assassination

[nova kelp]

in my opinion at least, but truthfully, and painfully
fuck fatebound

[oak eagle]

ive never touched fatebound in my life

[sweet shard]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[charred mango]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[charred mango]

i didnt realize wow analyzer was still a thing, thought it was old news

Are we still able to ask for someone to check a log?

[patent gust]

I don't think it's been updated for ages

[charred mango]

I thought that the !log command made a thread for review but if that was updated then i guess its a recent change?

[keen spruce]

analyzer was functional last season

we just dont' know the guy that's updating it

so it can't get an official sign off

but it seemed pretty okay as recently as last season

[balmy condor]

wowanalyzer sucks

[keen spruce]

at least as a general assistance type thing. not that great for getting into the nitty gritty

[balmy condor]

but we don't have the manpower to do a billion log reviews for everyone

[hidden bay]

Just dm the log to whispyr

[drifting cloud]

on it

[viscid spear]

[charred mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[keen spruce]

in theory it would filter out the people that have 60% bleed uptime and randomly didn't deathmark twice in a fight

[viscid spear]

No, clearly you ping him

[keen spruce]

but those people don't know how to use wowanalyzer

so they'll just make someone tell them in here anyways

if they somehow found the discord

[drifting cloud]

Is that bad

[worthy rose]

Is it bad if I don’t like death marking in boss fights

[keen spruce]

[charred mango]

Looks like wowanalyzer still checks for ER casts lol

[hidden bay]

Post the log already

And what you want to know

[worthy rose]

Do you always shiv before a kingsband

[charred mango]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gP1FhpkQ74bqTmR8?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=19
Just want to know if im doing something super wrong

[worthy rose]

As in you save shiva for kingsbane

Or can you shiv before an envenom

[charred mango]

just swapped from sub and it feels like im way behind overall compared to how I used to perform

[keen spruce]

this is about all that's been done

this xpac

[hidden bay]

Make sure you always use envenom before deathmark, that’s one of the major things I see

[halcyon saddle]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[halcyon saddle]

question - anyone else's darkness night proc getting munched

[hidden bay]

Opener is fine till rupture, instead of mutilating twice after that you want make sure to get one envenom there.

[halcyon saddle]

for whatever reason i'll have the proc and then my wa will indicate that the proc is gone and im back to having deathstalker marks

[jaunty sky]

@charred mango use more thistle tea!

[hidden bay]

A 4 combo point envenom is fine aswell as it gives you enough time to dm/shiv/kb/mut/envenom before envenom buffs runs out

[keen spruce]

[jaunty sky]

Only one use over the whole fight is so much lost mastery

Gives like 13%

[hidden bay]

Use tea macro to shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[earnest remnant]

Auto procs don’t show in casts btw

[jaunty sky]

This macro don't work for me

[keen spruce]

do you have old vanilla thistle tea in your bags / bank?

[jaunty sky]

Oh shit

That might be it tbh

[vapid fable]

is there a new spreadsheet?

[keen spruce]

I think some people had some bugs with that

iirc

[jaunty sky]

I just had to remove the cast sequence for it to work

But i should delete the old teas anyways

[keen spruce]

I don't use the cast sequence ye

just remember not to spam

[jaunty sky]

Yeah kinda sucks for when i accidentally go out of range and try to use it

Makes me waste extra charge

[balmy condor]

it also doesn't proc deathstalkers mark

[hidden bay]

Who needs that anyways

[lethal arrow]

hmm i got another renown level and now its back down to 6%

[charred mango]

do we want to stay above the auto proc tea level of energy?

those auto procs are annoying, cant use them during burst

[hidden bay]

If you use tea macro you won’t have issues

[keen spruce]

if u macro, one tea gets used on first burst. And that charge will come back off CD on your next burst and always line up

[charred mango]

gotcha, will do. so that means we use it at the start of KB instead of the midway through?

[keen spruce]

I don't think that the difference is significant enough

to not just use the macro

[charred mango]

works for me, ty

[drifting cloud]

did you think they wouldnt hotfix it or

[hidden bay]

Should’ve get banned for that

[frank trench]

Uh can someone give me advice

[manic sphinx]

I feel I have too much Mastery now. But dont have much gear to switch it out, this is natural. Should I sim if I change out my gems and enchants?

[frank trench]

If I have a heroic house of cards right now. My vault has mythic signet of priory and mythic set gloves. Would you take signet. For the long run or take gloves which is .2 more dmg than signet and pacemaker.

[errant swallow]

Have they fixed vault yet?

[frank trench]

I’m trying to play around the token

[frank trench]

No

[manic sphinx]

for this question, I usually see people answer the trinket, because gloves you can always catalyse in future - but getting the exact mythic signet is really tough. also, assuming mythic signet sims higher than your heroic HoC

[ebon steppe]

[errant swallow]

Damn, it's been like 4 hours.

[frank trench]

It does. And for the mythic token we are taking gally ring right?

[ebon steppe]

Signet is the only possible choice here

cu u have a million chances to get gloves

[ebon steppe]

Yeah

but

When will we get our first dinar

is still a mystery

[errant swallow]

Soon (TM)

[frank trench]

Right…..true lol your name rules also my friend opened his vault and got three of same bad trinket lol

5 min ago

[errant swallow]

Ill wait

[ebon steppe]

That's literally happened to everyone
Dungeon trinkets in this season just sucks
Except signet and pacemaker

[lethal arrow]

surely not

[ebon steppe]

signet will destroy ur stats distribution in raid but still very good

[lethal arrow]

its weird cuz i still have the fire buff and the move speed tho

[jaunty sky]

Always worth to check for ez upgrades

If u have some gold to throw around

[viscid spear]

Another Gally kill, another Eye lost

[zenith smelt]

Does annyone know Anny Rogue Streamers that have a lot of viewers? 🙂

[amber fossil]

is junk mega mag trink simbait? I am suprised to see it over eye of kez https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dkJyLNC3ExdqFFKvSzpTBP

[dreamy rover]

NO MAGNET IS GOOD BECAUSE OF LINGERING DARKNESS

[amber fossil]

takes so long to get to 30

[dreamy rover]

AND KEZAN IS NOT THAT GOOD ON 5MIN FIGHTS

THERES YOUR ANSWER SIR

HOPE IT WAS WHAT YOU EXPECTED

[amber fossil]

ty!

[dreamy rover]

NO WORRIES, ANYTIME

[amber fossil]

you you swap trinks from the sim tho and use house of cards first?

[dreamy rover]

yhea you use house of cards during cooldowns

[amber fossil]

with 2 min cds

[dreamy rover]

deathmark/kingsbane

then let your magnet stack and send at the end of your lingering darkness window

so you use hoc w/ deathmark

[amber fossil]

oh, not necessaily at 30 then, gotcha

[dreamy rover]

yhea im not sure about how the stacks work because ive never used the trinket

[barren yarrow]

so is bleed build still the goto in 13+ keys?

[coral arrow]

why is my envenom doing so shit dmg? mm one armed bandit fight

[amber fossil]

I see suffocating darkness dot did 4.9% of dmg and the magnet on use did 1.8%, for a total of 6.7% wow

[runic hinge]

Just send during lingering darkness after dm

Oh sorry my chat was fucked

[dreamy rover]

L tonynugz

[lucid silo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dreamy rover]

yhea its pretty strong

[west crown]

heroic or mythic?

[dreamy rover]

it doesnt matter what difficulty he's playing?

[coral arrow]

mythic

[amber fossil]

at how many cps are you evenoning?

[west crown]

yes it does

[amber fossil]

if at 7, might be your answer?

[coral arrow]

I’m doing it at 5+

[west crown]

are you doing the Lingering Darkness DN envenom? that may be bringing his averages up a lot more

and coin buffs

[viscid spear]

[hidden bay]

[dreamy rover]

why you send photo of dagger

why

[viscid spear]

I have everything for this, just need it made

[keen spruce]

the whole breakdown is pretty drastically different, might want to just link the log

[viscid spear]

[dreamy rover]

explain please

didnt everyone craft that on 1st week of patch 11.1?

[coral arrow]

maybe is that idk, I got 48% uptime he has 62%

[coral arrow]

its privated log, if I send can you see it anyway?

[keen spruce]

idk u can try ig

[viscid spear]

Leave me alone

[dreamy rover]

dude explain

why

please

[coral arrow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QyPX9AWkVHwFm8Nt?fight=16&type=damage-done&source=129

[keen spruce]

y u bully ashcat

[dreamy rover]

me not bully

[keen spruce]

yeah can't see

[hidden bay]

Crazy

[dreamy rover]

me confused

[west crown]

@coral arrow It's a heroic log so it can't compare in a lot of the breakdown, but that's my envenom from a 97

[keen spruce]

unforch

[hidden bay]

David you gotta calm down

[coral arrow]

sadge

[hidden bay]

Very Aggro today

[viscid spear]

I don't have a lot of time to play, I've only just gotten to the point where I have leftover Gilded crests that I can use for crafts

[keen spruce]

[worthy rose]

Not radiant power?

[dreamy rover]

awww

[worthy rose]

Wait what do u mean leftover gilded for crafts

Isn’t crafts the priority

Weapon > trinket > main pieces of gear

[dreamy rover]

now i feel bad because im a complete degenerate with at least 500hrs on this expac alone

[worthy rose]

In order of priority in general

[coral arrow]

yeah my average hit it's just 679k, it's so low dmg

[dreamy rover]

CONGRATULATIONS ASHCAT

[viscid spear]

Ascension was better according to sims

[worthy rose]

I mean the weapon enchant

You have depths instead of radiant power

Probably about the same thing

[dreamy rover]

Depths is better if ashcat raids mostly

[zenith smelt]

Got a Question for mytic+ at what time of the end of a pack is it not worth to reaply Garrote or Rupture?

[worthy rose]

Yeah that’s true

[dreamy rover]

but yhea, its pretty irrelevant

[viscid spear]

Oh, I've just been using Authority all this time, I haven't simmed anything else.
I forgot

[worthy rose]

Don’t worry about it

It’s essentially the same thing

Radiant power is upfront damage

Depths is a type of bleed/dot iirc

[west crown]

I usually only garrote if like 50% of the pack is up (only prio target) or im demisemaxxing and vanishing for IC

50% is also key level dependent

[coral arrow]

can you check how much high roller debuff uptime you had on that log Ryz?

[west crown]

77%

[coral arrow]

aight that's a lot, I had just like 47% on my log, idk if that could be all the dmg difference

[west crown]

Its a big part of the fight, but I really focus on making sure I have the buff for cds

[viscid spear]

Too late, sim running

[solar wyvern]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[viscid spear]

[manic sphinx]

in Details, how do you make it so that your name shows at bottom, even if you're not in the top 5 (or however many you're displaying?)

[keen spruce]

i think it's just a checkbox

in the settings

[manic sphinx]

But im blind 😦

[keen spruce]

well I don't have the game installed so i can't go look for u

[manic sphinx]

OK FOUND IT

ty ty, lol

[keen spruce]

gud gud

[manic sphinx]

Different section - "always show me"

[jaunty sky]

I don't turn that on

If I'm not top 5 i don't gotta see my numbers

[manic sphinx]

i need to see how many i have to climb 😅

[jaunty sky]

Gotta go dig after the pull

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-gif-3983540

[viscid spear]

Sim said double Auth was the way to go
Not by much, like you said.

[keen spruce]

I always slapped one of each on

gotta hedge my bets

[jaunty sky]

I just keep double authority

Better for m+

[keen spruce]

I normally optimize for raid / ST

cuz parse

then fill out m+ gear later in the season when pushing actually matters

[jaunty sky]

HC parse not interesting to me

I think if i practiced more it would be

Found out today about having at least one envenom up before DM

[keen spruce]

seems like a lot of people don't know about hat

that

most logs I look at people skip the first envenom

very curious

[jaunty sky]

I mean guide says it

I just play bleed build

A lot

In m+

So I'm not that used to optimizing kingsbane

[keen spruce]

[jaunty sky]

Maybe i learn this season and I'll actually be able to get to similar performance as i had on outlaw

[keen spruce]

it's just muscle memory for CDs

then u kind of just afk

in between

much easier than pirate

[jaunty sky]

Pirate is easier cause there's like 4 other ppl who play it

Also felt less punishing for small mistakes and CD drifting is non existent

That's the hardest part to get used to

Actually learning when to use cds

[keen spruce]

ig they made some QOL improvements to pirate

about crackshot

[tall atlas]

Yeah that’s why I want logs when people post good dps let’s

[keen spruce]

cuz you used to like turbo grief yourself with small mistakes

[tall atlas]

Keys

[jaunty sky]

Yeah that reset is nice

[tall atlas]

So I can see when decisions on cds have been made

This channel has been mega active recently as well it’s nice

[jaunty sky]

Still a lot to work on with that spec(killing spree, AR reliance, substat scaling, haste tax....), also my hands don't hurt after 2 hrs of playing

Biggest plus tbh

[bronze pike]

why is my cotank

only pulling 400k

to my 1.4mill

i ate 3 debuffs of vexie

[haughty flicker]

punishment for playing tank

[bronze pike]

thats not fairge

[haughty flicker]

its ok

stix at 5%

and for the first time of the night i hit a bombshell on boss

didnt fuck up until when it actually mattered

huge

[polar rampart]

nice

[dreamy rover]

dude why

what

and how

[keen spruce]

I don't play this stinky game anymore

dobby is a free elf

[dreamy rover]

why

[runic hinge]

He’s got planes to fly

[dreamy rover]

oh shit

hes the plane guy

i forgot

[sudden brook]

hey noob @balmy condor your wowhead import code is bricked

[polar rampart]

truer statement never told

[haughty flicker]

[sudden brook]

[balmy condor]

did 11.1.5 brick imports

what build is that

[polar rampart]

the CMQAAA build is fire

[sudden brook]

bleeds M+

[balmy condor]

on the talent page?

[sudden brook]

Both the talent page, and the actual talent calc

[balmy condor]

can't be

I'm staring at it

and you have momentum

I just checked it all

[sudden grotto]

Have you tried placing the code you copied into code instead of loadout name ?

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah

you fucking

swapped them

[sudden brook]

[balmy condor]

you put the import into the name

[sudden brook]

Actually so true

hey noob @sudden brook don't put it in import

dude i tried it 3 times

[sudden grotto]

Bruh trolling whispyr hard

[gaunt quiver]

Is there a shortcut to the spatter explanation? Trying to help guildmates understand it better.

[balmy condor]

two wowhead writers combining braincells to import a build

[sudden brook]

dude its actually hard

[balmy condor]

which

like what are we explaining

[gaunt quiver]

The range

[balmy condor]

its in the pins

[gaunt quiver]

Copy that ty

[pure moth]

or go to guides and control f "spatter"

[bronze pike]

i got a second world soul quest

poggies

[gloomy heart]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[indigo valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[indigo valley]

is the dslice for sin on fuus sheet a dead link for anyone else?

[balmy condor]

it timed out yeah

[indigo valley]

😭

[balmy condor]

he hasn't updated the sims in a month

so raidbots deletes it

[indigo valley]

thank you for the response whispyr

are there any other options? 👀

[balmy condor]

simming yourself

what even would you get out of that sheet

[mint valve]

that was a mid raid response..

[indigo valley]

I like to look at it..

[balmy condor]

okay but what are you looking at

[indigo valley]

im being lazy and not simming as much as i used to man

[mint valve]

long story short.. he doesnt have a raidbots sub. LOL

[indigo valley]

i have

a sub 💀

[dreamy rover]

hey whsiorper

how you doing>?

alot of bowling?

[indigo valley]

i just didnt want to sim for vault

[balmy condor]

what

how is fuu's sheet going to help you with your vault lmao

[balmy condor]

doing okay, bandit prog is agony

[indigo valley]

i had two options and i wanted to see if one was on the list dont bully me please

[balmy condor]

bowling is the same I guess

I mean I'm not trying to bully you

[runic hinge]

Lists are fake

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to tell you that you're looking at information that doesn't help you

[indigo valley]

I know you're right

I'll be less lazy in the future

[dreamy rover]

lol

my guild has 250 + pulls on sprocket already

i cant even imagine what type of fucking disaster those people are going to do on bandit

[lethal mortar]

hey guys can you figure out how to update your guide to make these sin rogues play iron wire so we can time 100% more keys thx

[dreamy rover]

dude you didnt just join to say some BS

iron wire = -100% dps

[lethal mortar]

every time i invite one they have 10 kicks all key, hit 0 utility buttons, and arent running iron wire

[lethal mortar]

our last sin rogue had -100% dps because there was chain casts going off and he died and had to run back 8 times in this 14 priory

which was a bigger damage loss i promise

[weary spear]

If you can’t pass 14’s iron wire won’t save you

[coral ibex]

you can drop lw shiv for iron wire, sims at like -2% for me

[dreamy rover]

imagine not having 2 shiv charge

id rather die

[haughty flicker]

wait i thought you were joking

thats why i garfed

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

guides say how to take iron wire, it's got its own paragraph

in 2 spots even

[dreamy rover]

i dont believe this bleed build propaganda!!!!!!!! does hybrid perform better on 16-17-18 keys??? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

probably not

[hidden bay]

Gotta consult zeross

[balmy condor]

whats he running these days

[dreamy rover]

this dude hates bleed build and says hybrid is better for these real high keys

[hidden bay]

Fate bound bleed

[dreamy rover]

but idk

[balmy condor]

yeah surely

[dreamy rover]

help

i need to know

now

pleasre

[hidden bay]

I timed a 13, pretty sure bleed is the only viable build

[dreamy rover]

no

bleed for sure isnt the only viable one

[hidden bay]

[dreamy rover]

propaganda

[sudden brook]

[dreamy rover]

whispyr please tell me whatever you say ill follow

i was getting bullied for my boss dmg

[balmy condor]

they're both fine

bleed is just easier and less cringe and probably also better

[runic hinge]

Your boss damage will not be saved by any talent swaps

Not any reasonable ones anyways

[dreamy rover]

fr im about to drop deeper stratagem for supercharger

idgaf

[balmy condor]

what are you smoking

[sudden brook]

Literally drooled on myself through a weekly 10 this spec is broken

[dreamy rover]

i NEED boss dmg

[sudden brook]

[dreamy rover]

???????????????????????

[balmy condor]

then you play sub

[sudden brook]

[dreamy rover]

dude's party is 2 havocs

pog

[sudden brook]

bleed build is fun

[runic hinge]

Real

[sudden brook]

What is pandemic for CT

[balmy condor]

same as everything else

[sudden brook]

:(

[balmy condor]

whatever 30% of your cp value is

[radiant vapor]

Is it worth to craft offhand weapon or just keep waiting for vault lol

[runic hinge]

Offhand has the least amount of stats of any piece

So unless you have everything else Gucci or your offhand is like 610 I’d probably wait

[radiant vapor]

665 heroic track haha

[spice spire]

Tony how was vault

[lethal mortar]

can u make the paragraph bold

[runic hinge]

I’m at work

Debating on waiting for the morning hotfix

Servers were not up before I left

[spice spire]

I had no dups across three toons

Surely you’re fine

[runic hinge]

With how my luck has been this season

[spice spire]

Vers is good for tanks surely

[hearty seal]

another week, another trash vault

[hearty seal]

oh nevermind, this is peak trash, I kneel

[runic hinge]

That’s not my vault I saw it on Reddit

[hearty seal]

honestly I'm not sure

1. why there is no second secondary stat on this item
2. why Blizz haven't fixed that in what, seven years of putting it in M+?

[hearty seal]

sucks to be that person then

[gloomy heart]

big blahst in a 10

im learning this new bleed build but

it def fucks

[gray sleet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ruxHZ8hr39ij98RkjFBGXk I've run droptimizer and moved stats here and there, still can't seem to get more damage i've seen some of you fellows simming for 2.3M in ST and i jsut sim for 2.1M max, what can i get to imporove?

[gloomy heart]

boss damage is horrendous

with it tho

[hearty seal]

that's just any good M+ build on assa, sadly

[gloomy heart]

yeah i just did a 10 pf

i fucking blast on packs

[hearty seal]

priory?

[coral ibex]

do i go fatebound again on sprocket reclear

surely not

[gloomy heart]

yes

[coral ibex]

1.3%

...

[spice spire]

Nah plaguefall

[gloomy heart]

i couldve done more buy yknow

but*

consecration

i had 2 pallies in my key

i thought it was their cons and i almsot died LOL

[hearty seal]

priory is super good for blasting, first boss is a duo which makes it way easier to do decent ST there too

[gloomy heart]

first boss felt insane

rest i was doing caca on

[hearty seal]

yeh that's just how it is

[gloomy heart]

i was doing low like 1.7M ST

kinda depressing

[candid ocean]

For single target am i supposed to ignore my clear the witness and just spam mutilate?

[coral ibex]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[candid ocean]

ty

[gloomy heart]

yeah i am only 658 now

i could do way more

[tacit hedge]

For bleed St do you want to spam envenoms or maintain Sanguine blades?

[balmy condor]

sanguine

[tacit hedge]

AHh okay

[gloomy heart]

sudden demise hit for 20M

skillz

[rotund oak]

where did the pointy ears go

what did you do to whispyr

bring back

🗡️

[haughty flicker]

[rotund oak]

(joking ofc)

[haughty flicker]

how many nights of stix prog is it until im legally allowed to end it

[gloomy heart]

Just kill stix 4head

[rotund oak]

no amounts,uve legally accepted to be tortured

[haughty flicker]

ok but surely no man deserves this

not only stix prog

but being a boomkin

[rotund oak]

[gloomy heart]

boomy sits still and presses starfall

how bad can it be

[coral ibex]

im fatebound pulling sprocket

[haughty flicker]

pressing starfall 14 times in a row

[coral ibex]

no way

save me

[haughty flicker]

is not the most engaging gameplay

[coral ibex]

someone

[haughty flicker]

this isnt gameplay

[gloomy heart]

maybe 15 times will feel better

[runic hinge]

Don’t do it to yourself

[haughty flicker]

rik and stix ive had to play aoe bot instead of actually play a boss fight

i wish i could be playing fatebound on sprocket right now

i'd take coins over this anyday

[rotund oak]

peak gameplay

much wow

[quasi hill]

morning folks, is dslice supported for sin ?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[golden loom]

My prediction is a lil capstone proc at 11% boss hp

[coral ibex]

nah im going ds

fuck this

3 pulls in a row no capstone in opener

[haughty flicker]

just stop tracking coins

and suddenly fatebound isnt that bad

coins are like dinosaurs

they cant hurt you if you dont look at them

[golden loom]

Warcraft logs does not lie

[rotund oak]

also went extinct and distant relatives are chickens

[haughty flicker]

well

[golden loom]

So even if you close your eyes for the coins, the parse does not

[haughty flicker]

birds are full on dinosaurs

like not related, they literally just are dinosaurs

cant evolve out of a clade

[gloomy heart]

week 1 for me looking clean https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1319914526594039818/1364466214700847145/image.png?ex=6809c5b0&is=68087430&hm=b8cf21de0cfbc97959ac85cf7cedd01907d4033fb428c8cf26307a796527704a&

got blessed on rng

[coral ibex]

more bomb memes

[gloomy heart]

simming to see if i replace my norm jastor with cinder ring

[royal lantern]

you wont

[gloomy heart]

yeah the norm ring is better

[ripe carbon]

at what ilvl does circlet ring not be better then a normal ring? i cant find in pins i thought it said something about it in there

im gonna sim but just wondering if anyone knew

[coral ibex]

circlet is equivalent to ilvl 700 of equivalent ring

[ripe carbon]

ah ok thx

[amber brook]

wtf

[cerulean plume]

wheres the writeup on restealthing not being that good vs chainpulling

[amber brook]

!stealth

[dawn heath]

Is the Vault fixed?

[amber brook]

tmr on reset

i heard

[sudden brook]

It's closer to like 670?

I'm finally at a spot where I'm looking to replace it

[cerulean plume]

!restealth

[ripe carbon]

i looked up the wowhead guide and it says its equivalent to around 700ilvl

[buoyant herald]

It’s lower for outlaw and sub I think and higher for assass

You can kinda add up the secondaries

[wary light]

Really? It Sims as a complete loss for me when I run 6/6 myth droptimisers

(to replace it, that is)

[sudden brook]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cf2fLvVL9e7h1EBUaz3ivg

maybe just a shit stat moment, seems like a fair upgrade

[balmy condor]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[balmy condor]

Bis profiles have it idk

I don’t have a ring that replaces it atm

Plenty of rings that replace the non circlet

But not circlet

[wary light]

Kinda juicy yeah, 0.1% means yeah you'd be able to just never replace but hey being able to replace it for the #ilvlpad is very important

[sudden brook]

facts man

[amber brook]

Is the nightfall event bugged

[balmy condor]

Knowing how the patch is going so far, almost assuredly

[wary light]

Like the idea of me being fully bis with a 658 ring on is kinda sadge to me

[balmy condor]

It’s easier to find things that are not bugged

[amber brook]

thoughts on maple classic?

[balmy condor]

Nostalgia bait

Retail is just objectively better

Same with wow

[amber brook]

kerning city pq will always be remembered

[haughty flicker]

im gonna try it

since i have no nostalgia to be baited by

[amber brook]

youl enjoy it

[sudden brook]

Might be cuz my stats are scuffed

Haste and crit got really good

[balmy condor]

yeah

VV skews is a bit

[dawn heath]

Really Gucci

[inner sparrow]

is there a catch to crafting a second everforged stabber?

i dont want to craft it and not be able to equip it like a dummy lol

[dreamy rover]

no but not recommended

offhand is our worse slot

youre better off crafting a cloak, bracer, belt, gloves

[inner sparrow]

wait rly? why is that

[dreamy rover]

idk

whatever

[dreamy rover]

i dont know why but i know its bad lol

[storm hedge]

offhand dps is nerfed a lot and it has low secondaries

[golden loom]

Offhand dps is incredibly insignificant

[inner sparrow]

interesting ok

thanks!

[waxen oyster]

do any dual wielders care about their offhand dps

[golden loom]

Maybe it matters slighly more for fury because its another big beefy 2 hander but more for the stats there

[waxen oyster]

fury also only has to upgrade one weapon

for crest savings on the other

[subtle tundra]

i have a big beefy 2 hander

im kidding liberals, its a JOKE

[waxen oyster]

thats a quake quote

[keen pecan]

off hand daggers w/ effects overpowers item level

[dreamy rover]

myth jastor and kezan

[keen pecan]

but theres no effect dagger so 🤷

[sudden brook]

and pacemaker

[dreamy rover]

fuckin stacked

nice work

[waxen oyster]

depends

only effect dagger was eon

[sudden brook]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cd3T3Y3CNqQWCS2p5DSYU8

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xcWQpKAXuDF6o3x683dT13

even with MA

I guess haste gets devalued

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[waxen oyster]

is haste just poopy

for vv

[sudden brook]

no haste is huge for VV

[waxen oyster]

i imagine since it doesnt really interact

[sudden brook]

more haste = more mutilate

more mutliate = more vv

[dreamy rover]

its big cause more energy

yhea

u need more energy on vv build

[waxen oyster]

[dreamy rover]

then haste = good

[waxen oyster]

real or

crit prob gives more cps

[dreamy rover]

its real lol

[sudden brook]

It's real lol

I can resim this with VV

U can see for uself

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mr67sQ4K7G5124UfQfMBim

vv sim

[dreamy rover]

but that doesnt take into account the extra damage

[waxen oyster]

was mostly skeptical since haste impacts energy so minimally

[dreamy rover]

pretty cool seeing a 673 very geared rogue simming 2.3 on patchwerk

and a 670 uh dk simming 2.6

great

[sudden brook]

Sim DPS is fake

[gloomy heart]

what would blizzard have to do to fix assa ST in keys ?

[sudden brook]

Sin sims the worst of the 3 specs but does the most ST

Sims are literally propaganda

Sims have 2 uses
Finding upgrades
And figuring out a rotation

[dreamy rover]

sims are propaganda wasnt something i thought i'd be hearing today

[sudden brook]

Sims are mega fake

[dreamy rover]

but thanks for the insight

[waxen oyster]

when your rl annoys you

to update droptimizers

i sleep

[golden loom]

Comparing sims between classes is even more giga fake

[dreamy rover]

uhh update your wowaudit uhh

fuck off rl

[runic hinge]

why do you think that is

[dreamy rover]

just give me the house of cards

[dreamy rover]

does everything need to be explained and rationalized?

[sudden brook]

I don't know and I don't care

[dreamy rover]

we're human beings

[sudden brook]

Facts

Knowing is for nerds

[dreamy rover]

in a constantly evolving form

[red schooner]

Disregard Sims, gear based on vibes

[golden loom]

Real and true answer = sin ST is as easy as it gets and u cant go wrong

[dreamy rover]

guy do you have a pov of you playing

like a video or something

of a kill

idk

or any good assassin

i need to view

[red schooner]

Yeah but have you tried overcomplicating it? Because pooling to 137 energy before my fourth envenom of the fight is SURELY a big increase

[sudden brook]

I streamed last tier, not this tier tho

[waxen oyster]

Ima be honest

[dreamy rover]

any good assassin raid povs?

[waxen oyster]

rls who give house of cards to specs that can just use funhouse lens

are infuriating

[cinder arch]

farming delve trinkets, kinda cringe, pass

[waxen oyster]

just get lucky and get it your first try

?

[molten galleon]

Why is Signet 678 only simming 500 dps better than house of cards 658. Am I missing something?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uDinz5w7VgTfobwU77rejg

[uneven plume]

how do you turn off errors for addons?

[cinder arch]

just ignore delves, hit leech house of cards in first vault after bandit kill

[waxen oyster]

idk i got hero mechano core my first delve of the season

real skill issue tbf

[dreamy rover]

insane

2nd bounty got me a sussy energy drink

[gloomy heart]

i need to find some gamer music that makes my dps skyrocket

[dreamy rover]

got lucky too

[waxen oyster]

I had to take my first socket of the season

[balmy condor]

you have an disgustingly monstrous amount of crit and it's fucking over your signet

signet is highest stat

[waxen oyster]

we started off so good too

[balmy condor]

you really want it to be mastery

and you're is guaranteed to be crit

[waxen oyster]

myth pacemaker 2nd vault

crit mast dag 3rd

[dreamy rover]

what are the variations i should sim again?

[molten galleon]

"disgustingly monstrous amount" this was personal 😄

[gloomy heart]

i got leech myth pants first vault, we will prayge for trinkets next week

[dreamy rover]

check pins

[balmy condor]

I mean I have the same myth pacemaker/myth signet

and you have 3x my crit

I have twice your mastery

like I'm not saying my stats are perfect

but buddy you're gigafucked

[waxen oyster]

leech is probably

[dreamy rover]

yo remove outlaw

[waxen oyster]

the best tert for rogue

like no meme

[dreamy rover]

avoid better tbh

especially if higher keys

[waxen oyster]

No feint exists

[dreamy rover]

but in general i also feel like leech is the best/coolest

[dreamy rover]

but also feint is wasted energy and global

and that fucks my overall

[sudden brook]

@balmy condor am I stupid or if you go MA, is the ST, and AOE build identical?

[waxen oyster]

idk blizz keeps nerfing avoidance too

[sudden brook]

Just caustic for IB

And by aoe I mean raid cleave

[balmy condor]

VV is better execute and cleave

[cinder arch]

it's off gcd

[balmy condor]

cause VV damage spatters

[sudden brook]

Ah

So it's like a pure pure ST thing

(sprocket and nothing else)

[balmy condor]

yeh pretty much

[keen pecan]

you realize its off GCD, right?

[dreamy rover]

wow you live and you learn

just noticed

[sudden brook]

so gearing around an MA build is probably stupid

[cinder arch]

it's new to be fair

[balmy condor]

probably

[sudden brook]

and I should just optimize around VV builds

[balmy condor]

that's what I'm doin

[dreamy rover]

very good change

[golden loom]

Fuck MA!

[balmy condor]

they're kinda close enough anyway

[sudden brook]

Yeah setting up sin for the next few weeks so

I'm just figuring out all the details again

[balmy condor]

and if you're optimizing for a VV build then you automatically get bleed build for free kinda cause that likes haste too

nothing but wins

[golden loom]

I am gonna keep vanishing on bandit today and making some other melee BLOW UP!

[balmy condor]

assa finally has a raid build and m+ build that like the same stats

feels good man

[gloomy heart]

Now buff assa again guys

we aren’t S tier yet

[waxen oyster]

wait why does vv build like haste

[golden loom]

Yeah buff it so it gets nerfed later on!!

[waxen oyster]

or is it still sin likes everything

[balmy condor]

haste is better on VV

[wary light]

Dot tick rate + energy hungry is my guess

[balmy condor]

cause mut cost more

[molten galleon]

Assa still missing the "hidden" Trickster Raidbuff, kinda awkward to not play sub/outlaw as the only rogue

[waxen oyster]

but the energy gain from haste

[dawn heath]

I hate raiding on sin Rogue makes me wanna eat glue

[waxen oyster]

is so minimal

and dots kinda do piss as vv

[sudden brook]

This is what ended up simming best on pure ST

[gloomy heart]

Why lmao

[sudden brook]

For me atm

[dawn heath]

I am just constantly yelling at my tanks

Loudly

[gloomy heart]

isn’t this same as s1 build

[waxen oyster]

it is

[sudden brook]

U played VV for a bit in s1 iirc

[waxen oyster]

vv build is "new"

[sharp viper]

fatebound I guess?

[gloomy heart]

Da hell is VV

[sudden brook]

I'm not playing fatebound

[gloomy heart]

VV VV

[waxen oyster]

as of the last buff

[dreamy rover]

same tbh

havent bothered even looking at it

[last skiff]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ccsSREciEXVAJk6cP8cumy
Magnet is big in St?

[golden loom]

Fatebound sucks!

[dreamy rover]

fuck off coin dude

[balmy condor]

VV was good in s1 until tier set got buffed, then it wasn't anymore cause envenom got added to the tier and it was 10% stronger, then VV in s2 is good because they buffed mut/ambush hella a couple weeks ago

[molten galleon]

getting Aids by no getting lucky coin on pull. Fatebound Sucks!

[gloomy heart]

i need to find a guild, die on a boss and be called trash 🗑️

[red schooner]

Yeah, works with lingering darkness

[gloomy heart]

just bc i want to parse

[dawn heath]

First boss cant spatter bikes rik reverb cant spatter barrels stix tanks not tanking hyenas cant spatter one armed bandit cant spatter the adds cause tanks afk mugzee cant spatter goon caves gally cant spatter adds i cant play the game

[dreamy rover]

yo @balmy condor im about to start using symbolic victory over lingering darkness

ok?

[dawn heath]

What is it to like about this shit

[red schooner]

If it ain't in spatter range you ignore it

[dawn heath]

I get griefed each week by clueless tanks

[red schooner]

That's the sauce

[balmy condor]

sure bud lemme know how that goes

[sudden brook]

dude the bleed build is OP

[waxen oyster]

IDK why but

pvpers play that talent

for some reason

[balmy condor]

brainrot

[sudden brook]

I mega drooled in myself this dungeon why am I doing this much

[balmy condor]

I gues more deathmark burst idk

[balmy condor]

cause good build

don't have to sync cds with kb

free execute

more funnel

same/more st

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure pvp andys play a variant of bleed

[balmy condor]

it's a banger

[subtle tundra]

the wrath machine didnt really wrath at all or what

[waxen oyster]

with no kb either

[subtle tundra]

50k dps omega

[red schooner]

Machine broken

[sudden brook]

i didn't even have the right hero talent thing

[dawn heath]

Assa is very good in +10s cause u dont have to suffer long m+ Bosses and tank your dps

[balmy condor]

mcdonalds wrath machine

[sudden brook]

the 30% CT damage

[subtle tundra]

assa is due a 3% aura buff tbh

[sudden brook]

he healed and that's all I want a healer to do

[waxen oyster]

Bold of whispyr to assume

[sudden brook]

Healers doing DPs

as they do 5k hps can die

[waxen oyster]

the mcdonalds machine is ever on

[dreamy rover]

shiv-less sin?

im tryna learn how to theorycraft like you whispyr

[dawn heath]

Assa could use a st buff in their m+ build and take a sie aoe Nerf id happily take that

[balmy condor]

you're learning how to do the opposite

which I guess could help

[dreamy rover]

im CRAFTING alright

[subtle tundra]

or just an aura buff, blizz loves that!

[waxen oyster]

why does blizz have a fixation

for buffing rogue ability damage

not aura buff

[dawn heath]

Btw Ive simmed like all specs in m+ build

[golden loom]

I mean ability buff is more interesting

Mut/ambush buff very poggers

[balmy condor]

you ability buff when the profile looks strange, you aura buff when the profile is fine but underperforming

[sudden brook]

Bro ppl complained when they did aura buffs for the xact opposite reasons

"Why are they aura buffing rather than buffing individual spells, are the devs lazy?"

[dawn heath]

We are behind like the second worst spec by 200-700k and only 50k ahead of prot warrior

[sudden brook]

They can't win

[waxen oyster]

lets buff mutilate

because why not

[sudden brook]

It was a good buff

[golden loom]

Why are we comparing sims between classes again

[sudden brook]

It was a huge execute buff

How are u even complaining about that

[balmy condor]

the mut/ambush buff was actually insanely targetted

and correctly even

[subtle tundra]

smartest assa player

[dreamy rover]

surgical precision on that one

[dawn heath]

Cause sin single target is by far the worst spec ingame its not even close

[dreamy rover]

i just feel like it wasnt enough

[sudden brook]

What

[dreamy rover]

st is very bad in keys

[sudden brook]

Sim dps is fake tho

[dawn heath]

M+ build assa

[sudden brook]

Who cares

[dreamy rover]

3/10 ragebait

[dawn heath]

U guys dont play the game or

[sudden brook]

I can tell u I do more than 2.3m dps in raid

[balmy condor]

so is boomkin but that gets played perma who cares

[dawn heath]

It does tank damage in keys

[subtle tundra]

bro he keeps saying he is talking about m+

[dawn heath]

Whispye

[dreamy rover]

boomkins are doing at least 1.8 pure st

[sudden brook]

I know hes talking about M+

[dawn heath]

Boomy does good single target now

[dreamy rover]

sin is doing 1.5

[sudden brook]

I'm saying sim dps aint real

[dawn heath]

They got buffed twice

[balmy condor]

having giga aoe and doing zdps single target is way better than the other way around

where's all those giga sub keys

[dreamy rover]

true

[gloomy heart]

we need saving

[balmy condor]

if ST is so mighty important

[bronze pike]

yoou get what you get and dont get upset

[dawn heath]

Boomy does like 400k more st than assa

[bronze pike]

thats why im not really malding about rets st numbies

[dreamy rover]

yo i need you as my lawyer during keys

your arguments are impeccable

[bronze pike]

rather how it does st

[balmy condor]

I mean like yeah the st is poop, but what can you do idk

[subtle tundra]

well it is
sometimes when pushing its really important to kill bosses in a certain timeframe

[dawn heath]

If u play sin without raid buffs u sim 1.4mil

[balmy condor]

yeah to like 50 players then

they ain't tuning for that and you know that

[subtle tundra]

well im just providing the facts

[dawn heath]

They buffed bamkins

[sudden brook]

"Guys it's really important for the push ey meta" Yeah for all 10 of you

[subtle tundra]

not arguing for anything

[balmy condor]

yeah ik

[waxen oyster]

i simmed 1.6

without buffs

[balmy condor]

like ST is important in some situations sure

[waxen oyster]

last i checked

[dawn heath]

Its clearly a problem with the spec

I simmed 1.37 without buffs

In m+

[sudden brook]

Sometimes specs have weaknesses

[waxen oyster]

k gear is dogwater

[dreamy rover]

M.A. + Imp. Garrote simming 0.2% more on pure st for me, what do i play on a boss like bandit for example? VV or M.A. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ieS1aKTRTy41SpxQckTTZZ

[waxen oyster]

next

[sudden brook]

Sometimes u take every AOE talent in the game and ur ST is shit

[bronze pike]

yep

[dawn heath]

668

[balmy condor]

but blizzard isn't sitting there going "ah man, in a +19 floodgate the healer is running out of mana on swampface if there's an assa rogue in the group, should give that a st buff"

like

?????

[bronze pike]

its crazy to expect every meta comp to be all enhance shammy from seas on1

[subtle tundra]

it was really bad last season when i was pushing and just had bad rng on a boss so the tank would get one more tank buster on him so it meant all his defensives were fucked for the next 10 minutes

[balmy condor]

assa is very very good and the st doesn't matter for legit everyone out of title range and probably even the bottom portion of title range

literally who cares

[dawn heath]

Your dps last season was such a liability to your team

[runic hinge]

nerds

[dawn heath]

Made boss fights so hard

[dreamy rover]

tbh just bring a big ST class to cover your ass and call it a day

[bronze pike]

i do feel for key pushers

but at the same time

[sudden brook]

I love when specs have weaknesses

[dreamy rover]

please whospyr @runic hinge

[bronze pike]

the point of a never ending scaling content

[sudden brook]

Not an ironic comment

[balmy condor]

you play vv

[bronze pike]

is these points

[dreamy rover]

ok

[balmy condor]

if adds, you play vv

[waxen oyster]

nah every spec needs to be s1 enh shaman

[balmy condor]

if execute, you play vv

[dreamy rover]

ok perfect

[bronze pike]

you hit a wall

[waxen oyster]

where only downside is you need an aug to rimjob you before every oneshot

[bronze pike]

its harder to prog higher key levels unless you really start focusing on silly % things

to the point where you cant anymore

if you cant with one comp, then explore other options

impossible to balance specs around key content that gets stronger every level

[waxen oyster]

people acting like they already do

wf keys

[bronze pike]

without makign said spec stupid broken in general

idk about you

shammy being that strong in s1 in all content should never have happened

it should have had a clear weakness

[waxen oyster]

it probably wouldnt have been without aug

they dont live some onetaps

[dreamy rover]

just like uh dk this season

[bronze pike]

now im sure it did, but im not wordup to talk

[dreamy rover]

literally

[waxen oyster]

without aug

[bronze pike]

udk afaik

has a big weakness

rng

[analog field]

Also for just 0.2 it's surely better to play VV even if no adds and no execute

[balmy condor]

yeh, I mean specs would need to be way more homogenized if we want to live in a world where things are balanced the same in a +20 and +5

[bronze pike]

gl fishing bloodbeast when you actually nead it

[balmy condor]

just isn't possible

[dreamy rover]

doesnt matter at end of key

[bronze pike]

but i do agree

[dreamy rover]

with few bloodbeast procs it still smashes all other specs

[bronze pike]

unholy bloodbeast is its own problem

[balmy condor]

whats the logic on this

[bronze pike]

afaik

most udk mains hate it

cause its stupid rng

and fucks up rotation

and timers

[bright tartan]

It doesn’t

[waxen oyster]

i mean dont you ignore every button

[dreamy rover]

but i also agree with your point, and feel like shamans during S1 were stronger than uh dks now

[waxen oyster]

to press vamp

[runic hinge]

dont need to worry about vanish except if you fuck your mark

[bronze pike]

yep

[balmy condor]

yeh true

[bronze pike]

so your rotation devolves to vamp and deathcoil

big fun

wow

huge

[bright tartan]

Mister you are in assasination chat

[bronze pike]

totally fine cause it does 19721972181298 level keys right?

yes

[bright tartan]

People press mutualite and envenom with 58 apm

[bronze pike]

i have a sin fix for you whispyr

[dreamy rover]

actually ass

[sudden brook]

but on pure st you don't have to worry about mark..

[bronze pike]

since we're in sin chat

[analog field]

If you somehow fuck up the mark or get parried etc

[balmy condor]

I was swapping adds on bandit with vanish it was a little cringe

[sudden brook]

I mean I got MA setup for sprocket build idk bro

Why tf not

Free damage

[dreamy rover]

yo internal bleed is so ass 🥀

[west crown]

Just sprint around and rupture all 3 adds, back to boss. Problem solved

[balmy condor]

💀

[dreamy rover]

crazy energy value