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#assassination
balmy condor
what the hell are you talking about dude
haughty flicker
solid pilot
ill show an article later
ember mural
solid pilot
just a funny comparision of where polish people are right now
balmy condor
I
solid pilot
with our current leadership
balmy condor
that's the definition of politics
haughty flicker
balmy condor
you were about to START?
balmy condor
based on the last 10 minutes, I don't think you think about anything before you hit enter
so
I'm gonna say 0 will
solid pilot
its just, being finally free can get to your head
but still
when I get the chance
ill visit us
atleast NY
haughty flicker
well i was certainly not expecting the last few minutes of chat
think thats my queue to just go sleep
cue
we
low thicket
Sleep? Must be nice.
balmy condor
it wasnt that bad
it was okay, until you started talking
and then it was really bad
sudden kelp
If you have 2 rogues in raid, would it be good for one to take atrophic and one numbing poison?
balmy condor
no, atrophic stacks, you both take atrophic
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> if I offended you somehow, im deeply sorry
just leave it
solid pilot
now i feel bad
snow hamlet
no, atrophic stacks, you both take atrophic
solar wyvern
Wait really? thought they nerfed that
solid pilot
btw I saw the buffed aug, will it be enough ?
hollow river
btw I saw the buffed aug, will it be enough ?
slim copper
M Vexie... same build as heroic?
balmy condor
yes
hidden bay
yes, bikes need 2 canisters
dapper cradle
Lmao I missed a banger convo
dapper cradle
no you didnt
Yeah I actually did
elfin flame
how would i run a sim but prevent the sim from using vanish
slim copper
may the ass gods watch over me in this fight against vexie
balmy condor
how would i run a sim but prevent the sim from using vanish
would have to remove it from the apl
solid pilot
<:No:1178408719176966296><a:NOSHOT:1137423060153143306><a:NOSHOT:113742306015314...
roger thta
haughty flicker
Yeah I actually did
it went from food to kanye very fast
elfin flame
would have to remove it from the apl
is that easy to do? im not familair with apl happenings
or well in other words what i want to do is sim different assa builds in m+ if we don't press vanish during cds
rotund oak
is that easy to do? im not familair with apl happenings
im not the best either but u can ask what u wanna replace/rewrite and it will work
fuu and whispyr should know
elfin flame
❤️ ty goat
balmy condor
the risk is if you just take vanish out, the sim might just explode cause it'll hold a bunch of other shit
dapper cradle
it went from food to kanye very fast
elfin flame
the risk is if you just take vanish out, the sim might just explode cause it'll ...
that would not be good
fathom cosmos
So im wanting to learn assassination rogue and it seems the wowhead mythic+ talent tree has changed, do i really not want to run kingsbane in m+? it seems pretty good to have
elfin flame
So im wanting to learn assassination rogue and it seems the wowhead mythic+ tale...
you can play it if you want, both kb and non-kb builds are viable in m+
spice surge
Its easier to play without for sure
hearty seal
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
- Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.
slim copper
that would not be good
why would you even want to sim without vanish?
hearty seal
current raid ST build doesn't really need to vanish for anything besides fucking up mark
that's probably it
spice surge
Or because you sometimes need to hold it for mechanics in high m+ to not die 
rotund oak
played my rogue after a month or so yday,i dont like that i dont have IW
i need to ditch somehting for it
ppl dont know how to kick
runic hinge
played my rogue after a month or so yday,i dont like that i dont have IW
can drop second shiv or sbs and doomblade for KB and ironwire which is what i do for keys i think i need it
toxic slate
is there a bleed single target build or no?
rotund oak
can drop second shiv or sbs and doomblade for KB and ironwire which is what i do...
i feel that ill be fine just with IW,its a group fuctional thingy
im getting the idea that ppl dont have interrupt in their bars
pisses me off
tried couple of keys yday the other two dps had 4 interrupts together
less dmg
that me as well
like wtf are ppl doing,join a key and go afk?
fleet pagoda
once your .io gets caught up maybe you can sacrifice it for damage. i just had a 13 Priory with a combined 112 interrupts, and that's just by way of details tracking
and that's not even a "high" key
little tulip
i asked and ret interrupt is 18 seconds; boomie/lock is 30 outside solar beam
rotund oak
yeah ik,im in 14 range on my mage
little tulip
i think hunter is 20???
rotund oak
i jsut dont like when ppl dgaf for interupts
i wanna jump out of their screen and slap them
fleet pagoda
yeah it's annoying
if you want to sign up for a real adventure, make a healer late in the season and pug +8's and 9's. it's unreal lol
fleet pagoda
taking a healer with an interrupt is cheating 
fleet pagoda
yeah understandable. no need to meander in hell
rotund oak
distant plinth
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hot pasture
fatebound rotation has any special thing?
earnest remnant
elfin flame
with haste increasing our bleed tick rate, does that imply the duration of our bleeds become shorter with more haste?
runic hinge
Bleed duration unchanged. More ticks per bleed
elfin flame
noted ty
runic hinge
Real
idle vine
i feel like my ST dps is so low now with bleed build. im maintaining all dots and casting CDs appropriately. Anyone else experiencing this?
warm vortex
Assassination st in keys is Dogshit
balmy condor
are you saying it's low cause it's low or are you saying it's low cause it's doing less than hybrid
cause if it's the first, yeah it be like that
if its the second then dunno they basically do the same, bleed usually a tiny bit more
idle vine
idk in kingsbane build against a training dummy id be around 1.3/1.4 mil and now I'm like 1.1/1.2 in bleed build
normal mist
2 months before patch 11.1
can you now understand how long i havnet played?! xD
balmy condor
idk in kingsbane build against a training dummy id be around 1.3/1.4 mil and now...
are you getting to execute range?
idle vine
Are you putting CT on
yes
warm vortex
can you now understand how long i havnet played?! xD
True true
idle vine
are you getting to execute range?
no
balmy condor
problem solved
warm vortex
That's why
idle vine
ah yeah fair
warm vortex
can you now understand how long i havnet played?! xD
But yea i still don't have the stupid korthia pants
So rn im just magging on my har
normal mist
But yea i still don't have the stupid korthia pants
Soon
warm vortex
Yep!
Maybe a week or so
also tried MM
It's eh
Not my style
But explosive shot go B A N G
runic hinge
I had a sudden demise for almost 28 million tonight
balmy condor
did quake tell you about our key
balmy condor
warm vortex
Also th9inking of giving fury a shot tbf
runic hinge
did quake tell you about our key
Yeah I heard you were double vanishing at the end of packs
normal mist
But yea i still don't have the stupid korthia pants
aight done with the isle i assume
dapper halo
so, how do you play around with sudden demise then
put a 7pt rupture to something thats below 35%?
also when spreading rupture in m+, can you do it all from one target or do i need to change targets, does it spread autotically from one target
runic hinge
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
spice surge
so, how do you play around with sudden demise then
Typically you dont really, atleast not in the sense that youre asking for
For example a full entire rupture with demise does about the same damage envenom does with 1 spatter target (ie 2 targets total)
And thats assuming youre not overwriting any of your previous rupture duration
The post from whispyr above is moreso him trying to play around it for the memes rather than it being the fully 100% optimal play
glacial relic
dapper halo
o.O
fading stump
the wa for crimson? in bleed build?
exotic shuttle
On longer AOE pulls, how do you guys track rupture to know when to start switching target to reapply? Do you have a good WA for that?
limber lion
Good plater profile
And most of it becomes a feel-thing anyways
After doing it for so long
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exotic shuttle
Thx, might benefit from getting a scent of blood tracker until I get a feel for it then
static glacier
Ok if caustic is that low you’ve Gota test ib
balmy condor
Ok if caustic is that low you’ve Gota test ib
I mean it was a 10
and it was a darkflame
sudden demise pad goes crazy in there
if I were doing like a +5 then sure yeah 
spice surge
Bleedpilled demisemaxxer
subtle tundra
i like how other classes get their bad hero talents buffed
but god forbid theyd touch fatebound or something
spice surge
Ye its really strange that there was no rogue changes
bright tartan
I’m surprised they didn’t fix some other outlaw bug nerfing spec further
red schooner
Ye its really strange that there was no rogue changes
I just open patch notes expecting nothing at this point
Hope is a bastard, just expect nothing and you either get the satisfaction of being right or a pleasant surprise
craggy crater
!wa
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static glacier
Ye its really strange that there was no rogue changes
Imagine dn working on BP
Holy
subtle tundra
Ye its really strange that there was no rogue changes
i will interpret it as rogue getting hero talent reworks
spice surge
i will interpret it as rogue getting hero talent reworks
That is one of the interpretations of all time
static glacier
Honestly the fixes don’t have to be elaborate
Just let DS sub not feel like shit in multitarget and make dn have some more value considering sub lacks spatter
Fatebound sin is a tuning thing really, needs to be a damage increase on multitarget instead of being wack
balmy condor
I mean fatebound is really easy to just go "tuning issue :)"
but there's like
very deep-seated problems with it
like in order to make fatebond viable in m+, I don't think cold blood can ever be played
destiny defined has to be good
but poisons suck, so what is destiny defined doing
warm vortex
Also IMO the idea behind fatebound could be cool but like
In reality it's coing flips n shit
Like they could be doing much cooling things with the whole fate concept
balmy condor
like the hero talent just fundamentally is not really synergizing
static glacier
Up the numbers on DD enough and it is good
balmy condor
yeah except then it's insano value in raids
static glacier
I know you might think I’m smirking etc while saying that but I’m being genuine
Just tune up and down the numbers til it functions
subtle tundra
well idk why for some classes whenever one of their herotalents is worse it gets attention
static glacier
I don’t think it’s too far gone design wise
balmy condor
I mean you can't do that though
its value in aoe vs its value in single target
are entirely warped
subtle tundra
like warriors, you always see their hero talents get tuned for some fucking reason
shamans
static glacier
How about this
static glacier
They remove the fate intertwined 2 target limit and give it the same text as spatter
warm vortex
?
golden loom
Mountain thane is cooler than all rogue hero talents combined
static glacier
As in reduced beyond 5
balmy condor
warm vortex
They remove the fate intertwined 2 target limit and give it the same text as spa...
Oh
i thought you meant like
the exact same text
warm vortex
I was like "what the fuck is the point of spatter then"
static glacier
Nah we’re not trickster outlaw
balmy condor
that would still be anti-synergy with caustic though
neon lava
Is there a haste % that we're looking to hit for ST?
balmy condor
no
warm vortex
just sime your gear
But yea random side note, been playing Some L4D2 again lately
banger gane
It has so many tiny details that are incredible
Makes it feel much more alive
balmy condor
yeh I mean delivered doom can just remove the scaling that's easy
static glacier
Low-key I’d love for it to just be removed outright
30% more tails dam all the time might aswell be baked in
balmy condor
yeh would be chil
static glacier
And they can give a defensive node since tempted fate sucks
warm vortex
Also
Remind me
are the passive utility things from fatebound worse than deathstalker
cause doesn't deathstlaker make CoS also give physical and Eva give magic
Oh
Ok nevermind
You answered the question moe
warm vortex
Tbh simmilar thing with BM rn
With dark ranger, your exhil would also trigger survival of the fittest and vice versa
static glacier
i think the issue with pack leader is it reinforces the core buttons that reduce the cd of the pets
too much
warm vortex
with pack leader, you just have a thing where when you get low health you get a damage sheild
Meh
I personally like it a lot more than Dark ranger
plus
Much cooler than old pack leader
static glacier
sv litterally doesn't press killshot or explosive shot on st anymore
deviating from mongoose or kill command is too much of a loss
warm vortex
Bm doesn't press it at all lol
static glacier
similar case with bm
warm vortex
i wish i could un-talent it
But you can't
not like we need that extra hunter talent point
golden loom
Fatebound is carried hard by deal fate
static glacier
its litterally what made non 1 button specs in vanilla bad
balmy condor
deal fate isn't THAT crazy
balmy condor
it's neat but it's just kinda fine
golden loom
Idk compared to other hero talent points it seems insane
static glacier
would be cool if one of the cd talents gave you super high crit for a limited time
and moreso on generators
they really missed the high you get when you played fatebound in nw
last boss
come back up
5 cp mut > env >5 cp mut > env >5 cp mut > env >5 cp mut > env >5 cp mut > env >5 cp mut > env >5 cp mut > env >5 cp mut > env >5 cp mut > env >
dopamine
royal lantern
they really missed the high you get when you played fatebound in nw
you do WHAT
static glacier
bro I played this shit a lot
warm vortex
I feel sorry for whoever you played with
static glacier
nah I cranked
top overall all the time still
I admit its worse than ds
but it's not like in another stratosphere or anything
ur still playing sin
the part I miss most is extra crit on fok tbh
@balmy condor say deal fate's limiter is removed
does that break fatebound?
static glacier
6cp muts xd
blissful spire
!plater
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spice surge
Either way you'd need to redesign some of the fatebound nodes for it to make sense, same as with deathstalker for sub
So its not something thats easily done in a hotfix patch like this
amber brook
Read the pins but nothing really changes anyways right?
blissful spire
!tott
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
radiant raven
I come with a stupid question! Bleed build: we push Shiv once all bleeds are up to amp them, right? So once garrote / rup / tempest / (and I assume in AoE, spatter) are rolling we shiv to amp it all?
balmy condor
yes
radiant raven
Rad, thank you ❤️
balmy condor
it's just some action tracker weakaura idk
granite leaf
Details has a plugin automatically included in the base version
Called like streamer something
balmy condor
yeah but that would require using a details plugin
I'm not trying to give my pc aids
balmy condor
I mean yeah but that doesn't mean I turn it on
plater has a bunch of dumb shit too
cause details and plater are bloatware addons
granite leaf
Yeah
balmy condor
no reason to enable them in their dumb conquest of killing my framerate
brazen sluice
!log
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
granite leaf
do you use default UI with WAs?
brazen sluice
<:kekW:620386906634584095> do you use default UI with WAs?
i do
plater + Was and default ui
and ur good to go
brazen sluice
no reason to enable them in their dumb conquest of killing my framerate
if i wanna sim an add cleave fight such as stix or rik , do i just sim st with spatter on?
or dslice
brazen sluice
kk ty
balmy condor
<:kekW:620386906634584095> do you use default UI with WAs?
yeh, plater/wa/default
I try to avoid turning on anything bonus in details/plater unless I have to
radiant raven
Hell yeah default UI
granite leaf
That's fair. I would like the extra frames but I literally can't be bothered to configure the default UI and I'm too anal to leave it as default
digital spindle
are ppl running Imp Ambush over Tight Spender on bleed?
rotund oak
kinda sad though coz the man worked his ass for it
subtle tundra
getting 160fps in raids is nice
i really dont understand how people get shit fps when they have better PC than me
i have 0 fps issues in raid
and i always hear people complain
well i do understand why
they have bloated ass game with addons and was
balmy condor
yep 
balmy condor
are ppl running Imp Ambush over Tight Spender on bleed?
yes
digital spindle
damn i could have sworn i copied from wowhead 
thanks
balmy condor
np
digital spindle
no wonder my dps has been terrible /s
digital spindle
i have no idea how I missed that then, was just looking at a parse of a rogue much better than me (low bar) and saw imp ambush
granite leaf
well i do understand why
they have bloated ass game with addons and was
I deleted 30GB of random old config files from 2005-2008
digital spindle
must have been a fever dream
rotund oak
i blame the dubai chocolate im smashing
wild horizon
Hey,
Any particular advice for Sprocketmonger Mythic ?
static glacier
hold ur 2 mins til after the knock
dont send cds into the boss right as its gonna knock you xd
neat raptor
Does iron wire work in Subterfuge? (so like when you spam garrote with indiscriminate carnage you mass silence?
nova kelp
lol
static glacier
Does iron wire work in Subterfuge? (so like when you spam garrote with indiscrim...
yes
nova kelp
get ready to get super annoyed at your raid when they have 3 minute conversations after every pull about which circle was where first
neat raptor
@static glacier Ty
brazen sluice
any1 having this problem? my spatter isnt working , like it doesnt apply at the dungeon
wild horizon
Wrong poison most likely
brazen sluice
i got deadly and numing poison
spice surge
You likely either A. Dont have it specced or B. Not having the poisons/rupture up on your target when youre mutilating
sharp trellis
what are the stats for bleeding build m+ for crafting ? also for my 3 already craft item should i reforge them ? currently crit mastery
spice surge
It doesnt really matter
brazen sluice
You likely either A. Dont have it specced or B. Not having the poisons/rupture u...
had to go out of the dung respecc into cautic inorder for it to work . weird
solar wyvern
Don't be fooled
Did u log the key?
Check your damage break down and see if it says something like "instant poison"
I've also thought i had deadly and numbing on
timber meadow
when the pins say "use vanish during the cold blood" - what does that mean exactly? I assume in that case we put cold blood after kingsbane in our macro so it's not immediately consumed? otherwise if we put it before kingsbane then it'll be consumed before we can vanish
spice surge
Kingsbane cant consume cb
solar wyvern
Fatebound coldblood only works on the next 2 envenoms
So you Deathmark shiv Kb coldblood, build, vanish envenom, build envenom to get multiple double coins
ancient pendant
i have energy drink 665 and pacemaker
my crit is like 5578
haste 8598
mastery 20600
should i recraft necklace for crit mastery instead of haste mastery
and then change pacemaker for energy drink?
i just don't know if sims are correct, pacemaker sims to me lower than energy drink
neck is crit mastery and other 2 necks are haste mastery
timber meadow
Kingsbane cant consume cb
aight so we vanish directly after kb before any other damaging ability?
spice surge
Vanish when you have cb up
warm vortex
Is it morally correct to dump hallucinogens into my poisons so the enemies cast and do shit worse
Or nah
spice surge
So if you have it macroed to kb, then you could do it right after the kb, right after a builder, or right before the envenom, it doesnt matter
digital venture
Cinder 10. Am I garroting too little or are the spread damages fine?
timber meadow
Vanish when you have cb up
the tooltip says that any damaging abilty consumes it - the way you're saying that makes me think the tooltip is lying lol
otherwise the vanish would be super specific
spice surge
the tooltip says that *any* damaging abilty consumes it - the way you're saying ...
Read the tooltip of the fatebound talent
lethal heart
i really dont understand how people get shit fps when they have better PC than m...
i never ever had issues and then they told me to download some liquid weakaura package thats mandatory and it was shit
royal lantern
the tooltip says that *any* damaging abilty consumes it - the way you're saying ...
read fateblund talents
lethal heart
i just deleted 90% of the useless bloat weakauras and im back to good fps
delete weakauras
remove them from the game immediately
hearty reef
Fatblunt
royal lantern
remove them from the game immediately
or just dont be a bozo that downlaods ussules bloat all the time?
lethal heart
are you even reading what i wrote
spice surge
Well theres critical weakauras you need in those pack
Its just filled with tons of useless shit too
And its really annoying to shift out the trash
lethal heart
yes which is like 1 weakaura from 20 per boss 
and you dont know which ones might fuck everytinhg up till you actually play the boss
if you delete one of them
timber meadow
read fateblund talents
got it that makes a lot more sense now lol
lethal heart
massive respect to people like you ofc
tall atlas
!wa
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tall atlas
yeah but its good for now?
midnight mist
idk
tall atlas
ive not noticed any issues
midnight mist
i only played assa on mugzee, so it would work for this build
idk if new bleed builds are needing new trackers and shit
tall atlas
the only thing is like CT on 5+ targets is empowered but not really needing tracked per se
bitter whale
is there an easy way to find the mob you put death mark on in a big pull or is tab targeting 10 times until you land on it just part of the m+ experience
spice surge
Having a plater profile that highlights it helps
If you are tab targetting you could shift-tab until you get back to it
Or you could just not shift targets
And either tank the small efficiency loss or use mouseover macros
bitter whale
understood i shall simply spam garrote and rupture on my main target until its on everything because that sounds way more convenient and less annoying
bitter whale
i wish this bleed build was better in st because SO much more fun than KB
golden loom
i wish this bleed build was better in st because SO much more fun than KB
It is better in ST tho
spice surge
He probably meant for raid
And I agree, would love to play something more about maintaining bleeds than envenom spam
But thats not how the cookie crumbles atm im afraid
timber meadow
you dont like playing envenom the spec?
bitter whale
honestly might just keep playing outlaw in raid and sin in m+
like seeing a 10 mil envenoms kinda neat but its a lot more fun playing the bleed build
timber meadow
yeah i agree i was mostly joking 🙂
bitter whale
remember in DF when sin didnt even take tempest and just spattered kb for m+
god that sucked
real pike
i wish this bleed build was better in st because SO much more fun than KB
Think I'm the only person that preferred the KB build in keys lol
eager pond
So, this means VV can do less depending of your char? Again simfiesta 
royal lantern
i honestly dont understand how bleed is more fun in ST
its "press kingsbane every 60sevonds" vs "keep CT running"
thats the only difference lol
royal lantern
So, this means VV can do less depending of your char? Again simfiesta <:garf_sit...
yes, just sim them
blazing pumice
cuz ambush animation looks pumper
bitter whale
idk something about dot gameplay just feels nice
red schooner
I like dots
Spec that gives me more dots to maintain
fun
Spec with less dots? Less fun
idk i'm a simple man
eager pond
Because KB is not bleed
CT is another bleed
Bleed all the way
bitter whale
like ive got a weird obsession with poison and daggers in rpgs but something about kingsbane just doesnt vibe with me
eager pond
But ye, at ST you will envenom more than at multi
Just it means more envenoms or less because refresh CT 
static glacier
like ive got a weird obsession with poison and daggers in rpgs but something abo...
its just a press and forget tbh
not like you really need to do anything special other than shiv
feral mortar
Why there are so many rogue in Blitzbg who just stay afk and dont Participate now? Started Playing again and after 10 Games i hab 4 of them-.-
static glacier
Why there are so many rogue in Blitzbg who just stay afk and dont Participate no...
bitter whale
its just a press and forget tbh
i think its because its press and forget that i dont like it
static glacier
well it's not really press and forget, you do try and fill all ur globals inside it
wet ruin
how does something like crimson tempest work with the square root scaling after 5 targets, is it that you apply a strong CT on 5 targets and then the other targets take a smaller dot or is it equal on all targets
feral mortar
<#226359213427916800>
oh yea my bad can u delete?
static glacier
and you should pool a few secs before
static glacier
oh yea my bad can u delete?
it's np man, just go to pvp for future pvp talk
digital spindle
no more missing my mark target
bitter whale
yea but fiilling all your globals inside of it is more about shiv than the kb
static glacier
both benefit, either way yeah they've underpowered kingsbane a bit too much atm
bitter whale
ima need that setting
static glacier
you woulda preferred sin right after the rework
kingsbane was nuclear
we did everything to juice it, tea, shadow dance etc
golden loom
i honestly dont understand how bleed is more fun in ST
its "press kingsbane eve...
bleed has our most fun talent, blindside
stable cove
Does anyone know what % of envenoms damage is the initial hit vs the applied dot?
static glacier
even timing the branch trinket buff
static glacier
Does anyone know what % of envenoms damage is the initial hit vs the applied dot...
envenom doesn't apply a dot
royal lantern
Does anyone know what % of envenoms damage is the initial hit vs the applied dot...
dot?
stable cove
Doesn’t it do damage over time after cast
bitter whale
the application increase?
spice surge
i honestly dont understand how bleed is more fun in ST
its "press kingsbane eve...
Well its moreso the fact that a build like the dungeon bleed build is more versatile, can move around shiv depending on where it needs damage, can do damage do adds that needs to die (like rik barrels) and in general just be more versatile than current raid build which cant do anything besides hitting the boss
static glacier
i honestly dont understand how bleed is more fun in ST
its "press kingsbane eve...
Bleed is more fun in st bc blindside xd
It’s dumb but true
That dopamine from chain ambush procs
royal lantern
Bleed is more fun in st bc blindside xd
but you have that in raid
golden loom
and raid ST is more fun than M+ ST
static glacier
I was under the impression we were comparing bleed to hybrid in m+
red schooner
but you have that in raid
yeah but bleed build isn't competing against raid build
royal lantern
it was about raid st
red schooner
bleed build is competing against hybrid
bitter whale
i feel likes also a bit of a balanced amount of swapping from rupture CT and envenom vs just always pressing envenom in ST
static glacier
Wait wha
golden loom
I mean noone plays bleed in raid tho
red schooner
I mean noone plays bleed in raid tho
me once when i got summoned in and forgot to swap specs cos i'm a dumbfuck
bitter whale
yea bleed is really bad in raid
static glacier
So you mean hypothetically if we had a build that kept ct in st in raid
Vs kingsbane?
royal lantern
ye, that was the main "discussion" there
static glacier
Just depends if you prefer an extra plate to spin vs kingsbane maxing
I will say having ct be optimal for st in raid would help out our viability / power
spice surge
how does something like crimson tempest work with the square root scaling after ...
Its actually soft capped at 8 not 5
But its like this:
- 8 targets is 100 * 8 = 800 total damage
- 10 targets is 100 * (10 * sqrt(8/10)) ~= 894
Im fairly sure its equally spread, atleast things like spatter is
royal lantern
I will say having ct be optimal for st in raid would help out our viability / po...
i mean, if CT is optimal for raid ST, Something is REALLY fucked in numbers
static glacier
i mean, if CT is optimal for raid ST, Something is REALLY fucked in numbers
The glory that was st butchery for sv last raid was unhinged
bitter whale
what about something like stix or gally with a lot of ads
static glacier
That kinda shit makes you good at precisely what sin sucks at
royal lantern
like, CT allready is overtuned and its desing makes it obvious that its not really supposed to be used in ST
static glacier
Which is doing good st and aoe at the same time
bitter whale
drop like bone spike and doom for CT?
static glacier
We have to pay a lot of opportunity cost if we want any more aoe than spatter and ap
royal lantern
what about something like stix or gally with a lot of ads
stix its valid cus its more Boss dmg when adds regulary reach melee camp
gally? nah lol
static glacier
Imagine if we could take ct and sudden demise in optimal raid build
Would absolutely crank all adds
hearty reef
!mistakes
bitter whale
fuck it sudden demise in stix because i ficking hate those god damn crabs
hearty reef
o/
wet ruin
Im fairly sure its equally spread, atleast things like spatter is
right so if its equal damage then you can gimping yourself (a little bit) with doing a CT with a bunch of small adds that die instantly
royal lantern
fuck it sudden demise in stix because i ficking hate those god damn crabs
tbh, the important part of cra mb dmg is above 80%
after that they die inside the cleave Blender anyway
bitter whale
yea but you see i have an irrational hatred of bombshell crabs so ill do whatever it takes for them to die faster
hearty reef
right so if its equal damage then you can gimping yourself (a little bit) with d...
Why tho? If it's never less dmg than the softcapped one?
candid nacelle
Yooo, from #3 dps to #1 in group with bleed build, thanks ❤️
bitter whale
they die instantly if you Roll inside them
im going to find you
wet ruin
Why tho? If it's never less dmg than the softcapped one?
if its equal damage then its less damage per target, more overall
spice surge
right so if its equal damage then you can gimping yourself (a little bit) with d...
Ye if you only look at CT
bitter whale
ik it wont be as good but been fucking around with sims and best bleed build i can get for raid is like 250k behind KB
spice surge
But singular focus makes up for most of it
wet ruin
really?
with something like the affix balls
where you press CT and then they get dispelled instantly
timber meadow
are there any min/maxes you can do around the vanish during cold blood+dm?
cedar hatch
what is good overall for priory key lvl around 12?
trying out assa for first time this season and it feels hella stron
i thought it sucks
spice surge
No assa is incredibly strong
cedar hatch
is this normal for priory then?
solar wyvern
Looks about right for a 12
cedar hatch
ok fuck unh then im back on assa
solar wyvern
Truth
lean plover
Assa will be closer to unh on reset
cedar hatch
what about this bleed build?
lean plover
Its like a 4%¿? overall nerf to uh
cedar hatch
is this better then normal?
hearty reef
No way bro
cedar hatch
Its like a 4%¿? overall nerf to uh
i heard its abotu 2%
spice surge
Its like a 4%¿? overall nerf to uh
More like 2%
hearty reef
That nerf is token
spice surge
Its because theyve seen the clips of somebody getting perfect procs and doing 50m on first pull priory
For that specific pull its way more than a 2% nerf, but to the overall of the dungeon its not a whole lot from what ive gathered
cedar hatch
if you are lucky guy it can be more than 2% if you are unlucky it can be less
lean plover
No i dont care about clips, just saw on acherus that it was 20% nerf to bloodbeast, i always see that as like 15-20% overall when i do keys with dks
cedar hatch
ur lucky 😉
lean plover
Eh maybe
i probably dont remember the keys where the dk had 0 procs
i do remember the top where the dk dismised pet after xav
and forgot to sumon a new one 🙂
solar wyvern
Based into oof
lean plover
Yed i remember it like it was yesterday
in fact, it was yesterday
ans we somehow timed it
timber meadow
are there any additional min maxes to consider other than vanishing at any point during coldblood+dm?
solar wyvern
As fatebound? Probably not really.
gusty mirage
fatebound assa is a bold risk
timber meadow
why is that
gusty mirage
I personally hate the gameplay loop
solar wyvern
My favorite part of fatebound assa is my opener being a 50% chance to be 7% agility or cursed
cedar hatch
My favorite part of fatebound assa is my opener being a 50% chance to be 7% agil...
fun
neat raptor
Is it possible to do Bleed build in +15s and if yes what dungeons
neat raptor
Arent you missing like a ton of ST
cerulean walrus
Arent you missing like a ton of ST
Hybrid build ST is still pretty bad
Might as well not kneecap your AoE
eager pond
And blindside gives serotonine when procs twice or more in a row
slim copper
fuck it sudden demise in stix because i ficking hate those god damn crabs
dont get me started on those Mak'rura Clackers in Durotar. It's on sight with those. I'll kill a whole generation of them for what they did to me in Classic HC
cerulean walrus
slim copper
I was leveling as a good little orc, minding my own business when i die to a clacker. I was shocked. And then it dawned on me. I was underwater. I had run out of breathe. 🤦♂️
you guys will never understand how much stupidity like that hurts.
Great. Now the rogue discord is gonna think I’m weird haha
austere basin
now playing with the bleed build in aoe i have barely any problems but in ST (mainly bosses) i struggle hard and im not sure what im doing wrong im trying to keep all my bleeds up and i use deathmark on cd with shiv's but i have a lot of energy issues and lack dmg
slim copper
I’m no expert but I always have issues with energy when I don’t have the replenishment from the conquering of my lesser foes.
hollow river
now playing with the bleed build in aoe i have barely any problems but in ST (ma...
thats just assa in general in m+ ST
austere basin
shouldnt my boss dmg be higher though
(+14)
hollow river
possibly
slim copper
What do you sim at? But generally I want to say yes
austere basin
i do have eye of kezan but im not sure how well its in m+
in a vid of Whispyr he said that its not that good in m+ but since most tanks chainpull should i still consider it?
spice surge
If you can have it stacked its insane, if you dont its bad
So only way to tell is to have your runs logged and check your uptime yourself and decide if its worth or not
But generally its hard to get good value without your group playing around it
clear shell
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static glacier
i do have eye of kezan but im not sure how well its in m+
in a vid of Whispyr he...
eye of kezan sucks dick in m+
especially for us since we like dropping combat
for other specs that would never want to drop combat its workable
austere basin
well i think dropping combat is not needed with "without a Trace" you can have a lot of chainpulls and restealth with vanish and jump at the new pack
in high keys i mean
sonic schooner
if your tank let your restealth then you re either in low key so doesnt matter, or it s depleto and doesnt matter either
high walrus
austere basin
most packs take arround 1min 30 at least and 2 charges is more then enough for pretty much the whole dungeon
there are scenarios wher its a bit meh
like first bl pull where you just want to put more dots or get them to sudden demise range
sonic schooner
the cool point about bleed build is that since caustic and envenom are such clown disguises, it s not even a big deal to chain a pack without a vanish and just dot one by one them all
not like you re gona chain a 10 mob pack into a 20 mob pack, that never happen
bright tartan
most packs take arround 1min 30 at least and 2 charges is more then enough for p...
isn't 1 of these charges reserved for deathmark
austere basin
well i only save one for bosses and ussualy you can restealth normaly for them
but yes
and i play arround my comp in the sence of if i have strong St dps in my group then i "care less" about my St and focus on the trash
since bleed is so good for it
waxen oyster
You ever pug and wonder what the rest of the group is doing
agile wedge
in a raidsituation, would you ever spare your shiv for this after deathmark darkest night hit and use it for this? or just regular 2 charges per KB
red schooner
in a raidsituation, would you ever spare your shiv for this after deathmark dark...
Spare your shiv for what? Normally it'd be 2 shivs in deathmark/kingsbane window, 1 shiv in the lingering darkness/darkest night combo for the big envenom, then 1 shiv for the solo kingsbane and repeat
red schooner
Unless it doesn't line up with the lingering/darkest night which happens sometimes at which point you'd use two shivs on solo kingsbane
agile wedge
in the solo kb window most likely last 8 secs then to shiv?
shell crater
!rik
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Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtletly.
red schooner
in the solo kb window most likely last 8 secs then to shiv?
Yeah, shivless first 8, shiv latter half
shell crater
So, question on rik, even if I just focus boss is it worth just dropping a rupture on one of the near barrels just for an energy top up?
coral ibex
only if it lives for 8s or more
red schooner
So, question on rik, even if I just focus boss is it worth just dropping a ruptu...
I think the break even point is if the target lives longer than 8 seconds then it's worth it
coral ibex
otherwise its a waste of energy
red schooner
Otherwise it's better to just keep cycling your mark on main target and spatter
vapid sierra
in hybrid in m+
do i want one garrote on prio target and 5ish ruptures around the pack
frosty nebula
zerocoolex has weakaura on rupture and garrote , every time hes in aoe with mobs it says 1/8 example. Does anyone knows what weakaura that is ?
lunar sonnet
!fok
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
prisma monolithBOT
Corrupt the Blood/Rupture Bug
Corrupt the blood can jump to mobs that are out of combat when the rupture-afflicted target changes from harmful to non-harmful
This is repeatable with mind control, but is most common on the third boss of Grim Batol when skipping the two elites before the boss.
You can avoid it by being EXTREMELY careful to not target anything when your target shifts, but otherwise not much to be done. Just be careful and aware as it is a niche bug that should not happen frequently
vapid sierra
does ambush also apply caustic
vapid sierra
too lazy to read it
golden loom
nah tooltip is scuffed
spice surge
It also applies if you have amplifying
worldly nebula
is VV only worse in sims or actually; im a little confused by the post
coral ibex
did u kill sprocket or was it 3 hours of all pain no gain?
the HOUSE OF PAIN
we go again tomorrow night
golden loom
ouch
shell crater
Right
red schooner
nah tooltip is scuffed
One day tooltips in this game will work
golden loom
we have 11 ranged
agile wedge
in raidsituations, do we still care about envenombuffuptime? like chaining blabla?
golden loom
so I guess we need 2 or 3 deaths? to get melee drills
coral ibex
we dont have enough players to swap out melee and ranged per boss
we just have to play it as it lies
golden loom
you guys have like 2x of all specs
golden loom
you will catch me in molten core before I am playing a ranged class in world of warcraft
willow wren
do you play vv or ma on mugzee
golden loom
all that matters is execute so surely VV cranks
willow wren
viscid spear
!up
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dawn seal
is add damage on rik
pure rng
cuz I just got kicked from a pug due to me not hard swaping to adds
mighty vine
!rik
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Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtletly.
royal lantern
!richard
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red schooner
cuz I just got kicked from a pug due to me not hard swaping to adds
On mythic? Are pugs doing mythic Rik now?
royal lantern
they probably try
static glacier
On mythic? Are pugs doing mythic Rik now?
some do yeah
radiant raven
Yeah, 2/8M is puggable (but painful) and a few groups are trying to do rik first before cauldron
static glacier
my guildies pug 3/8 weekly
issue is you just need selfless people who will hardfocus barrels
dim mural
issue is you just need selfless people who will hardfocus barrels
but muh logs
radiant raven
logs in pugs are hilarious
static glacier
any idea how to sim with extra energy refunds
trying to judge what build to play for bandit
red schooner
you get to meet the most confusing people
but i could just not pug and not meet said people
my guild confuses me enough
radiant raven
but i could just not pug and not meet said people
Haha, valid
I did a Mythix Vexie pug this morning and it only took us 2 pulls. But we had some interestings people regardless.
static glacier
I think ill stick to vv, I suspect imp gar ma doesn't benefit at all from extra energy while vv will
swift roost
Why is my darkest night disappearing every now and then on boss fights with adds?
red schooner
Why is my darkest night disappearing every now and then on boss fights with adds...
depends on the boss. Sometimes the boss doesn't class as 'dying' so it doesn't trigger darkest night
haughty flicker
I did a Mythix Vexie pug this morning and it only took us 2 pulls. But we had so...
i tried to pug mythic last week and uh
it was not fun lmao
but that was me joining groups not making my own
radiant raven
i tried to pug mythic last week and uh
Vexie should be fine if the raid lead explains how to do it with the ~pug tactic~
If they don't then it's never dying lmao
haughty flicker
pretty sure the raid leader didnt even know how to do it
a bunch of them were 5/8h lmao
radiant raven
Quite common haha
wet roost
guys is it worth switching from sub to the new assasination build now in M+ ? Currently doing 14s but i feel sub dmg is lackluster and doesnt scale well the higher keys you do
humble cradle
I mean I’m 5/8h and I can do mythic vexie easily, my pug group tho…
Had a group wipe last night as vexie was popping out of the car/tank thing, Heartbreaker
radiant raven
Had a group wipe last night as vexie was popping out of the car/tank thing, Hear...
damn, tragedy
radiant raven
I mean I’m 5/8h and I can do mythic vexie easily, my pug group tho…
ye, def. My trick is to have people write a mythic change ot the fight in their note to join my groups
warm vortex
that stinky spunkjunker mount is mine \o/
radiant raven
it works so well. You might go "Well, they'd just open the journal and write it from there" but aha! they've looked in the journal!
humble cradle
Yeah last tick of the aoe before tank died killed almost everyone. I was alive with like 1 mil health and he one shot me. If evasion was off cd maybe doable
cerulean walrus
Stix my Bunk in her Junker
humble cradle
it works so well. You might go "Well, they'd just open the journal and write it ...
True! It’s really pretty easy if you just watch a video
swift roost
depends on the boss. Sometimes the boss doesn't class as 'dying' so it doesn't t...
It seems to happen awfully often on ric reverb, but also on vexie, bunkjunker, bandit, mugg and gally
It happens usually when switching back to the boss, and noticing that my hero talent is once again gone😅
radiant raven
True! It’s really pretty easy if you just watch a video
Yeah! It's a super chill fight.
quaint flare
but that was me joining groups not making my own
the tech is to do carnage first and vexie second
so u dont get a fucked lockout
if the pug chimps it
radiant raven
Yeah, that's a really good idea
It's what I'm planning to do once I start trying to do 2/8M's
viscid spear
That's all eight 10's timed 
royal lantern
gz
red schooner
not even close
bright tartan
It’s literally the same except no kb
viscid spear
not even close
It literally would not have been if the tank wasn't gunning down both I'pa and Benk's hallways like a madman, leaving the healer struggling to keep us up.
12 deaths
Never a full wipe
mossy sundial
fatebound simming 2% better for sprocket 
time to learn
eager pond
On my char DS still sims higher than fatebound 
haughty flicker
i already know im gonna be stuck on sprocket for a while so im gonna play both just to mix it up lmao
inland escarp
Im a simpleton and like to get hype over flipping the same coin for a while
I played it some in NP lol
ebon olive
SO i assume you would be entertained by a letter with " Please turn around" on both sides 😉 😛
warm vortex
fatebound simming 2% better for sprocket <:gatodespair:1184665345508773918> time...
What do you mean learn
Isn't it just the exact same but you macro CB to somethignb
haughty flicker
time for coinmaxxing
royal lantern
mfs say that as if fatebound is not literally rng based 
mossy sundial
What do you mean learn
yea
mossy sundial
macro cb to kb and press vanish during cb
scarlet orbit
!fok
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
charred obsidian
fok
grim jay
fatebound simming 2% better for sprocket <:gatodespair:1184665345508773918> time...
would need to be atleast 5% to be worth considering
hard flicker
should i have no issue with keepiong the envenom buff on boss, i feel like im losing it from time to time when having to refresh dots
runic hinge
In what context
hard flicker
2nd boss Rookery, playing the bleed build
hard flicker
oh ok good to know
spice surge
Keep bleeds up and use darkest night
static glacier
did the rupture sniping conditions get updated yet
hard flicker
Keep bleeds up and use darkest night <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
including crimson tempest right?
spice surge
yeeees
warm vortex
Envenom is irrelevant when playing bleed
Wait so for ST do you not just press enven in Mythic
No way that's right? Or am i misinformed by my own brain
earnest remnant
u just reading it wrong
royal lantern
Wait so for ST do you not just press enven in Mythic
No way that's right? Or am ...
its m+
graceful solstice
You still press it. He just means trying to maximize the buff uptime on it is irrelevant
dreamy rover
LE LISONNA TYVM YOUR AURAS ARE AMAZING
warm vortex
Ohhh
sage basin
You press it but, it isn’t the priority to chain the envenom buff over maintaining bleeds
upper wraith
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warm vortex
Akak don't play rogue
vapid sierra
we want 6-8 bleeds up in aoe (gar and rupture combined) right
grim jay
we want 5 rupture for scent
vapid sierra
one garrote on main target?
so one gar 5 rupture for scent?
im assuming i wanna try and maintain this even out of ic
shy axle
"Macro cold blood to kingsbane. Use vanish during the cold blood in deathmark." Isnt colb blood just crit on your next env? how can i vanish during cb then
hollow river
"Macro cold blood to kingsbane. Use vanish during the cold blood in deathmark." ...
i think they meant kb not cb
for the vanish
shy axle
so just normal vanish for the crit the last x seconds of kb ?
or does it mean use cb -> vanish -> finisher
haughty flicker
kb+cb>envenom>vanish>envenom
shy axle
thank you
elder dome
"Macro cold blood to kingsbane. Use vanish during the cold blood in deathmark." ...
one of the hero talents makes it work on your next 2 envenoms
that is the window people are referring to
haughty flicker
cb causes the first envenom to match whatever coin you flipped previously, then vanish causes the second envenom to flip that coin twice
so it increases your odds of getting 7 of the same in your opener
wild cipher
oi oi oi, so i have bis rings equipped including cyrce's but im simming higher dps by like 100m with a myth ring, is that normal?
10m* lmao
wait
100k xd jesus
shy axle
i see, so one flip from the cb1 env, then i vasnih and cb2 env has a double effect, or just a normal effect
haughty flicker
it'll flip twice yeah
and bc of cb both of those flips will match the previous one
dawn seal
how bad is parsing blue
hollow river
oi oi oi, so i have bis rings equipped including cyrce's but im simming higher d...
double check u have the correct gems in circlet
dawn seal
AAAAA how big of skill issues do I have idk its driving me insane
shy axle
ok ty for the explanation
wild cipher
double check u have the correct gems in circlet
I do
dawn seal
dawn seal
I feel like I am fucking up too much
haughty flicker
You’re supposed to tunnel boss on every fight if you can get away with it
wild cipher
link sim?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/31hwCsAAKBe1TETozBWdyA Lol ok nvm, enchants were changing it xd
min max MAXIMUM
misty holly
macro cb to kb and press vanish during cb
What is the point of that if CB only applies to envenom anyways for fatebound?
haughty flicker
It’s just because you’d press it there anyway
So just macro it to kb for efficiency
fast folio
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
haughty flicker
Big blutroter sturm
ebon olive
Any sense in Tap target in m plus ?
royal lantern
Big blutroter sturm
blutroter sturm is what happens when i got to the toilet
haughty flicker
blutroter sturm is what happens when i got to the toilet
surreal aurora
When you aren't running "improved garrote" how are you using vanish?
haughty flicker
for fun
royal lantern
When you aren't running "improved garrote" how are you using vanish?
no offensive cd then
haughty flicker
without ma and imp gar (so vv raid build) vanish isnt a dps button
you just use it if you drop mark somehow or to troll fixates
surreal aurora
Alright! Thank you!
dapper cradle
without ma and imp gar (so vv raid build) vanish isnt a dps button
Is bel short for bellend?
haughty flicker
Is bel short for bellend?
no its short for dn
dapper cradle
no its short for dn
Bellend 
haughty flicker
shy axle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p1Rquu1bFBHkd49ku8fP3W damn, would not have thought its that big of a difference
ebon notch
anyone have the weakaura where it shows a number for how many ruptures are up in a pack?
shy axle
yes i just like it the most, but idk if i am trippin regarding the helmet color. Could have sworn it was lighter back then, black now
haughty flicker
i just wish i had the shoulders tbh
dawn seal
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtletly.
sacred schooner
gz, i run normal back as well since 1s sprint > stats :x
normal mist
@royal lantern imma raid normal today for the first time. Tldr what do I need to know that changed besides talent builds? Asking for a friend
(I am the friend)
UwU
haughty flicker
uwu
sacred schooner
well it was sarcasm
royal lantern
<@346293680883236864> imma raid normal today for the first time. Tldr what do I ...
nothing really in gameplay in raids
IB only on sprocket, everything else is spatter
sacred schooner
careful not to drop mark since some bosses aoe like ansurek
normal mist
nothing really in gameplay in raids
Fair enough, sounds easy.
sacred schooner
like first one
radiant raven
hell yeah, raiding
haughty flicker
also oab cant be moved into spatter range so can go ib on that fight
normal mist
A healer irl friend will join me to try and boost me with gear too
misty holly
<@346293680883236864> imma raid normal today for the first time. Tldr what do I ...
Normal is pretty easy I think you will do fine!
normal mist
I honestly just need to do the fight once, then I can parse my 99s
First tier in 5(?) years I've kinda skipped
haughty flicker
you were almost free
misty holly
Watch the stankiegaming youtube guides so you know all the mechanics.
haughty flicker
what changed
radiant raven
Are you pugging it?
normal mist
MH wilds patch... I've finished it in the first 5 hours
Now I've nothing to do again
normal mist
Are you pugging it?
Yes
normal mist
My guild's other rogue joked "yo royal, it ain't fair that you sub during the week we get curve man"
Ahahaha
royal lantern
@normal mist ye wait, 1 special thing
first boss you can not use DM on pull and just send a solo KB instead, cus you will have DM+KB for the dmg amp intermission then
worldly bridge
hey do u mess with ur opener on stix ?
It feels like there is not enough GCD before sorting if i do it properly
normal mist
<@256188402116984832> ye wait, 1 special thing
first boss you can not use DM on...
Believe me or not, that's the only boss I saw the fight ah yeah gotta wait for DMG amp
royal lantern
dmg amp happens like, at 1:20 ish iirc
radiant raven
Ye, sounds right for normal
misty holly
hey do u mess with ur opener on stix ?
Just hope you don't get picked for sorting. Its too long a wait to hold
radiant raven
Since it's 4 plate stacks
worldly bridge
Just hope you don't get picked for sorting. Its too long a wait to hold
im just sending CDs before the envenom but it might be dumb
that way if im picked im still okay
cosmic sundial
hey quick question, with the bleed build i know you wanna crimson tempest in st, but is it the case for the "regular" build ?