assassination

[balmy condor]

yep

[wooden timber]

hmm ok

funny hero talent

[wise whale]

rip I've been vanishing for last 6 of kb

[wooden timber]

maybe i just play regular for sprocket

[balmy condor]

gotta sim yourself between MA and VV

they're close enough where it depends on the character

wowhead is up to date

[haughty flicker]

swap between deathstalker and fatebound every pull

so you dont fall asleep

[dreamy rover]

thank you very much @balmy condor

really

❤️

you saved my day

[balmy condor]

it hurts

[buoyant herald]

I swap between sin and outlaw every pull for this exact reason

[balmy condor]

but I'm glad to help

[pliant remnant]

Spit on him, Whispyr

and make him say sorry for it

[wise whale]

Show me where on the doll the community touched you

[wooden timber]

[onyx coyote]

I'm a little confused on the wowhead rotation generator. If I go bleed does my rotation change a lot? or is it just rupture over evenom? For MPLus.

[wooden timber]

but if i flip 15 heads in a row they will bfuf sub

[dreamy rover]

ill transform the whole wowhead guide into a brainrot video and watch it on repeat

[balmy condor]

I mean like he said not doing damage in a +15 so I started checking less important things

I didn't think bro just

didn't understand how his main cooldown worked

[dreamy rover]

i though dm was useless tbf

[pliant remnant]

[balmy condor]

thats on me tho I should've started from the easy and gone up

[dreamy rover]

only useful with KB

[balmy condor]

the other way around homie

KB does insane damage with DM

and not insane out of it

[dreamy rover]

nice

[balmy condor]

DM is always good

[dreamy rover]

now i learn

by being publicly humiliated

but i learn

[coral ledge]

lmao

[pliant remnant]

I've noticed this a lot

[onyx coyote]

public humilation is how rogues show love

[balmy condor]

those spikes are deathmark

the mini spikes are shiv

[pliant remnant]

people seem to be really Kingsbane-pilled

[onyx coyote]

that and a dagger to the spleen

[buoyant herald]

I’ve said it before but the best way to learn in here is to confidently say something incorrect

[coral ledge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[coral ledge]

@dreamy rover

[buoyant herald]

You’ll get aggressively corrected almost instantly every time

[dreamy rover]

true

ok now i know and will do damage

(i think, maybe, possibly)

[onyx coyote]

I've been gettign confused cause the guides don't agree anymore.

[worn geyser]

sorry think i understand this but just to make sure, on opener you use vanish to reapply pandemic improved garrote, but on second cd set, you cast vanish before DM to get improved garrote to duplicate? cause that 4th picture to me means cast vanish after dm which then wouldnt get the improved garrote duplicate right or does DM dynamically update

[slim copper]

shit i can attest to that. Made me better at ass rogue though.

[balmy condor]

yes

DM dynamically updates

[slim copper]

and the occasional swatting from whispyr when we say something stupid lmao

[worn geyser]

dope ty that is crazy

[stark halo]

I got HoC as an option in Vault this week on Heroic, is it better than my Mechano Amp and Imp Seaforium? Sims are saying HoC is a dps loss

Mechano and Seaforium are both Heroic track as well

[buoyant herald]

Very strange that the best on use in the game would be showing a loss vs 2 passive trinkets on a cd class

[wooden timber]

i have all 3 of these and sims want me to use hoc/seaforium

[buoyant herald]

But link sim and I’m sure someone can help

[wooden timber]

so i think it depends on ur gear or ur simming something weird

[stark halo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1fkZPHenrxEWSKmhn3inZm

[chrome mirage]

For fatebound, do we macro CB to KB?

I feel like I saw that somewhere

[buoyant herald]

It was in the pins I think but it’s been edited since

[west smelt]

That's also the trick to stack overflow

[buoyant herald]

I think it’s the trick to learning in any community tbh

Human nature type shit

[hidden bay]

Yea

[viscid spear]

[stark halo]

If anyone gets a second to check why HoC isn't an upgrade with my current setup, please let me know! Have to go back to parenting now.

[short pine]

i think it works very well

my life was better before i learned what a parse was

now it’s my banner to remind me of my mediocrity

less then such.

[slate crown]

Just remember you inflict this pain upon yourself and you have the power to stop caring about them at any time .

You're worth more than your parses

[short pine]

I am

hence they should be higher..

this is a shame i cannot forget…

[haughty flicker]

i did a bad thing

[short pine]

i would’ve found out eventually bel its okay it’s not your fault..

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

never fill your vault

[viscid spear]

[near valley]

true and real

[buoyant herald]

Easy signet angle surely

[near valley]

most likely to hit in the first 2 slots

just common sense

[balmy condor]

blizzard rigs the vault so when you don't fill it, you get the thing you want because it makes you believe in the vault and so you're more likely to fill it in the future and raise the playrate metrics

[ionic kiln]

I believe that's very true.

[balmy condor]

MISTER LOCK N STALK

[viscid spear]

But if you got the thing you want you're less likely to care now

[balmy condor]

IS THERE A MISSUS LOCK N STALK

[buoyant herald]

I had 4 myth slots this week and 3 were outlaw weapons

When it rains, it pours

[balmy condor]

actually when it rains, its wet

[viscid spear]

For me, when it rains I get hit by lightning

[balmy condor]

god I wish

wish that it was me that got hit by lightning

[balmy condor]

not wish that you got hit by lightning

[viscid spear]

We can get struck together

[balmy condor]

my sim doesn't even want the signet

oh, cause fatebound

[viscid spear]

Have your Sim make baby with the Grim Reaper

Oh you mean Raidbots

[balmy condor]

it wants the hero track crit ring cause it's parched like a mfer in the desert

[viscid spear]

[hidden bay]

Very nice. What did you pick

[balmy condor]

your mom, she was the nicest of the bunch

[hidden bay]

Very nice

I hope you step on Lego right before you hit your little toe

[balmy condor]

oh thank you

I'm into that

toes? say less

step on? hell yeah

[short pine]

paws

[balmy condor]

[inland dirge]

[balmy condor]

ipsa

[inland dirge]

whispyr

[balmy condor]

do I take a myth signet from vault cause it's the obvious take

or do I take a hero track 90% crit ring cause sim says it's better for fatebound and it would be funny

[haughty flicker]

ues

[normal mist]

Just sim it bro

[haughty flicker]

or yes

[balmy condor]

it doesn't want to upgrade the ring

it just wants it like that

[normal mist]

LOL

[haughty flicker]

real

[inland dirge]

tough call

signet owns but shitposting value cannot be easily discarded

[haughty flicker]

if you get the ring for fatebound you kill sprocket immediately

take the hit for your guild

[inland dirge]

what if... you master loot yourself myth house of cards and take ring

ez

[balmy condor]

bro is cooking

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/action-jaxon-fire-gif-21553823

[normal mist]

If you put on an helmet you can call yourself master chief

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-master-chief-nod-nodding-pablo-schreiber-gif-26177401

[haughty flicker]

big helmet

or

turban ig

[balmy condor]

high helmet

[normal mist]

I might get curve tomorrow btw, pretty hyped

1 week gaming Lets go

[haughty flicker]

i had to choose between socket for helmet or boots from first boss in vault

[haughty flicker]

huge

[normal mist]

642 atm, most loot will go to me since they don't really need it

[balmy condor]

you had to choose between a socket for your helmet or boots? You cant socket boots.... Also why are you doing first boss of vault, eranog doesn't drop anything of value except the fire ring

so confused

[normal mist]

The only 3 things I'm missing currently is offhand neck and head (S2)

[haughty flicker]

very funny but also you reminded me i never got ring from eranog despite doing it on 4 difficulties every week so thanks for that

[normal mist]

Just loot it bro

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-steven-he-emotional-damage-gif-23428142

[normal mist]

Use dinars

[haughty flicker]

speaking of dinars

how much do we bet the update they mentioned is that they arent coming until .7

[balmy condor]

speaking of dinars, when it @inland dirge taking me out to dinar

[inland dirge]

be right there

[viscid spear]

I won't get Eye until Dinars are a thing, I guarantee it

[west crown]

does shiv hit through the walls on mugzee?

[sonic schooner]

but whispyr

eranog ring op op

gotta do vault every week

[balmy condor]

no

[fallen orbit]

i hope since beginning of season i may get first good vault

[runic hinge]

give me

[fallen orbit]

he knows how to trick blizzard

may try it next week

[tall atlas]

Do you even want it

[gray horizon]

Anyone got import strings for the different builds so i can be lazy

[tall atlas]

Is a mythic pacemaker not better?

[hollow river]

You can craft 629 gear with weathered crests without using sparks

Helps a lot at the beginning if you need em, cheap too

[normal mist]

I'm 642, the pieces I'm missing are basically that same ilvl:p

[hollow river]

Ahh

I’ve been crafting them when I start my alts

[normal mist]

Depending on drops tomorrow i'll craft a neck 558 or something

[hollow river]

And once you finish the Delver’s Journey you can buy BoA veteran gear as well

It’s quite nice for alts

[plain spruce]

anyone know why shiv macro isnt working for me. I dont have any tea in my bags or bank

#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[normal mist]

Pog. I'm already using my 2nd Rogue to buy Wpvp gear so I can get 3 in 1

[cinder geode]

would yall use arterial for vexie ?

[balmy condor]

everything except sprocketmonger

[hollow river]

I’m going for a few of the mythic mogs this season :p

[cinder geode]

okie

[normal mist]

I kinda want the warrior one ngl

Matches the legendary axe quite well

[hollow river]

I’m doing rogue/dh/dk/hunter

[normal mist]

Hunter is BiS

[hollow river]

Just slowly getting hero gear on hunterfrom vault each week to upgrade later

[normal mist]

One of the greatest of all time

[hollow river]

So true

Legit the only reason I’m playing it

[normal mist]

"I might not like the class but you bet that if I ever do, I'll have cool tmogs for it"

[tall atlas]

The monk set this season is cool

[worthy rose]

happy vault day frens

did you guys all get something good

[gritty laurel]

another piece of myth tier, can't complain

[hollow river]

[slim copper]

assume we run CS on H Gally?

[hollow river]

I wish I could use the mog on shaman or something

[chrome mirage]

Can we cloak the knockback on sprocket?

[buoyant herald]

Definitely

[slim copper]

what about CT?

[gritty laurel]

no but you can cloak to make sure landing in lightning doesn't kill you

[slim copper]

probably not worth taking points out of other talents right?

[balmy condor]

you don't run CT on anything in heroic

[vapid sierra]

what do yall do on stix? just rup[ture adds for the agi % and for energy on death?

[slim copper]

ok thanks

[buoyant herald]

You probably don’t have scent of blood in your build on stix unless going for add pad

It’s usually just spatter away and pretend they don’t exist

[vapid sierra]

but dont i need rupture on them for spatter

[gritty laurel]

correct

you just rip fat envenoms and watch your name skyrocket in details

[buoyant herald]

No, spatter is procced off the boss

The adds just take the splash damage no matter what

[balmy condor]

scent of blood on stix is insane

CT on mythic can be worth

but that's about it

[vapid sierra]

im on heroic

had to give up mythic prog with school

[gritty laurel]

which means the adds die even faster, making scent even less worthwhile

[balmy condor]

oh

well then you just play regular build with caustic

[vapid sierra]

yeah thats what i swapped, saw it was the most popular thing on wowhead by a mile

thanks

[muted nebula]

I am having a problem that i am doing good dps usually top dps the first half of the boss then my stamina starts to stop replenishing which lead to dps drop so bad how can i avoid this mistake?

[buoyant herald]

If you only don’t use caustic on one boss, doesn’t that make caustic the “regular” build 🤔

[balmy condor]

play a spec that doesn't do that

outlaw maybe

[buoyant herald]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[muted nebula]

I am asking where is the mistake am doing

[balmy condor]

that's not a mistake

[buoyant herald]

In fact it’s so normal there’s an entire command for the explanation

[muted nebula]

But am seeing assin rogues on raids and m+ that eats the dps meeter

Until boss dies

[little relic]

could someone explain to me if i'm simming something correctly? i have a 665 neck simming higher than a 675 weapon in my vault. i'm guessing it's because my current neck is due for an upgrade? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gcC8BF3JdRBFSx38eg1eHi

[buoyant herald]

If you’re seeing assass rogues that top meter from start to finish then they’re playing with monkeys

[gritty laurel]

yeah, sin starts off strong, goes into energy starvation mode, then finishes up with zoldyck

[hollow river]

Assa ST isn’t very good in m+ builds, but it’s aoe is very good

Assa ST in raid build is decent

But energy regen is always going to be low in ST on this spec

[gritty laurel]

i'd say assa ST in raid is fantastic, but hard swapping to adds is dogshit

[balmy condor]

gear compare I'm going to be sick

uh

[muted nebula]

Okay i am new rogue

Which harder assassination or sub

And which better

[slim copper]

yes

[buoyant herald]

Sub harder

[prisma carbon]

if i wanna cleave the goons on m mugzee, do i have to position in a certain way or is it up to tank placement?

[buoyant herald]

Assass probably better overall

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

read the prioy thing

[drifting cloud]

is that neck only 48k because your priory is fucked

[balmy condor]

first bullet point

[dreamy rover]

IM ON THE RAID I CANT READ GUIDE

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[dreamy rover]

WHAT DO I DROP FOR AP

[balmy condor]

ttb

[buoyant herald]

Tank and prison placement

[dreamy rover]

TYVM

[gritty laurel]

absolute clutch save there

[hollow river]

They’re both good. Assa is mostly about upkeeping bleeds and proper CD usage
Sub is all about proper CD usage and basically planning ahead

[dreamy rover]

YOURE THE GOOOOAT

[little relic]

ty

[hollow river]

Most people feel assa is easier from what I’ve seen

[muted nebula]

Thanks

[buoyant herald]

Assass is performing better on aggregate but sub is usually better for doing tasks due to its insane burst capability (and its tankier) so you often see it on prog

[balmy condor]

tank

[hollow river]

Would recommend reading the guides if you haven’t, they help a lot

[short pine]

sin feels so easy in mythics like i never read anything just picked up a build and ran with it but in raid i feel like a complete dumbass stepping into this season

[spice spire]

That’s insane

[hardy rapids]

Yeah the class guides for rogue are like the only genuinely solid class guides

on wowhead at least

[spice spire]

Because the difficulty is opposite of that

M+ requires a lot more brain power

And raid is gabagool press your button spec

[quaint flare]

think sin in m+ still has low skill floor, but its ceiling is really high right

[hollow river]

[drifting cloud]

stop calling me out

[spice spire]

Bbgirl

I’m calling us out

[short pine]

should my max possible damage in raid be what my sim says? because thats basically what i got before but my parse says im a shitter

[hollow river]

Bleed build is quite easy in m+, it’s a vibe

[viscid spear]

[short pine]

grats

[hollow river]

Not really no

[spice spire]

Gz

[slim copper]

grats

[coral ibex]

exceeding your sim is indication of good play

[hardy rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-clap-applause-standing-ovation-gif-15648815

[coral ibex]

since the sim is an average

[spice spire]

Timing of the fight matters etc etc

Obviously you dome a 2m fight

You should exceed a 5m sim

[vapid sierra]

mastery stacked out of my mind
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8W569CmLRUt7NTfQPgGbcF

[viscid spear]

Lost Eye roll

[buoyant herald]

Also 7/8 fights have adds to spatter so you should be outperforming a ST sim

[viscid spear]

Also lost Jastor roll

[worthy rose]

dont worry

dinars are coming one day

[short pine]

how do i check other peoples damage? like the top of the parse board i guess

i dont even remember where i saw my parse in the first place

[drifting cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/42 ?

[short pine]

im so confused at what im looking at

oh ok wait

i may be stupid...

[spice spire]

Twins

[true tapir]

anyone got an opener for the bleed build ST? I feel like im doing something wrong

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[viscid spear]

Checking if double Bandit daggers beats out a Bandit/Rik combo

[spice spire]

No crafted?

[viscid spear]

I get bitches

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-gif-25291163

[viscid spear]

[steel stone]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nJQPm4Hg7aYfhwNK?fight=4&source=10&type=casts&ability=360194&view=events

how did this guy cast deathmark twice 1 minute apart?

[coral ibex]

bugged log

[buoyant herald]

Log manipulation

[dreamy rover]

bugged log

[steel stone]

ah

[buoyant herald]

It’s not real

[steel stone]

was tearing my hair out thinking I just didn't understand something

[viscid spear]

Isn't there a Mastery soft cap?

[balmy condor]

no

[viscid spear]

I have a lot of it nonetheless

[lethal arrow]

0 eye of kezans seen since the raid launched

lets goooo

[buoyant herald]

We’ve seen one

Killed him week 2

Not like you need it to compete at least, it’s no spymasters / transmitter of even HoC levels of power

[lethal arrow]

yeah i dont (i have one)

we also killed him week 2

got mine from the timewalking cache

[buoyant herald]

lol true, feels that way

[lethal arrow]

but ppl do need it that arent me

[buoyant herald]

I had a rat warlock last season with hero spymasters from the 4xm0 cache

[lethal arrow]

yeah we had a rat last season take heroic poisoned pact

and then not use it

[buoyant herald]

Classic

[lethal arrow]

and also left in silken prog

[buoyant herald]

Good thing about strong items from last boss is that it keeps mains coming back to heroic clears and skips

[worthy rose]

is it just me or is the rogue set piece gear deisgn this time around absolutely horrid

its like some halloween scarecrow

mr pumpkin head type shi

[buoyant herald]

Above average imo

But overly thematic stuff is usually polarising

[worthy rose]

the raidfinder one looks the best

unironically

the mythic one is too pumpkin-y

[buoyant herald]

Yeah I’d agree with that

[nimble tartan]

can i evasion bombs on mugzee?

[viscid tide]

im assuming that energy hunger is a nortmal thing for assass?

[jolly heath]

Yes but need to face the bomb

[buoyant herald]

Yes

[charred obsidian]

why do you think it has ass twice in its name

[worthy rose]

because you get all the bitches when u play assassination

ass on both sides

[charred obsidian]

lol

[slim copper]

can someone share me talent string for H Gally?

[balmy condor]

same as every other fight

[vapid sierra]

st and use spatter instead of ib

[turbid sandal]

why is shaddowstep so whacked on Gally?

[balmy condor]

cause he's floating

[turbid sandal]

ow

[vapid sierra]

do you sepnd cp at 5-6-7 or 6-7

[turbid sandal]

so step to adds instead

[slim copper]

i know its gonna feel like shit but its gross until adds spawn lol

[charred obsidian]

Hook > Shadowstep

[gritty laurel]

hook this

[charred obsidian]

oh my

[viscid spear]

[gritty laurel]

jastor and eye are waiting in your vault, i can feel it

[worthy rose]

if in doubt

just use dinars

[viscid spear]

Need to goon a bunch of 10's this week, really need a Pacemaker

[hallow glade]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[velvet ridge]

is like house of cards even good though

minute 1:30 cd :yikes :

[worthy rose]

second best trinket for assassination

but depends

[turbid lion]

just use it every 2 min

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/head-explode-mind-blown-gif-11038567854390045170

[balmy condor]

b...b...b.b..but cooldowns on cooldown?

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor you can tell when the tier has been out for a while when even you guys stop doing heroic

but well tbh if you extend and raid on reset day the HC skip is probably worth doing just for fast crests

[balmy condor]

we have seen 2 house of cards

across all of normal/heroic

we did last 3 normal today to get our frost dk a HoC

[drifting cloud]

frost dk

[balmy condor]

yeh

normal HoC was +55k over his transmitter

[drifting cloud]

did it get buffed today

[balmy condor]

idk

he's just a frost enjoyer

[drifting cloud]

how is it 55k wtf

[snow hamlet]

[drifting cloud]

oh maybe some DK mastery stuff no clue what it do

[snow hamlet]

Where is the rogue buff

[haughty flicker]

frost did get buffed

and deathbringer

big stonks

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2zaDemSfaKZSkN34NVUpaC

[drifting cloud]

yeah I wasnt accusing you of lying lmao like I said must be some dk shit

[balmy condor]

yeh yeh

just showing

cause it looks insane

[drifting cloud]

is pvp trinket worse than transmitter for them if you know

[balmy condor]

no clue

[worthy rose]

did he get both best in slot weapon AND the house of cards?

[cerulean nest]

didnt get Lucky Coin until the last minute of sprocket 🙂

what a cool hero tree

[balmy condor]

I think we gave him the rik weapon like 2 weeks ago

[worthy rose]

ooh

trying to see the differences to make sense of the 55k

thats huge

[drifting cloud]

house of cards does do that yeah

friend of mine didnt play s1 so no transmitter so HC HOC was over 100k on his ww when he had stinky trinkets

[worthy rose]

you could potentially still get it from raidfinder now right?

can youstill clear the normal mode nerub ar and get the loot?

[drifting cloud]

you could but thats mostly only done for tmog farming

or achievement runs

[night flame]

is OL or sin more forgiving for keys?
like low gearing keys, not pushing keys

[hot oriole]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[wide flame]

how do i get the buff from rik barrels though

is fan enough to count as a hit

[coral ibex]

what buff are you talking about

[wide flame]

excitement

[uncut dawn]

Bleed build works more than fine for assa in lower keys. I don't think it's worth swapping spec for.

[coral ibex]

6% haste

yea fan is prob enough

[dreamy rover]

tyvm for answer ryler

best opener is the one on wowhead then

[drifting cloud]

yeah sims have always done weird things in openers

because alot of it is +-0.1%

and afaik the openers arent hardcoded in or anything but not sure

[balmy condor]

we don't hardcode openers, correct

some specs do, not rogue

[tawdry flume]

is there a dps loss for not taken both non-leathals? trying to see if its okay to drop criple

[sacred arch]

not really but why would you not do both non-lethals

[balmy condor]

you lose a stack of lethal dose

[late narwhal]

The talent Lethal Dose increases the damage of bleeds, weapon poisons, and nature damage over time. So unless it is not worded correctly (which Blizz has done before) then it would be a slight damage decrease.

[tawdry flume]

for raid. makes the bombshell move way to slow

[balmy condor]

and you're the slow?

that's impressive

there's usually much stronger slows from way more people

crippling in raid should basically never be the slow applied

[vital flicker]

You just gotta talent into the improved crippling, just drop a useless talent like strategem for it

[dreamy rover]

diabolical work

yo whispyr i let you down today ill try to be better tomorrow

[coral ibex]

@golden loom 1 hour to kill?

[lethal arrow]

@balmy condor ur guild not running rogue on lock?

[balmy condor]

they weren't, no

I'm the only rogue

[runic hinge]

are you still getting comcasted?

[balmy condor]

it's stable now

speed is still sus

but no lag/crashing

[lethal arrow]

interesting

[balmy condor]

what is

[lethal arrow]

no rogue

but my guild has no choice

[haughty flicker]

brother their rogue was getting comcasted

[balmy condor]

well yeah

[lethal arrow]

so my ass is in whether i like it or not

[haughty flicker]

they didnt have a choice either

[balmy condor]

hard to have a rogue when the rogue can't log in

[lethal arrow]

ohh

LOL

i thought it was a comp choice lmao

[limpid lava]

2 vault in row !!!! yessss

[dreamy rover]

dragon tempered blades should be a spec passive not a talent change my mind

[balmy condor]

I am in by default on every boss prog

[haughty flicker]

another night of stix prog

another night of people who never played katamari demacy

also i still cant play sin on riccardo 😦

[main blaze]

Dont worry. It will just end one day and then you get to look forward to reclears...

[haughty flicker]

yeah im benching myself on reclears

[stiff mortar]

is this the real whispyr

[dreamy rover]

celebrity

[haughty flicker]

[alpine nebula]

does caustic spatter cleave off the target or the player? I'm having trouble cleaving adds on gallywix

what do

[dreamy rover]

CHECK PINTS

[alpine nebula]

ok you got me

[dreamy rover]

its too complicated to explain in words theres nice images

[hearty seal]

ah well, not a terrible drop all things considered, had a choice between a belt (kinda trash) and a ring (good substat ratio, lets me actually put on a new neck without jeopardizing priory+pacemaker combos)

third slot was useless boots tho

(again)

[golden loom]

Cya in 30min when boss is dead

[coral ibex]

already wiped on it 3x

[haughty flicker]

trust

its dead tonight

[coral ibex]

i hate playing fatebound

[haughty flicker]

im going to disable the coin tracker le has on her wa

otherwise i might lose my mind lmao

[dreamy rover]

youre playing fatebound during stix prog?

[strange sleet]

yeeeeeeeeees. I had full trust

[grand trail]

we winning finally wep

[golden loom]

U guys are psycho for progging as fatebound

[jolly heath]

just wondering does the bleed build favor vers for dslice sims for everyone else, i swap from sub to sin with minimal haste and recrafting from vers to haste only give me 0.2% upgrade lol

[coral ibex]

we would fucking kill

on the only pull

i dont get the capstone

i've been ruined

i hate this hero talent

[cerulean nest]

same with me tonight lol

no lucky coin the whole pull until the very end

so engaging and cool

[coral ibex]

[dreamy rover]

[balmy condor]

Definitive proof that fatebound sucks

Pack it up

[coral ibex]

you have no idea how bad i was dooming

every time

i get 6

[dapper halo]

https://tenor.com/view/nzxt-get-along-gif-13344549

man alexander skarsgard is hot

[golden loom]

Gz on the kill big dawg

[coral ibex]

pack me up its joever

[golden loom]

But what did I tell you

FATEBOUND AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL

[balmy condor]

Fatebound might be the only hero talent that has deep deep lows, and no highs

The high of fatebound is like maybe doing more burst sometimes

[lethal arrow]

yeah im also our only rogue so im default in

but im also one of the good players

[dreamy rover]

not even the coin obsessed people are playing this shitty talent at this point

fuck coin talent

[lethal arrow]

so means im default in probably even if i wasnt rogue

[cerulean nest]

the more CPs feels nice kinda

[runic hinge]

I swear I see 6 more often than anything

[coral ibex]

the opener can be cool when you have like a 14 streak

[runic hinge]

Either than or just back and forth between them

Never streak

[coral ibex]

i just hate how i have no influence at all

it makes me want to say gamer words i should have left in 2010

[golden loom]

Instead you had a 1 into 4 into 1 into 4 streak

[coral ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3X2WknqyCKw7TQ1P?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=14

[golden loom]

Imagine you extend now and you are stuck with a fatebound parse

[coral ibex]

back to stix

[coral ibex]

unlikely

[dapper halo]

the wall of disappointment has spoken, time to go back to sleep

[coral ibex]

we're still on day 1 of reclear

with 30 mins left

3 day guild

[haughty flicker]

[golden loom]

OAB dead in 20

[haughty flicker]

hate sticks so much

[haughty flicker]

i have faith

ngl rik into stix has been like

the least fun ive had raiding in a very long time

lmao

[worthy rose]

i still need to find a group to do a heroic aotc clear

[cinder geode]

im a bit confused, something is wrong my ST rotation but i cant quite figure it out, im comparing logs and for some reason the better parse has more envenom casts than me, but i literally have DOUBLE his mutilate casts

[golden loom]

Are u not finishing on 5+

[cinder geode]

i am finishing on 5+

[golden loom]

Idk just crit

[cinder geode]

thats what im wondering because idk how he has the combo points to use more envenoms that hit harder than mine but with so little mutilate casts

[haughty flicker]

[golden loom]

How many ambush casts do you have

[cinder geode]

25

[runic hinge]

are you playing with VV

[cinder geode]

ah so thats why

yeah im playing VV

[runic hinge]

oh shit he just dusted you on procs lol

[golden loom]

Just proc just crit

[cinder geode]

yea looking at my stats i think im too heavy into mastery

he has quite a bit more haste and crit than i do

what neck do yall use ? i use the mugzee one but a lot of people craft theirs

the rank one parse uses the cinderbrew neck

[drifting cloud]

[pure moth]

you also missed a kingsbane cast in comparison so that would be more envenom damage as well

[round cypress]

Try to run a droptimizer, might give you a tendency on what stats your heavily missing

[turbid sandal]

ok so we use Magnet after a deathmark, but do we hold it in between? Or is there a magical number of stacks where we send it?

[keen spruce]

[cinder geode]

at around the 8% mark i died to the toy bomb casts going off, i lost a lot of damage off that

i was more just looking at the mutilates and envenoms there was a lot of other things i could have done as well

[runic hinge]

[cinder geode]

should i do raid or m+ and what ilvl do i set the gear drops to

[worthy rose]

Depends what gear you need

[round cypress]

Doesn't really matter, go for an equal ilvl of what you have

If it gives you a neck full haste upping you by 3%, you're probably missing some haste etc...

If everything's really minor, it's probably linked to your rotation and not your gear, it'll give you some hint on where to check to improve

[cinder geode]

idk rotationally im not sure where to improve on just due to the simplistic nature

on just a ST boss like cauldron im literally just keeping up garrote rupture and finishing on 5+ not a whole lot to go off of

[keen spruce]

did u post a log?

[cinder geode]

ill post a close to patchwerk fight to see if im doing something wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m7V2zAwdNcp8Hgfv?fight=1&type=damage-done

[cedar flicker]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[cinder geode]

heres a basic mugzee kill that went pretty quickly, is there any major issue im doing in my rotation?

[keen spruce]

well

every single rogue in the top 100 is running spatter

and you're not

[haughty flicker]

[keen spruce]

which is accounting for like mountains of dmg

[buoyant herald]

i'll even bet that a bunch of sprocket logs have spatter

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

because ib is terrible

and you barely notice

[keen spruce]

I don't play anymore but I'd assume it's not good to garrote these adds?

idk

[golden loom]

Going into jail = bad

Stay out and spatter boss = good

[waxen oyster]

Well if you want to parse you need to be outside

[keen spruce]

idk what jail is

can u void elf out?

or SS?

[buoyant herald]

only had to go down to #14 to find a log that had forgotten to switch back to IB

[round cypress]

It seems to me that your hero talent debuff is quite low (72%)

[golden loom]

U can void elf out yeah

But just stay out

[keen spruce]

idk what that means

[golden loom]

[buoyant herald]

going in means target switching anyway

[round cypress]

And you have 15% uptime on garotte

[buoyant herald]

assass rogue dumbest class to send in unless picked natty

[keen spruce]

no he didn't

[round cypress]

Sorry, can't read

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean casts look roughly the same to good logs. just small optimizations

and run spatter

[cinder geode]

didnt think to run spatter thanks

[golden loom]

If I get picked for gaol we are wiping! (For legal reasons this is a joke)

[keen spruce]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G6WT1ZqkHDdJVgn9?fight=12&type=damage-done&source=21 if you look at this guy with the same trinkets as you

[spice spire]

Mfs not threading

[keen spruce]

and similar kill time

is mostly comparable

[spice spire]

Smh

[keen spruce]

with casts

and stuff

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

go to bed

[cinder geode]

yea thats insane 13% of his damage

what is he spattering for so much? the mines or something?

[spice spire]

Make me

[keen spruce]

goons

[cinder geode]

the only other adds i can think of is the shocker guy

[keen spruce]

shockers and rocketeers

if targets are >0 on any fight you pretty much always run spatter

IB just isn't really that good

so even if you need prio damage it's kind of w/e

[cinder geode]

yea that makes sense

[runic hinge]

[cinder geode]

hero talent debuff ? meaning i hold darkest night too long probably ?

[royal hazel]

hey guys, i've just noticed the pre-patch ST build with improved garrote and master assassin is simming well ahead of the new recommended ST build

[runic hinge]

What is well ahead?

[royal hazel]

not sure what has happened

[runic hinge]

it was like .6% for me

[keen spruce]

incoming <1%

[royal hazel]

ok yeah not well ahead

same for me

[waxen oyster]

It was like 16k for me

[royal hazel]

20k for me

[runic hinge]

anyways the pins

do some explaining

[royal hazel]

/pins

[golden loom]

U can spatter both goons from outside if boss is in good position

Therefore jail = bad!

[runic hinge]

top right

little tack icon

[waxen oyster]

lowk feel vv might still be better for spatter bosses

[royal hazel]

ohhh ok ty

[haughty flicker]

[royal hazel]

latest news, love it

[golden loom]

Vv Always better fuck MA!!!

[keen spruce]

[buoyant herald]

you'd be taking VV anyway usually

[golden loom]

Fuck MA and fuck fatebound

[waxen oyster]

i accidentally did a night of ma again

with ttb

instead of ap

[buoyant herald]

its not the worst thing, but yeah

few talent choices later and you'll be right

[royal hazel]

simming on nightly hmmm, will try latest

❤️ this discord

[keen spruce]

should always be on latest

[waxen oyster]

yeah ma imp garr will sim higher

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

generally

[buoyant herald]

not for me

[waxen oyster]

smol amount

[runic hinge]

always sim on latest unless you're a coward

[keen spruce]

i ❤️ u

[runic hinge]

VV just easier to play

[fallow canopy]

small win today rank 1 non pi bandit pog (?

[haughty flicker]

vv still better for me

i mean

do we need easier

[runic hinge]

and lets you use vanish as a i fucked up

[royal hazel]

i just went off the description "high chance of bugs"

[runic hinge]

no

[haughty flicker]

ma is literally just pressing vanish once every two minutes

[keen spruce]

ok but how many PIers beat u

[fallow canopy]

4 :c

[haughty flicker]

pi abusers dont count

[keen spruce]

pi counts

[waxen oyster]

i wonder what causes the swing

[haughty flicker]

count dn

[keen spruce]

befriending priests is part of skill expression

[waxen oyster]

i imagine haste cant be that great for vv

[haughty flicker]

it made me craft a haste neck

[coral ibex]

30 mins of stix wipes

[royal hazel]

haste neck is op

[waxen oyster]

same

[haughty flicker]

the robot knows all

[royal hazel]

for m+

[golden loom]

Helll yeahhhh

[coral ibex]

some people still can't pick up scrapmasters

in reclear

[waxen oyster]

then i got richard neck

[coral ibex]

i dont get it man

[waxen oyster]

in vault

and it was worse because of that

[fallow canopy]

:c

[haughty flicker]

richard neck sims like shit for me

[keen spruce]

chinese PIs

[haughty flicker]

riccardo doesnt even give good loot

fucker

[coral ibex]

so many goated pulls too

[waxen oyster]

richard neck sims well if you barely have haste

on other slots

[royal hazel]

craft neck ftw

[waxen oyster]

i probably would not have made neck

if i couldnt just move this to sub

later on

[royal hazel]

s1 it took me all season to get a neck, so fk it craft one

[waxen oyster]

ricardo drops a dagger

[haughty flicker]

the robot really wanted me to buy boe neck

but uh

[waxen oyster]

if you didn get get 1

[haughty flicker]

4m gold lmao

[waxen oyster]

in the first 2 resets

like a god gamer

[waxen oyster]

me getting myth sikran neck first month

then rash cloak evaded me entire season

[keen spruce]

i got rash cloak in a sale run we were doing

cuz my friend was the buyer

on an alt

[waxen oyster]

yeah i got rash cloak on 2 alts

within 2 clears each

game just didnt want to give one to my rogue

[keen spruce]

I think i got a heroic one my 3rd week back

[waxen oyster]

no i mean mythic

[keen spruce]

took a while to get the myth one

just loot better smh

[strange sleet]

wow, I'm simming bleed build now and it's asking for versa so much

[vital haven]

bro i literally doing z dam on mythic gally cause we got 2 evokers

they turn the adds into dust before i can even get a bleed out

[dreamy rover]

why would you even dot those adds

insane waste of CPs

not worth

[coral ibex]

no

check the pins

rupture sniping is back

[dreamy rover]

dude i dont want to play assassin

im forced to play it by big tuning

another thing to learn ig

[keen spruce]

I mean

if you haven't cleared the raid yet I feel like you're not forced to play anything at this point

[runic hinge]

isnt sub pretty close as well?

[dreamy rover]

no its bad

[runic hinge]

?????

its within 4%

ok

[waxen oyster]

sub is fine in the raid

[dreamy rover]

its damage profile is bad compared to sub

for it to be good

you need to be lucky/hold CDs for adds

padd like madman

[keen spruce]

you're describing like

every spec in the game

for parsing

[waxen oyster]

Sub barely pads

[dreamy rover]

well im trying to parse and help my guild out so

[keen spruce]

ok but those two things are like

[haughty flicker]

[dreamy rover]

have to cleave but also kill boss and not hold CDs infintely

[keen spruce]

not often aligned

[dreamy rover]

also

this raid has much important execute phases on a few bosses

and sin is great at that

[runic hinge]

like 1 boss

[waxen oyster]

Do you know that

or are you repeating

what a streamer said

[dreamy rover]

based on my guild's prog

damage on last phases are important

[dreamy rover]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupid-brainlet-wojak-meme-gif-17170021

[keen spruce]

at this point in the season it really doesn't matter

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[keen spruce]

your guild is gonna kill it eventually or not

your spec / talent choices have basically nothign to do with that

[haughty flicker]

eh

[runic hinge]

esp cause blizz tunes so much now

[keen spruce]

just focus on doing jobs that make sense and not dying

and being proactive

[dreamy rover]

sure shmeeps

sub is fine

[keen spruce]

I mean yeah

do you see how close all of those numbers are

?

it is actually demonstrably fine

[dreamy rover]

you dont even play anymore bud

what are you on about

[fallow canopy]

People literally did 7/8 fights as sub with less gear and no stacking buffs

If you don't enjoy sin I dont see why you would force yourself to play it

[keen spruce]

what do numbers have to do with me paying blizz a sub every month?

[waxen oyster]

The fact still remains they played sub

[runic hinge]

you should pay me a sub

[waxen oyster]

in rwf

so its more than fine

[dreamy rover]

also played sin

[golden loom]

On 1 fight

[dreamy rover]

and then they buffed it

[waxen oyster]

i mean if you really want to be optimal

[golden loom]

They didnt nerf sub tho?

[runic hinge]

they didnt nerf sub

[waxen oyster]

you should know how to play multiple specs

regardless

[keen spruce]

hy now

[dreamy rover]

yes xiani thats what im doing

[keen spruce]

hey now

[golden loom]

Raid is getting nerfed, we are getting stacking buff, more gear

[keen spruce]

don't come in here with that crazy talk

[fallow canopy]

Except outlaw

[wanton nest]

I'm top dps as sub in 99% of content. Sub is fine.

[dreamy rover]

i'd just prefer to play sub and not be behind

[wanton nest]

Then play sub and don't be behind

[dreamy rover]

btw im comparing to myself playing both specs

[waxen oyster]

why not play ww then

if number all that matters

[keen spruce]

yeah i'm not seeing the issue here. just play sub if you want to play sub

or is this^ actually just "why won't blizz buff sub "

wait the arrow is pointing the w rong way

w/e u get the idea

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

me when i do a typo

and it ends up a slur

and i get muted by automod

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

@gusty mirage I immediately thought of you

[grim jay]

They did at the beginning.

[grim jay]

Cope

[runic hinge]

Before the raid started

[grim jay]

Yes, but they did.

And it was partly unnecessary as most of the time.

[runic hinge]

imagine all the red names in the sub channel crying saying "i dont want to play sub, im forced to play it by big tuning, another thing to learn ig"

[keen spruce]

to be fair

we do do that

when sub is good

[grim jay]

Ye sometimes people do that

[keen spruce]

i just choose not to play sub tho

[grim jay]

I am always happy as long as outlaw isnt the play

[keen spruce]

raid pirate makes me wanna eat broken glass

it's fun in keys tho

[grim jay]

I get the same feeling if I even need to spec into it

Think the most time I spent as outlaw was df for the treasure tracking

[cunning needle]

assi players hate playing sub and sub players hate playing assi

should have seen smolderon

thing is, there are way more assi players

whereas there are only 7 sub players

[keen spruce]

I played assas on smolderon

[visual sun]

!wa

[keen spruce]

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

I am a noob so I just never swap

[haughty flicker]

I played ret on smolderon

[runic hinge]

I try sub like twice a tier in reclear and remember I don’t have a brain

So I put it down for 6 months

[keen spruce]

I haven't played igira on reclear

[haughty flicker]

I play sub on rik because 3 reclears in I’m still the only one doing barrrel damage

[keen spruce]

where i had to have my character panel open to click my trinkets

and my spell book open to rupture

[haughty flicker]

Got my parse from a 19 to a 52

[keen spruce]

cuz i forgot to setup bars

[haughty flicker]

[grim jay]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[grim jay]

Also reminds me

Last reclear, our rangeds literally said "shouldnt the melees just go to the barrel thats further away? The close ones get cleaved anyways"

Well bitch guess why they get cleaved anyways

[haughty flicker]

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

actually just hard exposed themselves

ranged are the least ethical players

i swear

[grim jay]

They are lazy af

And always talk about how hard ranged mechanics are

[haughty flicker]

theres like

one fight a tier

that has ranged mechanics

unless you're a priest then any movement is a fight for your life

[grim jay]

Ye and there are quite some mechanics rangeds just ignore entirely because range

[keen spruce]

I feel like it's harder to do damage as ranged

but harder to live as melee

but I also only play rogue and do a little warlock moonlighting

[haughty flicker]

there are some fights where trying to get casts off can be annoying af

[keen spruce]

and i'm kinda bad at warlock

[haughty flicker]

like this tier sprocket is definitely way more annoying as ranged than melee

but uh

i dont think any other fight you can say that about

[keen spruce]

but I also never like feel in danger playing ranged

[haughty flicker]

yeah just chilling

[keen spruce]

u just kind of annoyingly need to stop casting sometimes

then take like 2 steps to the left

[grim jay]

Or play bm

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

bm is actually such a vibe

until you get told to do mechanics

[runic hinge]

Okay I reroll bm

Brian so smooth

[haughty flicker]

bm and sin probably on the same level atm

[grim jay]

Brian

[haughty flicker]

brian

[snow hamlet]

[grim jay]

Please rename your hunter to SmoothBrian

[runic hinge]

Real

[gloomy heart]

is this trinket good (heroic)

[rotund oak]

best thing u can possibly do

[rotund oak]

gz on that

[gloomy heart]

sick 🙂

[wary light]

Good for the 50 gold or whatever it sells for at vendor 😎 /s

[runic hinge]

How do you even get invited to heroic raid at 642

[rotund oak]

kinda smol but sick 🤘

[rotund oak]

guild run

[gloomy heart]

we take it

[runic hinge]

should i reroll bm

[wary light]

Guild or if you're significantly progged on main I'd guess

[haughty flicker]

yes

smoothbrian must rise

[rotund oak]

im trying to play as ranged dps this season mostly to experience the difference to a rogue and i can testify fam

we are nothing compared to ranged dps

[haughty flicker]

bm is a vibe