assassination

[eager pond]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[static glacier]

no

[cosmic sundial]

thanks <3

[misty holly]

With this weeks affix does it become more worth it to crimson tempest when they spawn? I'm assuming the orbs trigger the multi target bonus.

[balmy condor]

You would want to ct the orbs if your ct is not empowered

[grand trail]

after 200 pulls bandito dead 😄 still no dagger dropped ((((

we got the worse possible loot

[silver escarp]

How do you guys dps on Rik for the adds? I feel like sin is useless on them

[coral ibex]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[silver escarp]

!kek

[coral ibex]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

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[silver escarp]

[crisp stream]

sudden demise is the new blood beast? xD jk

[spice surge]

Sudden demise isnt random though

[crisp stream]

🥲

[haughty flicker]

the sudden demise is life

[silver escarp]

I'm never here so i didn't know

[coral ibex]

you have no idea

[silver escarp]

I hate that boss

Just the adds ruins it

[coral ibex]

me too

glad we one shot it this week

we spent more time on vexie

[silver escarp]

Wtf

Even vexie was not horrible for assa

[royal lantern]

vexie is good for assa

[coral ibex]

yea vexie is fine my guild just has a tendency to not lock in on the first pull of the night

[royal lantern]

vexie is bad for lazy people

cus its the boss where "eh, somebody else will do it" can wipe you

[coral ibex]

so we wiped once on vexie to people not gassing up the bikes

[royal lantern]

[coral ibex]

and then we do this stupid shit where we try to 2 heal cauldron of carnage and it just goes terribly

[silver escarp]

We had a problem, where all the bikes where all on one pixel

[coral ibex]

and i die every time

[silver escarp]

so they were all at 1/2

[coral ibex]

[silver escarp]

xD

Btw, is that normal that my vanish + ambush often miss in reapplying the mark?

[haughty flicker]

theres a slight delay when changing stance so you're probably pressing the button too fast and its using mut instead of ambush

[silver escarp]

nah it's the animation for ambush

[haughty flicker]

[silver escarp]

That game isn't bugged

i forgot

[buoyant pumice]

In AOE, We regen energy if our bleed deal dmg to poisioned enemies, But how do I Spread poision to so many enemies quickly?

[spice surge]

Fok

[buoyant pumice]

It spread poision? damn

[ancient rain]

you wanna fok every mob around you

[sonic zinc]

fok em up

[buoyant pumice]

ty ty

[golden loom]

@coral ibex the old lockenstocken man gets to live another day..

atleast the fight is 100x more enjoyable than that stix fella

[upper wraith]

why is the game DCing me every 10 mins?

[desert haven]

yo guys im kinda new to wow. and im playin assa rogue for about 2 weeks now. What do i use here?

[pure moth]

If you already have 2 embellishments.. then nothing

[desert haven]

ive 1 embelishment on weapon atm is it more worth to use another embelishment on another armor piece or what should i use here?

[grand trail]

can you cloak off the ice shatter on mugzee?

[silver escarp]

nop

[grand trail]

good to know 😄

[real pike]

Frfr

We recleared stix tonight and my mood improved so drastically within 3 pulls of lockenstock

[ebon olive]

SO do i tap target now in opener to spread Garrote and Rupture? On how many targets do i go before i go back to my main target?

[covert lily]

tried sub ?

[haughty flicker]

why are we calling out flashee

thats fucked

[covert lily]

told flashee to swap to sub, didn't listen

[silver escarp]

[desert crest]

I genuinely believe not playing sub on rik prog is hard trolling

[dapper cradle]

Depends on your comp really

If you have some giga rets, warriors, or wws

Might be fine

[haughty flicker]

yeah if you dont need barrel damage play sin and giga vibe

[dapper cradle]

Sin on oab is kinda trolling tho

[haughty flicker]

or if you just always get lucky barrel spawns

[dapper cradle]

Sub bangs so hard on bandit

[haughty flicker]

idk i think its also fine on oab if you just have a god comp otherwise

[desert crest]

I think oab is less so assa has good execute

on rik u just need to kill the barrels and the boss dies but yeah if u stack other classes that blow up adds then it is fine ofc

[drifting cloud]

rik literally has x10 the kills of bandit

unless youre going out of your way to stack classes that dont hit barrels

just play the game

[blissful pumice]

So I played the bleed build today in a few keys and sometimes my dmg is totaly insane in packs and sometimes even if I do the same its ok. I try to use my Shiv when mobs are at 35% and use Vanish for imp Garrot, Rupture and Tempest to get more dmg out of Sudden demise

But sometimes Sudden demise goes nuts and sometimes it dosent

[coral ibex]

or you could yell at the WW who is doing assa damage to the barrels

[blissful pumice]

am i Missing something? 😄

[coral ibex]

xd

what is this comp btw where are the ranged

or are they all above you on barrel damage

[covert lily]

did both no worries

[haughty flicker]

ranged is a cowards role

no cowards allowed

[coral ibex]

barrel prog is literally a ranged griefing issue

[desert crest]

That is why i said "prog" couse on prog u prob need the dmg

[coral ibex]

or your WW is asleep tbh

[ashen marten]

anyone know how this person in this log got 3 kingsbane casts in a 2 minute fight? is that a bug? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nJQPm4Hg7aYfhwNK?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=10

[desert crest]

kingsbane is 1 min so u cast then cast at 1 min then again at 2 min

[coral ibex]

cast at opener, 1m, 2m

you cast kb 3x in 2 mins

[haughty flicker]

[desert crest]

lul

[coral ibex]

xd

[ashen marten]

https://gyazo.com/f3879a20694e321e0fcfc3dd0587cde8

on lorgs it shows 2 casted within 15 seconds

[haughty flicker]

the log is busted ignore it

they did shenanigans

[ashen marten]

gotcha

[haughty flicker]

or maybe they just have a really good gaming chair

[silver escarp]

I don’t have the stuff
And i don’t know the spec. Thanks to not assume something.

[sonic schooner]

damn this dude a god starcraft player or what

i respect that nothing is macroed, actually a good player i think

[desert crest]

Sorry bro wasn't really directed at u tbh did not even see that the image was a reply

Assa does better boss dmg which is also nice so u can possible skip an intermission

but in general assa just can't do good add dmg on rik

it is just not possible without making large sacrifices to boss dmg

[haughty flicker]

just get insane barrel spawns

[silver escarp]

Yea we got shitty barrel spawns
Even on good one, spatter didn’t do that much since we have too much melee

[hasty viper]

That's so real

[silver escarp]

If i knew sub, i would swap. At least for progress
Sadly i'm bad in sin, and worse in sub

[hasty viper]

I got one god pull today and just outdamaged everyone including our outlaw who is 4 ilvl's higher and was top barrel damage always

But it was 1 pull for the whole 3 hours

Gonna just swap to sub next raid for prog xd

[desert crest]

Fair u can always play pirate spec lul

[hasty viper]

I have House of Cards so it's fine

[silver escarp]

Please don’t make me puke xD

[high walrus]

these metaslavers need to get their shit together

somehow timed a top13 with this

[silver escarp]

Well, assa is still great in key

[static glacier]

link boss dam

[desert crest]

Says the guy playing the spec doing 4th highest overall in keys

[haughty flicker]

im just replying because everyone else did

[desert crest]

but true both boomkin and unholy should do more dmg than u

[high walrus]

pretty sure I outdpsed them on bosses too

(I didn't get selected for arena once)

[hasty viper]

Listen to this man, outlaw blasting on the adds (Only add damage here)

Yes I'm the sin with shit add damage, how could you tell

[high walrus]

[lyric vale]

Nah boomie detected opinion rejected

[ashen totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/882644706314575872/boomkin.gif

[wet roost]

is assa the best M+ rogue spec atm?

[lyric vale]

I want to go back to when i spread hatred towards boomi

[royal lantern]

its never too late

you can always hate on boomkins

[lyric vale]

Lemme try to get ban in their discord

[high walrus]

ret palas are worse

never will I do a key with a retpala

[royal lantern]

nah

[lyric vale]

Nah

[royal lantern]

rets are just stupid

boomkins are stupid and also full of themself

[lyric vale]

Im playing ret 😂😂😂

[royal lantern]

and loud

[lyric vale]

++++++++

[high walrus]

what about ret attracts the biggest lobotomites, I don't understand it

is it because it's easy

boomie is piss easy too isn't it

[lyric vale]

Yeah after playing outlaw for year i want to get retired whats best and dumb pala ret

[royal lantern]

its ridicolous easy, unkillable in most content and the best spec in the game for casual world content, has 0 commitment in its gameplay so you cant fuck anything up

[haughty flicker]

glowy wings cool

[royal lantern]

and its the "white human guy in armor with a sword" class togheter with warrior

so it ofc attracts the generic boring guys

[high walrus]

I did a dfc14 earlier (tried) with a ret pala who was premade with the tank

and whenever he got the lighting buff on 2nd boss he just bubbled and kept dpsing

somehow we did it and then he didn't feel like kicking next boss

(after failing the stair skip)

never seen anything like it

[haughty flicker]

incredibly based

[high walrus]

this is your mind on ashbringer

[lyric vale]

Peak expriance

Dude i was doing all the shit in doungen when i was rouge when i switch to retri i literally ninja pulled whole motherload

Whats bad gonna happen u can bubble through it fuck others its literally in description of ability

[viscid spear]

Who brought me?

[pure moth]

Youre not wrong

[strange sleet]

any1 know how can I see wipes in a wowlogs report?

[strange sleet]

yeye I found it

ty anyways ttho

[haughty flicker]

np

[strange sleet]

🙃

[viscid tide]

how do i get my caustic splatter dmg up?

[solar wyvern]

Hybrid? 5 ruptures and start mashing envenom buddy.

Bleed? Its just gonna be lower since you're garroting way moreover, no amp poison, no poison bomb, no ttk

[stable cove]

So with bleed build do you continue to spread rupture garrote instead of doing it twice then doing caustic?

On very large packs

[dreamy rover]

Youre going to be spreading garrotes/ruptures on important targets during your whole IC window

[proud pelican]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dreamy rover]

On bleed build or hybrid

[lyric vale]

guys im messing up somthing in rotation

is there anything that can refresh my cd next to dummy?

[solar wyvern]

I don't think theres a single pull with 5 major priority targets in this season but i haven't been playing hybrid so maybe i just haven't thought too much about it

[dreamy rover]

Yhea big pulls have them

But smaller dungeons with worse groups you never have 5 big mobs in a pack

Aka every pug

[solar wyvern]

Hmm can I have an example

Maybe you and i just have different ideas on big mobs

And we're actually on the same page kekw

[dreamy rover]

Room before 2nd rookery boss

And that corridor

Depending on what route or size of pull youre doing

[solar wyvern]

Oh yeah rookery is a very good example actually

[dreamy rover]

You definitely have 5 big mobs there

[solar wyvern]

I never think of that dungeon

Okay we're on the same page agree agree

[dreamy rover]

But youre correct, theres very few pulls with big important dudes

[solar wyvern]

Im just so meadery brained rn was in that dungeon for 4 hrs yesterday

Just spamming through 17 attempts and resil 16 lmfao

[dreamy rover]

Looool

What a experience

[solar wyvern]

Its actually very fun we got really really good at the first room LOL

[dreamy rover]

Earlier today i was mashing my head on a 16 floodgate

[solar wyvern]

From 8 min aldyr to 6:30

[dreamy rover]

With a boomy, so casts would go through, someone would fucking die and gg dungeon needs to be reset

[solar wyvern]

Idk why but I'm just jesus in floodgate have never failed that key once

[dreamy rover]

Thats a very cool part about these

[solar wyvern]

17 in my bag gonna attempt before reset

[dreamy rover]

Lul

Go for it

Youll get another after reset anyways

[solar wyvern]

Yerp

[solar wyvern]

Yeah resilient keys are actually so goated, the amount of optimizing you can do feels like raid prog which I love

[dreamy rover]

Exactly

Feels like youre those MDI dudes trying insane strategies in PTR lol

[solar wyvern]

Like we started with 2 muscles, then we asked, is 3 really that bad? So we started doing 3. Then we asked, is prioing the same muscle really that good (havoc assa uh) so we split our wounded quarry and deathmark targets. Then we asked what if we skip the 4th pyro in the 3 muscle pull and used it on chewie for funnel? Then we had an extra pack on boss for funnel

Like just so much experimenting and optimization ahhh i love it

[dreamy rover]

Thats a cool comp

Wow

[solar wyvern]

Yeah comp is bear, rsham, havoc assa/sub, uH

[dreamy rover]

Uh DH is just embarrassing your dps though 😔

If dude is good as unholy

Jesus

[ebon glen]

Is it ever worth removing serrated bone spikes to put 1 into iron wire?

[dreamy rover]

You have a 0% chance of beating his overall dps

[solar wyvern]

Yeah if he procs good its usually 500-1m more than us

Depending on key ofc

[dreamy rover]

Love blizzard balancing

They see that and go

Uhhhh 5% nerf to bloodbeast is enough 💯

While even w/o procs theyre doing better than everyone

[solar wyvern]

But its also kinda weird because like while it can be an beast on some pulls the consistent dps of assa and havoc make up for bad procs

And the boss dps of havoc is incredible

[dreamy rover]

Yhea

[solar wyvern]

So in the end were all pretty similar

[coral ibex]

its worth 5%

that's up to you

[solar wyvern]

And our rsham is getting buffed and playing farseer here and there

[coral ibex]

at least its worth about 5% in dungeonslice for me

[dreamy rover]

What type of ST dmg are you getting? @solar wyvern

And i mean a boss like the swamp dude in flood

[solar wyvern]

Like during down period rsham does legit dps

[dreamy rover]

Where its really 1 target whole fight

[dreamy rover]

Holy shit

Thats crazy damage

[solar wyvern]

Yeah but its virtually unrealistic except for some pulls

Cant spam chain lightning all day unfortunately

[dreamy rover]

Lol

[spice surge]

Do they play farseer or totemic

[dreamy rover]

Sadly a true one

[solar wyvern]

Thats farseer

[spice surge]

Ie is it getting buffed on wednesday

[solar wyvern]

Thats prebuff farseer dps without using healing buttons

[spice surge]

ye

[solar wyvern]

So pretty good for like the reflective shield mini boss when the shield is down in priory for example

Or some alchemist pulls in ML

Or the gunk pull in workshop

[spice surge]

Ye i know resto does damage when it doesnt have to heal, this is how our resto shamans DPS logs looked like in nerubar

Bro slaps

[solar wyvern]

Haha craY

Big dam

[solar wyvern]

It depends on if i get 2 or 3 deathmarks and when.

If its 2 and one is in execute, like 1.4, 1.5ish?

St on bleed is pretty meh

And blindside rng doesn't help

As soon as you add a second target tho, like the second boss

2.2-2.4m dps

[spice surge]

A bit dangerous but probably worth pulling stuff like divers ontop of the swampface boss

Or swap to sub before ig

[solar wyvern]

I actually have pondered porting out after second boss and going sub

Or porting out after third since you spawn right where he dies

But now that people are skipping a lot of the good sub pulls in the last area idk anymore

We've considered pulling crabs onto swamp face and killing them after the waves

[spice surge]

With speedshroud+waterwalking you dont have to play those mobs down there

[solar wyvern]

Since the vines arent up

[spice surge]

Like the architect pack

[solar wyvern]

I mean you can just pull bubbles and meld

And u dont play scaffolding either

[spice surge]

Ye ig

Good thing everything has truesight so you cant skip anything

[solar wyvern]

And the jump starter + double inspector pack is skipped now

[spice surge]

Except if you have meld

Where you can skip everything

[solar wyvern]

So its like, skip bubbles, one pull, shroud past jumpstarter inspectors

Double jump starter and boss

[grand trail]

Damn i was living the velf dream but my guild wanna stay in cages and kill early

[true tapir]

Hey, how does haste sim for the bleed build? is it signifiantly worst than for the hybrid?

[spice surge]

well you do more outside anyway

[grand trail]

Velfs so cute

[haughty flicker]

velf out anyway

[spice surge]

Like even if you want to burst the cages down asap

[solar wyvern]

Significantly better on bleed

[spice surge]

Velfing out is better

[grand trail]

How

[solar wyvern]

Spatter + boss dps

Especially important in p2

[haughty flicker]

you cleave both off boss

[true tapir]

really?? I was expecting that haste = more poisons, and since you have less poisons on bleed....

[haughty flicker]

imagine having one of the only specs that can actually cleave through gaols and then not using them to cleave through gaols

[spice surge]

So you can either spend cps and globals getting ruptures up on the jails and then you envenom

Or you can hit boss and cleave 80% of it onto 2 adds

[solar wyvern]

Haste = more bleed ticks, more energy

[grand trail]

Damn i will see tommorow if i go velf than

[true tapir]

really????? I though haste was only attack speed and energy regen

[haughty flicker]

im not going velf because alliance transmogs suck

[true tapir]

not like I went to 3.2k IO without ever knowing that lmao

[solar wyvern]

It do be like that sometimes

[slim copper]

had my first M Vexie kill. I was second on the logs but my parse was 27 XD

[dark hornet]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/vexie-and-the-geargrinders?difficulty=heroic why does it show rank 2 rogue using 1 min cd deathmarks?

[slim copper]

if i share in a bit can yall help? I kinda forgot about breakdown tbf

[haughty flicker]

because the log is borked

they combined it with a floodgate run lmao

[viscid spear]

[haughty flicker]

amazing that its still up

[viscid spear]

BElf superiority

[balmy condor]

lorrgs has no detection/deletion system for that

it simply just pulls new logs in

so that'll stay up forever

[haughty flicker]

time to fill every top 10 with borked logs

[slim copper]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/prZMgcPzWK28xJ7w/1-Mythic+Vexie+and+the+Geargrinders+-+Kill+(7:05)/Cohete/standard
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/prZMgcPzWK28xJ7w?fight=1&type=damage-done

I need to work on my envenoms. Outside of that only thing I know is i completely forgot about saving DM and KB for breakdown

if anyone can see anything else lmk ❤️

given my uptime on rupture though, the "bad casts" of envenom arent all that bad right?

[haughty flicker]

the most useful information wowanalyzer has given you here is to enchant your ring

[slim copper]

also not sure what else im supposed to do is other than envenom when my bleeds are up lol

[haughty flicker]

its very out of date

[frank trench]

What’s an ok dps for someone to do in a 10-12 m+

[tall atlas]

As ass rogue about 3-4m

But your question has so many loose ended variables which makes it impossible to answer

What key

What’s your ilvl

[sonic schooner]

hard to say, we dont know your gear, we dont know if u pug or not, we dont know if you re playing with 2 fmage or 2 dk, who knows

[tall atlas]

Weapons

Do you have pi

[sonic schooner]

above tank is good

[tall atlas]

What trinkets

[tall atlas]

Tbh p sure bleed build beats fmage

[sonic schooner]

i mean

everything beats fire mage in 10 12

they cant play the game at this level

[tall atlas]

Ye true

[sonic schooner]

we gotta hold combust 20s every end of packs and spam fireball

[tall atlas]

Ye

Even now I’m doing 14s on bleed build if it’s a pack of big mobs I’ll hold a vanish to redo mega garrotes and ruptures faster for the demise dam

Idk if that’s optimal but feelcrafty it works out

If I’ve got a vanish spare that is

[spice spire]

Wdym we

[sonic schooner]

listen i m depressed enough to know i wont be able to do high keys as rogue in pug, dont stare at me

[spice spire]

[hidden bay]

funnier than it should be

[hidden bay]

why do you press rupture in your shiv window

wasting that forced induction combo points

[frank trench]

Fair. I have 662 gear score I have house of cards I use bleed build fully
Chanted. I am pulling like 3.2-3.4 million

Just trying to get a rough feel.

[slim copper]

thats fair so make sure bleeds are up before shiv window. or really before DM/KB windows?

because we pop shiv right after

[balmy condor]

this doesn't matter

[hidden bay]

thats a lie!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

[slim copper]

lel

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

dont be cringe man

[slim copper]

think im gonna have to go with whispyr on this lol

grand poobah whispyr*

[spice spire]

I’d never go with whispyr

[balmy condor]

that being said, you shouldn't need to rupture in your deathmark like that to begin with

[winged sun]

What in the world of ruptures is that

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah idk man I have a better Dick Reverberation parse than Whispyr I guess he’s washed

[slim copper]

get out of here lol who asked you

[cerulean walrus]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[winged sun]

Why are u mad

[haughty flicker]

!riccardo

[winged sun]

Weird guy

[spice spire]

It’s dick vibes get it right

[balmy condor]

yeh that's a 7cp rupture

so the advice should be less "you're wasting forced induction" whatever the hell that means

and more "why the fuck did you rupture a second time"

you would've had 20 seconds of rupture left when you refreshed it during deathmark

[cerulean walrus]

Ricardo Beat

[balmy condor]

so

uh

don't do that

[spice spire]

That’s freaky time reverb

[slim copper]

i might have fat fingered my mouse on that one

[umbral sierra]

are we crimson tempest on 2 target boss fights?
2nd note 1st boss priory is it worth ct bc dmg to 2nd boss is not valuable

[balmy condor]

you CT on 2 with hybrid, CT on 1 with bleed

[umbral sierra]

using hybrid

should have clarified sorry

[balmy condor]

and yes, CT on 2 is a single target gain

[patent gust]

Some pulls I'm doing real well and others relatively shit. How much RnG is there because I feel like I'm doing my rotation relatively the same

[balmy condor]

around 14%

[long pollen]

I was having a lot of fun with bleed in mythics; is it usable in raid?

[balmy condor]

no

that's why we have raid builds

[long pollen]

Ah thanks

[umbral sierra]

thx whispyr u da best

another question im at about 13% crit bc gear is wonky from coming from pvp to pve

should i use ma over sb

[balmy condor]

I don't care

sim it and do whatever you want

[umbral sierra]

thats fair

[pine fiber]

Playing single Shiv in M+, do we want to delay Shiv to be active for the last 8 seconds of Kingsbane?

[umbral sierra]

ya

[blazing pumice]

shiv isn't worth casting in aoe

with hybrid build

[umbral sierra]

depends

if ur trying to burst a high hp prio tar

shiv is good

[balmy condor]

yeah, so it's worth casting for single target

and not worth casting in aoe

[haughty flicker]

[umbral sierra]

what about high prio high hp tar in aoe

[balmy condor]

?

I'm lost

[haughty flicker]

hi lost

[umbral sierra]

its not st though?

or would u consider that to be

[balmy condor]

okay

it is always worth casting shiv for damage against 1 enemy

obviously

it is not worth casting shiv in aoe just for the sake of casting it

[umbral sierra]

gotcha

sorry i did not explain very well and im occupied in a raid while asking

[stable cove]

anyone have a working mouseover kick macro?

[crude helm]

I have this one

/cast [mod:shift,@focus,harm,nodead] Kick; [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Kick; Kick

holding shift hits focus if its set

[deft vault]

how much do yall sim for?

i sim at 2.16 at 667 ilvl that seems rather low no ?

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[pine fiber]

I run Supercharger x2 and Forced Induction, so attempting to get as many shivs out as possible. Still worth holding it for the last 8s of Kingsbane in AOE, or should I just be sending it as much as possible for the extra CP's and FI damage?

[balmy condor]

can send it earlier if you want but it doesn't matter

you're playing FI

so

-aoe

[bronze pike]

whispyr

[balmy condor]

+cope

[bronze pike]

serious question caise i came back from the forums

[balmy condor]

that can't be good

[bronze pike]

has there been a sudden spike in like, anti dev/classcord sentiment as of late?

cause i found this fucking banger

[balmy condor]

wtf is eev

[bronze pike]

dev*

[balmy condor]

but lately? not to my knowledge

[bronze pike]

sorry

[balmy condor]

anti dev yes

[bronze pike]

kk just checkin

okay that tracks

[balmy condor]

I mean just open outlaw

[bronze pike]

basically people have gotten the idea that the dev is a mod here and in felhammer for some reason

and it started a shitstorm

[balmy condor]

lmao

[sonic schooner]

what did i just read

[coral ibex]

pin that

[pine fiber]

Appreciate that, sometimes makes more sense to send it early, few side mobs might die before KB's last couple of seconds, so wasn't sure if I should obsess over it.

[balmy condor]

wasn't the narrative like 3 months ago that he quit

[bronze pike]

yes

[balmy condor]

and then like 3 months before that it was that he got promoted

[bronze pike]

yep

[balmy condor]

these people need to be fanfiction writers

[bronze pike]

and 3 months efore that he was sucking off dh

[balmy condor]

but yeah, classic outlaw rogue forum post

that's basically a distilled TLDR of the channel

[bronze pike]

kk jsut checking cause i finally had a chance to catch up on my forum reading

[balmy condor]

yeh this is why no one uses the forums

[sonic schooner]

guys, we had enough of bleed build era, now it s time for poisons to rejoice

(dont ban me yet)

[balmy condor]

and this is why people don't like classcords

[bronze pike]

basically ya

xae is doing a victim complex on forums

its funny to watch, today i remind them all

[marble hemlock]

You're not allowed to pick any red talents in a poison build, sorry bucko

at least drop the max energy one, deathmark and IC

[sonic schooner]

but i had to :( else i would not have picked dm either

[marble hemlock]

sounds like a skrill issue

[strange sleet]

too much red stuff inthere. Try this one

[sonic schooner]

sounds like a bad talent design tree

not enough green on top

[sage spoke]

Too much red

[bitter horizon]

guys im new for m+ we sim dungeon slice or 8 targets 1 min?

[dreamy rover]

Yhea thats about what im seeing

Playing bleed too ofc

[pine fiber]

@balmy condor Playing Hybrid (without subterfuge). On a ST M+ boss, is it worth refreshing Garrote in the final second of the Improved Garrote window? Asking in a scenario where 2m cds may have been used in the pack before the boss.

[dreamy rover]

HEY SMART PEople. When simming assassin with zoldyck, the boss is always at 100% HP or is it a "normal" fight where boss HP keeps going down until it "dies"?

[sonic schooner]

dungeon slice is good enough for top gear

[sonic schooner]

patchwerk is normal fight, dummy is not (as mentionned on the tooltip)

[bitter horizon]

Thank you

[dreamy rover]

Tyvm

So a patchwerk sim showing 2.1M is about the best my assassin will do on ST

Got it

[past bobcat]

People still playing the hybrid build for higher keys

Are they just not privy to the bleed build?

[sonic schooner]

they testing

bleed went from 6% to 20% uses in a week in logs

[dreamy rover]

That build you just sent censi

[balmy condor]

I don't get the question I think

[dreamy rover]

Weird as hell

[sonic schooner]

yea ikr

it s bleed with kb for random reasons

[balmy condor]

you have no subterfuge

and you're refreshing garrote

with.... vanish?

which window

[sonic schooner]

dude didnt know what to play, he just mixed both builds for fun i guess but he s doing all his keys like that

[pine fiber]

The improved garrote 6s window. Is it worth casting garrote a second time in the opener to extend improved garrote timer?

[balmy condor]

oh

god no

[pine fiber]

Thanks

[burnt star]

Oh no..

got to play fatebound XD

[midnight arrow]

Pour one out

[burnt star]

but otherwise, m.a is kinda of ahead of vv

for me

[peak sun]

whats the incremental dmg of our 4pc? from 2 to 4pc

[dreamy rover]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dreamy rover]

you can find this info here @peak sun

[bright tartan]

is it optimal to refresh garrote at the end of indiscriminate carnage in keys?

[fathom cosmos]

Im learning assassination so im using hekili and its defintely increasing my damage, but it seems a little weird how little its making me use my empowered envenom, its also having me cast a LOT of spells at like 3 or so combo points, is that normal?

[coral ibex]

that does not sound right

unless it is making you finish at 3 with supercharger

which is just a bad habit to learn

dont use hekili

just have a guide up on the side and practice on a dummy

you're just learning to look at hekili, you're not learning the spec

[ornate aspen]

Hekili sucks shit for rogue. No offense to whoever updates it

[winged sun]

Full offense

[winged sun]

No offense ofc

[ornate aspen]

What can I say? Make it better y'know?

[wise plume]

wtf is hekili

[ornate aspen]

TBF its not really designed for us. Its designed for more proc heavy priorty-based specs like BM, Ret, or Enhance.
For them it's not terrible

[coral ibex]

addon that tells you what button to press

[wise plume]

yeah that addon would not work well for assass

i am curious about this 14% increase in logs with the bleed build however

[coral ibex]

its big

[wise plume]

but i do enjoy getting multiple bomb procs

[ornate aspen]

Its not better than watching the entire pack pop at 10% HP I assure you

[wise plume]

yeah that is true

is it worth testing in higher keys?

[coral ibex]

if you have a resil key why not

it sims higher for me in dungeon slice and on patchwerk

vs hybrid

[wise plume]

oooooh buddy

[coral ibex]

and its easier to play

[slow blade]

would it be alright if did the log command and posted mine for review?

[hollow river]

sure

might have to wait a bit for someone to have time to peep it, but it'll sit the in thread menu

[slow blade]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[slow blade]

is it broken or am i dumb <.<

[runic hinge]

you should just post it and a cf can thread it for you

[hollow river]

post the link and i'll make a thread for it

[slow blade]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KAhHd2jW3mTGgqYP?type=damage-done&fight=last

[hollow river]

i didn't realize the command was off in here

[runic hinge]

Not a lot of people doing log reviews in here

really just when quake gets to it

[haughty flicker]

i'd do log reviews if i wasnt bad at the game

but best i can do is shitpost in here and pretend to be helpful every once in a while

[wise plume]

this is interesting, the bleed build is showing a 9.0% decrease vs hybrid for me

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

send sim i wanna see

[runic hinge]

same

[wise plume]

got u

[balmy condor]

I wanna see too

[runic hinge]

He fixed. It’s ahead by .8 now

[balmy condor]

BOOOOOOOOOOO

[waxen oyster]

Oh no

we’re back to imp garr/ma?

[runic hinge]

It's like .4 so

I could go either way

but I went back, cause i like thinking garrote does something

[waxen oyster]

im guessing the prebuff build

[waxen oyster]

Same but I also like having vanish in case mark goes into the void

[ebon glen]

Think it's ever worth dropping Serrated Bone Spikes for Iron Wire? Dungeon specific I suppose. Feel like it could be pretty useful in a few dungeons. Last dungeon I did it was only 1.8% of my dmg? So roughly 101 mil overall between hit/dot.

[vital flicker]

I like having vanish in my rotation because it gives me another button to press, VV also can put you to sleep. I am pretty sure VV would be easier to play optimally though so a .4% difference would literally just feel like pull to pull variance

[subtle tundra]

serrated bone spike dmg isnt just the dmg. its the combo points, the faster opener in aoe, the lethal dose dmg

[vital flicker]

what varas said

[subtle tundra]

not quantifiable

unless simmed

and sims say sbs is really good

[runic hinge]

this is from the pins

[ebon glen]

Ahh good point good point didnt even consider that stuff

[runic hinge]

if i dont run with ironwire i drop sbs and doomblade for kb and IW but i will say it doesnt feel nearly as good and it's -4%ish

I dont play with pugs that often tho and a lot of my friends play prot pally

[vital flicker]

it does suck that though we have multiple viable builds, none of them feel like they have a completely free point ot take IW

[ebon glen]

Sure, I mostly run with a full group and interrupts aren't much of an issue, but when pugging it is a nightmare sometimes so was trying to figure a way to get iron wire in the bleed build.

[runic hinge]

yeah i play with it with kb, opener is a little clunky but it's still good

[vital flicker]

there is no talent that you can drop with the bleed build that you can drop for IW without a loss in QoL and dps

or any build, we have a lot of damage nodes in the spec tree

[buoyant herald]

this might be a bad take but between aoe blind, kick, kidney, vanish cheap shot etc if you feel like you need IW to pick up even MORE slack then you're kinda doomed

[ebon glen]

Yea, I've noticed that. SBS was the only thing that made sense but I wasn't really thinking about the combo points and lethal dose dmg and such. Was just looking at pure detail dmg which didn't seem impactful at first. But as the others mentioned SBS brings more than just the dmg so not worth unfortunately.

[runic hinge]

Pugs are always doomed

[buoyant herald]

amen

[ebon glen]

Yea, pugs are always doomed lol, i don't run them often just when I do was look at a way to make my life easier with minimal impact

[vital flicker]

I usually view IW as a good way to group casters more than just a way to avoid damage since not every tank is great at grouping adds up consistently, especially since I am throwing out garrotes out of stealth anyways

[buoyant herald]

i'd argue that everyone has their kick off cd on the pull most of the time to do that but yeah, IW certainly helps

[vital flicker]

I don'tthink there is much reason to take IW in a coordinated group tbf

[buoyant herald]

not this season

[vital flicker]

and it is at BEST arguable in an uncoordinated group

[ebon glen]

^

[fathom cosmos]

thats why i didnt even try to use it when i learned sub it fucks everything up badly LOL, just thought id come in here and ask

[subtle tundra]

you dont NEED it. thats why people didnt play it last season

but its such a strong talent, it feels bad to know you could take it and you didnt

cause of dps

[buoyant herald]

i used to take it by default but i do usually play in groups that are in comms and i just found i was barely using it so

definitely a good choice though

[fathom cosmos]

Any addons yall suggest for assassination?

Ive got the typical luxthos one

[balmy condor]

weakauras and plater and you're good to go

[fathom cosmos]

any weakauras in specific is kinda what i meant 🤓

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

I use whisps over luxthos

And his plater too. But I used cevs for all of DF

[wise plume]

i cant use weakaura layouts for some reason, im so used to my x-perl layout from 2011

[slate crown]

Based

[wise plume]

ppl gag when they see my ui

[buoyant herald]

There are some universal truths for UI building but most of it is very personal

[round cypress]

Hello, just started progging Rik, how do you manage your boss uptime ? I feel like I'm constantly running and shadowstepping on the adds

[red schooner]

Manage uptime by getting your ranged DPS to do their jobs

[round cypress]

Expected answer, thanks a lot 😄

[golden loom]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[golden loom]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[red schooner]

I mean yeah, we're not good at adds on that fight, we COULD hard swap but we're basically tickling the adds.

[round cypress]

Yeah, I did notice that 😅

[red schooner]

Like if it's the difference between an add dying and an add living then yeah hard swap but if your raid is at the point where it's the sin rogue hard target swapping being the make or break factor then yeah I'd probably suggest there's other classes that are just sat there not doing their job

And they need to sort their shit out

[round cypress]

Oh, we do have hunters who are behind me on barrel damage (it was our first coupel of hours on it)

[red schooner]

Problem number 1 then.

[subtle tundra]

my elitist opinion is that if your raid says youre trolling by playing assa maybe they are trolling by being so bad at the game to struggle on rik

[round cypress]

based

[red schooner]

Idk we killed Rik with 2 sin rogues and a fire mage add damage wasn't an isuse

[subtle tundra]

its the 3rd boss of the raid if i cant play whatever my throbbing cock wants, then fuck off

[red schooner]

But yeah hunters being below you on a spread add fight

Yeah no they're taking the piss and that should be the first problem your RL needs to address

Rather than the sin rogue hard swapping

[golden loom]

I mean maybe the hunters is doing the hero job and single targeting far barrels while there were good spawns in melee to spatter

[red schooner]

I have limited faith in hunters

[bronze pike]

so unbelievably based

[red schooner]

Hunters and chickens, not trustworthy

Chickens especially so seeing as our chicken spent a full raid night playing FUCKING SINGLE TARGET BUILD ON STIX PROG

SIR YOU HAVE ONE JOB, HIT STARFALL

[subtle tundra]

i love my chicken

on mugzee im in cage with him ❤️ so cute

[red schooner]

Boomkins look cute, feathers for brains though.

[subtle tundra]

i used all my cds in cage in last phase to get him out faster

i love my blumpkin

[vagrant linden]

In M+ if I keep spamming rupture/garrote on primary target will it auto spread to unaffected targets?

[balmy condor]

yes

[vagrant linden]

Perfect! Thank you

I keep losing focus of my primary target during big pulls so that’s gonna be a big game changer

[runic hinge]

What does it want

[subtle tundra]

to paint. i have yet to finish my first one

CAUSE I AINT GOT TIME

[runic hinge]

I hope you get some time soon

And share your art with the fam

[royal hazel]

Hi all. Can we talk ass rogue ui here? Ive juat downloaded lionas rogue wa

[royal lantern]

varas is in his Tortured Artist arc

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

most people here use one of them

[royal hazel]

So whay do the green dots mean

Ty

[balmy condor]

probably tea charges I assume

[royal hazel]

Ooft probably

Ty

[deft vault]

if im formating my pc but i dont wanna lose my ui which folder do i need to keep for wow?

[onyx rock]

WTF and Interface (inside retail)

[uneven ibex]

good thing we killed sprocket so i dont have to bother with this

[subtle tundra]

buddy you wouldnt have had to anyways

just dont play it

nobody is making you do anything

thank GOD for free will AMEN

[uneven ibex]

bUt 40k dPS

[golden loom]

and then u flip bad on kill pull and ur -5000 billion

[uneven ibex]

rippp

[subtle tundra]

yeah but then you flip good

and you smile!

[dawn seal]

How big is kill time

[frosty nebula]

im a bit confused on my aoe , sometimes i pop alot dps and sometimes its meh, i spread rupture and garrote and i basicly just fan of knives into crimson tempest. Do i keep spaning fok and tempest or?

[dawn seal]

How important it is on logs

[static glacier]

Have you actually played fb?

[red wolf]

crimson tempest is just a dot

[dawn seal]

Brother man

[static glacier]

Its easier than ds

[dawn seal]

Can u check my log again sometime

😭

[golden loom]

not a chance in the world

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

It’s gonna be ok bora

[dawn seal]

Someone I am losing my mind

[red schooner]

Thank god my raid teams issue is survivability and not damage, me being fatebound ain't helping us live

[dawn seal]

Idk why I am parsing blue

[golden loom]

u have 1 thing to semi think about with FB (vanish) while DS is just classic wow

[runic hinge]

Yeah and I played it tonight and was 300k less dps than last week with DS despite it simming 3% ahead lol

[static glacier]

No shot we find finishing on 5 all the time harder than 5/5/5/7

[static glacier]

Jesus

[runic hinge]

Didn’t hit capstone until 3rd dm

[static glacier]

For me it’s always done the same st as ds

[runic hinge]

[static glacier]

Played it for like 30 boss kills last tier

[balmy condor]

why are you spamming crimson tempest, it's a dot

[runic hinge]

I played it for 8. Hit capstone 1 time. I have good rng

[static glacier]

Be careful with outlaw Tony

You might killing spree into ur pc crashing and exploding

[runic hinge]

I’m too old to play outlaw

[frosty nebula]

so fok and envenom than , ok my bad i had the impresiion i was doing more aoe by just spamming it

[red wolf]

CT hasnt done initial dmg upon pressing it for a while

highly reccomend reading the wowhead guide

is good

[balmy condor]

read caustic spatter

good talent

[frosty nebula]

man im so bad in assa im sorry haha

[balmy condor]

all g

[frosty nebula]

will do ty

[balmy condor]

that's what we're here for

[frosty nebula]

yesterday we did cinder 12 my overall was 2.9mil ilvl 659 but i was spaming cot lol

[balmy condor]

[pine fiber]

Going to give the Bleed Build a go tonight. In aoe packs, do we prioritize free Ambush procs > fan of knives? Or FOK as normal to generate CPs?

[balmy condor]

you follow basic generator rules

[golden loom]

u have infinite energy so u dont care that its free in aoe

[frosty nebula]

what if the pack lives longer , my garrotes and ruptures fall of, do i apply them single all of them back , i dont have vanish or im keeping it for next pull

[raw lake]

Hello! I have a quick question, is Sudden demise subject of crit (bleed build)? On first pull of Rookery I did 17M dps one time (vanish + shiv on 35% hp) but did Rookery two times after and couldn't be above 12-13M

[balmy condor]

just a couple ruptures for energy

[balmy condor]

sudden demise cannot crit

[raw lake]

Is it pretty much RnG-based or am I supposed to have the same dps every time if I play for sudden?

[subtle tundra]

your dps should be pretty consistant

[raw lake]

Okay so I am doing something wrong then ^^

[subtle tundra]

the other dps in the group should influence your dps more

them doing more aoe, more st, just more dps, grouping the mobs better

assa is a very low variance spec when it comes to aoe

has no procs, just a bit of fok rng but its low

[raw lake]

Yeah its weird sometimes I have big suddens sometimes not

[balmy condor]

you shouldn't really be trying to do that

so

idk I wouldn't really care

[subtle tundra]

stop playing around sudden

and looking at its dmg

[raw lake]

The idea for bleed build is to vanish reapply dots + shiv no?

[subtle tundra]

except maybe at the end of the dungeon, for fun

[raw lake]

at 35% gp

hp*

[balmy condor]

sudden demise damage is based on how much damage your bleeds still have on them, so it's naturally just going to vary based on mastery procs and haste and shit

[balmy condor]

no?>

it's just shifting damage from caustic into bleeds

there's no giga brain

[subtle tundra]

vanish usage is exactly the same

[balmy condor]

yes you have zold and your sudden demise is passively bigger because of it

but you're not doing anything with that

it just is

[raw lake]

Okay i've been playing it completely wrong then x)

[subtle tundra]

bleed build is using shiv instead of kb in aoe(cause you have no kb, and shiv is useful)

you still spam envenoms

you still spatter

you still bleed

[balmy condor]

sudden demise is by definition inefficient damage

so you shouldn't really try and optimize for it

it'll just happen sometimes and you're happy and if you're refreshing bleeds at like 30% and they pop at 15% you're happy

[subtle tundra]

its literally just shifting what does more/less damage

[frosty nebula]

is it recommended to vanish on 30% hp on boss and re apply garrote and rupture for bigger demise?

[subtle tundra]

BRO

[balmy condor]

but you're not like "oh my god it's gonna pop soon, quick I need a 5cp rupture"

[neat jacinth]

Just more ruptures in the beginning of a pull, right?

[balmy condor]

you cast vanish with deathmark

[red schooner]

I know I shouldn't but sometimes, as a treat, I try and maximise it

[balmy condor]

also sudden demise doesn't do jack shit on bosses

so

forget the talent exists

[golden loom]

until rookery boss shields in demise range

and ur a hero

[raw lake]

Okay, will try to play more or less the same than hybrid build then

thanks for info guys

[balmy condor]

yeh, play it like hybrid

but be more aggresive with bleeds

[subtle tundra]

yes you can rupture more in IC

and garrote

[raw lake]

Yeah i was applying more ruptures than hybrid tho

[balmy condor]

that's good

there's times in hybrid where you're like trying to cram in an extra envenom and you're like wow pog more envenom

forget that

and just refresh bleeds

you're still filling with envenom

but don't be stupid about it ya know

[frosty nebula]

does anyone know what wekaura or we have it here i saw on zerocoolx he has over garrote and rupture 1/4 mobs applyed

[balmy condor]

I have a scent of blood tracker in mine

[raw lake]

understood, I had really good overalls with bleed build just trying to optimise it

thank you

[balmy condor]

but that weakaura he has isn't really helpful

it's not important to know how many mobs there are for your bleeds

the goal isn't "bleed everything" cause then you're just gonna get stuck in an eternal cycle of bleeding everything 24/7 and you'll never envenom

[frosty nebula]

ohh

[balmy condor]

or you're bleeding tiny shitter adds that die in 5 seconds cause it's a 30 mob pull

but only 6 of the mobs actually have any health

like knowing the actual mob count

entire pointless

[ebon olive]

SO just use on Main Target until you cant ?=

[balmy condor]

you bleed until the big mobs have ruptures, you build cp with garrote, get CT up, press cds, blast envenoms

rinse repeat for 45 minutes

[balmy condor]

sure

[frosty nebula]

death mark be4 bleeds or after

[balmy condor]

some people will tell you that you have to mouseover and whatever or else you're losing 1 bleed

[ebon olive]

What about FOK in AOE?`DO we kinda spam for CP Builder ?

[balmy condor]

fok is your main generator yes

[balmy condor]

after

spread bleeds -> ct -> deathmark -> spam envenom

that's the cycle

and you repeat it in every pull on every target count in every dungeon

until you have a stroke and die

[frosty nebula]

and trying not to spam mutilate cuz we wanna be above 50% energy ?

[raw lake]

You don't envenom before DT? At least before KB it's mandatory no?

[balmy condor]

that's only in single target, you're drowning in energy in aoe

[balmy condor]

there's no reason to envenom before deathmark if you don't have kb

like that envenom doesn't do anything

[subtle tundra]

have you pushed more

you filth

[balmy condor]

no but I've had 3 outages this week

[raw lake]

envenom is only poison related

[subtle tundra]

haha id kill ymself

[balmy condor]

and I self benched on sprocket cause 3k ping

my ping is higher than my io

crazy work by comcast

[frosty nebula]

Whispyr thank you very much you just made me enjoy rogue even more ! very much thank you!

[balmy condor]

np

[keen tundra]

Do you guys run a different build in top? I'm looking for a forced induction m+ build but can't find anyone on it in murlok.io

[balmy condor]

you can, but generally it's the same

hybrid setups might be slightly better, but it's hard to tell

[subtle tundra]

hi whispyr can you do MDT sim

for every dungeon

say no

[balmy condor]

and every route, and every one of the 40 builds, accounting for gear swaps to fully min-max the secondaries for each one of the 40 builds?

[red schooner]

ye

[balmy condor]

ye ezpz, my calendar is pretty open for the next 3-5 years

I'll get right on that

[subtle tundra]

its weird cause in monk discord they will tell you to sim MDT but then tell you it literally doesnt work for the main build

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/mirror-image-gif-20448740

[red schooner]

sweet ty

[frosty nebula]

how much dps boost is there if i have monk and warr in grp?

[balmy condor]

like 6%?

[subtle tundra]

like 7-8%

[balmy condor]

yeh maybe more in bleed idk

they're each like 3-4%

[balmy condor]

that's crazy work

[keen tundra]

I cant see bleed build being good in higher top keys it's flaw is low count since bleed is bad in low, that's why I'm assuming forced induction build is the go to

[balmy condor]

yeh but it's also more single target and has the same prio

xav area is single target and then a 5 target with a prio

lich area is infinite aoe + a prio

and then like a couple low target with prio

[dreamy rover]

what

really

[balmy condor]

poison area is like 5 target, where they're mostly equal

[inner citrus]

how do i run droptimizer w/o it suggesting any embellishments?

[balmy condor]

like yes top is less in low target counts

[dreamy rover]

so my envenom uptime is IRRELEVANT on AOE bleed build shit?

[balmy condor]

but like

is it really

[keen tundra]

Ya but tbh how often do u chain pill in top that's why I'm thinking people drop vanish talents for forced

[subtle tundra]

if i had to guess, the main reason bleed is worse in low target count is that bleed wants to utilize IC bleed spreading a lot which it cant when theres 5 targets

[dreamy rover]

all it matters for is dmg?

[balmy condor]

your envenom uptime is irrelevant regardless in aoe but sure

[dreamy rover]

yhea true

[keen tundra]

There's like 2-3 chain pulls in top ?

Might be worth to drop

[balmy condor]

I mean it ain't even that deep, all the damage is in CT/bleeds, and you can't max out the target scaling on scent/ct

[dreamy rover]

oke guess i knew fucking nothing then

[balmy condor]

sure, subterfuge is still good though for MA

[dreamy rover]

i was MASHING my keyboard trying to get an envenom rolling after applying bleeds so my bleeds would do more dmg

https://tenor.com/view/bike-head-ding-ding-gif-14702293

[balmy condor]

yeah that's pretty dumb

you didn't catch the hint that enVENOM doesn't buff bleeds?

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-marvel-rage-antihero-gif-11732259

[dreamy rover]

crossed my mind right about now

[subtle tundra]

envenom?

[dreamy rover]

enbleeden inc when?

[red schooner]

When are we getting enbleedem as an ability

Cmon blizz

[balmy condor]

man when I cast frostbolt my fire damage isn't getting buffed

why is that

[dreamy rover]

me and discombobulatedgoat have great minds

[red schooner]

When are we getting exsanguinate back cmon blizz

[subtle tundra]

what about frostfire bolt?

[balmy condor]

shut up varas

[subtle tundra]

kinda work from blizz

[red schooner]

Our two collective braincells both activated

[balmy condor]

I appreciate the brief moment of lucidity

[grim jay]

Nah we will get exsang back

[balmy condor]

I will miss you two in about 5 minutes when the braincell moves on

[grim jay]

#pray

[balmy condor]

but I do cherish the brief fleeting moment we shared here today

[dreamy rover]

[subtle tundra]

i miss my 45sec exsang would've went crazy with current bleed build

[red schooner]

It's fine in another year I'll get custody of the Braincell back

And I shall cook once more

[grim jay]

I still miss legion prepatch exsang

It was glorious

[radiant raven]

braincells are overated. Orange cats do fine without them

[subtle tundra]

i was literally not born back then

[dreamy rover]

dude wasnt born during legion

pov 2017

pov youre 8y/o

[balmy condor]

that's cause they have other people taking care of them to make sure they don't just fucking die

but when I do that, I get told "guide is too long" and "you don't have io score"

[grim jay]

It was like.. Insane burst through bleeds. In pvp you couldnt even heal through it at all

[frosty nebula]

is curent assa best it ever was for m+?

[balmy condor]

meta wise

or just like

[radiant raven]

Yeah, but those are fools

[balmy condor]

design wise

[radiant raven]

Accept the pampering of the guide

[frosty nebula]

design

[balmy condor]

I think design wise assa is the best its been

[dreamy rover]

i want to know meta

when was it the pumpiest

[balmy condor]

meta wise amirdrassil it was way stronger

[subtle tundra]

season 1 bfa, first week

shrouded suffocation

[dreamy rover]

yhea it got played during fyrakk world 1st kill

[subtle tundra]

doing absolute dirty work

[radiant raven]

I really enjoy the bleed build. I didn't enjoy Assa in S1 but it's more fun now and I'm not sure why I enjoy it more now 'cos it's fundamentally the same. Maybe no KB windows?

[balmy condor]

yeah early bfa it was monstrous too

[grim jay]

@subtle tundra it made the bleeds tick 400% faster in the first iteration.

[dreamy rover]

i was playing sub back then, looked at assa and went "this shit is ass" and went back to my sub rogue

[balmy condor]

I mean that doesn't really mean much, assassination gets played on any fight with even a remotely important execute phase

fyrakk p3 was rough

[dreamy rover]

yhea

[balmy condor]

and you did insane work on golems in p2

[dreamy rover]

fyrakk was a REALLY hard boss dude

[subtle tundra]

raid meta has nothing to do with m+ meta

[dreamy rover]

imo hardest boss i've ever done prog on

ansurek is fine compared to fyrakk imo

[balmy condor]

and then caustic spatter exists

[inner citrus]

hello, how do i exclude items in droptimizer with embellishments and making droptimizer not put any embellishment on items?

[dreamy rover]

caustic is so good

[balmy condor]

you can't

[dreamy rover]

such a "cheap" talent pick and so good

[balmy condor]

droptimizer will sim all items in its category

[balmy condor]

too* good

[earnest remnant]

sub and assa have actually been outlawed

[dreamy rover]

please dont make them nerf spatter

[earnest remnant]

whispyr

[grim jay]

Droptimizer by default doesnt put embellishments on items

[earnest remnant]

now we face the same issues

[balmy condor]

they already did

[frosty nebula]

i think none knows that rogue brings poisons to the grp , lower dmg take

[dreamy rover]

the "fix" was a nerf?

[subtle tundra]

everyone knows

and its literally irrelevant

[balmy condor]

it went from 45% to 40% in season 1

[dreamy rover]

tbh i wasnt aware of how it worked before this fix

[dreamy rover]

ah that sucks

but also makes sense

[subtle tundra]

shouldve been 35%

[frosty nebula]

so why is rogue good to have in grp ? just dmg?

[balmy condor]

yep

[earnest remnant]

adding bladeflurry like effects

is a big mitake

[normal mist]

Hi guys, cleared the raid yesterday in normal (first clear), I have purple logs with 636, I'm still a god clearly

[grim jay]

They should make them better fr

[subtle tundra]

well there are cases where atrophic is important and good

[balmy condor]

I will proceed to call you a slur for not having mythic gallywix killed yet

[subtle tundra]

in world first keys

[radiant raven]

nice

[subtle tundra]

i've depleted keys cause i wasnt atrophic poison btw, last season