assassination

[alpine falcon]

rly rly low mastery

[coral ibex]

unlucky double weapon craft

love yourself more

[hardy rapids]

Had to do the same for my weapons

[coral ibex]

????

literally never craft an offhand

[spice spire]

[coral ibex]

ever

just dont

use a heroic piece

it doesnt matter

[hardy rapids]

I was already full hero track

[real pike]

offhand = stat stick

[golden loom]

so craft a 675 piece?

[real pike]

it's the worst slot in the game for us

[hardy rapids]

And have one seen 1 dagger drop before

[polar crater]

Good morning, where can I find a rogue assa guide?

[real pike]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[coral ibex]

ok well you spent a spark and a gilded craft on the worst stat slot

[modest zephyr]

Newer assassination player here. In M+ I am doing great on AOE (only 610) with no tier and pulled 1.6m overall in Cinderbrew which isn’t good but I’m not oblivious. On trash I’m reaching 2-3m but single target is abysmal.

I feel completely energy starved. Any suggestions I feel like something is off. Opener is fine, then energy just starts dropping off over time and starved mid fight.

When

[hardy rapids]

That’s entirely fine

[real pike]

!evergy

[alpine falcon]

st on assa is one of the worst

[real pike]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[coral ibex]

yea sure its fine like doing anything in the game is fine

[alpine falcon]

dont worry abt st

[coral ibex]

nothing has actual stakes

however wasting a limited resource is generally worse than not wasting it

[real pike]

if you're running out of energy in aoe your bleeds are dropping off, make sure to have mobs ruptured and your main target with garotte

[coral ibex]

you would get more output return from literally any other slot

vs an offhand

[hardy rapids]

It isn’t hurting my dps severely and I’d rather have 2 675 weapons and never think about it then have a 636 weapon while everything is already 665

[coral ibex]

but why do you care about 2x 675

the offhand ilvl literally does not matter

[hardy rapids]

I mean I could’ve crafted 675 boots but my boots are already 665

[modest zephyr]

I’m good there always typically over 50% (hovering with multi dot garrote/rupt up. I use vanish as needed for the imp versions but make sure to save if needed for DM.

I run bleed build so no kingsbane so the energy bot wouldn’t apply fully I guess that’s by design though.

[coral ibex]

oh you're sending gilded into hero track pieces

ok

well then our attitudes about spending crests are entirely incompatible

gl

[hardy rapids]

I don’t mythic raid bro. I have 2 myth pieces

[coral ibex]

yup

[real pike]

you should still be using all your gilded crests to upgrade mythic pieces from vault or crafting 675 pieces (that aren't offhand)

but at the same time

enjoy the game how you like bro

[hardy rapids]

I am nowhere near my max gilded

[coral ibex]

you dont do +10 keys for myth track in the vault?

[hardy rapids]

I still have 150ish to go so that’s more than enough to upgrade any myth I currently have+ next week will increase the amount for the next price I get from vault

[hardy rapids]

I do. Not everyone was able to do 10s the first 2 weeks. I pug everything

[real pike]

you could be crafting tho

[coral ibex]

im not shaming you or anything

[real pike]

crests disappear real quick when you start crafting

[coral ibex]

im just saying you'd get more ilvl from crafting and myth vaults than 6/6 hero track

[real pike]

and we're up to what 4 sparks by now?

[hardy rapids]

Then don’t be so condescending

[coral ibex]

i didnt think i was but ok

sorry

i also pug all my vault keys

most of my myth track has been from the vault

[warm vortex]

Guys

[wild salmon]

4.5 I believe

[warm vortex]

do you have anymore clips of tanks jumping in and dying

[real pike]

don't think anyone has been tbh, we all just like to maximise our output and people here give advice in a very matter-of-fact way

[warm vortex]

cause those are super funny and i wanna get more

I already have the RLP one

[coral ibex]

https://i.redd.it/otk4cwzoqh3e1.gif

[real pike]

I have one of a tank dying to one of the bombs in flood?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZkCeexpWj0

my voice is loud soz

[inland escarp]

Fits the channel lmao, that was an assassination

[warm vortex]

Lmao moreso mean gifs cause i cba to save

also

That GB one is great

[runic inlet]

LOL

[hardy rapids]

Yeah I get that but I was just saying I also had to double craft because of unlucky drops.

[viscid spear]

[real pike]

you didn't have to do anything though, that's what we're telling you. you would have much better output if you kept all your hero gear at 4/6 and crafted a 675 with every spark you get

even if it meant keeping a dagger from last season until one dropped from a key

but you are where you are now, and you should enjoy the game how you like to

[coral ibex]

yea like a 675 in any other slot would increase your ilvl by the same amount but give you a much larger stat allocation

just more for the same price

and your OH is just a stat stick, so

[hardy rapids]

I now know not to do it but I would’ve preferred a much less rude answer. Acting as if it was common knowledge

[coral ibex]

i think if you're a regular poster in this discord, you'd be more exposed to the "dont craft an offhand" discourse but that's fair, didn't mean to be rude

[golden loom]

its also not very intuative that offhand is useless

[hollow saddle]

Yeah think thats probably it. If u reached sofar that you find external programs to get information on the game. Kinda expect you to know how crest works

[golden loom]

When was it even changed so that offhand is piss

[real pike]

yea there's a lot of ways to piss resources in this game that are time gated, where it's not very clear what the best thing to do is

[real pike]

when melee stopped being 35% of our damage

[coral ibex]

white swings dont mean shit anymore

[golden loom]

ye I guess

[spice spire]

Even then it wasn’t great

[golden loom]

well my frame of reference is a game where they actually matter and one where they dont matter at all

[coral ibex]

i mean even in wrath it wasn't really that big of a deal to have a high ilvl offhand, you just needed a fast one to apply deadly poison faster

[real pike]

I still raid on a wrath pserver on my offdays and speed matters there

[coral ibex]

(wrath my beloved...)

[real pike]

the reason my name on here is what it is

[golden loom]

the vanilla Hero Class (warrior) gets to ignore the dual wield miss penalty when heroic strike/cleave are que'd so offhand cranks

and rogue in classic is like 80% white hits of damage so offhand pumps

[viscid spear]

Oh, I thought you were a fan of Communist Bats

[charred mango]

Hey guys, Im swapping to assa from sub, got a question. I see that Assa is ahead of Sub generally, but when Im simming them both sub still comes out on top (2.3m as sub vs 2.2 assa). If Ive been stacking vers/mastery for sub and have 2% haste, is that likely the reason why assa sims behind?

[coral ibex]

dont compare sims between specs

they're not made to be compared

[real pike]

the opposite, I'm always missing them when I take shots

[warm vortex]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[viscid spear]

Tank doesn't keep Mug'Zee between the Goon Tombs
RIP Spatter damage

[crystal vault]

how much you guys sim for

[midnight atlas]

dslice 3 mil with shit gear. havent done many st sims

[rotund oak]

hello fellow hunter

how is life

lul

[warm vortex]

Good

timed my last 13 earleir

[jaunty sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6vg5tsYckGVYGVjxmUjdMD

[coral ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tS8t4jTJNCdAvpP2BTs5fp

[rotund oak]

im working on my hunter a bit,652 and climbing,doing 8-9s

crafted a POW 2 and im pumping

[strong wigeon]

what we doing with vanish on bleed builds, just use if improved garrotes run out on a pack or something in particular?

[warm vortex]

Peak mm or BM

I'd ask if surv but

yknow

gun

[rotund oak]

yup,im trying BM for now but im interested in MM as well

BM fukin pumps

idk what ppl are saying

[warm vortex]

I mean

It does

But from what i've seen, Surv and mm just do more damage

The best thing about BM imo is the ST

very good ST in single target and if you use the bear right you got some big dick dps too

[rotund oak]

MM needs gear,BM stronger if u are naked

yup ST BM is golden

[fathom radish]

BM stronger if you wanna turn your brain off also.

[spice spire]

What if you never turn your brain on

[fathom radish]

Ret main

[rotund oak]

xd

[spice spire]

[ebon glen]

I might be blind, don't see it in guide. Is there at target crit/haste/mast/vers to aim for with bleed build in particular? I'm swapping over from sub to assa and not sure if it's worth recrafting some of my vers/mast gear.

[sly ocean]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[keen spruce]

tldr : no

[ebon glen]

Perfect, thank you! I kept finding really vague recommendations, none made it easy for my smooth brain to understand like this did. ❤️

[static glacier]

Whatever sims best, ideally if you’re using priory it gives mastery

[jaunty sky]

for my char it's been mastery over everything else for M+ bleed

21k and it's still an upgrade over most non mastery pieces

[ebon glen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fH2xq8mbyBNJeXEJngaz5a

Just a quick sim, but seems reasonable. Pulled 3.89 last priory I did and have since changed a hero talent and piece of gear or 2.

[mystic terrace]

Verse also sims very high for bleed in m+.

[royal lantern]

are you using signet

[jaunty sky]

yeah

[royal lantern]

well, thats your answer then

cus with signet it needs mastery as highest stat always

[jaunty sky]

i got 20k mastery and next highest is 6 or 7k

[ebon glen]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[jaunty sky]

i dont think i'm in any danger to not get mastery

[royal lantern]

you dont want to get crit from priory trinket because pacemaker gives you crit+flask increases crit

• like

if you use pacemaker

crit goes down by default aswell

cus pacemaker gives a big chunk crit

[lilac pumice]

Hello guys, is it just personnal preference when it comes to choosing talents between the arterial precision build or the Kingsbane/DT blades ? Or it depends on the dungeon or something else ?

[royal lantern]

bleed build is more or less the best choice everywhere rn

[lilac pumice]

ok thanks

[hidden bay]

Time to play it in raid

[steep onyx]

quick question, did i mess up 60 gilded crests by forging my 2nd eversong dagger?

[hidden bay]

Yes

[steep onyx]

yikes

[lilac pumice]

And I also had a pratical question for mm+. DWhen I fight big pulls (>10 ennemies), do I try to garrote/rupture everyone, or I just need to have 5 Ruptures for Scent of blood and then do my damages through caustic splatter ?

[royal lantern]

yes, really bigtime

[hidden bay]

Maybe you can tell yourself it’s ok if you have no other items

[royal lantern]

with bleed build you spread more bleeds, unless its stuuff that dies in seconds so its not worth it

[steep onyx]

qould you explain why? (saw the other sims and saw 665 daggers)

[hidden bay]

Just not worth it since it’s offhand

[gusty mirage]

offhand ilvl doesn't matter as much

all you're really doing is getting more stats and slightly more OH damage

[steep onyx]

oh

[gusty mirage]

but it's not necessarily a bad choice

[steep onyx]

thanks!

[gusty mirage]

you're still getting agi + stam + some damage, plus we're at a point where you can always farm more gilded and upgrade hero track stuff to max

it'd be more disastrous for player progression super early in the season when you're giga limited on crests

[steep onyx]

oh yeah,

i understand

[gusty mirage]

but even then, you're still upgrading gear so you're doing more damage either way. It's just not the most efficient use ya know

[royal lantern]

people craft a mainhand dagger first cus we use ascension as embelishment+mainhand is the biggest possible upgrade

if a mythic dagger drops, that goes into the mainhand when its max ilvl and the crafted dagger goes into offhand

because offhand is the LEAST important slot on rogue, it does nothing really

[floral sedge]

Yo guys, which spec are the most popular for mythic +? I see alot of variations on Wowhead, cant really decide

[steep onyx]

ahh yerah, i dont raid all that much

like the solo content so yeah

[royal lantern]

probs a mixture of assa and outlaw rn?

[gusty mirage]

out of the rogue specs? what tryan said a mix of assa/outlaw

[royal lantern]

rogue is a class where many people tend to play 1 spec mainly tbh

[gusty mirage]

sub cranks too but it's much more involved

i.e. you have to use your brain and we're unga bunga melee

[floral sedge]

I would say just a Assa build, thats what Im looking for atleast 😄

In other words, im Looking for the Meta assa build for dungeons 🙏🤗

[mystic terrace]

Both the hybrid and bleed builds are viable for Assa. There’s people playing both at a high level.

[floral sedge]

Probaly gonna try em both out, and see what falls for My liking I guess

I tried to sim the two specs at raidbots, and that difference there seems super wierd how big it is.

[coral ibex]

you can't compare sims for different specs

they're not made to be compared like that

[cloud basin]

you can cleave both goons on mugzee if positioned correctly right?

[coral ibex]

sims are for determining your best items/talents

[scarlet orbit]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[floral sedge]

Sorry, I keep calling talents for spec.

[mystic terrace]

Bleed build sims won’t take Sudden Demise into account, which ends being 7-10% of your overall damage. Hard to compare it hybrid with just sims.

[scarlet orbit]

Yes you can but it depens on your group to place the boss right

[cloud basin]

would anyone happen to have a graphic to show gaol and mugzee positioning for that?

[ebon glen]

I'm down to 3% haste swapping from a haste/mast to a crit/mast neck, think that's TOO low? Re-crafting few pieces and gonna run ascension instead of 2x focusing lens. so could swap to haste on a piece of gear 2 as well.

[coral ibex]

as tight as you can get them without overlap

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/noahnoah-gif-15569947813902812404

[royal lantern]

leaked screenshots of quakes butt?

[stuck monolith]

Tried the bleed build in a +12 FLOOD and it’s really fun!

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-confused-jimmy-butler-confused-eye-squint-gif-12144635464811342257

yea bleed build owns, phone pictures of monitors should be illegal in 2025

[stuck monolith]

Cba with paint

[coral ibex]

i think win+shift+s snips directly to clipboard

[normal mist]

^

[coral ibex]

i'm a sharex stan personally

[normal mist]

with W12, simply pressing printscreen lets you choose the area and if you want an image or a record

[stuck monolith]

Oh wow i didn’t know that lol. Thx 🙏

[coral ibex]

go forth with knowledge king

[stuck monolith]

🤣🤣

[coral ibex]

dude sweet demo of the tech

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

its so easy even @haughty flicker can do it

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/valtteri-cat-valtteri-cat-cat-valtteri-booty-gif-18965648

[spice spire]

?

[mystic terrace]

First pull of a 12 Brew w an Aug Evoker. Sudden Demise might be favorite talent in the game lol

[royal lantern]

what

[austere willow]

is it just me but bleed build goes crazy on mobs but dookie on st bosses lol

[graceful widget]

Do we use Instant or Deadly poison with Bleed build?

[spice spire]

Deadly

[graceful widget]

ty

[mystic terrace]

I think with Blindside and the recent buffs to ambush it actually pulls ahead in ST over the hybrid build. But they’re both dookie compared to other classes

[austere willow]

yea we either get heavy st or heavy aoe no in between

[balmy condor]

To be fair, outside of theatre there isn’t really a meta spec that blasts single target all that much

M+ is and always will be a vast majority aoe

So given the options of being able to do great aoe but shit st, or the opposite

Great aoe is by far the better evil

[hidden bay]

you are great

[balmy condor]

I’m aoe?

[normal mist]

I've mastered rogue

[balmy condor]

You’re calling me fat?

[normal mist]

(thats random gear btw, but i do have a LOT of mastery)

[keen spruce]

3-4 bosses at like 3-4 minutes each. You might save 15-20 seconds by having one good ST spec that isn’t completely griefing your aoe. And that’s being generous. If you have enough aoe to combine and cut pulls then you can easily cut multiple minutes

[low thicket]

My what a long mastery spike you have

[normal mist]

xDDD

[keen spruce]

Math brought to you by drawing with my finger on my knee at the gym

[hearty seal]

ngl I've tried some ST-focused setups for ToP with only token AoE talents, and didn't really feel much better off compared to the default bleed build

might be bad builds still, but I'm not sure if there is even a good ToP-specific build overall

[low thicket]

Bleed build everything 🙂

[keen spruce]

That’s cuz you’re trading 2-3% aoe for 2-3% single target and you’re just never going to notice any difference from normal variance in a dungeon

[spice spire]

Calling the ass fat

[keen spruce]

Unless there are specific priority mobs / bosses that require enough ST to beat an overlap or to kill it before group defensives run out

[low thicket]

Do we still murder our team in the ToP duel? I stopped fighting because sudden demise be crazy and fucking things up.

[keen spruce]

U might as well just go for dmg

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/goma-goma-and-peach-kiss-love-blush-gif-3655002727273748318

[hearty seal]

I killed a warlock once

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-it-goes-without-saying-gif-12669775144079688963

[hearty seal]

fatal intent went BRRR

[subtle tundra]

meow

[viscid spear]

Let's just say if someone used Killing Spree on you in an add-heavy room, every hit would strike you

Also your Caustic Spatter range encompasses the entire Cauldron of Carnage arena

[subtle tundra]

lets just say my garrote from stealth applies to you 3 times

[hidden bay]

maybe only one part of you

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

Rupturing you gives me full stacks of scent

[spice spire]

Big sniffa

[bleak sun]

What setup are you using to Sim m+ run bois ?

[keen spruce]

[hidden bay]

15 targets 20 seconds

[bleak sun]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hDEYRqMEA6iZHf2Fenr3aX

[brisk forge]

Eh

[bleak sun]

Dont look trinket

[coral ibex]

hectic add cleave

[brisk forge]

Just do dng som

[coral ibex]

lmao

[brisk forge]

Sim

[spice spire]

Veteran pace

[keen spruce]

Use dungeon slice to sim m+

[spice spire]

[shy axle]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/vexie-and-the-geargrinders?difficulty=heroic is the dm on pull and at min 1.xx a bug or how did they do it

[keen spruce]

Bug or modified log or something

[subtle tundra]

paladin buff

[keen spruce]

[brisk forge]

Well that dude Herp was just a moron and cunfused him

[bleak sun]

I did few floodgate but its a nop

[subtle tundra]

they didnt kb

[keen spruce]

Pala buff wouldn’t take a full minute off

[spice spire]

Ye that’s a bugged log

It’s every minute on the minute

[ashen urchin]

it also has only 5 people in the log

[brave comet]

so if i get ball during cooldowns on stix, should i just believe im not gonna get parses?

[subtle tundra]

oh i didnt see that one

i saw some other one

[keen spruce]

If you get any mechanic on any fight during CDs u can say goodbye to your parses

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

or maybe i didnt,im on phone so its janky

[craggy monolith]

Whats the sim we use bois and gyals? Dungeon slice for M+?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[craggy monolith]

bunch of kids telling me its no longer being developed. Is that fake news?

[shy heron]

Rogue dungeonslice is fine

Wowanalyzer is no good though

[normal mist]

Thats really a Maldade what they are doing

shame on them

[obsidian walrus]

M+ question for add packs. Runing bleed build do I just spread rupture and garotte to 5 mobs via indiscriminate carnage then just maintain that count when they get close to dropping, maybe rupture some mobs close to death for sudden demise

or do you spread bleeds to as many as possible

[normal mist]

ruptures - 5
Garrotes - go nuts

[obsidian walrus]

and the 5 ruptures is for the agi bump and energy regen right

[normal mist]

for scent of blood yeah

[keen spruce]

It’s maintained on a spec by spec basis. So that might be true for what they play but Assas is kept up to date with dungeon slice

[keen spruce]

Blood sniffa

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/doitfartdoitstankdoitsquirt-do-it-fart-stank-gif-8316259521989127806

[obsidian walrus]

and then its back to similar rotation as last tier with FoK on large groups and the hero proc and maintaining caustic spatter

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor i want either red or green name

[obsidian walrus]

i just started from sub. Sadly already beating my sub M+ numbers by a good amount on most

[hidden bay]

[keen spruce]

Basically yeah

[obsidian walrus]

alright so fundametnals then i have a good grasp now itll be practicing and tweaking

[keen spruce]

Spread bleeds, ct the pack, pick big guy to spatter on, cd the big guy, build with fok but maintain spatter

[obsidian walrus]

we still maintian CT on single target for boss fights

[keen spruce]

Refresh 5 ruptures if pack lives forever and they’ll survive for a decent amount of the duration

[balmy condor]

Aren’t you already red name

[keen spruce]

Your name already red

[hidden bay]

[wide gorge]

do you know how to remove these talking head by any chance? when bosses are talking it becomes difficult to track my bleed and poison for few seconds...

[keen spruce]

Search speech bubbles

In settings

I think that’s what it was called

And just disable all

[brave comet]

why does my kingsbane sometimes go in CD even though it doesnt activate the actual skill?

[normal mist]

parry?

[brave comet]

is it because of lust?

it only seems to happen in the beginning

[polar sleet]

parried

[normal mist]

are you 99% of the time behind the boss?

[coral ibex]

mugzee is called verr'minh in french...

[static glacier]

im 99% behind of boss* bc of lust?!?

[coral ibex]

[hidden bay]

mugzee has 2 heads, double parry chance

everyone knows that

[timid vigil]

[keen spruce]

Bosses have notorious parry hips

Gotta really get up in their buns

[pure moth]

Oh my

[keen spruce]

[pure moth]

If its not quake. It's shmeep's making comments

[keen spruce]

I’m just giving helpful tips

[spice spire]

Dog

What am I catching strays

[subtle kiln]

Dog

You bring it on yourself

[dapper cradle]

it's dawg*

[spice spire]

I’m not even here

[subtle kiln]

you are

Always here

[pure moth]

Am I wrong though...

[topaz hare]

for iron wire what are u guys dropping?

[spice spire]

Yes

Im a normal person

[spice surge]

Second shiv is usually the recommended point to drop

[spice surge]

With a hint of hornyposting on main

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-lying-liar-cap-blue-cap-gif-27476522

[spice spire]

I’d never

[brave comet]

when this thing hits me faint isnt enough

what should i do?

[coral ibex]

cloak the end of it

call for an external

i dont think feint will affect that damage without elusiveness btw

it isn't an aoe

[royal lantern]

lets be real

thats really hard to tell sometimes

[coral ibex]

i mean

[royal lantern]

i dont even know if feint works for the fire circles

[coral ibex]

this mech is when the pylon zaps you for 8s

it does

im pretty sure you asked me that and i showed you it working from a log

[keen spruce]

Works for everything if u play elus

[royal lantern]

im not raiding naked

[coral ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9NAPyLhDpxVzfWrX?fight=44&type=damage-taken&source=299&ability=1218706&view=events

[keen spruce]

Coward

[coral ibex]

pretty sure only cloak works

based on this log

i’m still feinting and using evasion bc we have too many melee and i’m always in fire

[red schooner]

Showed the other rogue in my guild bleed build, they are not a convert. I TRIED.

[spice surge]

Smh my head

[red schooner]

Its fine hybrid also works

[lucid rune]

shiv or kingsbane first in opener?

[wary light]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[red schooner]

Which build? Raid single target?

If so deathmark, shiv, kingsbane

then reshiv at 8 seconds

[alpine latch]

8s into the fight? Or 8s left on a CD? or what?

[red schooner]

8s left on the kingsbane

[alpine latch]

ah ok

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor if you play with MA+imp garrote in raids, we use CtW again, and we do the "use FoK to get the last CP for a DN envenom" move, right?

[red schooner]

Just so you have shiv running through the full kingsbane duration on opener

[alpine latch]

I've got to really dig into the wowhead guide tonight .. I think I'm caught up now

And I can actually swap over and learn in 7s

[static glacier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dwhLb3VGAtYg4fnX?fight=18&type=damage-done&source=88&comparesearchplayer=88&comparesearch=2.10.2.28 any tips? first really far bandit pull

[broken chasm]

does anyone have WA that shows me that I don't have feint like tomelvis?

[runic hinge]

who

[spice surge]

Zac

Aka french voldemort

[subtle kiln]

like benzztop

[coral ibex]

like this?

!WA:2!1rvZoYnrq4mAoGKfkKmcwbbqA0IuacsrjeXcrOCy9iBYIMSZGTx2ax802Dz7My3DRUBV7o7XrCiNNhH5gsOCyEeYtG1iEcwXtW(eq12tw(rS(IRQ66NV6RQU75pOAaDa9LFQsuBkzCqn5OOXhCOxqQOuO(((4N8lOmTSKmpcoZeNjuvetSm2WQGy6CoPILgBkuGUqusNVrxqOIt)PjzzAW8r3ynHNwiutfmUjzK3HrEbYHxFc706jVvAT2iQSECKKsmqaCcWnxqQrRedl9yg1u4UpQQiPgMGR3lqBikJtsgJZ0foU4pJZcJILNdk9nVRAR4lFVL1Ai0qsFHE2AumoTGOYb9Sn5asbS0WcXPt4xOB)nsG9L4uEa2QG2jr3g4GhSulHYYdrJ)55iE7srSqckccQDFYtuBTn4bx0fZK)(SlXY6DgI8qBsoGo71KAfPnJmQ(oUp8X7TxJJ8dEtXhovjYrowp8ZAJ4ZL32c8)fENDHUoPLMMQGm2zbHt9gpEJ1VRG6Sf6UcQDCRr(jXoha1vrgwNHrUoE0(HrXHr7he5AMlHG2OS0wSb57xmBffsqxJWZup1B8u)JgVSMVLGDK32otobI60FMGc)(nK7E9J9kbngPgyM8UxVtLqojDECwPqOkwQHYSUTk3jrrtEMBMGBK3YxXoF4putOy6idJIwHDwaKBxqUZon3BdQMGnqoUWZPULcc1pXqkXwFNGQ6sdZXf710DA(wNG0sIwBLC1SZbRWcBrcrLpE7E(Z72Z7Vs1wdlF4AqORoR7GEljCMDHvW3R5M(Vgi2npfWZnfVvZ9C5coSHIJERhXwQwPHubNQxyD1MVgF3kcJ734Hb0438DnpT5a8)78FTi)W)xURtiWsHu5NC90RubPmncJ(RSaG1EPYzXPcf9yfrU44Tcj4PzSCh1VGxrzzZDh75hTYispbXogZ737vV7Um6cUyygGZNn4Dw8fGjYUeUotH7HihGZN(x296GV1KTxtchf45DOA(w27lRz01jrF9Jy8FU8rm31)d4V6nfWXzD3Wyu7Bw961R)kCjgOTVr8RV9AgVRtX67CjgaO4KYFSdT)2aDYxD)h(47)ndo5pE(Fn

just whipped it up for ya

[fallow canopy]

It does scaling dmg you can cloak the last 5 secs and basically does nothing

[rare jackal]

anyone got a lingering darkness weakaura?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fallow canopy]

I believe whispyr has it on his pack

[loud hawk]

when talented one 1 shiv the opener is
Deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane ?

[spice surge]

No, last 8s of kingsbane

[loud hawk]

ty

[blissful pumice]

is the ST with the bleed build rly so bad? I went into mud Face with pot and full cds in a +14 and i Think i played it right but cant get over 1,5 m dps xD

not like i would do more with the hybrid build but just askin

[oak sparrow]

Equal is what I heard

Bleed or hybrid

[brave comet]

it really isnt great

but its not so bad

[strange sleet]

If I already have a Writhing Armor Banding embellishment equipped (with another Ascension embellishment) and then I craft a second item with Writhing Armor Banding, can I equip it or am I forced to recraft one of the two?

[hidden bay]

can only wear 2 embelishments

you would need to recraft

[strange sleet]

F

ty

[blissful pumice]

y but how can it be 1,5 if i have legit all up and pot xD

i manage the dots and I am above 50% energy

feels ass

[strange sleet]

Honestly ST is just bad

almost depressing

[blissful pumice]

y and i swaped from sub to assa again so maybe thats why it feels dogshit to me

[strange sleet]

no, it's actually pretty dogshit

[brave comet]

thats how it is, youre playing a spec that is slamming damage all the time without the need of CDs

so it kinda comes with sacrifices

[static glacier]

if st wasn't bad we'd be broken

[strange sleet]

I mean... I don't know

[blissful pumice]

y but i like it balances maybe less aoe and mor st

[strange sleet]

nono

[blissful pumice]

a spec feels bad if u deal no ST in my opinion

[strange sleet]

give us party buff

or something like that

then we are balanced

[blissful pumice]

y or cr or some shit

fk shroud xD

[strange sleet]

we bring pretty much nothing to the table tbf

just dmg

[blissful pumice]

thats why you can only play ur own key

[brave comet]

^

[strange sleet]

yes

[brave comet]

we need lust

[blissful pumice]

why would u take a rouge if u can take UH, Owl or shami, Mage xD

[brave comet]

and 3% agility

and maybe more

[strange sleet]

I'm always trying to get sham/warr/monk/druid

and then a hunter

to have 1 ranged

but yeah I do my groups based on party buffs tbh

way bigger chance of succes

[spice surge]

The thing that ruffles my feathers the most is that theyve put invis detection on like 99% of all the mobs

So you cant skip with shroud

But veng with meld can still skip

So its just more annoying to skip

And shroud is useless

[strange sleet]

yeah

because of broken soothe btw

[royal lantern]

dont forget mind soothe

[static glacier]

you can spec into more st if you really want

[royal lantern]

its kinda funny how during DF, mind soothe just became shroud but better lol

[muted sparrow]

hey! question for assassination in m+
When ambushing a target in a big group, at the start of the pull, is it more important to spread your bleeds first or make sure to apply a caustic spatter and then get to spreading bleeds?

[strange sleet]

with bleed build, bleed first

unless you mouseover all your bleeds while still hitting your main target

then I'm not sure

[muted sparrow]

I'm not sure, I think I'm running a pretty standard build:
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DAOFVVFRRBUVQmJBQCQRNVUVVFUYEQFKFUBEEFVVUCEA

unless this is what you consider a bleed build

no internal bleeding, I went for caustic spatter instead

[strange sleet]

that's hybrid

I think you still bleed. Just make sure you have caustic b4 you use kingbane

or start envenoming

I'd recommend you to play bleeds tho. It's way more forgiving, flexible and it doesn't need as much uptime on the mobs as hybrid

[desert crest]

Look under the rotation page there is a aoe opener sequence

[strange sleet]

also if you are going to play in raid at all, you are already gonna play Kingsbane so it's a nice change

[muted sparrow]

Alright thanks man!

[balmy condor]

Always bleeds first

Bleeds -> caustic -> cooldowns -> envenom spam

Every build every situation, all the time forever

That’s the way the spec works

[sharp viper]

but what if... gets smacked in the face by whispyr

[low thicket]

What if you don't spec into deadly poison at all 🙃

[blissful storm]

why in pure ST fights top loggers are using shivs in between KB windows instead of saving and having 2 shivs during KB?

[mighty vine]

Darkest Night

[blissful storm]

and darkest night finisher with shiv is better than just shiv with KB?

[worn marsh]

darkest night + lingering darkness*

[mighty vine]

Yeah KB is fairly weak, that one envenom basically does the same amount of damage as your whole kingsbane window

[desert crest]

U still have 1 shiv left for the most important part of KB

And darkest night envenom with lingering buff is very big dmg

[gray sleet]

When playing KB do you guys prefer to save both charges for KB after DM? Or you just send the first one ASAP for the nature damage buff?

[blissful storm]

yeah I assume it is also the fact that tempered potion adn lust is still up

[dapper halo]

rupture sniping, how does it exactly work

you gotta put 7pt rupture to something that has less than 35% health?

[runic hinge]

No

You’re putting a rupture on something that will live for somewhere around 8 seconds for energy regen and a surge of energy when it dies

It does not have to be a 7 combo point rupture

[dapper halo]

it can be 1 to 7pt rupture, yes?

[runic hinge]

I just build off of boss and send what I get

[coral ibex]

i dont think the time it lives matters anymore

bc you get a lot more energy than was expected

[ancient pendant]

how much %dmg inc if we >150 energy in ST fight in M+?

[royal lantern]

ye

just any

[royal lantern]

idk, was like 0,4% iirc

[dapper halo]

aslong as health below 35%

thats simple enough

[ancient pendant]

is it really worth playing around this

or just spam buttons

[hidden bay]

if you got the opportunity and got darkest night ready in lingering darkness you just send it

[ancient pendant]

oh

forgot to tell that i'm talking about bleed build

[balmy condor]

Well it’s more damage so

What does it mean to be “worth playing around”

[dapper halo]

basically is it "big enough bonus dps"

[balmy condor]

yes

what does that mean

[hidden bay]

no. we do it cuz we cant stand having something up

[agile wedge]

team i have the problem that tanks move very weird on bandit mythic so sometimes my kb gets parried, i also dont wanna bait the coins wrong so any tips what i can do here

its super anoying and keeps happening frequently

[runic hinge]

Just don’t get parried

[runic basin]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[hidden bay]

yea, dont get parried bro

sadly you cant do anything

either you bait them bad and let the offtank shoot the coin if the offtank is assigned to that in case you have that kind of coins

or you delay and walk behind boss

[agile wedge]

😦

[hidden bay]

but thats pretty bad

[scarlet orbit]

do you guys have a second rogue?

if yes gaslight him to play sub so no one gets parried

[narrow mauve]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[agile wedge]

i would be the sub one then 😛 but no unfortunately not

[solar wyvern]

Tell your tanks to move better unironically

But dont all of your kingsbanes lineup to where that shouldn't be happening?

I don't think i was parried once in all of oab prog

[narrow mauve]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[tall atlas]

how are you guys dealing with signet proccing crit

[upper wraith]

House of cards

[tall atlas]

ffs

[scarlet orbit]

We normaly want it to proc mastery but in the end just play whatever gear you have access to and sims the highest maybe look if recrafting some items sims bietter

[tall atlas]

ive just been using tea before hitting signet

its been kinda working

[scarlet orbit]

im not sure if thats worth it

[grand trail]

idk whats up but i have so much of dmg variance in p1 of mugzee

[hidden bay]

yes, either you hit both adds with spatter or only one

sometimes its iffy if tank moves weird

had to move sometimes into the boss to hit both but then the boss would parry

make sure you rupture immune adds if you arent yet for energy regen

but all that prolly doesnt matter since you have to dmg stop before intermission if everyone is alive

before that i wouldve sent another kingsbane but with latest raidbuff and nerfs from the boss its kinda a skip that kb

[runic hinge]

Mastery flask

[low thicket]

Force your windsinger gem to be mastery if it isn't already. When I was close in stats and risked signet giving crit I realised my gem was giving me crit. I also changed a couple chants/gems.

[hidden bay]

re-equip circlet if chaos flask hits mastery

[low thicket]

basically

[lucid rune]

Does bleed rogue still take caustic normally?

[tall atlas]

how can i see which stat its giving

[low thicket]

the gem only checks what stat is the highest on login or on equip. So you can unequip it, make sure mastery is your highest stat and then equip it.

Just have to look at your before and after to see what it was giving you.

[dapper halo]

man combat loses to assa so badly

[buoyant herald]

Yes

[tall atlas]

ty

also mastery flask was a huge shout ty lads

[buoyant herald]

FYI mastery flask makes your tempered pot not give mastery

[low thicket]

Not ideal

[strange tundra]

ppl use mastery flask?

[buoyant herald]

You shouldn’t

[strange tundra]

i use tempred

[buoyant herald]

You mean alc chaos

[strange tundra]

oh yeah my bad

flask not potion

[buoyant herald]

I mean in a pinch you could use mastery flask to force circes gem to mastery but there’s cheaper ways

[velvet ridge]

is there mastery drop off

a thing as too much mastery?

[grand trail]

yeah i feel it, idk what to really do about it tho. atleast i play velf so never in cage

[buoyant herald]

All stats get the DR levels

I wouldn’t look at it as “too much mastery”, it’s more that sometimes top gear sims will recommend gear with other stats instead

[buoyant herald]

Thats probably at the point where other stats will be performing better lol

Bro what is going on here how do you have 32k mastery and what must be about 16k crit

This must be a mid combat snapshot with procs etc

[strange tundra]

i just pressed signet+ tea

and tempered potion i think

but screwed up the order

[buoyant herald]

Yeah looks like pot in there too because that haste and vers isn’t bad either

[strange tundra]

should be higher than 102%

if i press tea + signet only i get 104%

this is idle stats still -10% penalty

[buoyant herald]

Ah yep

I’ve got a bit less mastery and crit and a bit more haste and vers, sims wanted me to use some of my outlaw pieces

[strange tundra]

i just went for like 8-10% haste

rest crit mast

[buoyant herald]

I like to optimise for fun and I have the gold to tweak but

[strange tundra]

109% if all used correctly

[buoyant herald]

I do have to remind myself that it doesn’t mean shit if I play badly lol

[strange tundra]

I mean its like whatever 0.1% diofference

[wild horizon]

Hi, with shiv empowered combo points, with deathstalker active, when you are at 6 combo points, do you actually envenom knowing mark will be consumed by the empowered CP or do you mutilate once more to get to 7 ?

[tawdry root]

I think in general people like to ignore the empowered CPs and do the rotation normally since the difference is small

But someone smarter than me confirm

[static glacier]

yes that's true

[muted nebula]

Guys i just can’t get it the stamina part red guides watched videos they say regain stamina by keeping rupture and garrot up i do this i start the fight with good amount of dps then after half of the fight my stamina goes like i cant even use 1 skill every 7 seconds and i go from top dps to even lower than tank

[grand trail]

if i have epowered i dont mind finish -1

[static glacier]

Im fairly sure on a situation by situation basis you could cook tiny optimisations but on a macro level there's no gain to be had from deviating from regular finisher rules

for me I like to send an env early if next env is going to be DN empowered and if i built once more for this env i'd consume amp and dn wouldn't have amp

I don't think its a gain but dopamine from big numbers is nice

[runic hinge]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[normal mist]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[normal mist]

fuck

[runic hinge]

Smoked

[normal mist]

gg

[runic hinge]

Not even close

[normal mist]

10 days apart

[thorn thorn]

Close but no cigar

[runic terrace]

!fatebound

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[muted nebula]

So mid fight i cant use thistle because he automatically drank all !

So I can’t use before kingsbane

[runic terrace]

hmmm... So for the fatebound macro to use Cold Blood with KB, is it
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

and then press it twice?

[rancid wind]

On Mythic Bandit, Vanish comes up for the set of little bomb adds. Does anyone know if vanish before they spawn means I won’t get fixated?

[hidden bay]

once

its a sequence

[normal mist]

use this

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[normal mist]

that way youll have a GUARANTEED tea for every KB

[muted nebula]

Ty ❤️ i will try this

So i just use as normal shiv and then it will save the other thistle automatically?

[normal mist]

if you follow the rotation from the guide, youll always have it

and just use that macro with shiv

[viscid spear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[viscid spear]

What's the addon command again

[strange tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Y2CcCZc8sQMPX3RPotGcb

Worth the 6k gold

turns out it was worth because it made my mastery from 68 to 69%

perfect number

[rancid wind]

Does Cheat Death have a maximum damage you can take before you die anyway? My brain says it’s like 300% hp, but that could be entirely made up

[drifting cloud]

it does yeah

might even be lower than 300% but its around there

frostshatter boots on mugzee 1shots threw cheat

[rancid wind]

Ty

Is there a way for Rogue to get out of the cages on Mugzee? I haven’t noticed Step working before the walls break

[earnest remnant]

velf

or according to Kieron beans on toast man, step does work

but he never sent me the clip

@final star

[drifting cloud]

im assuming its same timing as grip or leap

so not really worth gambling a wipe on it

[red schooner]

Is it normal for sudden demise to not show up on dungeonslice sims or am I just being blind?

I feel like I'm being blind

[drifting cloud]

its not simmed

[red schooner]

Ah, okie dokie!

I thought I was going crazy for a moment

[earnest remnant]

timing is waaaaay tighter

grip is at 0.3 sec on the cage landing

step is closer to 0

or so ive been led to believe

i still dont trust it tho

[drifting cloud]

is it 0.3? feels like I got gripped later than that and it didnt work

[red schooner]

I was doing some hybrid v bleed test in dungeonslice just out of curiosity and they both came out the same, the lack of demise in the full html report makes sense.

[gray sleet]

@balmy condor say you are proud of me, i just fucking melted the second spider from WS, it was at 30% then it was no more. On a 12, Demise did 21M. I still don't know how to get thsoe beefy DEmises.

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Ez pz

Prio damage god

[gray sleet]

How do you build the beefy Demises?

[indigo cradle]

Can we find bleed builders already on Warcraftlogs? I mean when filtering for high keys

[hardy rapids]

Give me a kiss and I'll tell you

[runic hinge]

Refresh your bleeds when the mob is low and maybe save dm for execute

Not maybe

[agile locust]

When simming for raid, do most people just sim for single target and run that gear for all bosses or do people use cleave add or hectic add cleave in raidbots as 7/8 fights are cleave?

[runic hinge]

Just sim for ST

[agile locust]

Ok cool thanks

[warm vortex]

Just remember sims ain’t always accurate to performance

This raid ain’t 8 5 min encounters with 100% uptime

[keen spruce]

[strange sleet]

nice tank monk buffs. I'm getting more monks in my q's today

that's 3% dmg for free

let's go

or 5

who knows at this point

[runic hinge]

[normal mist]

Hello guys i'm back

one shotted hc raid, we had 2 pulls on gally

[strange sleet]

that's a rumble background

obviuosly photoshopped

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

thats a dornogal background

[strange sleet]

gz

[normal mist]

650 ilvl blasting

[cinder geode]

Do we use clear the witnesses ST when playing with vicious venom?

[glacial relic]

no

VV gives mutilate the pump

also procs blindside 💪🏻

[west crown]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[solar wyvern]

Random super niche question, if i were to play purely for execute damage, would ttb or arterial be more valuable?

In the vv build ofc

[fleet pagoda]

i think you can sim that with execute patchwork

unless i misunderstand the conditions of that

[solar wyvern]

ah i didnt even know that was an option

looks like art wins

[balmy condor]

just logically you can work through this by considering that zoldyck affects bleeds and arterial affects bleeds

same reason why vv wins in execute

[solar wyvern]

Yeah thats what brought me to ask in the first place

confirming my suspicions and whatnot

[alpine falcon]

fuck kb

all my homies hate kb

[viscid spear]

[buoyant herald]

One less button in keys does make my smooth brain happy

[haughty flicker]

i just dont do keys high enough for kb target to not insta die lmao

bleed op

[viscid spear]

We both got it this week

[haughty flicker]

although with some of these pugs they probably do live long enough

[normal mist]

did you also started playing mid last week? :3

[viscid spear]

No but I got the M+ part of Master Blaster first

[normal mist]

i have like 300 rating

xD

i wasnt expecting the raid to be so easy

[viscid spear]

Getting the rating was easier for me, my raid team is a clusterfuck

[normal mist]

we had 2 pulls on gally

[viscid spear]

We did it in one this week after spending an entire night failing last week.

[normal mist]

i have a total of 2 pulls on it xD

[viscid spear]

We had cut down on a lot of the group after screw-ups on Mug'Zee though

But eventually those tools will get carried to AotC anyway

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

Maybe I get aotc Sunday

Maybe not

[rancid wind]

Does maximizing Caustic on a fight like Bandit just amount to holding Envenom until one/two of the adds are in range as long as it doesnt overcap energy?

And is it pretty much guaranteed that the time it takes to put garotte and rupture on a target it will be poisoned in some way for Venomous Wounds energy regen?

[buoyant herald]

yeah that'll be the way

[arctic shale]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[viscid spear]

[unborn wharf]

is there an energy amount u wanna be at before 1 minuter kingsbane window

[viscid spear]

Also only a handful of people even showed up for Mythic Vexie today, they pretty much just joined another group.
AITA for doing keys?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-forget-it-no-gif-20897153

[viscid spear]

Found a nice group from Deathwing

Also the people that did show up are the, let's say, "lower half" of the team

[misty holly]

Does the cantrip effect on heroic Jastor Diamond make it better than mythic rings?

[balmy condor]

it's like regular mythic ring

but with a bonus

so yah, probably

[ivory kernel]

I need some tips on rik reverb for sin if anyone can throw out advice. feels bad swapping to adds, and its a bit tougher for me to get add damage opposed to sub which is probably an obv statement. I had about 10% add damage on a wipe but swapped to sub to help with adds more on our kill, and I'm really bad at sub lol. How do you guys do the add swap, just rupture it, cleave into boss with spatter if theyre close? Full swap?

[short pine]

!barrels

fuck

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[short pine]

doomed

just focus rikle pickle

[ivory kernel]

We dont have it on farm so im doomed to swap to sub until it is lol

[tawdry halo]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[ivory kernel]

thanks for the !

[severe sparrow]

you can also just stay as your spec and make the rest of your raid figure their shit out if you dont like sub

[ivory kernel]

Im honestly just showing them this and hoping they decide its not my job to swap to adds

[runic hinge]

Tell your range they are griefing

[real pike]

sim is telling me to get crafted amulet with embellish + crafted ring without instead of any writhing banding, this makes me sad I want my big ramp

[ivory kernel]

But I ended up getting a message for add damage on our pulls and swapped so we could get a cleaner group kill, was confused how my add dam was so low, makes sense now. Thanks for the help

[tawdry halo]

Standard raid leader interaction

Go Sub if your ranged won’t stop griefing I guess

[cedar flicker]

I just use rupture sniping on barrel if barrel position are in splatter range

[viscid spear]

Off to a good start for the week

[muted nebula]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[dapper cradle]

any BDAGs in chat?

(big dick ass gooners)

[lethal arrow]

cocknstock down

[balmy condor]

I was benched on locken but fixed the stix parse

the green was pmo

[buoyant herald]

someone be real with me

[balmy condor]

the dress does make you look fat

[buoyant herald]

how do you find a guild that doesn't have every dps padding the shit out of any add

so i can parse better

[runic hinge]

Pay them off

[buoyant herald]

i see these logs and im like hoooooly, must be nice for melee barrels to last long than 3 seconds

would be super cool if ranged would target the ranged ones but instead RL has to call melee to run out and finish it off

[fleet pagoda]

i guess if you're playing with super stinkers you can giga pad on adds but having better players around you is helpful

their kill times are 2 minutes faster than my guilds' and i'm not getting insane add damage

[buoyant herald]

yeah thats true

prog hasn't been slow

i just wanna pop off for once lol

but on those earlier bosses that are on farm status now everyone is trying to do the same so

[fleet pagoda]

we're still killing cauldron every week with half the raid dead somehow

idk what's going on

disregard parse; acquire boss kills ig

[buoyant herald]

at least i got loot this week even if i didn't improve my logs

[lethal arrow]

wroking on that rn

getting balls at the worst time

ill take it

whatever

[balmy condor]

parsing this tier sucks

[lethal arrow]

its such a shit boss

u get ball at the wrong time and its over

[dapper cradle]

I appreciate all the work you do for theory crafting all of these builds Whispyr , really cool of you to do for the community and a huge help. Thank you

[balmy condor]

that's gotta be a copypasta

[dapper cradle]

[balmy condor]

you would never write a genuine heartfelt message

[dapper cradle]

not true

but that's pasta

[viscid spear]

tfw you can Stix your Bunk into his Junker

[balmy condor]

so I was right

[dapper cradle]

i've been plenty sincere in here

but I love shitposting

inside me there are two wolves

both have piss stored in their balls

[balmy condor]

you're so real for that

[haughty flicker]

my guild refuses to hit adds at all

you'd love it here

[coral ibex]

freakin stix man

every week more memes

[haughty flicker]

i am memeing on stix as we speak

for some reason this week ive started lagging when i get the ball

so i'll roll into shit and go right through it instead of actually hitting it

[barren yarrow]

!deathmark

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[barren yarrow]

fuck im trying to macro KB DM and my trinket lol

[haughty flicker]

[lethal arrow]

just pay 700$ for a new cpu

and thatll stop happening

[balmy condor]

comcast

surely

[lethal arrow]

sentencing comcast to rolling stix balls

[coral ibex]

dude i picked up 2 packs of hyenas and 3 scrapmasters and i popped a bomb with my ball

literally hard carried my set

[lethal arrow]

but ucant kick all 3 of those scrapmasters

so that means they went off and started gunning someone down

[coral ibex]

have comms bro

can kick one and ask for kicks/grips

[lethal arrow]

yeah my spriest didnt know to take silence until 60 pulls in

it is what it is

[barren yarrow]

can someone help me with a macro

im drawing the biggest blank ever

[haughty flicker]

no

i refuse to help with your abomination

[barren yarrow]

whys that

[haughty flicker]

ethics

[barren yarrow]

i dont understand

[haughty flicker]

also break is over so back to katamari

and starfall

[barren yarrow]

? ok

[dapper cradle]

bel being a bellend as always

[haughty flicker]

you help him then

[dapper cradle]

no i don't think I will

[barren yarrow]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use House of Cards
/use Deathmark
/cast Kingsbane

does that make sense

[dapper cradle]

that won't work king

KB and DM are on the gcd

[barren yarrow]

ah ok

ty

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't want to do that in the first place

deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane

[barren yarrow]

mmm thats a good point ty king

could i macro shiv into it?

[balmy condor]

DM and Shiv are on the gcd

[barren yarrow]

ok so DM and trinket

[balmy condor]

yes

[barren yarrow]

ok cool beans ty

😄

[runic hinge]

And your potion

[dapper cradle]

and racial

and fire breather's vial

[runic hinge]

Meld isn’t gonna help me there

[wild surge]

hero mechano core amplifier is better than mythic seaforium pacemaker?

[blazing grove]

Hey guys for higher keys I’ve seen rogues take kingsbane and I’ve also seen big shiv, is it a comp situation regarding taking kingsbane or should we always send big shiv?

[balmy condor]

not typically, no

[solar wyvern]

Idk what big shiv means but a lot of the rogues that do high keys firmly believe hybrid build is better, but there are a few who are switching to bleed (personally think its better)

[mighty vine]

Anyone try Fatebound on sprocket yet? I feel like even though it sims higher for me, it just doesnt translate in practice

[fast phoenix]

Beating a bunch of 660-666+ on heroic Gally on my 650 alt, rogue superiority 💪

[dapper cradle]

haha did everyone clap?

[blazing grove]

Sorry big shiv as in arterial precision

[coral ibex]

dude i want a talent thats just called big shiv

-lightweight shiv +BIG shiv

make shiv a 1 min cd

big amp

[blazing grove]

Lightweight shiv < 7
Big shiv > 7
Ezpz

[fast phoenix]

Yeah cheeks were clapped as kids say

Big shiv, where it is coated with multiple poisons and injects Kingsbane too

[coral ibex]

oh yea baby now we're cooking

[pure bridge]

So far its about even. Though it's supposed to be 70k higher.

[mighty vine]

Yeah I just had a pull where I didnt get lucky coin until like 50%. my damage was so bad

[spiral basalt]

Hey yall is their a “!” For what rupture sniping is?

[coral ibex]

throw a rupture on a mob that's gonna die for bonus energy

[spiral basalt]

Sick. I feel like I was doing that already to have it pop. Good to known

[lethal arrow]

this oab fight is somethin

[prisma shadow]

On one armed should I be farming darkest nights onto the adds?

[pure bridge]

Yeah, just did more pulls. The DPS swing based on the coin flip is too big. Probably just going back to DS VV.

[frozen glacier]

guys what should i do if my guild is flaming me for having lower barrel dps on mythic rik because im an assassination rogue

[balmy condor]

swap sub

[prisma shadow]

On one armed if I get a darkest night should I swap to apply it to the add since its low health to get a second one back to back I can put on the boss

I haven't seen any like apl / rules about that

Otherwise I just send a rupture / garrote on it

[lethal arrow]

or outlaw

or explain to them how ass rogue works

and its not possible

[lethal arrow]

if ur desperate to kill the add probably?

but otherwise i dont think so

[hexed root]

how do y'all min/max on OAB when raid lead says to swap to every add?

[lethal arrow]

toss a rupture idk

we dont swap

[prisma shadow]

kk

[hexed root]

thats what im seeing

very challenging

[prisma shadow]

We have 3 aff locks, 3 evokers and 2 spriests so I think we good

I can just slam boss

[frank trench]

does bleed start to fal behind in 13's?

[runic hinge]

Nah

[jolly heath]

The only spec that can have decent dmg on adds is outlaw, your raid leader need to know the dmg profile

[frank trench]

or shoudl i drop arterial precision for kingsbane?

[runic hinge]

Kb in bleed build ain’t gonna do shit

[frank trench]

i feel my boss dmg lacks in bleed build

just trying to brain storm 😄

[prisma shadow]

Yeah the boss damage is trash on the bleed build imo

[runic hinge]

It’s 3% behind hybrid with supercharger and it’s ahead of normal hybrid. ST is just low on the spec. There’s no magic answer

[prisma shadow]

Feels awful in mechagon

[lethal arrow]

ass damage to adds on a 99 parse kill pull for rik

[hexed root]

great raid lead, just feels bad on the swap asks

[lethal arrow]

its simply not possible

they either clump and we spatter

[prisma shadow]

The thing you want to do on rick is delay your death mark still after the first smash thing

[lethal arrow]

or we suffer

[prisma shadow]

Then pray for barrel rng

[lethal arrow]

yeah then u can at least shiv them

[prisma shadow]

and just causic splatter your way to some dmg

[lethal arrow]

but otherwise nope

[frank trench]

wait there is a hybrid supercharger build?

that does more dps?

[frozen glacier]

@lethal arrow tyty

[balmy condor]

it's a minor gain in st for a pretty sizeable loss in aoe

[lethal arrow]

dont worry my guild doesnt believe me either

[frank trench]

so basically stay the course in bleed

ty 🙂

[frozen glacier]

yeah it sucks ive tried to explain it too them and they are just like "nah you should swap"

[hexed root]

i was looking up prog logs and top logs

and neither really swap

[lethal arrow]

does not help that the RLE discord has this message pinned for rik

but like

its just not true

fire mage/ass rogue/etc literally cant swap lol

[hexed root]

im significantly under our other rogue that ignores the call