assassination

[unreal geode]

i'm gonna try using sin i've never really touched it, only played outlaw and sub 😦 do you guys have tips for the surviving the outdoors?

[balmy condor]

Good one

[ebon olive]

Is there any cool Weakaura that darkens my screen or something when i get DN 😄

[balmy condor]

“Guys please pop the mines my hero talent is self-nerfing, please guys the bombs” - the 1 person on earth playing fatebound on mug’zee

[desert crest]

Wait what

what is the interaction?

[hollow walrus]

What is DN??

[ebon olive]

Darkest Night

[golden loom]

fatebound if more than 1 target is around = bad!

[hollow walrus]

Oh

[balmy condor]

Interaction is fatebound makes itself worse if you have >1 target

[subtle tundra]

yeah fatebound is so strong in aoe that it has to do less

[golden loom]

@desert crest

[desert crest]

Ohh yeah was just looking at the talent calc

That is so weird design

or just kinda sad really

negative funnel

[worldly bridge]

lol i didnt know about this

thought it was just like "if u hit 1 guy go fatebound"

[viscid spear]

Every fight is single-target if you try hard enough

[ebon olive]

For what Weapon enchant do i go if i Raid and Dungeon ? One Raidant Power and one authority :D?

[unreal geode]

if i garrote an enemy and indiscriminate carnage puts garrote on someone else, does it have a chance to put crippling poison on the other person too

or do poisons only work on auto attacks

[kindred timber]

@balmy condor yo whisper could you create some plater script when adds come below 35% hp(execution) their plater color change for comfort using shiv?

[dapper halo]

priory 10, what am i doing wrong and how to INSTANTLY fix it

[dim kelp]

In a key your caustic spatter should be way higher if not top damage

[ancient pendant]

in bleed build

[jade hemlock]

I just did a priory 10 as bleed build too , i dont htink your breakdown is much different from mine https://gyazo.com/1327ee173ac8fb3955d2932bb7e02003

https://gyazo.com/58d0b387d9b2c4815589080239b8d496

[ancient pendant]

spatter deals 0 dmg

until 14+keys

when mobs can live longer than 30 seconds

[dim kelp]

Yeah fair

[subtle tundra]

how is 7 and 9% 0 dmg

erm

[jade hemlock]

I just switched from hybrid as everything just died too fast, not sure if im using my shiv right though as i pretty much get all bleeds up then hit a shiv but am i meant to double

[dapper halo]

as a 667 i think im supposed to do alot more damage

[jade hemlock]

im 660 at the moment

[dapper halo]

clearly im playing bad then

[subtle tundra]

youre probably not dotting enough

ruptures garrotes

[jade hemlock]

i run double vanish and kind of redo my opener as more gets pulled in to spread

[indigo sphinx]

The DPS number depends on a load of different things, but theres not a lot to take from damage breakdown tbh other than rupture should for sure be higher so you are almost certainly dropping rupture

[jade hemlock]

rups and garrotes, again not sure if that is optimal but it solves stealth issues and lets me maximise indiscriminate carnage

[dapper halo]

then theres the tanks that dong giveafuck about restealthing

[indigo sphinx]

Restealth is way less of a big deal than you think it is tbh

[subtle tundra]

you doing 3mil overall in a priory isnt from tank chaining

[jade hemlock]

Yep! Hence my love of vanish charges, i dont have a static so i pug at the moment, its a life saver

[indigo sphinx]

Just slam natty ruptures and you're chilling

[desert crest]

It has become more imporant now that bleed is strng

[indigo sphinx]

It has nothing to do with why number low though 😄

[desert crest]

No ofc not

[dapper halo]

i so wish rouge had as easy aoe derptardins have

[normal mist]

[subtle tundra]

its not that hard, especially as bleed

you just... bleed

[dapper halo]

they dont need to care about pandemic timers

[desert crest]

I am shit at sims but would bet that a 1.5 min 10 target sim with zero vanish charges and no stealth is depressingly low dmg

[subtle tundra]

not even minamxing caustic is that important

[dapper halo]

i do max 10 keys tho, so, mobs dont live that long

[subtle tundra]

yes exactly

you dont have time to do caustic so like

you do the opener

[desert crest]

That will only make restealth stronger tho

[subtle tundra]

which is just bleeding

[desert crest]

We have sudden for overkill

[jade hemlock]

You should defo have time to caustic even on a 10 on your prio target, unless you are running with gods in those 10s who just easy pump 4m+ overall

[golden loom]

tbh even with bleed, caustic cranks in +10 priory (this is 2 weeks ago so might not be the case with current gear)

[desert crest]

It 12 sec of garrote and rupture spam and getting caustic up and then u spam envenom

then number go big

[jade hemlock]

how are you using shiv?

back to back or one and hold

[desert crest]

Use it after u have a good amount of dots going

and if pack is not dead after those 8 sec use again

We have execute dot dmg so it is worth it to use even if some of the pack dies during the 2nd one

[dapper halo]

does shiv make numbers go biggers even after you have all the ruptures rolling

or do i need to first have shiv up and then make them bleed

[desert crest]

https://tenor.com/view/yuge-huge-donald-trump-gif-5521636960626661361

No shiv after

But if packs die super fast u can do some homecooking

[dapper halo]

ok first bleedydeath and then shivtime

[desert crest]

yub

[dapper halo]

ive been wasting shivs like certain orangeleader changes opinions

[waxen oyster]

ngl i feel like people in the vault key range

this season are much worse

than last already

[desert crest]

Well that is kinda a given when over half the player base is above vault key range

[waxen oyster]

S1 there werent this many bots

a month in

[golden loom]

I mean u can just completely hard carry +10s tho

could have 4 bots and still time

[waxen oyster]

yeah its just interesting how people get to over 665

[desert crest]

1 dps 1 tank 1 heal is timable in +10 (probably hard coping here)

[waxen oyster]

and still have 0 clue how to play

[copper depot]

hey , do you guys have rota for bleed build ?

[normal mist]

wowhead

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[dawn warren]

Hullo, am new to sin after coming back to rogue this tier (last played BFA as outlaw), I've been hitting the raid training dummy and the spec feels kinda clunky? I assume I am doing something inherently wrong but I am following the wowhead opener and rotation. Also saw that S2 we can dry shiv? Is that a genuine optimisation I can do or is that just in the realm of too picky for a learner?

[normal mist]

you can just ignore it (the dry shiv) if you dont feel like it

also what does feel "clunky"?

[storm forum]

We are resource starved by design if that's what you mean

[normal mist]

running out of energy?

[dawn warren]

Ah yes just feels energy starved verse Sub which I also dabbled in on the dummy

I know we pool going into KB windows

[normal mist]

Its normal

[dawn warren]

But overall just feels like I am waiting a lifetime aha

[normal mist]

also normal with VV builds

[viscid spear]

Just make with the stabbing

[dawn warren]

I will stab harder

[normal mist]

Soon you'll come to terms with how slow the spec can be and appreciate those dead times to make coffee, check your youtubelist mid fight, watch netflix, etc

It's all about comfort here

[gilded oasis]

blizzard likes to starve us, put us on a diet

[normal mist]

Aint working with me

[gilded oasis]

fk

[lean plover]

Vicious vemoms makes the spec quite more starved, u can always sim it versus imp gar+MA, it sims higher for some people on st

[muted nebula]

Guys anyone has bleed build “import code” to check if mine is on the correct path

[normal mist]

its in the pins iirc

[gilded oasis]

its also on wowhead

[dawn warren]

Perfect, I've also been simming myself and I guess theres a crit/mastery cap where haste becomes better? I have both the crit mastery rings (heavy crit and the heavy mastery) and it sims worse then the haste vers ring

[normal mist]

Seems to be just in wowhead now

[normal mist]

theres no caps

[muted nebula]

Can u tell mw the name cuz I searched couldn’t find something under Bleed build

[blissful pumice]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#bleed

[dawn warren]

Interesting, any insight into why haste might be simming higher just for my own knowledge?

[normal mist]

Assa likes all stats

[dawn warren]

Interesting stuff

[normal mist]

if you have too much haste, it will probably tell you to get any of the other 3

[lean plover]

Assa loves all stats

Just sim

[gilded oasis]

i dont love vers

[dawn warren]

Ah yeah its got me higher haste then crit right now so I was pretty concerned

[lean plover]

Dont stat weight tho

just use top gear

[dawn warren]

Nah stat weights are a lie, top gear only

[normal mist]

Man of knowledge

[analog field]

I cast it on the first tantrum but nothing happens, while on the second one he stops, is there something i am missing ?

[spice spire]

Call me vers

[normal mist]

wait

i got one for you

[gilded oasis]

but ily

[normal mist]

i dont

[muted nebula]

Thanks

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gilded oasis]

are you sure you aren't prejacking it on accident?

[spice spire]

Fruity

[gilded oasis]

just call me a strawberry

[spice spire]

Okay strawberry

[gilded oasis]

thanks pear

[analog field]

yeah probably doing something wrong

probably i am doing it on the casting part, but i have to do it on the channel

[warm vortex]

God pugs are really pugging today

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-lover-puppy-dog-eyes-gif-23349661

[warm vortex]

Just like wow pugs

can't breath properly

are a mistake

An insult to nature

stupid

Kk you get the poitn

[gilded oasis]

[storm forum]

no idea, I've always waited for the first damage tick and it works

i cant believe Vendeten hates dogs

[shy heron]

Me this morning for real

[waxen oyster]

streamers are a mistake

Idk how anyone watches wow streams, its a terrible game to spectate

[wicked valve]

!trinkets

RIP - everyone make fun of me

[strange tundra]

What aboit belf racial?

[storm forum]

no idea filthy horde scum

[strange tundra]

racist

[runic hinge]

Real

[royal lantern]

you are stinky

[runic hinge]

That’s a dispel you need a soothe

[strange tundra]

rip

[bronze pike]

pugs and frankly any flat face dog

that gets a surgery to remove the extra flesh lump in their throat and in their noses

it makes me a mix of happy and sad

[strange tundra]

Idk why they breed those dogs anymore

They cant breathe

[bronze pike]

happy cause they can breath and its SUCH a difference

you can see it in pre and post surgery

[runic hinge]

How much is the surgery

[bronze pike]

and they become extremely active dogs after it

but its sad

[strange tundra]

Yeah but most people don't even do it

[bronze pike]

cause they need to have a surgery to have that QOL to begin with

[bronze pike]

3-5k

granted that much vs more vet bills down the line

your probably paying the same amount at the end of the day

[jolly heath]

just wondering our wound poison would reduce healing from the yesman in Cinder?

[scarlet orbit]

As far as i know it works but the adds heal 100% of their live so to make a difference the adds would need to be cleaved down nearly to dead all together so its not a worth thing

[golden loom]

Even if it reduced it by 99% we wouldnt play wound poison

[jolly heath]

why not? we just swap it to yesman

[scarlet orbit]

It doesnt work like that so its a nothing question really you can do alot less dmg while having a not working poisen on or just play it normaly.
The only thing still working i know to speed them up is mindcontroll from a priest or to do some weird snapping

[storm forum]

it should reduce it, war mortal strike reduces it

but like, it's a 100% heal, and everyone should just be ST/Funneling

at best one of them heals to 95% instead of 100%

[spice spire]

Zeross tried it and it didn’t

[topaz hare]

when u guys doing mythic+ sims u doing patchwerk or dungeon slice?

[spice spire]

Dungeon slice

[topaz hare]

thank you

[runic hinge]

you're welcome

[dusk fox]

dumb question but should i be shivving before or after CT ?

[humble verge]

after

[potent moon]

Anyone else experiencing ability lag at gallywix

[keen spruce]

[fresh kelp]

Hows the bleed build compared to hybrid for M+?

[lethal lynx]

I feel like the better the other dps in my group do

the worse I do

[meager latch]

what is better the super charge bleed M+ build better to play or is the double vanish build? i thought the super charge build would be better but it seems worse. Also there is a high chance i am playing it wrong.

[tawdry root]

I’d say run double vanish with pugs because you don’t know how the pulls will be and having the extra vanish helps tremendously

[signal crane]

Everyone seems to be hyping the “new” bleed build up but I’m still convinced hybrid personally based on my own research

[drifting cloud]

happy for you

[royal lantern]

what research

[royal lantern]

sper charge is kinda troll tbh

like, you lose multiple aoe talents for.....idk, 1% more st? you wont suddenly do giga boss dmg lol

[signal crane]

M+ Damage logs from the last few days since its been hyped up

[normal mist]

It's fun, it's easy, we get rid of KB

3 W right there

[waxen oyster]

almost like whispyr said both are fine

[royal lantern]

what m+ dmg logs

who tf logs m+ runs

[normal mist]

Mplussers

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-there's-nothing-we-can-do-napoleon-pyritesian-gif-17490332095914688011

[subtle tundra]

mlosers

[runic hinge]

I just gained io and this is how you treat me?

[royal lantern]

they are

[subtle tundra]

i dont give a crap!

[royal lantern]

buut its ridicolous how many people show up and randomly say

"uhm actually X is better cus i say so"

[subtle tundra]

i dont play m+ -> make fun of mplassers

[royal lantern]

and no conext given

or make up weird stuff

like the ussual "hybrid is more boss dmg, so its better in high keys!" when its the opposite

[subtle tundra]

your ass is cute

play whatever the fuck you guys want

[runic hinge]

hybrid with super charger is more boss dps for only 10% of your aoe damage!!!!!!! ONLY 10%!!!!!!

[subtle tundra]

if you wanna copy strimmer, go copy streamer

[runic hinge]

What if i wanna copy you

[waxen oyster]

ngl wow players are dumb

you give them options

[subtle tundra]

go copy me

[waxen oyster]

they start thinking of random feelycraft

[subtle tundra]

i logged green this week

what you gonna copy

[runic hinge]

i can log green this week np

that's right in my comfort zone

[royal lantern]

your food

[meager latch]

okay thank you! ill stick with the double vanish then!

[prisma shadow]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[viscid spear]

[shy axle]

anyone else having dc problems when entering the bees on the bee boss in brewery?

[half roost]

!sim

[viscid spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9pzwvj2ErxiXAMzk5MqTFG

Is it really telling me to craft two daggers?

[coral ibex]

no, droptimizer gets confused by embellishments

[spice spire]

No it doesn’t check for single embellishments bigger gain is through dagger + banding

[iron vapor]

I've never understood the boss damage Vs aoe argument. To kill 100% of the trash and the bosses is X amount of HP - if you're doing more DPS across all of it then you're clearing it faster.

[viscid spear]

So what am I supposed to see in here?

[spice spire]

Nothing better to top gear your embellishments

[viscid spear]

So I shouldn't craft anything?

[spice spire]

? You can add items in top gear

[viscid spear]

So add those good embelishments into a Top Gear sim so it chooses one?

[muted nebula]

guys for bleed build - should i also use the macro !tea since there is no kingsbane ?

[iron vapor]

Yeah, mastery is mastery

Use it during death mark

[spice spire]

Yes

Because top gear recognizes embellishments sbg. The limits

[iron vapor]

And to execute packs with sudden demise if a tea charge is available

[viscid spear]

But the Alchemy trinket and healing neck shouldn't even be considered, right?

[spice spire]

Correct

[muted nebula]

only ? in normal packs i should use normal shiv right ?

[iron vapor]

I use shiv basically on cooldown, but I make sure I have 2 charges for death mark

[west smelt]

Fellas is ML a sub key or was my tank just kinda trolling me? There was a bunch of pulls where I just couldn't get stealth between packs especially at the end with the mines

[muted nebula]

u usually use deathmark on normal packs or or only with bosses ?

[muted nebula]

yea i always tell them

dont connect pulls

otherwise i will not damage

😄

[iron vapor]

Send deathmark on cooldown too, unless I know there's a boss coming up in less than 2 mins

[small garnet]

is it normal im like perma out of energy

[muted nebula]

thats what pain i am living

[gusty mirage]

In aoe? no, in ST yes

[iron vapor]

In single target, yes

[small garnet]

single target yea

[iron vapor]

In aoe, you're doing it wrong

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's just the design of the spec

[small garnet]

im trynna gear my rogue rn

[gusty mirage]

you file your taxes in between cooldowns

[west smelt]

Surely even then you send DM unless you know it's not getting fully value

[small garnet]

and in lfr im basically perma suitting in no energy

[warm vortex]

rat gang continues

[iron vapor]

Eh, depends, if I'm gonna get it 30 seconds into the next boss I'll send it into trash, if it comes up on the trash pack immediately before a boss I'll hold it

[warm vortex]

Semi pug and had shit dps and like

5 deaths on candlre king

but still did it

[iron vapor]

That's pretty much how it goes, you get a mutilate every couple of seconds

[iron vapor]

Hunter content. 0/10. No rogue.

[warm vortex]

What do you mean?

I'm a rogue

I'm just so good at disguises

The game thinks im a hunter

[viscid spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oLRgotxrW5AmTKotkr1cQQ

[spice spire]

Where’s the writhing band sim with it all

[viscid spear]

[tough verge]

bleed build single target tips? I'm trying to keep my energy above 150 but I feel like my dps is low.

[viscid spear]

Should I not sim Adrenal Surge Clasp then?

[spice spire]

Nah you’d generally start with the writhing band + ascendancy + dawnthread bit

[royal lantern]

you play assa

your boss dmg in m+ is not great

[small garnet]

does this somewaht look right?

[viscid spear]

Ascendancy?

[analog field]

you didnt take me , instead you found a DK what a sad event 😦

[viscid spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h517Au5wWJ1yseR9DnaYVk

[iron vapor]

Keep your dots on, send everything on cooldown and hope.

Make up for the mediocre single target with decent aoe

[warm vortex]

Yo would have been 1 mil times better than the DK

Explain to me in what reality does a BM top dps in a group with a ret and an unholy

[analog field]

the shaman told me grip will be more useful

i respected his wish xd

[green vector]

When running the bleed build do you want to drop below 150 energy in order to get Mark back on your target using darkest night?

[warm vortex]

Wait were you the other ret

Or were you the rogue

[analog field]

rogue

[warm vortex]

Ah Yeye soz

I wasn’t the leader of the group sadly

Tbh I was like quaking in my boots the entire night and have had a long day aha

[analog field]

yeah it's ok obviously i saw your name and i was like i have seen this somewhere

[warm vortex]

Yeye

[thorn thorn]

You have betrayed the rogue clan

[tawny coyote]

Had a sim tell me that Cyrce's is not best from two hero track rings with crit/mast, does this sound accurate?

[analog field]

almost surely no

[analog field]

someone more expert than me should take a look, but highly unlikely cyrce's loses from a hero rin

[scarlet orbit]

could you link the sim itself? would make it easier to look at it

[tawny coyote]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mzAXhG64hocabACcFAfWQx

[scarlet sequoia]

youve got the wrong gem in ur ring buddy

[tawny coyote]

ah skipper

[analog field]

it's always the gems

[scenic kelp]

is this right or do i something wrong? 😄

[iron vapor]

Nah that looks about right, solid DPS too

[scenic kelp]

is not caustic splatter second in dmg this season?

[main bison]

i think he's playing bleed build there

[scenic kelp]

y the "new" one is the dmg right in this positions?

[zenith smelt]

What poisons do you need for mytic+ and Raid?

[coral ibex]

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[zenith smelt]

tnx

[west crown]

not knowing the key level or what key it is, spatter looks low

I'm well aware, spatter should be higher

[scarlet sequoia]

not rly

it was motherlode

looks about right

spatter isnt that high with bleed build

[hollow stream]

A llil new to playing Sin rogue and not 100% familiar. Reading the pins...."rupture sniping" is useful now. Trying out Bleed and Hybrid builds.....is there any criteria for tryign to snipe ? Or just any target with any amount of combo points that will die before rupture expires ??

[scarlet sequoia]

dno how relevant rupture sniping is in m+

think its more a raid thing

[hollow stream]

Noted

So like....bosses with cleave adds kinda thing, snipe the adds beffore they die for enery boost king thing

[scarlet sequoia]

ye

[west crown]

low target, IC up

or bosses that have an add to snipe

4.5 overall, your spatter is low

it should be closer to 10%

yup

[scarlet sequoia]

must be different dungeons or something cus ur damage done is lower than his

if u add shit together

[west crown]

Its only a 10, but it should still be higher

[scarlet sequoia]

i mean u cant just straight compare with m+

pulls are different if u have a noob grp

a lot of shit to take into account

his breakdown looks fine imo

both of those are kinda aoe heavy

dont think spatter will be as high as ryz wants it to be in those 2 dungeons

[west crown]

Ive got a shit damage 12 priory where im still doing 635 mil with spatter

530 is just low

[scarlet sequoia]

this is my dmg from a 10 cinderbrew

i guess my spatter is too low as well

it always depends on ur comp and pulls

[west crown]

could be group comp killing smallies to fast

[scarlet sequoia]

ye had arcane mage ww monk

so i was just aoeing

and his bleed dmg is low

it just depends what u want to play for

[runic hinge]

11 ML kinda scuffed run but was timed

[scarlet sequoia]

pretty sure youre overthinking this

a lot

it only does poison dmg

not bleeds

unless im cooked as fk

thats what the ability says

[iron vapor]

Look at the overall number, is the overall DPS good? If so, it's fine

The breakdown of 'my caustic is 2% lower than his caustic" is the difference of a few crit/non crit envenoms on big packs

Yeah, it's a rounding error

[humble verge]

me when i decide to do a 14 and we actually time it

[warm vortex]

Guys
Friend was looking to improve his demo so he checked a log

And smth slightly amusing happened

[warm vortex]

This was me w the DFC 15 earlier

Was so happy

[humble verge]

i AM chiikawa, u are NOT

😠

[warm vortex]

No you are uberscot
Philosopher of dimwit information

[red cloak]

question, what happens if you cloak chaotic corruption on the 2nd boss? i thought i got rid of it but it looked like it jumped off me as soon as i cloaked instead of deleting it

[humble verge]

is this rookery 2nd boss youre on about

[red cloak]

yes sorry i thought i typed that

[humble verge]

you can precloak it, hoping you get it

but you have to time it

since the "invincible" timer is the first second

but if you have a dk in the group he can usually AMS it every other dot

[red cloak]

pre ams also? or just take it and then ams

[warm vortex]

Amazing video mate cheers

[humble verge]

unsure if you can pre ams

have not tried

[humble verge]

nah, this is an amazing video https://youtu.be/iGuGvTOR74I?si=9qpHSe2WPdnBjW10

[red cloak]

i feel like my damage is really low too. im pressing and maintaining CT, spreading ruptures, vanishing when i need to for IC and deathstalker mark reset, and maintaining caustic spatter as best i can. i know i need to get used to pressing shiv more with arterial precision

[warm vortex]

I got one better

Lemmie find it rq

Enjoy
Being out some popcorn

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[warm vortex]

Just zoom in

How else am I supposed to send a nearly 18 min video without nitro

[humble verge]

i could send a 1,5h movie with better quality if it wasnt for discord ToS

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[humble verge]

yeah you are

but

if you read my sentence

there is an INVINCIBLE TIMER

the first second

which can basically negate all and anything, you can jump off your mount from skyblock limit

use cloak as you land and survive

i dont think its been that well known

until lately

oh no it doesnt even say that in the tooltip tho

[fleet pagoda]

Blightbone put in work last season spreading the good word of Cloak's nuances

[humble verge]

yeah

but magic immunity is just coasting on the rest of the tooltip

[keen spruce]

That’s why u had to cloak the last second of th breath from NW first boss

[humble verge]

^

but this was introduced this expac afaik

ive never known about it from before

[keen spruce]

But that ability was also goofy

[humble verge]

yeah

[buoyant herald]

wasn't that the one evasion worked on instead

[humble verge]

it works with evasion yes

[keen spruce]

Pure magic dmg auto attack

But frontal

[buoyant herald]

was an attack despite looking like a spell

[keen spruce]

Yeah coded as an auto

So dodgeable

[humble verge]

hmmm

[coral ibex]

i'd rather have another class's defensives so i dont think so

[fresh kelp]

Depends on damage profile of the season. If it leans heavily into aoe oneshots rogue is prob the tankiest in the game, the heavier it goes into st dots style damage the weaker it is

DF s3 rogue was immortal

[fleet pagoda]

i'd be willing to trade most of my defensive buttons for Veteran of the Third War talent

[fresh kelp]

well people weren’t really playing specs that weren’t outlaw iirc

[humble verge]

man wtf

ive realized

i dont have lingering in my WA

: D

[fleet pagoda]

oh yeah. i've felt it's happened a lot less to me this season than last season so far. maybe it's just selective memory though

[waxen oyster]

no dps is as tanky as dk

[humble verge]

jesus

ive not had lingering darkness in my WA for so long

actually had to learn myself how to add and edit WAs

and jesus, found the quickest video : D

[fleet pagoda]

the pre-made WA function is great for stuff like that

ez pz for smooth brain fellers like myself

[humble verge]

yea

thats what i did

added it like in the middle there

tho it seems to be clipping so might need to fix that shit up

this works i guess

[fleet pagoda]

another one for the collection too

you track some things like your flask stat and pacemaker, do you do anything with those or are they just there to itch the brain?

[humble verge]

idk

i like the flask for reasons

but i dont really track it anymore

its just so that i know i have a flask

the trinket there is to actually track

[waxen oyster]

tracking bonespike

kinda useless

[humble verge]

youre useless

always the blues coming in here giving "advice"

smh

[red cloak]

do you guys know a weakaura that shows the number of targets affected by rupture/CT? i dont think the one i use is accurate

[waxen oyster]

blue is a better color

[scenic mulch]

anyone know if sudden demise calculates remaining bleed including if those bleeds were to crit or not?

[haughty flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0

[haughty flicker]

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

Everything except crit

[humble verge]

me n my squad ready to hit tilted

and then pug for a tank in m+

[opaque hawk]

I'm a sub main whose tired of playing sub in raid. How difficult is assassination to learn?

[humble verge]

after losing straight away at tilted

much easier than sub

[static glacier]

Idk about much

Sub ain’t hard

[humble verge]

kek

old sub was as easy as assa

idk about now

[static glacier]

Like we just stare at dance and sod

Press them when they run out

:/

[nova kelp]

Sin is definitely easier than sub from a baseline starting point

[static glacier]

Yeah

If sub is 5/10 sin is like 1-2/10

[opaque hawk]

The wowhead article made it look that way but I wanted to check

[nova kelp]

You also don't need to hard core main sin to keep up to scratch on it. Which is handy

Lots of overlap in gear. So easy to switch back and forth when you need to

[opaque hawk]

Tbh just tired of being last in raid parses in good groups

Sin seems to do well so

I have spare gear too like priory signet

[waxen oyster]

sin uses hoc

just as well

[quartz relic]

Hey guys, a question. In a physical group for Assa, would it be better to bring a shaman or a hunter? The monk and the warrior are already there.

[balmy condor]

tf is a physical group

[unborn wharf]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[thin tinsel]

a bunch of really buff dudes

[balmy condor]

checks out

an assassination rogue, monk, and warrior walk into a bar

the bartender asks if it's better to bring a shaman or a hunter

no one knows what the hell is going on

[thin tinsel]

then leaves bar with unholy dk and fire mage ?

[west smelt]

And a vdh*

[balmy condor]

I'm not in the bar but I feel drunk

[timber meadow]

hunter and swap to outlaw

have the warrior be dps and bring a guardian druid for motw

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-eyes-side-eye-kim-hyeyoon-kimhyeyoon-lol-gif-12843868208638520399

[timber meadow]

the fact that you actually have no idea what a phys comp is is wild to me lmao

its just a comp that plays off phys synergy with monk+warr

basically wowtoxic's group

[balmy condor]

that can't be good

[barren yarrow]

I mean wox is the highest M+ for rogue rn

idk if it’s really that good or if they’re just REALLY good players lol

[timber meadow]

lmao dude to be fair, warrior/outlaw/hunter all kinda blast

[thin tinsel]

tbf most specs blast if played to their strengths

[true nexus]

Surprised they dint fit a shaman in there, wonder if skyfury is better than mystic touch

[timber meadow]

is shaman phys? dont they have like buncha lightning and fire shit

[true nexus]

No but windfury goes giga ham for some specs

And mastery

[timber meadow]

oh yeah that's why probably, looking at their comp they def are goin for a theme lmao or maybe they just dont know a good shaman iono

[timber meadow]

yeah def, that's why its prob not too bad. just a buncha players good at phys specs that are buffing eachother

[west smelt]

I'm guessing they have the monk healing and the competition for the healer slot is going to be way more fierce covering way more than just who brings a better raid buff

[gray horizon]

hybrid m+ build: should i be keeping CT up on bosses/ST

[timber meadow]

yeah monk is healing - its def just cuase the monk is prob really good and brings mystic touch

[west smelt]

Hell could even simplify it way down: I wouldn't be surprised even if skyfury was way more damage than mystic touch that mistweaver still did more DPS (personal + mystic touch) than resto (personal + skyfury)

[timber meadow]

dude yeah mistweaver does so much dam

[waxen oyster]

skyfury is the better buff

tbh

[timber meadow]

yeah i def wouldn't be surprised if that was the case but then you gotta find a shaman that's as good or better than your monk and is also friends with your group and all that

[rancid wind]

if there are other rogues in raid to use Atrophic, do I swap to somehting else?

[waxen copper]

for bleed spec in M+ do we go with Whetstones or Mana oil is better ?

[barren yarrow]

You can do both no?

nvm

I’ve been seeing more mana oils

[waxen copper]

i guess mastery+crit is morer beneficial than AP for the bleeds

[winged sun]

shaman

didnt see u mentioning warr/monk

mb

[balmy condor]

nah, it's bugged and stacks last we checked, can run double atrophic

technically numbing works as a curse of weakness, and it stacks with warlock curse

so that's a viable swap

[desert crest]

I need someone to try 20 man outlaw with cloak and evasion and tricks to swap agro and infinite dr from antrophic

If i die not having seen this it has not been a full life

[west smelt]

Surely this is the one place in the world where that can be arranged

Be the change you want to see

[rancid wind]

cool cool

[void rampart]

Hey guys was thinking of picking up assassination rogue and was wondering is it hard to start out with?

[balmy condor]

not at all

[hidden bay]

Hardest spec in the game frfrfr

[thin tinsel]

I've just tried assa for the first time since BFA

my outlaw brain is struggling with the concept of pooling

but assa has been really chill in keys so far, outlaw gets exhausting very fast

[cerulean walrus]

Pooling

In TWW?

[keen spruce]

[thin tinsel]

I mean, you kinda want to pool no ?

compared to Outlaw at least

[hidden bay]

You can, yes. Gain is minimal

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[thin tinsel]

even with bleed bluid ?

I only play assa in keys for now

[hidden bay]

Well technically you try to play around staying above 50% energy

In big packs obviously less of an issue

[balmy condor]

it's also basically irrelevant to be above 50%

super minor in the grand scheme of thigns

[hidden bay]

The talent says it deals more dmg!!!

Need a second opinion from zeross here

[thin tinsel]

I mean, I'm not particularly good at staying above 50% but Sanguine Blades seems to do way more overall dmg in keys than FoK and Caustic Splatter

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah but what’s Zerocool doing

[hidden bay]

[thin tinsel]

so I thought I should try staying above 50%

[hidden bay]

That’s the real question

[thin tinsel]

so do you recommend spamming FoN + Envenom in keys?

[keen spruce]

Chain smoking cigarettes and screaming at his team a heavy EU accent

[ancient pendant]

anlaki

[thin tinsel]

what's a EU accent ?

[lean plover]

I used feint and evasion you know? anlaki

[balmy condor]

as opposed to what

[thin tinsel]

staying above 50%

[keen spruce]

Idk where he’s from so I can’t get more specific than that

[ancient pendant]

turkey i guess

[keen spruce]

Could be French could be Lithuanian could be Greek idk

NA brain

[thin tinsel]

Scottish is a EU accent

[keen spruce]

Yeah but I know Scottish

[ancient pendant]

wtf is this build

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KxRTGvkBMrnw2mJb?fight=19&type=summary&source=2

he dropped arterial precision for kingsbane

[balmy condor]

but you're over 50% in aoe regardless?

[thin tinsel]

depends on the size of the pull I guess ? I can definitely spend enough to stay below 50%

[balmy condor]

then you're not bleeding enough

[thin tinsel]

on smaller ones

[balmy condor]

but yes on the smaller ones you obviously want to be over 50%

[thin tinsel]

more like 4-5 ?

[balmy condor]

HUH

dawg what

there is 0 change in hell you're running out of energy on 5 targets

[thin tinsel]

I spread ruptures and garrote to all, but I don't feel like I automatically stay above 50% lol

wait, let me try on dummies rn

[balmy condor]

5 gar and 5 rup is 40 energy/sec baseline before haste and base regen

[thin tinsel]

ok so, I guess it's when garrotes start dropping

I've only pugged 10-11s so far with Assa cuz I'm a newbie and packs don't die within 18 seconds

that weird 10-20 seconds without full garrotes is not as easy on energy

[balmy condor]

yeh you won't have energy without the garrotes

need to get the ruptures rolling for energy

lose a bit of sang uptime

but its fine

not like you can spread garrotes out of stealth anyway

[thin tinsel]

guess I need to start refreshing Ruptures earlier, I'm still learning about timings

[balmy condor]

idk if its all that deep, you have pandemic for that

it's a pretty long window

[thin tinsel]

yeah, I know

but I'm lazy

if packs die in like 30-40 seconds it's a bit annoying to refresh Ruptures because it's on the edge of the 10 seconds

but if I misjudge and the packs takes 45-50 seconds instead it sucks

[fervent willow]

with bleed build is there a way to increase ST without losing too much on AOE? my single is always garbage

[thin tinsel]

still, it feels not very punishing

[waxen oyster]

No you just do like 1.6 and live with it

[static glacier]

Click create character and pick litterally any other class

[sly spoke]

[fervent willow]

😢

[waxen oyster]

ST feels kind of fine

a bit below everyone else but what can you do

Just the nature of a heavy aoe spec

[red cloak]

im ilvl 650, this sim was on default settings but with dungeon slice selected. is this normal dps or did i do something wrong? i see on archon people are doing 3.7m dps overall if im reading it right and i didnt think the disparity would be this huge so im trying to get a baseline

bleed build ^

[waxen oyster]

650 ilvl

your gear is terrible

[red cloak]

well im working on it, pug life is rough

[fleet pagoda]

afaik sim doesn't account for sudden demise damage as well, and that's a decent contributor to your overall with bleed

[balmy condor]

repeat after me

dungeonslice

is

not

a

[waxen oyster]

I mean if he's looking at fully geared people.

[balmy condor]

real

dungeon

[fleet pagoda]

technically none of these dungeons are real 🤓

[red cloak]

sorry im just trying to be more informed, i dont know what amount of dps i should be doing at what ilvl rn and i dont wanna be dragging my team down by being low dps. i wanna get better but ive already learned a lot just today

[balmy condor]

there's too many variables to know how much you should or should not be doing

as long as you're timing the key and doing around the same damage as ther rest of the group, you're doing it

just having a different tank with everything else equal could give you like an extra 400k dps

someone dies on a pull, your cds are 10-15 seconds late to stuff, you miss a cast

like

just no way to tell

[royal lantern]

are you real?

[ancient pendant]

bro i had a vdh

who was not even letting me restealth

all fucking dungeon

[buoyant herald]

assass is one of the better specs for overall damage, so in a group of similarly geared players you should be the top or near to it

[ancient pendant]

imagine my overall lol

[red cloak]

so far ive only been able to do 6s on my rogue. and not everyone is as nuanced as you are, they just see the meter and say bad lol i try not to let it bother me and do better. so far ive been keeping up in the 6s either first or second but not far from first. but its also a 6 so im not sure if it would be the same result in a 10

[buoyant herald]

but there are just SO many factors that go into key overall damage

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean in 6's you're cooked lmao

it's like 15% sudden demise damage

[buoyant herald]

in 6s everyone who's not a retpal is cooked, everything dies too fast

[balmy condor]

if people are complaining about dps in 6's tell them to eat shit

[ancient pendant]

in gear like 665+ yep

[red cloak]

yeah ret paladins are the only thing beating me lol

[ancient pendant]

just try to rupture at least 5 mobs

[red cloak]

divine storm....

[buoyant herald]

in 6s tbh get garrotte, rupture, crimson tempest up, shiv, and everything will die in shiv window lol

wouldn't worry even about spatter too much, get dots and shiv up and let demise take care of things

[red cloak]

im maintaining mark, CT, caustic, spreading rupture, and spamming envenom on CS target when i dont need to do bleed maintenance. i need to shiv more tho i know that

[buoyant herald]

remember shiv + zoldyck is 60% more bleed damage during execute, thats big demise value

and all your bleeds are up

[ancient pendant]

when mobs are like 35% of health

use your shiv if you have one

boom

big sudden demise

[balmy condor]

erm sir! bad math!

[ancient pendant]

ahah

try to get your gear higher

[buoyant herald]

dont get multiplicative with me m8

[fleet pagoda]

it's the modifiers police

[balmy condor]

erm!

sir!

multipliers!

[ancient pendant]

and you will get more dmg and more sudden demise damage

[buoyant herald]

weeoo weeoo

[ancient pendant]

wish you a good luck!

[red cloak]

so rn it might be an ilvl/low key problem

[ancient pendant]

yes

try to craft gear, get a Cards/Priory trinket

[runic hinge]

[ancient pendant]

and one passive trinket (Energy drink/Pacemaker from Floodgate)

[tall atlas]

Does the shiv debuff smart cleave

[red cloak]

i got a vet 8/8 priory and champ 4/8 mechano core rn

i havent gotten a champ energy drink or ritual knife unforch

[waxen oyster]

so do more delves

[red cloak]

yeah lets see if i get lucky

[waxen oyster]

delves>low keys for gear

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[static glacier]

Weekly map delves > m0s > m+ keys

For gearing rats imo

M0s are insane this season

Champ track with 1-2 pieces per dungeon

@balmy condor hows double passive for dungeons? I’ve seen it do pretty well for other classes unexpectedly

[fallow canopy]

[earnest flume]

anyone got tips for bleed build ST, feel like sometimes i do it right, sometimes not.

[buoyant herald]

Same as usual single target but you prio crimson tempest uptime over env, and for extra spice you also keep over 50% energy for sanguine blades

But you need to accept your single target will be butts no matter what

[hexed root]

bleed spec this much stronger now or just "fun"/flavor of the month crap?

[sand ermine]

Im sorry for the silly question, I am new to rogue and am still working to max level. While im leveling in TWW, i have begun to notice that my combo bar will refill either partially or fully after spending and I am not sure why its happening. I find myself casting generation right after and then potentially wasting points

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean if you’re chaining hard maybe kezan or something sure

[balmy condor]

Bone spike

[sand ermine]

OH duh. thanks! Assassination has been pretty damn fun so far, but im still trying to read through all the talents.

[hardy rapids]

IM SO CLOSE I CAN TASTE IT

[wise plume]

Is anyone still using hybrid build for certain dungeons w/ annoying bosses that take forever to kill?

[balmy condor]

but bleed is more boss dam

[wise plume]

is it?? im a bad rogue ok

[balmy condor]

it's at least equal

hybrid can do more single target if you decide to just sac your aoe and take FI and TTK and shit

but dunno

assa st always gonna blow

[wise plume]

real

[solar wyvern]

Demisemaxxing

fuck you hired muscle

[keen spruce]

Gm char

[solar wyvern]

Hi my favorite plane operator

[latent umbra]

so i asked chatgpt about ST for raid. u think this is correct?

[coral ibex]

why would you ask an AI

[balmy condor]

god if only there were a fucking guide or something

[latent umbra]

for fun

i asked AI to read ur guide and TLDR @balmy condor

xD

[balmy condor]

xD indeed

I'm glad you're having fun I guess

[latent umbra]

u think what AI said is correct?

i think its basically basing off ur guide

lolol

[balmy condor]

brother you cannot be fucking real right

it's already wrong by point 4

what are you on

and I don't appreciate my guide being compared with your dumb fucking AI either

[coral ibex]

wowhead should just cut out the middle man and have AI write the guides

[balmy condor]

yeah clearly since it can't even summarize a rotation page properly

"xD"

[low thicket]

Let the bots play the game for me too

[hidden bay]

Took the bait too easy

Got him once again

[balmy condor]

you right mb

silly of me to get angry when rude dipshits just insult me and my work

I am zen itself

[coral ibex]

i know what will take the edge off

some m+ keystones

[balmy condor]

idk about that better ask an AI

[coral ibex]

ok google show me this guy's balls

[latent umbra]

calm down bro jus playing around with chatgpt. if its wrong jus say its wrong. not trying to be rude and insult ur work

[runic hinge]

Whispyr is a known key doer now

[fallow canopy]

I love point 5. Boost your damage

Truly an AI moment

[drifting cloud]

maybe read the guide instead of asking the guidewriter to read the summary of the ai reading the guide

thoughts?

[balmy condor]

dude you showed up with some dogshit AI summary of my guide and half of it is easily identifiable as wrong, which is already insulting enough, but then you go and ask me to read if the obviously wrong AI is obviously wrong and make me do that stupid shit because "it's basing off ur guide lolol"

which is just so beyond rude

but then lmao just calm down bro it's a prank

nah man fuck you

[latent umbra]

🤦‍♂️

[fiery mauve]

ENVENOM FOR POISON DAMAGE

[west crown]

[hidden bay]

[fiery mauve]

[scenic nacelle]

[royal hazel]

Hybrid build, Energy above 50% or below?

[balmy condor]

below in st

[royal hazel]

🔥

[fossil falcon]

Cri chance: 21%
Haste: 4%
Mastery: 73%
Versa: 11%

Its an ok balance of stats for bleed build? Or should i aim any change?

[balmy condor]

we sim for that

generally anything works

[fossil falcon]

Mmmmhh ok thx

[buoyant herald]

i suspect sims will tell you to take more haste gear and less mastery but yes, use what gear sims say, don't chase stats

[fossil falcon]

How can i sim that? In the quick sim or the Top Gear?

[balmy condor]

just sim gear in top gear yeh

[fossil falcon]

👍

[balmy condor]

easiest would probably be just simming recrafting gear

especially if you have something crafted with a lot of secondaries like a neck

recrafting like a dagger or swapping gems is so minor that it won't make a difference most of the time

cause you're only swapping around like 200 stats

[fossil falcon]

Sure, better try swapping neck or rings

[flint siren]

It"s extra hilarious bc genAI is just a word calculator, and the guide for rn will not have been in its training data. So even if it was capable enough to correctly guess the context, it'd have no way of "knowing" what to actually predict to come to the current state of the game. P sure it cannot go to a life website to "summarize" it, so you'd have to actually copy paste the guide in there to begin with.
And even then it can only try to predict next words, so like
What are we even doing?

[buoyant herald]

thats one of the reasons i like crafting one of those slots early, easier to rebalance stats if you get weirdly out of kilter

[rotund oak]

reverse reasoning to actually validate your stupid point is next lvl.Ild slap you out of this server if i were whispyr,you should be happy he's the smart guy between you two

https://tenor.com/eN85caNnI91.gif

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-pizza-gif-6074641

[sharp viper]

[runic hinge]

[rotund oak]

[cedar flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cerulean socket]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[cerulean socket]

sorry for the noob quetion but im looking at the BIS gear in the guide and I was wonder how the best combination of gear is achieved is it through simming all the gear through raidbots?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean socket]

could I theoretically achive the same level as the bis if Im able to recreate the stat weights through a different combination of gear pieces?

[balmy condor]

yes, especially with gems/ring enchants there's no less than like 700-800 combinations that are "bis"

which is part of the reason why BiS lists in general are just absolute full of shit

they really only exist in 2025 in order to make google happy and push guides up the search results

[cerulean socket]

I see I see and last thing I looked at that blood mallet sim is that like the golden ratio for my stat weights? (And thank you so much for answering my questions its super help ful because im having a real hard time getting my dps up)

[balmy condor]

I mean depends on what a golden ratio means to you

that's not really a thing

it ends up being item level > whatever item

and you just "fix" your secondaries from your crafts and gems plus whatever random ass off pieces you have

[cerulean socket]

I see thank you for all the help!

[worn path]

has anyone run a sim to see what the dps loss is for not getting stealth in a key if the tank chain pulls

surely someones run it

[balmy condor]

yes

the math adds up that if the tank pulls 3-4 seconds faster, it's around equal

[worn path]

3-4 seconds faster than?

[balmy condor]

than normal

[rotund oak]

domain expansion : frontline charging

lul

[balmy condor]

like if the two options are pull 3-4 seconds faster, or pause to let the rogue restealth

those are equal to the rogue

which means it's just a group increase to pull

[worn path]

so pull while you still have things rolling for energy regen or let them stealth

[balmy condor]

that's also why high end keys are like 90% chain pulls

it's just faster

rogues doing insano dam is because they're chaining

[blazing tulip]

Should be able to manage with double vanish.

[balmy condor]

it's also the problem with details tbh

[worn path]

i havent had any issues, just curious how much of a loss it actually is

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean depends how you flip it

what you're chaining into, etc

dungeonslice randomizes the durations and spawn times, so it gets a mix of chain pulls and restealths

which is why we rely on it for example

but like chaining a 2 pack into a 20 pack is obviously different than chaining a near dead 20 pack into a 2 pack

[worn path]

theres a common thought process that the damage lost on killing the last mob for other classes isnt worth the gain on resetting for the rogue

which likely is the case if you have vanish etc.

[balmy condor]

well that's true for the rogue even without vanish

like that's why chaining is good, you just get more uptime on bigger aoe for all your dps

it's good for every spec

[brisk forge]

Tanks are w8ing to long in 14 range to chain pull. Lose so much time in certain keys

[worn path]

yep pretty much

[rotund oak]

specs that are more cd dependant do less dmg though

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean pulling the next pack with 1 straggler at 0.1% isn't a chain pull that's just bad tanking, and that is shit for every spec in the game

[rotund oak]

thats why you see ppl crying about it

that the overall dmg increases and makes the run faster its a given though

non negotiable

[balmy condor]

there's a very distinct difference between dogshit tanks that don't understand how to pull and press w when the pack is at 2%

versus a tank that does a chain pull

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/772305085983621141.webp?size=96

me being a tank that understands how to chain pull

[balmy condor]

jumping ahead and pulling the next pack when the last mob is basically dead and your dps isn't prepared at all is just stupid

that's not a rogue thing, that's an everyone thing

like yes we get restealths and have stealth benefits, but none of this is actually a rogue issue

it's just a bad tanking issue that affects every spec

across every class

[buoyant herald]

you kinda just chain pull when the danger mobs or casters are down right

[rotund oak]

tonk issue

[balmy condor]

yeh

the idea is to just always be at the brink of what's able to be handled

[bronze pike]

it doesnt help

that majority of tanks are incapable of actually tanking

much less chain pulling

[rotund oak]

pull whatever u can tank

[balmy condor]

if you're doing a pack and it's like 4 dudes just hitting the tank and no casters and no aoe is going out, then like what's the point in just standing there

[rotund oak]

thats the general rule

[balmy condor]

drag more things in

[bronze pike]

the average fotm vdh

will promote the rogue into active mitigation

cause they dont like pressing buttons

[brisk forge]

It goes for most players. Ppl arent thinking

[rotund oak]

vdh can burn in hell btw,palatonks ftw

[worn path]

you mean the pink thing on the floor

[balmy condor]

like you should always just be pulling until the pack is too difficult, either because you run out of required kicks/stops, or there's just too much shit and your tank falls over or your healer can't deal with it

things die, pack isn't difficult anymore

go next

you magically end up also pulling around cooldowns like that

cause your tank and your healer and your dps will be doing cds together for big difficult pulls

[worn path]

pulling around CD's by always having a pack of things to hit MASSIVE brain

[balmy condor]

and everything is nice and flowing together and it's good

or you pug m+

and then you're doomed

but that's your fault for getting pug tanks

random pug tank only understands zug, hold w, and his own cds

or worse, they'll just follow some route from a streamer like a robot and nothing will ever line up

that's always a fun one

the streamers chaining and getting to difficult packs in time for a cooldown set

and then the pug tank being a dumbfuck and nothing is lining up so then a giga pull happens with no cds and you fall over and die and the tank calls everyone a slur and leaves

pugs are so interesting

[iron vapor]

Interesting is one word for it

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean pugging anything higher than vault keys ends up being the equivalent of dumpster diving looking for a Michelin star meal

[radiant raven]

That's a good way to phrase it

As a puglord, I concur. It's absolutely that.

[bronze pike]

actually true

[quartz kelp]

pugs are so 💔 🥀

[balmy condor]

I mean it's kinda self-fulfilling for pugs

good players will not pug

so the average pug is a shitter

[rotund oak]

if u wanna pug u are hunter/mage/warlock pov

[bronze pike]

not only

[radiant raven]

Sometimes you strike gold. Most of the time you strike a confusing situation where you wonder if they ahve their montior turned on.

[rotund oak]

if u arent into tanking/healing

[bronze pike]

do they copy streamer shit

they also copy streamer builds

[balmy condor]

which means the best shitters will go god damn there's shitters in pugs, and go make their own groups

which then makes pugs more shittier

[bronze pike]

so not only do you have a tank that has a aids route with 0 concept on why thats a route

[balmy condor]

and round and round we go

[bronze pike]

but he will do 0 damage

so things in the giga pull wont die fast enough

[quartz kelp]

yea i gave up trying to pug on my rogue and just joined a grp on my mistweaver to push keys

[radiant raven]

My favourite is when a pug breaks out the incredibly complex MDI strat in a weekly key with no communication

[bronze pike]

cause he thinks pulling a 10+ mob pull with only soulcleave a 5 target chard capped ability

[quartz kelp]

wasnt rly interested in applying to 50 keys per invite

[bronze pike]

will be enough

not to mention

as reaver

[balmy condor]

at the end of the day LFG just ends up being a cesspool of rejects and degenerates that no one wants to group with

unlucky

[bronze pike]

and then wonders why he loses threat and why his cds arent killing things

[rotund oak]

its shocking how faster im finding groups as a mage rather as a rogue.Its stupid,ppl dont trust rogues that do more dmg than any fire mage that does tank dmg

[bronze pike]

i love reaver vdh

[radiant raven]

They also want the BL with a mage

[bronze pike]

i l,ove it when this dogshit spec is meta

cause i can see how p[eople fail in the most spectacule ways

and bring the whole group down with them

[quartz kelp]

its also the fact that rogue doesnt bring shit to the table anymore

[bronze pike]

i love it that they play a hero tree that only generates threat 3 globals in

and then make that 3 global wait

[radiant raven]

The pinnacle of bad pug groups is the VDH leaping into the first pack, immediately dying, dropping a slur, and leaving the key. It is common, and it is never not funny

[rotund oak]

BL,Ring,sheep,novas,DB,iceblock,slows,barrier

[bronze pike]

until a 7 global wait

cause they have to add filler

like chains into silence

[radiant raven]

I can bring a sheep too.

[bronze pike]

into nova

then the hunt (channel btw)

to reaver then soulcleave

which means soulcleave only hits 3 times

instead of 6

[quartz kelp]

the look on the dps face after they applied to grps for 30 mins just for it to end like that

[bronze pike]

cause they didnt fucking PRESS FRACTURE

[radiant raven]

Yep. Been there so many times

[bronze pike]

"ret your bad, stop taking aggro from me"

IM SORRY

I TOO WANT TO PLAY THE GAME