assassination

[topaz hare]

i got like 3k

[west crown]

I always have the talent swap for iron wire and not having problems being top or near top dps

[spice spire]

Have not had issues but I’m raiding tn

[dapper cradle]

If I say anymore I’ll be in big trouble

[viral current]

how do people use the junk mega magnet lol

[hexed frost]

So with only one shiv, do we use that on pull (when mobs are at 100%) or when they hit 35-40% HP?

[runic hinge]

Use in lingering darkness

[viral current]

makes a lot of sense

[grand trail]

Holding dmg on bosses is such a fun

Love it

[runic hinge]

Send with dm and then just kinda whenever

[inland dirge]

channel your inner pilav and direct it at your raid leader

[grand trail]

[real pike]

bandit is parrying me so much tonight holy

[golden loom]

ive had 2 kingsbanes parried but I adapted

and just dont get parried

😎

[real pike]

we adapted by wiping

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cosmic sundial]

ok so i'm not a psycho for seeing parry on this boss xD

[hollow dirge]

anyone else simming more with ttb over arterial in st?

deathstalker

[solar wyvern]

Yes read the pins

Theres nuance tho, if you're on mugzee then arterial is better because you value execute dps

[hollow dirge]

usually do, guess I missed something

[solar wyvern]

Or in aoe cleave scenarios

[hollow dirge]

yeah ofc

[balmy condor]

I haven’t had a kb parried yet on oab

[solar wyvern]

On sprocket tho ttb is op .3% increase wicked

[rotund jungle]

Guys i might goin insane cause after i was forced to disable all my addons today and enable them all again my Luxthos WA dont show the OMNICC timer anymore it only shows blizzards or WA timer idk

i cant figure it out

the worst park is that my timer for bleed etc are freakin me out when they are just so small and white ^^

[rotund oak]

Bruh,logged to start the new stuff and go through scenario and all

why is the game so laggy and bugged

[rotund jungle]

on blizzard bars omnicc is still working

[rotund oak]

and whats the fps dives

whats happening

[balmy condor]

I had that too

Logged in with 15-20 fps

Nothing fixed it

Killed vexie

Back up to 90

[rotund oak]

i swear my pc is fully functional,my SSD runs other games easy and ive had 15 fps

i cant play the game with 15 fps

might have to buy a NASA computer to just play wow

and the addons and WAs i can understand its first day and all

[lethal arrow]

love early patch parses

rank 7 purple

sickkk

[rotund oak]

but its like the game isnt fully operational anymore

i have no idea wth is happening

[balmy condor]

So you’re a shitter like the rest of us again

[lethal arrow]

im so ass man

[sudden brook]

Well not all of us

[lethal arrow]

not rank 1 might as well quit forever

ffs

[balmy condor]

Outlaw main speaking volume slider down

[sudden brook]

What does that say about ur spec that I can come in here and wreak havoc

[balmy condor]

Fel Hammers thatta way bud

👈

[lethal arrow]

did a bit of exploiting in heroic tho

had 9% bonus dmg

[golden loom]

Banned

[red schooner]

Blizz, get him

[sudden brook]

DOn't forget it

[lethal arrow]

assassins en route to my house

[rotund oak]

more like first it was ret in dragon isles,then foreversubguy then foreversinguy

looks more like foreverfotmguy

[golden loom]

OAB reminded me how hilariously long APs range can be

Hitting side and middle reel assistant when boss felt like it was in narnia

[silent remnant]

did a quick check and didn't find mention of it but is deathstalker's mark bugged? I swear i ambushed from stealth in mechagon and it didn't apply

[sudden brook]

U musnt've

[balmy condor]

[sudden brook]

sorry

mustn't've

[west crown]

probably got brought out of stealth by something random

[balmy condor]

Ty for the fix

[rotund oak]

its common to get destealthed for some reason and u actually think uve pressed ambush instead of whatever is on your bar

[silent remnant]

i had subterfuge tho, would it still not apply?

[rotund oak]

did you?

[silent remnant]

it happened twice too, idk i'll keep an eye on it

[rotund oak]

😉

[golden loom]

Is there maybe a silly mob in mechagon that can parry for some reason?

[rotund oak]

if we have ppl mentioning then might be the case

[golden loom]

Badly coded mob?

[rotund oak]

but for now u ar ethe first

[silent remnant]

mmmm parry might be it

never thought of that

i forget that exists tbh

[golden loom]

But m+ mobs should not be able to parry

But sometimes they do?

[rotund oak]

maybe it was immune

[golden loom]

Or maybe you were playing fatebound....

[rotund oak]

also a probability

😂

[sudden brook]

i dont think there is a single M+ mob that parries

there are some bosses that can

[silent remnant]

ok ok fam mb

[balmy condor]

Yeah parries aren’t a thing in m+ except when an m+ boss is listed as a raid boss

Like iridikron from Dragonflight

Since they’re coded as raid bosses, those can parry

Otherwise no parries

[keen spruce]

iridikron

range your healer or get parried

[gilded oasis]

I personally love parry so much I wish more things parried and more often

[wary light]

Any log magician able to tell me how to check my highest envenom hit when looking at 34 grouped OAB pulls?

[sage basin]

just hover over your envenom damage in the amount and it has a max number that'll show

[warm vortex]

@spice spire

[balmy condor]

hover the bar

no magician needed

[wary light]

tyty gamers

@balmy condor @sudden brook we were talking about it earlier but this is from OAB prog tonight

No cheating vexie damage amp 20 mil hits smh

[balmy condor]

yeah, small cock bro

[wary light]

FUCK

I thought the 16mil was at least average 4 inches

[balmy condor]

guy was natty 23

[wary light]

jesus

[balmy condor]

well, natty 18.6

23mil was oab so still cheating

but you just said 16 from oab

so

[wary light]

im just a small rogue

[sudden brook]

Lemme get my mugzee dmg

[fresh kelp]

noob

[flint vale]

How

[sudden brook]

You had raid buff bugged

[fresh kelp]

nop

[sudden brook]

Cheater

[flint vale]

Ah

[fresh kelp]

was on the 15th

i think we had 6% though

you prob didnt

[sudden brook]

Nah mine was from last night

Post fix

So it was 6

[fresh kelp]

wasn't even in lingering

[shy stream]

do we mana oil for bleed build? or do we still use whetstone?

[balmy condor]

mana oil is maybe slightly better

but you'd never notice a difference either way

[shy stream]

awesome, thank you so much!

[spice spire]

Maybe you don’t but I would

[vast shuttle]

have seen people run bleed build with no kb, is this duable?

[dapper cradle]

yeah the bleed build doesn't run KB

[keen spruce]

u mean the default m+ build?

[runic hinge]

You mean the default unsubbed build

[vast shuttle]

y

[keen spruce]

[vast shuttle]

just no kb mythic + build

is it good?

[keen spruce]

it doesn't use kb correct

[dapper cradle]

who is the black dude in your pfp

is that cahti?

[vast shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/playboi-carti-playboi-carti-cute-playboi-carti-filter-playboi-carti-effect-playboi-carti-photo-gif-5487728262086807574

[vast shuttle]

yes but is the build good?

[keen spruce]

it's literally the only build anyone plays

[vast shuttle]

huh

[keen spruce]

well that's not true

[normal mist]

I'm really cool now guys

[keen spruce]

it's the best build though

for 99% of keys

[balmy condor]

is the build in the guide good though

[keen spruce]

it's what you should be playing

[vast shuttle]

nahh all this time i played with kb

[keen spruce]

well we all did until this season

[vast shuttle]

ok will test it

[gilded oasis]

no. writer is a known misleader and gate keeps all information

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

damn

[runic hinge]

Also sandbags sims

Dammit

[keen spruce]

known sandbagger

[runic hinge]

I was slow

[gilded oasis]

and has an egg face

or egg on his face

[vast shuttle]

will take the nmbr 1 rogue build

[balmy condor]

fun fact, shmeeps made an edit of me as an egg

[gilded oasis]

I know

[balmy condor]

yeah, that one

[gilded oasis]

I remember

[balmy condor]

and it caused me to get hate messages for a couple weeks

[sour void]

That was fast

[keen spruce]

eggspyr

[balmy condor]

cause people thought I was trans

[runic hinge]

Why are you so happy

[keen spruce]

transegg

[runic hinge]

About the broken egg

[gilded oasis]

he loves watching his friends crack

[runic hinge]

Real

[keen spruce]

but the egg face was literally your pfp at the time

how did making it an egg cause hate messages

[dapper cradle]

whisp is trans?

does he have a girldick?

[balmy condor]

cause the term for a transgender individual who hasn't come out yet is an egg shmeeps.

[gilded oasis]

[royal lantern]

you know, im not even suprised

[keen spruce]

my brother is trans and I didn't know that lmao

[runic hinge]

Some brother you are

[gilded oasis]

it is also what ducks lay, its ok shmeeeps

ducks dont know these things

[vast shuttle]

with the bleed build my caustic wont activate why?

[gilded oasis]

are you mutilating

[balmy condor]

probably doing something stupid

[dapper cradle]

make sure you're specced into it

[gilded oasis]

is rupture on your target

[dapper cradle]

and you're hitting mut

with rupture on target

[gilded oasis]

are you logged into the game?

[runic hinge]

Do you have deadly poison on!

[gilded oasis]

are you specced as assassination?

[vast shuttle]

XD

[dapper cradle]

is your sybian on max!

[vast shuttle]

IM SO DUMB

[runic hinge]

Gottem

[gilded oasis]

Damn Tony

[dapper cradle]

nice find tony

[royal lantern]

HI SO DUMB

and yeha thats a thing people sowmtimes forget

[dapper cradle]

bro is a super sleuth

[gilded oasis]

we call him the n00b whisperer

[feral merlin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

I knew it

[vast shuttle]

after u do new build it takes it away xd

[dapper cradle]

whispyr girldick reveal when?

[balmy condor]

u wish bud

[vast shuttle]

HOLY FUCK ITS DMG IN CLEAVE

[balmy condor]

is this a good holy fuck

or a bad holy fuck

[vast shuttle]

GOOOOOD

[dapper cradle]

bro discovered caustic spatter

[balmy condor]

okay well, it could've gone both ways to be fair

cause cleave is kinda the weak point of the build

[vast shuttle]

nahh the cleave dmg was so much better

[vast shuttle]

huh how the shiv hits more targets and the bleed is very good

[dapper cradle]

i mean no-caustic is worse cleave than caustic

[royal lantern]

tbf, going from no cleave to actually having cleave feels good regardless

[balmy condor]

yeah but compared to typical hybrid builds

bleed is behind in that 3-5 target range

and ahead everywhere else

you don't have enough targets for bleeds to scale, you aren't getting the full 100% on ct, not maxing scent of blood

but you also have too many targets to mut and make use of blindside

so it's just worse than a typical build slamming envenoms

well "typical" as in the last couple seasons

[vast shuttle]

well i did much more dmg on this build in cleave xd

[balmy condor]

yeah so then should only get better from there I guess

cause if you did more in a situation the build is just numerically bad at

then probably also more in situations where it's actually good

[kindred timber]

whisper should you stay above 50% energy on boss even?

in bleed

[balmy condor]

with bleed build yes

[vast shuttle]

i did like 7-8m dps on 5 dummys and now 11millon dps first try

[kindred timber]

if i wanna alwyes above 50% energy on boss i feel more afk is that feeling right?

[balmy condor]

well you stay above 50% for sanguine

which is eating energy

and less energy means less casts

so yeah,

checks out

[kindred timber]

so if you reach to boss full cd but no tea or 1 tea you still do slowly?

[balmy condor]

no obviously not

during cooldowns you're doing damage

that's when you press buttons

[kindred timber]

i got it

just dabut about it

ty

[graceful widget]

Really enjoying the minigame of "what's the biggeset Sudden Demise you can make?" lol

[balmy condor]

I'm surprised we haven't seen 40mil yet this week

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/231-gif-25095509

[balmy condor]

people were getting close last week, crests should've done it

[viscid spear]

[tall atlas]

How do you even make it that big

😏

[balmy condor]

latinas

[tall atlas]

We don’t have those in Scotland

[vast shuttle]

what the diffrence between the hybrid build and bleed build besides no kb?

[thin portal]

Hi sin rogues

Its me ryukage, I might be joining you since killingspree is inferior and not enjoyable to my wow life.

[shy sorrel]

Is there any1 who could look at my sim and tell me why it says I should take a hasteheavy ring on Assa? Isn't haste very low on the stat prio

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qoH6hTncXbuDVYL7piLxJf

Or is it because of the crit?

[balmy condor]

not having haste makes hastes good

[shy sorrel]

But why does it say to go haste in Raid but not in m+

Is it because of the Energy regen?

[sudden brook]

Vv requires more haste

[analog field]

Can someone help with a log on cauldron, i havent played the fight many times but if there are obvious mistakes that i missed . https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QZ84WhHLf2aBxy1C?type=damage-done&graphperf=1&fight=12

[winged quail]

Haste is not bad with bleed build in M+ anyway so a lil haste is fine whatever

[shy sorrel]

When it comes to Bleed build, do you send CT into Shiv or Shiv into CT

And also, at what + in keys would you swap from Caustic Spatter to Internal Bleeding?

[spice surge]

Idk never really

Internal Bleeding just sucks

[humble verge]

i still use it for sprocket

[tepid hearth]

is it okay to do a few extra ruptures/garrotes during indiscriminate carnage at the start of big M+ pulls? More bleeds = more damage right? Using the bleed build

[unique rune]

thats what i do

hit a bunch

im also about 4 weeks into the spec to take it with a grain of salt

[tepid hearth]

my thought process was to try to utilize IC as much as possible during the opening before moving into the standard rotation

[unique rune]

thats what i've been doing, i see great results with it.

[runic hinge]

Yes that’s fine. Usually you want imp garrote on everything and I’ll send some extra ruptures so when small things die I still have 5 scent stacks

Trying to not slow your opener down too much tho and getting ct up early is important as well

You don’t wanna spend all 12 seconds sending garrotes and ruptures

[vital flicker]

The funny part is that if you swap spatter to internal bleeding in the bleed build, you sim higher in ST and dungeon slice than the FI-hybrid build

Not that I would reccomend doing that in any way

[stable cove]

Does anyone have an updated sin rogue guide that talks ab in depth things like dry shiving

im coming back to game and had no idea ab this

[balmy condor]

wowhead

[stable cove]

ok king

[polar rampart]

i think i bricked my vault pick cuz im not sure when dinars are out, took bee eo ring over kelp wrists 😦

[west smelt]

Are the kelp wrists sin bis or something?

[lyric vale]

well

simulation craft is trolling

[west smelt]

If so that's the second week in a row the vault has given me mythic sin bis when I don't want it

[lyric vale]

im doing way more than he is saying

[west smelt]

Last week was the cinderbrew neck

[polar rampart]

prolly bis from dungeon if you play bleed build

[stable cove]

someone told me that in 11.1 we do not vanish for improve garrotte but rather save vanish to reapply mark, is this true or cap?

[polar rampart]

cant you use it for both and make that decision based on game context?

[lyric vale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/29w4cHb6czUNL9CbpdCGkf

[solar wyvern]

You use it that way to have the mark up and triggering things like hunt them down and singular focus for 2-3 globals when you have dn

But thats like not required by any means

And if u have imp garrote or ma, you still prioritize those over having it for a dn overlap

Its not like it was on released where you could apply mark-> dn - consume mark with dn

[balmy condor]

The paragraph is correct but the slightly preferred raid build atm doesn’t take improved garrote

So no reason to vanish really

[stable cove]

yeah i just realized that oops

these small subtle changes have a big impact lol but hard to catch up on when coming back from a break

[vapid sierra]

what do you guys do on gally to bring dps up apart do regular boss shit

rupture a few adds and try and cleave?

[spice surge]

rupture technician

Hit boss

[vapid sierra]

do people hold kb or dm around adds

ima ssuming not

[midnight scroll]

bit of a dumb question but how do you even play bleed build on bosses? not having kb is new territory for me

[polar rampart]

keep bleeds up

[haughty flicker]

Apply bleeds, press envenom

Small gain to stay above 150 energy

[midnight scroll]

what about deathmark?

[polar rampart]

uhh if you dont get 2 dms your damage will be garbo prolly

[spice surge]

Its literally the same except you dont envenom before kingbsane (since you dont have it)

[haughty flicker]

Just use deathmark normally

[spice surge]

So you dont envenom before deathmark

Just keep bleeds up, rup, gar and ct

[vapid sierra]

bleed build is a snooze fest

i love it

miantain shit on boss

and click mutialte/enovnem every 4 seconds

[frigid birch]

when I sim droptimizer its telling me to craft stuff with haste on it but iIsee a lot of the top rogues in M+ have very low haste. Is it because im simming Single target and Mastery crit stronger in M+

[magic fossil]

quick question: to get 10% buff in bandit we need to stay inline, really close or between?

[vapid sierra]

really close

[barren yarrow]

just stand near the coin

[gilded oasis]

stand close to the line but not in it or you get stunned

[vapid sierra]

in line will fuk you

[barren yarrow]

reall close

[magic fossil]

yeal really close

ty sweeties

❤️

[turbid quail]

should we still be getting to 7cp for darkest night even with supercharger up

[spice surge]

yes

[gloomy heart]

how are ppl geting "the real deal" title

[spice surge]

You do the delve boss

On ??

[gloomy heart]

oh okay ez

[haughty flicker]

you can also get "the reel deal" by doing the achievement for one armed bandit

lol

[marble meteor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble meteor]

Where can i find the bis gear in each slot

[dense sparrow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[silk sundial]

What should we cloak on mythic sprocket?

Knockback, beams, color swap, pull?

[short pine]

is that also for like our typical get to 5 cp before using envenom?

[barren yarrow]

what bosses idealy go for sub other than ricky rick for raid

[short pine]

nothing sin ON TOP

its actually the best spec in the game

[prime hull]

My only craftable slots are belt and ring and i have belt in vault... do i really craft a ring even though a heroic jastor will replace it or just save crests?

[balmy condor]

Only really important one is the void beam magnet overlap

[ebon steppe]

Is it possible to set kezan 20stacks in the whole sim？

[balmy condor]

Yeh you can add an initial 20 stack buff

I helped someone with it a while ago

Think it was ryler

In this channel

You can probably find it if you search a bit

[ebon steppe]

Thanks man

[gloomy heart]

Whats the 0.1 title for this eason

season

[median rune]

Is Jastors Diamond buggy on sims? I want to take it but this myth track cloak got me acting unwise

[sudden brook]

Link the sim?

[median rune]

hol on

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gARzx97PHEVXEgcLX26Tpn

[spice surge]

Well you didnt add any sockets to it

[median rune]

oh

XD

aight ty for shrimput

[dreamy tree]

hypothetically can someone tell me if im ass based off of this sprocket log pretty please with a cherry on top

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dyPNFm39K2pLn1Tj?fight=23&type=damage-done&source=28

i used to play outlaw then switched to assin cuz felt like i was doing allat for no dmg

but now i feel like im doing no dmg on assin LMFAO

[prime hull]

Just play what you like, the specs are pretty equal (except sub which is down bad)

[near valley]

Did you kingsbane b4 DM?

Mobile logs is shite so I'm not sure if I saw it right

[dreamy tree]

i dont think so?

pretty sure ive been doing the cds right

[sudden brook]

read a guide

Ur opener is wrong

U need envenom up b4 u go into KB

[runic hinge]

You also went 4 seconds on your 1min kb between envenom and shiv into kb

Like you didn’t hit any buttons

[near valley]

Yeah I think it was just mobile logs being wierd

[near valley]

Wait if garrote was the first gcd there did he even have deathstalkers applied?

[dreamy tree]

no i didnt i ufcked up there

cuz the pull got rid of my stealth for some reason

so maybe thats not a good log to look at, i mean i have a mugzee one i just did that i felt like i did a lot better in

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dyPNFm39K2pLn1Tj?fight=33&type=damage-done&source=28

its not exactly pure st though so idk man

[ebon steppe]

override.precombat_state=buff.eye_of_kezan.stack=20

Could this be used in top gear sim？

[stable cove]

this is wild xd

[sudden brook]

Even ignoring you getting taken out of stealth, its wrong

You need envenom UP AS You cast KB

[stable cove]

what % of dmg is orc racial

im dwarf for m+ but might swap

[near valley]

Pretty minor afaik

[wind sail]

@sudden brook can i ask you a question seemss u know a lot of rogue, im confusing about this talent "vicius venoms" i see every1 using it but when i simulate it it shows i should use "improved garrote and "master assasin", on single target

[sudden brook]

Its a smidge better on pure ST

Which is only lockenstock

raid cleave (the entire raid) VV is back to being ahead

[wind sail]

@sudden brook thx for answer!

[dreamy rover]

hey whispyr

hey shoporer

hey guy

i need TIPs on bandit prog

my guild finally killed that sprocket dude

what have you guys been doing

any tricks?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Add it to expert mode

[balmy condor]

I got a fat tip for you right here buddy pal

Hold first dm until like 2 seconds before first assistant adds spawn, that way you’ll line up CDs for that set and next

If you’re doing gold fixate boxes hold a shiv for it

[dreamy rover]

what is that emote

[dreamy rover]

perfect

its dps gain, yes?

i mean

you wouldnt recommend a dps loss strategy

THANKS WHISPYR

[near valley]

He might if they payoff isn't worth it

[sudden brook]

There is no tips

Hit the boss

Apply rupture to adds in between DN

[wind sail]

@sudden brook srry i want to ask you again i saw that VV requires more haste in raid, how much extra haste? those are my stats for raid

[sudden brook]

Seems fine idk

Just sim ur gear

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[sudden brook]

look for upgrades

U dont need to think that hard about it

[stable cove]

what if we go all in on vers so we never die then we do more dps than the dead ppl

can i get theory crafter role after that

[sharp hill]

am i crazy or does bandit parry like crazy

[wind sail]

@sudden brook cool only switch trinkets seems, eye of kezan and priority trinket (i saw a lot of ppl using the floodgate one the crit)

[coral ibex]

you're not crazy, you spend a lot of time in front of the boss

[sharp hill]

i just got my kingsbane parried and almost just turned off my computer

holy

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-man-stressed-problematic-gif-15976565

you irl

[worthy rose]

just checking

does this make anyone jelly

[dreamy rover]

what is DN

[balmy condor]

No because I have the same

[dreamy rover]

DN = DEATNARK?

[runic hinge]

Where is mine?

[balmy condor]

Sticks and stone may break my bones but I bottom for women

[dreamy rover]

DN = DINGSNANE?

[balmy condor]

Darkest night

[worthy rose]

dn = dingsnane confirmed

[dreamy rover]

AH OK

[worthy rose]

IM POPPING DINGSNANE

[polar rampart]

dinglenoodle

[sharp hill]

if im not running the improved garrote talent, is there any reason for vanish

[coral ibex]

deatnark

[balmy condor]

Rupture adds for energy

[coral ibex]

100%

[dreamy rover]

WHY RUPTURE WITH DARKEST NIGHT WHAT

[balmy condor]

Nyet unless you gotta move your mark

[dreamy rover]

rupture refunds only work during DN?

[coral ibex]

bro relax

[balmy condor]

Gnniet

Gnnnnocci

[sharp hill]

i figured, just wanted to make sure, tyty

[dreamy rover]

what

gnnnnocci

gnniet

[balmy condor]

Gnnnnnocci

[dreamy rover]

what the ufck

[balmy condor]

I’m tellin man, ain’t no rigatoni

But it’s a damn good pasta

[dreamy rover]

answer me please torelloni

[balmy condor]

I’ve had 5 shorts I’m sorry

This isn’t healthy

[dreamy rover]

lol

i wish i was drunk

hey whispyr

do rupture refunds only work during darketst nightht?

[runic hinge]

No

[sharp hill]

this might be the boss i crash out on

[brave comet]

why does my envenom do signficantly less damage than his? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/XjwMvWNbA7h8rFKH/7nYTb6d8a2RfxrK9?fight=47%2C72&type=summary&source=8%2CTenrakú

[zenith smelt]

When you play bleedbuild in mytic+ Do you rotate swap targets with Rupture and garrote all the time?

[low hare]

i mean not really spamming them no, if big pull ill garrote/rupture the stragglers while they run in assuming the tank has threat, then ill crimson, mark and garrote rupture x2ish times my main target, and proceed into CDs from there.

i would not recommend spamming it over your other abilities, no. crimson, shiv, envonom/caustic still play large role in your overall kit

[scenic kraken]

If i were to drop a link to my logs would anyone be willing to peep them and let me know where im choking? i was super excited to get 3mdps on vexie tonight and i still only parsed 68 :<

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/zuljin/bonerfied

[zenith smelt]

OKey tnx

[balmy condor]

Nein

[balmy condor]

Crash out kingothy

[sudden brook]

U need envenom on the target before doing KB

[low hare]

i have to say been practing bleed the last couple days, its super simple, not as CD dependant, and will do overall better damage it seems most of the time

[dreamy rover]

then why did

foreverguy say this

[sudden brook]

i didnt

U misread what I said

[dreamy rover]

yhea

i just re-read it

lol

ughhhh

im so stupid

[brave comet]

could it be the ring? but i dont think thats true, that doesnt make sense.

[gloomy heart]

i can still play this for raid?

[brave comet]

missing vicious venoms there

[sudden brook]

Probably not

VV is more cleave damage

than MA shit

[gloomy heart]

i see

[low hare]

i mean i didnt break it down too much into like how many combo points per envenom.

but he cast it +2 more times than you over al, and it hits for a lot more than yours

to me this looks like not enough combo points spent on each of your envenoms.

but like i said im not trying to go that granular this late at night.

[scenic kraken]

does it matter how many points the envenom is?

[gloomy heart]

5+ so coutns for mark

[sudden brook]

same as normal finisher rules

[dreamy rover]

yo guy

if a guildie of mine got the renown bug

can he buy the mount and trade it??

[sudden brook]

Idk maybe

[dreamy rover]

dude

[sudden brook]

Dont think u can trade renown shit

[balmy condor]

What is happening

[dreamy rover]

should i not expose that type of shit whospiyt?

[gloomy heart]

chaos and destruction of braincells inc

[dreamy rover]

who the fuck is flower and kpb

[brave comet]

idk i cast it as per the rules 5 without darkest night, and 7 on darkest night

[dreamy rover]

what boss do we take arterial precision? @sudden brook

@balmy condor

yhea im pinging like that

really disrespectful activities

[low hare]

its possible he juts proced more combo points then, he also crit 5% more than you did, that probably has something else to do with it

[scenic kraken]

is there another site like wowanalyzer? wowanalyzer says its not updated for the spec

[stable cove]

anyone have a good wa that makes a noise when you are targeted by stuff in m+?

[dreamy rover]

warcraftlogs.com and compare your logs manually

not that hard

or even get your log and do

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[dreamy rover]

uhhhh

uhhhhh

fuck

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[dreamy rover]

uhh

@balmy condor help?

[drifting cloud]

its removed

theres no manpower for log checks

if you get lucky you can sometimes catch people helping

[sudden brook]

Every boss except sprocket

Even on that boss u take it lol

U just drop cc

Vv

[dreamy rover]

what

why

would you

take

AP

[sudden brook]

Read what it does

[dreamy rover]

isnt it only aoe effects

sadly i cant read

[sudden brook]

Try reading the talent and lmk

[dreamy rover]

ok

make shiv better also

thanks dude

it adds bleed dmg

and not only nature shit

[jaunty sky]

The basic mistakes like DoT uptime and cooldown usage u can also see in wowanalyzer

It's missing a lot tho

Cooldown sync for example, doesn't check if u actually did dm+kb+ 2 shivs and then kb+ 2 shivs

[balmy condor]

Call 988 my love

[scenic kraken]

dm kb 2shivs ? wait is that where im fkin up. you send both shivs?

[balmy condor]

Ofc

[nova kelp]

kb 2shivs sounds like a ganster name

[balmy condor]

shiv buff damage

Damage during dm

Dm damage + shiv dam

Good dam

Big dam

Dam

I got royalty I got war and peace inside my dna

[gloomy heart]

calm down kendrick

[silk sundial]

Quick question about log parses. Just killed M Sprocket, sitting at rank 20 but the parse is 80. I assume that's because it's the start of 11.1.5 and there just aren't many kills as of now?

[nova kelp]

Weird shit at play in logs atm because of the issue with the 18% buff yesterday

give it a sec and it will settle up

[silk sundial]

I also saw the top sin log was 2.6m. Is that with the 18% buff from yesterday and just a good kill?

[nova kelp]

also grats, you can wake up now that sprocket is dead

I find that boss so zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[jaunty sky]

There's 114 kills for assa rn

[silk sundial]

Lol I was honestly zoning out on the fight. It's basically a glorified target dummy as melee

[brave comet]

do you guys use authority of depths for raids or power. i'm kinda confused

[sudden brook]

depths

[brave comet]

even in cleave fights?

[sudden brook]

st damage more important than cleave damage

[jaunty sky]

Are you re enchanting your weapons for every fight??

[brave comet]

no

[nova kelp]

depths

[sudden brook]

ST boss damage is more valuable than doing more cleave damage

our cleave is already good

[glad ferry]

Guys, am I dumb ? I can't find the plater profile on wowhead

[nova kelp]

THE plater profile

THE one

which one?

[glad ferry]

Idk, i changed my pc and I lost one of the plater profiles i had taken from the wowhead guide a while back

I can't seem to find them

[strange python]

PI on us is good at one arm in 30%?

[nova kelp]

there's probably better options

[glad ferry]

Thanks, very helpful

[nova kelp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[nova kelp]

there's a couple of platers on here, that are probably common picks, but honestly, there's SO MANY plater profiles it's basically impossible to tell you what you HAD

you'd need to have some guidance to go on

[glad ferry]

It was ceverion's, thanks

[devout mirage]

!whispyr

[gloomy heart]

im coping on m+ st till its actually good

[runic hinge]

It won’t be good unless they buff mut and ambush some more

Maybe rupture too

[gloomy heart]

i like bleed build but i think kb would just do more ST

[spice spire]

Kb does fuck all

[runic hinge]

Kb doesn’t do shit

[gloomy heart]

just coping away

[runic hinge]

Taking kb I think sims even less ST

[gloomy heart]

blood dk skillz

[runic hinge]

Plus without DTB you don’t stack it for shit

[gloomy heart]

yeah idk i only do 1-1.2M boss dps some tanks dunk on me

unless its aoe fights

like tonks

[runic hinge]

Yeah that’s just assa

[worldly tinsel]

Trying to crack higher dps and know that CS should be higher, but not sure what I'm doing wrong; any ideas on what to look for? This is a snapshot from an 11 TOP I just did and only getting 2.61m at 670 ilvl:

[runic hinge]

670? Damn

[rotund oak]

top must be one of the worst keys for sin btw

or at least thats what im getting

[desert spire]

On M bandit is it better to sit the boss, when the adds come out or swap to the adds?

[gloomy heart]

Go bleed build

[worldly tinsel]

specifically for TOP or just in general?

[gloomy heart]

In general it just does more i believe

Sudden demise does insane damage

[rotund oak]

if u arent already bleeding them out u are trolling and even if u do its just the key that doesnt fit the spec

no much density and several mobs/minibosses with high hp for prio dmg

maybe sub is just better there

or even pirate

[worldly tinsel]

I'd love to play pirate but s1 made me reform :/, now I feel like my gear is mostly committed

[rotund oak]

can undestand that,outlaw is also atrocious this time around

[worldly tinsel]

I thought it was at least competitive this season?

[rotund oak]

atrocious as in how it feels to play

in terms of dmg in ST kinda fine

[worldly tinsel]

ahh

[rotund oak]

cant imagine playing a spec with haste breakpoint,no thx

[charred mango]

Im sure it gets asked a ton but for bosses with short lived adds (stix/OAB/gally) is it worth throwing out a rupture on an add or is that a waste of a finisher on the main target to use a mark stack?

[dusk fox]

why is haste simming so high for me? im at 16-17% and it raidbots wants me to swap all my gems to haste. this is on 6min patch

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eNdxukWMW85TgokWmEXugJ

[nova kelp]

because haste is good and you don't currently have a lot of it?

wait

16% is a fair chunk

idk

haste is good

I think the VV build will push you towards it a bit just coz of nrg woes

[dusk fox]

yeah lol i think its solid but thought i was getting on the higher end.

[sudden brook]

vv wants haste

[dusk fox]

vv? sorry not familiar

[golden loom]

Viscious venoms

[sudden brook]

u also don't have "select all unique gems"

[nova kelp]

viscous venoms, coz they THICC

[sudden brook]

So its just saying to go all haste gems

[neat flame]

bruv i saw you in dornogal today, your gally loot is primo

[dusk fox]

seen him too lol i peep'd gear as well lol

[nova kelp]

although NOT having the unique things for gem colours is also a relatively decent way to impress that the sim is leaning towards haste

[sudden brook]

Yeah my rogue was like, undergeared as fuck

Then I got eye + jasters from vault

G

G

[nova kelp]

my bigger irk that I'm looking at here is the fact that you have 2 crafted daggers and a hero neck

PERSONALLY I'd have opted for a crafted neck than an offhand

but each to their own

[dusk fox]

sim'd it and dagger came out way higher

guild doesnt want to do rik again

lol

[nova kelp]

your OFFHAND out paced a neck craft?

wild

[dusk fox]

yes by a large margin

[neat flame]

speaking of vault: do I take a ring that i wont use but might be interesting later (crit haste, myth track) or take some coins to buy a socket, my other choices are dog water

[nova kelp]

that feels weird

[sudden brook]

[rotund oak]

why would it be interesting to take if u wont use later?

[dusk fox]

where is the option for unique only gems? maybe im blind

[sudden brook]

probs jus take the socket

[rocky sluice]

does anyone have the string where I can add all crafted gear in top gear for siming

[neat flame]

i wont use now, but idk maybe later if i change up other gear

[neat flame]

sadge but ok thats what i was thinking

[sudden brook]

gotta take sockets evetually

[rotund oak]

i think if u are into any gains u are socket pov

but its up to you 🙂

[nova kelp]

I'm still confused lol, if I sim myself with a crafted dagger offhand it wins out over the new champ dagger from the radiant boys by like 5k luls

I'll probs opt for upgrading my other gear before bothering

[neat flame]

I'm using the wicks ring myth track from vault because I've had two weeks back to back that are pretty dog water. the haste/vers actually sims well with bleed build (i primarily play M+), but I wonder if I'll ever want to drop haste/vers for something else

[rotund oak]

dagger has embelishment?

[sudden brook]

take the socket

U probs need to buy 3 sockets this tier so

Sucks but is what itis

[nova kelp]

nah just the sim earlier had 2 crafted daggers, and I'd have thought a crafted neck would out pace the opted second dagger
but apparently their sim had the dagger win by a fair margin so I thought I'd have a quick sim

Champ dagger all the way to a 275 was minimal, so idk, weird sim stuff

[neat flame]

this hurts to read but i know you speak the truth

[sudden brook]

yeh

is what it is

I took 2 sockets on prog

was brutal

[rotund oak]

sounds special ngl

[nova kelp]

I mean, if you're in a guild where your prog is already over I guess your vaults are wild important

since your progs going to be over by the time most peeps are past stix

I'll be nearly running out of possible upgrades by the time I drop gally

so I got time

not that vaults give me anything worthwhile anyway

[coral ibex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[solar wyvern]

Its in the tc-research channel pins

Also hi tetra !

[storm hedge]

yes atm, check the pins

[native heron]

Is anyone running the bleed build in high m+ atm?

[final star]

Not a lore knower smh

[sly jacinth]

Imagine not knowing kpb

[rotund oak]

bro doesnt know love

[brave comet]

18% buff?

[dreamy rover]

ffs explain dude

[nova kelp]

the bug with people getting rank 20 renown

[storm hedge]

I popped off on stix yesterday apparently.

[runic hinge]

Real

[final star]

I think it speaks for itself

[runic hinge]

[dreamy rover]

@balmy condor hey

i want to better understand the spec

what exactly does the 30% lingering darkness buff

only our poisons?

envenom?

uhh yhea

envenom

ok

my bad i have issues reading

[sudden brook]

https://tenor.com/view/cozy-warm-and-cozy-bedtime-puppy-good-morning-gif-6453602115571297343

[balmy condor]

All nature damage

[dreamy rover]

yhea i know

but i was trying to figure out what nature damage we deal

[dawn seal]

hello team

how are u doing today ?

[balmy condor]

Anything green

[dreamy rover]

so it buffs my thistle tea damage

[balmy condor]

Vicious venoms

Envenom

Poison bomb

Kingsbane

[sudden brook]

kb

[balmy condor]

Poisons

[dreamy rover]

im starting to understand the spec

[dawn seal]

is it possible to get a key log review

[dreamy rover]

sadly kb will never be buffed by lingering darkness

unless

[dawn seal]

I am %100 sure I suck at st so much

[balmy condor]

?????

[dawn seal]

like I do perform omega bad

[dreamy rover]

after deathmark expires

is after kingsbane has ran out

no?

[rigid sphinx]

Kinda thought the same lol

[dreamy rover]

[balmy condor]

Yeah but if you do manage to kb during lingering it would be buffed

[dawn seal]

hello aphelios

[balmy condor]

It’s nature damage

[dreamy rover]

oh yhea

for sure

[dawn seal]

I have question how does koffing has a meow tag in its name how do I get one

[past zenith]

hello, rogue noob here, is there a reason im not getting deathstalker's mark back on the target with a 7cp envenom + darkest night?

[dawn seal]

[dreamy rover]

discord guilds

look it up O_O

[dawn seal]

oh

oh can someone get me in a cool discord guild

[golden loom]

idk if the bug still exists where sometimes u kill the mob with the DN envenom and u lose mark

or it dies as u cast it or smthin smthin

[rigid sphinx]

No bugs in wow

[past zenith]

oh i see

thanks for the reply

[fervent relic]

!sniping

[subtle tundra]

i AMSJKfdi FUCKING MEAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[red schooner]

Standard varas behaviour

[dawn seal]

oooo varas are u okay ?

[urban anvil]

Hi guys. Is sin rogues st still bad in m+ like it was in s1?

[cerulean walrus]

[dreamy rover]

insanely bad

[red schooner]

Ye pretty much

But, we melt shit in aoe so it's fine

[urban anvil]

Its fine in raid right?

[subtle tundra]

NO I HAVENT BEEN IN SO LONG

[cerulean walrus]

Its fantastic in raid

[red schooner]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

MEDIOCRE IN RAID

atleast i was

[urban anvil]

Bleed vs poison build any difference in st?

In m+

[cerulean walrus]

Just go bleed build

[subtle tundra]

no

[cerulean walrus]

And forget about it

[red schooner]

Bleed is a tiny bit higher but like, it's still not good

st in keys ain't your job

[subtle tundra]

its the tanks job

or healers

[red schooner]

If only I could then sleep in keys

[rotund oak]

yeah dont touch it

sucks hard

[urban anvil]

Sin rogues are good in m+

[subtle tundra]

not wrong

[urban anvil]

Just asking about st dmg

[subtle tundra]

shringle target is...

[rotund oak]

ST target is mediocre

if we are past trolling

but overall sin pumps like a mfk@r

[red schooner]

Yeah it ain't like we're doing tank damage, but we ain't brought for our st capability either

Overall we do good though

[static glacier]

@balmy condor i've just been simming 1t patchwerk but Im wondering if there's a way to sim mugzee or bandit style intermitent 2t with a short lived 2nd add effectively?

[hollow saddle]

Dno im strugglin hard in ST. Doing like 4-5m overall. But I end up lower than tank on Bosses.

[violet plaza]

^ I feel ya

[dawn seal]

oh man do u know why varas

[violet plaza]

anything st is awful

[dawn seal]

its cuz u havent done a pogger log review for ur fav student

[static glacier]

that's normal tbh

don't feel bad about it

[red schooner]

I dunno you shouldn't be under tank in pure ST

Like, our st isn't great but it's not sub tank bad

[violet plaza]

not literally under the tank, but not far off :p

[balmy condor]

that's just cleave add no

[static glacier]

will try ty

not familiar with fight styles anymore, forgot

seems it's add uptime for 60% of the fight idk if it dies often but should work well enough

[vivid dune]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hollow saddle]

Im so ambivalent, i blast and love it. Then im on bosses and feel like im ruining key for everyone lol.

[subtle tundra]

do you have a ww log?

never done a ww log review, not like im good at it

[hollow saddle]

Does sudden demise funnel in to singular focus?

[balmy condor]

no

[red schooner]

Nah we all have our roles to play and we do very good overall so it balances out

[grim jay]

If you feel THAT bad on ST, then maybe you are doing something wrong or assign wrong values.

[hollow saddle]

Guess im just tilted that i have a very good UH DK friend, that manage more everywhere 😅

I mean u cant really fuck up ST bleed build as far as i understand.

[subtle tundra]

sometimes some specs are just better

thats how balancing goes

[grim jay]

There are some things

[subtle tundra]

like crimsoning the tempest

[grim jay]

Or sanguining the blades

[hollow saddle]

Just keep all bleeds up, and use the crit buff with cds.

[subtle tundra]

the what buff

[hollow saddle]

Aint it that simple.

[grim jay]

And stay above 50%

Energy

[balmy condor]

stay above 50% my 0.2%

[red schooner]

Maybe master assassin

[hollow saddle]

Yeah

[subtle tundra]

yeah but thats not bleed related

[grim jay]

If you ditch all the 0.2%..

[balmy condor]

and then people stay above 50% during shiv and afk during shiv and lose like 2% damage

[subtle tundra]

thats on all versions of the spec, using vanish

[balmy condor]

I honestly probably shouldn't have mentioned the sanguine stuff

[subtle tundra]

ok loser

nvm

[static glacier]

highkey sang optimisation actually isn't worth it

[balmy condor]

there's people legit just fucking afking during deathmark because muh 50%

and that is NOT how that works

[grim jay]

Its worth 0.2%

[static glacier]

people end up griefing other rules like sending DN ASAP

[balmy condor]

yeah

[grim jay]

If you do it right, which isnt hard

[static glacier]

you're not understanding my point

people don't do it right

[balmy condor]

it's very easy to just not do it properly

[grim jay]

Thats a them issue

For dismissing overall rules

[balmy condor]

which given the average knowledge of a spec player

is insanely likely

[static glacier]

homie we have people green parsing the current raid iteration of sin

[subtle tundra]

the average player doesnt manage mark, forgets caustic

[hollow saddle]

If its 0.2% diffrence its better to energydump anyway. Since u might have to reposition on boss and then you are regen abit for Free, no?

[static glacier]

we're litterally at old combat rogue levels of complexity

[grim jay]

Funfact there always will be people green parsing

Because thats how parses work

[static glacier]

and people fuck it up

[subtle tundra]

HEY MAN. DONT BRING UP LOGIC

STATISTICS ARENT REAL

FUCK OFF

[balmy condor]

I mean these are the same people that wonder why caustic only triggers sometimes because they don't know the difference between poison bomb and caustic

[static glacier]

xd

[balmy condor]

so

[grim jay]

Caustic bomb?

[balmy condor]

I honestly should've just kept my mouth shut tbh

[static glacier]

well reasoning for a parse are varied but im talking about misplays more than being dead or borked gear

[grim jay]

Just hide that stuff in a channel for certified sin enjoyers

[balmy condor]

[hollow saddle]

Tbh just bring 3x priests. For big PI uptime. Solved our ST issue

[balmy condor]

surely

[midnight mist]

i green parsed

[grim jay]

Zacssination green parsed?

[midnight mist]

nvm that was on outlaw

[balmy condor]

I actually wonder now

[midnight mist]

sin was blue actually

[balmy condor]

what the difference is

between 1 pi and 3

[midnight mist]

2 pis

[balmy condor]

true actually

[grim jay]

Basic math

Smh my head

[midnight mist]

which would be about 6.28 then

[grim jay]

What

[midnight mist]

what

[grim jay]

Time to sim the value of PI during execute without DM/ only KB and without any CDs, only shiv

[balmy condor]

ah wait

does the APL even work

with extra PI's

[grim jay]

Probably not

[midnight mist]

why is there no new pin here

its been 10 days

[balmy condor]

nothing changed

[midnight mist]

so?

[red schooner]

Ye but surely you can cook up some 0.1% trick

For the content

[midnight mist]

ye idk?

new vid for the pookies and shit ?

idk??

[grim jay]

Whispyr of no new pins

[tranquil goblet]

Hi quick Q about the APL:
When running the line

actions.direct+=/envenom,if=buff.darkest_night.up&effective_combo_points>=cp_max_spend

Is effective combo points resolving to actual CP count + 2 if supercharged up? (effectively allowing spending at 5 + Supercharged for DN)

[hollow saddle]

Opposite to assassin is dickdickout. The more you know.

[midnight mist]

effective combo points

[balmy condor]

yes, and that only exists the way it does because it doesn't matter enough for me to give enough of a shit to change it

was margin of error

[midnight mist]

you sure

thought it didnt incluide the new er

was just old er

[balmy condor]

[midnight mist]

idk

im not sure

[balmy condor]

yeah I don't think you know either

[tranquil goblet]

is the display under the sample sequence then also taking that into account or

[midnight mist]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tranquil goblet]

presumably not? since otherwise Kingsbane's input would have to be happening minimum 3 CP right

since Supercharged = 2 and Shiv minimum 1

[balmy condor]

what

it consumed darkest night with an envenom at 5/7 there

I don't get the question