assassination

[hollow river]

its just a WCL bug

[rancid wind]

665 Signet and House of Cards are basically the same in sims, is there anything I'm missing for one vs the other?

[worthy rose]

prob just depends on your luck of which trinket you get

from what ive seen for assassination its basically the same

[fallow canopy]

Your signet could troll if mastery is not your biggest stat

[worthy rose]

with the caveat that youre more likely to get a signet mythic track from the welfare vault

so its the "superior" choice

but all things equal they are about the same

[rancid wind]

i have both at 665, which is hwy I ask

[worthy rose]

ah

[haughty flicker]

equal at equal ilvl

pick whichever one is prettier

[worthy rose]

iirc signet guarantees a 7k or so boost to mastery

house of cards is luck based anywhere from 6k to 8k

theoretically if you get lucky the house of cards is better

but signet is more consistent

[inner fern]

is this where I can come to have my logs ripped apart?

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure signet is less if you dont count the stats you get from other people in your party using one

[haughty flicker]

sims dont account for that at all afaik

[worthy rose]

oh shit youre right @waxen oyster

i was looking at the wrong version of house of cards

house of cards has a better self buff

[haughty flicker]

15s vs 20s

as said

its equal at equal ilvl

[waxen oyster]

But also most people will likely pop their signets earlier

[fathom cosmos]

what kind of players are yall? i swap off subtlety and attempt to give assassination a try and im declined on every mythic+

[waxen oyster]

+some may be using it for a stat you want less of

[haughty flicker]

again, that isnt in the sims value to begin with, its equal without considering that whatsoever

[runic hinge]

It’s basically a gem worth of stats

[waxen oyster]

its really 15 vs 20 seconds

but dm is only 16

hoc also benefits from cdr affix shortening your dm cd

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-fall-and-back-gif-25193110

[runic hinge]

Lingering after dm tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1342263510649933865/caption.gif

[waxen oyster]

Linger this pal

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/nico-nico-nico-nii-yazawa-nico-yazawa-love-live-gif-22117558

[waxen oyster]

But fr

having your signet troll you is a very real concern

especially if you have pacemaker

[rancid wind]

my signet couldnt proc anything but mastery even if pacemaker procs too

[waxen oyster]

Actually put all your stats near equal and then equip mechano core amp, truly let jesus take the wheel.

[runic hinge]

Same now. Week 2 it was a concern

I could actually proc which ever my flask rolled

Had to use mastery flask for raid

[worthy rose]

me when i have 70% mastery

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it means your mastery is a sizeable amount ahead of anything else

We aint taking off cyrce either

[patent gust]

in ST should you vanish before your second set of CDS to apply deathstalker mark

[haughty flicker]

you always have deathstalker mark up

[waxen oyster]

Well you dont want mark not to be up ever

thats banned

[haughty flicker]

or you have darkest night up

in which case you envenom and get deathstalker mark again

[waxen oyster]

Dont go into rik intermission

with darkest night

[patent gust]

is that it dropping off

[waxen oyster]

check mark uptime?

[patent gust]

true

[hallow bane]

!wa

[coral ibex]

idk if im built for fatebound gaming boys

[runic hinge]

Moroes is dead

[coral ibex]

i go to the shadow realm whenever my streak drops

[empty vault]

does anyone know of any tips on how to manage thistle tea proc cds and energy? i find myself running out of energy often and it stresses me out since i cant get my dps in

[coral ibex]

it doesnt matter for ur output

[runic hinge]

Energy just low on the spec

If you’re out of tea charges that means you’ve gotten low enough times already

[severe sparrow]

does feint work on stix circles?

[empty vault]

i see

[empty vault]

so i gotta keep an eye out on how much energy i use?

[chilly marsh]

the blood dmg profile should be +- like this? first time trying it

[runic hinge]

No

You want to use tea for energy that’s what it’s best at

[coral ibex]

yes

[gusty pagoda]

!shiv

[empty vault]

ah i see

i think the issue might be is that im not maintaining my venomous wounds

esp in aoe

[runic hinge]

Keep them bleeds up

[coral ibex]

yep i hate vanishing for edge case

https://tenor.com/view/trash-can-garbage-gif-25079925

[velvet ridge]

yo, you know how like mobs have the eyes when they can see when stealth, what is that, how can i track that

im blind and cant see eyes so i wanna track it on nameplates

[severe sparrow]

i dont think it's trackable 🤔 i tried to find out once because my plates are like right over the eye and im also fuckin blind

[velvet ridge]

trueee

[fleet pagoda]

yep. plater gaslights your knowledge of truesight mobs

[cerulean nest]

damn fatebound really 25k ahead

guess we're doing this

[severe sparrow]

oh apparently there are/used to be some things on wago that would but the list of mobs with sight has to be manually curated by someone so oof

[novel dock]

Hey i want to try bleed build is there a place where can read about? Wowhead/icy vein doesnt seem to have a doc about bleed build

[native turret]

check the pin, its in wowhead too

[cerulean nest]

so for fatebound am I correct that the only gameplay difference is the vanish after first env within KB to trigger Edge Case (and refresh improve garrote)

but otherwise it's identical

[novel dock]

Aha? Ok ill look harder

[balmy condor]

!ban @cyan oracle spam

right....

no bot

[native turret]

got my fortnite cheats

jk

[ornate peak]

What four poisons am I running in M+? I wasn't sure if crippling is worth since ppl like to let them all run and group places.

(I have Atroph not Mind Numbing)

So currently I am just using Atroph, Amp, Deadly. No fourth

[keen spruce]

I normally just run numbing and crippling

[balmy condor]

!poisons

FUCK

I KEEP

[keen spruce]

unless a tank tells me to take crippling off for some reason

[balmy condor]

FORGETTING

[native turret]

crippling

[balmy condor]

yeah

linking guides

insanely based

[hidden bay]

hey, do we play bleed build in +16 and higher????

[native turret]

why not

[hidden bay]

zeross doesnt, everyone knows hes a good player

[coral ibex]

good bait

[drifting cloud]

!mute herp 1s

[native turret]

[hidden bay]

[native turret]

maybe he doesnt because his comp's ST is doody

but bleed feels nuts on everything but one target

and still hitting 1.4-1.5mil ST which isn't like the worst

[low hare]

!rik

[native turret]

i think bot dead

[low hare]

nooooo

[native turret]

but pretty much you tell your raid lead you're not hitting barrels or you swap to sub

[low hare]

im just trying to get the screenshot that i shouldnt be targeting barrels >.<

[native turret]

search up

[low thicket]

Never really looked into it. Does order for poisons matter? I've been doing deadly then amp

[low hare]

that worked

thanks

[keen spruce]

doesn't matter

[keen spruce]

u can rupture snipe them now

[low thicket]

okie dokie

[native turret]

i go big brain and play outlaw on rik :^)

[keen spruce]

[native turret]

your dark mode is oddly purple

[keen spruce]

it's one of the themes

[native turret]

i know i was just meming

[keen spruce]

[native turret]

what is that server

do i wanna join

[keen spruce]

it's just glorps

[cerulean walrus]

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

[nova kelp]

holyshit glorperwhite

lol

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

[low thicket]

[cerulean nest]

fact check?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ornate peak]

I thought I wouldn't do that bad on Assassination coming from Feral. But wow, I suck.

[worthy rose]

build CP and blow finishers

ez as

[balmy condor]

We’re doing what to the finishers

[coral ibex]

can i be a finisher

[fleet pagoda]

don't worry about it bud

[winged basin]

If I wanted a rogue alt specifically for M+ what would I want to pick atm?

[grim jay]

I can do to you what we do to the finishers

[grim jay]

Whatever you enjoy playing

Even more so since its an alt

[winged basin]

fair enough, I was likely gonna play sin anyways, was just curious

[grim jay]

Sub and sin are both good

[brittle shuttle]

Anybody play outlaw as well? How’s it compare to sin like 16+? Feel like every time a key gets bricked it’s at a boss, gettin fed up with the shitty single target dmg

[cunning needle]

play sub for ST

[grim jay]

Wiping at bosses is more often than not a skill issue

Outlaw is just worse

[magic fossil]

its possible to simm, 2 craft itens and they variables together?

like a neck master crit wieh wrist master haste but changing status?

or have to do one by time

[sharp lily]

Top gear can do that

[magic fossil]

fiy, i dont have one of the items

so cant use topgear, need to use "gear" to creat a item that i dont have

[sharp lily]

Search the item and set its ilvl to what you want and change the stats

then you can change the stats or embelishments once its been added

[magic fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[amber brook]

So we prio pooling over maintaining envenom now?

[sharp lily]

For what content?

[amber brook]

M+

[sharp lily]

If you are playing Bleed envenom is pretty unimpactful

[amber brook]

read the updated guide and he placed envenom at the lowest

yep bleed

[sharp lily]

Sanguine blades will do alot more damage than envenom for you

[red schooner]

Hell yeah we snipe now (I was doing it anyway but now I'm justified)

[sharp lily]

So staying above 50% is good

[amber brook]

gotcha

[cerulean nest]

so if we dont get lucky coin in opener are we fucked

[amber brook]

we can rupt snipe bandit, stix and rik now right?

gally too

[red schooner]

Yup

[sick garnet]

Hi, how is sin in ST right now? I played sin in S1 and had quiet some fun but ST fights were boring and i felt like we lack a bit of damage

[red schooner]

Numbers wise, we're doing good in raid. M+ single target we ain't the best but we make up for it in aoe so, balances out

Gameplay wise not much changed this season though other than the dry shiv

[sick garnet]

Alright, thanks! Might give it a try.

[lusty kraken]

so what's the ideal number of targets you should try to snipe?

let's say we are fighting stix, how many adds can I rupture before it becomes a liability?

[amber brook]

i would assume just rupture enough to get energy to keep it rolling

so prob 1 - 2?

[agile wedge]

if whispyr needs content, go into rupture sniping for next video 😄

[wild horizon]

Rupturing mobs is good in M+ because we take the talent which gives Agility for each Ruptures present, I'm not sure you play this build on Stix

Which means you should probably focus on keeping Rupture only on boss for big spatter damage

[subtle tundra]

sniping refers using rupture close to the enemy dying to get the energy

if you can rupture 3-4 times then youre not sniping, youre just rupturing

[plucky canopy]

If u rupture all oft hem at <5% HP left, it is still sniping, just at a faster fire rate

Tho you might overcap energy real quick

[subtle tundra]

after you snipe you get energy, if youre full energy youre not gonna snipe for energy

[grim jay]

Jfk wouldnt agree

[lusty kraken]

the adds on stix die quite fast, surely it's worth rupturing them at high hp

[subtle tundra]

seemed pretty obvious

[grim jay]

Its worth to rupture the bombs potentially, but even that is debatable

[subtle tundra]

who

[plucky canopy]

If they die fast from 100 to 0, it is still close to dying

[grim jay]

John F Kennedy

[lusty kraken]

the previous rule was that you shouldn't rupture if the adds are going to survive less than 8 seconds

now it should be worth doing

[subtle tundra]

if youre gonna rupture for energy and it caps your energy after the first, you dont want to do a 2nd

[grim jay]

There shouldnt be many situations where they live that long

Currently

[plucky canopy]

Yea I know, need to spend the energy before sniping is ethical again

[subtle tundra]

and you aint gonna start rupturing shit when you dont need energy and can spatter

[hot flicker]

Is it st you need to stay above 150 energy? On bleed build

[plucky canopy]

Bleed

[balmy condor]

how are we overthinking "rupture a mob that's about to die" bruh you guys are unreal

[haughty flicker]

[neon lava]

when/why do we dry shiv? We don't hold 2 charges for kingsbane?

[lusty kraken]

we summoned whispyr

[balmy condor]

y'all legit spend so much time thinking about so much absolute rubbish

it hurts

[hot flicker]

Don’t use kingsbane in bleed build

[subtle tundra]

youre the one who made a pin....

[neon lava]

No i mean ST

raid build

[balmy condor]

yeah I got the yap reputation, and then there's just hour long discussions about what "dying target" means man

[red schooner]

Nah. Post deathmark when you have lingering darkness, darkest night and shiv available, send your shiv for the giga envenom

[balmy condor]

is this how book authors feel when their books get read in school

[subtle tundra]

i think it means it has cancer or some other disease...

[balmy condor]

"why is the shirt blue"

[red schooner]

If we didn't overthink pointless things then this channel would be dead

[balmy condor]

bitch I had to pick a color

"he was sad"

bro shut up

[gloomy heart]

I hate non kingsbane builds, kingsbane or riot

[balmy condor]

it's a god damn shirt like be so fr

[subtle tundra]

the black clothing he was wearing signfied the mourning of the death of his emotions towards her

type shit

[gloomy heart]

What has changed with assa since s1? I think raid is the same but m+ is diff builds?

[balmy condor]

what if the mob is dying in 3.5 seconds and not 4

[plucky canopy]

That would be really really bad

[subtle tundra]

chungus

[subtle tundra]

nope. same builds

maybe the no kb thing

[lusty kraken]

I am simming higher with the VV build

[gloomy heart]

this makes me happy

i’m watching whispyrs video on my tv 🤣

[golden loom]

like idk what so hard, adds come out and you are lowish energy with a few combo points? send a rupture, get some bonespike dopamine keep attacking boss wooo get some energy back when mob dies

[balmy condor]

dog that's what I been sayin

[subtle tundra]

yeah whispyr but how many targets should i snipe

[golden loom]

THINKING IS A DPS LOSS

STOP

[lusty kraken]

I really don't see what's wrong with that question

[red schooner]

Do you need energy? Snipe. If you have dots on 4 targets you ain't sniping

You're multidotting

[gloomy heart]

last question, any racials better than all

i saw shindig was mag ofc

orc

[red schooner]

Just pick the one you like the look of

[gloomy heart]

i saw a pic on twitter if you wear a certain pants mog you can see the buttcheeks

[balmy condor]

insanely racial imbalance

[gloomy heart]

so i might go goblin

for that

[night cipher]

I like both orcs, but denying a stun is something I cant give up on

[bronze pike]

make me be a panda paladin

and my life is yours

[red schooner]

But Mr guide writer that tiny boost will surely save my RFWL guilds progress

[lusty kraken]

for the bleed build do you care about the envenom buff at all?

[red schooner]

(only jesus can save my RFWL guilds progress at this point lmao)

[balmy condor]

you don't even care about it with a raid build brother

[gloomy heart]

i need to unwash and gear my rogue

[lusty kraken]

so I just have to afk to keep my energy above 50% and maintain my bleeds

that's it?

[balmy condor]

yep

[lusty kraken]

this is so ass

[red schooner]

My rogue was a troll when he was created and he'll be a troll when he fucking dies

[subtle tundra]

yes it is ass. assassination

[gloomy heart]

yeah ngl i am NOT energy pooling

i will just turn brain off

[lusty kraken]

it's like you people don't even want to play the game

[gloomy heart]

and do button pressing

[balmy condor]

insanely easy spec is insanely easy

more news at 10

[lusty kraken]

you guys are basically playing the wow version of old school runescape

[night cipher]

WOAH! POISON BUILD ANNOUNCEMENT ?!

[golden loom]

thats why I love assa

[red schooner]

I mean it's either that or we don't pool, run out of energy anyhow single target and hit the same amount of buttons

[lusty kraken]

assa is a glorified afk training method

[red schooner]

May as well do the version that does more damage I guess

[golden loom]

no its like 3 tick mining

[bronze pike]

it was better when you had to pool

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

people be complaining that outlaw suffers if there's downtime and uptime so important omg need uptime

and then get a spec that has downtime

and bitch as well

people just be bitchin

[midnight mist]

imagine not benig the top bar

massive dps loss noobs

[golden loom]

which race even is the top one

[red schooner]

Imagine not being Zac it's pretty great

[midnight mist]

orc

[golden loom]

ahhaha horde noob!

[midnight mist]

!!

[balmy condor]

guess

[midnight mist]

maghar !

[golden loom]

idk I only make humans and void/night elves anyways

[balmy condor]

kinda based

[red schooner]

Also hell yeah not on stix prog tomorrow, feels good

[golden loom]

have to play orc on classic and I hate it!

[red schooner]

I make trolls, and only trolls, life is okay

[subtle tundra]

im just a god and dodge all the shit prog bosses

[gloomy heart]

how much dps does drinking monster and eating gushers give you

[golden loom]

im ready to burn some trash and blow up some mines tomorrow

[subtle tundra]

didnt prog stix this tier, didnt prog brood and silken court last tier

[red schooner]

Our issue is initial bombshell damage and also I don't wanna prog that boss so I'm like, OKAY I'LL SIT OUT THANK YOU

Gonna catch up on some books, listen to some music

Gonna be great

[supple spindle]

oh, i know that one

but am i allowed to say it outloud?

[red schooner]

Top race is clearly the 5k, lowest is clearly the half marathon

[supple spindle]

Friend ordered this shirt for me on temu

[unkempt karma]

question, so if we open up and everything spreads

[royal lantern]

its not a elf so its very

[unkempt karma]

when things run out, how do we keep the spreads of ruptures and garrotes? Do we target switch to apply or do we vanish to restart the process?

[royal lantern]

[supple spindle]

the shirt goes wroom wroom extremely hard, doesn't it?

[deft vault]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[visual sun]

WB moroes

[midnight mist]

wtf new pin again

why is there a pin everyday in here

i barelly had time to finish the old one whipsor

noob

[subtle tundra]

you can barely read

[midnight mist]

ye thats what i mean

will take me like one week to finish reading that new pin

and he make a new one every day !

so hard ..

[red schooner]

Just waiting for the video for the pookies

[midnight mist]

there is a video but

it doesnt say for the pookies

so im not watching it

[red schooner]

Ye that's fair

We are clearly not the target audience

[analog field]

The sim for VV vs MA is simmed in patchwerk ? also the only talent i change is VV to to imp gar and MA right ?

[fallen orbit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9NVAS1Lk9zPamJCe3NwfSY

when i do around that dmg my parses shows i do shit dmg 😄 can it be my stats distribution are shit ?

[subtle tundra]

your gear is fine

[normal mist]

We don't really care about stats, must be gameplay

[coarse summit]

What does rupture sniping mean? Is it to rupture a target just before it dies? might be good to clarify the terminology in pin.

[midnight mist]

kinda explain it no?

[red schooner]

Rupture just before it dies, big energy return

[grim jay]

Simdps have barely anything to do with what you will end up with in a raid

[coarse summit]

ty

[grim jay]

Its obviously simmed in patchwerk, as its a St setup

[coarse summit]

you can kinda infer it here, but anything read before that requires you to already know what rupture sniping is.

[grim jay]

Stuff like that is advanced and requires basic knowledge of terms and what the spec does

[midnight mist]

sure i guess idk

what else could it be anywuay

this aint csgo

[lavish hazel]

It is

Shooootttttt

[coarse summit]

idk what else it could be

but people give stuff shit names all the time

[grim jay]

Its explained in the guide tho

Hence basics
There is an explanation section of optimizations

[fallen orbit]

yeah its just i see other rogues doing bigger dmg. like i do mechanics and stuffi almost never die but i feel like we struggle with dmg. witch is not my fault when im first dps but still when i see others i should do more 😄

[sharp lily]

Gotta do that degen shit to parse

[grim jay]

Yeah, that can be a sum of many things, like gameplay, important gear pieces, kill timers, covering buffs, BL usage and all that stuff

[grim jay]

Not really

You can easily have atleast 90+ without degen shit, just playing the bosses

Which I assume he doesnt have

[sharp lily]

Mechanics are dps loss

[grim jay]

You can easily get 90+s with mechanics.

Unless there are a lot of the factors I mentioned above that are suboptimal

[sharp lily]

Nah just refuse to do mechanics

[grim jay]

[sharp lily]

[iron shore]

Is there an easy way (wa maybe?) to see, if adds are inside the caustic spatter range?

[balmy condor]

no

not that you could even do much about it regardless

[iron shore]

Fair enough

[terse talon]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fallen orbit]

true i tell them guys i can do better iff i just dont do anything we dont get enrage that way 😄

[pine fiber]

With the Hybrid build, casting shiv in an aoe pack is not a DPS gain due to it generating a single CP, while FOK would generate CP's according to the pack size, correct?

[red schooner]

It's more that the hybrid build doesn't run arterial and the bonus nature damage on the one target doesn't effect spatter damage

[pine fiber]

Great, thanks for that. Still worth casting in a 2 target situation, like Baron Braunpyke (second boss in Priory)?

[balmy condor]

it's worth casting on up to 4 targets purely because the gcd is worth the single target gain until then

it has no purpose in buffing aoe damage, so if you aren't trying to deal more single target, you can skip it

[pine fiber]

Awesome, exactly what I was looking for. Much appreciated.

[tall atlas]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[tawdry halo]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[arctic shell]

question for the boys. does the mastery from thistle tea add to an already excisting bleed? say if I bleed first and pop tea does it increase the bleed damage or do i have to tea first and then bleed?

[balmy condor]

Yes it does

There are no such snapshots

Stat snapshots are all gone and dead

[arctic shell]

thats very good to hear thank you!

[iron vapor]

No way! I had no idea 🤦

So I can refresh a post-trinket garotte in the pandemic window and it'll make zero difference.

[balmy condor]

Correct

[iron vapor]

Fuuuuuuuuuck, that's so much less mental load.

[red schooner]

I think feral druid is the one spec with snapshotting left up

[iron vapor]

Also shit, means I can already have all my DOTs rolling before hitting the trinkets/potions and stuff and not waste any uptime

[balmy condor]

That is why the openers are the way they are, yes

[iron vapor]

Bold to presume I read those!

[royal hazel]

Blows my mind hearing this.

[wary light]

Fr how you guys been opening? Just popping all your trinks etc at the start and then applying? (for clarification this was directed at CheeseHammer above)

[deft vault]

no

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[wary light]

Not you, CheeseHammer more specifically.

I am aware of how to play the class (vaguely) and that snapshotting does not exist 😛

[iron vapor]

Nah, I get a bit rolling and then hit DM/KB and then my garotte/rupture goes in.

I'll change it now.

Probably only been losing 2 GCDs, but gains is gains

[vast shuttle]

killed mug zee heroic but still says only normal how i fix?

[rotund oak]

New pins

[iron vapor]

Kill it again

[rotund oak]

[red schooner]

On warcraft logs?

Might have been nobody was logging

[wary light]

In your vault or WCL?

[vast shuttle]

on this one

[wary light]

Update the addon

[red schooner]

Might take a bit to update maybe

[wary light]

rio addon is famously horrid at pushing updates

[red schooner]

Though TBF never ran r.io add-on before so no clue

My guild has banned me from forming m+ groups with them due to this

[vast shuttle]

ahh ok

[red schooner]

Because I will just invite the most atrocious pug and roll with it

[candid nacelle]

https://gyazo.com/98218444dfec4e7f345c658a1cb61e6b

This bleed built is CRAZY, during fight i remembered to use shiv haha 😄

4,36B in Motherlode +10

[velvet cairn]

do anyone have a nice plater for tracking rupture + garrote with colors on the hp bar?

[candid nacelle]

iam using CEVs

you also can use Whispyrs

https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[velvet cairn]

hmm do you know if its easy to fix one myself? i have a boomie one i can use as a base

[velvet cairn]

nice one too :))

[hot flicker]

Only thing is the improved garrote that is same need to let it expire and not refresh I think

[velvet cairn]

is whispyrs a "specific" spec one, so if i log my boomie it wont share colors?

[iron vapor]

Same, even when it's my key I'm not allowed to choose people 🤣

[red schooner]

I feel bad declining people sometimes so, we give people a shot

So keys formed by me end up being turbo-scuffed

[frosty nebula]

you go go under plater , buff option and disable all and just add rupture id and garrote id , thats what i did and i only see those 2 debufda

[blissful storm]

quick question about rupture sniping we wanna do it on w/e CP we have or we for example prefer doing it on low CP so we dont waste too many points? And yes I have read it is linear to what cp we spent I just wonder if it is better to do it on low cp or high cp or doesnt matter

[velvet cairn]

i want color different platers, so for instance garrote on = green, rupture = blue, both = yellow

or smth like that, i found one that kinda works

[frosty nebula]

could you link ? ima try it out

[velvet cairn]

https://wago.io/YhVgpHEs2

it becomes a brown ish if u got both garrote and rupture up, purple on ur dm target and green with caustic

[pliant grail]

So how much better is bleed vs hybrid in m+ ? 🙂

[dapper cradle]

Rogue buffs when?

[velvet cairn]

depends on ur sims and what dungeon, smaller pull dungeons is hybrid prob better

[wide ferry]

Woah, were usin ct on st w bleed? Fml i thought it was 2 or more

[velvet cairn]

all bleeds + be over 150 energy

[red schooner]

The 150 energy thing is really going to mess with my need to hit buttons

[warm vortex]

Yo

2 things

One

and 2

Monk had a name that made me think of this place

[radiant raven]

Haha

You should become Accelerat with your rat pals

[warm vortex]

True and based

Also still blasted despite dying pull one

XD

because im a fucking idiot and didn't see the MASSIVE ORANGE CONE

[radiant raven]

oh hey, spinchilling

He's a buddy!

[warm vortex]

Oh he was a fucking beast

Tell him he did amazing please <3

[radiant raven]

Will do! He's an incredibly good player

[warm vortex]

Real talk tho i'm getting super happy w my BM damage

Ik it's braindead class but still stuff to optamize and improve

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah

[coral walrus]

in hybrid build, 2 target, do i mutilate or fok? (also in 3) after mutilate updates

[velvet cairn]

refresh caustic and fok in 2 target if i remember right

[coral walrus]

i think i saw the same was just not sure if it still applied after the 40% buff

[grim jay]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[fast mural]

Did they change something to Sims? i sim way less

[agile wedge]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[royal lantern]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[subtle kiln]

Time to update rupture snipes

[grim jay]

Way less no

[warm vortex]

Just hadf the best rookery group i've had

But we wiped before final boss

Or on final

rathjer

[eager pond]

So, in sumary, now I just chill after aplying bleeds until I have to refresh them?
Nice

[humble verge]

dang, hit a 10.5m SD :d

[grim jay]

You still do the same, just with more bleed maintenance

[eager pond]

But then I forget to cast envenom at multi, at ST too?

Better I read all before ask

[grim jay]

Idk how you could forget anything

Its nearly the same as always

Both on ST and aoe

[alpine latch]

Man, I was so excited about GV today, then I remembered I don't have a helmet or shoulders from s2 so no matter what my vault is useless because it won't give me 4p

[gusty mirage]

you do have a ton of catalyst charges tho

[hearty reef]

more doctored screenshots

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I just need gear to use them on

[gusty mirage]

lmao me with a s1 myth track chest until last week

"I HAVE ALL THESE CHARGES AND NOTHING TO USE THEM ON SICK"

[grim jay]

Doctored?

[grim jay]

Just loot more items

Smh my head

Even my alt has no charges left

[gusty mirage]

why didn't I think of that?

[grim jay]

God knows

[gusty mirage]

how silly of me

[grim jay]

Just do it

Now that you know

[gusty mirage]

okay nike

calm down

figured you were an adidas guy

and yes its because you're german

[hearty reef]

[grim jay]

I do have some Adidas pants and sneakers

[earnest remnant]

just loot the nick of time dagger

cuh

[alpine latch]

But you know he pronounces it Addy Dass

[earnest remnant]

its not that hard

[gusty mirage]

I did after 43 runs

[grim jay]

Adi is actually exactly how germans pronounce it

[earnest remnant]

imagine not having 3 of them after 7 runs

[gusty mirage]

then I got one in my vault

[earnest remnant]

couldnt have been me

[gusty mirage]

so I had myth track

bozo

[alpine latch]

I know, Addy/Adi to me is pronounced the same and I was trying to make it clear what I meant 😂

[grim jay]

Good for you, I was close to doing a memo

[gusty mirage]

I'm convinced Davyn isn't real, and I'm the only person who sees him type

[grim jay]

But oxi would fall in love with me even more

[gusty mirage]

he might be a figment of my imagination

[alpine latch]

sounds like you two just need to smash and get it over with

[gusty mirage]

I told him I would if he sponsors my immigration to germany

still waiting for it

[fast mural]

@grim jay

[grim jay]

Is there anything to sponsor? People come to us all the time for free

[gusty mirage]

I don't want to visit

I want to live there

without a work visa

[alpine latch]

My buddy moved to Costa Rica during covid

Fucking loves it

[gusty mirage]

man cost of living is so cheap down there

I wish I could work fully remote

[dapper cradle]

My gf’s parents did the costa rica thing

[gusty mirage]

I'd move somewhere else immediately

[dapper cradle]

Tons of expats down there

[grim jay]

Thats far from way less and did you check if you have caustic talented? Else it might be the bug thingy in the pins

[gusty mirage]

my salary in not the united states or europe???

[dapper cradle]

Feels kinda bad moving down to costa rica and driving up prices for locals tho ngl

[grim jay]

I mean thats what they do

[gusty mirage]

yeah with work visas

[grim jay]

After 3 years

[gusty mirage]

I don't want to work

[grim jay]

They are citizens

[gusty mirage]

SPOIL ME

OR NO BANG BANG

[sonic schooner]

???

[earnest remnant]

move to monaco with me

[gusty mirage]

okay

[sonic schooner]

OK oxi Côme in here

Luxemburg

[fast mural]

Probably it's bug noth builds have internal bleeding talented

[sonic schooner]

I ll spoil ya

[grim jay]

How about I spoil you, we do the bang bang and do an onlyfans, so all that is our work?

[fast mural]

both*

[gusty mirage]

isn't luxemburg like giga expensive?

[sonic schooner]

For non luxelburgish it is

Cuz you get paid way way less

What do u think it is in monaco

[gusty mirage]

I remember we studied their economy in my international finance class

has a strong currency

or at least had

[sonic schooner]

8€ for à beer there

[grim jay]

Sounds like exactly what it is in germany in a random bar

[sonic schooner]

Un Luxem for 3€ ya have your beer ez

I mean

Luxemburg is one of the richest country

But also pretry weird cuz it s small

[gusty mirage]

and we're right next to belgium for the original "french" fries

idk davyn, Censi is winning right now

[sonic schooner]

All public transports are fully free also

[gusty mirage]

idk what public transportation is

we don't really have that

[grim jay]

Germany sadly doesnt have much to offer right now

[sonic schooner]

Uh

Bus

Suvway

[grim jay]

I do have a big house tho

[sonic schooner]

Tramway

[grim jay]

And im me

[gusty mirage]

yeah we have the shittiest bus schedule ever

[sonic schooner]

I live in à 5 floor house

[gusty mirage]

because ford, general motors, and chrysler didn't want a subway built here

[sonic schooner]

With à wine cave

I used to own à Macdonald

[gusty mirage]

and any type of fast transportation that could lead someone to not buy a car got blocked

[sonic schooner]

I can spoil à lot ya Know

[grim jay]

Why wine cave

Instead of a Sex dungeon

Tho

[sonic schooner]

Well

[alpine latch]

Okay, so if I get a helm or shoulders from my vault today, I can get 4p

[gusty mirage]

why instead of?

[sonic schooner]

I have à spare room

If ya Want wink wink

[alpine latch]

@gusty mirage I can kick my wife out if you wanna move to MO

[dapper cradle]

Censi’s milking room

[sonic schooner]

I only Have 7 bedrooms

And 4 bathroom

[grim jay]

Who needs wine? Im lifting, no alcohol

[sonic schooner]

Lifting dn

[hexed basalt]

everyone needs wine

😄

[grim jay]

Thats how it all began

[sonic schooner]

[velvet cairn]

and bleed build entusiast here?

[rustic zealot]

So we will go fatebound for sprocketmonger? For me sims like 50k above deathslaker

[sonic schooner]

fb for pure 100% single target sounds like the play currently

[grim jay]

Probably most of the people

[grim jay]

You can, wouldnt recommend

[coral ibex]

fatebound is great for when you really want to go full doomer during bosses

idk how many pulls in a row i flipped 6 in a row in the opener and then lost the streak

[velvet cairn]

can u answer a question

[rustic zealot]

I dont want to, but if its 2% ahead i have to 😄

[alpine latch]

What's the best way to farm the Mechano-Core Amplifier?

Just spam +8 delves?

[gusty mirage]

depends if you want it hero track or not

if you want it hero track you're stuck doing bountiful 8s and it's limited on how many keys you have

[obtuse ruin]

why are most chinese rogues still playing kingsbane build? 😮

[glad siren]

hi all

for the bleed build, how important is it to stay above 50% energy?

is it something you guys try to manage pretty effectively? or are there times that you just say f it and roll face like a ret pally would?

[red schooner]

Only sometimes, as a treat

Sometimes I wanna hit buttons despite knowing that I shouldn't hit buttons

Never put me in a room with nuclear launch codes

[glad siren]

lmfao

[paper tapir]

In aoe it’s easy and happens by itself

[sharp viper]

how tf does fatebound sim higher for some on pure ST, for my gear it's a 3.8% dps loss

[glad siren]

i was just watching a few video's of people playin it and aoe it's pretty easy but ST i noticed each of them just were spamming

[sharp viper]

maybe I'm doing something wrong

[glad siren]

it is 50% right? not 50 energy?

[subtle kiln]

Using latest build in raidbots?

[sharp viper]

always

[hollow dirge]

Be carefull with spatter being on whispyr’s pin

[gusty mirage]

correct, but you don't really play around sanguine blades anymore

[cedar flicker]

Rapture 5 targets +++ make energy above 50% almost of times

[hollow dirge]

But it could be just better for your gear

[sharp viper]

I didn't swap supercharger to coldblood

[gusty mirage]

it kinda just happens

[fading socket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ohhZMfGr2KCvNycmWju2Ve

I have only shiet trinks.. what should i really play? Have i even simmed correctly?

[sharp viper]

running sim again, let's see

[paper tapir]

Whispyr said bleed build st you should

[gusty mirage]

yeah in ST

whereas in aoe you're flooding with energy and it kinda just happens

[subtle kiln]

just pull mobs in. Then don’t worry about.

[gusty mirage]

not worth thinking about, we're smooth brain dps

we unga bunga

[sharp viper]

okay fatebound does sim higher in ST now that I've used the correct talents

[glad siren]

Thanks all. I'm gonna spend a few hours on a ST dummy. Try to get calm with the rotation

[spare kayak]

Can you link talents? Want to try them out

[real pike]

yo do the affix orbs count towards target count for CT

[alpine latch]

Does it then come from the bountiful chests? Or does it come from the GV?

[gusty mirage]

both

but for vault you wanna do at least 8s

[alpine latch]

I haven't touched vaults since week 1 of s1

fml

Gotta look up how to do those shits again

[light jacinth]

@waxen oyster no glaze.. im washed

like @earnest remnant

[glad siren]

Just run keys at 10 for myth track vaults

Ezpz

[earnest remnant]

the fuck am i catching flag for

im not old

like you

mfer

+30 lookin ass

[paper tapir]

P sure

[real pike]

that's actually massive

[light jacinth]

you havent seen me

i dont look 32 thanks

[earnest remnant]

nah more like 42

[light jacinth]

god i wish

[glad siren]

I'm so old I'm retired

😦

[light jacinth]

im not making it to 42

[earnest remnant]

not if you keep acting up like that to me

[hardy rapids]

Both of you are old

[frank trench]

Bleed question I am having some sort of prio issue I think. In giga pull groups. Should I focus on getting like 7-10 garotte and ruptures out. Or should I focus on getting out death stalkers mark with an ambush then ripping multiple crimson tempests to get shiv out. I feel like I am spending too much time getting ruptures and garrotes out perhaps.

[coral ibex]

well you wouldn't be hitting multiple CT's

you just refresh it

[frank trench]

I can’t figure out why some pulls I’m ripping 9 million and some only like 5

[coral ibex]

i suggest getting max scent stacks then apply CT then continue spreading bleeds

[rigid sphinx]

What you meen by multiples tempest ???

[frank trench]

Doesn’t crimson tempest have a unit cap?

[coral ibex]

no

it just does reduced damage after 5

spamming it will do nothing except waste energy and cp for no damage

[frank trench]

Ok then I really can figure out why I’m doing 9 v 5 lol

Cause right now I only been sending once

[static glacier]

Real talk

We need a buff to our thematic power

[frank trench]

But the stealth break window I should be jamming garotte and ruptures right ?

[static glacier]

I can’t imagine a rogue fighting a dk one on one and surviving

[rigid sphinx]

Y during subterfuge

But dont rupture mobs that will not live

[static glacier]

Technically during IC, subterfuge ends after 6s

Key difference is that you can ambush to apply deathstalkers mark during subterfuge while IC lasts longer

If you’re playing bleed build it can be worth demisemaxxing rupture

[glad siren]

i was starting with ambush and then going into garotte and ruptures to spread them

[static glacier]

2x rupture demise > spattered regular envenom

[royal lantern]

isnt everything dying in some way

our time is limited, death is final and cant be avoided

so rupture nothing

[static glacier]

You better watch out before I rupture your next cookie

[frank trench]

lol so maybe I am playing it right just can’t figure out why my dam is twice as high sometimes maybe my CT isn’t landing on everything or something I’ll have to keep digging

[rigid sphinx]

If you play bleed, you should see Tempest first dps, caustic and sanguine quite high i guess

[proud pelican]

Can anyone confirm if I’ve killed a boss in the past, but didn’t kill it this past week, is loot from that boss still able to be in my vault?

[spice surge]

Yes

[proud pelican]

Ty eleem

[golden loom]

Heroic sprocket was at 20% hp before I got my fatebound capstone

never touching this godawful spec again

[frank trench]

Yeah it’s always giga high dmg

[rigid sphinx]

Maybe sim yourself on some 1min mobs end see if your close

8/9 targets

[grand trail]

Where assa buffs

[willow wren]

Improving the public perception of assa 1 weekly key at a time

[gusty mirage]

thank you for doing your part

[red schooner]

Wait no we don't want to be seen as good in the public eye

Gotta keep our heads low to duck the nerf bat

[gusty mirage]

there aint nothing worth ducking for

[spice surge]

Ye theres a couple of posts a week here with somebody going "i thought assa was dogshit but im doing really good damage????"

Idk guess nobody plays rogue

[willow wren]

there are at least 5 of us

[red schooner]

I thought you were all the other voices in my head

[pure moth]

6

[grim jay]

Just ask in here

[wide ferry]

Ima get 3 mythic belts watch

[velvet cairn]

do we refresh a pandemic bleed or use darkest night in st?

[grim jay]

Darkest night has highest prio

Due to pandemic windows being decently long, you should always be able to refresh after DN envenom tho

[velvet cairn]

alr alr

i mean in bleed build st that is

[rustic zealot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/txyBKCKC6xc5AXT3FdStN5

[thick juniper]

good morning! should be shiv before or after deathmark?

sorry, for bleed build

[velvet cairn]

dm to shiv

[thick juniper]

ok ty!

[alpine latch]

As a 40 year old, I take offense to that

[grim jay]

Still same answer

[hearty seal]

eh, I dunno, we've been at this thematic power level somewhere since WotLK or so?

[wanton spear]

so looking at random mythic rankings, thats gotta be an exploit somehow for that chinese rogue with 2x passive champ track delve trinkets to be near top 10 right lol on stix

[hidden bay]

he just hits the boss and cleaves on adds

got the ball once but ran straight into boss

[static glacier]

idk Im pretty sure rogue has to be the weakest class thematically speaking

[wanton spear]

@static glacier we avoid nerf's and buff's by being invis, seems pretty on brand

[quartz kelp]

i just assumed they do since the dot actually goes on them

[hearty seal]

I can see where you're coming from and I do feel the same, but I also think we've been here since forever, and somehow all the new stuff didn't really elevate the class fantasy past WotLK
like Killing Spree and Shadow Dance/Secret Technique are still the peak of Rogue power somehow (and Assa has nothing even on that level lmao, KB is just a strong poison and DM is anything but flashy and outwardly powerful)

[quartz kelp]

.

[eager pond]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[wanton spear]

@hearty seal petition to bring back vendetta? idk

that shit was just fun to say

throw a thick russian accent onto it

[real pike]

ngl everyone keeps saying they're doing big dam with the bleed build and I'm just...not

being bad sucks

[wanton spear]

@real pike it takes a little getting used to but it deffinantly pumps

[hexed pumice]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[hearty seal]

yeah bleed build is dope

[hearty seal]

meh, it's basically a stronger hunter's mark, not nearly as evocative as even Killing Spree

[wanton spear]

but it was our hunters mark lol

[hexed pumice]

praying i won't be kicked after today's rik first attempt 🙏

[wanton spear]

bring back swirly ball imho

we need a raid that brings back like bwl vibes where rogues could disarm traps and were invaluable,

or idk we're the only pure dps class without lust aren't we

[gusty mirage]

warlock

[hexed pumice]

no lust no bres (y)

[hearty seal]

I figure Sub is probably the most "powerful" in terms of class fantasy
shadow magic and clones and spamming teleports to always be behind someone

[swift bluff]

Late confirmation but yes they do. It’s awesome for boss fights. I see them and immediately rip a fat CT before someone dispels them all

[wanton spear]

lock gets healthstones and summon, litterly lock is the robot that passes butter, they can be the shittiest player you still bring them for summon and cookies

[gusty mirage]

warlock just has 8000 other fucking forms of utility where it doesn't matter

[hearty seal]

demon gates are decent for skips sometimes

[gusty mirage]

healthstones, summon, gateway, their own teleport, etc

[wanton spear]

like, what do we bring other than atrophic poison?

[gritty laurel]

damage

[gusty mirage]

"damage"

[hexed pumice]

the only utility we have for raid is atrophic poison, and ppl dont even know about it tbh XD

[hearty seal]

raid-wise? nothing else lmao

[hexed pumice]

it's pretty decent, like 4,3% dmg reduction is big isn't it

[hearty seal]

3.6%

[wanton spear]

thats what i mean, we litterly are a pure dmg class that is out classed by every other class lol

[gusty mirage]

atrophic is solid, no doubt

[hexed pumice]

but master poisoner buffs it?

0,2 x 3,6

[hearty seal]

it's 3% baseline, x1.2 = 3.6

[hexed pumice]

ah

[gritty laurel]

pretty sure the tooltip accounts for master poisoner

[hexed pumice]

kk

[gusty mirage]

ye it does

[wanton spear]

cool cool, we bring dmg, there is a total of 2 outlaw rogues among all rogues on top 10 for overall dps on every boss in the raid lol

[hexed pumice]

so it's like 5600 versa in terms of dmg reduction

[wanton spear]

oh and one assa

[hexed pumice]

not the worst... i guess xD

[neat smelt]

anyone tried FB on sprocket yet? only see 2 public logs with it

[wanton spear]

guys remembe when pickpocket did something other than get random orc diaries

[gusty mirage]

no

but I do remember when they nerfed crimson vial in preperation for Shadowlands where we were going to get pickpocketable buffs to compensate

and they announced it at blizzconline

ANY DAY NOW GUYS

SURELY

[wanton spear]

i think it was wotlk we could get epics and shit that were rogue only

[gusty mirage]

at least we can get bubbling wax for that juicy 0.1% dps gain over whetstones

[hearty seal]

cata had the last rogue leggo

[limber swallow]

at least it's free.

[gusty mirage]

tbf edge of night could've been a leggo

[hearty seal]

(that is, not counting Legion legendaries that everyone got)

[gusty mirage]

true, whetstones are kinda expensive af

[wanton spear]

hmmm lets see, disarm trap. does nothing now, pickpocket. does nothing. detect traps, taken away.

[gusty mirage]

just get the glyph

and disguise yourself as the mob you pickpocketed

[wanton spear]

that shit is so cancer

it bugs your character model all the time and u just stand there

[hearty seal]

unironically just make them en masse on my warrior alt, I have enough resources to make like 400 more before even having to restock

[gusty mirage]

they had to cut costs somewhere, and most of it was on model animation apparenty lmao

[wanton spear]

lmao, i would never use any other toy than the one that turns you into an ethereal if they actually had animations

[hearty seal]

ethereals as a player race in 12.0, trust

[wanton spear]

just like how tinkerer/warden/arch druid, tank rogue ami rite

[hardy rapids]

Have you tried being younger

[wanton spear]

i mean we did end up getting demon hunter, the next class that would make sense is warden.

[hearty seal]

huffing hopium for gunslinger rogue

[gusty mirage]

I did, but then my back started hurting. Help

[halcyon grail]

The thrown weapons in our ranged slot, yes. They came from lockboxes.

[wanton spear]

just make outlaw a rogue tank spec, boom done happy

make riposte like our version of spell reflect

evasion our shield wall

[hearty seal]

I think you mean Brew done happy
it won't be the worst tank anymore

[wanton spear]

isn't brew the meta as of today

with the buffs

[hearty seal]

dunno

p sure it won't outpace VDH for M+ yet

maybe for raid

[wanton spear]

change sub to a D&D style cross bow rogue lol

[hearty seal]

tbh I've thought a lot about this and yeah
back in vanilla, Sub and Assa were basically half of a spec each identity-wise
one is good at backstabs and stealth, one is good at backstabs and poisons
whew, such identity

[wanton spear]

i mean in vanilla if you raided as anything other than combat daggers, you were wrong

[hardy rapids]

I’ll crack your back in a freaky way

[hearty seal]

combat swords was at the very least comparable, no?

but yeah, it was still combat either way
and combat actually did have an identity, even if it was basically "craftier fury warr"

[wanton spear]

nah combat daggers was leagues ahead of everyone else

trying to explain to the other rogues in the raid that being anything other than combat was why they did no damage, when i forgot what it was called the og damage meter came out

[hearty seal]

recount?

[wanton spear]

was it recount

[hearty seal]

I think it was? ngl I don't remember vanilla

[alpine latch]

I did, it was fun while it lasted

[golden loom]

Full bis swords is better

[wanton spear]

it was like 20 years ago, just makes us feel old thinking about it lol, opeing the aq gates. the scourge invasion when naxx launched. attuning to MC god the glory of days of world of walking, and not being able to afford a mount.

[hardy rapids]

That’s good :D

[clear oar]

yoooo myth legs or dagger

[golden loom]

Full bis swords and full bis daggers sim pretty much equal but sword spec can just rng for giga parses

[alpine latch]

Bro I miss combat

Fuck Outlaw

[hearty seal]

don't we all

[wanton spear]

bring back combat

remember in bc pvp duel wield mace perma stuns

[alpine latch]

Outlaw just feels like I'm playing DDR mashing as many possible buttons per second that your keyboard will allow you to slam

[hearty seal]

either finish remaking Outlaw into a pistol spec
or bring back Combat

[wanton spear]

till i got glaives and just slapped, still bullshit we can't xmog our glaives they are swords damnit

[gusty mirage]

ew

[hearty seal]

I fuckin hate warglaives as a weapon class from game design perspective
they literally exist for one class only, and will never be used by anyone else
AGI daggers also have this issue, as do all ranged weapons, but that is more of a "other specs stopped using those weapons for anything" issue

while warglaives were just designed for DHs only

[wanton spear]

i don't mind the warglaive thing, what i do mind is changing an item that was a sword into one and all the people who busted there asses to get them when they were relevant just have them sit in their bag and collect dust now

[hidden bay]

I can’t wait to open my vault tomorrow and loot Jastor

[hearty seal]

sure thing buddy

[slim copper]

that ring looking REAL spicy today

[hearty seal]

post when you get it

[wanton spear]

when we had the mythic + weekly we had a 5 stack all get jastors lol

[hidden bay]

[wanton spear]

like all 5 of us looted jastor from our cache

[hardy rapids]

It’s been 9 years since legion released. Outlaw is going to be older than combat in a few years. If combat was still around I’m sure it would have pretty much the exact same playstyle as outlaw

[wanton spear]

at this point pinnacle cache's should give heroic gear

[slim copper]

i dont know if its even worth letting this sim finish. Thats 8k mastery on a ring

[white marten]

Wow, nice

[wanton spear]

what i don't get is why outlaw rogues can't use a dagger in the mainhand, yea its bad but like not even the option... how the fk u gonna tell me my rogue forgot how to ss with a dagger

[hearty seal]

my caches drop total shit every single time
I've done like 15 hero ones since the expac started
not a single one dropped anything worthwhile (like not even items that would be an upgrade in terms of secondary stats, much less anything good like a trinket or a rare raid item)

[arctic shale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Whispyr's Plater

[real pike]

is it possible to analyse key logs the same way as raid ones?

always up for being told exactly how I suck

[slim copper]

yes

[low thicket]

Booty vault 😦

[magic fossil]

mythic dagger, any ideias? take it and changed ascendance on craft dagger for something else in belt/boots

shit vault

[slim copper]

i came here for booty

[real pike]

depending on where you are in your raid we're deffo at the 'wait and see what you get this week' part of the season

I got mythic dagger in vault last week, waited and the dagger dropped from rik

then I took mythic tier legs to be greedy and 2 dropped from Stix

[slim copper]

must be nice doing mythic content lol

[clear oar]

im just an m+ andy

[real pike]

ahh then deffo dagger

you have no other source

[low thicket]

should be rocking mythic dagger and crafted ascend dagger

[wanton spear]

oof thats rough i take the mythic priory trinket even if i have heroic house right?

[real pike]

depends on other options but probably a sim angle

[hearty seal]

p sure yeah

[real pike]

sick will log next couple of keys I do

[hearty seal]

13 item levels ain't nothing to scoff at

[bold jetty]

So I'm progressing Mythic Bandit with my guild and we are struggling with adds damage, should I swap to adds as assa or just cleave them? Any tips?

[hearty seal]

ehhh
I'm sure I'll see some fucking boots in my vault tomorrow yet again

[hidden bay]

i hope you get the worst vault possible

[hearty seal]

every week it's at least one pair of boots (had 675 crafted since week 2)

[hidden bay]

[hearty seal]

p sure you don't have to hope

[hidden bay]

wrong mindset

you always gotta hope for the best

[gusty mirage]

I already posted it tho

[hidden bay]

you literally dont play the game

[hearty seal]

nah my luck stat is like
below average
not in a disastrous way, but like, if something is truly random (dice rolls, RNG loot, etc), it will fuck me over pretty much always

[gusty mirage]

wtf

yes I do

[hidden bay]

OH YEAH??

[gusty mirage]

I MEAN KIND OF

[hidden bay]

why are there only 2 vault options in your screen????

[gusty mirage]

I did 1 whole key and 2 delves last week!

[hidden bay]

[wanton spear]

lets check rogue #2

[spice surge]

Im convinced im gonna get house of cards and/or jastor, but in my heroic slots rather than the mythic one

[hidden bay]

[gusty mirage]

this is the way

[real pike]

if you can get jastor mythic you've already completed the season 😭

[hearty seal]

fuck, it's delve weekly (on EU), isn't it
...I don't feel like it, fuck it, it's a shitty champ item anyway

[spice surge]

Number can always go up

[real pike]

I think I've done like 2 weeklies this tier so far

just get the catchup sparks

[hearty seal]

also 1 week till 11.1.5, no sign of dinars/bullion/cartel chips as of yet

[real pike]

or down sometimes in my case

[hearty seal]

did Ion lie to us

[lethal arrow]

big neck

[hidden bay]

buy mythic boe neck

[royal lantern]

lol

the buffs are like

small drops

[waxen oyster]

What caused the sim decrease from last reset again?

dont recall

[royal lantern]

iirc, it didnt consume the mut/ambush buff from deathstalkers mark

[wanton spear]

well that was ez shit in the outlaw rogues vault, xept myth shoulders