meaning you always had dsm?
#assassination
waxen oyster
royal lantern
nah, the 50% more dmg buff for mut/ambush after you consumed a mark stack
real pike
we don't even have any listed on our server 
royal lantern
the part everyone forgets exists
waxen oyster
i guess that also caused vv to oversim
hearty seal
the part everyone forgets exists
I mean
it's not hard to forget that
it's what
like
+200k damage every finisher?
real pike
this sims horrifically for me
I have big mastery on my current neck and it's too much to lose apparently
true nexus
is theer an ideal offpiece for tier
hearty seal
the recommended one is the chest, but until you get ideal gear, it's likely that set head is the least useful, IIRC
waxen oyster
Whatever you dont have myth track
frankly it doesnt matter
sin stats are too close
stiff badger
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waxen oyster
double myth tier cant complain much
hearty seal
chest is best for stat/ilvl, innit?
hidden bay
gonna see Jastor in here tomorrow 
gusty mirage
gonna see Jastor in here tomorrow <a:Clappers:624530980631216148>
I'll call Ion and tell him to give you one
hidden bay
ty
gusty mirage
even though you yelled at me for not playing the game 
waxen oyster
chest is best for stat/ilvl, innit?
chest/legs/head are the 3 big pieces
hidden bay
even though you yelled at me for not playing the game <:PES_Cry:4933597624323276...
play on EU and ill do all weeklies with you
spice surge
think i end up taking the belt or chest
I mean if you dont have a mythic chest thats pretty much the absolute best thing you can get
waxen oyster
I made crafted legs because wasnt sure we were gonna kill stix again in the next reset
coral ibex
i'm simming
spice surge
Well thats a sprocket only thing anyway
waxen oyster
true
spice surge
If theres ever any mobs nearby fatebound stinky
coral ibex
i think in theory i should just take the legs or chest and then craft a 675 waist
grim arrow
didnt fate already sim higher in previous season? and yet barely anyone was using the build?:S
static glacier
you swap spec tbh
waxen oyster
barely matters anyway since any boss with spatter
coral ibex
but i'm short on crests
golden loom
It took 1 heroic pug fatebound pull for me to remember that no matter how much better it sims its god awful and awful and shit
waxen oyster
you played ds
static glacier
no matter what you do short of sending deathmark in an add
gusty mirage
play on EU and ill do all weeklies with you <a:Clappers:624530980631216148>
unironically, EU would work better with my current schedule
static glacier
is meaningless
golden loom
I didnt get capstone until 20% boss hp
coral ibex
opener
flip 6 heads
flip 1 tail
want to kms
static glacier
didnt fate already sim higher in previous season? and yet barely anyone was usin...
ye thats true
golden loom
I will never play it ever again
static glacier
it did sim higher in s1 if you had gear for it
grim arrow
nerub had 2 pure st fights, 3 if you count rashanan... and noone played fate :S
static glacier
nerub had 2 pure st fights, 3 if you count rashanan... and noone played fate :S
i highkey think rash wasnt great for fate
coral ibex
I didnt get capstone until 20% boss hp
ME WHEN I NEVER GOT LUCKY COIN FOR OUR ENTIRE BEST SPROCKET PULL
static glacier
coins aint affected by zoldyck iirc
coral ibex
static glacier
while dn env is
waxen oyster
nah you played spatter on radh
coral ibex
brother 7% agility definitely affects zoldyck
golden loom
God awful sim bait hero talent on god
waxen oyster
huffing high copium
coral ibex
wym
waxen oyster
that spawns werent shit
hidden bay
only 5 upgrades left from the raid then i have completed the game
gusty mirage
only 5 upgrades left from the raid then i have completed the game
I hope you get them all because I love you and I want you to be happy
coral ibex
if you dont proc lucky coin your dps is dogshit
hidden bay
coral ibex
you want to proc lucky coin with ur first 7 flips
native turret
myth magnet or myth chest help
hearty seal
I wonder if there is anything nearly as RNG as Fatebound Outlaw in the game
golden loom
I might start searching for mines at the local beach if I play FB on prog tomorrow
coral ibex
surely we kill it today
we had multiple perfect pulls chached by people fucking up polarity or the knockback for 2nd intermission
golden loom
Bombaclat
coral ibex
i put save me - chief keef on loop
vast shuttle
how to uptate my raid io so i shows i have done the heroic bosses i did?
polar rampart
viscid spear
That's what I'm figuring will happen in 7 hours when I open vault
waxen oyster
imagine getting loot from raid
im wearing nothing i got in main raid
wild star
Anyone know why my Caustic its not on first place? 😄
harsh anchor
CT hit hard like gorilla
inner citrus
surely signet no?
spice spire
You’re not applying it with muts every 9ish seconds?
spice spire
surely signet no?
Seems right to me
inner citrus
thanks! got signet
waxen oyster
yeah getting tier is not special since so many options
viscid spear
im wearing nothing i got in main raid
What about in-game?
waxen oyster
What about in-game?
time to go male maghar and just wear the horrific visions helm
native turret
only 1 item away from everything being crafted/myth
we almost there boys
hero seaforium holding me back
inland dirge
viscid spear
hero seaforium holding me back
Only one item holding me back from 665 in every slot aside from Circe
waxen oyster
No
native turret
didnt think so
grand trail
eye of kezan is so good on progg, when you are doing those 1-3min pulls for whole night and basically playing with one trinket 😄
waxen oyster
myth pacemaker supremacy
haughty flicker
obligatory weekly vault spam for tradition
viscid spear
obligatory weekly vault spam for tradition
haughty flicker
yeah its not the greatest vault to exist
gusty mirage
congrats on the socket ig?
viscid spear
eye of kezan is so good on progg, when you are doing those 1-3min pulls for whol...
Hoping we get AotC tonight.
haughty flicker
i mean the neck is pretty good for me
gusty mirage
true
haughty flicker
sims at 1% upgrade so it could be worse
but i could also take socket and craft neck
should probably sim that
oh he deleted it
😦
whole onyx
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timber meadow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fJUwRTuni9X2R2AyjyaNyc is something weird with my sim? eye only a sidegrade vs. pacemaker on a 7 min sim? i wouldn't normally blink an eye but I dont think it was like this before, I had a normal eye that was competitive with pacemaker even on a 5 min sim
cedar heron
Is "dungeon slice" accurate when simming?
little tulip
thanks! got signet
if your crit rating is higher than mastery rating (number not %) it's not a huge upgrade
i have to lose about 3k for mine to work like house of cards u_u
if you also play sub is prly upgrade there
inner citrus
it gave me like 40k dps :/ but here are my stats from 2.080m to 2.12m 664ilvl
alpine latch
So, I got hero track shoulders (gives me 4p) or Myth track Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker in my vault
Thinknig about just grinding out keys this week and getting my own helm/shoulders
haughty flicker
i mean thats not even a choice
you take the pacemaker literally 100 times out of 100 there
alpine latch
really?
haughty flicker
yes brother
you can grind out hero shoulders from like half the dungeons in the game + raid
you can only get myth track pacemaker from vault
digital spindle
do we know best enchants in 11.1.5 for us yet? cursory search I only see a recent message:
only playable enchantment gonna be head slot that provides just 1% dmg
green oasis
are we still getting dinars next week?
candid ocean
Is mastery or crit our best stat? I keep seeing different things
digital spindle
are we still getting dinars next week?
there has been radio silence from blizzard, but nothing suggests that we are getting them
alpine latch
you can only get myth track pacemaker from vault
True, but funny enough, Hero Track (4/6) Eye of Kezan sims higher than Myth track (1/4?) Seaforium
green oasis
then I should get a crafted ring?
candid ocean
I see on BIS list a bunch of mastery/haste gear instead of the available crit/haste gear
haughty flicker
True, but funny enough, Hero Track (4/6) Eye of Kezan sims higher than Myth trac...
ok but now sim a 678 pacemaker lol
little tulip
it gave me like 40k dps :/ but here are my stats from 2.080m to 2.12m 664ilvl
yeah ur fine those are good numbers
haughty flicker
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/15peTY15rQXqMfYv12Lxmz
this entire sim is at low accuracy because it simmed tier then gave up
lmao
little tulip
i have a dawnthread from last season and i think radiant crit and im not getting up
alpine latch
this entire sim is at low accuracy because it simmed tier then gave up
lol
haughty flicker
plus you didnt sim upgrades on any of the myth track stuff
alpine latch
Good to know
brave comet
do you guys run tempest on heroic stix?
charred obsidian
is it fine to hold major cooldowns if an enemy will die in a certain amount of seconds?
charred obsidian
or do i just say fuk it and nuke anyways even if there is like 6 seconds left lol
haughty flicker
if the dude is about to die then dont send cds on them yeah
maybe a shiv for a bit of sudden demise cheese at most
charred obsidian
well idk how long left they have to live for it to be ok
or worth
ofc i cant know 100%
haughty flicker
thats something you have to trust your heart for
green oasis
so I have had super shit luck with rings this season would I be better crafting a binding of binding or a ring of earthern craftsmanship
alpine latch
I know this is a bit of a dumb question probably..
But Blood Mallet shows Mechano-Core Amplifier is like the 10th best trinket
But WH says it's BiS
I know I'm following WowHead and not BM, just curious what the major discrepency is
alpine latch
Sure, but I'm asking because I'm curious if it's worth me spending the time running delves
Or should I just send it on m+ and not give af
coral ibex
you'd answer that by simming the trinket vs other trinkets
alpine latch
eh, fair
coral ibex
that would give you the most personal answer
tepid meadow
Am I crazy or does house of cards not sim that well
coral ibex
nobody can tell you what your time is worth
velvet cairn
Am I crazy or does house of cards not sim that well
equal to a priory trinket imo
tepid meadow
i run priory/hoc
velvet cairn
also is there some cool tech for assa rogue with meld?
haughty flicker
ok well
coral ibex
well that's not great
tepid meadow
it's my only option
haughty flicker
go get more options
velvet cairn
it's my only option
floodgate brotha
tepid meadow
i have been in the floodgate trenches but no avail
haughty flicker
coral ibex
haughty flicker
well double on use is probably why hoc isnt simming very well for you
under normal circumstances priory and hoc are about equal
coral ibex
yea ripping a hoc outside ur buffs does approximately nothing
tepid meadow
back to floodgate sad asf
velvet cairn
i guess using it with hybrid or in raid is okay ish
coral ibex
it will be worth it
velvet cairn
since u have a kb or dm kb for each trinket
or it was okay in s1 with transmitter and skardyns atleast
inner citrus
So hoc and priory is about equal?
velvet cairn
So hoc and priory is about equal?
for assa yeah
alpine latch
yeah for Sub, I think HoC smashes everything
inner citrus
Oh thats nice
velvet cairn
i think hoc is slightly better but its kinda based on stats (sim urself)
gritty laurel
yeah HoC is a 90s cooldown which sub needs
inner citrus
So priory on vault is really nice
haughty flicker
yes its probably one of the single best items you could get from vault lol
especially if you arent a mythic oab killer
iron vapor
The delves trinket does good numbers for me - in Sims anyway
iron vapor
Same for azerokk's heart, it's not as good as the pacemaker, but it's passive and it works
tepid meadow
is it worth it over pacemaker?
waxen oyster
hero to hero yes
haughty flicker
for heroic track yeah
waxen oyster
You get 1 map every week
haughty flicker
but you only have one chance a week at the delve trinkets
iron vapor
Getting the hero track delve trinket is one chance a week + vault though, so you gotta be lucky
waxen oyster
my dh got mechano core first map of the season
I've not specced havoc once on it yet
iron vapor
I've got it on champ track and it still only just sims worse than a 6/6 hero track azerokk
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tepid meadow
the hero once a week drops from the map only?
iron vapor
the hero once a week drops from the map only?
Yeah, do the map after the respawn stone and it guarantees a hero track item in the bountiful cache at the end
That hero track item could be a shitty piece of nitroclad garbage every week though...
You don't need to ask me how I know
iron vapor
Yeah, 3 shots from the vault, that does mean running 8 delves a week though and frankly that's depressing
iron vapor
I've gotten turbozap on my rogue's map like twice
I think I got the amorphous relic a few times too, absolute TRASH
plush iris
is bleed better for ToP?
fiery mauve
i play bleed eveyrwhere
plush iris
feels like st is better on bleed
fiery mauve
plush iris
kingsbane kinda trash
waxen oyster
Yeah, 3 shots from the vault, that does mean running 8 delves a week though and ...
they take like 5 minutes
waxen oyster
feels like st is better on bleed
They're both nothing to write home about
scarlet cliff
another week, another mythic honeybuzzer
iron vapor
Not for an 8, quickest I've done a tier 8 is about 10 mins.
plush iris
They're both nothing to write home about
ye true
just blindside kidna makes me feel better
waxen oyster
Not for an 8, quickest I've done a tier 8 is about 10 mins.
I've done tier 11 in 5 minutes
waxen oyster
its very strong if you dont have a myth passive trinket
iron vapor
I've done tier 11 in 5 minutes
Well congratulations. I haven't, so running 8 delves a week is a pain.
nova wolf
I don't raid, so it'd just be vault stuff
inner citrus
Is this delve trinket really that good? Sim says to take it over mythic gear.
if u dont have myth gloves, take the myth gloves and just spam devles
waxen oyster
Yeah if you don't raid your next best passive trinket is myth pacemaker.
iron vapor
I don't raid, so it'd just be vault stuff
In that case it's pretty much BIS
inner citrus
or m+ for pacemaker hero
iron vapor
Pacemaker on myth track is probably better, but you don't have that right now
inner citrus
best pick of that would be the myth gloves it hink
iron vapor
And you may never ever get it
waxen oyster
Well congratulations. I haven't, so running 8 delves a week is a pain.
do sidestreet sluce
tepid meadow
is there a guarenteed way to get a map or do you really just spam delves
waxen oyster
You do delves and it either is in the end chest
or underpin attacks you mid delve
and drops one
nova wolf
is there a guarenteed way to get a map or do you really just spam delves
you can buy a thing to spawn underpin
iron vapor
is there a guarenteed way to get a map or do you really just spam delves
Yes, get the signal scrambler thing from the vendor in dornogal to summon the underpin - he always drops the map
prisma oxide
I lost like 40k sim damage but I didn't see anything in class tuning. Did I miss something?
tepid meadow
you guys are elite gamers
waxen oyster
I've also had him just attack me first delve of the week.
But im deranged and almost at the 500 delves achieve
across all characters
iron vapor
you guys are elite gamers
Funny way of spelling 'no life, touch grass', but thanks
tepid meadow
do you need to run t11? i already got my gilded stash
iron vapor
Nah, only 3 T11 a week - go 8 after that
tepid meadow
and it'll still be hero from the map?
iron vapor
Yep
tepid meadow
pog ez
iron vapor
I've stopped doing the 11s now, get max crests from M+ every week anyway
strange sleet
Just run fungal folly. It's very fast most of the weeks. There is one in Hollowfall that is very fast too if you get the "light up the fires" one. Just go around in stealth skipping everything and then blind/sap + vanish. At the end of the delves remember to change talents to pure ST for the final bosses
waxen oyster
Just run fungal folly. It's very fast most of the weeks. There is one in Hollowf...
Sidestreet sluce in undermine is the best
or the nightfall one where you shoot yourself out of the cannon
It does like 3m damage per hit to anything you land on +4s stun with no DR
+spammable
strange sleet
Seems nice
warm vortex
the rat master did it
Funnily enough i got a healer and tank that play now
So i might be able to push higher
i feel like i cheated as i did do 1 13 with a healer + tank premade
lofty dawn
do you play eye of kezan instead of pacemaker on 7 min fight? i see ppl stil play pacemaker on one armed bandit?
waxen oyster
They probably don't have eye.
velvet ridge
Sidestreet sluce in undermine is the best
Why is sidestreet fast, don't you have to disable the things like 7 times with the robot. Or can you just skip?
lofty dawn
They probably don't have eye.
alr
royal lantern
They probably don't have eye.
its kinda funny how that concept is a bit missing sometimes
waxen oyster
Why is sidestreet fast, don't you have to disable the things like 7 times with t...
Yeah thats fast to do
nah tryan everyone is in a guild that does 3-4 splits
royal lantern
like, you can be world first player, bad rng can still mean you just dont get the stuff and use w/e is avaible 
waxen oyster
Even then you can be fucked on trinket rng
despite being the only main
You can also just tricks bran and disable things while he tanks as healer spec
obtuse ruin
can anyone show their post dungeon dps breakdown running the bleed build?
oblique sorrel
lethal arrow
its kinda funny how that concept is a bit missing sometimes
My guild still hasn't seen an eye drop since week 2 of h gallywix
Kinda funny
coral ibex
my guild has killed normal and heroic OAB every week so far and gotten exactly 1 normal hoc drop
lethal arrow
We've seen more war bound jastors than eyes
waxen oyster
I hecking love rare items that everyone wants
fallow canopy
just get 1 in vault 🦐 issue
waxen oyster
lethal arrow
I don't need eye, I got mine from the heroic cache like 2 weeks ago
restive falcon
we just keep pacemaekr till we get bandit - gallywix and use eye of kezan?
sacred grove
why am I simming over 500k dps lower with assassin than the other specs
royal lantern
My guild still hasn't seen an eye drop since week 2 of h gallywix
we saw the spocket healer trinket 1x in total across all difficultys lol
lethal arrow
we just keep pacemaekr till we get bandit - gallywix and use eye of kezan?
Use pacemaker on fights shorter than 5-6 min
coral ibex
why am I simming over 500k dps lower with assassin than the other specs
sims are not comparable between specs
lethal arrow
we saw the spocket healer trinket 1x in total across all difficultys lol
Same we havent gotten a pick me up in weeks
But 2 lock n loads last week
But maybe mythic locknstock dies this week and we get one who knows
sacred grove
is there a minium haste we should have or should i be prioritized last
coral ibex
!stats
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- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
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high walrus
does crafting & recrafting a ring still let you upgrade a second ring for free
neon lava
does your guyses vers sim more than it should? I'm on 11% vers right now and if I sim any other stats instead of vers i get like -20k DPS
dapper cradle
does crafting & recrafting a ring still let you upgrade a second ring for free
nope
but the siren isles ring cheese still works
only lets you upgrade for free up to 658 tho
strange sleet
@balmy condor Hello sir. Is there a way to reduce activity time while simming a fight? KInda like the line you gave me the other day to force cyrce's stat?
spice surge
Yes but it doesnt really represent ingame downtime very well
spice spire
@spice surge miss us
spice surge
<@212854714197344256> miss us
Bro popped my pops too many times
spice spire
Call that sudden demise
spice surge
spice spire
strange sleet
Yes but it doesnt really represent ingame downtime very well
well it is what it is. If you could tell me?
I'm using light and heavy movement
but idk
spice surge
Yes its those
drifting cloud
Call that sudden demise
wanton spear
our offhand doesn't matter at all correct? testing some things with old world items
its just w/e stats we can get on it
spice surge
Correct
spice surge
Afaik theres nothing cheeky you can do with old items or enchants on your offhand
Its all just worse than a regular dagger
wanton spear
didn't do a ton of dmg but timestrike did almost as much as my ST sim garrote
tall atlas
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rocky sluice
Hey all, between sub and sin, for prog on last two bosses on mythic which spec is recommended, wanna hear opinions
haughty flicker
sin is one of the best specs in the game full stop for mugzee
idk anything about gallywix on mythic but it seems like it doesnt really matter which one you play
errant hawk
hello guys, who play bleed build ? i dont see anyone playing it at the top RIO
normal mist
soontm
haughty flicker
obviously though play what you're better at
spice surge
Hey all, between sub and sin, for prog on last two bosses on mythic which spec i...
Either is fine on gally really. Assa is gonna do more damage overall but sub will do more damage on the things that need damage the most (the shield on pull and the technicians)
pure moth
does your guyses vers sim more than it should? I'm on 11% vers right now and if ...
You shouldn't sim stat weights btw
neon lava
You shouldn't sim stat weights btw
I'm not simming stat weights, I'm simming different stats in order to recraft my crafted items. For example I have vers/mastery crafted neck that sims the best regardless of what stats I change it to
warm vortex
the rat master did it
NNearly timed a 13 priory too
Overtimed by like 10 seconds or so because we had multiple tank deaths n such
Also i went from like
70% hp to 0 in a frame
haughty flicker
get got
gloomy heart
skillzed
waxen oyster
Well missed kick
wide ferry
3015 io gettin turned down for 10s, hell yea
normal mist
back to queu, bozo
charred obsidian
3015 io gettin turned down for 10s, hell yea
not cool enough, need more rizz
warm vortex
back to queu, bozo
Hi royallll!
normal mist
Hi Ven!!!!!
Nah, its fine, maybe some buffs here and there
but overall any spec works
(for legal purposes, its a joke)
and i can access it
dreamy rover
because discord is a very well coded program
chromium pov
dreamy rover
probably a cache issue
just closed an re-opened, came back to life
gusty mirage
I wish I could get paid to make a shitty product
how do I sign up for that reality?
dreamy rover
how do I sign up for that reality?
its getting more common
you might be able to
i love paying for shitty services
pure moth
Im ok with this.
final star
POV: the arms warrior in your guild does a weekly key with an assa rogue
normal mist
Fuck yeah that's determination
final star
I was purposefully sniping packs with vanish bleed spreads
just so he couldn't execute
normal mist
dreamy rover
I was purposefully sniping packs with vanish bleed spreads
nice fucking work lool
as you should
golden loom
Mountain Thane Fury looking ass
wanton hound
Perhaps a super dumb question. But do we actively press slice n dice?
Or is it just like outlaw and you automaticly get it when you envennom?
hot flicker
Perhaps a super dumb question. But do we actively press slice n dice?
No it does itself
wanton hound
I'm sorry what?
spice surge
Envenom applies it
shy nest
yeh when u press evenom u get slice
golden loom
I'm sorry what?
Pressing envenom gives u slice
spice surge
So you dont need to press it
final star
wanton hound
Thank you ^^. I got the choice of going rogue or havoc and I cant for the life of me go the meta route
So reading up some before i dabble into the class
golden loom
Havoc is very meta
golden loom
The CD
final star
golden loom
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bleak ledge
could there be a case for fatebound on mythic mugzee 
runic hinge
Not if theres any adds ever
glass socket
we typically hold both shivs for kingsbane window right? it just always lines up, espeically in a strict ST fight
neat smelt
as DS, you send one shiv inside Lingering Darkness
so your non DM kingsbanes will be with 1 shiv
for FB, you ll hold both shivs for KB
viscid spear
(ild rather play warlock)
deep gyro
Gaols*
coral ibex
why does arterial precision sim better than ttb for fatebound vs deathstalker in pure st?
onyx linden
ttb vs arterial barely matters anyway
onyx linden
Not anywhere near that when I simmed it
coral ibex
sorry .8
haughty flicker
I don’t remember it being that big but I haven’t simmed in a bit
onyx linden
yeah I havent simmed in a little bit but it was like .2 when I did
oh I never simmed it fatebound either
so yeah
haughty flicker
Oh the difference is higher for fb probably because of imp gar
coral ibex
hm i guess thats true
primal egret
this might be a silly question but does the sim overvalue haste? I see most top logs running like 10-14% but even though im sitting at 11% its telling me to recraft all my gear to haste stuff. should i just trust it
normal mist
we sim
primal egret
4 items to recraft would probably put me around 20%
onyx linden
Yeah in my gear for deathstalker aterial sims 0.1% higher
normal mist
We like haste
low thicket
haste is good stat too 🙂
normal mist
Couldn't find the pin
haughty flicker
pin deadge
normal mist
primal egret
okay ill trust
rocky zodiac
i hate it when my DM kingsbane gets parried on kill try...
sick garnet
Hi, can you recommend our embelishments when we play raid and m+?
Looks like every top sin plays something different
haughty flicker
capitalize your equipment set names
nimble tartan
NEVERR
haughty flicker
onyx linden
hm i guess thats true
Yeah just checked with FB, TTB definitely loses a lot on FB because of the improved garrote/MA window during arterial. About 1% worse
static sonnet
Should I sim for raid using Patchwerk? If not, which option should I be using?
gusty mirage
Should I sim for raid using Patchwerk? If not, which option should I be using?
Patchwerk will be the best for ST fights
vagrant lagoon
pets pull aggro in shroud right
green rover
Did they break the spec?
I went from doing 3.4M overall to struggling to do 2.5 and my caustic splatter just isn't doing damage
this is from a 10 Rookery
humble verge
no, youre probably swapping target too much for CS to do anything
this is a 10 cleft
solar wyvern
Garrote and rupture above CT signals that you're playing incorrectly
green rover
I'm doing exactly the same as I was this morning farming the last 10s
and caustic WAS doing more before
in the EXACT same dungeon, which is why I'm so confused
lavish wing
Here's an original question, do we vanish/gar during DM if we dont have MA?
humble verge
Here's an original question, do we vanish/gar during DM if we dont have MA?
its literally a cog in my wheel
icl
but no
the only reason to use vanish now is to redot
atleast if ure using hybrid
solar wyvern
Idk looks like about half your envenom dam, and you're not spattering as much as you used to. Also depends on how tank pulled the dungeon and how long you had to spattee
lavish wing
atleast if ure using hybrid
I had more of a raid st in my mind but ok
humble verge
I had more of a raid st in my mind but ok
oh yeah
i actually dont know the reason for using vanish
i.e if you die
and lose your mark, save vanish so you can remark
chilly marsh
do bleed build change stats value? I did some craft sim for a neck and says i should make vers + mastery instead of crit.
heres the sim for refecence: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kSsZy3zaei9GQ9U1ZdsA9b
grim jay
hollow stream
Sorry if its been discussed ad nauseum already, but how "good" is Eye of Kezan for Sin rogue? I know "sim yourself" , but practical use etc. Is it difficult to use , low max stacks uptime etc etc
lost wolf
at 665+ or so, are yall seeing eye of kezan simming higher than seaforium in almost all sim scenarios?
hollow stream
heh
lost wolf
oh hey... lol
sharp lily
Its better on longer fights
lost wolf
no doubt kezan is one of our best, i just see 47/50 using seaforium on murlock.io whereas kezan consistently sims higher
makes sense though if it's better on longer fights
plain spruce
in M+ do we use mana oil or stick to whetstone
jaunty sky
i assume it's better if u stay at high stacks
wild jackal
i sim kezan at different fight lengths and see how long my fights are lasting and go with that
runic hinge
Seaforium is easier to get by far
Eye you’re either rolling or praying for loot council
sharp lily
If the fight doesnt last long enough for you to get full stacks generally Seaforium is better.
lost wolf
thanks all
cerulean nest
all I need is a mythic helm and i’m basically done with meaningful upgrades
upbeat niche
Seaforium vs Signet?
cerulean nest
time to play other games
lethal arrow
Seaforium vs Signet?
Seaforium better for all content
Signet can be replaced with HoC from dinars assuming they come
But you can't really go wrong with either
chilly marsh
If the fight doesnt last long enough for you to get full stacks generally Seafor...
is the a time when Eye getter better? how long for max stacks?
static glacier
no doubt kezan is one of our best, i just see 47/50 using seaforium on murlock.i...
If the fight ain’t long eye can’t compete
sharp lily
is the a time when Eye getter better? how long for max stacks?
Sims at 5 mins + have Kezan better unsure on the exact length that it falls off and Seaforium is better
static glacier
And for us Seaforium is very good timing wise and competes with kezan in 5mins anyway
vapid sierra
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static glacier
While for other classes eye is significantly ahead
One thing kezan really helps with is our execute which is really sins main strength in raid
spice surge
Its a blindside proc
It doesnt actually do the damage of both
Its just casting mutilate, which then casts an ambush
oak sparrow
thanks
rocky zodiac
!stix
royal lantern
do balls
sharp viper
can some fatebound god tell me whether to hold coldblood for 2nd kingsbane or just yolo it on CD?
royal lantern
thats stix
royal lantern
can some fatebound god tell me whether to hold coldblood for 2nd kingsbane or ju...
you macro it with kb mate
which is on cd aswell
sharp viper
45s vs 60s cd though
sharp viper
I am aware of that
royal lantern
so the "real" cd is more like, 50-55sec
weary spear
You guys run hybrid instead of bleed for rookery? Last boss feels aids on 15
KB for every transition seems good but maybe doesn’t help as much as I think? Idk
royal lantern
You guys run hybrid instead of bleed for rookery? Last boss feels aids on 15
why would i run less boss dmg then
sharp viper
so the "real" cd is more like, 50-55sec
ah because of the hero talent envenom only
weary spear
More burst with KB for transitions isn’t helpful?
royal lantern
ah because of the hero talent envenom only
ye
royal lantern
More burst with KB for transitions isn’t helpful?
kb doesnt do big dmg mate
and deathmark is stronger on bleed aswell
weary spear
Ok good cuz I’m loving bleed build.
sharp lily
kb doesnt do big dmg mate
royal lantern
what is that supposed to mean
sharp lily
wet noodle
weary spear
lol
royal lantern
wet noodle
oh, thats a noodle 
sharp lily
Its an actual gif of Kingsbane use
spice spire
<a:hypergrab:965830301093888042>
Ok
humble verge
ok so
wide gorge
in raid do we try to snipe our charged combo point or do we keep using envenom on 6/7 CB?
humble verge
am i understanding SDs tooltip wrong
terse talon
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humble verge
but how are we proccing 10m hits
oh nvm
i did read the tooltip wrong
so SD is basically a "chance" touch of death
balmy condor
in raid do we try to snipe our charged combo point or do we keep using envenom o...
You always finish on 5, darkest night on 7
balmy condor
so SD is basically a "chance" touch of death
What
balmy condor
What about sudden demise is a chance
humble verge
gilded oasis
a chance I need to go change my pants
humble verge
if the bleed hits 150%
it would be like a ToD
since ToD is % based aint it
or am i stupid as usual
balmy condor
ToD is just % of your health, sudden demise is % of your bleed
balmy condor
stream this week king?
Yesterday, today, Thursday for sure
jolly bridge
do we actually play bleed build or the normal venom/bleed build?
balmy condor
Bleed build generally better
jolly bridge
cool^^ like it way more then the 4 posions build xD
humble verge
icl
i feel at certain points that bleed does better ST on bosses
but i just suck ass
that i dont think i MYSELF do more than i would with hybrid
balmy condor
i feel at certain points that bleed does better ST on bosses
That would line up with the math so yeh
jolly bridge
archon also says most play actuall hybrid but dont like it^^
balmy condor
archon also says most play actuall hybrid but dont like it^^
Well archon is also dumb as shit
royal lantern
Well archon is also dumb as shit
call me archon
gilded oasis
call me archon
wasup Archon hows it hangin
spice spire
call me archon
No me
gilded oasis
No, all of us
spice spire
Us? 
spice surge
Murlok is even worse though. It very often happens to show full raid ST builds
gilded oasis
spice surge
because it only tracks what people log out as
And people often log out as their raid build after raiding
gilded oasis
lets all start logging out in the most crazy build
spice surge
Archon is atleast somewhat based on logs
balmy condor
jeah i looked earlier always on archon and now i look always to discord or murlo...
Murlok is even worse lmao
Oh eleem beat me to it
I’m slow
runic hinge
lets all start logging out in the most crazy build
Crab build
normal mist
Did the M0 dungeons reverted to being weekly in S2?
balmy condor
Ye
normal mist
Aye
upper wraith
wtf is even going on. wake up one day and your class is nerfed then wake up another day and we have corruption. Next day fuck it bring back dinars. Maybe next week theyll fix the DC’ing issues but nah we’ll get some more recycled content!
wooden timber
is the 0.3% pool before kingsbane min max only applicable if envenom buff wouldnt fall off? assume envenom buff going into kb more important but want to be sure
humble verge
wtf is even going on. wake up one day and your class is nerfed then wake up anot...
what class is nerfed
royal lantern
wtf is even going on. wake up one day and your class is nerfed then wake up anot...
what
upper wraith
I’m high
humble verge
hes high
balmy condor
is the 0.3% pool before kingsbane min max only applicable if envenom buff wouldn...
Envenom buff going into kb is why we pool, you always envenom->shiv->kb
wooden timber
oh ok i thought the 50-60% energy thing for 0.3% gain was to press more stuff post kb and not for pre kb ty
balmy condor
The most important part of kb are the first 3-5 seconds
wooden timber
balmy condor
After that you can kinda just let it ride
wooden timber
tyty
solar wyvern
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shell kraken
Envenom buff going into kb is why we pool, you always envenom->shiv->kb
When we have two shiv charges? With one, we shiv at the end right?
spice spire
Yes
runic hinge
I changed my name otherwise i woulda said
"I would never have only one charge of shiv"
gilded oasis
rip Tonytwoshivs
or whatever it was
cause my brain has holes
smooth with holes, just like swiss cheese
spice spire
smooth with holes, just like swiss cheese
runic hinge
rip Tonytwoshivs
that was correct
latent grove
improvised seaforium pacemaker heroic track, or myth track tier gloves? I have heroic track gloves rn, and trinkets are hero suspicious energy drink, hero eye of kezan, and hero mechanocore amplifier
true rapids
myth gloves you can farm hero pacemaker
latent grove
truu
runic hinge
a hero signet would also do you a lot of good
hollow talon
did sims update for patchwerk w VV buld
am simming a tiny bit lower than last week w same setup
ok ty
i see it now
velvet cairn
sup, is there any cool assa tech with nelf meld?
viscid spear
west crown
sup, is there any cool assa tech with nelf meld?
No
hollow talon
where can i find the new fatebound ST build
checked wowhead and pins and cant seem to find it
or is the one on wowhead the one we're supposed to use but it doesnt have VV
spice surge
Fatebound doesnt use vv
Because it doesnt get its mutilates buffed by 50% most of the time, like deathstalker does
coral ibex
fatebound uses vanish as a damage cd so it runs imp gar/ma
hollow talon
aight bet ty gamers
velvet cairn
Because it doesnt get its mutilates buffed by 50% most of the time, like deathst...
how big difference is it in st in %? like 1% difference or depends on sim
DS vs fatebound that is
spice surge
Something like that
But like, fatebound gets worse the moment you add literally any other target, so its only really feasible on sprocket
Not "worse in comparison to deathstalker" either
Just worse
It does less damage
haughty flicker
It’s so ass
runic hinge
and also if you low roll its also ass
runic hinge
-300k dps cause i never hit all fight
haughty flicker
To stave away boredom
haughty flicker
Actually though why did they decide to make fatebound the way it is
Who did this to me
hollow talon
i love fatebound it fulfills my class fantasy of being a diablo loot goblin
haughty flicker
Like gameplay wise whatever we don’t have any gameplay anyway
But why does it get worse as you add targets
Reverse funnel op
winter glade
Is house of cards better than signet for 12+ keys?
viscid spear
Is house of cards better than signet for 12+ keys?
digital spindle
is there any benefit to the fact that Deathstalker's marks are not consumed while Darkest Night is active
west crown
long time ago, Whispyr said it was fine to still ambush in opener for this effect because you still get some of the benefits but don't quote me on it
digital spindle
Singular Focus comes to mind
like getting ruptures out with the CP after ambush on prio target maybe? idk
spice surge
is there any benefit to the fact that Deathstalker's marks are not consumed whil...
Singular focus and hunt them down
wanton spear
doe the bleed build like more haste then crit?
spice surge
But like, the darkest night bug shouldve been fixed a long time ago, idk why its still a thing
half tartan
Anyone using Junkmaestro’s mega magnet(on use damage proc from bubkjunker) for raiding? Picked up a mythic one and it seems good on raidbots. Also anyone use geargrinders spare keys(on use aoe proc from Vexie) for m+?
spice surge
Damn, but use magnet during lingering darkness
runic terrace
Can anyone please elaborate to me what 'rupture sniping' means exactly?
spice surge
Use rupture on an add
vast loom
put rupture on mobs that will die soon to gain a bunch of energy
silent parcel
1 cp rupture enough?
silent parcel
true actually
jaunty sky
shiv
runic hinge
ig but garrote refresh like 60 energy
silent parcel
i didnt think that far, guess i meant 2-4 cp enough
haughty flicker
45
runic hinge
If i got ap that shiv hitting 8 things and critting all of them
buoyant herald
The sniping scales with CPs used
So there’s some risk in overcapping energy if you’re not paying attention
silent parcel
Thanks
buoyant herald
Look at your Venomous Wounds talent
haughty flicker
silent parcel
Ye just wondered if there was a cp threshold where it was/wasn't worth
buoyant herald
Well that’ll depend on how much energy you can regain without capping
So like many answers, “it depends” lol
silent parcel
Was more if it was like only worth doing on low cp or high cp, but I understand what you mean ^^ Thanks again
buoyant herald
Plus if you’re talking keys then there’s sudden demise value too
silent parcel
Im dedicating my life to making biggest sudden demise hit
Screw playing optimally or for dmg, we doing biggest single hit
buoyant herald
My biggest is 21m but I’ve seen bigger 😔
silent parcel
Hey 21m is WAY above average, I've heard people are satisfied with only 10m even
quasi ingot
Should i be taking Ascendance/Writhing or 2x Elemental focus lens? (i assume i just sim, but im actually curious if there is a clear winner then why would people use either or?)
buoyant herald
Thanks man ❤️ that means a lot
buoyant herald
Should i be taking Ascendance/Writhing or 2x Elemental focus lens? (i assume i j...
Embellishments are very small effect, not much difference. Pick based on content you do / what crafted items you have that you can craft them on
Ass generally takes Asc/writhing or 2x dawn/dusk rather than ele focus
quasi ingot
alright ty! simming gives me asc/writh as my biggest gain but it wasnt by a whole lot so i was just curious.
quasi ingot
ohhhh
spice surge
My biggest is 21m but I’ve seen bigger 😔
quasi ingot
all i do is keys really lol
buoyant herald
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1357847576866586824/...
Put it away mate
buoyant herald
all i do is keys really lol
2 x dawnthread is worth thinking about then, but you’ll need 2 non-weapon/jewellery bits to craft on
quasi ingot
thats fine cause im looking at crafting 2 items atm aswell.
ty for the help! ill add them to sims and see whats up
buoyant herald
For me it usually ends up like…option 1 is 2% better in ST, option 2 is 10% better in dslice so on the balance of it you take option 2
But it very very much is a tiny minuscule optimisation that you literally cannot get wrong
plush minnow
Anyone know if there are any bugs in the Assa sim for ST?
uneven plume
buoyant herald
Timed 10 drops 16 gilded I think
exotic hearth
If I macro in Signet of the Priory to Deathmark, I do I need to reapply my bleeds? I feel like I remember some things snapshot and others don't
exotic hearth
Ok. That's what I was leaning towards, but wanted to check lmao
quasi ingot
should we be macro'n signet with deathmark?
fleet pagoda
ya
quasi ingot
ok. for some reason i was thinking signet was 30sec faster on CD. thats a huge fumble on my end
exotic hearth
You're thinking deck
quasi ingot
another noob question. but is there a way in the macro to make it a 1 time press or will it always be a double tap to use deathmark/signet?
haughty flicker
its only one press anyway
trinket is ogcd so its used at the same time as deathmark in the macro
buoyant herald
What encounter was that on? Seems like it must be from a damage amp phase or something
I wonder if you could make a Sudden Demise Estimator WA just for funsies
late ravine
What encounter was that on? Seems like it must be from a damage amp phase or som...
I think it was on hobgoblins/chewie in brew
plush iris
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtletly.
viscid spear
keen spruce
-snipe ruptures on them for energy 
buoyant herald
<:rlybro:1194279666014494770>
Which slot are you gonna catalyse
viscid spear
Which slot are you gonna catalyse
The helm has a socket so probably that one.
Plus I have 665 in all five tier slots so I could just not use a charge
slim copper
myth track helm it is
viscid spear
Waiting for sim
buoyant herald
I’ve been playing outlaw most of this season with a 658 MH because terrible drops
And I had THREE myth weapons finally turn up in vault today 😂
dreamy rover
Hey sorry for ping but im desperate. @balmy condor I just destroyed a 15 rookery and got clowned on because of my trash ST damage (I'm playing bleed build). What are common mistakes you see people doing that fucks their ST dmg?
I can link a log if that helps
buoyant herald
He’s gonna tell you that there’s nothing to be done because assass boss damage is trash in keys
viscid spear
Forgot to set the Myth pieces to max ilvl and include a converted piece in sim 
Gotta wait again
limber lion
Hey sorry for ping but im desperate. <@167090536602140682> I just destroyed a 15...
ST is ass
slim copper
Forgot to set the Myth pieces to max ilvl and include a converted piece in sim <...
OOF
limber lion
Get used to it
dreamy rover
He’s gonna tell you that there’s nothing to be done because assass boss damage i...
Im completely aware of sin's shit ST damage, im just under-perfoming compared to other sin rogues
Thats what I need to fix
nova kelp
you got trashed on by ANOTHER sin rogue?
dreamy rover
you got trashed on by ANOTHER sin rogue?
Looking at other peoples gameplay and boss dmg, didnt have a sin in the key
balmy condor
Hey sorry for ping but im desperate. <@167090536602140682> I just destroyed a 15...
how much were you doing
dreamy rover
Im just bad
nova kelp
what ilvl are you?
dreamy rover
Its bad, i see other people doing 1.4-1.5
dreamy rover
what ilvl are you?
667
Pretty good gear
this is my patchwerk st sim
w/ bleed build
balmy condor
aight and the log?
dreamy rover
uploading rn
balmy condor
np
buoyant herald
Does sound low tho, could be group comp/buff stuff. Cd timing. Did you have to do mechanics etc
At that key range you should be getting a second DM in execute range to help you out
I’d have thought
dreamy rover
aight and the log?
linked it in #1359715314790826154
balmy condor
how is that thread still alive
dreamy rover
i must be doing something very wrong
dreamy rover
and you got 1.5 deathmarks
that last use of DM was ass
balmy condor
yeah I mean that means you didn't have an execute dm
slim copper
i know little but why you only have 55% uptime overall on garrote? isnt that a bit low?
dreamy rover
also im not even sure how to throw a DM with bleed build, do i shiv > DM > shiv after 7sec?
balmy condor
i know little but why you only have 55% uptime overall on garrote? isnt that a ...
he doesn't?
balmy condor
also im not even sure how to throw a DM with bleed build, do i shiv > DM > shiv ...
no, you did it right
earnest flume
Also, your sim isn’t really something to base off of here especially since you ran it with all buffs on
deep gyro
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dreamy rover
ok so current mistake list:
consume darkest night earlier to not send envenoms/finishers w/o deathstalker's mark
and keep in mind the deathmark usage during our exec window
balmy condor
darkest night is the highest priority always
and idk, have cooldowns on a burst spec
worn marsh
do you hold deathmark at all to make it land in execute window or just it's nice when it does
buoyant herald
“It depends”
dreamy rover
darkest night is the highest priority always
i also need to understand what the fuck is a dry shiv and why and when should i do it
dude im so lost
buoyant herald
If you’re only gonna get two uses then yes, on pull and for execute
Don’t waste a use holding
Dry shiv is when the stars align to pump env damage so you shiv for further pumping
balmy condor
it's also just not relevant for a bleed build
dreamy rover
it's also just not relevant for a bleed build
i currently use shiv on AOE for insane bleed dmg pumping moments
buoyant herald
Lingering darkness, darkest night, full amp poison stacks
dreamy rover
thats correct afaik
dreamy rover
Lingering darkness, darkest night, full amp poison stacks
aahhhhh gotcha
lingering darkness proc + shiv might be insane
buoyant herald
But yes on bleed build env isn’t that big so don’t freak, save your shivs
For normal shiv usage rules
balmy condor
i currently use shiv on AOE for insane bleed dmg pumping moments
wait
pliant remnant
waiting
jade hemlock
Hey all, just checking out assasination - guides suggest hybrid build is the way to go but lots of hype around the bleed build - any thoughts on which is stronger please
buoyant herald
If you have to ask the answer is bleed
dreamy rover
what the fuck are you doing
is it too bad i dont even get why its so bad?
balmy condor
so you fucked your first boss by using 1 set of 2mins in nearly 4 min
covered that
cool
the second boss, you didn't vanish for your deathmark dawg
wooden timber
am trying fatebound on a dummy/low difficulty sprocket to practice, is fateful ending supposed to be a buff on your guy or something else?
balmy condor
deathmark expired and you vanished after
dreamy rover
the second boss, you didn't vanish for your deathmark dawg
what
wooden timber
i am not seeing it show up in my details at all (cold blood macrod to kingsbane, vanishing while cold blood is up)
wooden timber
can u just never get it if ur unlucky or something
runic hinge
and imp gar
balmy condor
deathmark duplicates bleeds
why would you not want to duplicate stronger bleeds
for fun?
balmy condor
dreamy rover
VANISH WITH DM
balmy condor
dreamy rover
balmy condor
am trying fatebound on a dummy/low difficulty sprocket to practice, is fateful e...
just rng harder :)
you'll get it eventually
haughty lake
Hey everyone! ,Quick question: I’m just getting started with ASSA and I’m trying to figure out what the best talents for raiding are right now. I’ve seen people using a bunch of different setups, so I’m not sure which one is the most optimal. Would really appreciate any tips or a link to an up-to-date guide. thanks!
wooden timber
just rng harder :)
the buff is called lucky coin right
balmy condor
Hey all, just checking out assasination - guides suggest hybrid build is the way...
wowhead definitely doesn't suggest hybrid over bleed