assassination

[pure moth]

He said it got an overhaul

[shy axle]

whats the difference between nightly and latest in raidbots?

[midnight mist]

why would i open wowhead

[balmy condor]

Speed of sims updating, Nightly updates at around 2am every night, latest updates within 5-10 minutes of an update

[royal lantern]

nightly checks 1x a day for updates, latest is always using the latest stuff avaible

[shy axle]

thank you

[trim ledge]

Coming from a warrior, hunter and outlaw player, the energy starve ass gets in ST in between windows reallly feels jarring. But reading this discord has helped alot in understanding its just how it goes and not to panic lol

[sonic schooner]

starving for buffs nor energy

is by designed

[shy axle]

new talent: mutilate uses all energy you got and does more dmg. Full 300e energy just deletes like the 1st boss does driving over people with red goo

[fallow canopy]

I paid for 300 energy and you bet imma slurp that yellow juice down

[shy axle]

true

[dapper cradle]

This casualaddict SC m+ build is so good

Much better than bleed

[brave comet]

what does cloak help with on sprocket mythic?

[dawn seal]

is there a world where I can get a pi

[gusty mirage]

Befriend your local priest and hope the RL doesn’t give enough of a fuck to assign externals

[dawn seal]

oh

is it bad for us

or is it banger on dm

[fallow canopy]

a lot of people use it for the one purple beam that's really thin + magnet

[gusty mirage]

No, but there’s better targets

[spice surge]

Its way better for others

[dawn seal]

question why is aug good for assasinaiton but pi bad

[wide ibex]

Guys, can someone help me? I fell like me ST is terrible, lack of energy for a long time and not sure if Im pression the right buttons.
This is a 9DC boss fight, any tips?

[gusty mirage]

Because most of assa’s damage is envenom now, the dots are secondary

[fallow canopy]

we are like middle of the pack so there's like 10+ better targets

[dawn seal]

oh

[gusty mirage]

So it’s still good, but not as good as it used to be

[dawn seal]

hmm

[little tulip]

instant poison ?_?

[dawn seal]

u should drop a log instead

[gusty mirage]

Also drop instant poison for deadly

[dapper cradle]

Sebaceous poison goes pretty hard too

[gusty mirage]

I will stab you

[golden loom]

Occult poison

[wide ibex]

Im using both on this biuld

[dapper cradle]

Lore accurate threat

[fallow canopy]

um what

[golden loom]

Amp deadly and instant?

Hacker

[fallow canopy]

the truest dragon tempered blades

[dapper cradle]

Bro is playing dragon tempered with instant instead of amp

Gamer

[dawn seal]

dragon tempered blades is such a cool name

whats the lore behind it

[fallow canopy]

good question

next question

[little tulip]

is venomous wounds even gonna proc

[gusty mirage]

Dragonflight lmao

[golden loom]

Blades tempered by dragons

[gusty mirage]

Yeah on instant/amp poison applications

[pliant remnant]

holy shit

[little tulip]

or ouhuhu the other one

[gusty mirage]

[dapper cradle]

Alexstrasza queefed on the kingslayers

[pliant remnant]

are you sure it was dragons

i don't believe it

[dawn seal]

I am a new person now

[balmy condor]

I don’t think venomous sounds works on amp poisons

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

Definitely doesn’t work on instant, there’s no debuff

[dawn seal]

@golden loom do u like my new name

[balmy condor]

It might work with amp but I would be surprised if blizzard had the foresight of someone running instant+amp

Cause that sounds psychotic

[spice surge]

It does

[gusty mirage]

Does it work with non lethal?

[balmy condor]

Impressive

[gusty mirage]

[dapper cradle]

Only running non lethals

[spice surge]

Spatter also works with amp

Its so running amp without dtb is playable ig

[balmy condor]

That’s true I guess

[gusty mirage]

That’s a level of foresight that I never thought possible in my 2 decades playing this game

[balmy condor]

Okay maybe not insane of blizzard to have foresight then

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Instant+amp would be ridiculous

[dawn seal]

whats dtb

doubious demise

[gusty mirage]

Dragon tempered blades, the talent that lets you use two lethal poisons and two non lethal

[golden loom]

Also PvP players would be mad if it didnt proc on wound poision

[dawn seal]

oh

[dapper cradle]

Brain rot so hard I auto replace foresight with foreskin

[dawn seal]

I am familiar yes

[gusty mirage]

PvP players are always mad either way

[dawn seal]

I feel liek deadly poison just should kill the targets

what do u guys think

[fallow canopy]

I think kb should one shot gallywix since he is a king yk

[gusty mirage]

I wish sudden demise would proc irl and my suffering would be over

[brave comet]

when theres very little safe area and you're getting pulled?

[fallow canopy]

Ye

[golden loom]

Might just be a 7 sec cloak angle for that

[brave comet]

does the cloak also work on the fire beam?

[fallow canopy]

um probably, not sure why you would need it for that

[balmy condor]

Cloak works on pretty much everything on sprocket I think

It’s all magic

[midnight mist]

during the pull + beam you can cloak the missiles

cause they bump

and if you get bumped you end up in a beam

and you die

so usually people have imunes assigned there

[brave comet]

gotcha thanks!

[trim ledge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[turbid sandal]

With Magnet trinket, do we just hold it until after the Deathmark runs out? Or send it on CD?

[balmy condor]

You burn off your stacks towards the end of lingering darkness

[midnight mist]

Sounds like an exploit gg

[balmy condor]

Shouldn’t be capping stacks between deathmarks under normal circumstances so it just always lines up in the same window

[trim ledge]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[red schooner]

Vault time, pls, game, be nice

[spice spire]

It’s going to be a great vault for you as it was for me king

I believe

[red schooner]

I have options at least

[coral ibex]

you will be rewarded for your dedication

[red schooner]

Just sending a sim

[coral ibex]

i had to choose between legs and chest

took legs, got the chest tier token from raid

[red schooner]

We shall see what the robot says

And then maybe choose based on vibes anyhow

[alpine latch]

I got non-optimal 4p last night from a heroic pug .. I think I'm another week or two out from being able to trial, tho

[spice spire]

Decent vault we take those

[hollow saddle]

What does parse on m+ mean? Ect i got 100 on cinderbrew. Am i fasted timed or what?

[red schooner]

Ye, got options

[spice spire]

I am officially done with trinkets this season

[red schooner]

So, hey, its fine

[spice spire]

Timed based on key level and spec

Overall parse is both

[coral ibex]

would really like a myth track passive trinket

[spice spire]

Key parse is the first

[spice spire]

I lucked out with pace week 2

Got signet yesterday

My tier? Dogshit tho

[coral ibex]

can't complain too much, running 665 hoc/pace atm

678 mega magnet is a minor gain

[spice spire]

I mean from vault too but ye

[coral ibex]

but sometimes i forget to use it

[spice spire]

Last season I was hunting f it a 639 passive trinket all season

Kinda glad to be done rn

[dapper cradle]

surely it's an amorphous relic angle?

[coral ibex]

prob crafting a wrist next week

[red schooner]

the robot is telling me no but my mind is telling me yes

[golden loom]

[spice spire]

Hot

[spice spire]

This but double 678

[golden loom]

getting some crests atm

[spice spire]

Get woke mister uwucutegirl

I’m at the point where I’m crafting

[alpine latch]

I think I did well though .. I went from 572 item level last Friday to 646 last night

[spice spire]

Just random shit

Very nice Palmer gz

Also wb

[alpine latch]

ty ty

My parses are all like 12%

But fuck it

I hadn't touched WoW in like a year and a half

[spice spire]

Been there

(First tier of expansion)

[alpine latch]

I gotta find a new guild, somehow make friends in my 40s, and start to not suck

My guild finally got CE and I no longer meet their reqs

They only recruit CE players now

[spice spire]

Joined one day a week AotC guild and have enjoyed.
Tried to do two groups and hated it

So I’m a one day a week guy until further notice

[dapper cradle]

one day a week CE/HOF guild would go hard

16-18 hour raid that one day

[gusty mirage]

One day a week hof is not possible unless you’re legit raiding 18 hours in that one day lmao

[spice spire]

CE is 100% possible tho

[gusty mirage]

CE def possible

[dapper cradle]

certainly this tier

[spice spire]

We hit AotC last week? So like I’m now officially chilling for the tier

[gusty mirage]

Nice so when am I getting mine?

[dapper cradle]

are you going for title again?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Whenever you sign up

[spice spire]

Fuck no

[gusty mirage]

How me sign up

[gusty mirage]

You got title?

[spice spire]

My alt almost has more io than my main

[spice spire]

Fuck no

Also thought you could view sign ups

Making sure they do that

[pure moth]

My shaman going to get more io. I can see it now

[gusty mirage]

Yeah you do, your title is señor pp grande

[coral ibex]

think im gonna get 3k io this weekend

[lethal lynx]

Dude our ST needs to be buffed NOW

[coral ibex]

surely my throbbingly huge ilvl will get me invites

[fallow canopy]

As a representative of the Spanish speaking community I approve

[spice spire]

Thing is, the rogue is more than capable of doing 14s or whatever

I just cba

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

Me re: 3k

I can probably easily get 3k but I also like not logging in

Ya feel me

[spice surge]

I suspect the title is going to be harder than usual to achieve this season

[spice spire]

It’s not that I don’t wanna log in, do keys every night

[spice surge]

Resilient keys makes boosting significantly easier

[spice spire]

But prioritize the homies > io

[spice spire]

Good thing you’re a capital G gaymer

Easiest title of your life

[gusty mirage]

Imma resiliently follow your food journeys

[barren yarrow]

Is there a world in higher keys where running atrophic is worth it?

[nova aspen]

yes

[barren yarrow]

Ok is that also running tempered blades and KB?

[nova aspen]

numbing only helps your tank, and some qol for getting inturrupts

[barren yarrow]

hmmm

so as far as this bleed build goes it’s an option but atrophic will help boss damage no?

[nova aspen]

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage you should be able to now

Sorry king love you

[nova aspen]

i misread u, yes it helps the boss deal less damage to the party

[barren yarrow]

Ok so it’s an option but not absolutely necessary

[hot flicker]

What are these resilient keys I’ve seen some listed no idea what they are

[neat raptor]

When are they removing the crest cap

[spice spire]

Keys that don’t degrade if failed

[coral ibex]

maybe at the end of the season?

[spice spire]

So once you knock all 12s

[coral ibex]

no time soon

[spice spire]

You get resilient 12s

So if you fail a 12

It stays a 12

[hot flicker]

It only happens at 12?

[fallow canopy]

in 1 month (I made this up)

[coral ibex]

yes

[neat raptor]

I heard it was after the first 100 mythic clears but that might be fake news

[coral ibex]

and you need all 12's

[hot flicker]

Strange yeah was about to say I’ve got 12s

And that wasn’t the case for me

[spice spire]

All timed?

[somber fjord]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W3Ch8wZ9TLMKdfbN

Hey i was wondering if someone would be able to help me out i cant seem to figure out what im doing wrong in my rotation

my damage just isnt there

[hot flicker]

No but that’s why it’s explained

I got a few timed

Not all

[spice spire]

Yep

Gotta time them all!

[golden loom]

meow!

[hidden bay]

looked into mugzee
you want to envenom before first deathmark, aside from that opener is ok
first dry shiv after cooldowns is ok aswell
first kb window is ok aswell, you should try to go with envenom buff into this aswell
after that you dry shiv again at 1:47, makes no sense since you dont have lingering darkness up (the buff you get after deathmark expires)
second deathmark is missing? yet you send kb without any shiv at all
second deathmark you use giga delayed with delayed kb and delayed shiv

[somber fjord]

my mugzee fight was really bad i had never done it on heroic i was also the only melee so I was targeted on all the soaks, but for my other fights im just really confused I see a lot of other parses able to get way more out of caustic spatter then me aswell

also should i be waiting for stealth to send my next deathmark>

[unreal tide]

Low caustic = shit tanks. (Only partially joking)

[hidden bay]

we do not use vanish without improved garrote/MA

so no, you do not wait at all

[forest mountain]

rupture sniping im assuming is putting it onto targets about to die?

[rain berry]

what talent should i drop if i want iron wire in bleed build?

[spice spire]

Ur gonna make me bark

[craggy ruin]

Eye of kezan on bandit

thoughts?

[subtle tundra]

none... very empty

[gusty mirage]

That’s because you have no ridges on the brain

They slip right off

[subtle tundra]

smooth like my ass cheeks

[gusty mirage]

You do have some smooth ass cheeks

[somber fjord]

should i be pooling before kb

[hidden bay]

you can, yes.
if you are roughly under 50% energy 2-3 seconds before Kingsbane window

benefit is very low

[coral ibex]

you'd pool at 5+cp so you can envenom -> shiv -> kingsbane

or just envenom -> kingsbane if you did a dry shiv prior

[lavish hazel]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lucid rune]

Is NE god tier race? Or can I get away with void elf?

[dapper cradle]

NE is really bad

realistically, all races are basically the same

[low thicket]

NE best race 🙂

[dapper cradle]

NE is good for pvp, but meld is super jank in pve

animations are bis

but all other "advantages" are fake and cope

[lucid rune]

I always felt meld kinda cringe

The void elf port seems useless though

[ebon glen]

"NE is really bad" "All races are the same" thus, all races are really bad?? 🤔

[turbid harbor]

void elf port is useful when you don't have line of sight of where you want to be so shadowstep doesn't work

was used this tier

[dapper cradle]

the differences are marginal, but certain races do pull ahead

for simplicity's sake, that doesn't matter for 95% of the people in here

if you want to dps min max, then maghar or reg orc are best for sub/sin

[scenic nacelle]

Will faction swapping brick my current mythic lockout? I remember that used to be an issue not sure now

[warm vortex]

Guys

I may have taken a slice of surv

And it’s fun as hell

Year of the spear inc?

[golden loom]

well this is the crazy difference of dps between races for assa

[normal mist]

huge right

[dapper cradle]

Just make sure you don’t fight more than one target

[scenic nacelle]

use to to escape mythic mugzee gaols

[warm vortex]

You say that

[errant jacinth]

!rik

[warm vortex]

Saw someone press a mongoose bite and get 42 million damage in return

Cause it hit like 4 extra targets

[dapper cradle]

And then you look at any other class in the group with that hunter doing more damage

Blizz overcooked surv aoe

Sent surv was legit perfect in s1

[warm vortex]

Yea

Bring back surv

[quartz trellis]

Euge

[strange python]

surv is kinda pumping tho

[dapper cradle]

It’s really good in ST

Doggy doodoo stinky diaper in keys

[timid bramble]

Yep MM is the better balance between AoE and ST

Also survival had a bug. After it got fixed it went from #1 raid boss DMG to 8 I believe

[strange python]

its not as good as mm yea but its a lot better than what people give it credit for

[timid bramble]

always been under rated and under estimated

[dapper cradle]

Last patch it was neither

It was literally good everywhere

Blizz saw a well designed and fun Surv iteration and fucked it up

Idk man

[worldly bridge]

!wa

[late birch]

Can anyone explain the dry shiv thing to me please, cant remember exactly the reasoning behind it again.

[strange python]

true

it's fine now but last patch it felt amazing

[spice spire]

Rawdogged kbs are wet noodles and don’t do a ton of dam. So you do more dam by shiving a dn during lingering than hittin before

[late birch]

ah I see, thannks ... and what is that % gain lookin like?

[spice spire]

Don’t have # beside me

Not major major

But major enough to do

[lucid rune]

Does sin really suffer in certain fights compared to outlaw for example?

[golden loom]

like 0,5% or smthin smthin

[lucid rune]

Sin’s probably my fave dps in the game, but I also don’t mind swapping specs for optimization

Do any of you go outlaw for certain fights in LoU?

[golden loom]

no

[lucid rune]

Or just ride or die sin

[coral ibex]

no

[lucid rune]

And yer parsin

[golden loom]

well parses are contained within the spec

[coral ibex]

i'm not crafting a 2nd weapon and im not getting an OL weapon over someone else who uses agi 1h

[coral ibex]

doing fine

[lucid rune]

Good Kush

I miss sin

[golden loom]

hopefully I dont get bad balls on stix and we kill sprocket tonight

also @coral ibex I cant wait to not play fatebound!!

[fallow canopy]

I tried fb on reclear yesterday, missed the 50/50 twice and swapped back to deathstalker

Fun times

[lucid rune]

So sin doesn’t struggle outside of ST

I loved sin in m+ early season 1

[coral ibex]

ST is the spec's weakest aspect

[lucid rune]

Really?

[golden loom]

and even then in pure raid ST its like middle of the pack

[coral ibex]

yes?

[lucid rune]

I’m out of touch lol

[golden loom]

but theres only 1 pure ST fight

[coral ibex]

go look at sprocket statistics

[dapper cradle]

jarvis pull up sprocket stats

[coral ibex]

ok google show me this man's balls

[golden loom]

honestly a pretty even nice spread all things considered

[lucid rune]

What are our strong points? Loosely spread cleave? Lol

[coral ibex]

tight cleave is our best fight style i think

[lucid rune]

I used to enjoy jumping around spreading bleeds

[coral ibex]

spread cleave is really bad

[keen spruce]

we definitely don’t do that

[dapper cradle]

sin funnel is really good

[short pine]

ran a norm like 2 weeks ago and there was like 12 hunters

[dapper cradle]

and uniornically sin execute might be the best in the game

[lucid rune]

With caustic?

[red schooner]

tight cleave and execute

we do good execute

[keen spruce]

And vibes

[sharp viper]

aug is still too high

[keen spruce]

We bring great vibes

[dapper cradle]

fuck his cleave is so tight

[coral ibex]

yea we go infinite on stix when adds pop in good timings

[red schooner]

surprised there were any augs on mythic stix

[golden loom]

Also we are probably one of the easiest specs to play atm and Rogue in general is unkillable in raid

[lucid rune]

And our cleave is burstier now right?

[keen spruce]

Assa very easy yes

Very tanky to big hits

[coral ibex]

can confirm the only way i die is skill issue

cheat death + cloak is op

[keen spruce]

And planned damage

[red schooner]

same (i die a lot)

[keen spruce]

Idk what the dot situation is like this tier

[sharp viper]

raid leaders cousin

[keen spruce]

It that’s the only place we suffer

[golden loom]

Its impossible to die on sprocket unless u fly off map right

[coral ibex]

yea

[dapper cradle]

i mean you can still die from running into stupid shit

[coral ibex]

i think i died once to the big beams + suck

[golden loom]

Legit last raid my entire minigame was to try and vanish to reset boss when everyone was dead

[coral ibex]

because i was brain afk

[dapper cradle]

like the conveyors, beam, mines

[brave stump]

i never press fok with vv right?

[coral ibex]

you have to be omega level stupid tho

[brave stump]

in st that is

[coral ibex]

we do literally nothing on sprocket

[sharp viper]

did you play deathstalker or how did you have vanish available

[coral ibex]

our uptime means nothing

[golden loom]

Yeah but usually a big boom kills everyone and ur left alive alone with the tank

[dapper cradle]

yeah for sure, but they didn't specify 😉

[golden loom]

I am not touching FB in any world

[dapper cradle]

until proven otherwise

[coral ibex]

its actually so frustrating to be a mid pack ST spec on a fight that only has ranged mechs

literally just waiting to clear the fight

waiting for permission from ranged to see dead boss

can't even have fun on the meters

going to the shadow realm whenver i hit a 6>1 in my opener

[golden loom]

I was 35%waitingRoom on details during sprocket

Also thaddiusexpert

[iron vapor]

Can confirm it is very possible to die to beams if you're slightly stupid

[coral ibex]

i was thaddius in 2025 in discord for 2 weeks and then i started dooming too hard

genuinely thought we were gonna be hard stuck sprocket forever

[golden loom]

Thing with beam is, you have nothing else to cloak on the fight

[sharp viper]

classic andies rejoice

[coral ibex]

haha yea definitely dont cloak during the first intermission to get better uptime

dont cloak and stand off the conveyor belt

that's crazy!!!

[golden loom]

Wait thats based

FUCK RUNNING

Worst part of the fight

[lucid rune]

Glad to see the vibes are still immaculate in sin discord

[sharp viper]

RUCK FUNNING

[coral ibex]

yea if you aren't afraid ur gonna die to the beam+suck without cloak

you just cloak first intermission for big dam

[golden loom]

U have it back up anyways no?

[coral ibex]

nah

less than 2m between

[iron vapor]

Not quite

[coral ibex]

comes up during the suck

[iron vapor]

Probably have it for the end of the beams tho

[coral ibex]

like halfway

[golden loom]

So cheat death into cloak

Good use of defensives for max dam

[coral ibex]

our healers are prone to being dead or otherwise not healing during that

[golden loom]

Tho I do dislike the intermission running, feels awkward as fuck

[coral ibex]

so if i die and i cloaked for dam earlier

im gonna get mocked forever

bc our dam means nothing

[golden loom]

Like trying to do cds while being dragged to narnia

[neon lava]

I haven't pressed one cloak on my sprocket kill

[coral ibex]

the worst part of the fight is the 1m kingsbane

our strat always involves dragging the boss exactly at 1:06

and i have to get off

or i die to the aoe bc nobody is gonna external me for uptime

so it drifts 7-10 seconds

[neon lava]

only way you die is legit either a group wipe or miss use of gate 😄

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

you can use gate from a million miles away after the kb too

[golden loom]

bro what

[flint tusk]

Anyone got a myth crafting gear string for SimC i can steal

[golden loom]

I feel like we drag it at 40 seconds or something cause when KB comes up I have been pooling for like 5 seconds being afk as per usual on the boss

[sharp viper]

tf is that

[coral ibex]

wait i think im thinking of the 3m

[waxen oyster]

Unlucky plebs who dont have gear to upgrade from their vault

[coral ibex]

yea

its the 3m kingsbane

not 1m

[golden loom]

ah okay makes more sense

[coral ibex]

https://youtu.be/58OEEb9J3t4?t=8398

timestamp

for maximum despair

[flint tusk]

it's a string of all the crafted gear at myth level without having to manually add every one

[golden loom]

like holy GCD capped spec!!

classic wow ahh looking rotation

[fallow canopy]

Just win the lottery of being in the color group of the tank currently aggroing the boss

[dapper cradle]

2 whole secs between gar and mut

[golden loom]

@coral ibex btw arent u tracking capstone?

[coral ibex]

bro ur so funny

[keen spruce]

[golden loom]

thats legit so crazy tho

like how..

[coral ibex]

yea we did kill on the only pull that i never got my capstone

xd

i totally wasn't dooming the entire time

muted on the mic

screaming into the void

[golden loom]

"WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE"

[coral ibex]

cursing the rogue dev whose deranged mind concocted fatebound

[sharp viper]

bold of you to assume that there is a dev responsible for rogue

[coral ibex]

literally just fix it so you always get your capstone if you do the opener correctly with the right vanish timing

the rest of the flipping rng theme is whatever

i dont care

you can fit it thematically because the luckiest people always make their own luck

[fallow canopy]

Wdym its not like you can bind your fate like that! The rng is needed for theme

[coral ibex]

so forcing the edge case is thematic

get on it

[golden loom]

honestly I was under the impression that was the case

until yesterday

[coral ibex]

yea bro i need some !help too

[fallow canopy]

Those 50/50s are cursed I swear

[gritty laurel]

i played FB for all of season 1 because DS started off mega bugged, i won't go back

[pliant remnant]

My condolences

[coral ibex]

i have a lot of crit on my gear so fb sims like 2.2% higher in ST for me

felt obligated to take it

[gritty laurel]

2.2% up on average, 5% up or 5% down with no inbetween in practice

[normal mist]

Did a +2 priory just to do the weekly quest... Both me and the shaman are the exact same ilvl.. I love this build lol

[radiant raven]

It's a lot of fun

[normal mist]

(yes im still undergeared dont judge me)

[gritty laurel]

priory is great for it too

[radiant raven]

You'd end up doing more DPS than me too, Royal

[normal mist]

It's a +2, im only now 646

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah, big gains

[normal mist]

16 ilvls in a week, 4pc, no m+ farm nor HC clear

pretty good id say

[radiant raven]

Real good, yeah. Nice!

[nova bear]

What build is that one you using?

[scenic nacelle]

!wa

[vast shuttle]

is their a macro for using potion with deathmark?

[normal mist]

Bleed build, from the pins / wowhead

[coral ibex]

yea its in the wowhead guide

[vast shuttle]

ty

[agile wedge]

!wa

[hallow imp]

Hello can anyone try sim my rogue? 🙂

[coral ibex]

why can't you sim yourself

[spiral vapor]

sanity check : how much does your characters sim in 1boss 6 min ?

[hallow imp]

not sure how to do it best

[coral ibex]

i'm sure you can figure it out, there's lots of information about it

you just copy the simc string into raidbots and go from there

[vivid mulch]

what do you wanna sim

[hallow imp]

just what stat i need to go for 🙂

[vivid mulch]

!stats

!stat

wtf was it now

[coral ibex]

you just equip whatever sims highest

[vivid mulch]

^

It has been verse/mast haste/mast for me this season p much

[jaunty hill]

My sims always tend to push me hard into mastery

[spiral vapor]

anyone can tell me their last quick sim value from the back of his head? I feel like simming 2.19m at 666 ilevel feels really bad when guildmates sim at 2.6 or something

[waxen oyster]

Yeah rogue is bad on sims

congrats

Who tf sims 6mins

[spiral vapor]

not sure what you congrat me for but ty xiani

[waxen oyster]

I mean its not exactly unique that rogue sims shit.

Compared to other classes

psure my jastor sim gain is lower than the tanks'

[spiral vapor]

still a difference, of .5 million feels weird

[golden loom]

class sims are made by different people

so some are more realistic than others

[waxen oyster]

Why are we simming 6min though

[vivid mulch]

2.6 dungeon slice?

[waxen oyster]

Isn't the standard sim 5

[golden loom]

they arent made to compare between classes either

[spiral vapor]

dunno i just use the standard raidbot options for 1boss

its 6 minutes

[waxen oyster]

standard is 5

[spiral vapor]

yeah maybe

maybe i'm being paranoid

[golden loom]

I mean the dooming before tier in this discord from people watching other sims was real

"WTF PROT WARRIOR 3 BILLION DAMAGE WE ARE FUCKED"

no shit when the prot warrior sim spams execute, that surely happens in game

[idle finch]

how much prio target damage you lose going bleed build

[golden loom]

Bleed doesnt have worse prio

[waxen oyster]

If you need to ask

You don't play at a level where prio matters either.

[coral ibex]

just reroll uhdk

[waxen oyster]

Bloodbeast go brrr

[idle finch]

no kingsbane surely must mean less prio

[hallow imp]

are the bleed build ahead now=?

[waxen oyster]

Not really

You have 2 shiv charges

[golden loom]

You have zoldyck and big singular focus idk

the damage profile doesnt really change

[waxen oyster]

AP more cleave dam

more singular focus

etc

balances out

That being said, it "feels" good to get blindside procs.

Dopamine hit

[coral ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tj3dVnsy5dX4gyNPquHgiS i only sim at 2.22m in my spatter raid build at 671

it is what it is

[worldly bridge]

!wa

[waxen oyster]

how much is ib on sim anyway

[golden loom]

like 2%

[spiral vapor]

it's the sound effect

feels too good

[waxen oyster]

You play with sound?

[spiral vapor]

who plays without sound

[golden loom]

indeed

[pure moth]

Me

[waxen oyster]

✅ 200% music
✅ RL muted

vibing

[golden loom]

freaks play without game sound

[coral ibex]

yea no game sound is wild to me

like bro its a video game

[pure moth]

I have it 10%

[spiral vapor]

actual sociopaths

[coral ibex]

1.4%

[waxen oyster]

your vv sims higher

interesting

[coral ibex]

that's also spatter with MA

[south prawn]

yo guys

splatter

[deep gyro]

Is that st ma with art prec?

[south prawn]

is legit not working

[south prawn]

for me

[harsh anchor]

I play with no game sound 😦 am I sike o pad?

[warm vortex]

Ngl

[worldly bridge]

ooi i remember a nice weak aura with KB timing + shiv window but i cant find the exact one i used to play with.. Anyone else might help me ?

[warm vortex]

Night is going well so far

[coral ibex]

i guess i can just link the sim xd

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s6G8ApJFbU2S8TKUZBW4Mw

[balmy condor]

Call me a freak then (please, I need this)

[haughty flicker]

its only 2:30 though

[golden loom]

freaky frog

[waxen oyster]

11k less than me so pretty similar

[warm vortex]

For me it's nearly half 7

[waxen oyster]

but i lose 16k if i go vv

[warm vortex]

Speaking of frogs

[balmy condor]

Ty I finished

[warm vortex]

Have you guys seen the perma pissed off frogs

They are so funny and are a mood

[deep gyro]

Mine was simming higher when the ma build had art prec selected idk if u have it on.

[waxen oyster]

Idk how you're 671 though, sending my gildeds only puts me at 668

[coral ibex]

i'm the goat idk

[spiral vapor]

this is the content we browse class discords for

[waxen oyster]

Though you sim less xd

[coral ibex]

[haughty flicker]

just get more loot lmao

[waxen oyster]

i assume you actually get loot in raid

[coral ibex]

i'm the 2nd rogue

i think we're just short on leather users

[fallow canopy]

Skill issue frfr

[waxen oyster]

pov you do stupid sim gain

for drops

[agile geode]

guys there's no gameplay around pacemaker?

[coral ibex]

we use wowaudit so all the gains im allowed to claim are at the drop level

i cant use upgraded amounts for some reason

[waxen oyster]

audit does by max upgrade but yeah think we just rush fed boomies

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

Base level upgrades

[haughty flicker]

they can choose base level or max level

or both

or some others

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[coral ibex]

grrrr

deflating my sim gains

[waxen oyster]

We also sim like shit

compared to every class

[rotund oak]

[hexed pumice]

!rik

[waxen oyster]

!richard

bot ded

[hexed pumice]

://

just analysing our rik wipes, now i got assigned to swap to barrels just as everyone://

[subtle tundra]

honestly tell them to play better

[runic hinge]

tell your ranged to target far barrels or else you'll garrote them irl

[drifting cloud]

promise?

[runic hinge]

I'm hoping for a garrote irl meself

[mystic turret]

when reapplying dots at the end of DM window do i only reapply garrote? or rupture too?

[high walrus]

anyone do a dfc after reset?

candle king goes fucking crazy now

was already one of the hardest healing checks now they just decided to randomly make it like twice as hard

[gritty laurel]

there's no logic for refreshing dots at the end of DM because it doesn't snapshot the duplication

if DM is up, bleeds are duped, if it's not they aren't

you just reapply during pandemic

[analog field]

In vexxie you use KB at first and wait DM on the weakened phase? Both in mythic and heroic ?

[fresh mica]

what is the best talent to get rid of for iron wire dmg wise as hybrid build ?

[golden loom]

Died on rik with awful melee spawns, getting first balls on stix what a fucked up day! @coral ibex

[coral ibex]

we wiped on multiple great stix pulls for me last night

[hexed pumice]

no clue honestly, i popped instantly and turned out fine with around 90 parse i think, but im new

[golden loom]

On mythic you deffo deathmark on pull

[coral ibex]

yea mythic intermission is around 1:40

holding sounds cooked

[shy axle]

the first cds used on the trashboss is usually when the first adds spawn, right? like 40 second-ish?

[coral ibex]

no

you just send on CD

according to lorrgs

[shy axle]

lorgs seem to use the first on like 35 seconds

its about stix

[coral ibex]

oh you mean stix

yea i hold for 38s

[shy axle]

okay thank you

[golden loom]

yeah I hold until 38

get ball

send cds at 2:45

[coral ibex]

i had the perfect opener on our first pull last night

exactly 7 adds got dropped on the boss as my 2nd shiv was coming up

[worldly dock]

how much haste are we required to have with this new bleed build?

[coral ibex]

i was going infinite

[proper pulsar]

hi guys, im new as rogue, have a wa them show how many targets have my rapture and garrote? im trying to learn and sometimes i have issues with that

[gritty haven]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[proper pulsar]

ty

[primal quest]

how do u get this comparison pic ? what is this

[coral ibex]

lorrgs.io

[primal quest]

ty!

[west crown]

nothing required, its just slightly better now. Always sim

[ancient rain]

there was a pinned message saying assa isnt good for swapping targets and i cant find it

[runic hinge]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[royal lantern]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[heady prairie]

Hey all I am brand new to the rouge class. Anyone have any recommendations on weak auras or adds? I'd greatly appreciate the assistance 🙏

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

[heady prairie]

Do these listed overlap each other? Or just pick one, or install all of em?

[coral ibex]

i would not recommend installing all of them

[spice spire]

Pick a plater pick a weak aura group

[bleak sun]

Idk i got luxthos' & it's fairly simple to follow/understand

[heady prairie]

What one do you use?

[coral ibex]

i use a paid ui from a streamer personally but any of these are fine choices

[heady prairie]

Any of em have slice and dice tracker?

[coral ibex]

no

there's no reason to track that

[heady prairie]

Do we not use that?

[coral ibex]

you never press it

envenom applies it automatically

it never falls off

you dont track it

[heady prairie]

Ohhhhh

Thanks

Shows how new I am lol

[coral ibex]

[golden loom]

was like 3,8m into this and boss dies @coral ibex

[royal lantern]

i love priory trinket

just had to craft a heroic neck and change all my gems+enchants so that i can use my mythic wrist over a heroic one

[coral ibex]

[royal lantern]

take a plater pack and one of the wa packs you think looks good

most peeps here probs use whisps pack

[brave comet]

do i use the cleave build for stix mythic?

[coral ibex]

yes

[winter crystal]

Is there anywhere I can read more on how lingering darkness works? Like hitting target dummies it seems to proc completely randomly

[coral ibex]

you just get 30% increased nature damage after dm finishes

for 30 seconds

[winter crystal]

after i clear all 3 stacks then?

[worldly dock]

How do we should sim for M+? 5 targets 1 min? with latest?

[hidden bay]

[coral ibex]

what

no

deathmark

not deathstalker's marks

[royal lantern]

wdym cleave build? playing with crimson tempest?

[coral ibex]

your 2m cd

[winter crystal]

OH

THAT WAS THE ENTIRE

okay LMFAO

[royal lantern]

lingering darness is after deathmark (or shadowblades for sub)

[winter crystal]

they both have death and mark in the name mb lmao

[coral ibex]

no we dont sim patchwerk multiple targets

we dont sim aoe

you can sim dungeonslice for m+

[worldly dock]

oh ok

dungeonslice and Latest or weekly?

[royal lantern]

take a shot everytime a rogue talent has the words Shadow or Death or Mark in its name

[winter crystal]

for real

[brave comet]

without tempest

[royal lantern]

i mean thats just the basic raid setup, yeha

[fallow canopy]

I value my kidneys so no ty

[coral ibex]

i think whispy plays CT on stix for omega pad

but my raid has an omega padding boomie now

[royal lantern]

it heavy depeends on your raidteam

and its not even pad then

its a boss dmg increase

[red schooner]

I thought I was safe being benched on stix, I've been drafted in to watch the discord stream to identify maniacs on the balls. Shit.

[coral ibex]

from what i saw he was getting basically the same amount of boss damage as i was but with a different build due to the raid differences

[runic hinge]

Latest

[royal lantern]

like, if muultiple adds reach the melee camp regulary, yeha sure, you get a boosted CT on the boss

but like, in my raid its REALLY rare that hyenas ever go into melee at all, so it feels kinda wasted to pick CT and then use it 3x in total

[coral ibex]

yea same

[hardy rapids]

ALL 10'S TIMED GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[haughty flicker]

Lmao

[hardy rapids]

FINALLY

[haughty flicker]

My guild should do this

[red schooner]

what even is life i had a book i wanted to read lmao

i am hearing my raid leader slowly losing the will to live

with each missed bomb

[royal lantern]

gz

[coral ibex]

have you ever played a katamari game

[red schooner]

yup

[coral ibex]

if yes it is literally so easy

[red schooner]

I'm okay on the balls, our issue was initial damage to the territorial bastards

Which... not my strongsuit

[coral ibex]

roll over hyenas/4 smalls, roll over scrapmasters/4 mediums, roll into balls/boss

[royal lantern]

if you want to know REAL "RL is losing all hope" moment

on our kill night of the boss, it was when discord had some problems

so we did 2 pulls without any voicechat

they where both our best pulls at that point

when discord worked again he just said in the most depressed voice ever "are you even listening to me????"

[red schooner]

Though first raid one of our boomkins was running single target build

On stix

i swear to god i hate boomkins

[coral ibex]

its hard not to doom when people are still running into bombshells

[red schooner]

they're not real

[coral ibex]

100+ pulls in

saying "oh i didn't see it"

[acoustic sky]

Why my cds are like this :

[coral ibex]

when the liquid wa pack literally puts a huge AVOID texture over the bombshells

[acoustic sky]

And not like :

[coral ibex]

like you cannot miss it

[red schooner]

yeah he's just slowly dooming

ye we're running liquid wa

as well

doesn't seem to help

[coral ibex]

i swear people are just fucking mentally filtered

[red schooner]

also one of the chickens fucking swerved past a bomb to send the ball into the boss

CHICKENS

I SWEAR

TO GOD

[haughty flicker]

I think our boomkin trial is doing this

[red schooner]

NOT EVEN PEOPLE

[haughty flicker]

Because I’m doing like 3/4x his damage to bombshells

As boomkin not rogue

[red schooner]

feral druids i can respect, they're just like us, they just want to bleed. good guys.

Boomkins? Maniacs.

[coral ibex]

tell me how the fuck do you run into this

[spice spire]

Tell them

[haughty flicker]

But I haven’t looked into why that’s happening

[red schooner]

I linked this in the guild discord its fine https://m.twitch.tv/method/clip/ColorfulCuteKeyboardOSsloth-c1jrBiFcA53dV5sa

[coral ibex]

it says AVOID

and you have a big green arrow pointing at the thing you need to pick up

i dont get it man

xd

[red schooner]

ye i know

but ye i'm chilling i got music on, watching chaos

[coral ibex]

all RL dooming on stix is 100% deserved

[red schooner]

not incurring repair bills

[lunar sonnet]

is there any known issue with blindside causing stutters?

i was trying to find out what these random stutters were and ive traced it back to whenever blindside procs.
i turned all my addons off and it just stutters when i proc/consume blindside -- its not a long stutter just definitely noticeable and irritating
removed blindside, spamming mutilate with no stuttering, i recorded my game while testing both

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-dance-starfall-dancing-moonkin-gif-20256106

[red schooner]

if only our boomkin did this in the first night of stix prog

instead of running st build

[lost wharf]

Is the magnet interaction with Lingering Darkness in the sim?

[red schooner]

our raid team is very disfunctional, I am just a different kind of disfunctional.

[coral ibex]

our boomie is doing straight up 50% more damage to the adds on stix than the next highest

[royal lantern]

boomkins and ret paladins function the same way man

if a 2nd hp bar enters their field of vision, all buttons on their keyboard get removed except divine storm/starfall

[jaunty sky]

sometimes you just need the pure silence or loud music to lock in

[coral ibex]

[red schooner]

first night on stix i was in, i did like 60% of the damage of one of the boomkins to bombshells that were above 80% hp

as sin

[royal lantern]

yeha but did you see how hard he fucked the hyenas??

[spice spire]

Do not fuck the hyenas

[red schooner]

like i chat shit it i'm not exactly great but i can at least roll balls so its fine probs

[coral ibex]

"dont check the boss damage logs"

[royal lantern]

im a ethical melee dps, i would never

[spice spire]

[brave comet]

on second DM kingsbane is not up

[brave comet]

cause stix was flying should i just send it anyway?

[red schooner]

i'm an ethical melee dps, i hit the boss. if me hitting the boss somehow happens to cause damage to adds, then thats not my fault

[haughty flicker]

Boomkin op

Me boom

[brave comet]

or should i not use Kingsbane the second time until DM is ready?

[haughty flicker]

Me Kin

[red schooner]

send it

[coral ibex]

if you hold cds that never happens

hold until 38s

then send on cd

[red schooner]

wait how did your kingsbane and dm get desynced?

[coral ibex]

and you get good overlap with the adds too

[haughty flicker]

Boss flys as kb comes up if you send on pull

Can use but he takes no damage

[red schooner]

oh, stix, shit yeah

[coral ibex]

surely tomorrow we one shot stix and go right to OAB

we were just tired after sprocket

[haughty flicker]

[red schooner]

surely tonight they kill stix and we begin sprocket monday

if only

[rocky flicker]

Are there any mythics that I should run as hybrid? Like Top?

[haughty flicker]

Surely tonight I play bg3

[rocky flicker]

Talking about 12+ and up

[coral ibex]

if you want to play bg3 i have a suggestion

spend $6 on guild wars 1 instead

[red schooner]

i should do a replay of that, new subclasses lets go

[coral ibex]

that game owns

and is in the same vein as bg3

[haughty flicker]

I’ve meant to try guild wars 1 for a long time

[royal lantern]

what

[coral ibex]

its a crpg

but with more online elements

[royal lantern]

what??

[coral ibex]

it used to masquerade as an mmo

[royal lantern]

man, what did you drink

[coral ibex]

what

im just talking about guild wars 1

its a not-mmo

its online but you can hire npcs for your party and play solo

and is buy to play with no sub

[lucid silo]

can you even play gw1 anymore

[coral ibex]

yea

there's literally a 20th anniversary event right now

its on sale for $6

[haughty flicker]

GW1 is significantly different than GW2, it is basically just an rpg pretending to have mmo features

[coral ibex]

the whole gw1 trilogy

vanilla, factions, and nightfall

[lucid silo]

i hated gw2

[coral ibex]

gw1 is nothing like gw2

[haughty flicker]

Yeah very different

Although I don’t dislike gw2 either

[coral ibex]

they're gonna keep gw1 servers online for as long as gw2 keeps making money

[brave comet]

hold kib until 38th second?

[haughty flicker]

Just doesn’t have the staying power for me that wow does

[coral ibex]

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[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810298051281420308/1361810278391742604/20250406-173250-GibbsHelmholtz-id6573762.mp4?ex=6800c4e7&is=67ff7367&hm=5c45b40c948c0939b9d518e87962e3055c28ef45df3278963afe0ff88c4e21e1&

[coral ibex]

its an "mmo"

[haughty flicker]

I want to play divinity again too

I have most of them on stream from a bundle

[chilly marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[storm hedge]

Yo. Does Junkmaestro still work with lingering?

[dapper cradle]

yeah it does

[brave comet]

god thank you so much

[hearty seal]

okay what the fuck
why is spatter basically always superior to internal bleeding as long as you get even 10% effective uptime on it, like on Cauldron
is internal bleeding just a consolation prize for "oh, you don't get to spatter anything at all this fight, here, take these 1.5% bonus damage, maybe it'll help a bit"

[chilly marsh]

the wowhead Overall Best in Slot Gear is for ST only?

was wondering if theres one for m+

[dapper cradle]

i mean, that's just the way it's tuned

not sure how else to answer that question

caustic tuning good, IB tuning bad

[hearty seal]

yeh that's the question, why is it like that
like internal would need a 300% buff to be competitive even in fights where spatter has very little uptime

[royal lantern]

because IB does fuckall dmg

[hearty seal]

should be an obvious change

[royal lantern]

and spatter does dmg based on other stuff

thats it

[dapper cradle]

there's no perfect "overall bis" -- the one on wowhead is just one of the many bis profiles that all sim within a few .x% of each other

[royal lantern]

sim your stuff

stop looking at tier lists or BiS lists

[coral ibex]

your question is why is rogue tuning like that and the answer is we dont know, the dev might be in a coma tbh

[dapper cradle]

yeah, best to just sim yourself

[lucid rune]

Is Whispyr our Ellesmere?

[royal lantern]

who is ellesmere

[chilly marsh]

i cna buy everything on trial realms i wanted to check THE BIS

[royal lantern]

its literally 1 of the 2000000000000000 different "bis" setups

"bis" doesnt exist in modern wow mate

[lucid rune]

lol #1 hpal/theorycrafter

[royal lantern]

outside of like, trinkets

[chilly marsh]

i bet with you the teams pushing for the MDI will use the same gear soon

[royal lantern]

what do you even mean with that

[gritty laurel]

but you do get to spatter on cauldron during the clashes, which is why you take caustic on that fight

[chilly marsh]

exactly that if you can buy everything max level we will have an absolute BIS list

[coral ibex]

like the most recent relevant balance changes we got were minor bleed buffs that made bleed build relevant again, and nerfing our old 2p so gearing made more sense this season

[hearty seal]

well yeah, of course I do, like the only fight caustic doesn't work on is Lockenstock (not sure about mythic, we're clearing heroic rn)

[haughty flicker]

Someone didn’t watch the video of whispyr scrolls through 80 gear sets within margin of error

[royal lantern]

like, bro, what the hell

people use what gear they have avaible and the best possible trinkets, thats it

If they have the choice, they sim and get like 50 different results what will be "bis" and then pick one

[haughty flicker]

MDI teams will all pick the same gear because they aren’t all going to sim 100 different combinations that are within margin of each other, they’ll just pick one and use it

[royal lantern]

like, "bis" in modern wow is such a dumb concept because it literally doesnt exist

you change 1 talent? your "bis" just changed

you do a different dungeon? your "bis" just changed

you do a raidboss 30sec faser? your "bis" just changed

[coral ibex]

well for some specs with very strict stat priorities bis lists make more sense

not us tho

[hearty seal]

ngl kinda tempted to build haste next season

[royal lantern]

like, you can always go "yeha but if i go 2% more haste instead of crit its better" and then you change 1 talent and suddenly its a different result

[coral ibex]

im pretty sure fire mage wants haste on literally every piece

[haughty flicker]

Based haste enjoyers

[hearty seal]

see if 25% haste makes shit more fun in ST

[lucid silo]

some classes need specific trinkets to line up with cooldowns or stats

[royal lantern]

what shold it do

[haughty flicker]

Trinkets are normally an exception

Because there is normally 1-2 that are just significantly better than the rest

[royal lantern]

trinkets are literally the only thing where BiS exists, cus there are objectively best trinket options

[haughty flicker]

For everyone

[dapper cradle]

not even true for all specs tho

but I agree with you in general

[lucid silo]

i dont think most classes have such similar stat values as us

[dapper cradle]

i want you bro so bad

haha mistell

[haughty flicker]

Then you have outlaw that just picks the damage trinket with the highest ilvl

[hearty seal]

energy regen and shit
BL gives 40% and seems to actually start filling energy faster than I spend it, I think

[haughty flicker]

[royal lantern]

outlaw scales with the amount of green text on items

[royal lantern]

not really

haste has barely a effect on energy

[lucid silo]

outlaw scales with carpal tunnel

[gritty laurel]

you probably are getting BL during DM windows, which is when energy explodes

[royal lantern]

10% haste is 1 more energy generation each second (aka 1 single mutilate in a full minute) and a little bit energy from more dot ticks

[hearty seal]

I mean
it also makes dots proc faster, which should proc venomous more often

[royal lantern]

like, you dont go from "assa is slow" to "assa is GCD locked" because you have haste

[coral arrow]

guys in raid st how many combo points do we use per spender?

+5?

[gritty laurel]

always 5+

you ignore that supercharger exists and follow the standard combo point rules

[coral arrow]

ok perfect thanks

[normal mist]

And 7 for DN

[hearty seal]

ofc yeah, DM by itself refills energy
but this time I got BL when I had like 20s left to DM, and energy still seemed to surge decently

[spice spire]

What’s dn