assassination

[lyric vale]

About pandemic thing
Rapture and garrot should i re apply them before pandemic or i can do it while their are on that

[balmy condor]

pandemicc is there for you to refresh your dots

that is the point of it existing

[lyric vale]

Oki oki
And also should i maintain 2 stack of envenom on target at anycost even if its mean doing it on 4 combo point?

[balmy condor]

we don't care about envenom uptime

finishing on 4 is troll as shit though

you literally just don't proc your deathstalker mark

[lyric vale]

Yeah there was to much dps loss when i did it one time

[lyric vale]

Yup yup

Becouse i saw 2 envenome bar in weak aura i thought its there for uptime of both stack

[balmy condor]

it technically is there

but we just don't care about it anymore

kind of unlucky

[lyric vale]

Okay so i understand it wrong then

And if i dry shive before my 2nd kingsbane for edge of night
Then i got one shiv for next kingsbane sooo i should use that shive before going into kingsbane or on last 6 sec of next kingsbane

[balmy condor]

last 8

[lyric vale]

Oki oki

Hahaha im minmaxing this shit today

[turbid scaffold]

Thanks for the bleed spec. My M+ friends are like: WTF happen to you. your dps shoot up.

[balmy condor]

[lyric vale]

Yeah that shit is hella fun and good

Can i send log here?

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[lyric vale]

Ohhh

[balmy condor]

we usually don't have enough people to do log reviews

[lyric vale]

😭

[balmy condor]

everyone wants to have their log reviewed, few want or actually can review it

[lyric vale]

Lemme check wow analyzer

Ahh its working

Okay i just need to practice done 2.4 dps on carnage so i think i just need to get used on my buttons sorry i switch from outlaw and sub and im a bit noob here sorry for my randome questions

[worn geyser]

how would you go about simming things like how much of a difference it is to shiv before kb, after KB or during last 8 seconds for the 2nd KB? would u just go deep dive into some simc documentation or is that kinda thing not easily configured

[balmy condor]

you'd have to alter the APL the sim uses

would be a matter of just changing the logic of the line in question

or disabling the line and adding new ones that fit that function

[worn geyser]

ah not so bad, figure thats probably the easiest way than bugging a million questions on finding out why /how much something is better than xyz for a ton of small things

thank u

[balmy condor]

yeh, usually we don't spend a lot of time asking "how much worse would it be to do things incorrectly

typically its how much better is it to do X thing

[worn geyser]

true i suppose especially for that example cause its rather easy to do the optimal thing

[balmy condor]

not only that but it's also pretty obvious why it's better

[worn geyser]

ye buffs the latter bigger ticks

[idle inlet]

How much of a gain is it to pool energy before kingsbane in st? Am i hard trolling if i pop kingsbane with an empty energy bar and my bleeds are about to pandemic

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[idle inlet]

150 is half right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[idle inlet]

And were not pooling anymore when we cant maintain double envenom buff?

[balmy condor]

correct

there is no rotational impact from envenoms buff

have it, don't have it, spam it, hold it

doesn't matter

[ancient tangle]

What is the interaction between Bait and Switch and Elusiveness for Evasion ? does it results in a +36% dr on magic dmg like for Feint and Eva with Elusiveness ?

[balmy condor]

yes

damage reductions are multiplicative

[ancient tangle]

oh ok thx 🙂

[balmy condor]

damage increases are as well technically

basically everything is

[ancient tangle]

yes i understand that ^^

[balmy condor]

poison application chances are weird in that regard

those are additive

[ancient tangle]

i yes Improved Poison for exemple ?

[balmy condor]

yeah, that's an additive 5%

same with envenom's buff

[ancient tangle]

oki

[balmy condor]

dtb is a multiplier though

[ancient tangle]

wut

[balmy condor]

so like poisons have a base of 30%, envenom's buff is 30%, imp poison is 5%

so all of that would be 65%

[ancient tangle]

yup

[balmy condor]

but dtb is a global multiplier

0.7*

so it makes the base rate 21%, envenom's buff 21%

3.5% on imp poison

[ancient tangle]

ah yes ok and then 21 + 21 + 3.5

[balmy condor]

ye

[ancient tangle]

ok ty ^^

but wait for evasion + bait and switch + feint does it means it is a total 0.49% dr on magic ?

with elusivness

i mean 49% sorry

[balmy condor]

yes

[velvet nacelle]

so i just had a weird bug; mechagon 10 and my venomous wounds and like everything just wasn't working, indiscriminate carnage was proc'ing and i'd spread my dots but i got no energy and i never got caustic spatter until we got in the vehicle after the garden boss

then when i landed everything worked

literally changed nothing but getting in the vehicle

[balmy condor]

[velvet nacelle]

yeah, literally nothing else changed

i had resolved to just be broken in there

[scarlet sequoia]

did u have poisons on

[velvet nacelle]

yeah

i didn't do anything from the second boss other than hit stuff, didn't have caustic spatter on the double drill fight

landed, first pack after and i had caustic spatter and started getting energy again

i can say that sin feels HORRIBLE without venomous wounds

[balmy condor]

losing half your energy regen sucks, yes

[velvet nacelle]

more than half

definitely was in a weird character state

can someone post a details breakdown of overall damage from a 10+ key rq? i'm p sure i'm also misplaying besides being broken that time

i guess i could just look up wcl

nm

[worn geyser]

when going into the second kb window, with only one shiv charge due to dry shiv, is it more optimal to have envenom buff going into kb or pooling to ~ 150? and how much time if any would you delay if it meant having higher envenom uptime during kb?

basically is it just always best to have envenom pre-rolling like in the opener for kb even if it means you have to delay a a few secs

[ionic birch]

hi all ! I recently respecced to the Bleed Assa build for M+. My questions is how much haste should I aim for? I tried to find some consensus online but failed so far.

[subtle tundra]

meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[blazing pumice]

you don't aim, you sim

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[worn geyser]

i love u thank u

it makes sense its that way but like idk with other stuff like the charged cp we kinda ignore so i wasnt sure if it simmed close or if im hard trolling by not prerolling it into a kb

[balmy condor]

prerolling into a kb is important because every poison you apply ramps kb

so applying poisons in the first second or two are way way way more important than the last seconds

it's the only point in time where poison applications actually matter

[flat leaf]

Quick question. Started the bleed build. Blasting in Aoe. Single target lowkey feels like shit but i assumed thats just how it is. Am i right? (New to rogue btw)

[balmy condor]

yes

single target is bad regardless of talents

with bleed build doing the most technically unless you go well out of your way to spec into single target talents

[velvet nacelle]

i don't think i'm CT'ing enough

[flat leaf]

Word. Thank you

[grim jay]

imo saying its "shit" kinda isnt true, like its obviously not good but you shouldnt be a mile behind. some people do way less than they should and just blame it on the spec

[jolly heath]

is there any spec that has worse st than bleed assa?

[velvet nacelle]

i'm finishing most pure st fights at like 1.5ish

[grim jay]

thats fine probably

[flat leaf]

I mean i know im not playing it 100% optimal. Thats why i said “lowkey feels like shit” and didnt call it shit😂

[subtle tundra]

yeah some tanks

[balmy condor]

hybrid assa

[jolly heath]

damn

[grim jay]

ye it was just a general statement

because there have been people like that in here

[velvet nacelle]

i feel like sin has a flatter damage profile than it used to

i used to feel like we had a massive opener then kind of fell off until cds came back, now it feels like we're pretty consistent unless i'm doing my aoe 100% wrong

like i generally finish keys around 2.5-3m on both sin and sub but with sub it's very spikey

[rotund oak]

feel is a key word but ye

we shouldnt spike as we used to

[velvet nacelle]

oh yeah it's absolutely feely-crafting on this

[flat leaf]

Im having lots of fun with it, was just making sure im not doing anything to terribly wrong

[velvet nacelle]

as long as you're having fun you're winning 🙂

gonna read over the sin guide by our man again before i do more sin keys

[gentle delta]

just wanted to make sure before making a new char, does shadowmeld allow u to restealth in chainpulls?

or is it more impactful overall than having dwarf racial?

[balmy condor]

shadowmeld could allow you to restealth in chainpulls sometimes

but it's finnicky

racials in general are not very important so just pick whatever you think looks the best

[grim jay]

but I cant seem to find you on the selection screen

you certainly do look best

[pliant remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[midnight mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?ex=65592c45&is=6546b745&hm=6a1849f8319d284826b46f6e257e341b8146d1cfe4944d74f6c4442650e080e5&

[gentle delta]

i like any cus i like making new mogs for diff races but was wondering which one would make my life easier

pushing for title this season

i know dwarf atleast helps a lot in workshop

[jaunty matrix]

Dwarf is stonks this season

So many bleeds

[stable pasture]

Is poison assa even that much more st?

[velvet nacelle]

i feel like i need to find a way to get kingsbane and deathmark into my aoe rotations more

[red schooner]

It's slightly less

[winged sun]

well I wouldn’t play my build in a +12 unless ur grp has mega aoe and does season 1 boss dmg

Glad it’s working for you tho

Bleed build is rly op in such low keys

[tawdry halo]

i love my AOTC guild

top dps on stix

this is the life

great for my ego

[haughty flicker]

real

[jade hemlock]

is it always worth to mutilate at 6cp if you have darkest night up?

[indigo sphinx]

In raid yes in M+ you fok

[haughty flicker]

You can also fok in raid if you aren’t using vicious venoms

[velvet nacelle]

If mobs are dying too quickly for Caustic Spatter or you are new to the spec and Caustic Spatter is still too difficult to track
what's difficult about tracking caustic spatter? like am i missing something?

[royal lantern]

nothing really

[analog field]

my question would be if i mutilate a mob and caustic spatter is cast, and then i mutilate another mob and again caustic is cast but from this mob is it different from mutilating the 1st one twice?

[velvet nacelle]

like i spread dots through IC or even manually in terrible situations, usually trying to make sure i end up on my priority target, rupture, mutilate then send it

[tawdry halo]

you've moved the caustic spatter

otherwise same

[analog field]

yeah the question was do i somehow lose dmg by doing this but i guess no ?

[tawdry halo]

nope

[velvet nacelle]

well, technically you lose the gcd of the mutilate

[royal lantern]

...what?

[velvet nacelle]

and if you aren't getting 100% damage out of every GCD why are you even playing this game?

jk of course

[royal lantern]

i mean, can only having 1 active

[humble owl]

hey search WA for garrote target count please

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tawdry halo]

yous till cast 2 mutilates

[velvet nacelle]

i rebuilt target grid

[royal lantern]

but why do you need arget count for garrote lol

[velvet nacelle]

why would you cast 2 mutilates?

[analog field]

yeah because i had read wowhead that said caustic is difficult to track and i was like ok if i recast it from another mob what's the problem

[tawdry halo]

you wouldnt

[velvet nacelle]

oh we're agreeing

you were more succinct, i get it

[tawdry halo]

but casting a mutilate on2 targerts, or casting mutilate twice on one target is the same

yeh haha

[velvet nacelle]

i think i need to swap to more of a hybrid build for these higher keys now

[tawdry halo]

sim yourself on dungeon slice

both good, depends on stats

[velvet nacelle]

i love that there's a "delve talents" section on wowhead

my delve talents are quite literally "whatever i was just doing"

[tawdry halo]

relevant for healers

[analog field]

there should be a solo delve talnet build and a group one

[tawdry halo]

or, was last season

[velvet nacelle]

it's a well documented section and i appreciate the effort that went into it

but it feels unnecessary

i want to use arterial precision

but i feel like every time i've tried a build with it... it didn't perform

[balmy condor]

The problem is that your deathstalker mark and caustic should be on the same target

[velvet nacelle]

there it is, that's what i was overlooking

when you're spreading dots with IC, do you change targets and hope for 3 fresh garrote/ruptures or do you just stay on your main target?

[indigo sphinx]

Its optimal to swap, especially on bleed build

With hybrid as long as you have 5 ruptures you arent losing too much by not swapping but

When you get comfortable

You should swap

[velvet nacelle]

my usual approach is i go in targetted on whatever my priority target is gonna be, ambush, garrote, rupture, change targets, rupture, garrote, garrote (I don't swap on this one), CT, then go back to main target to mut

the not swapping on the 3rd garrote is more laziness

but usually things are such a mess by then that clicking the right name plate is annoying and i don't trust tab to take me to a "good" target anyways so i just wanna get to the CT and get back to the main target

so i think i sort of accidentally fell on my mark being on the right target for spatter anyways

[analog field]

if you tab once you can shift tab to go back to previous target

[velvet nacelle]

i haven't trusted tab since like TBC

but that is an incredible piece of advice

[analog field]

i remapped it also to a more convenient key (it is the target previous target so cant go wrong)

[velvet nacelle]

it just goes back once right?

[analog field]

y

[velvet nacelle]

like i can't tab 3 times then shift tab 3 times to get back on the same target

[analog field]

yeah right

[velvet nacelle]

that's good to know though

there's no reason to refresh CT other than pandemic right?

and if it's less than 5 targets probably better to left it fall off and re-apply?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[sharp viper]

CT sniping

[analog field]

even if it is applied to like half the mobs? like a chain pull or something ?

[balmy condor]

Well if it’s not applied then you’re not really refreshing CT are you

You’re just applying it

[native heron]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hearty seal]

gib?

[unborn isle]

I took 3k io

But im so frustrated with my class

[subtle tundra]

good, let the rage flow through you

[unborn isle]

I dont understand why my single is so bad, and ever in boss i dont have energy

[wide wyvern]

Do i crimson tempest in ST in keys ?

[unborn isle]

Mayb i need do rampage?

[subtle tundra]

rampage is the warrior spell

you cant do that

[normal mist]

single bad because thats how assassination works

[unborn isle]

I mean ramping

[normal mist]

you sacrificed ST for AoE

[unborn isle]

My english is very bad

[subtle tundra]

there is nothing reasonable you can do for your single target to be good

thats the spec

you should play something else if it bothers you

[unborn isle]

That no bother me

My tank ever say my dmg is so bad to do theather of pain

[normal mist]

fuck your tank

[unborn isle]

Thanks

Read that make me happy

[iron vapor]

There's still plenty of AOE in ToP

[normal mist]

Assassination M+:

• VERY GOOD AoE, infinite energy;
• Very mediocre ST damage;

[unborn isle]

Thanks brothers

So i have another question

That build without kingsbane

Is good for 13-14 m +

??

[normal mist]

yes

[unborn isle]

❤️

[lucid rune]

I was today years old when I found out CT snapshots

#bleedbuild

[normal mist]

more targets more dmg

[sick mantle]

When looking at top assa rogues on raider.io, it seems they are not playing the bleed build ?

[unborn isle]

That why im asking

Because i wanna push 14

Mayb that build its better

For do that

[scarlet sequoia]

bleed build is prob best up until 17 ish

after that you have to play different stuff depending on key

[dawn seal]

did we get any buffs

oh what is rupture snipe

[winged quail]

rupture a target that's about to die for a big energy refund

[sacred schooner]

put rupture on mob before he dies

[jade hemlock]

does the refund on energy from sniping scale with CPs used?

[winged quail]

yeah

technically scales with rupture duration left

[jade hemlock]

Gotcha, is there math on that somewhere i.e 1cp or 12sec grants 50 energy refunded

something like that

[balmy condor]

5 energy per second remaining

[jade hemlock]

Thank you

[dawn seal]

oomg

WHISPYR DO U REMEMBER M E ASKING ABOUT THAT

[wary light]

Rupture sniping is proving to be a blessing on OAB

Yoink a quick rupture on an add, +150 energy

[stable pasture]

So bleed is stonks for lower keys but 15+ where you get less sudden demise value people are still poison?

[worldly night]

is anyone else getting some wierd bug where it doesnt seem like deathstalkers mark stacks are removing on 5 point useage?

[earnest remnant]

SD doesent really get "less" value in higher keys

thats just people not understanding the talent

[worthy shell]

Hi guys, i have a question
Why sometimes my caustic doesn't proc? I have rupture and deadly poison on target 😞

[nova aspen]

if target is a raid boss he might parry u

or target could be evading

i think there is another reason but i forget

[normal mist]

are you mutilating AFTER both are applied to the target?

[worthy shell]

Yes 😦

[normal mist]

do you have caustic talented?

[worthy shell]

Ofc

[normal mist]

can you make a video and replicate it not getting applied?

[hearty seal]

wait but how does rupture sniping even work
like, you spend combo to get rupture
to get combo 5 for 150 energy, you had to invest at least a couple hits of either muti, ambush or FoK (if there were enough targets)
which means that unless you got lucky with blindsides, you spent about as much energy on that rupture (say it's a double muti + rupture in raid build, so 145 energy to gain 150-ish), but you aren't using Envenom and therefore losing that damage, in exchange for functionally two Mutilates being free?

and giving ~25% more energy than intended in game.
I suppose that's the reason, you actually end up ahead by a bit

but it also slows down your DSM consumption on main target...

[unborn isle]

where can i get a good talents of bleed

here are info about it?

here is}

[shy axle]

@stable pasture has nothing to do with SD, bleed has a few other things that make it good

[normal mist]

wowhead.com

[weary spear]

No

[shy axle]

wowhead has them

[unborn isle]

ty

[lucid rune]

So is bleed build best in most content? Or is it preferential

[normal mist]

most content

[lucid rune]

And CT in ST?

[normal mist]

yes

[lucid rune]

Sweet

Into it

[solar wyvern]

Snipe something with 2-3 cp and gain 100 energy. Snipe something with 7 and you refill your bar. Its energy efficient since mut+rupture is 85 energy in vv and you can gain 100+ energy in return

[lucid rune]

Rupture sniping is mainly for energy vs SD?

[normal mist]

energy

[manic haven]

!macros

[normal mist]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[solar wyvern]

Rupture sniping in raid is for energy, in m+ sure snipe a 40 sec deathmark rupture at 30mil with a shiv and watch a mob go kaboom

You dont really snipe in m+ since you'd have rupture already applied to everything you can for agility+energy

[humble verge]

aint no way

the pope died after JD vance visisted

[sly jacinth]

for shiv to aoe soothe, it's just arterial precision right?

[solar wyvern]

Yes

[prime hull]

Does assa apply stronger non damaging poisons than other specs? I remember some talent where atrophic poison and leaching poison was stronger on assa than sub in the past but im not sure if thats still the case? Is that from our mastery?

[gusty mirage]

that's master poisoner, it got moved to the class tree

used to be assa only tho

pre-dragonflight

also imp shiv used to give the bonus to the poisons

but they caked that into base shiv

[prime hull]

Ahhh thats what i remember, thank you.

[rich parrot]

i need help to make a sim i want to know how much the pi gives me in execute on mugzee MM avce 20 stack of eye of kezan anyone have an idea how to do this? on the 5 min cds and 7min cds

[haughty lantern]

just play outlaw 4head

don't need to care about pi or lust

[rich parrot]

enemy=Fluffy_Pillow
enemy_initial_health_percentage=35

I'm supposed to write something like this, right?

[tranquil crystal]

Hi, where is explained The assa build where it plays without kingsbane??? Thank

[coral ibex]

wowhead

[tranquil crystal]

Is not

[coral ibex]

it is

[tranquil crystal]

Wowhead explain The rotation with kingsbane

[coral ibex]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#aoe-priority

[coral ibex]

[tranquil crystal]

K thx

[red cloak]

hey out of curiosity, why is rogue the second least played class? even monk is ahead of it now, and only evoker is behind from what I’ve seen

[coral ibex]

nobody knows

[shy axle]

how do you play the first boss in floodgate? i gar/rupt/ct but i am unsure if i should use dm on boss -> focus adds or dm an add

[coral ibex]

i think there's a perception that rogue is difficult to learn

or something

i literally just had a random guildmate say they assumed rogue was really hard and that's why nobody plays it

doing keys last night

[sour elm]

There are many reasons; some objective to rogue place in high end content and other reasons that are more subjective.

Objective reasons can be effort vs payoff in dps when comparing to other classes. Subjective can be as simple as they don't have cool enough effects.

There are many reddit threads on this that display the reasoning and they are generally fun reads.

[red schooner]

May not be optimal so people probably have better solutions, but how I normally play it is start with deathstalkers on an add, deathmark on boss during damage amp and use darkest night to transfer deathstalkers mark to boss, post damage amp normally use a vanish to get garrotes/ruptures out on adds and move deathstalkers back to an add.

Probably not the best play but thats working for me.

[nova aspen]

did 6.5m on big momma in a 15 flood last night

i dm'd the boss on pull

and it was up for 2nd dmg amp

i also got pi twice, but that was a new record for me

imo u always sit boss for funnel

[coral ibex]

this is also my thought

[royal lantern]

no flashy animations or stuff that feels like a "big impactfull hit"

low animations in general, rogue is using the same 4-5 on repeat all the time, like 50% of rogue animations are ambush lol

no big rogue Characters

its a class that has a reputation for being very hard to play (which we know is kinda not really true)

bad in Solo Content because it has very low sustain

another thing is, while rogue is not HARD to play overall, its a class that has bigger failstates then other classes, and things tend to be less intuitive in how they do dmg/what you should do

and, well, rogue was just never really popular in WoW

[nova aspen]

to the average casual, rogue is very difficult to play

maybe not assassination, but definitely the other 2

the mog/mount and achievement hunters would never play subtlety and they are the majority playerbase

[royal lantern]

even assa is

like, we think is all easy to understand cus we play it and know some stuff

[nova aspen]

most specs are just press the glowy button

[royal lantern]

but rogue in general has this thing where stuff is jst less intuitive then it is on more or less everything else

just look at CDs

compare Deathmark with 90% of dps cds in the game

normally they all just say "yeha you do X% more dmg now"

meanwhile deathmark is "all your bleeds and lethal poisons are doubled on this 1 target"

another thing is, rogue is 1 of the "left behind" classes in utility

not having BL or a CR kinda sucks in 2025

[nova aspen]

yea its just not the ideal class for completionists

[tacit urchin]

should i be crafting dagger with my remaining spark? https://raider.io/characters/us/garrosh/Disturbd

[rotund oak]

without even watching ur char

the first thing u wanna craft

always

is wpn

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[rotund oak]

seen u around

makes me happy

uwu

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[static glacier]

just confirming

spatter just works on mugzee adds ye

no need to void elf cheese the cages etc?

[turbid harbor]

Both things you said are true

You can spatter goons from outside the cages from hitting the boss if it’s positioned correctly

[static glacier]

I mean like the mages cooking

[turbid harbor]

And there’s no need to void elf cheese anymore

Because there isn’t a dps check, you stop dps anyway before intermission

[static glacier]

ty btw zolbar

and gz on gally

[red cloak]

yeah I noticed half the animations are same things lmao. if we got some new animations that would be sick. ngl though the sounds for our spells are still fire. I love the sound of rupture, CT, ambush/shadowstrike, fan of knives and shuriken storm. and yeah it is pretty overwhelming at first, I still don’t get how to play sub outside pvp and I don’t get how to play sin inside pvp. I don’t touch outlaw because crackshot is lame. new animations would be cool. a bit more team utility would be cool too, but I think as far as personals we are fine? but yeah, for a casual to pick up rogue I’m sure it would be hard but it’s fun, I can’t stand playing ret paladin or bm hunter too boring

[static glacier]

it feels like shit when levelling, 24/7 out of energy on all specs

that's also another reason

[red cloak]

oh true I don’t know why they don’t make some of the good passives accessible way earlier so you don’t have to play like in classic where you just auto 90% of the fight lmao

[quartz cloak]

I remember watching pshero leveling rogue in mop remix and it was absolute comedy how bad it was

[static glacier]

other than all the mentioned reasons another is that we aren't super desirable

no MANDATORY raid buff + melee dps only

very selfish class, a lot of personal survivability and mobility but we bring little to help others

[pure moth]

We auto now to regen energy for talents. I call it practice lol

[red cloak]

I think warrior is in that same boat right

[static glacier]

rallying cry + b shout

are both significantly better raid utility

[scarlet orbit]

Warris also benefit for their raid is stackable still a second warri brings more then a second rogue

[static glacier]

than what rogue brings

if atro worked like devo aura

we'd be in a better spot

[red cloak]

why do I always see people complaining warriors are trash then because all they bring is dps 😭

[static glacier]

warriors have had issues with their m+ utility for a while, recently they fixed them iirc

[red cloak]

oh shi what did they do?

[static glacier]

stuff like not being able to take shockwave without losing dps

they redid their class talent tree

[red cloak]

oh did they take it off gcd or something

[static glacier]

nah its just alot easier to take now

before it competed with capstone stuff like d roar

[red cloak]

ohhh okay I see

[scarlet orbit]

You dont grief your dmg to take your utility which should not be a thing in the first place for basic stuff like a aoe cc

[red cloak]

thunderous roar is fire, I hate spear

[static glacier]

other than that warriors had survivability issues in high keys

they've recieved quite a few defensive buffs

recently in their hero trees

[red cloak]

arms warrior had it the worst imo

[static glacier]

on the flip side warriors have some crazy good situations to cheese stuff with spell reflect

they're really mobile

[scarlet orbit]

warri in m+ has also a problem that its raid buff is on the weaker side just because for a lot of specs its just does nothing

[red cloak]

imagine rogue or warrior having half the utility of druid lol

I’ve heard that people don’t like the idea though because it’s “homogenizing all the classes”

takes away uniqueness

[swift bluff]

From tank perspective, you know how many times I look past Warrior and Rogue because of utility needs?

There’s your homogenizing argument (against)

[scarlet orbit]

Also i feel like which gets often overlooked that you can have all the utility in the world if your dmg isnt there you arent gonna get picked. DK doesnt give you that much group utility but the dmg makes more then up for that etc

[red cloak]

I agree, if you give something good to most classes without something equivalent to the others missing it then why take them

[swift bluff]

Lore wise, why doesn’t Warrior have bloodlust lol

Bloodcraze type roar that sends the whole group into a crazed haste

Makes sense to me

[broken chasm]

will the bleed key be the best for all? Are there keys on which the hybrid works better?>

[red cloak]

I don’t know, AMZ and death grip are pretty good and you can AMS cheese a lot of stuff

[scarlet orbit]

Yes which classes have bl and what not feels a bit random also that every mail spec has it for w/e reason xD

[red cloak]

assassination has 20 different bleeds but no bloodlust? okay blizz

[swift bluff]

That said, I don’t do high enough pushes to need everything optimal. Did two 12’s this week with drums. No problems

[scarlet orbit]

Oh there is a big problem there. Drums this saison are HELLA expensive. I also know a 17 dfc got timed with no lust and drums because they all forgot to buy some xD

[sour elm]

Adding the pug perspective, I pug almost all of my keys; and I'd almost never take a rogue when ret paladins and mages exist.
They meet to main utility requirements plus I know a poorly played ret paladin will do infinitely more dam than a poorly played rogue, so there is a big risk factor in pugging a rogue.

mage is a bit shakier though, Ive seen some trash fire mages

[swift bluff]

Yea I only take rogues because I main one. I know what good ones are capable of. But on my pick list, they’re not the top of it

[scarlet orbit]

Its good but its not that good compared to other classes. The other extrem is aug it still has insane utility but so less dmg that you would never take one if your not trying to grief yourself.

In most saison the spec you bring happens to do the also very close to the best dmg otherwise the saisons would be pretty much always the same because blizzard bearly touches utility

[red cloak]

you’d think they’d do something about it by now

[swift bluff]

Every time I’m picking over rogues, a little “I’m sorry my fellow rogue friend” goes through my head

[red cloak]

warrior lust, a bit of utility for rogue warrior, and a touch more for DK bc their damage isn’t always going to be OP like right now

I don’t know about other classes

[scarlet orbit]

its exremtly hard to "do" something about it. Because you would need to streamline so much if you give everyone the same cc/dmg the answer would be ok lets now max on good raid buffs if you streamline that we would enter a world at some point where everything feels a bit the same which is also not desirable

[swift bluff]

Smokescreen aoe stun? Could be used for the orb affix too?!

[red cloak]

so the homogenization thing

[red cloak]

tbh smoke bomb in pve would be kinda sick

[scarlet orbit]

One i would like the instant fix
Why does blind dont work in m+ on machines like i know the lore etc and it makes no sense but getting nerfed in specific dungeons just that it happens that there are machine in it feels bad and its not even consitant sometimes it still work on some machine mobs

[swift bluff]

Yep! Esp with 3 dungeons this rotation having so many mechs/bots

[scarlet orbit]

Yep and in our comb we have a resto druide with roar is also a fear which doesnt work either and a sp so we have a dh and shami which need to take care of this stuff

Also a thing i dont like but doesnt feel so strong about is the different dispel for different stuff. Like in plagefall back then it was so important to have the right dispel or your tank is just crying

[swift bluff]

Yea there’s defo a fine line on meta classes, homogenizing, and getting appetizing classes for M+. I’m kind of past the whole dps ranking thing. There’s very few classes anymore that I’m like “worthless damage. Nope”. almost anything played well shows up.

[feral wasp]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[red schooner]

Yeah the lack of utility is kind of.... eh. Feels like we're outclassed by pretty much everything else. I can bring big damage but like, so can most other classes when played well. Even shroud is kind of useless now because every other mob has true sight

[scarlet orbit]

Shroud feels like a bad mindsooth since a few saisons

[rapid dust]

Hi rogues! Just switched from Outlaw to play Assa in keys, which should be top dps skills in overall at the end of the key? I am using bleeds builds currently (with no KB)

[scarlet orbit]

Crimson tempest

[normal mist]

^

[scarlet orbit]

Also if you play bleed build by a big margin aswell

[rapid dust]

I am doing it well I guess then

[swift bluff]

Speaking of: What’s the best way to shroud last two packs of mechagon? Everytime we’ve tried, only works okay with group very closely huddled and the warrior/DH leaping through the last pack while we follow.

If paladin or bear, the true sight last pack always meets us and pulls big pack too

[red schooner]

Like, I understand that blizzard wouldn't want a shroud/stealth meta, but there's gotta be a middle ground between that and it being mostly worthless most of the time

[rapid dust]

This is how it looks like

[scarlet orbit]

The tank need to go ahead and the other need to be a bit behind

[scarlet orbit]

Yea there was a point where you kinda needed a shroud to play the dungoen optimally which is kinda bad because it locks in rogue in 1 dd spot and a locked spot is never good

[red schooner]

I feel like smoke bomb coming back would be huge, like a mass DK grip for packs where casters/ranged mobs are all over the place, I'd like that.

[winged sun]

spatter can do more in other builds

[scarlet orbit]

Yea but he said he plays bleed 😄

[winged sun]

and you said this

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

nah im jk

[scarlet orbit]

Yea i know i specified that on bleed builds it a big margin but i see why its not clear. My English is sadly not the best sorry

[humble verge]

but your CT should be much higher uptime, but its a learning curve

[winged sun]

np

[rapid dust]

Hahaha i know i know

I am 660 and its my second time as assa

this was priory 10, but definetly i've got a loot to learn

there's a lot to take care playing Assa, but I was paying more attention to not dropping Caustic Spatter than CT, now I know CT should be my first prio

[rotund oak]

The mechano-core amp trinket from delves drops only from goblin delves?(aside being 1 per week rng)

havent seen it ever

[static glacier]

I thought the loot pool is global

to all delves

aka shared

[rotund oak]

yeah same,im just wondering a this point

been spamin them delves like a mfkr

[static glacier]

ngl I pref pacemaker's reliability

its also a ton easier to get at hero track

[scarlet orbit]

That would be so stupid because you cannt see the lootpool of a specific dwelf but its still blizzard soooo

[rotund oak]

im gonna burn my 1st coin on house of cards,2nd(assuming we get more) for pacemaker

be done with the trinkets

although trinkets kinda suck this tier idk

nothing rly shines

more like there are 3-4 good ones and rest meh

[spice surge]

It was more worth to upgrade my belt than it was to upgrade my trinket this tier

[rotund oak]

at which point

coz u can have a green belt vs an epic trinket

[spice surge]

Well its +3 ilvls on either

So it doesnt really matter

[rotund oak]

assuming thats true yeah

speaks volumes about trinkets this tier

[rapid dust]

Eye of Kezan seems (and sims) awesome as well

[sour elm]

do we know how dinars are going to work yet?

[rotund oak]

yes we get them somehow

[sour elm]

lmao

[rotund oak]

and go to the vendor

[spice surge]

Relative to other trinkets this tier and expac ye

[rotund oak]

[spice surge]

Relative to dragonflight trinkets its horrible

Most trinkets now are worth 8-9% total compared to no trinket. Ashes and grieftorch was 13-14%

[rotund oak]

grieftorch was very normal btw

nothing wrong or exploitable

[spice surge]

Im talking about sim number, so thats without resets

[rotund oak]

and the jumpbug

[sour elm]

grieftorch on my ret paladin during the last season was an amazing time

[rotund oak]

firing like 100 hits

or was it ashes

cant recall

[spice surge]

Spymaster prenerf is the exception, arcane mages are still using it if they have it

[rotund oak]

yeah pretty much

very balanced trinket

nothing's wrong

barely outsimmed by this tier hero track trinkets

mage is very balanced in general btw,now that we've mentioned

nothing's wrong

[static glacier]

makes me wonder why we put up with being melee

when they do that much damage + free cleave

like 6 defensives

idk man

only shit that class doesn't have is an on demand sprint button

[rotund oak]

as a mage,i choke on most of ranged mechanics

[static glacier]

and scorch kinda does that anyway

[rotund oak]

and i dont care coz barrier/at

[static glacier]

homie the fact they can get inside both cages, hit both adds then get out

tells you something

[rapid dust]

Somebody very well positioned in Blizard mains mage (fire probably)

[static glacier]

historically it has to be the best spec in the game

[rotund oak]

yup if not the best one of the best for sure

[static glacier]

competition would have been affliction but affli has had issues for a while now

[royal lantern]

m+ yes

raid its bettwen mage and warlock

[rapid dust]

There's always one good mage spec since I've been playing

[static glacier]

there's been occasional tiers where best mage spec is middle of the pack

[rapid dust]

Bfa (fire mage), SL (fire and frost), DF (fire dominancy)

[static glacier]

df was arcane

for first tier

2nd tier was arc / frost til fire buffs

[rotund oak]

DF mage was pretty solid on all 3 specs,arcane got nerfed after s2 iirc

[static glacier]

3rd they were all mid tbh

[royal lantern]

the good old "2nd tier of an expansion, time to giga buff fire" patch

every single time

[static glacier]

tbf fire was wack for prog

it then got giga omega buffed and was crushing everything

I remember the hotfix nerfs

[rotund oak]

fire was stupid from one point an onwards with all the buffs on everything

so much raw dmg with everything

[static glacier]

going back before modern fire

like cata mop

its crit scaling (yes scaling was a thing back then, they didn't homogenise stat scaling like now) was absurd

I remember council of elders in tot, combustion dot did like 2x a regular dps' dmg

[proud pelican]

Was combustion still a dot in mop? I only remember it in cata

[bronze marsh]

yeah

p sure it was legion that it changed

[sly jacinth]

i notice in a lot of logs, on ST, people are sending a shiv after the opener around 40s. is there a gain to doing this compared to holding for your next kb so you have double shiv?

[balmy condor]

yes, that's the dry shiv

[sly jacinth]

gotcha, looking at logs, i assume the intent is to send the dry shiv before DN and during lingering darkness?

are there any numbers on what % gain it is to doing it this way, by any chance? just curious

[coral ibex]

there used to be a pin about it but not anymore

[red schooner]

I think it was a minor gain but do you really want to deprive yourself of the giga envenom?

[coral ibex]

its a marginal gain but the envenom is FAT

[sly jacinth]

[coral ibex]

30m on vexie damage amp phase

[red schooner]

When you hit for over 32mil on vexie its just

[sly jacinth]

i see a section about it in the wowhead guide, ill give it a sniff

thanks team!

[red schooner]

Especially with adds around getting caustic'd

[balmy condor]

yeh it's been a while and it's been in guides

not really "new" information

[red schooner]

I play raids for the giga envenom, I do keys for the giga demise, these are my main goals.

Completion is secondary

Big number, good.

[spice surge]

Demisemaxxing

[scarlet orbit]

Is it worth it in raid to delay the last dm a bit to get it to align with the second dmg pot?

[balmy condor]

if you don't miss a cast, why not

[rare jackal]

anyone got a simple lingering darkness wa?

[earnest robin]

with the bleed build are we pooling on St without DM?

[fleet pagoda]

yah, as long as DN isn't up and you have your bleeds rolling, chill when under 50%

[earnest robin]

and excess shivs just go into darkest nights?

find it hard to envenom much on ST when pooling

[fleet pagoda]

yeah same. shiv is probably okay to hold out on for DN's, just make sure you have two ready to go for when DM comes back up

[earnest robin]

y ofc

[wary light]

Not sure on gain but I was critting OAB for 13.5mil

Was juicy as hell

[balmy condor]

0.5%ish

[celest crescent]

noo they nerfed pre-pull deathmark

[pastel cradle]

would anyone be able to take a quick look at a log? I tried the bleed build its definitely an improvement but i think i maybe off on timing and probably doing something else

[autumn frost]

i'd be more mad about slice and dice

if it weren't for the fact they gave it on envenom

[lavish wing]

who tf prepulls deathmark 😄

[runic hinge]

need that lingering darkess to start the boss

[digital venture]

SnD is sad tho. I used to try to extend it on trash x)

[balmy condor]

wait that's the tech

you prepull deathmark

it poofs

you get insta lingering

WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN

[lavish wing]

omg u cookin

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

it's just the M+ tech from s2 dragonflight

[lavish wing]

apl change when

[balmy condor]

cause it's the same effect

[lavish wing]

is it in tha latest?

[hidden inlet]

is kingsbane or bleeding build more ST?

[balmy condor]

very similar in the grand scheme but bleed should be slightly better

[stable pasture]

How do you prepull it?

You apply it to pack before boss

Then sprint to boss?

[balmy condor]

do not do that

it's a joke

you'd waste your entire cooldown

[slate crown]

you'd also very likely just die

Which I mean

is a choice

[stable pasture]

Loool

Man can we just get rogue buffs across the board at this point

Ffs

[balmy condor]

also don't think any of the cooldown resetting on pull works in m+

it's just raid encounters

[keen spruce]

Infernal resets

And slappy hands

[lavish wing]

Get warlock summon, hit mob with dm outside if the raid then accept summon

[pliant gazelle]

Do you guys sneak an envenom on Bandit's assistants (after the rupture snipe), if it's about to die and you have darkest night up ?

[lethal lynx]

Does Deathmark count as Marked for Singular Focus?

[indigo sphinx]

No, its referring to deathstalkers mark from the hero talent.

[lethal lynx]

yeah I just wondered

would be nice

[proud pelican]

Coming here from the ol channel to regulate my blood pressure

[old thistle]

no

come back

[proud pelican]

Fk it I’m going back in

[balmy condor]

god speed soldier

[proud pelican]

Whispyr I might need backup

[balmy condor]

you're on your own king

[proud pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/guerra-war-ready-to-fight-gear-up-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-13809686

I died gg go agane tomorrow

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268658127088124103/1363958335417876590/IMG_1080.jpg?ex=6807ecb0&is=68069b30&hm=037cd3c0a126dc714cabd8e57898f04f102ff4b761de49a7fa920920362a39df&

[subtle tundra]

so how mad are the outlaws

[balmy condor]

A mix of insanely mad and completely irrelevant

[subtle tundra]

good

should be more outrages imo

[royal lantern]

what did i miss

[runic hinge]

Pre pull AR and RTB removed

[velvet ridge]

And we can't death mark pre pull either it seems, are we bricked?

[royal lantern]

eh, makes sense i gues

[royal lantern]

wait, they removed my fucking pre pull deathmark for the stealth shadowheart leech?????????

[velvet ridge]

For no reason either, I'm so mad

[vapid sierra]

do we finish at 5=> cp or 5>cp

[balmy condor]

5 inclusive

[vapid sierra]

any rules around it

or just always on 5

is it to prevent energy waste with fok/mutilate

results in more envenoms

[subtle tundra]

kinda...

[balmy condor]

Well darkest night you have to go to max

Otherwise just 5

[red cloak]

is there a pin or command that tells you the way Shiv+AP and deathmark interact with bleeds and snapshotting n stuff? like if you have rupture up already or kingsbane and you shiv and/or deathmark does it matter if you did it before or after?

[balmy condor]

None of it snapshots

There’s only really 2 snapshots and they’re both on crimson tempest and they’re not really something that needs to be worried about

Follow the blood snapshots its effect in regards to sudden demise

And the multi-target bonus on ct is snapshot on cast

Otherwise everything is dynamic

[red cloak]

so if I have rupture active and I press shiv it’ll just amp rupture until shiv runs out

& okay with CT good to know not to refresh if it has the 5 stack effect. I got that WA for it you recommended it’s pretty handy

[balmy condor]

Correct

[balmy condor]

Well not really how that ends up playing out

The only place where that’s applicable is when you have a boss with adds

And you CT, get a multi-target CT

And then need to go refresh your CT in single target

If it’s like refreshing a 5 stack to a 3 stack that’s fine

The only that really hurts is like X stacks to 1 stack

But in the grand scheme of things it’s pretty minor

[static glacier]

is frostshatter spear one of these immunes

that have to be like 1s before it hits

since i remember immuning on hc

[scarlet orbit]

lockenstock finanly down

[soft drift]

what is rupture sniping?

[red cloak]

and for deathmark does it matter if I apply bleeds/kingsbane before or after? I’m assuming it doesn’t

[soft drift]

Is that using Shiv for empowered combo points?

[soft drift]

i know for opener it's DM first

or it's Rupture /garrote -> DM

[royal lantern]

using rupture when a enemy is about to die

for energy

[red cloak]

I thought it was rupturing something that’s about to die for energy

[soft drift]

OOOO

[red cloak]

lmao okay I was right

[soft drift]

that makes sense

that's wild

[red cloak]

okay because I wasn’t sure how the bleed duplication worked, if it duplicated whatever was already there or it duplicates anything you apply regardless of when so long as it’s up

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

duplicates on cast as well as any casts made during it, duplicates disappear when deathmark expires

[red cloak]

okay cool, lot less to think about then

[balmy condor]

assassination is braindead easy unless you decide to overthink the shit out of it

90% of the answers I give in here are some form of "dude you're doing way too much just hit buttons"

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/don't-think-act-omni-man-invincible-just-do-it-less-thinking-more-doing-gif-10137816994983668937

[red cloak]

press bleeds > win kk

[balmy condor]

cooldowns on cooldown, spread bleeds, spam envenom

and you're 95% of the way there

[static glacier]

ur guide says i can immune frostshatter spear mister

is it the 1s at the start of cloak that works

[balmy condor]

I believe so

but I think maybe you can't on mythic

[red cloak]

ah shit I forgot about that, the cloak thing. is it immune for only the first second? I thought it was all 5

[balmy condor]

the first second is a super immunity

[red cloak]

so is it mechanic dependent on pre-cloaking or timing it with the first second

[vital flicker]

I think most rogue players want to find some way to make it so they can say why their class is so difficult

[balmy condor]

ye

[tall atlas]

which embelishments are best for raid/m+ combo

[red cloak]

if they want complicated they can play outlaw or something idk shit is too fast for me to play perfectly

sub isn’t that hard but I also only pvp with it

[real rain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tacit hedge]

Does stat prioity change with bleed build?

[balmy condor]

haste gets a bit better

[tacit hedge]

ohhh okay thanks

[unborn isle]

what rotation i need to do in ST ?

spend points only with envenom?

[tawdry root]

Reading whispyr’s guide or watching a video will get you a clearer explanation than asking here

Short answer envenom is the main spender yes but you need to keep rupture up also

[unborn isle]

❤️

[cosmic remnant]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

biS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-wait-what-gif-9000717621307637538

My whole life was a lie

[rotund oak]

idk why its a surprise

[alpine lion]

Is our single target in mythic+ going to be a little bit behind other classes currently? I'm able to keep up with, and most often stay ahead of the other classes on trash pulls, but I seem to be falling off a lot on boss fights. This is especially true for The Rookery. I'm using your standard Hybrid build for mythic+, and I have very similar item level and stats to the top assassination rogues on raider.io at the moment. Struggling to finish the last 2 13's I need to get 3k. Trying to improve the best I can.

[rotund oak]

you must have read it 100.000 times but i cant stretch even how much i miss IW on bleed

the pump is wild though

[lavish wing]

I wanted to believe...

[rotund oak]

abandon faith fam,be free,,

[balmy condor]

assassination is a poor st spec in keys yes

[balmy condor]

just take it then

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcastic-sarcasm-terminator-thumbs-up-gif-13726704

[rotund oak]

i cant im loyal to the guide

[alpine lion]

How does Sub compare?

[balmy condor]

guide says you can take it if you want

[lavish wing]

Awesome st in keys

[balmy condor]

sub is the highest st spec but the aoe is mid

[lavish wing]

Thats optimistic

I guess uncluding healers its mid 🤣

[alpine lion]

Oh man, the conflict

[sly yoke]

sub has good burst but then your dmg goes down very fast once you run our of cds

[lavish wing]

The real conflict is assa bleed build doing tons in aoe but in st u wanna die of boredom

[rotund oak]

yes ik,its time to sim and test IW

my ponytails is rdy

[scenic kraken]

So would sub be better for raid?

[balmy condor]

no

[inland escarp]

IW doesn’t feel as huge in this dungeon pool, and I’m probably insane, but dropping sbs doesn’t feel that horrid once you get used to it

[rotund oak]

just play what u perform better

[rotund oak]

i think after IW the biggest qol in the spec is sbs and IC

[lavish wing]

And dont prepull death mark after 11.1.5

[rotund oak]

like if i keep ditching qol might as well go sub

[scenic kraken]

What’s the best way to improve parse wise in raid?is it just improving the rotation I do or are there like videos to hidden tech? Lol

[balmy condor]

play correctly, kill faster, pad harder

[rotund oak]

ill see what the numbers say and test couple of days,onyl way to know for myself

[lavish wing]

Makes us stronger

[inland escarp]

Yea I mean I’m probably just insane tbh

[rotund oak]

no u are not,i just dont trust anyone

not even my mom

lul

[scenic kraken]

Oh also do I need to cancel the aura from seaforium pacemaker to use priory until I get HoC? I feel like every time I send my signet it’s crit 😭 but at base I have more mastery

[lavish wing]

Learn rotation and learn fights, lorrgs is good for that ti get the idea when its alright to use cds, wasting a cd due to mechanics can srsly fck up ur parse

[balmy condor]

cancelaura an entire fucking trinket

cause you maybe get a bad stat sometimes

fucking insane work

[rotund oak]

wild cookin'

[balmy condor]

it's been barely an hour and its already fulfilling itself

[scenic kraken]

😂 look I’m just tryin to be a good sneaky boi I’m still learning

[balmy condor]

god bless

[lyric vale]

Damn i might use that on my pally cancel aura thingy😭😂😂😂

[scenic kraken]

Ngl I literally read this and felt better when I read it 😂

[lavish wing]

Cancelsub

🤣

[rotund oak]

cancel outlaw

[lyric vale]

We need a text channel for internal conflicts

[lavish wing]

% or raw number?

[digital pebble]

Guys, do you use fok in ST fights when ctw buff procs?

[inland escarp]

Blizz apparently just canceled their ass prepull

[lavish wing]

Only during lingering afaik

[scenic kraken]

Raw number. My mastery is higher than the crit but when the trinket procs it’s not anymore. Maybe I should invest further in mastery? I’m deathstalker so I read that crit isn’t as crucial for that hero spec?

[balmy condor]

you should sim yourself

and if it wants more mastery then you get more mastery

[lyric vale]

++

[scenic kraken]

Yea I should def sim.

[drifting cloud]

shouldnt be that hard to fix it

[lavish wing]

Also flask of chaos can be nasty, reduces mastery sometimes and gives crit

[digital pebble]

Ive been wondering if it worth using after DN buff

[lavish wing]

After last buffs its loss not to mutilate/ambush in general

[balmy condor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[balmy condor]

or like

[rotund oak]

they need to be more brave in the cancel section.Pirate needs a full body rework,head to toes type of thang

[balmy condor]

opening guide

to guide you

would be cool

[lavish wing]

Guides/vids r too long, we beed TikTok version

[digital pebble]

Thank you, been having some thoughts about using it in raids ST rotation

[balmy condor]

yeh true reading a guide would have so much extra info that I'm not currently interested about but will ping whispyr with in a week from now, I don't need all that I just want it piecemealed one by one like an IV drip

[rotund oak]

Irrelevant question but have u ever thought of dye-ing the beard?

[balmy condor]

yeah typically wouldn't

[balmy condor]

for all of 2 seconds yes

and then after those 2 seconds I had the braincells smash together

[lavish wing]

Aaand? 🤣

Oh

[balmy condor]

fuck no lmao

[rotund oak]

cmon man,i thought it would be nice

[balmy condor]

helllllllllll no

HELLLLLLLLLL no

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

that shit is fugly

[near valley]

do it and make a man bun

reach peak male performance

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-julian-jenna-marbles-gif-7555437

[balmy condor]

I already can't beat the discord mod allegations and you fucking idiots want me to roll into my stream like a garden gnome

you stupid wanks

[inland escarp]

Sub goal to dye the beard @balmy condor ?

[near valley]

it's all good till you start calling us "kittens"

[inland escarp]

^^

[static glacier]

ur litterally a discord mod

they aren't allegations

own it

[near valley]

the first step to fixing a problem is acknowledging it

[inland escarp]

we are all whysp's kittens

[balmy condor]

rolling up to a video lookin like the lucky charms guy

HIYA

ME TALENTS ARE MAGICALLY DELICIOUS

[near valley]

new content idea just dropped

[inland escarp]

SMASHES THE SUB BUTTON

[near valley]

if rogue gets a 11.2 change you should do this

[inland escarp]

thats a wild if

[onyx coyote]

Just do it entirelly serious like nothing is different

[near valley]

that's a 15% chance if

[inland escarp]

optimistic

[near valley]

all it takes is Whispyr drinking a bit and there is like a 70% chance he'll do it

[prime hull]

Do you guys think its easier to pug m+ title as assa or as devastation evoker?

[scarlet sequoia]

yes

[rotund oak]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/only-a-sith-deals-in-absolutes-obi-wan-kenobi-obi-wan-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-26164762

[waxen oyster]

The amount of stupidity to pug title

+the free time of someone unemployed

[rotund oak]

pugging title is rly not pugging in the end

the pool of the players u que with is like the same ppl

in the high end

[lavish wing]

What title would that be

[worthy rose]

What’s the pugging title?

Is it just the tempered title but you pug it

[balmy condor]

yeah

so it's the delusional tempered title

[waxen oyster]

People have an aversion to talking to other humans

it seems

yet have infinite time to play

[rotund oak]

ild rather play some other game rather than pug the title

ild say its funnier to pug gladiator than m+

[prime hull]

I mean thats cool I just don't enjoy many other games much.

Need something to do so m+ is what it is.

[real rain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

Tbh

Pugging M+ title is still more enjoyable than RBGs

[runic hinge]

Bgb actually was pretty fun imo

[humble verge]

yeah but, aint it easier to get glad tho..?

[runic hinge]

I got 2300 on spriest and 2k on rogue

[humble verge]

or maybe im wrong

[slim copper]

not too shabby the other two dps were 668 and 669. I'm 666. This was on a 12 Floodgate

and i got the pacemaker

[gloomy heart]

ret pallies

[static glacier]

the re

the ret is allowed to win

losing to bm is shameful

ct on dying packs more man

[slim copper]

i died thrice on big pulls

[static glacier]

demise max it

f

that'll do it

[feral drift]

in need of help on my rogue my dps is not where it should be with a 665 ilvl

[gloomy heart]

pallies will always ruin our fun on low keys

[gloomy heart]

drink a monster and do big dam

[feral drift]

i drink my mean beans daily

[gloomy heart]

Show me a details of a key

[spice spire]

Energy drink right?

[gloomy heart]

Yeah

Goated drink

[spice spire]

Ok ok just checking

[feral drift]

Ðóç Area 52 if you like to look me up not sure why my numbers are low

[gilded oasis]

no, im the monster

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m not drinking you

[gilded oasis]

stay bad bozo

[spice spire]

Oh ok

[scenic kraken]

does !rik work for anyone?

or only mods

[coral ibex]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[scenic kraken]

chad

thanks

[royal lantern]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[wary light]

Anyone have any idea why my deathstalkers mark isn't showing up as purple on Whispyr's plater?

[gilded oasis]

Richard Reverb

[deep latch]

[hidden inlet]

Is there a m+ build that does more st than tanks? Or muts are like that this patch

I'm trying to run some higher m+ with my mut friends but their st is like non existent

[gilded oasis]

it do be that way sometimes

[balmy condor]

it's white

[hidden inlet]

We were running a rookery but the final boss literally took forever

[royal lantern]

thats assa in m+

you wont do bigtime boss dmg regardless what you pick

[gilded oasis]

if it was literally forever you'd still be there

[royal lantern]

its 1:07 AM dad, go to bed

[gilded oasis]

you wut??? its 4:07 p m

[coral arrow]

Guys I'm doing one-armed bandit progress and I was comparing logs and Idk why I got in 4:29 lenght fight 56 mutilates and others like +150 casts, but we got same mutilate dmg, how is that possible?

[balmy condor]

are you counting the off hits and vv hits or simething

[coral arrow]

I just noticed I wasn't using rupture or garrot on melee Reel Assistant, does it matter for the mutilate count?

[tall atlas]

this Sudden Demise seems really low

10 Floodgate btw

[balmy condor]

I mean kinda but itll be a couple, not 4x lmao

[coral arrow]

hmmm, idk then, this is my log

and that is the log I'm comparing to

[balmy condor]

open the mutilate dropdown

[coral arrow]

this?

[balmy condor]

ye so 70 vs 76

[coral arrow]

what does it mean? I just started playing assa few days ago for that boss and next one, am I doing something wrong?

[viscid spear]

Extended maintenance after I filled out my Vault with a Heroic clear and eight 10s just to get a socket.

[balmy condor]

no, it's just vicious venoms counts as mutilate hits so logs are being silly

[coral arrow]

oh okay, I guess I have just to improve the ruptures and garrot to melee adds I think, should I just rupture/garrot and keep focusing boss? or swap to adds too?

[balmy condor]

you can snipe the adds with rupture for energy

not really a big deal

[coral arrow]

hm okay, I just have to improve the caustic spatted dmg, and I guess that's all on the dynamite adds

[feral drift]

i want better dps lol

[red cloak]

out here getting declined from 5s and 6s

[worthy rose]

Don’t we all

If in doubt blame ur gear

[feral drift]

@worthy rose lol

[worthy rose]

Re you not running caustic spatter

Tbh 1.5mil dps single target is pretty much what you’d want

[normal mist]

but the fight isnt ST anyway xD

[worthy rose]

Yolo I’ve not done Gally on heroic or mythic so I wouldn’t know

Only normal

[normal mist]

I did it on HC after 2 pulls

ended up with 2.2(?) iirc

but i was undergeared

[worthy rose]

I’m the type of heathen to just use whatever build into whatever boss or mythic

I been using zeross’s recommended build for 12’s and 13’s and everything in between

Which apparently isn’t meant for 12’s and 13’s

[normal mist]

Guides are usually better for that

since they provide you with the recommended builds

and in this raid we run caustic for like every boss but 1

[glass fulcrum]

@balmy condor have u simmed the runes for helm i assume is secondary stats one but checking?

[worthy rose]

Yeah caustic spatter is just too good not to have

Ideally everyone would have a custom talent page for every different mythic dungeon

And every raid boss

[tall atlas]

any potential reasons why the SuddenDemise dam is so low

[normal mist]

How was the other rogue ones

[tall atlas]

he was hybrid

this is me

[normal mist]

Bleeds probably fell off on the execute phase

[tall atlas]

hm not really i was making sure they were as much as i could tbh