assassination

[hexed root]

but we generally do 1 rogue for progs

[fleet pagoda]

yep only swap when it's most dire/at range. I was swapping a bunch because we had some unethical wizards and deaths and only had 19mil on barrels by envenoms

triplel that on caustic for the few in range though

[coral ibex]

yea something out of my fucking asshole

[prisma shadow]

I never swapped to one it was fine

[coral ibex]

aka shit

[prisma shadow]

If its totally fucked yeah

[coral ibex]

another fight where i do nothing but hit the boss and pray ranged are awake

[prisma shadow]

Swap to save the pull

[lethal arrow]

if u envenom a non bled/nonmarked add

it legit does 4000 dmg

i swear

its not even worthi t

if u have a darkest night proc, sure send it

[hexed root]

gotta listen to the raid leader

[coral ibex]

yea

[haughty flicker]

i dont think we're ever killing stix

i think i'll die before this boss dies

[lethal arrow]

get the scoreboard WA

and shame anyone who hits a crab

[coral ibex]

eventually you'll roll the optimal ball roller config

just pray nobody else finds a way to wipe you

[lethal arrow]

can also have your boomkin (if u have one) taunt the boss before first set

so they can full dps the rest of the fight

or if someone is really good at balls

have them taunt before each set (this will fucking obliterate their dps)

[gloomy heart]

what was the wa to auto tricks tanks

[balmy condor]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[gloomy heart]

goat

[elfin valley]

Sprocket dead

<- bad rogue

[urban minnow]

do we always play bleed spec or do we play hybrid in some dungeons? is there a list somewhere if so

[hexed root]

what bleed spec is the fomo currently? been hearing some randomly

[coral ibex]

the bleed spec that has existed since 2023 and got buffed recently is linked on wowhead

[balmy condor]

Hybrid in high workshops maybe idk

But bleed works fine every key

[viral apex]

yo for bleed spec, Do i go under 50% energy during ST?

[fleet pagoda]

optimal to stay above 50%, not the end of the world if you go under

[viral apex]

I see thanks

So don't spam envenoms

gotcha

[fleet pagoda]

yeah, unless your bleeds are running out or if you have DN active you can pull up the second monitor

[gray sleet]

my kingsbane is at the left and right side is a 10 ilvl lower kb he did not so much, but more damage than me, why?

[coral ibex]

better to link the log

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna guess not pressing shiv

[gray sleet]

I am

[gloomy heart]

i got pacemaker first try

LOL

[frank trench]

Woooooah wait a second

I been taking every down to like zero spamming ever ima with bleed

lol I’m an idiot

I’m losing the energy burn talent the

[pure moth]

what?

[frank trench]

The talent where bleeds use energy

I forgot name

[buoyant herald]

sanguine blades

[late parrot]

Linguine blades

[waxen oyster]

hmm interesting

like 95% of logs are still vv this week

[coral ibex]

its a sim urself angle

for VV vs MA

[waxen oyster]

yeah ik

[coral ibex]

[waxen oyster]

just was more surprised it was that high

vv is 17k lower so slightly curious what puts it ahead for other people

[snow hamlet]

Cuz VV is better than MA in M6 7 8

[balmy condor]

Vv also handedly better execute

[snow hamlet]

You always need super execute

[waxen oyster]

This is what i expected

what is m678

[snow hamlet]

Bandit Mugzee gallywix

[waxen oyster]

i mean i suspected vv might be better for spatter

just due to what it buffs

[scenic kraken]

During big aoe after you bleed everything do you spam fon/ct or do you funnel envenom into splatter? Also do I need to re apply my bleeds in the execute window or will it automatically tick higher once they hit? I feel like I’m only doing 4-5m even in pretty big pulls. I hit 13m once but I have no idea what I did different

[snow hamlet]

Better for execute

[worldly dock]

!wa

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[snow hamlet]

If you compare VV and MA in execute patchwerk sim you can know why

For me it’s 2% gap

[waxen oyster]

How do you even sim execute.

I was more curious what's causing vv to outsim for people in a generic patchwerk sim.

[haughty flicker]

i normally build a pool and remove the ladder

[charred obsidian]

[fallow canopy]

VV is less neurons also and in hard fights I can't spare those

[waxen oyster]

lmao true

[snow hamlet]

This is a execute sim

[gray sleet]

What's VV

!vv

And what's MA

[fallow canopy]

Vicious venoms

[fallow canopy]

Master assassin

[waxen oyster]

makes your ambush/mut do more damage as nature

[gray sleet]

So VV is better

[waxen oyster]

also removes the need to use ctw procs on st

[fallow canopy]

Depends

[waxen oyster]

and removes vanish as a dps cd

Well, I guess if you want to nitpick you probably could vanish ambush to apply dsm while you have a DN proc

Not sure how much a gain this even would be

if at all

@balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

Not really worth anything cause of the stack thing

[waxen oyster]

it doesnt even give you 1-2 more hunt them down hits from the autos?

[fallow canopy]

Stonks

[waxen oyster]

While you're building to spend an env

likely nothing in reality

or almost nothing

[balmy condor]

Sims can’t tell

But sure yeah whatever

[waxen oyster]

Does execute patchwerk just mean the boss has an execute phase btw.

i.e the reg patchwerk setting means boss never has

[gray sleet]

All bosses have execute phase on sims

that just means that the sim will considerate that's on exe range

[snow hamlet]

No, it means the execution phase of the sim, and the general patchwerk still includes some execution phase

[gray sleet]

for the hwole duration of the sim

[waxen oyster]

oh so a 5min execute patchwerk would just mean the boss is in range

for the entire 5mins

[haughty flicker]

the dream

[waxen oyster]

I mean on prog you will likely have a longer execute

since dead mfs

[snow hamlet]

VV has significantly stronger execute capabilities, which is quite suitable for the bandit/mugzee combat model, because you will use bl in the execution phase.

[haughty flicker]

give us a fight like sylvanas or iridikron where they never go into execute

and reverse it

boss never leaves execute

it has 1 hp and you're just hitting a shield the whole time

[balmy condor]

Unironically I think we’d play vicious venoms and ma together

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

Cause like why bother with zold

[snow hamlet]

[waxen oyster]

was always funny considering

eon gave us an pseudo execute

unless you bug abused kyrian druid for instant 4 stack on pull

Honestly when ma vs vv became a sim yourself thing i did not expect an over 95% vv pickrate

for easy bosses, thats really where the surprise was

[snow hamlet]

Strictly speaking, 17k is a very small gap, not enough to make people give up stronger execute. If it is 71k, it will change.

[waxen oyster]

It is but wow players sweat over minor gains

i mean hell maghar is only a 10k gain on sims for me

yet i look at people swapping to it

[snow hamlet]

But there may not actually be any gains, at least for the myth bandit/mugzee

[solar wyvern]

Every single sub 1% pull i was chosen for ice spears

I hate this boss i hate this boss

[haughty flicker]

start making lowest dps stand in front of any spears targetted for you

[solar wyvern]

Xd

Imagine losing out on 6 seconds of lingering darkness execute envenoms because you get rng chose

Couldn't be me

[snow hamlet]

[gloomy heart]

with this new bleed build should my caustic not be my #1? or am i terrible

please tell me i am terrible

[haughty flicker]

ct will normally be your highest damage

in bleed build

[snow hamlet]

You are good

[haughty flicker]

caustic can still be pretty high depending on dungeon and pulls though

[snow hamlet]

[gloomy heart]

caustic was like my 5th LOL

i just came back to pve tho

so

idk wtf i am even doing

[solar wyvern]

Mugzee has made me absolutely loathe the tea at 30 energy change

Im holding stacks since we slow dps anyway

And I'm just here pooling to 150 energy

Because i don't want to accidentally proc a tea charge before intermission

[coral oracle]

is deathstalker best rn for raid st bosses?

ive been trying it out and trying to follow the rotation but im struggling to get clsoe to my outlaw dmg

[wanton tangle]

playing bleed build in M+, is our single target damage kinda poop? i seem to sturggle with bosses even when i have constant uptime on bleeds

[blazing pumice]

yes

[fresh kelp]

ya was pretty annoying for such scenarios

[blazing pumice]

it is even more poop with the hybrid build

[signal crane]

With everyone talking about this bleed build in m+ is it really the way to go now…I jut started sin and got used to hybrid 🤦🏼‍♂️should I be playing bleed now? I just looked at top logs few days ago and was like 70% hybrid 30% bleed but I’m guessing only because bleed is newly good?

[blazing pumice]

yes

[signal crane]

Straight to the point, I like it🤣

[scarlet spade]

Is there a point where we will finally replace the ring from siren isles

[runic hinge]

maybe

[hidden bay]

If you get enough stats, yes

[scarlet spade]

Right on I had I had just noticed recently on raiderio I have seen some people not running but the vast majority do still run it was just curious if there was some kinda break point in Sims where you can replace this thing

[hidden bay]

Prolly if secondary stats do not give you more gain than agility

But then again, depending on the rest of your gear

[mystic osprey]

anyone know how I can get lightweight shiv here?

[blazing pumice]

drop iron wire

[mystic osprey]

no

i need iron wire

surely theres another way

[blazing pumice]

press kick

and drop iron wire

[mystic osprey]

no

[blazing pumice]

drop ma

or preferably iron wire

[mystic osprey]

yeah nah im dropping iron wire

thats sad

i love iron wire

[cerulean nest]

so whats the void elf tech on mugzee

just throw out your port before jails, then port after the soak?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[drifting cloud]

you can throw it after jail is up aswell

[cerulean nest]

ah nice

did you guys have most people swap to that?

seeming like sort of a necessity

[snow hamlet]

Not necessary, but if possible, it will be very helpful for the last 4 jails in p3, you can help share the damage and then teleport out to soak immunity

[rotund oak]

that makes us two

now change the colour i thought u were mustard for my sandwich

[manic anvil]

any1 got a ks and dm macro?

[pastel cradle]

any recommended builds for workshop +12 and above? Been using this idk if there's a better option:

[blazing pumice]

yes, bleed build

see pin

[velvet ridge]

I do too. I tried dropping sts and doom blade for shiv2, kings bane

And I kinda like it

Harder to start a pull, but it's really not that bad

If you check out the paragraph manes linked. Or the new video in the pins

[balmy condor]

You wanna macro killing spree and deathmark?

[mystic osprey]

kingsbane 🤮

[static glacier]

wowhead bozo doesn't even know

[balmy condor]

bro does he want to macro kidney shot

what the hell is ks

ktempered spotion

[static glacier]

it shouldnt be a kb typo

b is quite far from s

I got it

it's Kill shot

applies a bleed buff

when survival spec'd

clearly he just wants that bleed up for dm

[pastel cradle]

thanks, would the rotation be pretty much the same then? less emphasis on cs i imagine?

[blazing pumice]

cs is the same

you want it up regardless

[brisk forge]

Yeah one of the main thing in aoe

[blazing pumice]

ct just does more of your damage and you keep it up st

[pastel cradle]

bet thanks. will try it out

[lime flame]

is there any WA that take count of how many target has garrote? on my WA it's shows the rapture count but not garrote

[blazing pumice]

garrotte count doesn't matter

[lime flame]

mh

well

[buoyant herald]

if you really really wanted it

just copy it and change the trigger

to garotte

[grim jay]

its quite literally just a waste of your pc's resources

[lime flame]

i thought was important to know

ty

[blazing pumice]

you only want to know rupture because of scent of blood

outside of IC windows, you don't garrote in aoe

[lime flame]

okok amazing

[chilly sluice]

morning guys, quick one, should i be using HoC on cd or just lining it up with my deathmark?

[normal mist]

99% sure you line it with deathmark

CD stacking is better than just sending it randomly with nothing

[chilly sluice]

that's what i assumed but then HoC sits off cd for 1min after the second use

[lusty kraken]

just macro it with deathmark

[buoyant herald]

pretend its a 2min cd

and carry on

[chilly sluice]

crazy it's better than even priory with the cd waste

[balmy condor]

its equal to priory

[normal mist]

Yo whispyr, got my curve yesterday! 1 week gaming goes hard

[balmy condor]

gamer

[normal mist]

2 pulls on gally

2nd on dps

20 ilvl below everyone else

The only thing that makes me happy is the ilevel parses from yesterday honestly

This way i can feel good

(yes i didnt know sprocket had a knockback)

[buoyant herald]

pretty nice reading for a first time through

[normal mist]

Perks of never playing with DBM is that i actually memorize the fights

so i only need 1 lockout, maybe 2 to get everything in my head

[buoyant herald]

now you can spend the next 2 months frustratedly trying to fix sprocket and mugzee as something keeps ruining it for you

[normal mist]

nah, im not a parsing chaser anymore

im going even more casual

[buoyant herald]

neither am i usually but when just one sticks out my ocd makes me want all the colours the same lol

[normal mist]

sprocket is easy to get a good parse, i just need to NOT get blown out of the platform and shadowstep doesnt go out in time

mugzee i honestly dont know what i did "wrong"

since i was 2nd on dps

[buoyant herald]

assass can cleave the two mobs in the cages with caustic spatter

[normal mist]

my actual parses (not ilvl)

[buoyant herald]

so you need to be doing that

[normal mist]

but lets keep in mind, i was 647

[buoyant herald]

mugzee is my nemesis, every week some fresh hell gets me

[normal mist]

[buoyant herald]

is ok, keeps me coming back for heroic skip so guild probably appreciates it 😂

[visual sun]

Wait… you guys drop jails beside the boss for spatter range? Ours drop it like 15 yards away from boss. Or u drag the boss after

[grand trail]

I'm ready for next buff

[buoyant herald]

Well you can and should but asking 3 people to go out of their way so one spec can do more damage doesn’t always work

[grim jay]

well its a raidlead call

and not really "going out of their way"

[static glacier]

in mythic it's the standard strat

[wheat patio]

where can i find a guide to the bleed build since i want to try out sin

[cursive island]

youtube.com/@balmy condor5793

2 videos on bleed build by Whispyr, watch them or read the wowhead guide

Sorry didn't realise that would ping you xd

[wheat patio]

no worries and thanks

[wild star]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

hilarious ping

[viscid spear]

[warm vortex]

Every time i wanna make a shitpost i see the fucking new whispyr vid image

and it makes me laugh

[viscid spear]

Me and who

[dawn seal]

helo

[dawn seal]

me

[viscid spear]

[spring socket]

Do we replace ring with a myth track?

[normal mist]

sim

[dapper halo]

i just cant surpass a boomer drood

theyre way too op

[warm vortex]

Lmao what boonies have you seen

Mine are all offbeat owls that don’t know where half their buttons are

[dapper halo]

this one knew its buttons

[rotund oak]

flux doing flux things

[normal mist]

i tried to shadowstep

but it didnt go out

but i did

LOL

[rotund oak]

the only thing that would surprise me is a new dye

like orange or something

orange/red/brown

something like that

[warm vortex]

Colour his hair like an Easter eg for the season

[rotund oak]

we are both getting nuked

[warm vortex]

Bro if I was getting kicked I’d have gotten kicked a while ago

[rotund oak]

ive made guy so mad i should get kicked into orbit

i think they like me

[royal lantern]

i did that out of panic once

but it was mythic

so instead of dying, i killed 4 other people aswell

[normal mist]

LOL

NOTHING PERSONAL, KIDS

[red schooner]

At least I can bring back my shadowstep to raid leader macro for sprocket when a wipe is called

[dawn seal]

hello

whats that

emote

[terse stirrup]

bleed build want 5~7% haste?

[dawn seal]

[normal mist]

bleed build wants to sim

[grim jay]

dang, is it a twin of hybrid?

[dawn seal]

whats the name of the background thing

that koffing has

[grim jay]

because I swear hybrid wants us to sim aswell

[dawn seal]

I wanna google the thing

[viscid spear]

Well they certainly pushed yours

[dapper halo]

[royal lantern]

you have to be a fulltime feral main for that

[dawn seal]

oh

no wae

[grim jay]

yeah its crazy

or rather

furry

[royal lantern]

hm?

[warm vortex]

You called

[spice spire]

[coral ibex]

ok OAB isn't that bad

i slept on it

i just hit boss thats pretty neat

[golden loom]

sounds lovely

[warm vortex]

Tbh

If I was any other spec I’d be upset with poker chip duty

BM it’s fine tho

[coral ibex]

not sure how much i like bosses where i have no influence on the boss dying

but i’ll take it

[golden loom]

isnt that every boss as rogue tho

we are just a lil melee dps

[coral ibex]

no i have a job on rik and i have to do balls right on stix

[spice spire]

Damn

[golden loom]

whats ur job on rik

hoping and praying for good spawns?

[coral ibex]

soak circle

i just go turbo doomer when there’s many pulls in a row where the only thing i did wrong was not die quick enough for the wipe to get another pull before break/end of the night

[golden loom]

lockenstock experience

[coral ibex]

indeed

we’re on interrupt anchor prog

bc these monkeys won’t just interrupt

[worthy rose]

I’ve almost timed everything on 12 and I’m at around 2920 rating

Feels kinda crazy

Relatively high rating and I know I’m pretty bad at roguing gg

Half the stuff u guys talk about here goes over my head 😂

[royal lantern]

m+ is mostly about dungeon knowledge tbh

[ebon geyser]

!wa

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[sour elm]

Anyone up to helping me analyze my kill log of sprocket last night?

[golden loom]

send it bossman

[sour elm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vcHQy7nWPptmMgKf?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=24&view=timeline

Probs best to ignore the last 30 seconds; only got to the last part a couple times and had some panics

but need to figure out what is wrong with my overall rotation

[golden loom]

okay one big issue I see right away

[sour elm]

hit me

[golden loom]

holy fuck you feint a lot

[sour elm]

lmaoo

I think its a habit I am carrying over from outlaw

its just up all the time so I press it a lot

[golden loom]

like bro, you feinted 10x more times in 1 kill than I did over 13 wipes

[sour elm]

no AOE is gonna scare me haha

[golden loom]

defensive use is good but thats just eating energy

[sour elm]

ok less feint ezpz

[coral ibex]

you dont need to feint damage that isn't threatening

[golden loom]

Especially during sprocket, the damage is so predictable that your healers are gonna be sending it anyways

[red schooner]

Yeah, your healers might get bored, so, think of the healers

Give them something to do.

[sour elm]

I am actively sabotaging healing parses

[red schooner]

That's what they're there for its fine probs

[coral ibex]

i dont think i feint at all except in intermission when im eating the aoe to get uptime

[red schooner]

okay you know what, fair

[sour elm]

less feint ezpz, any other big issues?

[red schooner]

Rotation looks solid from the brief look I gave it

[golden loom]

just checked our 40 pull night, I also only feinted twice during that entire night

[red schooner]

Not got to sprocket yet so I don't really know the fight on mythic so can't really comment on fight specifics but yeah, base rotation looks alright

[sour elm]

its pretty much 100% uptime single target

[coral ibex]

actually you should probably feint the bombs just in case

[golden loom]

This is the knock right? Would probably be best to refresh bleeds/get envenom before cds

[sour elm]

less feint will help me there for sure; I am always energy starved before the knock

so it was having trouble refreshing

[red schooner]

Is shadowstepping the knockback alright in mythic or does that just run the risk of sending someone else flying into the abyss?

[coral ibex]

no

absolutely do not shadowstep in mythic

it is banned

[red schooner]

fuck

[golden loom]

I think u can step if u are the side not taking gate but I havent dared to try it

[sour elm]

yea very banned

[red schooner]

We're getting to it on Monday probably so I still need to do more research on the fight

[golden loom]

cause Sprocket is facing the other side anyways so u should end up in the correct spot

and gate people arent even there yet

[coral ibex]

the only melee mech to worry about is the knockback

[sour elm]

it will take time but its a ranged mechanic heavy fight, most of the time for melee you are target dummy-ing minus a few mechanics

[coral ibex]

you will kill the boss as soon as you live thru 2nd knockback with 20 people

[red schooner]

fuck yeah i can chill then

Bench for stix prog, melee on sprocket prog

I'm eating good this season

[sour elm]

aight cool thanks boyos; if yall thin kof anything else drop me a ping. Ill unbind feint

[golden loom]

we had boss at 12% like 15 seconds before 2nd knock with like 5 dead, the damage is wild

[coral ibex]

yea boss is free as soon as the ranged wake up

[red schooner]

thankfully most of our maniacs are melee players

so

[golden loom]

yeah I think it will deffo be a big improvement, cant really see any major rotation issues cause maybe u dont have the energy to fuck up

[coral ibex]

if every ranged player simply stops hitting the boss to do their ranged mechs every time

[red schooner]

free boss?

[coral ibex]

the boss will still die before ball phase

but people will greed casts for no reason

[golden loom]

the small area voidbeams + magnets is like the only thing that should be hard

but idk

stuff just blows up

[coral ibex]

pre-strafe and save all ur defensives for that

amz, barrier, priest circle thing

[golden loom]

wanna know where my cloak was

[coral ibex]

intermission

for uptime

[golden loom]

used to do 10k more dps

[coral ibex]

im doing that next week for sure

[golden loom]

im so jealous of our dk

he is on giga afk mode

just presses deaths advance and shit to make the fight even more braindead

[coral ibex]

i still can't believe how forgiving the lock port timing is

[vapid sierra]

how come my sim wants no cyrcet

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tM6DFjj8svY3tbf5AbcADb

[golden loom]

nah fuck that shit

[red schooner]

i don't think we run skippers any more

[golden loom]

the item just bugs perma or something

[coral ibex]

never had that

[golden loom]

like I've had it not work 4 times

[vapid sierra]

might of simmed with outlaw gems by accident

[golden loom]

and I swear its not me being bad, cause I ran back to the gate spamming the item and it still didnt work

so I had to manually click

[red schooner]

swap to these and rerun it

[golden loom]

scam game

[coral ibex]

nah i've literally taken the port halfway across the map

its so forgiving

[golden loom]

yeah same

but then sometimes

the item doesnt go off?

like does it register as me taking it -> but getting knocked afterwards -> puts item on CD but not gate cause I can still click it? idk

makes no sense

[coral ibex]

yea thats strange

dont think we had anyone with that issue

[golden loom]

I would think im crazy but thankfully our ret has had the same issue

[real pike]

our RL made a graph of it cause we had some fuckery

For the picture the values are in ms. Green means survived the knock. Yellow means death but inconclusive because collisions happened. Red means blown off platform

one instance of gating after the knock and still flying off

[red schooner]

Looking forward to sprocket prog at least, I do better at dance style bosses, I don't adapt on the fly to things that well.

Gonna be a good time.

[vestal cliff]

what is the Fatebound / VV / master assassin build in the pins?

[golden loom]

ignore it for your own sanity

fuck fatebound on god

[vestal cliff]

XD

i would like to see it

[golden loom]

like just ask @coral ibex he did a whole mythic sprocket kill without capstone procing

[clear shell]

!macro

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[clear shell]

!m

[vestal cliff]

YO

thats rad

[mortal badger]

do it

love gamba og

[vestal cliff]

i dont even know how to get VV and Master Assassin

[golden loom]

I mean the upside isnt even that high

fatebound is a spec of awfully low lows and mediocre highs

[late ravine]

What do you guys put raidbots to when simming for m+

[red schooner]

dungeonslice

[lavish wing]

my god bleed build dm rotation feels suuuper weird

on bosses

[late ravine]

YEP if you dont have DM up for boss, ur boss dmg is coooooooooooked

[late ravine]

Heard it was cooked, but is it the most reliable way to sim m+?

[golden loom]

its not cooked for rogue

[late ravine]

Kk tyvm!

[lavish wing]

ye, i usually have it but still, its like nothing to do 😄

[red schooner]

Apparently its the recommended way for rogues, other classes like 5 target patchwerk or something

[mortal badger]

do not worry
FB rework coming in 11.2
we will be the new dark ranger mm hunters

[late ravine]

Figured I should start simming for dungeonslice then XD 3333io so far

[harsh ravine]

with the bleed build, is it usefull to send deathmark in AOE ?

if there are no prio target in the pack, like workshop 1

[lavish portal]

my ST simms with fatebound are higher as deathstalker, i should stay deathstalker for lockenstock mythc prpgress or going with the simm?

[spice spire]

Read latest pin

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/noahnoah-gif-15569947813902812404

i'm ok

i'm fine

everything is fine

[spice spire]

King are you good

[little tulip]

6

[coral ibex]

i'm cooked

[spice spire]

7

[lavish portal]

i read it but we are on 100%/0 on warscraftlogs with ds/fate

[little tulip]

% haste is bad ;-;

[coral ibex]

i raid 3 days a week and want to do more

[spice spire]

You’re cooked

[spice spire]

Pin is 3 days old

[golden loom]

having a small problem of all classic guild raid times overlapping with retail raiding..

[spice spire]

Dog what

Classic raid in the year of our lord 2025

[golden loom]

raiding on hardcore very fun

[coral ibex]

he's smorcing

[spice spire]

Oh hc makes more sense

[golden loom]

look at big cuh

[little tulip]

bro is not that much dopamine

[spice spire]

Greens

[golden loom]

I hit 60 yesterday

[spice spire]

Mf tryna hit hardcore raid with greens tho

[coral ibex]

how much to kill your raid

[spice spire]

You are a Warrior

It doesn’t matter tf am I saying

[golden loom]

need like 4 items to be raid ready

[coral ibex]

hypothetically

if someone wanted to watch it happen

[little tulip]

same hit from say zug zug successful arena prog

or modest cheesecake

[golden loom]

idk I just wanna parse

😎

[coral ibex]

if rogue wasn't just 80% of a warrior i'd play more vanilla

gotta sweat so hard just to be under some zug parsing 75

[golden loom]

I liked rogue raiding but after leveling my 2nd rogue to 60 the new servers came out and killed old server..

so I just quit and started playing retail

[coral ibex]

the only fun part of raiding rogue on classic is making raid leads mad that you didn't roll warrior

"bro can you just reroll man pls" whispers mid raid

better than a 99

[golden loom]

in HC tho raiding as rogue means u wont die as often as warrior

like I only died due to a crazy dumb keybind but otherwise we had like no rogues die and weekly warrior deaths

[knotty canopy]

What spec is the best for Mythic Bandit progress?

[coral ibex]

probably sin

maybe sub if you really need add damage

[muted nebula]

guys question !

"Enable Action Targeting Mode" is it suggested with assassination rogue ?

because sometimes it changes my target randomly in AOE so the target that i applied "Garrote" and "Rupture" on will be changed will that still active "Vemenous Wounds" or changes target will lead to dps drops and stamina loss ?

[coral ibex]

its pretty late in the tier to be short on cleave tho

we have so much ilvl

wtf is action targeting mode

i wouldn't use anything that would randomly change my target

ever

for any reason

[muted nebula]

its the option that

automatcily press on mobs

instead of pressing on everymob by mouse

[golden loom]

sounds very bad

[coral ibex]

yea no idea what that is but i would not use it if it changes your target selection

[scenic kraken]

Could anyone give me tldr on the bleed build? i feel like im hitting a wall around 3-5m dps. it feel like im just missing something. i did watch the video i just dont think i understand the rotation of it

[steel ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

apply mark > ruptures for scent stacks > CT > continue spreading bleeds to all targets

keep uptime on bleeds

keep up caustic

[little tulip]

shiv?

not standing close enough to mobs for caustic to hit

[coral ibex]

yea you shiv as normal

what

why not

oh

you are not him

[little tulip]

[coral ibex]

probably easier to just send a log

[scenic kraken]

i do that and shiv as well i just am confused because its like. 3-5 mil then i had a pull where i spiked to 13 mil and i have no idea what i did different

[little tulip]

i did notice applying extra bleeds helped overall in a pack

[coral ibex]

its a bleed build you want every target to have a rupture and CT on it

you aren't spamming envenoms into a caustic target like hybrid

[little tulip]

yeah i haven't been great to sanguine blades this week

[muted nebula]

is rupture aoe ?

[coral ibex]

it is for 12 seconds in the m+ build

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[scenic kraken]

do you have to reapply bleeds in the execute window or does it auto ramp? also so with the bleed then u should spam FON and CT if everythings bled or do you caustic there?

[coral ibex]

don't spam CT

it doesn't do much alpha damage, the damage is in the ticks and snapshotting target #

[humble verge]

you only reapply CT when its about to run out

[muted nebula]

ct ?

casutic ?

[humble verge]

crimson tempest

[muted nebula]

ah

[little tulip]

idk also using deathmark off cooldown as you do

[scenic kraken]

okay so once bleeds are up ill spam caustic. what about the bleeds once they are in execute range do i need to reapply them? or does it just ramp up because they drop to that point

[little tulip]

getting it twice in a fight versus once during a vulnerability phase idk

[tender cedar]

Vanish and reapply garrote ruptures refresh ct press shiv and sudden demise executes

Especially with deathmark but can do anyway in between deathmarks for best SD value towards the end of big packs

[coral ibex]

no, you want to stay above 150 energy

for sanguine

you dont spam envenoms into caustic as bleed

you want to be proccing sanguine on everything every tick

[scenic kraken]

oooooh maybe thats what im doing wrong then

im sending er a little too hard eh

[coral ibex]

obviously keep caustic up

but most of your damage is not caustic/envenom

tbh

[tender cedar]

Why would he be below 150 energy even spamming when in aoe with bleeds up? It like insta refreshes back to 300 energy

[coral ibex]

this is a breakdown from a 12 workshop for me on bleed build

[little tulip]

if the other dps are kinda mid it's easy to start overdoing it

you can make up for that with rupture snipes

and stuff but yeah

[scenic kraken]

what do you mean by rupture snipes?

[spice spire]

Dog what

[coral ibex]

what

[spice spire]

Where Denise

[little tulip]

rupture on dying mobs refunds energy

[spice spire]

Demise even

[coral ibex]

idk man i think i dont refresh enough

skill issue

[spice spire]

I got 200m while whispyr had 690m in a dungeon

[little tulip]

yeah i have same issue on like cinderbrew do you rupture droplets or waste a mid envenom on them for dn proc

[spice spire]

Big demise is appalled here

[coral ibex]

its bleed build rupture everything

[little tulip]

play outlaw

[tender cedar]

Yea my demise damage in a good run of a +12 is around 500-600m dmg depending on dungeon ofc

[spice spire]

So like

It’ll always be lower in a workshop

[coral ibex]

this was also a slow as fuck run

i dont think we even timed it

[spice spire]

Because your pulls aren’t that large outside of first

[little tulip]

even on i'pa for example you should rupture a droplet or two

[spice spire]

But that’s a glacial we pulled one-two groups at a time

[tender cedar]

Those pulls after first boss go nuclear for assa tho

[little tulip]

don't grief vanish and hold it for mass bleeds etc

[tender cedar]

I find I do a lot of Demise damage from those packs alone

[little tulip]

here's from an 11 cinder the other week, definitely misplayed areas but still did okay

[honest silo]

Is sudden demise still killing people in ToP duel boss?

[velvet tulip]

Level 80 never paid much attention to stuff haha. It’s a rat alt. Main Spriest but so annoying. Where’s a good guide to start? Typical wow head and veins? What about YouTube videos? Sorry if this is posted elsewhere.

[west crown]

Wowhead

Has everything you need

[velvet tulip]

Ok cool. Thanks! 🔪

[golden loom]

that got fixed

[honest silo]

awesome ty

[dawn seal]

Helo

[obsidian walrus]

I wish it didnt, way to fun to grieve guildies

[viscid spear]

Glacial?

[viscid spear]

I didn't even know it was possible until a run where they told me to just sit there if I got picked

[delicate flax]

Hi guys, for a newbie assassination rogue player. What is the best build for m+? Hybrid or bleed?

[golden loom]

bleed

[fossil falcon]

For experienced is hybrid better?

[golden loom]

no

bleed is better, and its easier

so good build 👍

[fossil falcon]

Nice, thx ❤️

[nova aspen]

hybrid takes the lead on low target cleave i believe

like 2-3

bleed wins everywhere else

[golden loom]

I mean yeah I guess but its better at that one lil niche

[little tulip]

just run bleed

make sure you take iron wire over lightweight shiv though

[nova aspen]

ironwire

[little tulip]

ask your boomkin if iron wire is good for u

[nova aspen]

i don't have a boomkin

[spice spire]

Excellent

[nova aspen]

im glad george's father approves of me

[mossy sundial]

Tell chicken to drop the sun and be quiet

[spice spire]

Amen

[scarlet orbit]

i dont know why everybody hates boomies

i mean i do it myself but still

[little tulip]

they're like 80-90% of keys above 15's this season

[plain wind]

I’m sure it’s been said before on Rik, but do we basically have no choice but stay on Rik and pray tanks bring boss close enough for spatter? Guild asking me to go to a more aoe build and I’m like this is my aoe build bro just gotta move boss more

[little tulip]

warlock, mage, and shadow priest are too hard to balance for current meta

[scarlet orbit]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[coral ibex]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[plain wind]

Haha yes thank you

I had only seen the Simpson one before this helps

[scarlet orbit]

Add dmg shouldt be a big problem with the current gear if it is really bad problem for your group maybe the last tip is available for you but no we dont do shit to barrels if they dont spawn perfekt and if they do they are no problem in the first place

[plain wind]

This is also true. Our group obliterates the barrels close to boss as is… like me stepping to a far one and getting bleeds/envenoms feels dumb

Should just be a ranged problem

Ok thanks homies

[little tulip]

the raid is very pug friendly this season for sure

[fallow canopy]

I mean if 3 spawn close and 1 far and the 1 far doesn't die it just means ranged don't have their monitors turned on

[spice spire]

Do they ever

[little tulip]

the fyrakk seed mechanic was very 50/50

[scarlet orbit]

Oh compared to amdrill yea but i feel like its less pug friendly then last saison

[little tulip]

and gallywix is kinda like everyone agreeing issue was 1 player wipes the raid was the issue

doom rules would just spawn extra adds for the tank to pick up kinda like rookery last

but for amirdrassil das a wipe

https://tenor.com/view/gamer-shotgun-smile-ready-gif-12780602

[wise whale]

Guys does vicious venoms spatter? it's nature so i assume so but not sure

[little tulip]

but yeah last season definitely rewarded 20 players parsing above a 75 more than 15 doing 75, this season it's more like as long as the average is above 75

[royal lantern]

ye

[gilded oasis]

no

[spice spire]

So real bestie

[gilded oasis]

happy friday qt

[spice spire]

Happy Friday Zar. Tell my goats I love them today

Ty

[gilded oasis]

I todl Willow, Kitten is out in her jungle

[spice spire]

God bless she deserves her time in the Sun

[viscid spear]

[scenic kraken]

this is my damage spread from priory 8. looks like i have low ct uptime maybe?

[wise whale]

thanks homie

[charred mango]

what % crit are you guys at? Swapping from Sub (stacking mostly mast/vers) so i feel like the 25% is low, fan doesnt feel great in M+ yet

[spice spire]

We’re you keeping it up on st? (You should be)

[vapid sierra]

does sin do below average boss dmg in raid

[spice spire]

No

[vapid sierra]

might just be outlaw gear then

[scenic kraken]

i actually didnt think i was low in single target but its possible. didnt get the trinket so running it back. going to try to keep it up more

[spice spire]

Gear shouldn’t be too too necessary.
Unless your running signet of priory and proccing like vers/crit

[dapper cradle]

signet copers stay losing

hoc chads stay winning

[spice spire]

You would be a fan of hoc tuah

[dapper cradle]

[vapid sierra]

im running signet and magnet

[spice spire]

Yeah what stat is signet proccing

[vapid sierra]

mastery

i farmed the mastery ring from cinderbrew

and have a few spare mastery hero track pieces i brought to 6/6

[spice spire]

Every time? Chaos can change things

[vapid sierra]

im running mastery flask

neck and bracers are vers haste crafted tho

[vapid sierra]

maybe

[spice spire]

Doesn’t tempered potion drop mastery during hold

[vapid sierra]

no idea

[dawn seal]

!coinflip

[spice spire]

Nvm it raises all stats not mastery

[dawn seal]

!flipper

!kb

[spice spire]

So when potting your stats raise by almost 3k on all except mastery

[dawn seal]

!gamble

[spice spire]

Nothing is close to it right?

What do you need bora?

[dawn seal]

I am tryin to check when to vanish or somefin

for other hero talent

[red schooner]

The trick is, to not run fatebound

[spice spire]

You either vanish for edge case or standard vanish for imo garrote iirc

[dawn seal]

there was a special rule for fatebound

where u do somethin after 1st envenom or somefin

[spice spire]

It’s still relatively the same timings as deathstalker

[runic hinge]

during cold blood

[dawn seal]

[runic hinge]

which you have macro to kb

[haughty flicker]

kb+cb>envenom>vanish>envenom

[dawn seal]

so I kb then vanish

oh

do I do it after 1st

[spice spire]

Almost positive it’s in the guide

[haughty flicker]

remember cb works on 2 envenoms for fatebound

and yes its in the wowhead guide

[dawn seal]

checkin

[golden loom]

you kinda wanna get as much good MA duration as possible while also vanishing for edge case

so u have it macrod to KB

and then u can vanish before casting the 2nd cold blooded envenom

so dm -> shiv -> kb (CB procs) -> build and cast 1st envenom -> build to 2nd envenom -> vanish envenom + improved garrote -> 2nd shiv smthin smthin boom bam

[dapper cradle]

Edge case

The only reason to play FB

[frank trench]

I wonder if my 2% haste is too low for bleed build :0

[viscid spear]

Do you have gear with negative Haste or something

[lean plover]

sim

[frank trench]

I have all crit mastery gear and one set piece that has a smidge of haste

[violet jackal]

How can you even notice if 5+ targets are bleeding?

[coral ibex]

edge case describes my tenuous relationship with sanity after sprocket prog

[violet jackal]

Should be energy saturated regardless of your haste

[frank trench]

I have a weakaura

[coral ibex]

scent stacks

if you have 20 scent stacks then 5+ targets are bleeding

[frank trench]

That tells me how many mobs have CT and how many mobs Al have ruptured

[violet jackal]

Not a actually notice they are bleeding I mean your energy

Better wording what are you experiencing to believe your haste is too low

[cerulean nest]

any mugzee tips in terms of caustic spatter and jails?

[marble hemlock]

hope people position them properly, theres nothing you can do as a player to help with it

if the indication circle around them touches the boss hitbox, youll get spatter on the adds. if it doesnt, itll be too far away. thats pmuch it.

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[marble hemlock]

basically, as long as red circle under boss and circle from mechanic touch, you get spatter

[muted nebula]

!tea

[cerulean nest]

yeah that makes sense

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[muted nebula]

i am using this and thistle tea still gets to 0

[frank trench]

I’m read a thing that says bleed build enjoys more haste on wowhead

And it never sims for me to have more haste but I have like negative haste 🙂

[violet jackal]

Do 4 dungeons and report back your feelings

[frank trench]

I did a 13 last night

Seemed k

[strange sleet]

I have almost 10k haste

[violet jackal]

3 more to go make sure to fix any rotational mistakes along the way

[frank trench]

I did dungeon slice though and dungeon slice probably a bad metric maybe

I’m just trying to min max and not sure if I should put forth effort to recraft if the sims aren’t showing it or if I shouldn’t be using dslice

I did realize I was under 50% energy too much 😦

That’s bad

[paper tapir]

In ST haste is a giga upgrade for me but in multi target it’s way more neutral

[frank trench]

Hrrm I need to test that my single target in raid has beeeeeeen awful

Which dslice wouldn’t cover

[strange sleet]

if you wanna have a better idea of what's going on just sim dungeon slice, 1 target 5 min, 5 target 5 min, 10 atrget 5 min. ADn then the same for different timers

[frank trench]

But on like vexie I’m pulling 90+

[strange sleet]

like 1:30 etc

[frank trench]

Ok! Can do that

[strange sleet]

In my case at this point the sim is asking for mastery/versa

for the bleed build

[frank trench]

Soooo wysoko how do you like decide what todo

Like look at All 5 sims and find a middle ground?

[strange sleet]

depends on what you are facing more often

[frank trench]

This is the most min max sweaty 🥵 have ever tried to be

[strange sleet]

I usually follow dungeon-slice advice more

It's not like it's gonna change much anyways

0.5% maybe

[frank trench]

Thanks 🙏

[strange sleet]

from "good" to "bad" stats

[worldly dock]

Guys is there anything to improve in m+ ? cant get over 1m dps on bosses

single target bosses

[strange sleet]

what's ur gear

[worldly dock]

660

trinkets are really bad

[strange sleet]

I mean, assa ST sucks but 1mill seems a lil bit low

[worldly dock]

only 1 target

[strange sleet]

100% uptime with bl and cd's?

I mean, you having 100& uptime on boss

and starting pull with bl and cd's

or just cd's

or just bl?

[worldly dock]

no BL

this was a 10 priory early today

[strange sleet]

can't see much there

just overall

[worldly dock]

ill try to log next one

atm farming 10's

ill log next ojnes

ones

[strange sleet]

what do you do on ST?

If no BL you are prolly not gonna do that much more

specially if no potion either

[lone lava]

Are there any sims on the new head enchant?

[strange sleet]

Idk, but it's about 2% I've heard

[lone lava]

Hmm ok

[little tulip]

idk mastery/crit build for hybrid isn't ideal for bleed

need to recover some haste pieces and sim crafted outlaw bracers for effectiveness lol

[idle leaf]

hey all, for boss fights in keys. Goal is to stay above 50% energy still right?

[strange tundra]

if u can sure

with bleed build envenom isnt strong

[strange sleet]

only for bleed build tho

[strange tundra]

so keeping up bleeds and 50% energy is good

[idle leaf]

bleed build is running double shiv or? Just diving back into sub

[strange tundra]

yes

[idle leaf]

trying to get caught up

[strange tundra]

no KB

[idle leaf]

i am not running that build.

[strange tundra]

kingsbane

switch to it

its nice

[idle leaf]

im only at 7% haste, is that okay?

[strange tundra]

yea bro

i have 8

[river vapor]

Hi all, is the bleed build simply a viable alternative to the typical m+ build or is it preferred these days? Wondering if I should try it out more or keep running the regular m+ build

[viscid spear]

Both are fine. If you're comfortable with the Hybrid build then keep using it

[neat flame]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[fossil falcon]

Does this means that haste is more relevant in bleed build?

[viscid spear]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wild surge]

what's the special thing about being void elf on mug zee?

[prisma carbon]

you can get out of the jails

[runic hinge]

you can soak and then racial out and hit boss

[warm vortex]

What's the parasol you need for the skip again

[haughty flicker]

wat

[warm vortex]

On rookery

[prisma carbon]

pretty sure all parasol toys work
i have stylish black parasol and that one works

[warm vortex]

you can skip one of the big guys with a parasol

Aight thanks cheif

[haughty flicker]

lmao thats funny af

[fast phoenix]

which details skin/bar is that youre using?

[shy creek]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lavish wing]

ffs Sudden Demise feels illegal

[viscid spear]

[strange python]

@normal mist is bae.

@normal mist for Orgrimmar president.

[viscid spear]

Went to go try this out, ran into the exact same issue Whispyr had in his video explaining the Bleed Build where SBS was keeping him in combat

[pastel apex]

When there 10+target how many rupture youndo?

[viscid spear]

Shouldn't this be brown because I only have Mark on it?

I meant purple, sorry

I get green and brown to trigger but not purple, am I missing something

[worldly dock]

there was a profile i imported but i cant remeber since i have this more then 1 year

[balmy condor]

I changed it to white cause it was getting lost in the noise

[viscid spear]

Okay, so white is normal

That's great, just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy

Well more than normal anyway

Trying it out in a dungeon now

Then what's this purple?

And why is Darkflame the most common key I s2g

[balmy condor]

Important mobs

The mob colors are from jundies

[dapper cradle]

I appreciate all the work you do for theory crafting all of these builds Whispyr , really cool of you to do for the community and a huge help. Thank you

[viscid spear]

Oh, so it isn't you

[balmy condor]

The mark color is me

The mobs are jundies

[dapper cradle]

Jundies make me feel good in my undies

[worldly dock]

would a log from a failed 11 help you?

Or any1 else here who can maybe help a bit with a log

trying to improve on my gameplay with new build

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[viscid spear]

Just finished the DFC, felt real good. Had to get used to the cast bars though

Also:

• open Vault, get Rookery key
• finish a key, get Darkflame
• finish a key, get Rookery
• finish a key, get Darkflame

[serene mason]

@balmy condor ive read your pins

but how is it possible that DS (+MA/ImpGarrote) sims also 15k higher?

[viscid spear]

Sounds like a threat

[runic hinge]

Anything is possible

[serene mason]

From now anyhting is right?

[runic hinge]

-Kevin Garnett

[balmy condor]

I don’t understand the question

How is it possible that something sims better than something else?

[serene mason]

i dont understand it also... so its fine

[spice spire]

That bit is literally in the pins

[balmy condor]

It’s just math

[subtle tundra]

cause its better?

[serene mason]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[balmy condor]

The same reason we don’t play scent of blood in raids

It’s just worse

[serene mason]

i was about to say that now Scent is also possible... but y 😦

[balmy condor]

?????

Why what

[serene mason]

im trolling

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-dance-funny-gif-4947951230493385441

[balmy condor]

Very strange

[wanton tangle]

At what mastery(and crit) % should i start to take diminishing returns into account?

[balmy condor]

Never

We have sims for that

[proud pelican]

I’ve got a return for you to diminish

[viscid spear]

Now I have to find Plater profiles for my other characters, this is nice. Have a great one for Druid

[wet roost]

do you guys have mutilate replaced with Ambush in your invis bar?

[viscid spear]

Invis bar? Do you mean Stealth?

[wet roost]

yes stealth bar sorry

[viscid spear]

I have Ambush in place of Mut on mine

[wet roost]

thanks bro, im switching from sub to assa

cba doing 0 dmg after burst 😦

[worn geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[earnest flume]

how excited should i be to get to gamble on FB on sprocket, i was so lucky as to have it sim higher for me

[golden loom]

do not play it if u wanna stay sane

[earnest flume]

surely im just Mr gambler man and itll be great

[golden loom]

u will be another victim to not proccing capstone on kill

[earnest flume]

if you do CDs right its almost guaranteed no?

[coral ibex]

no its actually literally a 50/50

opener will get you to 6

[earnest flume]

brilliant design

[golden loom]

I didnt even wanna tag u

[coral ibex]

[golden loom]

but u found the convo anyways

based

[vivid lodge]

if we have two on use trinkets signet and hoc, when do we use the second? just on cd?

[balmy condor]

Fatebound goes insanely hard, and then you don’t proc and it sucks

[balmy condor]

With Kingsbane until you get a real second trinket

[earnest flume]

Imma still give some pulls and hopefully im just him. could use amixup in raid

[hearty seal]

so
what does one do in M+ if deprived of stealth opportunities and vanish is on CD? it's not a common occurence, but it happens sometimes
do you just Garrote/Rupture a single target and hope the pack dies before you run out of energy? do you manually Rupture several targets?

I figure you'd probably want to Rupture 5 targets anyways for Scent, but it'll take like 12 seconds of setup before you actually start doing damage, so I'm not sure it's actually good

[runic hinge]

Do you mean in raid or m+

[balmy condor]

You rupture for energy

[hearty seal]

hmmm
well for purely energy purposes, three Ruptures + one Garrote is enough to keep you topped up, IIRC

since you'll be FoKing enough for all your targets to have Deadly Poison on them anyways

[runic hinge]

Yeah. But why not go for scent stacks

If the mobs are dying so fast 12 seconds is too long for you to setup then the packs don’t really matter anyways

[regal cedar]

Hello! Quick macro question, my feral main has the following macro that I use so during combat i can meld, otherwise out of combat it uses prowl:
/cast [nocombat] !Prowl
/cast [combat] Shadowmeld(Racial)
/cast [combat] Prowl

Does anyone know how to make it work for rogue, except, it would try to use meld first, but if meld's on cooldown, it uses vanish?

[hearty seal]

ngl I hate looking for the DSM target after I'm done with manual dot application
I usually have it on focus target, but sometimes it doesn't work out
(god I wish enemy-in-combat grid was a thing, FFXIV figured this out like 12 years ago, plater just doesn't work nearly as smoothly)

[normal mist]

That system would also be amazing for you to find the damn critter you're in combat with

[hearty seal]

yep

[midnight mist]

ye but if you had a grid

as a melee

it works for range but