mist]

xD

[lethal lynx]

yeah agreed

[normal mist]

I'm really fine at shinning at some things, and being "bad" at others

[nova aspen]

feint good button

might be best defensive in the game

[sudden brook]

No thats woke liberal shit

I need to be the best ST, aoe, Cleave, burst, sustained damage, and laos the tankiest

It's only fair

[lethal lynx]

I mean I agree conceptually but there's specs that have been allowed to be good at everything for years

but that's a tangent

[winged sun]

That sounds like dk to me

[nova aspen]

true

they just have to sit in a wheelchair

only downside

[normal mist]

Random fact but I've been playing SoD for the past week

And man oh man, WALKING EVERYWHERE

Is actually pretty chilling

[wet spire]

[nova aspen]

classic wow is comfy

best open world

[normal mist]

I've never respected a 60% lvl40 mount as much as i have this past few days

[dull dew]

is there a current bug or anything that makes stacks of deathstalker's mark not get consumed by a finishing move? like i apply the mark, use a rupture or an envenom, and i just stay chilling at 3 marks?

[normal mist]

do you have DN up?

[dull dew]

single target situation, regular degular opener

[sudden brook]

its cuz u have DN up

[dull dew]

ahhhhhhhhhhh of course

[normal mist]

Dn must be consumed before you can start spending the marks

[dull dew]

i noticed sometimes it going down and other times not

that's totally it, ty

[normal mist]

Important, finish at 5+ everytime UNLESS you have DN up, which requires 7

[nova aspen]

what if sod had keys

would that be pog

[normal mist]

I mean this is my first character, i couldn't tell

i've yet to try end game

[nova aspen]

its just raid logging or pvp

[normal mist]

Sounds like something i want to do

[nova aspen]

its fun for awhile but keys is what keeps me playing

[normal mist]

I like the amount of "sets" you can have equiped and mix and match tiers

[normal mist]

i honestly hate M+ overall

[nova aspen]

hate keys or hate pugging keys

xD

[normal mist]

Yes.

[nova aspen]

i hate pugging but running keys with ppl you know is the only reason i do it

its always fun even if we chain brick

resilient was big tho

but ye sod is fun for a few months

i just get bored after awhile

[clever sparrow]

i still won the game

[viscid spear]

[fickle fossil]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[shadow lark]

Is energy supposed to be rough in single target or am i doing too much?

[cerulean walrus]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[cerulean walrus]

@shadow lark

[clever sparrow]

YOU STILL HAVE TO WIN

anyone can log review?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GM8Bch4JLf2tVzgW?fight=2&type=summary

how to IMPROVE

[cerulean walrus]

Your spatter uptime is really bad

[clever sparrow]

i prio spreading bleeds more than spatter

[shadow lark]

Perfect, thanks

[clever sparrow]

is it more important?

[dreamy rover]

AHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RUPTURE SNIPING IS SO FUCKING COOL AND GOOD AAAAAHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGFFGGHHHJ

[quasi hill]

Hey, I am about to craft my embellishment. I play m+ exclusively - archon says go ascendence+banding or double focusing lens.

Guide on icy veins says go double crit. Confusion is perfect, what is true 😕

[sudden brook]

Pick random ones

[west crown]

2 garrotes, 2 ruptures, tempest, spatter, then more bleeds

[quasi hill]

Thought you're an outlaw guy 😛

[clever sparrow]

tempest with what cp

😄

[west crown]

5+, same as everything

[sudden brook]

I play whatever I feel like playing

I wanna be able to play all the specs at a high level

[viscid spear]

[earnest remnant]

nerd

[dreamy rover]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH WHAT I SAID MAN

[viscid spear]

You type like my 70-year-old aunt

[rare swift]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[viscid spear]

[cerulean walrus]

Ambush>Garrote>Rupture>Rupture>Garrote>Garrote/FoK>CT>Mutilate done

Then send CDs

Takes no time at all

[dreamy rover]

Thats a huge win for me thanks

How much money do I need to wire to whispyr for a red name man

[viscid spear]

[dreamy rover]

Please i need it

[viscid spear]

No, you cheap imitation of Evil Larry

[dreamy rover]

Uhhhh

Im literally him

(Its me the cat guy)

[viscid spear]

[dreamy rover]

Im going to use my sudden demisinator on you ashcat

Youre for sure an airfryer-less cat...

[viscid spear]

Evil Larry is my ally, you power means nothing.

[loud hawk]

is it better on opener (Multi Target) (5 for example): Stealth -> garrote garrote -> Rupture Rupture -> AND THEN AMBUSH (to apply Caustic Spatter)
or
Stealth -> AMBUSH -> Garrote -Rupture Rupture -> Garrote -> ...

[dreamy rover]

On a kinda serious note now, did you see that the original chill cat guy (the orange cat) sadly passed away?

That broke my heart so bad

I almost cried when I got the news...

[sudden brook]

U need to ambush to apply DSM

so first global

[loud hawk]

ty

[rotund oak]

[hollow river]

the difference between most embs is very negligible, just go ascend+banding

[viscid spear]

Been having issues in keys where casts are going off, making me feel like I should swap back to IW

[jovial solar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[obtuse cedar]

hey guys, just had the weirdest thing happen to me. was doing DFC 12 and for some reason my energy regen was super slow. didn't matter how many ruptures I had going, it'd take me around 4 seconds to be able to press FoK twice in a row. poisons were up, even tried refreshing it but it didn't help

and then game randomly crashed so no logs

online right now and it feels normal

I did the standard opener without rupture tab (so 5 were out) and I still managed to run out of energy despite BL, for the entirety of the key up untill my game crashed on 1st boss

has anyone experienced something similar?

[paper tundra]

can anybody tell around what % stats should be for bleed build?

[normal mist]

Around...

[paper tundra]

yeah for sure but i mean is it like same stat prio as Kingbane build or a diff stat prio

[normal mist]

we don't have stat prios

we have ilevel

and then we sim whatever items we have on the bags

[winged sun]

guys

whoever's playing theater/workshop/rookery/darkflame plz test out this build and lmk

you do need to FoK between ruptures in aoe tho

you just rupture twice and nuke envenoms

@ me for results there might be some undersimming things on this one im doing 10-20m every pull on packs

spatter is doubling crimson tempest's dmg

just be aware this build barely has downtime so you'll constantly be on gcd

[viscid spear]

[clever sparrow]

im kinda in love with hybrid talent

its wayyy more fun than any other build

[normal mist]

IIRC that builds loses a ton of AoE for a bit of ST

That's the main dif i believe

[royal lantern]

not really

bleed is more boss st

[spice spire]

It’s not a ton but it’s a bit it’s just more prone to user error

[normal mist]

[spice spire]

And st is shit either way never gonna gatekeep that jawn

[royal lantern]

^

[eternal drift]

How bad of a dps loss is it to take iron wire and leave out 1 additional shiv charge for m+ bleed build? 🙂

[royal lantern]

a bit but wont break your back

[eternal drift]

It feels so much more comfortable to have that additional silence

[spice surge]

At this point cant you just skip scent and go full on arterial for more spatter

[lean plover]

Cant even garrote spread effectively

[runic hinge]

2%

[lean plover]

Wouldnt be better to take imp gar isnt of double shiv?

[runic hinge]

at that point why even take ic? no scent no imp gar?

I know you need bleeds for energy but it's just the anti bleed build at that point

[winged sun]

skipping scent is cooked

scent is the most broken talent in m+ for funnel

also blindside is mostly useless

in m+

[viscid spear]

I won, but at what cost

[gloomy heart]

i love the 668 hunter in y key doing 1.5 overall!

[lyric vale]

can i trust sim?

[runic hinge]

yes

[lyric vale]

lets see if he says 4k haste is low

[dusk fox]

4k haste is low

[buoyant herald]

In raid that sounds like you’ve messed up yeah

But an unlucky string of no blindside procs or mutilate crits could leave you there maybe

[solar wyvern]

Hybrid with less garrote value hmmge. I imagine kulthorak went insane if they don't hit souls. Maybe improved crippling?

I will experiment with this and get back to you

[winged sun]

improved crippling could be useful ur right

[ashen totem]

what are your stats like when you run this build?

[winged sun]

30% crit with crit flask

i assume ur asking about my dashing + x2 shiv build?

[obtuse cedar]

Am I going nuts or is that normal energy regen using bleed build???

https://imgur.com/j6MMlvq

5 ruptures out

[ashen totem]

yes yes

[obtuse cedar]

gif is trashy sry

[ashen totem]

im doing things with it atm

[sudden brook]

yeah?

[obtuse cedar]

Well if I keep pressing my buttons I eventually run out of energy and cant press anything for 5 seconds though

[lyric vale]

there is bleed option in sim

should i use it?

[obtuse cedar]

Cant mash my keyboard while recording

So cant show you

[sudden brook]

Both rupture and garrote provide energy individually

Right?

[jaunty sky]

is your deadly poison on

[solar wyvern]

It probably goes hard with a more crit/mast >= verse > haste statline ya?

[obtuse cedar]

Was gonna instantly type out "Yes of course" before checking

Had instant poison and not deadly poison

[jaunty sky]

[dull pulsar]

bleed build better than hybrid right now ?

[obtuse cedar]

Well oddly enough this feels normal now

Ty for fixing my dumdumness

[winged sun]

@spice spire dashing causes all aoe poison crits to generate 1 energy?

or just ur main target?

[coral ibex]

they're buff timers

did you try reading them?

[thin tinsel]

are you lost my friend?

[coral ibex]

they have the same icons as your buffs

one of them is your trinket proc

[solar wyvern]

All poisons, spatter, deadly poison ticks, deadly poison applications. Its why you're so high energy in raid

[lyric vale]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

Spatter definitely does not contribute energy to dashing what

That would be insane

Spatter can’t even crit

How would that even work

[solar wyvern]

Hmm maybe I'm just a silly goober

[midnight mist]

you are

noob

yellow name tho

make sense

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-name-yellow-names-bbdb-mdrovell-yellow-gif-27640216

[solar wyvern]

Yellow name because i clicked on all specs and it defaulted me smh

[thorn thorn]

Laugh at the yellow name

[dawn seal]

do u just not let a assa rogue in a rik reverb fight ?

what do u do also if tanks wont do 1 little step towards adds so I could cleave as well

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[thorn thorn]

Cry and tell the tanks to reroll

The order doesnt matter either

[dawn seal]

they should move the boss towards adds

[solar wyvern]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[dawn seal]

if we arent droping the pylons right ?

they are trying to pin point hold the boss exactly center of markers

[thorn thorn]

In theory yes they should move boss towards add a bit if you arent baiting

However

[dawn seal]

like literally boss never moves 1 cm away from a marker

[fresh mica]

@winged sun +15 rook

[thorn thorn]

You shouldnt count on tanks knowing head from ass

[fresh mica]

with your build

[dawn seal]

[solar wyvern]

Show damage breakdown

[fresh mica]

did one 25 mil envenom

[solar wyvern]

What was last boss like?

[lyric vale]

damnnn

[lyric vale]

can u export talent?

[fresh mica]

this is last boss

[fresh mica]

.

[solar wyvern]

How many shields?

[fresh mica]

3 i think

[lyric vale]

love that

[robust thorn]

Man, reading the guide is pretty smart. I just read I'm supposed to maintain Crimson Tempest in ST.

[normal mist]

Only with the bleed build

[hidden bay]

I maintain ct on sprocket aswell

[solar wyvern]

I maintain cbt on sprocket

[unkempt vine]

Where you testing that build that zeros posted?

[balmy condor]

I maintain a full erection when we fight globbicus

[coral ibex]

globbicus is the hardest boss in the raid

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

I heard they got him booked on a drug trafficking charge last week

Smuggled like 10 bricks in over the Mexican border

DEA’s got him now

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr out of context is my favorite time

[gaunt quiver]

Got a 33M on Momma with Forced induction.

[balmy condor]

Look man I get that they’re trying to get the head of the operation but it’s like the system failed globbicus

[thorn thorn]

Who is globbicus

[balmy condor]

He’s a good guy he just got caught up with the wrong people, trying to survive best he can

[balmy condor]

Big slime boss in front of sprocketmonger

[coral ibex]

i've seen globbicus murder 20 raiders in cold blood

is this your "good guy"

globbicus is a monster and needs to be put down!

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor when raid