assassination

[woven pewter]

cool

[gray pecan]

bleed is still better than envenom build for m+?

[balmy condor]

yes

[mystic meadow]

In the bleed build tempest in singeltarget?

[fallow canopy]

Yes

[mystic meadow]

nice then i was doing the right thing

[dawn seal]

Is 7 min 40 secs too long for 1st boss kill timer

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

I pugged a 5.5

[dawn seal]

Pmg quake my man

Pls do me a log review king

I beg u

[haughty flicker]

[dawn seal]

😭

[balmy condor]

7:40 was fairly normal

5 weeks ago

[spice spire]

Nvm it was a 6:38

Ok

I’ll log review

[balmy condor]

15 item levels ago, 7:40 was fine

[spice spire]

Sometimes you’re just bad at mechanics

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess

but a full 2:30 minutes bad at mechanics is pretty insane

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ALFnNG9TmM4zVh1W?fight=24&type=damage-done&source=60

It was yday

It's 7.40

I need to know why it's blue

[balmy condor]

cause you're killing in 2 intermissions at 7:40

[dawn seal]

Oh

[balmy condor]

you're getting the same amount of damage amps as a regular kill

[haughty flicker]

yeah this is just you guys taking way too long to do the mechanic lmao

[dawn seal]

I feel like I might have major rotational mistakes

[balmy condor]

except you're doing it 2:30-3 min slower

[dawn seal]

When u add kill timer plus 661 ilvl

Can it be blue

Or I lvl is not big

At all just kill timer

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah it can be blue

[dawn seal]

[balmy condor]

clearly it is

lmao

[velvet cairn]

you could improve rupture and garrote, otherwise its just a piss timer on kill

[balmy condor]

your burst phase was fine

[haughty flicker]

you're doing the basics fine, just tell your raid to do bikes better

lol

[balmy condor]

the bikes are kinda fine too

they're just fucking carrying 3 npcs

[haughty flicker]

oh lemme check other dps

[dawn seal]

What about my fan of knives

[haughty flicker]

[velvet cairn]

when your guild gets better you could also save prepot until first dmg intermission

[dawn seal]

I think I did too much

[balmy condor]

there's 3 dps competing with the tank on a fight that im not sure how you die on

[dawn seal]

On intermission adds were too much

[haughty flicker]

the warlock barely beat the holy priests

[dawn seal]

[balmy condor]

yeah, having 3 carries will do that

you're top damage on the mechanics

[dawn seal]

Huh

Can u check my rik I need to go home to find it

But I just tunnel boss

[balmy condor]

this is our mechanic damage, I padded out of my mind for it

[haughty flicker]

tunnel boss yes

[balmy condor]

vs you

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

your raid is just afk

[dawn seal]

👀

[balmy condor]

idk

[dawn seal]

HOW

[spice spire]

Yeah there’s no log review necessary on this one chief

[balmy condor]

follower dungeon type raid

[haughty flicker]

you're raiding with duty support npcs

[dawn seal]

It was a pug guild run

[velvet cairn]

caustic spatter, your raid is highly ethical

[dawn seal]

I found they seemed coolio

Healers are really goated

[coral ibex]

welcome to learning that parsing with shitters in your raid is almost impossible

[balmy condor]

I'm sure they're lovely people

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

they just don't do any fucking damage

[coral ibex]

you need better people in your raid to get good logs sorry

[dawn seal]

Our healers were insane on 2nd boss idk how I survived

[balmy condor]

they're doing like 2mil

[dawn seal]

Except I didn't cuz I yeeted myself at bomb

[haughty flicker]

its a fine line

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

you need people good enough to ensure good kill time but bad enough you can still pad

[spice spire]

8m cauldron

[haughty flicker]

these people are not on that line

[dawn seal]

Brother man

This was their first time on boss

But holy

[spice spire]

That’s fair but that’s a toughie

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

8 minutes cauldron of carnage???

it doesn't enrage before that???

[velvet cairn]

thats a fire dmg profile

[haughty flicker]

thats the most based boomkin ive ever seen

[dawn seal]

Huh

[coral ibex]

[dawn seal]

I am going to subway

I ll be back I am sorry guys

U are fun to hangout

[spice spire]

Like the restaurant?

[severe sparrow]

I think it enrage-kills at like 8:10 or something

[spice spire]

You’re good

Miss you

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

love yourself more than subway

please

you can do better

[balmy condor]

dawg I clicked on a dps doing tank damage expecting them to have died at like 4 min

[velvet cairn]

this is like someone having 2nd acc up and just doing inital burst and just going on their other acc to play rest of fight

[balmy condor]

they're allive

[severe sparrow]

My guild pushed it the first kill cuz we have a lot of npcs also

[balmy condor]

they're all alive

demons

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[bright tartan]

They focused on mechanics

[balmy condor]

on cauldron, yes

[haughty flicker]

yeah you just dont understand giving up dps to be a team player

[balmy condor]

mechanically intensive fight

[haughty flicker]

parse lord whispyr

smh

[balmy condor]

mb

understood captain

[golden loom]

idk how thats possible, we did a 7:20 min cauldron 3 weeks ago, WITH 16 DEATHS

[balmy condor]

@dawn seal you're doing the thing again dawg why are we going on a magical journey I thought I beat this out of you last tier

[amber brook]

my cauldron was 8:20....

[haughty flicker]

i can probably find some demon cauldron pulls

[spice spire]

There are demons afoot

[golden loom]

this was still a kill

[balmy condor]

but yeh idk rik looks fine

pray for better barrels

[haughty flicker]

our kill a couple weeks ago

[balmy condor]

not that it matters, you won't get the DPS check on rik

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

[golden loom]

idk this cauldron boss is always a fucking disaster that still just dies

[bright tartan]

Its in the name

Carnageerr

[coral ibex]

@golden loom more sprocket tn... its fatebound time https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3WPb8zuJNDACfkrUBWSC44

[golden loom]

praying for you big dog

[coral ibex]

surely going more afk in the brain will help

[golden loom]

I mean the boss is legit 98% standing still autoing the boss, 2% BLOWING UP

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

can confirm, hardest part of sprocketmonger is trying to stay awake

I jolt up in my chair when I get picked to do a bomb

and then immediately honkshoohonkshoo

[golden loom]

I mean I always get the mine next to boss anyways

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[velvet cairn]

i enjoyed sprocket, it was like what i liked about silken but single target and not cringe timings

[golden loom]

or actually, on 2 doomed pulls yesterday I got the last mine THAT WAS IN THE VOID ZONE OVERLAP

[haughty flicker]

im looking forward to spending 150 pulls on this boss now

[spice spire]

[fallow canopy]

Sprocket is fun

[golden loom]

yeah I like the boss

kinda should be dead by now tho

[balmy condor]

I was scared sprocketmonger would be dogshit mechanic spam like painsmith

but I was pleasantly surprised to know that it's just afk on boss

[golden loom]

from what I have gathered tho its fucking aids for the tanks

[fallow canopy]

Ranged tho... but fuck ranged players

[balmy condor]

and then I realized that it's just dogshit target dummy spam

they just can't get it right

it's either infinite mechanics or literally none

[velvet cairn]

whispyr is ur logs on bandit public?

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

we haven't killed sprocket

[spice spire]

It’s like fine for tanking. It’s legit just a pattern

[velvet cairn]

anyone got bandit logs on mythic? :x

[haughty flicker]

ono

[balmy condor]

should be plenty of bandit logs no?

[golden loom]

yeah but like moving it and then it starts casting and low autorange on it and whatever, I dont really know im just hitting the boss

[haughty flicker]

what if my tanks never learned pattern recognition

[spice spire]

It’s just pre moving

[balmy condor]

probably hundreds of assa kills on bandit

[spice spire]

He casts in a pattern every time

[balmy condor]

just take one of those

[golden loom]

tbh tho, atleast its a perfect pallet cleanser after that motherfucker stix

[velvet cairn]

true true

[bright tartan]

Cognitive abilities issue

[spice spire]

I’m a dogshit tank alt and even I recognize the pattern pretty easily

[balmy condor]

yeah for 30 pulls, not 150

[golden loom]

yeah we are on 83 or somethin atm

[coral ibex]

we're just waiting for the ranged to get it together

[haughty flicker]

imagine not just playing boomkin on stix

[coral ibex]

ranged cannot die ever in our raid

[haughty flicker]

and pressing starfall 129 times

[coral ibex]

or we get melee drills

and then its doomed

[golden loom]

like the fight is solved but it just needs to die

[hardy rapids]

I-I thought painsmith was cool…..

[coral ibex]

we've gotten to 17%

[fallow canopy]

it do be like that

[golden loom]

our best pull is 13% but was with a bunch of dps dead

[balmy condor]

and you're allowed to think that no matter how wrong you are

[coral ibex]

if we all live thru 2 knockbacks the boss will die

[balmy condor]

painsmith is one of my least favorite fights of all time

[coral ibex]

but like

pls

[violet jackal]

Painsmith was a fantastic fight

[hardy rapids]

The intermission was insanely long but he’s so flavorly cool

[coral ibex]

i missed almost 8 hours of sprocket prog last week and i can't believe it lived that long

[hardy rapids]

That whole raid is hell though

[dawn seal]

Oh no

[balmy condor]

painsmith for me lives with the rest of the greats like stone legion generals, kel'thuzad, and silken court

[spice spire]

Don’t ever slander the grue like that again

[dawn seal]

Is this me first boss going to put oil away

[royal lantern]

dont say the name KT

[dawn seal]

Cuz i got a circle

[balmy condor]

just top tier grade A fights to make you uninstall and never want to play the game ever again

[waxen oyster]

whispyr forgot ghuun

[royal lantern]

i still have PTSD from that fight + my dumbass log experience afterwards

[balmy condor]

brother, ghuun doesn't even make the top 10 for worst fights

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

idk i feel like silken court made me hate my raid members more than i hated the fight

i didnt want to uninstall the game

[dawn seal]

Silken court was so fun

Wooo

[coral ibex]

i wanted to uninstall myself from the raid team

[waxen oyster]

Am i allowed to put xymox twice

[hardy rapids]

Stone legion heroic was fucking cool

[waxen oyster]

on top 10 worst bosses

[royal lantern]

only really shity part of ghun, was that i was forced to play sub for it cus of the mobility needed

[velvet cairn]

xymox in sepulcher was not that bad

[violet jackal]

Technically yes but sepulcher xymox was fun

[balmy condor]

you're insane

[coral ibex]

silken court was actually so simple and it was made impossible by completely fried wow players who can't run in a circle

[balmy condor]

I get a lot of shit for hating painsmith so much

but god damn

[dawn seal]

Do u ever put a rupture on a dying add to get energy

[balmy condor]

you can, yes

[dawn seal]

Or is it bad and a big loss

Oh someone said it'd a bad thing

[waxen oyster]

Idk

[dawn seal]

But I beliebe whispyr

[royal lantern]

"good heroic fights but really horrible on mythic" is a theme we get quiet often now

like, NP was a really good heroic raid, but on mythic it was weird as fuck

Current raid is REALLY good for heroic, but holy shit its 1 of the worst raids ever done on mythic

[waxen oyster]

cn xymox is so shit

[coral ibex]

if it dies instantly its basically a waste of energy and cp

[balmy condor]

well it's also bugged in a good way and they don't know that

so

I believe me too

[haughty flicker]

our turn to bug abuse

[dawn seal]

But u get full energy

If it dies

Kind of

[coral ibex]

and you spent how much energy on the cp + rupture cast

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

I mean that's also not how that works

[violet jackal]

Heroic raiding feels zzzzz by week 3

[velvet cairn]

biggest problem for blizz is trash, who the hell likes trash and why is there so fucking much

[coral ibex]

you just converted energy into energy which is not doing damage

[dawn seal]

Injust pull up a fat min 5 cp rupture and put on a dying add

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[dawn seal]

And then tunnel boss

[coral ibex]

the closer to 8 seconds or more that it lives

the better it is

[low thicket]

Trash! Trash! Trash!

[balmy condor]

it's good always

but yes

[hardy rapids]

Trial of the crusade

One of the worst raids ever

No trash

[velvet cairn]

yeah but like this raid

way to much trash

[balmy condor]

really?

this raid doesn't really have all that much

[dawn seal]

Get big energy voom

[balmy condor]

but maybe it's cause we just deathskip everything idk

[hardy rapids]

This raid has like no trash at all

[red schooner]

it does when you have maniacs who can't drive

[velvet cairn]

i mean before skip is terrible, and deathskips we do is always scuffed

[golden loom]

The new SoD raid has a really cool thing Rogues can do to legit kill all trash

[haughty flicker]

its not as bad now that you can skip all the trash before oab

[red schooner]

the second they get in the car they will pull every mob in a 50 mile radius

[violet jackal]

Car mounts banned use ground mounts

[golden loom]

you can like stealth into the raid and ring a bell and the trash gets killed by a boss and then your raid can just come in

[red schooner]

we tried that but sometimes when you're not looking, they're in a car

[coral ibex]

i love deathskips!!!

i assume your raid doesnt troll and get caught in combat the whole time

and prevent the rezzing/summs

[haughty flicker]

i feel like if you feel obligated to death skip theres too much trash

lol

[balmy condor]

we're not obligated to

but why would we not do it

even if a warlock forgets to soulstone, there's jumper cables

[nova aspen]

when u deathskip to save time, thats when u know raid has too much trash i think

[hidden bay]

when next whispyr stream???

[balmy condor]

your entire raid has ahnk there's literally 0 downside

[balmy condor]

couple hours

[coral ibex]

its just too easy to chain pull all the trash accidentally

[spice spire]

Is net fixed?

[balmy condor]

who knows

[spice spire]

Did I miss the lore?

[balmy condor]

speed test says no

[spice spire]

Even when sleepy whispyr

[balmy condor]

but

[spice spire]

God bless

[balmy condor]

yeh I took a nap

no sleep today

too busy having brain explode with the rotation tool

[alpine latch]

Do you need any help with it?

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

I was about 5 minutes away from embedding a guide into a guide into my guide

[royal lantern]

i think its just sooo dogshit that this raid had multiple "lol you need specific comp" walls

like, what the fuck is that even

they always shut down class stacking kinda quick, and for good reason

and at the same time you could reach OAB and then its "lol have your spriests ready or wait until we nerf it xd"

if they want each class 1x in the raid, they should not make class stacking to a bigger degree mandatory until they nerf stuff a couple times lol

[balmy condor]

no

[golden loom]

typing BIS Wowhead guide Wowhead into google dot com

[alpine latch]

I assume something like that is more of a "it's harder to review what someone else did than to do it myself", but you got a lot of people here willing to help lol

[balmy condor]

also since when do you know wowhead's markdown language

[velvet cairn]

true but most of specific comps are nerfed by the time wr500 is at it eg bandit adds that got nerfed

[alpine latch]

I'm a web developer... Learning syntax is easy

[balmy condor]

I see

[haughty flicker]

wow rouge guide bis rotation guide wowhead gear guide bis list tier guide

[hidden bay]

[coral ibex]

wow 2025 best rogue gear for big damage reddit

ok google

[fallow canopy]

forgot the unmovable no cap stat weights

[balmy condor]

stop they're gonna make me add a fourth bis list if you don't shut the fuck up

as if I'm not throwing up every tier having to update the stupid bis lists

[golden loom]

wow the war within dagger assassination rogue pre-bis human 11.1 mythic dungeons liberation of undermine

[balmy condor]

make me do one more why don't you

[gusty mirage]

I mean it’s just glorified bbcode

[coral ibex]

wow tww rogue dagger bis assassination gear

[royal lantern]

wow rogue guide bis bleed build demisemaxxing

[velvet cairn]

m+ bleed build bis list plzz i cant sim my character even if everyone says it :kappa:

[balmy condor]

yeah, until you have to do anything that isn't a box with text in it and then it's a buggy spaghetti nightmare

[golden loom]

wow tww rogue dagger bis assassination mutilate and ambush gear

[gusty mirage]

True

[coral ibex]

rogue bis guide wowhead tier list 2025 working legit

[gusty mirage]

The image sizing syntax makes zero fucking sense too

Because it never does what you set it to

[balmy condor]

what

that one's very easy

[gusty mirage]

There’s syntax that overrides height/width that you set

[balmy condor]

yeh

[gusty mirage]

Which is silly

[balmy condor]

you just say width=800 and move on

[gusty mirage]

I want full control over my image sizes

[hidden bay]

Item Drops > GIGA BIS > Note: Whispyr said its BiS in the 4th BiS list

[gusty mirage]

Well I don’t have access anymore so it’s irrelevant

[balmy condor]

that's what paint it for

[gusty mirage]

My wowhead days are joever

[golden loom]

wow tww season 2 dagger assassination rogue pre-bis stats and gear

[balmy condor]

have you opened d4 news lately

[gusty mirage]

No

[balmy condor]

jez has me making SEO images

graphic design is my passion

[gusty mirage]

Oh you took my old job

Grats

[coral ibex]

wow the war within 11.1 season rogue bis talent loadout stat priority how much haste do i need

[balmy condor]

It feels so icky, I'm doing youtube thumbnails basically

[gusty mirage]

Is my guide about image sourcing and copyright laws still there?

[balmy condor]

idk probaly but I doubt anyone uses it

[gusty mirage]

Terrific

[alpine latch]

As a web developer at a national digital agency... No one uses that shit

[haughty flicker]

[gusty mirage]

@wild lantern

[balmy condor]

I source all my images

[viscid spear]

Found an Amp in a Delve, simming higher than my poopy 645 Eye

[hot flicker]

Just curious with it being a bleed build doesn’t that reduce the value of weapon damage? (Ie better to have bit lower ilvl wep but stronger stats)?

[gusty mirage]

With all due respect to you and your company, that’s opening you guys up to litigation from copyright sharks that reside mostly in California and use copyright demands to pad their bottom line

[golden loom]

holy cooking in the kitchen

[gusty mirage]

Copyright violations have statutory attorneys fees tied to them

Meaning they can litigate them for funsies, no sunk cost

[alpine latch]

Oh, I'm well aware. My graphic designers use iStock

[hidden bay]

on short fights yea, sim something like 7/8 minutes for last 2 bosses

[haughty flicker]

why are the sharks concerned about copyright

does that apply in international waters

[alpine latch]

We have a few licenses for our images, but it took our legal team a few all-staff calls to get our on air people to stop trying to make their own graphics

iStock, Getty, and AP are the main 3 image sources we use, all of which we pay well for

[wild lantern]

yes but he's not doing what you were doing

[balmy condor]

idk what that means

[gusty mirage]

Oh that’s fine then, assuming someone in the entire company has an account they can be like wellllll we pay for it!

[balmy condor]

how does one get a lower ilvl weapon with stronger stats

I mean regardless the answer is no

[hot flicker]

Like if that stats are better on a hero 6/6 then say a myth wep with shit stats

[balmy condor]

but I'm curious about how that works

oh god no

[hot flicker]

You can farm or choose the stats on myth

[alpine latch]

Naw.. We're a radio company that owns a national digital agency. Our on-air staff just used whatever the fuck they wanted. Cost us probably $600k in multiple lawsuits over the years

[hot flicker]

Can’t

[gusty mirage]

Bro fuck those copyright hawks, they extorted a former client of mine for 3k because his son googled an image of fucking onion rings for their DoorDash account

[velvet cairn]

ig he means a haste&vers dagger on myth vs a crit&mas dagger on hero

[hot flicker]

As it’s vault unless you get riks dagger ofc

[balmy condor]

yeah but daggers are the lowest stat items in the game

you don't give a shit about secondaries on them

[gusty mirage]

Do you miss me yet

Get me a legal job at fanbyte that lets me work fully remote

[hot flicker]

Ok so ilvl is the keyfactor of the weps

[balmy condor]

offhand daggers are the least efficient upgrades across any class and spec

[hot flicker]

That was kinda my question

[balmy condor]

and mainhand dagger you just want ilvl regardless because it's ilvl

[wild lantern]

idk that fanbyte is even legit hiring anyone at all

[balmy condor]

is fanbyte real

[alpine latch]

I just need to have time to finish the damn project I'm working on for PoE

[viscid spear]

So faster fights I would use Amp? At least until I got a Heroic Eye

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but I’m cool

And I’m not a terrible lawyer

I’m not great, but I’ve seen way worse

[alpine latch]

There's something to be said about being good enough but not exceptional

[shy axle]

fb st opener is ambush - gar - mut/fok - rupt - mut - env - dm - shiv - kb/cb - env - vanish - env for double dipping coin ?

[alpine latch]

Sometimes the best ideas come form people who are good at their job but dumb enough to not think like a robot once they get to the "exceptional" level

[hot flicker]

But for example in this case you saying dagger give bad stats it’s mostly better to take myth slot in vault as other pieces and just use crafted MH 665 OH?

[balmy condor]

I mean that's a sim question idk what the relative value of anything in your vault is

but mainhand dagger item level is generally the most important upgrade

with offhand dagger item level being by far the least

that's also why we keep shoving crafted daggers with embellishments into our offhands every patch

[deep gyro]

I think u want to vanish before the first envenom? Im not sure :/

After the cb press i mean

[swift bluff]

Does Eye of Kezan gain value in the +11-14 bracket since the bosses are HP sponges? In DSlice, I’m Signet/Mechano

[hot flicker]

Gotcha thanks

[hidden bay]

the difference for me as example is +20k dps on 5min fights with eye and +60k dps on 8 minute fights

depending on your itemlvl of eye it can be better to use something else with higher ilvl for shorter fights, yeah

but then again, sim yourself

[spice spire]

Nope I refuse

Vibes only

[haughty flicker]

[viscid spear]

I've had weird luck with trinkets

[hidden bay]

yea i have been very unlucky aswell

had to flex once again

[gusty mirage]

I think I’m just lazy lmao

I cba working most of the time to the point where deadlines are breathing down my neck and I just straight up scramble to finish. I do some of my best work with my ass to the burner tho

[wispy apex]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[south prawn]

yooo yall cooked something insane with this bleed build

unreal

ty for build mr whispyr

[waxen oyster]

Technically its existed since s1

[balmy condor]

of dragonflight

[south prawn]

1 question tho

do we follow the same logic for fok in the command?

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

It's cool though, dont ask why the bm hunter barely beat the tank.

[south prawn]

which dung

[waxen oyster]

priory

[south prawn]

floodgate*

low key tho farming trinket

+11

they die too quick

[dawn seal]

okey so I have very big aoe pumpers in my key and I wanna run st raid build in the key

how good would it be

[spice spire]

It would not be

[waxen oyster]

That was a 10 but the tank pulled big.

[dawn seal]

its a 14

[south prawn]

execute dmg is insane

[waxen oyster]

kinda mid

[south prawn]

play sub xd

i mean bleed build got decent ST ngl

[balmy condor]

raid build in m+

[waxen oyster]

By very big aoe pumpers he probably means padders

like ret paladins

[balmy condor]

+10% single target -85% aoe

[spice spire]

It’s a bit more than ten

[waxen oyster]

would never catch me playing with a ret willingly

🤢

[spice spire]

But yeah

[south prawn]

u are better off playing sub if u want more ST

but try bleed build imo

[dawn seal]

I have a devastation evoker and ench shaman

[balmy condor]

that's great

[dawn seal]

I love bleed build

but I cant seem to do st damage

[balmy condor]

welcome to assa

[spice spire]

Just mut more

[vapid fable]

I'm jealous of your 11 groups. Maybe because I've pugged all week, but they "don't" die too quick for me, lol.

[spice spire]

Pray for bs procs

[waxen oyster]

Idk I got like 1.8m on first boss of rookery

[royal lantern]

thats assa in keys

it doesnt change with builds, its just how assa is in keys

[south prawn]

im farming trinket with friends

[waxen oyster]

Bleed ST is decent

[south prawn]

thats why

lol

[dawn seal]

huh

like eh whole rotation gets confusing on st when I do bleed

[spice spire]

Triple tea looking ass

[royal lantern]

ye its kinda allright

problem is that in WoW "its kinda allright" often translates into "its utter dogshit and somebody should spit on you for it"

[dawn seal]

like when do I envenom

[waxen oyster]

No i just tab out change my music

between globals

[balmy condor]

what

[dawn seal]

too much stuff to keep up

[waxen oyster]

fragnance style

[royal lantern]

when all bleeds are running

[balmy condor]

you envenom when you don't need to bleed

[versed gulch]

Hey man, that's an added bonus.

[balmy condor]

it's the same rotation

[royal lantern]

its literally just CT instead of envenom sometimes

[dawn seal]

I crumble after 20 secs after the pull

[balmy condor]

???????

from what

[waxen oyster]

the only difference between bleed and hybrid

is you press ct

on st

[dawn seal]

no energy bleeds fall of 1 by 1

[balmy condor]

so press rupture

[dawn seal]

its cuz of my mistakes

[royal lantern]

you guys gotta stop overthinking stuff man

[fallow canopy]

You are the president bro you got this

[waxen oyster]

I just take my hands off the keyboard

half the boss

[balmy condor]

maintain CT
no energy? press rupture
energy? press envenom

[waxen oyster]

if i need to refresh a dot or have surplus of energy time to press env

[vapid fable]

use the wa and plater. When you see a flashy press that button... repeat 😛

[balmy condor]

it's legit the same thing

[dawn seal]

oh

[spice spire]

Order dinner when I’m out of energy and tea

Come back

Pool for a bit more

Then get back into it

[waxen oyster]

Real

[fallow canopy]

Honestly the unedited also fits

[waxen oyster]

I mean I just barely press buttons

with bleed on st

before zoldyck range

[spice spire]

True

[royal lantern]

proc blindside more often

[coral ibex]

anyone have a good subway surfers adhd attention grabber weakaura

im gonna need it tonight

fatebound gaming

[haughty flicker]

just watch porn on a second monitor or something idk

[waxen oyster]

I just have a 10 hour loop of payphone

while doing sprocket

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-hola-como-andy-martino-dance-gif-18551524

[coral ibex]

YOU SAY ITS TOO LATE TO MAKE IT

BUT IS IT TOO LATE TO TRY

[waxen oyster]

real but for the most part pre exe you kind of can just

[spice spire]

Echoes pt 2

[waxen oyster]

let your bleeds do the damage

send muts into env if close to energy cap

[coral ibex]

that would be a wild loop for raid night

if you mean the 2nd half of echoes by pink floyd

[spice spire]

No I mean echo of nelth

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[coral ibex]

ohhhhh

[spice spire]

Was a payphone fight

[royal lantern]

skill issue idk

[heady elbow]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[waxen oyster]

Yeah idk you guys dont just proc blindside 10x in the first 30 seconds?

[royal lantern]

yeha like, just do it??

[coral ibex]

the levels of doom i experience when i auto proc tea multiple times during the same tea charge during cooldowns

[waxen oyster]

how

[coral ibex]

like bro where are the BLINDSIDES

[waxen oyster]

this guy actually presses feint on cd

[limber lion]

Just don't track tea

Less things to worry about

[hexed frost]

Bleedbros stay winning

[true nexus]

does supercharge mean i have to spend at a certain amount

[balmy condor]

no

[waxen oyster]

wait is hitting a 5 point env supercharged to 7 to trigger dn not int

ermm 8

[balmy condor]

no

[grim jay]

its just pointless to think about

[waxen oyster]

ye overall i think sub cares more

about what it supercharges

[alpine latch]

Is Sub bad in keys? Or is Sin just better

[waxen oyster]

Sin just better

[wise plume]

did ferals get a nutty buff recently? I had one in my +13 the other day that absolutely shredded everything, was kinda crazy

[hexed frost]

Feral always good in m+

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1361381367841165462/WoWScrnShot_041425_174257.jpg?ex=67fe8cb3&is=67fd3b33&hm=2213fc18ee8c62121812e394d4c6178192d05ed8bea06b08ce960b1bc2cd6354&

He was 668 though and I am 666

[dapper cradle]

this is also like the perfect comp for feral

[haughty flicker]

feral is pretty good atm

its just not boomkin

so no one plays it

[dapper cradle]

monk, shout, skyfury

[haughty flicker]

also yeah that is god comp for feral lmao

[errant jacinth]

Pardon me if this is a stupid question but I have never played the bleed build yet and was thinking about testing it out, would we be using CT on bosses in ST?

[spice spire]

Yes

[dapper cradle]

yeah if you're bleed build you CT in ST

[coral ibex]

CT is your largest damage source in a key as bleed

biiiiiig dam

[errant jacinth]

Gotcha, thank you. I am surprised that the wowhead says it is better boss damage than the hybrid build (I use TTK in my current build and felt like my boss dmg was pretty good)

[coral ibex]

yea

[spice spire]

Blindside good

[coral ibex]

blindside procs

[balmy condor]

ttk

[royal lantern]

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

the original cope talent

before FI came along

step aside ttk, there's a new boss damage cope in town

[ashen urchin]

I get such mixed messages on the bleed build ST. It still feels awful to me but I don't see how I could be messing it up when it seems basically nothing changes

[royal lantern]

bro, doing 2 finishers with 2 more cp

makes my boss dmg suddenly 30% higher

[balmy condor]

zoldyck+blindside execute is a helluva thing

[errant jacinth]

I appreciate all the work you do for theory crafting all of these builds Whispyr , really cool of you to do for the community and a huge help. Thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[dapper cradle]

I appreciate all the work you do for theory crafting all of these builds Whispyr , really cool of you to do for the community and a huge help. Thank you

[charred obsidian]

st in m+ still monke?

[dapper cradle]

banger new pasta

[balmy condor]

yes

[charred obsidian]

sad

[errant jacinth]

Not even a pasta I am being genuine lol I could not imagine having the brain to figure all this stuff out

[ashen urchin]

The execute definitely seems ok but blindside is by nature pretty hit or miss lol. It gets kinda overshadowed by the good overalls but it feels really bad when everyone has garbo ST on a pure ST fight

[tacit hedge]

Besides using shiv at the beginning of a pull and about 40 or 30% mob health, does the rotation of bleed change at all compared to hybrid build?

[haughty flicker]

Just turn details off in st

[strange python]

If everyone has garbo st ur doing something wrong with making a group

That’s not your problem

Just kill everything else

[balmy condor]

I mean if you think blindside is hit or miss, do I have news for you blindside might be the least rng part of your damage

[balmy condor]

CT single target

[ashen urchin]

Yeah I get it but the difference at least in how the gameplay feels with a few procs vs a chain of no procs is pretty huge

you get into this negative loop of struggling to even keep up bleeds

[balmy condor]

yeah but you get that regardless

[scarlet orbit]

Just out of curiosity. What even is the highest rng part for assa? Excluding player mistake i would assume its just the crit rng?

[balmy condor]

feels worse to me with hybrid cause not only is there no blindside, but maintaining envenom is actually doing something and I can't do that either

[dapper cradle]

highest rng of sin is an interesting question

[tacit hedge]

Ahh ty

[balmy condor]

double fucked

[haughty flicker]

A very interesting questing indeed

[dapper cradle]

probably crit rng for cps and which mobs your bleeds spread to through IC

[waxen oyster]

If you struggle to keep up bleeds you're mashing too much

[balmy condor]

generally crit rng and the base damage variance in the game

[dapper cradle]

i love IC spreading bleeds to non elite mobs with 10 mill HP

[lavish hazel]

do you rupture all the mobs ?

[dawn seal]

does assa has a big variance

[dapper cradle]

super based

[balmy condor]

and then weapon enchants, poison applications

and then blindside

[dawn seal]

I remember spell slinger having %20

last season

[balmy condor]

it's not spell slinger rng, no

but it is around 15%

fatebound can get close to 20%

[dawn seal]

oh damn

[ashen urchin]

I definitely wont argue that bleed feels 100% better than hybrid to me either. Just piling on to the same comment I'm sure everyone has said I guess

[lavish hazel]

Whispyr how many targets we have to rupture with bleed build ?

everything?

[dawn seal]

man whispyr is my fav content creator

[balmy condor]

sure

[scarlet orbit]

Better then playing outlaw and you just hope you even hitting the important targets

[dawn seal]

he is the champ

I love us o much man keep up the great work

[haughty flicker]

Bring back kingsbane crit rng

[dawn seal]

[dapper cradle]

just uncap kingsbane

[dawn seal]

so I remember u guys were sayin kb is not so big anymore

[dapper cradle]

i want 20 mill KB ticks

[waxen oyster]

Kb does less than a dry shiv

[haughty flicker]

Real

[tacit hedge]

!Fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[spice spire]

Please no

[dawn seal]

so do we have no better options and thats why we pick it

[waxen oyster]

Who picks kb

[dawn seal]

on raid

[waxen oyster]

Well poison build gets more kb value

[balmy condor]

just cause it's not as big as it used to be doesn't mean it's bad

[dawn seal]

ohh

oka oka

[balmy condor]

it's still like an 8% talent

[waxen oyster]

It is depressing how a full kb can be like

12m

and a dry shiv 15m

[bright tartan]

moist shiv

[balmy condor]

I can sense his presence

[tacit hedge]

For bleed do we still use the blind side proc even if there's 3+ targets?

[scarlet orbit]

Even in st it feels like kb is just a buff to the dm window and does not that much on it own

[balmy condor]

technically yes just because of how the rotation works

but the way that you're asking about it, no

[waxen oyster]

The 1min kbs can be hella underwhelming,

[hidden bay]

yea, just skip it

[waxen oyster]

I mean especially with dry shivs you effectively only have 1 shiv for them.

[iron vapor]

Still 4-8 mil damage for 2 button presses

[waxen oyster]

[iron vapor]

Can't really complain too much

[hexed frost]

Minimum 5, maximum 7-8. Focus is on maxxing scent stacks. But i don't want to delay opener too much

More bleeds = Harder Demise procs

[waxen oyster]

But whatever

We're playing envenom buff simulator

Max scent stacks get your ct bleed rolling

[lavish hazel]

do you extend ct at 20% hp for demise ?

[waxen oyster]

Then you can rupture the rest if you want

[iron vapor]

That and when you get a KB/DM/damage window on a boss and that one KB has done 20+mil damage... Worth it for 1talent point then

[tacit hedge]

I'm thinking of 30 seconds into a big Cinderbrew pull in a +15 key. I imagine it's better to ignore it and just FoK if you have like 5,6 targets

[waxen oyster]

Just be glad kb isn't on goremaw levels of poop.

[scarlet orbit]

that was at least kinda fun with no ttk where we actually dont want to just spam everything out or at least it felt like we didnt

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean again, you will be using it regardless of if you want to or not, but the way you're asking it is to consume it asap, which we don't do

we follow the normal generator rules

[waxen oyster]

I mean people pay too much attention to ttk

its just there

[tacit hedge]

Ah okay thank you

[iron vapor]

You're going to end up using that blindside proc refreshing CS anyway

[tacit hedge]

Makes sense

[hexed frost]

Yes, I do it earlier though. At around 35%.

Vanish->garrotes->ruptures->shiv->CT

But if it's a chainpull intensive dungeon (Brew and priory), then save vanish for later

[waxen oyster]

Do it sub 10 on high hp mobs to demisemaxx

[tacit hedge]

If you have 12 targets won't you apply rupture to all of them? I'd imagine delaying the opener is worth it since it's a bleed build

[hexed frost]

My mobs pop at 15%

[waxen oyster]

I need to up my demise game.

Max hit was 21m

[neat raptor]

Are you guys playing Iron wire in all +15 Or is it only specific dungeons and which?

[iron vapor]

Did a cinderbrew 2 to boost a guildies alt key a couple of days ago... SD was going off way earlier than 35%, was hilarious

[hexed frost]

If you open from stealth you'll automatically get out 9-10 garrotes and 7-8 ruptures from the bone spikes.

Focus is on getting the shiv and CT out

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

That's like me in timewalking.

When demise is 40% of my dam

[balmy condor]

it by definition does not go off earlier than 35%

[iron vapor]

Stealing everyone else's DPS by just evaporating packs

[waxen oyster]

My favorite was doing everbloom in s3

"Don't roll bursting"

[iron vapor]

What I meant was I wasn't having to refresh at 35%

[waxen oyster]

Demise evaporates flowers

oopsy woopsy

[balmy condor]

oh

[iron vapor]

Badly worded

[waxen oyster]

I killed the evoker like

every pack

[scarlet orbit]

so no big losses there gotcha

[waxen oyster]

One does not simply "stop damage" on SD

[waxen oyster]

Nope sometimes you just shiv to make sure he dies

[tacit hedge]

I know for mobs dry shiv is inefficient in keys, but is it worth dry shivig bosses with hybrid or bleed build in a key?

[granite leaf]

Dry shiving a pack at 30% give me huge dopamine when demise pops

[molten galleon]

Can someone confirm if this application of Fatebound Coins is Correct? Red is One side, Orange the other and I assumed the Best and worst Case. Hope this explanation is enough.This would mean the Lucky Coin isnt guranteed in the opener.

[shy axle]

so you do not use a gar during that vanish when playing fb?

[molten galleon]

you use Garrote after vanish but not as first global

[shy axle]

ok ty

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

took me a lil

but yes

that looks right

[subtle tundra]

is every shiv called a dry shiv

[balmy condor]

and you're correct that the lucky coin isn't guaranteed

you have to hit the 50/50 on the envenom before deathmark

[subtle tundra]

dry shiv specifically refers to holding it when you could use it with kb

and in bleed build you cant hold it for shiv

its very much a wet shiv

[strange tundra]

Anyone have an opener for packs
I just open stealth ambush garrote and rupture all mobs then get caustic spatter up, and shiv and then ct

[subtle tundra]

and im a wet bitch

[gritty laurel]

wettest shivs this side of the mississippi

[strange tundra]

!rotation

[gusty mirage]

Hot

[strange tundra]

!mut

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Power Infusion), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[mossy moon]

what about a macro that ambushes when ambush is available, then goes back to mutilate after?

[subtle tundra]

?!?!?!?

[mossy moon]

!?!?!?!?!

[balmy condor]

what about it

[strange tundra]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[mossy moon]

or do you always just ambush on "proc"

[balmy condor]

ambush replaces mutilate on proc

[gritty laurel]

that macro is built into my game by default, i have a secret client

[balmy condor]

you physically are unable to cast a mutilate

[molten galleon]

Thanks for Confirmation! 🙂

[mossy moon]

yes, but sometimes its available without the yellow proc around it

[subtle tundra]

yes in stealth

[errant jacinth]

probably from subterfuge

[strange tundra]

Where to find rotation for bleed build

[gritty laurel]

wowhead

[strange tundra]

Ok

[mossy moon]

ja probably subterfuge

just got back from break since SL

[subtle tundra]

which means you have stealthbars

[mossy moon]

yes, u are right

[subtle tundra]

always am

[gusty mirage]

False

[spice spire]

Let’s no go crazy

[subtle tundra]

my haters always be hating

my lovers know it true

[fallow canopy]

true

[thorn fjord]

[mossy moon]

stealth bars was inting me hard

[tacit hedge]

I guess with that being said in a bleed build when fighting a boss is it worth using shiv for lingering darkness and darkest night active?

[winter willow]

my bleeds are amazing in aoe but hit like a weak noodle on single target

is this common?

bleed build

[swift bluff]

Yes

Bleed build is better in M+ ST, but not great. Just better than Hybrid

[balmy condor]

not a gain you need to worry about

it's more of a raid/forced induction thing

[scarlet orbit]

What if i play fi in keys tho

[frosty nebula]

may i link my logs and you guys tell me what i did wrong?

[balmy condor]

then you're cringe

[wooden star]

my sims show different unless my haste is like 15%. Not like a HUGE difference, but hybrid was like 1.45 and bleed was likek 1.36 or something

[balmy condor]

were you using improved ambush

[wooden star]

hmmm good call, i Don't remember

[waxen oyster]

My bleed was like 1.5 with no buffs

idk

bleed st is ok

[dapper cradle]

missed the dry shiv confo fuck

[scarlet orbit]

God bless i never touched that far into weird stuff

[wooden star]

(im at work atm)

[hardy rapids]

we can start it again if you want

[spice spire]

Gives me hope for the rest of the day

[balmy condor]

typically when people have hybrid simming higher, they're either comparing bleed build to a hybrid build + 3 single target talents (recently had a guy say that bleed build is simming lower than him cause he simmed hybrid with FI and TTK ), or they just didn't copy the talents correctly

[dapper cradle]

no no it has to be organic

[dapper cradle]

[wooden star]

it def was correct on the spec side - but I was messing around so much its entirely possibble my clalss side didnt take imp ambush

and left it on the finisher one

so good call, i'll check that

[mystic meadow]

Is there a bleed build for raid also?

[spice surge]

Nop

[mystic meadow]

damn

[waxen oyster]

They barely play different

[short pine]

can someone tell me how to remove this part of the WA ...

[polar rampart]

delete the group with all those in it?

[balmy condor]

delete the weakauras, or set them to never load

[short pine]

thats

its all part of the one

[near valley]

sell the trinket

[haughty flicker]

true

sell the trinket and it wont be there

[golden loom]

click the plus sign

and then its like the utilities or something

[short pine]

ohhh

ok cool awesome thanks

[bright tartan]

I like how spatter is just 💦

[rich parrot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[short pine]

locked in so hard i have dreams of playing perfectly

[spice spire]

Press buttons good

And ur chuckling

[strange tundra]

@balmy condor do i ct in st or only with 2 targets or more?
In wowhead it says 2 targets but on the pins here it says 1

[spice spire]

If you’re in bleed build it’s one target

It’s 2+ unless you’re talented out of amp poison

[strange tundra]

Ye it's bleed build

[tacit hedge]

St also

[hearty seal]

spent most of Saturday running keys, got so fucked up that I dreamt about that too
though it did slightly improve my performance, apparently, I broke 10m on some packs today

[vast shuttle]

what is the kings bane addon?

[coral ibex]

never heard of it

[balmy condor]

kingsbane addon

it's just a list of all the kings you've baned

[strange tundra]

Hahahaah I remember that shit used to dream about games as a teen when I played them for like 16 hours or some shit 🤣

[spice spire]

You can add me to that list hehexd

[balmy condor]

buddy I already know I'm your bane, king

[hearty seal]

somehow, when I was younger, I never had that happen, despite regularly having 12+ hour gaming sessions
these days it's rarer (smh imagine having a job, had to be me), but apparently I get backdraft of this sort now
wrecks my sleep somewhat fierce tho

[vast shuttle]

idk rlly what its called but it shows the icon and when it maxed

[balmy condor]

what is the point of that

[haughty flicker]

it gave dopamine

but that was when kb did damage

it no longer gives dopamine

envenom tracker when

[hearty seal]

also has anyone else noticed DSM just going missing sometimes? like you ambush something and the DSM isn't there
or you 7-cp Envenom a target about to die with Darkest Night up, the Envenom hits but you don't get DN back

[balmy condor]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[strange tundra]

Damn I only had that happen as a kid as an adult I don't even remember getting that even though I've done big sessions
What do u mean it wrecks your sleep

[haughty flicker]

sudden demise procs and the flood of adrenaline jolts him awake

[hearty seal]

means I wake up feeling like trash, no rest gained

[strange tundra]

Lol that rik strat i just use m+ build and pad with vanish on adds and sprint 🏃‍♂️ 🤣

[strange tundra]

Then it wasn't a dream it was a nightmare

[hearty seal]

yeah I guess
(just like most of my Saturday runs ngl)

[strange tundra]

Welcome to the club

[hearty seal]

I usually run with a trusty crew but that day basically everyone (including me) fucked up hard at some point

[strange tundra]

Well shit happens even to the best, most of my friends stopped in legion and the only friend that plays stopped because arcane is ass 😒
So I just do the pug waiting game

[sharp moss]

so i was kinda reading the pins. theres a new set up for raid?

[swift wing]

DN?

[hearty seal]

Darkest Night

[swift wing]

Deez...?

[strange tundra]

N

[swift wing]

utz

im sorry for my actions earlier

[spice spire]

Banned

[viral apex]

is it worth using crimson tempest for ST

[agile wedge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[hexed frost]

Everytime someone asks this question a cat dies

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

[strange tundra]

With bleed build yes

[strange tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-reaction-reaction-elite-dangerous-borann-boys-gif-25049405

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/horus-fucking-tts-gif-18243403

Horus?

[lament berry]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[static glacier]

Yo, need some log review as to how im playing this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gyDYqvf1AZ3aLHmG?fight=21&type=damage-done&source=302

main thing is im wondering if im rupturing too much on adds or too little

[spice spire]

Seems fine

Seems like you’re doing a little too much but sniping is apparently good now for the energy refund. You’re capping a bit but that’s also prog for you

[static glacier]

thing is dmg on them is more value than boss which is reason why I rupture more than 1 a set tbh

if it was just about energy 1 keeps you good

ill try rupturing less

[vapid sierra]

yall playing bleed or hybrid in m+\

[strange tundra]

I switched to bleed

Seems better

[static glacier]

bleed since day 1

[spice spire]

It’s about the immediate as well. You just rupture and keep on smacking otherwise no point in rupturing anything other than the one you hit last. Think hitting all is fine

[hexed frost]

@tacit hedge

That's 11 garrotes

and 5 ruptures

All gucci

[vapid sierra]

any smart ways to cross gear sin/outlaw
or am i going to need to compromise?

[strange tundra]

Oh yeah now that I saw tempered potion I wanted to ask why on the opener the use potion only after bleeds have been applied

[vapid sierra]

ramps them better i believe

[subtle tundra]

anyone wanna buy a gallywix mythic lockout on eu

[gusty mirage]

Isn’t mastery dogshit for outlaw?

[subtle tundra]

10 million

[spice spire]

You can’t do that varas

[vapid sierra]

yeah unfortunately

[subtle tundra]

joke joke

[dapper cradle]

ask Foreverguy

[vapid sierra]

our best stats are haste verse too lol

pretty cooked

[subtle tundra]

against ToS?

[strange tundra]

Yea cod me

[subtle tundra]

i yoke?!?!

[gusty mirage]

Can probably get away with getting new jewelry and keeping the other crafted shit the same tbh

[dapper cradle]

i think GN is having their Easter sale rn

[spice spire]

Ye

[vapid sierra]

yeah thats waht im thinking, farming the big hitting items (trink, neck, rings) and then moving onto other things

[gusty mirage]

And get house of cards as your on use

[sharp moss]

is the bleed build for m+ still really strong or did something change with it?

[static glacier]

ty for advice sir

[gusty mirage]

Cause priory gonna be omega cringe w/o stacking mastery

[vapid sierra]

priory is the only trink i have now lol

[strange tundra]

Do u have a lot of crafted gear or nah, if so just recraft them to crit mast
Or just run some dungeons as outlaw for gear

[subtle tundra]

well... just gonna mention we have a lockout with gallywix alive which we wont kill...

[vapid sierra]

got a crafted dagger, outlaw mh, and bracers

[gusty mirage]

But yeah should be fineish with new rings and neck, can swap gems too and enchant the new rings with mastery and probably use mastery flask

[strange tundra]

Yeah there's no trick

It's straightforward how to switch

[gusty mirage]

Imma mention my foot up your ass if you ask again

[vapid sierra]

yeah, gonna farm a mastery ring and neck
was planning on crafting one for outlaw tho shit is cooked

wish the stats were similar but it is what it is

ty

[subtle tundra]

if you want me to not do something, you have to threaten me

[strange tundra]

I tried switching to outlaw early s2 becaus3 it seemed most ppl played that but now sin is on top again in m+ so I gave up

[gusty mirage]

Would be nice, there used to be a solid overlap for all 3 specs where it wasn’t too bad

But that’s kinda fucked now sadly

[haughty flicker]

would be easier if outlaw wasnt stinky sword spec

[gusty mirage]

Would be easier if mastery wasn’t dogshit for outlaw lmao

[polar rampart]

i feel like i work harder on outlaw to not blast as hard

[haughty flicker]

main gauche goes hard

[strange tundra]

Outlaw should be a 2 pistol class

[dapper cradle]

outlaw 1h MH and ranged OH

[vapid sierra]

there was a moment wherte mastery was as good as vers for outlaw in multi target situations

but that was early df

shit has been ass since

[dapper cradle]

i mean, mastery is still really good in big pulls

[gusty mirage]

Yeah then they ruined it again

[dapper cradle]

outlaw can use HOC

[strange tundra]

Nah bro imagine outlaw going brrr with 2 glocks with a switch

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw can use anything

[vapid sierra]

outlaw has no stat trinkets

we like direct damage

[dapper cradle]

HoC is still really good in big pull dungeons like cinder and priory

[vapid sierra]

my gear grinder, honey buzzer, magnet, and thug hotline all sim the same dmg at the same ilvl

our trinkets are literally ilvl based

[gusty mirage]

Ye cause it benefits from the pew pew finisher (I can’t remember it for whatever reason atm)

[dapper cradle]

thug hotline is bis for the flavor

[vapid sierra]

crackshot

[dapper cradle]

[vapid sierra]

bte

[gusty mirage]

Yeah Between the eyes that one

[haughty flicker]

[gusty mirage]

Shows you the last time I played outlaw

It’s been years

[strange tundra]

Was outlaw any good next expansions compared to sin/sub after it got released
I havent played since legion

[dapper cradle]

it was giga in keys in df s1 and s3

[gusty mirage]

It was solid in s1 of shadowlands until 9.0.5, because sub was cringe in cleave and assassination was useless. And it was solid s4 of SL

And then it was good in vault of the incarnates in s1 of DF

But besides that outside of keys it’s been kinda meh at best

[wanton spear]

so are we still playing vv or back to the other spec? trying to understand the pin

[haughty flicker]

sim both, realize they're so close it doesnt matter, and just play one

[wanton spear]

the old spec is simming higher for me

[balmy condor]

then use that one if you want

[haughty flicker]

[wanton spear]

i was just asking if its a sim issue,

because last week was other way around and my gear hasn't changed

[coral ibex]

no we just have very balanced talents

[balmy condor]

the... pin says that there was a fix to the sim

[dapper cradle]

hey guys [insert question with answer in pins], can I get some help?

[strange tundra]

Crash out

[coral ibex]

wow 2025 11.1 the war within bis gear tier list rogue guide?

[wise plume]

we love bleed

[lost wharf]

Guild has given Dobbie a Stix kill, Dobbie is freeeeeeeee