assassination

[bronze pike]

Actually hurtful

[golden loom]

not sure what I wanna play for MoP Classic between rogue and warrior

[midnight mist]

Big

You push before bombs?

[subtle tundra]

yeah

[midnight mist]

That's cool

[bronze pike]

Rogue snd paladin for me

[midnight mist]

Hope we do that for reclear

I ain't stopping dps

That's for sure

[subtle tundra]

it took a bit to change some soak positions

very improv

[bronze pike]

Stat reforging

Fuxk

Take me back

[subtle tundra]

but its gonna make next reclears much better

[bronze pike]

Why do they always take out the good shit from the past

[grand trail]

peak

[royal lantern]

eh, they will, but probably in a different way

i can imagine that "Delves" just turn into "solo Dungeons" instead

[royal lantern]

peak in the trash

[grand trail]

thanks buddy

thats all i needed to hear

[bronze pike]

Oh

Crispy whispy

Are we farming arcano crystal for huge stats again??

[normal kayak]

Hey guys, what plates/wa's does everyone use for dot tracking? I've just got standard elvui on atm and on big AoE packs, I can't ever see majority of the bars or whats dotted or not very clearly

[balmy condor]

arcano crystal got nuked in like early bfa or something, it has no primary stat and all the secondaries adds up to just the raw agi/secondary a trinket would have baseline without any proc

[midnight mist]

tbf we are getting so much dmg per week

[balmy condor]

so it's just bad

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[midnight mist]

shouldnt be that hard next weeks

[balmy condor]

can pick from there

[golden loom]

next 3% is in 2 weeks right?

it was like every 3 weeks instead of 2 this time or am I wrong

[midnight mist]

really

no wae

[bronze pike]

:(

Aw so Reddit lied to me

[normal kayak]

Cheers boss man ❤️

[balmy condor]

reddit lost its shit because it saw a 678 arcanocrystal and didn't bother to think about it past that

[golden loom]

next loyal customer is at renown 10, we are 7 atm

[balmy condor]

arcanocrystal exploits happen every expansion and they're literally just not even worth it

but HOLY SHIT OLD TRINKET EXPLOITED WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

and everyone goes crazy

[midnight mist]

i hate exploits !

[bronze pike]

It funny :)

Tho this might be my classi side talking tho

I like it when items from last season are still viable option in the next

Granted as long as it’s not ultra rare stuff

[royal lantern]

naaaaahh

you like it because you have it

if you dont have it? lmao, get fucked

[bronze pike]

Yes

[midnight mist]

Ye when your bis is from an old raid and you can't farm it anymore

Gg

Even when you have it it's annoying your Ilvl is lower

[bronze pike]

Having normal syl dagger and it being viable all season 3

Was neat

[midnight mist]

I like illvl number to go up !

[royal lantern]

now imagine literally never dropping it

🙂

[midnight mist]

Bigger illvl bigger damage

[bronze pike]

But ya it’s a silly take from personal subjective bias

[subtle tundra]

i dont even have the one from 7

[bronze pike]

Not healthy for the game

[subtle tundra]

lol

[golden loom]

I do love that aspect of classic that all raids are on farm and useful

[midnight mist]

I had 3 you noob, actual skill issue

[bronze pike]

Loot it 5head

[royal lantern]

outlaw was my main spec in SL, wasted all my loot RNG on RtB rolls instead

bad move

[midnight mist]

Gg

[pine fiber]

Bleed build uses CT on 1 target correct?

[balmy condor]

yes

[wide gorge]

is eye of kehzan better than pacemaker? it sim higher for me but while reading the guide i understood that EoK is not a great trincket for assa right?

[balmy condor]

eye of kezan is great specifically for the last 3 bosses on mythic

and that's about it

it's still like a fine trinket, it's not terrible

it's just niche

[wide gorge]

tyvm for your help whispyr

[spice surge]

Its very good if you can have it near max stack, its very bad if you cant

[lucid nexus]

i have a (stupid?) question on sanguine blades. The effect occurs when you refresh the bleed and u are at 50%+ energy or every time a bleed ticks and u are at 50%+ energy ?

[spice surge]

Ticks

[lucid nexus]

ty

[worthy bear]

How important is cyrces ring? Haven't farmed it yet but want to play sin

[balmy condor]

it's best in slot

so idk

good ring

[proud pelican]

Is holding a tea charge for kingsbane a significant gain?

[agile wedge]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[proud pelican]

Hmm that’s useful but doesn’t directly answer my question

It mentions KB with tea so maybe I hold

[glacial relic]

Tea naturally lines up with Kb most of the time

[agile wedge]

oh it was more for myself sorry

as i dont know the exact answer to your question 😛

[agile wedge]

for me i actively need to care about energy spend to not use all tea with autocharge

[warm vortex]

Keys are going well

[royal lantern]

kb has 1min cd

tea has 1min cd

they always line up

[warm vortex]

We told him prekey aswell

[glacial relic]

If I remember correctly the auto tea vs manual tea is around 0.4% difference

[grim jay]

No you dont

[agile wedge]

yeahi know

[grim jay]

Less

[agile wedge]

just wanted to say if i just play, i dont have a spare charge, cause autouse consumed it all for spamming

[grim jay]

Which is fine

Because it lines up with kb

[royal lantern]

mate

they have the same cd

you literall, always have it for kingsbane

you cant use kb and dont have tea

[glacial relic]

Yeah not relevant to worry about it 😄

[proud pelican]

Oh word that’s pretty ez. Then just let the other teas happen natty in between cds?

[royal lantern]

yeha, kinda

[golden loom]

macro tea to shiv, and u never have to think about tea again

[royal lantern]

you macro tea with shiv and forget it exists

can remove it from your skillbar, doesnt matter

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

within margin of error actually, that's why it's removed from sims and just cast with shiv

[proud pelican]

Oh ok this macro is what I was missing. I tried binding it to shiv and chugged all 3 charges instantly like a neanderthal

[balmy condor]

if it were >0.2% it would still be manually cast in sims and the macro would be gone

[proud pelican]

Is the dry shiv still a thing? I was seeing a lot of the top logs are not using dry shiv

[balmy condor]

it is, yes

[proud pelican]

🫡

[balmy condor]

all of these shivs at 0:40

are dry shivs

[proud pelican]

Do you have the numbers on how much of a gain it is whispyr?

[balmy condor]

0.5%ish

[proud pelican]

Word

[fast folio]

Isnt this supposed to be the last 8 seconds of Kingsbane? Or is it correctly Deathmark?

[balmy condor]

the last 8 seconds of deathmark are the last 8 seconds of kingsbane

deathmark is 16 seconds, kingsbane is 14

[fast folio]

Ah ok

[proud pelican]

My shivs on bosses this week about to be so fking dry

[frosty nebula]

is blood mallet website ok for checking trinkets?

[balmy condor]

yesn't

[rocky zodiac]

for general overview okay ish. just sim yourself to be sure

[balmy condor]

it's good for showing the value of trinkets roughly for 1 slot

[frosty nebula]

i mostly look for 5 targets , ma+

[balmy condor]

oh

then definitely not

putting aside the issues of using a 5 min 5 target sim to compare m+ trinkets

bloodmallet currently doesn't have alternate builds

so it's just the single target talents

[frosty nebula]

oh ok ty

[pine fiber]

For the bleed build, do we cast shiv on ST (boss) outside of Deathmark?

[red schooner]

Probably, what else are we gonna do, hold it for a minute? Treat yourself, hit the button

[dawn seal]

how important is my gear

Loke item level wise

[lime flame]

there are any change on raid talent? or i'll go ahead with wowhead talent

[pine fiber]

Apologies, completely miss wrote that. Meant to ask, For the bleed build, do we cast CT inside of Deathmark on ST. Ideally it's refreshed before DM, but as I'm learning the build, some old habits (not using CT on ST) dies hard.

[red schooner]

Yeah, just get it back up if you've noticed it ain't on

[spice surge]

Yes

Keep bleeds up

[pine fiber]

Ty

[warm vortex]

I wished for a good healer, as all i was getting was alright dps, good tanks and shit healers

monkey paw folded

(Ik i didn't even do that good on this run but like)

It felt like i was the only dps tbf

[grim jay]

Brother noone in here knows what good dmg for a bm would be

[warm vortex]

I know but at least i was doing actual damage tbf

[grim jay]

Nor does anyone know what good log dps would be

99% of the people wouldnt even know that for sin

[normal mist]

I guess we just need to look at the numbers

[grim jay]

Because fuck m+ logs

[normal mist]

Since he did + 700k dps than the second guy

All had the same ilvl

[warm vortex]

Tbh i just use Key parse as a loose indicator of if im doing shit or not
Ik it has so many factors that it isn't too accurate

So i'm not using it as the end all be all

[grim jay]

But then again the parses are similar and m+ logs arent that representative

[warm vortex]

All i'm saying is they could have done more for sure

[normal mist]

I'm purely talking numbers

[warm vortex]

Also first time i did % after darkness

Felt funny

[grim jay]

I personally wouldnt even use them for that, barely ever logged m+

[warm vortex]

We jusmped down and got one of those big wax monsters with some mini rats

[grim jay]

Parses are numbers aswell

Take that bozo

[normal mist]

Fair enough

[warm vortex]

Alsom didn't know just how fast gearing was this tier

got a fury from like

500 ilevel to 635 in like what

an hour n thirty?

Or smth like that

[subtle tundra]

what does that have to do with this tier

[warm vortex]

Tbf i had a war already at 620

[subtle tundra]

thats last season ilvl

[warm vortex]

Yea i know

[subtle tundra]

your argument makes no sense

[warm vortex]

I'm talking about catchup

[subtle tundra]

even if true, cause it is piss easy to gear

[warm vortex]

Yea

[grim jay]

The crest reduction is pretty good

[warm vortex]

that's my point

I'm saying gearing this tier is faster than i thought

Cuase i knew it was fast

But i didn't know this fast

[coral oracle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spring stream]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[static glacier]

Is it that fast? Still feels slower than df s2

[hot flicker]

Longest thing is the 4 set cause I wouldn’t bother to cata champ pieces

[warm vortex]

Yea idk on that thought

But you can literally like

go and pick up the crest quests from the renown vendors and transmute those crests to make a ton of 629 gear to get started
Then do like the weeklies n shit and also check for warbound gear

[grim jay]

Can also just buy a normal boost with loot share for like no Gold at all

And then do delves and m+

[warm vortex]

true

[royal lantern]

DF S2 gearing had huge negative impact on the game because of how fast it was

[grim jay]

Idk I think gearing for alts should be really fast up to a certain point

[jade latch]

I feel like gearing is pretty on point atm - geared my rogue from 639 and priest from df ilvl to 660+ in about 2 weeks each without spending many gilded crests either

[granite sentinel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[terse stirrup]

would it be possible to create a bleed build for raid that also doesn't use kingsbane?

[grim jay]

Possible? Sure

Would it suck? Probably

[balmy condor]

yeah it's entirely possible, and entirely dogshit

there's a reason why we have raid builds and m+ builds

m+ builds are horrid in raids, and raid builds are horrid in m+

[lavish wing]

we should make one thats both horrid, in raid and m+

[subtle tundra]

crab build

[grim jay]

The hardmode build

[lavish wing]

whats the assa equivalent of Goremaws

[royal lantern]

they said "horrid"

[grim jay]

Dont think we have any

[lavish wing]

dang

[royal lantern]

the weird "step has less cd on targets with garrote" talent?

[subtle tundra]

i mean, we kinda take every single bleed talent thats good in ST(zoldyck), so it kinda is bleed build

[grim jay]

I even forgot that one exists

[subtle tundra]

every bleed talent is an aoe talent

[grim jay]

That hurts

[royal lantern]

whisp did aswell in his build there

[balmy condor]

the build is troll

but not that troll

I have my limits

[royal lantern]

yeha, you skipped shadowheart aswell

[golden loom]

Intent to Kill is not troll

More shadowstep = more uptime = infinite dps gain

[royal lantern]

tru

[lavish wing]

solves all assa uptime issues

[subtle tundra]

guys how much dps loss is intent to kill??

[grim jay]

About 30

[golden loom]

Especially with IC, if you have all the rik barrles garotted u can just shadowstep between them all and do insane damage

its like killing spree but better

[royal lantern]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[lavish wing]

like ks without dmg to dot conversion 😄

[grim jay]

Noo, its rik, the voices..

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

I think thats the biggest loss ive seen you sim thus far

[subtle tundra]

thats more loss than my cooks have been in the past

so yeah pretty impressive

[royal lantern]

thats the thing people see when blizz nerfs them by 2%

[balmy condor]

you should see some of the sims I do when I'm fixing the damn thing, you haven't seen shit until you get back a copy with -NaN%

that's the shit that'll make you sweat

[sonic schooner]

Reallybad not that reallybad

[golden loom]

This is just way better

[grim jay]

Can imagine your face if the NaN hits you.

[halcyon latch]

is there any weakaura that hides blizzard shit ui combopoints on playerframe guys?

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

[sonic schooner]

NaN in raidbot

Yo raidbot balatro gaming

[balmy condor]

yeh except balatro NaN is really big number

[fathom cosmos]

came to let yall know your spec is too hard ill go back to my baby spec (sub)

[balmy condor]

and raidbots NaN is a really big negative number cause it gets insanely confused

[balmy condor]

there ain't no way

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/delusion-delusional-youre-delusional-get-him-outta-here-leave-gif-23600662

[sonic schooner]

How confused can it be

[balmy condor]

very

[fathom cosmos]

it doesnt make sense 😭

[balmy condor]

dawg wdym it doesn't make sense

[fathom cosmos]

my dunno

[regal linden]

Fatebound build only work for pure single target like sprocketmonger?

[balmy condor]

yes

[sonic schooner]

Raidbot being like "whatcha doing bud what s this trash u implemented me hell nahw i aint giving u any answers"

[grim jay]

Fatebound works best if you let it rest in its coffin

[brave comet]

i just lost my 99% parse because fucking vexie JUMPED OUT OF HIS VEHICLE AND OUT OF THE BORDER

the fight reset

[regal linden]

does deathstalker provide any benefit for cleave fights?

[pure moth]

If you understand sub.. you can understand sin

[regal linden]

what's the difference?

[balmy condor]

in like 5 different ways yes

fatebound nerfs itself

and deathstalker just has raw aoe talents

[brave comet]

wait what, it nerfs itself how

[subtle kiln]

By existing

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-pokemon-fight-torterra-golbat-gif-17579448

[grim jay]

You are a coin clown if you play it, cant show your face on the street

[spice spire]

Oh ok

[spice surge]

Like your fate intertwined isnt hitting your main target

[spice surge]

Which means it doesnt spatter

[grim jay]

You can always show your face in my bed tho

[subtle tundra]

it literally means Not A Number

are you stupid?

[balmy condor]

yes

[golden loom]

holy patchwerk damage

[subtle tundra]

thanks i was confused

[neat shell]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wtf-eyes-look-phone-gif-3927559383930151204

[balmy condor]

that's just how varas flirts

he's a little brat

[normal mist]

The regulars watching varas talk to... Everyone:

[subtle tundra]

slap my cheeks

[sonic schooner]

[regal linden]

ty

[subtle tundra]

make me feel dirty

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-little-girl-drinking-too-cool-chilling-yeah-whatever-gif-27534207

[neat shell]

i see i see

[normal mist]

Newcomers first encountering varas:

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[grim jay]

Varas is our precious romanian nugget

[normal mist]

Basically

[static glacier]

You know what’s even better than intent to kill and killing spree?

[normal mist]

A gf?

[golden loom]

oh my god I made the sim go insane

[balmy condor]

yeh

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mad-silly-nugget-gif-5376410024591291092

[balmy condor]

if you try hard enough the sim will eventually just jump off a cliff

[royal lantern]

what the fuck

[grim jay]

Not yours, because she stole you

[normal mist]

Fair

[golden loom]

these are the only 3 envenomns it cast the entire fight

[balmy condor]

there's gaps in logic if you do some insane talent build that dodges all cases

[sonic schooner]

Try to sim without à dagger

[royal lantern]

bro made the sim commit suicide

[sonic schooner]

[balmy condor]

making it not cast envenom is impressive though

[golden loom]

even then... it did more damage than KB

[balmy condor]

those 3 envenoms are most likely the fallback in the stealthed list for kingsbane

but I'm not entirely sure how you managed to get it to avoid the main envenom line

[grim jay]

I think you should fix everything thats wrong in his sim

So we can truely see how bad it is

[sonic schooner]

Imagine it becomes actually better

And we have à New 🆕 build

[golden loom]

Davyn are u telling me 88 mutilates in a 5min fight isnt optimal?

[warm vortex]

Welp some zoophile joined hunter discord and spammed images for like 5 min 🤢

[sonic schooner]

Hunter discord

[balmy condor]

hey he was here yesterday

[sonic schooner]

[balmy condor]

or 2 days ago?

[grim jay]

Dont think there are any braincells left to destroy over there

[warm vortex]

I mean survival is there

so they have some left

some

[balmy condor]

wait actually how did you manage to dodge the envenom line

wtf

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oCEZCVL9aJzPZBXQEaTa7u

idk

evasion 😎

[sonic schooner]

Whispyr being as confused as raidbot makes my day

[balmy condor]

wait

[warm vortex]

Tbh feel like these class discord severs should have verification processes or msth

[balmy condor]

you hit the base envenom line

[grim jay]

Its a fucking mess

[balmy condor]

HUH

[golden loom]

what does that mean

[lavish wing]

u broke Whispyr

congrats

[balmy condor]

that envenom line is the one that fires off

24/7

[lavish wing]

now whos gonna do our tc

[balmy condor]

it's the main envenom spam when you hit x cp

[warm vortex]

Who is gonna make the BIS lists now

[balmy condor]

there shouldn't be a way to break it

[warm vortex]

D:

[golden loom]

[sonic schooner]

Varas gonna be our New tc

Now

[grim jay]

Please no

[subtle tundra]

sure man

[grim jay]

We wont have kb in any builds

[subtle tundra]

what do you wanna know

[balmy condor]

oh

okay I get it

[frank trench]

I would love to not have kb in any builds lol

[sonic schooner]

Gimme the best poison build for m+ varas

[subtle tundra]

swap to sub

ah shit it isnt a richard question

[sonic schooner]

[lavish wing]

do u swap on rik 😄

[subtle tundra]

yeah, specs

to sub

[balmy condor]

nvm, I don't get it

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/under-the-work-table-robin-crying-work-month-wine-gif-14204260

whispyr tonight

[frank trench]

I wish there was an awesome single target bleed build :0

[golden loom]

Having to figure out what the worst in slot build is doing in the sim is devious work

[balmy condor]

OH

[subtle tundra]

we already take all the single target bleed talents buddy

[balmy condor]

I GET IT

[grim jay]

Maybe once they get us exsanguinate back as a choice node for kb

[lavish wing]

3

2

1

[alpine latch]

I just came back over the weekend and hae been grinding out gear.. only to realize I was wearing Cloth pants because I got a 642 pair as a quest reward somehow

I wore those things for like 2 days

[sonic schooner]

No exsang I beg

[subtle tundra]

warbound

[frank trench]

Hahahaha been there

[alpine latch]

probably, yeah. I was just excited to get some high item level pants. Kept running droptimizers and seeing legs give me an 11% damage increase but it was only going to give me 3p

[frank trench]

I couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t transmog for like 15 mins then was mad cause I was wearing cloth boots for like 3 days

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-buddy-guy-friend-canadian-gif-6183589

[balmy condor]

@golden loom you actually managed to run into something that I have a drafted fix for, but it's for entirely different reasons

[subtle tundra]

rare oxi message

[sonic schooner]

I m curious now

[royal lantern]

@golden loom congratz. you did TC work by finding a sim error

[balmy condor]

well no

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

but yeah

kinda

[brave comet]

just ranked 22nd on assassination rogue in cauldron

[royal lantern]

trouble shooting

[lavish wing]

so r we using this build or no

[sonic schooner]

He NaNed whispyr

[spice spire]

Classic uwucutegirl

[golden loom]

all it took was intent to kill...

bis talent on GOD

[lavish wing]

well u killed it

[balmy condor]

(variable.not_pooling|debuff.amplifying_poison.stack>=20|!variable.single_target)

basically has to dodge all of these conditions. The last two are easy, you sim single target and don't take amplifying, so that's done. The first one is a bit of a mess cause the sim still technically pools, it's not a dps gain, but its kept in just in case it comes back at some point and it helps with like energy planning stuff and whatever for some more complex sims and the pooling before kb etc and staying above 50% with bleed build, doesn't matter. Point is that with these talents it's trying to hover around 80% energy before casting envenom

combo_points<=variable.effective_spend_cp&!variable.cd_soon|variable.not_pooling|!variable.single_target

this is the condition it has to trigger to use mutilate, which is similar, except that first part is combo_points less than OR EQUAL TO effective spend cp

which means the sim is allowed to mutilate on max cp technically

[subtle tundra]

ok

[balmy condor]

under normal conditions, that never really triggers and only has some niche edge-cases where it matters, which is the thing that is getting fixed

but in this case it's able to mutilate at max fast enough to permanently stay under 80%

and essentially just block envenom from ever casting

[royal lantern]

we did it

1button spec

[ionic pumice]

how zagging zizzler works on gallywyx

[grim jay]

What are those edge cases tho? Like caustic dropping at x targets if you are about to envenom?

[golden loom]

playing 4 min 30 seconds with no slice and dice and instead mutilating over and over

[ionic pumice]

anyone knows?

[royal lantern]

it was called Mut Rogue in wotlk afterall

[royal lantern]

is that a trinket?

[golden loom]

but there you pooled to mutilate twice AFTER the envenom

[ionic pumice]

nah its a boss debuff

[balmy condor]

in the case of having no energy and also having a blindside proc it could do this and overcap

[grim jay]

Ah alright, I see

[fathom cosmos]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

I had to look this up lmao what the fuck

isn't it just a debuff

[spice surge]

just a debuff you get after the tsnk thing explodes

[balmy condor]

yeah

[grim jay]

Sounds like some edgy cocktail

[static glacier]

Ok I’m gonna need a tldr why the sim just generated at minimum 7 cps then pressed ambush

[grim jay]

The zagging zizzler

[balmy condor]

scroll up

I literally just explained it

[static glacier]

Reading

Ok wait

Why tf would it ambush on max if it has no energy to env instead of waiting

To env then ambush

[ionic pumice]

dont how just it put it on you sometimes you got 2stacks and you probably die cant find anything that how you get the debuff and how it stacks

[static glacier]

And you better not tell me it doesn’t matter

[balmy condor]

I.... literally just explained it

[static glacier]

Yes I understand the logic coded into all

Apl

[balmy condor]

the entire conversation we just had

was about how its able to do this

[static glacier]

I’m questioning the logic itself

[spice spire]

Because that’s the logic it had.

[static glacier]

There is the crux of the issue

[spice spire]

I mean it’s why it needs to be fixed

[static glacier]

Why did it have that logic

Like what

[brave comet]

so is getting a high value on caustic spatter in the first boss just pure luck?

[balmy condor]

because I accidentally added an = instead of not doing that

???????

[static glacier]

Oh

Silly billy

[brave comet]

i have 300 million less damage on caustic than the #10 parse for example

[balmy condor]

sims have mistakes

[static glacier]

[balmy condor]

these things happen

[static glacier]

Ur not beating the allegations any more xd

[spice surge]

It literally doesnt affect the overall of the sim

It happens like once every 30 minutes

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's why it's an edge case

[lavish hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lavish hazel]

where can i get LE's wa for CT pls?

in the grp?

[spice spire]

That’s fatebound silly

[balmy condor]

its in the pin

[spice surge]

In her group, in the pins or from whispyrs bleed video

[static glacier]

The impact of intuitive rotational changes leading to no gain is driving me into an absurdist view of our spec

[balmy condor]

or from my weakaura

or probably also from the collection

basically everywhere

[gusty mirage]

if you want just the CT one click the rogue collection

she separated the dif pieces so you could yoink the one you want instead of downloading installing the entire pack

[golden loom]

no.. my fatebound build didnt even play deathmark so it cant use edge case

[spice spire]

I see

[balmy condor]

it's not that it has no gain, it's that it happens so rarely that there is no way to tell

overcapping 3 combo points every 30 minutes

is not enough of an impact

for the sim to be able to tell

like that already just happens naturally whenever it mutilates on 6cp

it just happens to ambush and overcap once every 6-7 pulls

[spice surge]

Its not an assa specific thing either

[balmy condor]

yeah

things like this happen on every spec in the game

[static glacier]

I think we suffer more of these it doesn’t produce a significantly large result in either direction to matter

Maybe it’s bc we actually have more decisions due to downtime

[balmy condor]

I fixed an issue in dragonflight where the sim wouldn't cast vanish, which sounds really terrrible

except that it would only happen once every 1500 pulls

[static glacier]

Bro out here with the rare sim disease syndrome management

[royal lantern]

aka the average stix prog

[gray horizon]

Sir Whispyr, Pookie, is that pin saying our sims were getting the deathstalker mark envenom but not actually consuming it and proccing it multiple times?

[balmy condor]

I wasn't even sure that I had fixed it at first cause literally nothing changed

[balmy condor]

no?

[midnight mist]

pookie

[balmy condor]

the mut buff wasn't getting consumed

[gray horizon]

oh oh gotcha

sorry too early, can't read

[gusty mirage]

I also can't read

[gray horizon]

my man

[midnight mist]

i can read

just not assa yap

[gray horizon]

yappination

[gusty mirage]

no you can't

if any of us could read we wouldn't be here

checkmate baguette boy

[midnight mist]

im not here

who says i am

[spice spire]

Mf you were yapping in here at 3 am get woke

[gusty mirage]

you're right

[midnight mist]

wdym 3 am

[gusty mirage]

what if ravenholdt is a figment of my imagination

[midnight mist]

also im already woke

get rekt

[normal mist]

Random fact, yesterday I did a +2 (literally my first key of the season) with the bleed build and man it feels good. Ended up with 2.5(?)M overall, pretty good

[gray horizon]

big uwu

[gusty mirage]

that is a random fact

thank you royal

[dim pendant]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[midnight mist]

isnt this a lie

[gusty mirage]

it is now

it never used to be

[midnight mist]

i think i have seen whisp trashtalk wowa again recently

[gusty mirage]

we should prolly update that command

[balmy condor]

yeah just turn it off entirely for the channel or something

but I mean it's kinda fine

it still shows raw basics on uptime

it just doesn't have any logic for how to get better either

[midnight mist]

i got a blue log on mugzee

[balmy condor]

so it's sorta useless

[midnight mist]

will improve with wowa

[balmy condor]

is what it is though

[midnight mist]

brb

[lavish hazel]

thx mate

[balmy condor]

archon making dogshit products

[midnight mist]

np

[midnight mist]

i mean isnt it just

archon buying everything

i think wowa is still just a random side project

completly open aswell

just that archon bought it like they did with every single wow thing

only thing thwey wont be able to buy is wowhead

[midnight mist]

what are you doing here actually i tought you were a havoc one trick

[gusty mirage]

[lavish hazel]

one prog as havoc

never again

[midnight mist]

really

why

wish i was havoc instead of assa on mugzee

i was falling asleep mid prog every night

hardcore gaming no cap

[grim jay]

Ye its really hard to stay awake if you dont have the top granny secretary apm of outlaw

[midnight mist]

Eh

[vestal wren]

alright, works

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

what

[midnight mist]

Assa on st is 2 buttons rn with negative apm so idk really

[balmy condor]

the whole idea is that it doesn't do that fuu

we don't have enough people to do log reviews

you could've just left it as it was

[vestal wren]

we had the custom wowanalyzer stuff in, i just removed it

[midnight mist]

No

George

He is log review guy

Let him log review

[balmy condor]

what was wrong with the wowa stuff

[midnight mist]

George wanna log review me cuh

[vestal wren]

oxi asked me to remove it

[grim jay]

Wow is a slow game, no matter what you play at the end of the day. Also for me, the spam guy I am, reallife apm are the same across every spec for me

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

[midnight mist]

Ok but current st assa is like empty of anything

Has it even been like that

[vapid sierra]

Current st assa feels better than sub even tho both are energy starved as shit

[midnight mist]

If at least you were consuming your blindside procs

Can't believe they removed the only gameplay the spec had

[grim jay]

Iirc it was slower at times

Whispyr knows for sure tho

[midnight mist]

Well it can be slower but with a bit more stuffs to do

[grim jay]

The low apm lover that he is

[midnight mist]

But who am I to judge

I'm sure you all enjoy it rn

[royal lantern]

im consuming your ass

and wdym, we play blindside lol

[vapid sierra]

Zoldyck is my fav rogue talent ngl

[midnight mist]

I will not intervene

[balmy condor]

!log

@vestal wren so can we revert it back

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Fwiw if I get pinged I’ll do it. Just not at like 3 am

[balmy condor]

to what it was

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

wait did we want it back to wowanalyzer?

[midnight mist]

Yes except it consume it auto, you don't have to react to the proc

So you just Perma spam one button

[balmy condor]

there was nothing wrong with the wowa thing

[grand trail]

leave alone my one button

[balmy condor]

Idk why we wanted to change it in the first place

[midnight mist]

[solar wyvern]

You can still do that, just put ambush on a different bind for flavor

[midnight mist]

Not my fault

[midnight mist]

Ye I did

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

Otherwise I was falling asleep

[balmy condor]

I mean turning it off is an option, but the message wasn't wrong

[gusty mirage]

figured we'd just give @spice spire more stuff to do

[dawn heath]

You hit perfect a-d globals on assa as fillers

[balmy condor]

if we want to update the command, we get rid of it entirely

[gusty mirage]

he seems bored these days

[vestal wren]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[balmy condor]

not make more threads we can't keep up with

yeah

[vestal wren]

then we are back to that

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[solar wyvern]

Lmfao bind mut and envenom in random places on your keyboard and start making it a little mini game, dont let your dreams be dreams

[balmy condor]

just leave it

[vestal wren]

kk

[midnight mist]

Real

Ok

Actually real tho

[gusty mirage]

see how many detections you can fit in your cooldowns without dropping envenom buff

[midnight mist]

No way that's what I'm doing to get a little excitement out of the spec

[vestal wren]

if you want to remove the command all together lmk

[dawn heath]

Feral is actually somehow worse than sin

[midnight mist]

Also pooling is useless now

Whispyr told me

[vestal wren]

else, happy assassinating

[midnight mist]

So you don't even have that

[balmy condor]

problem with removing it is that people would be confused why it isn't doing anything

[midnight mist]

There is no way this isn't the worse assa iteration ever

Or

[grim jay]

Just do it if you like it

[midnight mist]

Ye I do it

[balmy condor]

at least this way it has a feedback to the command and give something to maybe help

good enough

[midnight mist]

Otherwise I fall asleep again

[gusty mirage]

maybe we put a disclaimer that it hasn't been updated a while or that it's only good for showing uptime of stuff?

[grim jay]

I do aswell

[dawn heath]

Ye assa might be easiest spec in wow now in raid

[dim pendant]

Yeah WoWA taught me nothing :x

[midnight mist]

wdym might

[solar wyvern]

Assa is indeed easy, somehow easier than ret and bm

[midnight mist]

im not sure i see how something could be easier

[grim jay]

Ret bm fury still easier

[dawn heath]

There is no complexity and a slow rotation

[balmy condor]

I mean that's kinda what it says already, no?

[dawn heath]

Dev evoker

[spice spire]

Brother I’m just trying to enjoy my life

[grim jay]

Oh ye dev

[dawn heath]

Was a contender

[dim pendant]

Any of you fine gentlemen review my sprocket kill log 🙏

[midnight mist]

ye you will have to prove that to me

[royal lantern]

that just means you never played other classes lol

[midnight mist]

of couirse

just type !log

[solar wyvern]

Hehe

[midnight mist]

hehe

[gusty mirage]

depends on what your interpretation of initial support is ig

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/ifold-baguette-gif-19326324

[gusty mirage]

hey bud, how about you don't troll people who are asking for help? 🙂

[dawn heath]

I still think m+ Assa has some complexity

Its quite enjoyable

[gusty mirage]

hehe 🙂

[dawn heath]

I dont like raiding on sin

[radiant raven]

floppy bageuttes. Sad.

[grim jay]

Thats somehow scary coming from you

[gusty mirage]

that's because I ask once

[grand trail]

hehe

[gusty mirage]

second time I see it zac gets a nice little vacation

hehe

[grim jay]

Wish you would ask me once

[midnight mist]

[grim jay]

Out on a date

[midnight mist]

wasnt me no cap

[brazen sluice]

all these admins are here , whats happening a new nerf/buff?

[grand trail]

assa wont see any buffs

[spice surge]

Theres no rogue buffs or nerfs incoming

[brazen sluice]

xD

[spice spire]

It’s a Monday morning

[brazen sluice]

ik was jking

[spice spire]

[brazen sluice]

no1 goes to their jobs or what

[vestal wren]

you want some, outlaw buffs?

[gusty mirage]

[brazen sluice]

LOL fk nah

[spice spire]

My rounds start in ten

[grand trail]

i would not mind outlaw buffs

[gusty mirage]

fuu trying to clear out sub chat

[midnight mist]

oxi

[brazen sluice]

GL mate i just finished my work as a teacher , handling students is more harder than handling 2 outlaw rogues together

[vestal wren]

na, its fine, you are welcome to play a real spec

[spice spire]

Nah I just have families to talk to nothing crazy

[midnight mist]

I want to extend my sincerest apologies for my behavior earlier. I recognize that my actions—specifically the way I chose to engage with that new user—were inappropriate and disrespectful. Trolling, in any form, is unacceptable, and I deeply regret that I allowed myself to act in a way that may have caused him frustration or discomfort.

It was never my intention to belittle or mock him, but I understand that my actions had that effect, and for that, I am truly sorry. I take full responsibility and will reflect on this so it doesn’t happen again.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

[brazen sluice]

are u high?

[gusty mirage]

I'm dealing with an issue atm that's allowing me to work from home

[royal lantern]

reduce the CD on killing spree

[midnight mist]

no

[brazen sluice]

fking Lucker

[royal lantern]

Outlaws love 100% uptime on stuff right? give us 100% uptime on killing Spree

[gusty mirage]

wow you're just mean

[midnight mist]

banger

[vestal wren]

is killing spree on the cdr list, if not put it on it

[solar wyvern]

Wait let him cook

[gusty mirage]

it is

[midnight mist]

did you guys know

[gusty mirage]

which is why they cast it like every 24 seconds

[vestal wren]

hmm

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[midnight mist]

we spend 10% of oour time rn in killing spree

[vestal wren]

i mean its a killing "spree"

not a killing slow

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

[brazen sluice]

no1 is ineterested in outlaw stuff but ill be the one who asks '' why '' ?

[gusty mirage]

fuu's got a point

it's not much of a spree if you do it every minute

[midnight mist]

wdym why

[midnight mist]

ok hear me out tho

[gusty mirage]

okay I'm hearing

[midnight mist]

what if you did it the same amount

BUT

it wasnt a self cc of 3 sec each time

still spreeing right

[grim jay]

Honestly kinda disrespectful to just call zac an "issue"

[midnight mist]

you know

[grim jay]

[midnight mist]

im not even mad

cause i read that sentence and tought it was about me at first

[gusty mirage]

wait

they changed it

to a finisher?

[midnight mist]

ye

[gusty mirage]

oh my lord

[midnight mist]

so it can be longer depending on how much cp you spend on it

with supercharger its 4s long

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

They should just give it a stupid animation

Where you can still walk

[gusty mirage]

it has a stupid animation

[grim jay]

Like fists of fury

[south prawn]

why are no top rio sin rogues running bleed build 😮

[vestal wren]

okay, hear me out o this one, i can fix outlaw

[grim jay]

Because bleed is still spreading (ha) and there are many with questionable thoughts

Or super specific setups

Or both

[south prawn]

i see

thx brudda

[alpine latch]

I've got to hop on some training dummies tonight and blast

I haven't played Assa since they remade it like 3-4 years ago

[grim jay]

3-4 years

[vestal wren]

jokes aside, br needs a buff

[brazen sluice]

assa is my fav out of the 3 specs but its downside that it starvs alot for energy specially in st , u will find ur self auto attking ur target

[mental thistle]

how many garrotes and rup are optimal on hibrid build ?

[grim jay]

5 ruptures for max scent

And as many garrotes as you want

[harsh ravine]

hi, what's the threshold for diminishing return on mastery & crit as assa rogue ?

[balmy condor]

not relevant

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[harsh ravine]

alright ty

[dawn seal]

Can u guys enter wclogs

Or is it down

[wide ibex]

Guys, question...
For 10s is it better to play the Arterial precision & no Kingsband or Kingsbane biuld ?

[plucky canopy]

Bleed all the way

Hu, why is my name this strange colour?👀

[gusty mirage]

outlaw is higher on the role list

so if you picked it, you're stuck yellow

[wide ibex]

Any tips with energy management? I get some issues with energy during ST.. I just have to stay AFK for almost 20 sec

[gusty mirage]

sub is the top

so if you pick sub you become blue

[grim jay]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[grim jay]

The irony

[wide ibex]

@prisma monolith thanks

[plucky canopy]

Ah that explains a lot, just deleted them all 😂

[strange python]

Anyone got an overall dmg breakdown example of how we should be lookin with this bleed build?

[wide ibex]

Good question

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest on top followed by gar/rup/sanguine blades

[brave comet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sonic schooner]

@midnight mist best assa iteration in raid, coming from sub i can still amazon shop inbetween 2 envenoms

[earnest marsh]

can you guys explain to me how sudden demise works ?

i dont feel like it does a lot

[coral ibex]

if a mob has 100 hp and your bleeds will do 150 damage the mob gets executed

[earnest marsh]

all bleeds combined?

[coral ibex]

yes

[earnest marsh]

so its worth to refresh bleeds even if its low hp

[coral ibex]

yes

[earnest marsh]

ty sir

[balmy condor]

it's not worth to refresh specifically for demise though

like it's just worth refreshing them like normal

you don't refresh bleeds just for sudden demise

[normal mist]

SD just... Happens

[balmy condor]

yeah

[normal mist]

Gameplay stays the same

@balmy condor since I'm just starting this season, I noticed the m+ build isn't running iron wire.
What can I get rid of for i.w?
Or are these dungeons not really worth it?

[balmy condor]

guide

[normal mist]

Hmm I might have missed it then

[royal lantern]

hit him with that CHECK THE PINS

[normal mist]

I'll recheck later

[royal lantern]

[normal mist]

Hehehe I got got

Yeah I'm just blind irl

Lightweight shiv

[narrow sedge]

hey, is this currently the best build in MM+ ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[narrow sedge]

after testing it, I found out that we have less dps on bosses and a bit more en AOE

[balmy condor]

other way around

[narrow sedge]

k. I guess you use shyv when your 3 bleeds are up and on CD then ?

[balmy condor]

you still use 2 for deathmark

[narrow sedge]

yeah ofc ^^

[balmy condor]

the other 2 between deathmarks you can just send, yes

[narrow sedge]

but on AOE packs for exemple, using deathmarks is a bit different

[balmy condor]

can hold a charge if you get close to 35%

you just slam deathmark onto whatever you're hitting

it's basically entirely a single target cooldown

[nova aspen]

his video for pookies in pins mentions it

[narrow sedge]

yeah, you gain a bit of poison spread but it's not that much

[balmy condor]

poisons don't do any damage even on hybrid

on hybrid they're just there to buff other things

[nova aspen]

u have to be a pookie to view though

hopefully u have the pookie role

[green vector]

After the stealth opener are we target swapping to maintain 5 ruptures in aoe

[balmy condor]

if the pack lives that long, yes

[normal mist]

Yeah I'm just legally blind

[marble hemlock]

ironic isnt it

[balmy condor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[nova aspen]

which one takes prio in ST bleed rotation, DN or refreshing crimson tempest?

[balmy condor]

dn

[bright tartan]

Is imp garrote worth refreshing in the end of indiscriminate carnage?

[balmy condor]

if you have subterfuge, yes it can be

also y'all this shit is really cool but it also really sucks

finally the togglers aren't aids

now to make all of those talent combos work

[fallow canopy]

Good luck

[midnight mist]

ugly

fix or riot

[sonic schooner]

looks like a chore pain in the ass to do

[balmy condor]

[div display-options="(blindside)&(viciousvenoms)&(!crimsontempest)&(aoe|giga)"]Use [spell=51723] on 5+ Targets[/div]
[div display-options="(blindside)&(viciousvenoms)&(!crimsontempest)&(cleave)"]Use [spell=1329][/div]
[div display-options="(blindside)&(viciousvenoms)&(crimsontempest)"]Use [spell=51723] on 4+ Targets[/div]
[div display-options="(blindside)&(!viciousvenoms)&(crimsontempest)"]Use [spell=51723] on 3+ Targets[/div]
[div display-options="(blindside)&(!viciousvenoms)&(!crimsontempest)"]Use [spell=51723] on 4+ Targets[/div]
[div display-options="(!blindside)&(viciousvenoms)&(crimsontempest)"]Use [spell=51723] on 3+ Targets[/div]
[div display-options="(!blindside)&(viciousvenoms)&(!crimsontempest)"]Use [spell=51723] on 4+ Targets[/div]
[div display-options="(!blindside)&(!viciousvenoms)&(crimsontempest)"]Use [spell=51723] on 2+ Targets[/div]
[div display-options="(!blindside)&(!viciousvenoms)&(!crimsontempest)"]Use [spell=51723] on 3+ Targets[/div]```

fok logic

[dapper cradle]

This tbh

[balmy condor]

all the options=xyz stuff are the buttons

which also need code

very cool and epic

[spice surge]

[alpine latch]

god damnit... I just realized my OH dagger isn't an agi dagger. Warbound items are fucking annoying man

[haughty flicker]

[alpine latch]

At least it's an OH .. Just missing a big chunk of agi

[dapper cradle]

Yeah int dagger isn’t as good for bleed build

[alpine latch]

yeah definitely not

[dapper cradle]

Int better for hybrid

[alpine latch]

I might craft a dagger

I still have the free hero-track craft

[dapper cradle]

I run one int and one agi dag in raid

[alpine latch]

actually

?

[gray pecan]

IF we play bleed build we have stats crit mastery ?

[balmy condor]

yeah, he likes losing like 8% of his damage

[dapper cradle]

No I’m shitposting

[balmy condor]

yep

[dapper cradle]

I’m sorry

[gray pecan]

Thanks !

[limber lion]

:O traitor

[sonic schooner]

dw cev

Some people still have good tastes

[static glacier]

imagine not just saying fok on aoe bozos

leaving the definition of aoe to the reader

[balmy condor]

mb for making the most detailed assassination rogue guide on the internet I guess

I won't try ever again

[static glacier]

INB4 I infintrate the chinese deep net

[sonic schooner]

yea let the chinese do guide on the new chinese build please

[static glacier]

to find the secret guide they have

[sonic schooner]

[spice spire]

Preheat looking ass

[haughty flicker]

It’s ok I forgive you

[static glacier]

on that note how many languages is ur guide avaliable in?

[dapper cradle]

Lemme get that yiddish sin guide

Oy vey!

[balmy condor]

just english, but german forums translate the guide and when I get a god damn minute to breathe I'll record some videos in german like I've been threatening for like a fucking week

so I guess 2

[sonic schooner]

i could do some french translation but

i think i m too lazy for that

[balmy condor]

the french don't deserve it anyway

[sonic schooner]

WOAH

[deep gyro]

Woah

[haughty flicker]

[deep gyro]

[sonic schooner]

tbf frenchies are only playing outlaw

[balmy condor]

just tell those croissants to not stack polyvalence and spam le eunveouonum

[bright tartan]

True

[sonic schooner]

Envenimer in french whispyr 😠

but sure

[balmy condor]

that's what I said

[sonic schooner]

dont stack polyvalence

[balmy condor]

I literally just said insert vowels, what's the difference to what you said?

[sonic schooner]

[bright tartan]

I have a lot of vers am I french

[velvet cairn]

hi, at what point is aerterial worth over lightweight in raid? is it when i have a garrote and a rupture on a 2nd target while doing cds or should i just stick with lightweight shiv?

[balmy condor]

I'm guessing you're talking about tiny toxic and not lightweight

and it's worth on everything that isn't named sprocketmonger

[velvet cairn]

i see, but do i use it for getting poisions out or the damage buff with bleeds, and is there some kind of optimizinging?

[balmy condor]

you just use it like you did before

if you're relying on shiv to spread your poisons it's kinda doomed

[static glacier]

if ur a man you'll make a wingdings version of the guide

[midnight mist]

i dont even know the french abilities name

[sonic schooner]

Main gauche zac

[earnest remnant]

coup de grace?

[sonic schooner]

I dont even think it s coup de grace in french

actually

[bright tartan]

Lmao

[velvet cairn]

but i dont get it, if it only amplifies bleeds why do people use it on eg rik reverb

[balmy condor]

cause it hits barrels

[sonic schooner]

it s Achèvement

[balmy condor]

it makes shiv aoe

[earnest remnant]

danse macabre?

[haughty flicker]

what

[midnight mist]

No way really ??

[velvet cairn]

yeah but what is like the point im not sure, since it buffs bleed i dont see the real use of having it over tiny toxic

[sonic schooner]

@midnight mist

[coral ibex]

danse manatee?

[haughty flicker]

coup de grace isnt coup de grace on the french client?

[midnight mist]

That's cringe wtf

[haughty flicker]

wtf

[midnight mist]

Why you gonna translate things that are already nj french

[balmy condor]

it's not about the bleed buffs, it's about shiv being aoe

you just get more aoe damage

[midnight mist]

Those devs man

[balmy condor]

more caustic

more shiv

[sonic schooner]

this one is the same stealthi, good job

[balmy condor]

if you're bleeding other things it's more bleed

tiny toxic is pointless when the alternative is just more aoe everything

[velvet cairn]

ah so its basically just amp to caustic ?

[balmy condor]

idk how else to explain this

[sonic schooner]

French wow is funny sometimes. I think german is even funnier sometimes

[balmy condor]

it buffs like everything you would ever do in aoe

and then also makes shiv hit multiple targets, which is also damage

[velvet cairn]

ye ye ye thanks again, i think i get it

[balmy condor]

np

[woven pewter]

so on a fight like cauldron, are you just taking it for the clash phase?

[balmy condor]

correct