#assassination

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sturdy python
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that's why I mentioned it

balmy condor
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we know this right

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it's one slot sims

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not combinations

sturdy python
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I had no idea about that

balmy condor
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well it's a trinket comparison

sturdy python
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Anyway I always take it with a pinch of salt

balmy condor
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how do you think it compares

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when it's only 1 trinket

viscid spear
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But I'm one of them Enkident

sturdy python
jaunty hill
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It looks at the Pictures and descides wich is prettier of course

balmy condor
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it adds a stat stick

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that's how

sturdy python
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TIL

balmy condor
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but yes

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this is why bis lists and shit

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doesn't matter

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and we sim ourselves

jaunty hill
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Fuck bis lists

balmy condor
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amen

viscid spear
sturdy python
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loool

subtle tundra
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bring back stat sticks..

jaunty hill
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Yeah bring back Arcano Gigacristal

viscid spear
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I should've known, Kezan is a location from Cataclysm. dead

subtle tundra
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guys theres mold in the core of my apple

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what do i do

golden loom
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throw it away?

jaunty hill
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Burn it with fire

subtle tundra
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but tasty aple

jaunty hill
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BURN IT

harsh ravine
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hi, any idea on why my kingsbane does more damage when I rupture & garrots instead of casting envenom for the last 6 sec ? (envenom buff still running) (I have always 5 rupture stacks during all the kb)

balmy condor
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because it's rng

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also garrote can apply poisons

viscid spear
subtle tundra
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i ated it...

balmy condor
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so I'm not sure what exactly you think the difference is

jaunty hill
harsh ravine
balmy condor
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ok

subtle tundra
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you know envenom doesnt increase kb dmg

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poison procs do

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and its capped, so after a point doesnt increase

solar wyvern
balmy condor
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what you cast during envenom doesn't matter

solar wyvern
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You're experiencing crit rng

balmy condor
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you either cast envenom, which applies poisons

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or you cast something else, which also applies poisons

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90% of your poison applications during kingsbane are coming from auto attacks

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so like

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it's rng

viscid spear
subtle tundra
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well

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why

viscid spear
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I don't get the Mutilate crit

harsh ravine
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mmmh okok, then I am getting extremely lucky, I almost always get 14M kb if I apply rupture to new targets mid kb, and I get 12M if I don't (always having 5 stacks too), crit I guess

subtle tundra
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maybe show some examples

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if youre so confused

harsh ravine
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I don't have clips with me right now

subtle tundra
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logs?

balmy condor
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clips won't help KEKW

harsh ravine
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it's on keys, not logged either

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I can log it

balmy condor
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then log them

solar wyvern
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(this is inconsequential and doesn't change much)

subtle tundra
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why you swappin'

solar wyvern
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I was told kill add so i go and kill add

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I am good soldier

fathom minnow
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guys i feel i got scammed
it says only energy regen and attack speed.

Does haste speeds up fucking bleed/poison ticks or not?

solar wyvern
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I think once my guild gets more familiar i just spatter off boss

solar wyvern
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But we only did a couple hours of prog and we wanted to just get through p1 (we almost did)

subtle tundra
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first adds should really not be a problem

viscid spear
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Adds? You guys are saying all this Mythic Raider mumbo jumbo

subtle tundra
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it doesnt matter... nothing does

spice surge
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Ideally you shouldnt be swapping your mark anyway

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Just rupture technician, hit boss Surebud

viscid spear
solar wyvern
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24 wipes haha

spice surge
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Idk you should have enough to kill it in time anyway, but you do you

solar wyvern
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Yeah i think it was just a first night lets over index on the mechanics and priorities kinda thing

novel swallow
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recommend adding that this is the only time you use it to the text. only realized that from your previous comment here

balmy condor
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reasonable request

viscid spear
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I was just behind our Warrior last night in damage, despite him having 6 ilvls on me and I not having my two crafted pieces that were made after raid.

novel swallow
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expanding on that - i guess you also only use it at max stacks during lingering darkness, or right before it wears off if you didnt get max stacks

balmy condor
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well you should just always burn your stacks at some point during it

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doesn't really matter when

novel swallow
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yes but ideally with max stacks - no?

balmy condor
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doesn't matter

novel swallow
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how?

loud hearth
# balmy condor

Is it better to also use during the end of the first Lingering Darkness window (e.g. ~40s), or to save first use until 2nd Lingering Darkness window (e.g. 2:30) ?

balmy condor
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like think of it over the course of 7 minutes, you get 4 lingering darkness windows right

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0:30, 2:30, 4:30, 6:30

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you cast it in the first with like whatever stacks like fucking 10 or who cares

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next window comes up 2 min later

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you're at 23 maybe

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you burn it back

loud hearth
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Easy days

balmy condor
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4:30 comes around, you're at 25 this time

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you burn

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etc etc

subtle tundra
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meaw

novel swallow
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ok but if you instead used it at 30 every time it must be higher damage

balmy condor
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you never overcap stacks

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you're using the same stacks

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it's damage per charge

loud hearth
nova aspen
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meow?

subtle tundra
balmy condor
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as long as you aren't overcapping on charges, you're doing the same damage

spice surge
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It also doesnt really do that much damage, it ends up at barely 2% of your damage overall with the lingering stuff

balmy condor
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and it takes more than 2 minutes to fully stack

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so you're just never hitting 30

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and never overcapping

subtle tundra
balmy condor
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and thus being 100% efficient

balmy condor
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they got obliterated this expansion

viscid spear
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Should I craft more gear? ApuStruggling

subtle tundra
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i rember using trinkets and seeing like 5% from one

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and not even abusing some bs

balmy condor
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embellishments and trinkets in general

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item effects as a whole giga suck

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to make room for hero talent damage

spice surge
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Upgrading my belt was the same amount of damage increase as upgrading my trinket this tier

novel swallow
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ok its true unless you hit 30 before lingering darkness comes up

balmy condor
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yeah

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which you won't

novel swallow
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roger

sturdy stirrup
spice surge
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I think the best example is that the S4 embellishments from dragonflight are numerically stronger than the ones we have right now. Not like percentage wise, they just flatout give more stats than the ones we have rn

golden loom
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lmao we had to run out to get the final 1% of count after final boss

wheat patio
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shud i set my loot specialization to sin before i open vault

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or it does not matter

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i main sub but i am planning to make the switch to sin

elfin flame
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does plague damage fall under the category of magic? like is it buffed by chaos brand?

elfin flame
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and outlaw is the opposite

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so no diff

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between sin/sub

coral ibex
elfin flame
real pike
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this any good against mech bosses in the raid?

viscid spear
coral ibex
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nah that item is pure ass tbh

real pike
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good

bitter imp
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hey guys what should be my first dmg source in m+? spatter or crimson tempest?

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thanks

lean plover
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Depends on build

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Bleed ct for sure

bitter imp
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my dmg too low on a random 10

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sometimes i skyrocket

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some runs im shiet

lean plover
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For hybrid spattee

bitter imp
strange jacinth
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more sanguine blades uptime?

coral ibex
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how is your sanguine so low

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are you not spreading bleeds

bitter imp
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not manually

coral ibex
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you should have infinite energy in aoe pulls

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it just makes no sense

strange jacinth
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try to get more uptime on sanguine blades for sure

bitter imp
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so more energy management

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above 50%

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or just spread garotte on aoe manually etc

coral ibex
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there's no management required in an aoe pull

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you should just have enough bleeds out from carnage

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it looks like you are doing one garrote and rupture and thats it

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just from how low they are

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you should have a minimum of 5 ruptures out

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on any aoe pull

bitter imp
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sorry kinda new to assa specially in m+ content

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i think my ct and rapture always up

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on targets

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but garotte isnt

coral ibex
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if rupture is lower than envenom and you're playing the bleed build then no

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rupture is definitely not always up

bitter imp
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ok

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so i need to double cast rapture to 45 sec

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for it to spread

coral ibex
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no

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!carnage

prisma monolithBOT
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Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

  • The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
  • You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

coral ibex
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your bleeds spread for 12 seconds after stealth

strange jacinth
bitter imp
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ok

coral ibex
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if you have DN you can open an aoe pack with gar > gar > rup > rup > which will get you 5 bleeds out

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and then you can go from there

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either spread more bleeds or not depending on the pack size

rough osprey
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Hello. Im new to assasination rogue and since the bleed build is geting popular and on logs/archon all the top keys go for hyprid just wanted to ask is hyprid a lot better or what is the case? I think im performing better on bleed build since sometimes i fail on KB window due to lack of energy or having to wait to deathmark and KB align after not using KB on 60 second mark. I can fix that with playing some keys and doing that better but just asking. Only thing with bleed build that i dont like is that im going for a bit more haste and it will reflect in raiding where i dont want haste that much. Thanks for answering!

lean plover
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Haste is good on raid tho

viscid spear
eager pond
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Not myth but hey, its the trinket

hollow river
hollow river
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its better and honestly easier to learn if you're just getting started imo

spice spire
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How about I try you mister notrickz blushies

stable cove
rough osprey
# coral ibex

I have seen it already and he says the build has potential in higher keys

keen spruce
spice surge
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"higher keys" in this context is 17+

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Not like 10+

keen spruce
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and only some of the +17s

spice surge
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(ie the hybrid/forced induction ones get better at that level allegedly)

patent iron
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are there any incoming rogue changes?

inland escarp
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🔮

stable cove
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Can you tell the level of someone’s loyal customer buff on logs??

midnight mist
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ye reverse engineer how much damage a spell is supposed to do based on their stats

cosmic robin
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Does Indiscriminate Carnage auto apply to targets w/o rupture?

midnight mist
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ye

wet roost
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Is there a guideline for stats with Bleed build in M+?

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I feel like i lack haste while fighting bosses

subtle tundra
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no you dont, you dont feel haste

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sim yourself

wet roost
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thanks bro

loud hearth
lean plover
wet roost
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ahh okey didnt really know that

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switched from sub rogue few days ago cuz i got sick of doing no dmg after using burst

iron lynx
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Sin has burst windows too

iron vapor
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You're going to be energy starved, but that's fine

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It's just the spec

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As long as all your DOTs are ticking and you're putting in envenoms you're doing decent damage

wet roost
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thanks for the help guys

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got another question, in workshop the first boss which is a double boss

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do you keep using garrote on both of them? or only maintain it on main target

nova aspen
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both

iron vapor
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You can do both easily

rustic zealot
iron vapor
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And you should do both, it's easy free damage

humble verge
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holy bonkers, i got 200 euro in customer dividends from my bank

molten galleon
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You guys are Hardswapping on Mythic Bandit onto adds or just cleave/bleeds?

spice surge
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you cant really hardswap effectively as assa

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So no its mostly a rupture on one of them and cleave from the boss

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Similar to the rik situation

molten galleon
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kk

wide flame
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I assume for the energy refund?

rotund oak
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also,does gushing wounds benefit from mastery?

spice surge
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Afaik void ritual for literally every spec in the entire game

sudden brook
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DSM DN

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But yeah

silent compass
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Hey! After a total of 4 days of playtime i finally reached 668, what should aim for now? I also feel like my base HP is lower then other classes, is this normal for rogue?

sudden brook
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Rupturing oab and stix adds is good

sudden brook
royal lantern
silent compass
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Ooh so its normal

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I was wondering why i had 1m less hp than ppl at my own ILVL

royal lantern
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tbf, hunters/warlocks just get 300% stamina for free

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so it looks funny in comparison

silent compass
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Also i have 2542 Rio score but i cant seem to get invited to +10 dungeons as well, should i try to push 3k?

indigo mulch
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You should prob sit around 2.7~2.8k thats when i started getting invited to 10's ;s

brisk forge
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Well do w/e u want

sudden brook
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I think it's more your ilvl than io

silent compass
sudden brook
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U also should remember any time u app to a key u gotta deal with 30+ other dps at the same time

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Like I'm 674 ilvl

brisk forge
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Not to mention rogue isn’t meta

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Which makes it way harder

silent compass
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Used to play mage but thought it was boring.. Tbh rogue is the most fun i get rn

sudden brook
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Yeah rogue is fun

rotund oak
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compared to mage rogue is torture

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but if u like it 😉

sudden brook
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What

rotund oak
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that

silent compass
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I def do, not used to melee but got used to it after 2 days or so

rotund oak
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yup,ive been playing rogue since the start,playing mage for like 2nd season but still doing some casual stuff on rogue

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mage is way more fun

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its personal preference i believe

vagrant lagoon
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think i been maxing myth dungeon vault since week 1 and still 668 :/

silent compass
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We cant get myth items unless its vault right?

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Or mythic raid*

lean plover
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Well getting 668 items from myth raid helps

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rather than having 658 hc items

vagrant lagoon
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yea pugging myth raid is hell tho

rotund oak
sudden brook
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Yeah, crafting, mythic raid, vault

silent compass
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Not good w gold so only managed to craft 3

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Gonna craft 2. dagger when i have more

rotund oak
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u should have prio'd dagger tbh

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its the single most important upgrade

silent compass
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  1. dagger?
rotund oak
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ah 2nd dagger

balmy condor
rotund oak
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2nd dagger not rly no

silent compass
balmy condor
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Most useless gear slot in the game

silent compass
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I was gonna craft it today cuz i was sitting with a 658 dagger for a while

royal lantern
silent compass
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Ohh got it

balmy condor
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Offhand daggers don’t count for ability damage

royal lantern
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it does nothing beyond the secondary stats really

balmy condor
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And the stats are horrid

royal lantern
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mainhand? most important slot

offhand? least important

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literally EVERYTHING goes before offhand

silent compass
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Shouldnt have crafted enhant for it i guess

rotund oak
indigo mulch
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Isen't the corruption enchants weeks away? :S

rotund oak
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according to what we know still,coz ppl on research know stuff

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or maybe i shoudl ask fuu

gusty mirage
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Surely nothing gets tuned in the next month

indigo mulch
rotund oak
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ok ik its stupid,i got anxious

sacred schooner
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seaforium is a loss for some reason compared to algari\amp 😦

gusty mirage
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Does it throw your mastery out of whack

sacred schooner
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nope even with mastery flast still the same

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flask*

gusty mirage
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Hm that is strange

sacred schooner
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current signet+amp

spice spire
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Wait

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Mastery flaskhm

gusty mirage
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Probably needs it to guarantee priory

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Don’t fuckin judge

spice spire
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So when you potion you get every stat but Mastery

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??

sacred schooner
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i just tried to sim mastery flask as well, same result

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i run chaos ofc

spice spire
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Oh gotcha

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I was like hold

sacred schooner
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yeah my bad had to specify

spice spire
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No worries

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Let’s see the sim

spice surge
sacred schooner
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sec 🙂

spice surge
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Idk why they even bothered with the corruption shit since its just gonna be an incredibly watered down version of what we had in BFA

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People are gonna be like "POG twilight dev" and then realize it now does 3% of their damage instead of 30%

sudden brook
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Cuz it's a 0.5 patch and it needs power

spice surge
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1 month after the .5 patch even garf_sit

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Probably longer for the greater versions

spice spire
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Because it’s a 0.7 patch and it needs power

indigo sphinx
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Gotta put something mandatory to keep you playing or else you're behind for the start of next patch wesmart

sacred schooner
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they will not transfer to next patch

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;x this enchants

indigo sphinx
spice surge
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I'd assume theyll be usable next patch t oo

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Just like the helmet enchant in amirdrassil was usable in s4

sacred schooner
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sec i'll find where i saw that one

spice spire
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That’s just a theory tho

gray pecan
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hey

spice spire
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Someone smarter than I can probably tell you exactly why Shruge

gray pecan
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sry rogue assa will be better now on m+ or raid st or hunter mm? i have problem 😄

spice surge
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I mean its as simple as 675 bigger number than 658

gusty mirage
sacred schooner
warm vortex
spice surge
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Lmao

gusty mirage
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I miss old echoing void on PTR

warm vortex
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Funny cause i crafted a weapon yesterday, should have waited but tbh idk
Double high ilevel weps poggies

gusty mirage
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When people ran 5 tank keys

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And just pulled the entire dungeon and let EV delete everything

spice spire
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Buddy they still can it’s just bdk meta

gusty mirage
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Nah old EV was HP based

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It was a % of your HP

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Lasted one whole fucking week like that on PTR lmao

sacred schooner
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just a mem, i expect it to be like enchant from raid in df

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as well

rotund oak
gusty mirage
brisk forge
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what would u guys do? 😛

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is top trinket actually best in m+ or a bit of bait?

sacred schooner
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you sim with raid buffs

spice spire
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I actually have a question - and assume that this will be better to be answered by @balmy condor - crit I assume is losing prio in bleed build due to fok rules I’d assume yeah?

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Idk who else would

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It’s the same bit as earlier with wildray

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Where pacemaker just sims worse

frank trench
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On vexie heroic is the play to hold deathmark and kingsbane until the armor drop?

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For the lust and the dam pot

sacred schooner
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you can send kb hold mark

spice spire
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Depends how long it takes smiledoge

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But if you’re not aping

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Yeah send kb hold mark

frank trench
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We are at this awkward dps spot where armor drops like 8-10 seconds before mark up again

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And I’m chasing parse

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🙂

marble nebula
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hey my stealthy brothers, does someone have some advice for caustic spatter / bleeds in raid? idk where i should stand for optimal fan of knifes + caustic spatter and also where it is worth to apply bleeds

spice surge
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Well the debuff on the boss is 45 seconds long

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So if the armor drops 10 seconds before its fine

zenith smelt
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is Dungeon slice best for siming mytic+ or 5 bosses 1 min?

coral ibex
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does it make sense that this catalyst swap would be a 75k gain in ST for me? im wondering what the robot is cooking

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i have a ton of crit and mastery already

spice surge
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You dont have 4p equipped

whole stratus
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4 set

coral ibex
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dear lord

fallow canopy
coral ibex
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how did this happen

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i had 5p

hidden bay
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ill just say it

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are you dumb?????????

coral ibex
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wow i was TROLLING last night

hidden bay
whole stratus
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Pick this in top gear so it doesnt happen again 😄

marble nebula
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hey my stealthy brothers, does someone have some advice for caustic spatter / bleeds in raid? idk where i should stand for optimal fan of knifes + caustic spatter and also where it is worth to apply bleeds

golden loom
hidden bay
coral ibex
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ohhhh i got the off piece helmet in the vault and the shoulders in raid and equipped them at the same time

nova aspen
coral ibex
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i'm so cooked

marble nebula
nova aspen
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!fok

prisma monolithBOT
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

golden loom
sharp viper
silent compass
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I know its minor but which one do you all think is better?

lean plover
silent compass
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Makes sense, thanks 🙂

spice spire
errant swallow
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Good morning my fellow assassins

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Is it safe to open vault now?

sacred schooner
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dunno i opened mine today and had zero problem with it

errant swallow
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Alright, thank you.

sacred schooner
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so most likely its not that common

spice spire
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Ye fix was 7 PDT

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So you’re safe now

misty holly
spice spire
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Huge

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I’m finally getting tier that I’ve been yearning for

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If jastor doesn’t drop tn we craft ring and chuckle for vault the rest of the season

subtle tundra
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stupid chungus drops

keen spruce
keen spruce
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for a few days

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gotta let the flavor develop

spice spire
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9 pm marinating worked for me this season

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Got both trinkets already and haven’t been SAD once

keen spruce
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my friend just took me through a truely demonic 7am leg workout

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and i think i'm gonna go back to bed

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until tomorrow

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i might shid my pants and vom

sharp viper
keen spruce
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we do wednesday morning workouts

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cuz he has a baby at home and it's the only time he can get away

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cuz his mom watches the bb

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I thought we were doing pull day

sharp viper
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but who watches you, babe?

keen spruce
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but i forgot that i agreed to do legs

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last week

keen spruce
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I'm unsupervised

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how do u think i got so feral

sharp viper
keen spruce
sharp viper
spice spire
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9 pm demonic leg days hit for the next 3 days

torpid sparrow
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rip:'(

keen spruce
sharp viper
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huge logs

keen spruce
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1st place out of 1 baby

agile geode
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
warm vortex
#

So happy I’m not rogue this tier
Still think it’s BS some mobs just don’t care you have stealth

Not talking abt true sight btw, moreso talking abt stuff like the mines in ML that just unstealth you for shits and giggles

midnight mist
keen spruce
viscid spear
#

Druid

outer kernel
#

hey guys got a question about Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet
should i wait for that 30 stacks or just use it when rdy?

woven ruin
#

When are people replacing the circlet?

shy creek
#

Its ilvl 700 or so value so we are not

digital venture
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
royal python
#

Any idea why my envenom buff drops off before it should ?

coral ibex
#

its a bug

scarlet wyvern
#

anybody who is using Hekili with Assa, do you enable the "Funnel Priority" option in the settings?

royal lantern
#

delete hekilli and forget it exists

scarlet wyvern
#

i like to delete my brain and just hammer buttons

#

still doing more dps than meta classes xD

keen spruce
#

What does the funnel priority setting do

muted agate
#

Having a rough time with my ST in M+ with the bleed builld. Just did a 12 CB and my dam was very rough during boss fights. Any tips on a ST variation to my rotation??

keen spruce
keen spruce
#

just is what it is

scarlet wyvern
royal lantern
scarlet wyvern
#

supported specs: Assa, Sub, Enha, Destro

royal lantern
#

and like, im only half joking

coral ibex
#

don't use hekili

scarlet wyvern
#

i know but i am now so used with hekili i dont want to rehearse my spec again to think when what to use

keen spruce
coral ibex
#

its bad

keen spruce
#

there's no flexibility in finisher logic

#

with assas

scarlet wyvern
#

i still blast 20m+ dps its not a bad thing to use hekili

royal lantern
keen spruce
#

you're either maintaining CT or you're using envenom

coral ibex
#

20m+ dps

#

wow

#

you're doing next expansion numbers dude

keen spruce
#

or refreshing bleeds

scarlet wyvern
#

i mean pull with me Brew or Prio key i give you 20m aoe

spice spire
scarlet wyvern
keen spruce
#

so it shouldn't matter

scarlet wyvern
#

i see

#

thanks!

keen spruce
#

but also don't use hekili KEKPog

wary light
scarlet wyvern
#

hekili slave

wary light
#

If you can hekili and purple+ log in myth then you're gucci

coral ibex
#

i guess i just suck because i need a pretty huge pull to hit 20m

#

if i install hekili i'll be doing 20m on 8 mob pulls?

scarlet wyvern
#

more

wary light
#

On massive pulls would you guys get your first big IC set of ruptured and garrotes off and then use a vanish charge to spread some more quick ruptures to more targets or nah?

scarlet wyvern
#

8 is like 6-8m

coral ibex
#

no kidding

scarlet wyvern
#

yea

coral ibex
#

so i guess saying you can do 20m is more of an outlier

runic hinge
#

Hekili needs to get me doing 69 million dps for me to use it

scarlet wyvern
#

ez

coral ibex
#

yea bro i do that every time

#

thats just how assa works

scarlet wyvern
#

yeah thats the point 😄

coral ibex
#

those pulls are enormous

gray pecan
#

sry rogue assa will be better now on m+ or raid st or hunter mm? i have problem 😄

coral ibex
#

there's no skill in pressing CT with 25 mobs

scarlet wyvern
#

Hunter MM is slightly stronger

keen spruce
#

it's the hekili paradox. If a spec is as simple as assas, then there's no benefit to using hekili because it's so simple to just hit the right buttons

If a spec is complicated, then hekili is almost certainly broken and doesn't give you the right information anwyays.

So it's either pointless or useless KEK

scarlet wyvern
#

yeah but hekili has the most optimization on assa and outlaw of all classes

#

but still if i feel comfortable with it why not

keen spruce
#

but assas is so simple that you're also not going to grief yourself using it

scarlet wyvern
#

it doesnt make a player without hekili automatically superior to me 😄

coral ibex
#

i mean

scarlet wyvern
#

i comfortably play +16s like this so i dont really mind tbh

coral ibex
#

someone not using hekili has more brain power available to pay attention to mechanics

#

because they're not staring at the hekili icon to tell them what to press

scarlet wyvern
#

i can do that too but i dont want to

#

its my choice 😉

spice spire
#

Not necessarily.
I’m just not going to gatekeep someone’s experience by the addons they choose to use

scarlet wyvern
#

even if i stare at it , imagine not watching the gameplay and still blasting more than anyone else in my group? xD

spice spire
#

Let people play how they want

scarlet wyvern
#

tho i dont stare at it

spice spire
keen spruce
#

If someone is doing the content they want and choose to use hekili then who cares

scarlet wyvern
keen spruce
#

if they're new and asking if hekili is a good way to play then tell them it's not

spice spire
#

Well hekili does have a maintainer

scarlet wyvern
#

ye i play rogue since WoD and started using Hekili TWW S1

spice spire
#

Or did in 11.0

keen spruce
#

good way to "learn"

spice spire
#

Idk if he’s still in it but he did bring the logic to the spec pretty well

runic hinge
#

learn this

spice spire
#

In st at least

coral ibex
#

i mean you did come here and ask if you could improve your gameplay by changing an option in hekili and people in this channel tend to suggest self improvement instead

runic hinge
keen spruce
scarlet wyvern
#

everyone plays as they want 😄

sacred ibex
#

Hi all guys, first time here :), have a question about the 3 builds we have know, wich is better in overall terms? And when play one or other? Im rerolling to assa, was a outlaw player D:

spice spire
keen spruce
sturdy stirrup
spice spire
#

I’m not going to tell someone what they feel is right or wrong

sacred ibex
keen spruce
#

bleed build

spice spire
# sacred ibex M+

Bleed is easiest and provides most consistency especially learning the spec

#

As you get higher and timing is more concise hybrid can be beneficial for a hair more ST but 99% of Andy’s are just doing whatever keys and bleed blasting is ideal for that

#

I’d say whatever keys are like 16s and below

#

15s likely actually

sacred ibex
#

So basically, any key below 14 bleeds build and above 14 hybrid Just for st dmg?

keen spruce
#

a couple of keys at the 17 or higher

#

ish

#

and tbh that's still kind of debatable

spice spire
#

There’s no hard line

keen spruce
#

zeross is just very loud about it

spice spire
#

Think bleed is fine at all levels

#

Can see a world where hybrid is good when you’re in desperate need of some ST/burst

keen spruce
#

I think cheese is fine at all levels SCstare

#

did u give george his cheese at all levels

spice spire
#

He gets it in the morning and in the evening

#

Half a piece each time

keen spruce
#

what flavor

viscid spear
spice spire
sacred ibex
#

Understand all guys tyvm, are some big difference on rotation between hybrid and bleed? Im just playing it at same way

spice spire
hidden bay
#

guys

#

i cooked

foggy orbit
#

what talents do u use in theater of pain? since its more of a cleave dungeon and lots of single target adds

hidden bay
winged quail
#

Why are people saying hybrid does better Singletarget than bleed? Isn’t that just not true?

keen spruce
spice spire
spice spire
#

You did deserve it after all garf

brisk forge
sand ermine
#

With 11.1.5, the personal resource display is no longer tracking buffs (i.e indiscriminate carnage /feint) has anyone encountered this issue as well? and if so is there a workaround?

hidden bay
#

71% crit on kingsbane

spice spire
#

Sometimes you just win big

sturdy path
hidden bay
#

if you raid mainly prolly dagger

sturdy path
#

no raid

maiden bear
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
hidden bay
#

then yea

#

get pants for mainstats

#

since you have 665 offhand

#

the difference from 665 offhand to 675 wont matter for you then

sturdy path
#

ig its more if worth going 678 on mainhand but pants are big upgrade

coral ibex
#

you can sim that

#

oh ur oh is hero track

#

nvm

#

hmmm

neat flame
coral ibex
#

i think the pants are the move

hollow herald
#

Hey yall. Trying to help a friend who is new to the game and playing Ass. Rogue

I see a lot of top rogues are prioritizing mastery heavily to crit. Is that accurate?

coral ibex
#

but you can probably assume you'll see myth track legs in the box again

sturdy path
#

thanks for feedback

coral ibex
#

so there's good arguments for both tbh

sturdy path
coral ibex
#

i think i'd just take the pants tbh

#

its like 45% larger of a gain than the dagger

coral ibex
#

one hero talent for assa prioritizes crit over mastery and the other doesn't prioritize crit as much

#

but the one that prios crit is significantly less playable

#

so big mastery is usually just the play

fast jewel
#

@balmy condor can we pretend that the .5 dagger from new renown is even competitive

hollow herald
#

Okay got it. That’s the caustic splatter build you’re referring to with mastery?

spice surge
#

No, just all builds

hollow herald
#

Thank ya both. I’ve had him on hekili just to get a feel for the game. I fear he’s gotten dependent lol

Seeing in here it’s pretty ass for rogue and just about anyone is that right?

coral ibex
#

assa rotation is pretty static, just upkeep dots and send envenoms

#

i dont think you need hekili but if your friend doesn't want to change then its whatever

harsh anchor
#

Got a guy who never played arcane mage and pushed to 3.2k io using hekili

spice surge
#

Well its better for some specs than others

harsh anchor
#

So idk, I personally prefer to learn myself with all the mistakes

bold drum
#

Does that mean that we prefer that signet is proccing mastery instead of crit?

hollow herald
#

His big thing is wanting to do better on meters. He’s 664 and just getting heavily outgunned by other assa rogues in guild

coral ibex
#

you could send a log with both of them on the same fight

bold drum
#

in my experience Hekili doesn't teach how to react to a situation; it just keeps track of CD's

coral ibex
#

for a compare

#

its usually just uptime and proper cp allocation to finishers

#

i also think the time you spend learning to look at hekili and do what it says could just be spent getting familiar with your spec weakaura while you hit a dummy but there's no wrong way to play world of warcraft

hearty reef
#

.5 pin?

flint tusk
#

it's not just me getting a sticky stealth bar is it? i'm using blizzard UI action bars and it's not switching in combat

hollow herald
#

For sure. I’ll see if I can find any help with wa for him. I’m sure he’s struggling with CP allocation a bit

#

Appreciate the help yall really do

warm vortex
#

Fml
Ruined perfect attendance this season cause my WiFi died for no explainable reason

spice spire
#

-9k dkp

nimble tartan
#

i missed raid to go to coachella last week

#

we have an attendance pot so im out of the running for it

#

perfect attendance stays in the pot and if u get eliminated the pot grows for other people joewaiting

coral ibex
#

minus dkp is a good bit since ven is actually in a dkp guild

scenic kraken
#

For single target since mastery is prio is it better to run HoC and signet? Or seaforium and HoC

austere basin
#

I simmed and reverb radio is a 80k dps Upgrade and belt is a 60k dps upgrade. what should i pick im unsure
( im already at 13% haste)

coral ibex
#

80k for reverb radio?? what do you have in that slot

#

nothing?

subtle tundra
#

this spec fucking sucks

coral ibex
#

either way i'd just pick the bigger upgrade based on the sim

austere basin
#

im taking it with cat next week in mind

dapper cradle
coral ibex
#

i thought simply taking reverb radio was netting you +80k dps which is wild

golden loom
#

almost kept up with the broken warlock spec for a pull on bandit! @coral ibex

red schooner
#

got dragged into stix prog finally, killed it on 2nd pull of the night

#

this is the best way to prog

#

skip 80 pulls

hearty seal
#

anyone else has WAs broken in a "addon profiler spams error messages about 5 times per second" way?

dapper cradle
coral ibex
coral ibex
#

lots of 2t cleave goes hard

warm vortex
#

I have the most

#

And I’m saving it for H eye

#

If H eye drops today I’m gonna kms

golden loom
dapper cradle
coral ibex
#

i asked our lock why he plays destro instead of aff and he said some shit about it being "better prio"

spice spire
#

Sounds like the same answer I give when no sub

topaz hare
#

for sims, in bleed build most of you doing 13% haste only? or is it something as a baseline. asking because top gear keeps giving me haste / mastery over cirt/mastery over and over again. maybe someone has some info as to why that is

spice spire
#

Translation: I don’t want to

spice spire
coral ibex
#

bleeds like to be hasted

#

build that focuses on bleeds likes haste

#

makes sense

topaz hare
#

copy

#

thank you

spice spire
green vector
#

How detrimental is spamming to the bleeding builds damage?

spice spire
#

Spamming what

keen spruce
green vector
#

Basically if I am spamming and my energy is always below 150

spice spire
#

Oh it’s just worse

#

It’s not like

#

Infinitely worse

#

But I wouldn’t

nimble tartan
#

i didnt know dkp guilds exist still

#

in retail

keen spruce
nimble tartan
#

how do u even get points idgi

keen spruce
#

do they?

nimble tartan
#

what if everyone has the same points kekdog

#

like how can u lose points idk how it works

royal lantern
keen spruce
#

if u find a dkp guild u simply don't join that guild

grand trail
#

did they forget to nerf cyrclet already

#

love to play low ilvl shit

royal lantern
#

i didnt knew people are still stupid enought to do that

or that people would go with it

#

lmao

grand trail
#

dkp was peak fun

#

15 y ago

wise plover
# hidden bay

Damn you do anything special with CD timings or you just hit big?

royal lantern
#

and logs got a reset

#

dont tell anyone

keen spruce
#

he did also have 71% KB crit

wise plover
#

still he did alot of dmg doesnt amtter about reset

royal lantern
#

its mugzee, be long in execute

#

thats it

grand trail
#

2.8 is still a lot

nimble tartan
#

can i racechange mid raid week

grand trail
#

we did not get raid buff this week right

grand trail
spice spire
#

Some glitches and did

#

It’s random

keen spruce
#

i made shrimp and kimchi fried rice

#

and no longer want to die

spice spire
#

Banger combo

hidden bay
#

i had... pancakes.. dude

#

nothing else

keen spruce
#

i think broccoli was a mistake

#

kinda cluttered it up

spice spire
#

Kimchi fried rice is one of the few times I’ll use spam in a dish

#

Ye I avoid broccoli in fried rice for that reason

#

Usually will get mixed veg frozen and just bang it out

keen spruce
#

spam good in kimchi fried rice

spice spire
#

Ye

#

Not a huge spam fan but it works

#

Kimchi just kinda hits tho

keen spruce
#

i got this stuff from my mom and it's extra funky

#

she very korean

#

i normally like it a little more fresh

#

but if i'm not eating it by itself it's fine

runic hinge
#

put it in an omlette

keen spruce
#

that do sound kinda banger

#

I bought a costco rack of default spam and it's too salty for most stuff

#

i think i'd go low sodium next time

runic hinge
#

yeah for sure

solar wyvern
keen spruce
#

I ate the damn broccoli

#

it's just so mid in fried rice

#

cuz some bites just randomly all broccoli

strange python
#

Sorry if this has been discussed, just finished raid - is there a CTW bug this patch? Wasn't proccing (least the buff indicator)

pliant remnant
keen spruce
#

!bug

prisma monolithBOT
pliant remnant
#

I just felt something tickle on my neck while I was doing Xav the Unfallen and I brushed it with my hand and slapped a bee into the glass in front of me

#

that GIF just re-traumatized me

keen spruce
keen spruce
#

u are spec'd into CTW right? HMM

solar wyvern
#

Thats news to me

strange python
#

Yeah ofc

#

and its a super noticable talent ofc 🙂

keen spruce
#

@solar wyvern how are the boys

#

and girls

#

i just lurk in here

strange python
#

checked the log from raid, the buff was definitely up

keen spruce
#

I don't adventure to the discords anymore

strange python
#

probably a WA issue

#

using whispyrs though, maybe just glitching there

pliant remnant
#

I dunno if other people do it, but I modified the CTW icon in the Luxthos WeakAuras to not show up when I'm talented into Vicious Venoms

#

so maybe related to that

strange python
#

ah

strange python
#

ah

#

that would probably be why (brainfart)

spice spire
spice surge
#

Well it was like 20 ilvls higher

strange python
#

first raid switching to VV, so assume whispyrs WA got the smurts and discounts it when talented

spice surge
#

So thats why it was better

short sedge
#

Has anyone played OAB Mythic ? Do you just stay on boss and spatter on adds?

brisk forge
#

Azerokk's Resonating Heart 678 vs Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker 678 in m+?

normal mist
#

sim

balmy condor
#

Fuck the sim even

#

Pacemaker every time what

normal mist
#

xd

balmy condor
#

How is that a comparison

#

It’s just bad trinket vs good trinket

spice surge
#

Well he showed it earlier

balmy condor
spice surge
#

Azerokk was like 0.6% higher

bronze pike
#

its azeroths hart

#

dont you want azeroths heart in u ?

spice surge
#

Bro probably had crit out the wazoo

balmy condor
#

Is it signet

brisk forge
#

but didnt get any goiod answear xD

balmy condor
#

Do you have signet

brisk forge
#

28%

#

i do ye

dapper cradle
#

I appreciate all the work you do for theory crafting all of these builds Whispyr , really cool of you to do for the community and a huge help. Thank you

balmy condor
#

Jesus fuck lmao

brisk forge
#

its sigent vs one of thos mention

balmy condor
#

Okay so you take the pacemaker and then lose like half your crit

#

And you’ll be aight

brisk forge
#

have sim´d diff stats, didnt want me to change but ye

haughty flicker
#

but i love my crit

bronze pike
#

pacemaker more

#

ya know

#

better

#

its on a timer activates every 60's by itself when you press a thing

#

plus main stat

keen spruce
bronze pike
#

while heart is a rppm chance to proc

#

which is kinda lamege

silk sundial
#

Pacemaker uptime is almost 50% too. It increases your crit for 15 seconds, and your crits increase the time for 15 seconds. So you end up the buff for 30 seconds.

polar rampart
#

just proc every time you in cd window, ez

golden loom
#

is atrophic still stacking does anyone have this crucial info

red schooner
#

right, any specific shite I need to know for sprocket? shadowstep is banned I take it

spice spire
#

Just weird to have back to back shit

scarlet orbit
red schooner
#

so

#

i'm vibing

#

still happy about fluking a stix kill. Guild spends 80 pulls on it on previous nights when I'm on bench. Get dragged in tonight, killed in 2 pulls.

#

Good boss

#

10/10

scarlet orbit
#

2 Pulls is probably the sweetspot to still enjoy that boss holy i hate that one

red schooner
#

And killed it.

polar rampart
#

its not so bad if you the tank that never takes balls :x

red schooner
polar rampart
#

i like those odds

pliant remnant
red schooner
#

get to be bench again

#

life is good

pliant remnant
red schooner
# deep gyro Gamer

i like this kind of prog, got to catch up on some books, got a boss kill

#

whats not to love

deep gyro
solar wyvern
red schooner
haughty flicker
#

i always love getting a faceful of what the boys ave been workin on

sacred grove
#

is there a bug with weapon durability? my weapon went from full to 0 during a dungeon with no deaths

real pike
#

@golden loom how's el bandito

gloomy heart
#

yeah uh i just had the sketchiest key ever LOL

#

i am so washed

young pebble
#

Seal Team Six level of sniping

gloomy heart
#

yeah uh idk it was only a 9 rookery

waxen oyster
#

bruh

#

where the SB dam

gloomy heart
#

in the gutter

golden loom
#

im havin fun

waxen oyster
#

jastor diamond from tw

#

Wait does it take stats from a random person

#

or whoever is closest

gloomy heart
#

i got the same thing

#

from tw

#

🙂

real pike
#

we're on 60 dayum

#

it's not the worst boss tbf

gloomy heart
#

im supposed to be pooling energy in keys? is that why my SB is so low

waxen oyster
#

Well you have infinite energy in aoe

split veldt
#

first time ive beaten an unholy, 14 flood

gloomy heart
#

Maybe im trash

real pike
#

when rupture sniping for energy on bandit should I do it at 5+ or 1 CP?

#

or should I just not be doing it at all

golden loom
#

I usually just send the bonespike combo point onto the reel assist

#

as in pandemic rupture on OAB -> bonespike refunded CP on add

real pike
#

yeah did it that pull and it felt good

surreal halo
hexed frost
#

Having a monk in your team is absolutely bonkers man.

#

2M garrote tick

real pike
#

we're not lusting on pull which feels rough

golden loom
#

noones lusting on pull

#

boss needs to die after it reaches 30%

real pike
#

yeah I know

#

I'm just saying

#

feels rough not to have it

#

I'm sure later on it'll feel fantastic

#

ahahah

#

when we get to that point

golden loom
#

idk I feel like I actually have infinite energy on this fight

hexed frost
real pike
#

probably cause of the ad rups

scenic kraken
#

I’d there a specific person you guys would suggest on logs to check out to know when to send cds on the boss fights? I’m clearing heroic for the 2nd time on my rogue tonight and I want to try to parse higher than blue this time 😭

gloomy heart
sudden brook
#

U press CDs on CD

#

Theres no like, trick

hexed frost
#

popped another 23M+ demise

hexed frost
sudden brook
#

the only CD you dont use on CD is shiv

gloomy heart
#

and what lvl key

hexed frost
silk sundial
surreal halo
#

Perfect, thanks!

spice spire
runic hinge
hexed frost
runic hinge
#

Monk shaman Druid war all good buffs lol

rotund jungle
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hexed frost
#

Anyone here replaced the double shiv talent with iron wire in M+? Talking of bleed build

#

It's a 2% dps loss but how much of a big impact it'll be on a +14 or +13

spice spire
#

Depends on dungeon.

dark arrow
#

anyone find whispyr's afenar edit WA be glitchy after the patch? if i'm in my M+ build it works find but when I switch to ST Raid spec the rupture icon doesn't appear.

rain coral
#

hey guys anyone wanna join aberrus hc tmog run

#

?

sudden brook
#

this aint lfg

rain coral
#

oke where do i find that?

sudden brook
#

theres a few in game tools

coral ibex
#

i think default binding for LFG is I

hexed frost
dapper cradle
#

Kind of ironic of guy to chastise LFG posts

spice spire
#

Like I wouldn’t take IW in a few dungeons this season

dapper cradle
#

Bro was advertising GN mythic sales

spice spire
#

Don’t think it’s too big of an impact tbh

spice spire
dark arrow
#

so guessing lack of anyone saying they have also had issues its just my weak aura lol. i'll delete and re-import it to see if it fixes it lol.

topaz hare
#

anyone knows if you farm mementos in BFA we get to keep them for horrific visions?