how can nibren be the best rogue in na when im the best rogue in na
#assassination
haughty flicker
sacred schooner
oce and na same grp lol
blazing pumice
I don't want to be bunched in with na ty
blazing pumice
i'm usually in top 10 for most seasons
idk about this season, not really finding a group
and even though i have title i can't get in anything past 12s
makes sense to me
unborn fulcrum
rogue gets invites lol
waxen oyster
pugging is your first mistake
haughty flicker
invite dn
spice spire
What’s dn?
waxen oyster
i can see the merit of playing with friends for title
feels like a goal reached as friends
m+ puggers are worse than league solo queuers
lavish wing
can someone explain this a bit, does this mean I cant compare 5 min Patchwerk between assa, sub or fdk?
blazing pumice
yes
haughty flicker
different apl writers do things differently
waxen oyster
heres a secret hack
verbal lance
bleed build in wowhead has caustic spatter? do i just switch with internal bleeding?
lavish wing
but apl is based on what we suppose to do in practice, no?
waxen oyster
to outdps your frost dk friends
haughty flicker
some pump every single robot optimization they can into sims
blazing pumice
bleed build in wowhead has caustic spatter? do i just switch with internal bleed...
definitely not
haughty flicker
because bigger number better
waxen oyster
tricks them on pull
blazing pumice
internal bleeding sux
haughty flicker
even if you dont realistically do all of those .1% optimizations
verbal lance
definitely not
whats the difference in bleed vs hybrid? just no kingsbane?
haughty flicker
also even if you could accurately compare st patchwerk sims across specs, its useless information because there are no st patchwerk fights
blazing pumice
yes
blazing pumice
no double poison either
waxen oyster
on every boss
spice spire
whats the difference in bleed vs hybrid? just no kingsbane?
Slight rotation difference (sending shiv on cd)
verbal lance
aight ty guys, and what poisons do i want in m+? deadly +?
lavish wing
also even if you *could* accurately compare st patchwerk sims across specs, its ...
i mean Im aware of variance Patchwerk vs reality
lavish wing
i just wasnt sure why 3 patchwerk sims cant be compared
waxen oyster
because find a real 5 min patchwerk encounter
strange sleet
Do any of u know if it's possible to get the stats my character has in the raidbots top gear? Because depending in the order I equip my items, the windsinger gem (cyrce's) gives me different stats. And I don't know what the sim wants me to have.
haughty flicker
made by different people with different goals and different philosophies on how to do what they're doing
haughty flicker
i always reroll
waxen oyster
i swear people dont take solutions in front of them
haughty flicker
imagine not playing the spec that sims highest in st patchwerk
waxen oyster
they dont want solutions
digital stirrup
because find a real 5 min patchwerk encounter
Never heard of the most popular raid boss and aoe encounter? People are killing them all the time, target dummies 
waxen oyster
Never heard of the most popular raid boss and aoe encounter? People are killing ...
idk i use a dummy to practice a spec
thats about it
lavish wing
isnt like Lock n Stock close to Patchwerk if u dont have any mechanical duties 😄
haughty flicker
for melee basically
shell crater
I do wonder what our best horrific vision enchant is gonna be
haughty flicker
but its a lot of movement with ranged
waxen oyster
yeah one boss out of 8
lavish wing
hell, every boss is patchwerk if u ignore raid calls xD
waxen oyster
I do wonder what our best horrific vision enchant is gonna be
Why do you act like people are going to do anything but annoy whispyr until he posts the sims for this
and then people will still ask
haughty flicker
im going to annoy whispyr until he posts sims then use twilight dev anyway
waxen oyster
5 minutes after its pinned
haughty flicker
because beam cool
shell crater
xD
verbal lance
no double poison either
which poison do i want to run with bleed? deadly + crippling?
hollow river
everything hes got is correct
blazing pumice
the non-lethal depends on the situation
for anything that isn't a high key, numbing
hollow river
afaik
blazing pumice
crippling if you need the slow
verbal lance
crippling if you need the slow
appreciate ur answers, ty!
hollow river
nvm something looks weird
lavish wing
but im sub so
blissful pumice
With bleed build do i use Tempest in ST?
sacred schooner
yes
blissful pumice
and I have to stay above 50% Energie?
sacred schooner
it is super minor gain, not worth the effort
blissful pumice
If i have to maintain 3 bleeds, be above 50% and chain envenoms i wont be able to do all 3 i think xD
waxen oyster
but chat
haughty flicker
not like we have anything else to do in st
blissful pumice
you dont chain envenom, envenom does almost no damage
ok so i just keep the blees up and envenom if i have nothin to do?
sacred schooner
i mean if you can withstand 3apm you can try to pool
i cant hold myself to wait so i dont 😄
waxen oyster
its in the guide
lavish wing
f*ck pooling
waxen oyster
literally just read
lavish wing
imagine add dying while u pool
brazen mulch
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lavish wing
there goes ur overall
granite leaf
I'm a ret main, if I have a spender I press it
sacred schooner
we are talking about st, what add you are talking about? 😄
lavish wing
its 2am cut me some slack
balmy condor
The hell is going on in here
sacred schooner
people asking questions you answer on wowhead
lavish wing
The hell is going on in here
we all respecing to fdk
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
fdk isnt gonna be better than unholy
lavish wing
LIES
waxen oyster
all the dk mains i know laughing at bloodbeast “nerf”
haughty flicker
fdk is more based than unholy
balmy condor
Okay but 1H or 2H frost
lavish wing
FDK IS ONE TRUE DK
lavish wing
no.
waxen oyster
fdk is for boomers who want to rp as arthas
haughty flicker
but i think oblit even goes 1h now tbh
waxen oyster
lets wheel you back into the nursing home grandpa
haughty flicker
good
lavish wing
lets wheel you back into the nursing home grandpa
NO KING RULES FOREVER MY SON
peak gaming
they added that cinematic so we can cry our eyes out and come back for loot
haughty flicker
lavish wing
https://tenor.com/view/i%E2%80%99m-37-i%E2%80%99m-not-old-monty-python-monty-pyt...
this hits too close to home 😄
waxen oyster
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male human ret paladin named xdeusvultx
royal lantern
also patchwerk sim is fucking worthless
Thats a take man lol
patchwerk sim is the raid sim cus its literally the most "normal" thing you can get if you wanna sim dmg against a single target
royal lantern
yeha
balmy condor
actual number is whatever
Understood, implementing sim-perfect gcd execution for 0.1% number go up
hollow river
In the context of comparing different specs his take is sorta correct
balmy condor
Trickz what’s a hot take you have
haughty flicker
the moon landing is real
balmy condor
Everyone has a hot take
royal lantern
Do I even have any
idk, bring up food from your country and somebody will tell you its bad
hollow river
all my takes are perfect idk
balmy condor
idk, bring up food from your country and somebody will tell you its bad
He’s American, that’s cheating
sudden kelp
Can you sim writhing armor banding effect on raidbots? I couldn't see how to do that. I simmed the crafted boots are a slight upgrade, but not sure if the banding is a big effect. I have the dark moon ascension on my main hand crafted.
haughty flicker
baja blast isnt even good
balmy condor
all my takes are perfect idk
Now THATS a hot take
lavish wing
so basically u tellin me that the fact my assa sims on Patchwerk at 2.185M and my sub 2.26M, I have no way of tellin which one will be better in similar scenario oooor I misunderstood smth?
royal lantern
Can you sim writhing armor banding effect on raidbots? I couldn't see how to do ...
ofc
it literally just doubles the effect, why should that not be in sims
haughty flicker
Can you sim writhing armor banding effect on raidbots? I couldn't see how to do ...
click the plus on the boots and it'll let you add an embellishment
hollow river
when have i ever said a hot take though
royal lantern
so basically u tellin me that the fact my assa sims on Patchwerk at 2.185M and m...
yes
you dont use sims to compare the numbers
blazing pumice
if you could use sim to compare, then we would know what the meta is going to be at the start of season
balmy condor
when have i ever said a hot take though
okay fine you win
hidden bay
flawless logic 
hollow river
exsang was poggers
royal lantern
if you could use sim to compare, then we would know what the meta is going to be...
if we could do that, outlaw would be the meta rogue spec for like 10years now
hollow river
royal lantern
exsang was poggers
that made me angry in an instant 
haughty flicker
royal lantern
exsang haters when legion exsang shows up:
lavish wing
I still have the feel we talk about the difference between patchwerk and reality instead of why cant i compare 3 patcwerk sims... but maybe im just too tired
yes I fully understand that difference in fight mechanics affect real numbers, e.g. downtime that fucks up both sub and outlaw etc
blazing pumice
sims are internally valid, they can be compared within themselves, they can't be compared externally
royal lantern
^
you use sims to optimize your gear and check the overall roughly best talent combinations for you
not to check "which spec is better and does more dmg"
haughty flicker
11
desert crest
How da fak are assa rogues doing so good dmg on sprocket? Is assa rogue st dmg somehow good compared to other rogue specs?
waxen oyster
assa st is good
fleet pagoda
execute stronk
haughty flicker
ok but feral druid is ahead of us
iron vapor
How da fak are assa rogues doing so good dmg on sprocket? Is assa rogue st dmg s...
Below 35% things get... Interesting
desert crest
Why would execute be strong on sprocket?
fleet pagoda
because he has health between 0% and 35% 
lavish wing
its strong everywhere
iron vapor
Execute is strong everywhere
iron vapor
But you can maintain 100% uptime on sprocket
desert crest
is that so good
compated to other rogues specs sadly yes
lavish wing
thank god no more "boss dies on 50%"
desert crest
sub is a bit tragic on that fight though
exactly
lavish wing
sub is a bit tragic on that fight though
"on that fight" 😄
haughty flicker
"on that fight" 😄
i have no sympathy for sub after the rik incident
the rikcident
desert crest
Just looks to me like assa rogue is doing better than patchwerk dmg on this fight but maybe u all just have mad gear
lavish wing
im just waiting to kill Rik so i can respec
iron vapor
Don't think about where the spec is on the fight though, think where YOU are on the fight
lavish wing
im usually close to boss
royal lantern
How da fak are assa rogues doing so good dmg on sprocket? Is assa rogue st dmg s...
when assa does high dmg, the answer is probs "dmg windows and fight timer allings good with CDs and execute"
when sub does high dmg, the answer is probs "dmg windows and fight timers alling good with cds, and it has stuff that needs to be burst down quickly/it has dmg amps"
when outlaw does high dmg, something is really fucked
iron vapor
Because there's very little point looking at the distribution for the top 0.001% of players, you're likely not in that pool of people
iron vapor
You might be, but I know I'm not
haughty flicker
i mean some specs are better on some fights regardless of your skill level
i parsed a 19 as sub on our first rik kill and was infinitely more useful for prog than sin was for what my guild needed
press cds on barrels and win gg
iron vapor
Don't think about where the spec is on the fight though, think where YOU are on ...
yep
royal lantern
mfs look at them when there is 2000 other things you should look at first
haughty flicker
https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-1554039870773993...
i got it to 42 this week
lavish wing
i stand corrected
iron vapor
Did the boss die though?
iron vapor
I read what you wrote, if you're being a pedant
lavish wing
no he got 19 parse while boss is still jumping around live and well
tough trail
thoughts on the bleed build in m+? tried few dungeons now, I think it fkn slaps!
desert crest
It is very good yeah
lavish wing
thoughts on the bleed build in m+? tried few dungeons now, I think it fkn slaps!
u think well
prisma monolithBOT
lavish wing
so do u guys spatter on barrels 😄
desert crest
No we secret technique
lavish wing
cant be bothered
iron vapor
iron vapor
There's a lot of typing happening there, it's either a long message or a very well edited one.
desert crest
lol
lavish wing
he's about to end our careers
iron vapor
Or a cat on a keyboard.
lavish wing
suspense is killing
iron vapor
I'm going with the cat
desert crest
We need a countdown
lavish wing
Ive seen anime ending with less suspense
this is equal to 3-episode KAA-MEE-HAAA-MEEE
iron vapor
Maximum troll, typing one character and deleting it for 10 mins, final message is "LOL, skill issue"
lavish wing
short pine
what is parsing
lavish wing
what is parsing
a curse
iron vapor
The quest for orange.
desert crest
lul gold
iron vapor
And the disappointment of green.
haughty flicker
parsing is what you do when you're waiting 30 pulls for timmy to learn the mechanic so you can kill the boss
lavish wing
and then u die
desert crest
parsing is getting 20 sec pull timer so u have 5 sec of roten on pull as sub
haughty flicker
yeah then the kill pull you fall off the arena or something
iron vapor
yeah then the kill pull you fall off the arena or something
That's my excuse.
lavish wing
got stunned by the rollers in the fire on Stix
haughty flicker
first gally kill i fell down the hole in the middle sprinting to get rid of a bomb
short pine
none of those are answers i want yall to know that…
haughty flicker
ranged are unethical
iron vapor
They're all answers, just not good ones
haughty flicker
none of those are answers i want yall to know that…
parses are just a comparison of your damage to everyone else of your spec that have killed the boss
lavish wing
i had great parse on mugzee untill i went alone to jail
short pine
parses are just a comparison of your damage to everyone else of your spec that h...
that’s beautiful how do i do this
iron vapor
i had great parse on mugzee untill i went alone to jail
Think yourself lucky you get to play wow in jail, most people just have to play hide the soap
hollow river
do i smell a new pin cooking?
sudden kelp
click the plus on the boots and it'll let you add an embellishment
When I select the embellishment it says it can't generate a combination with that item. How can I fix that? It says to select items in other slots that share the unique equipped of this item. I have the crafted stabber in the sim with ascendance.
hollow river
haughty flicker
its either a new pin or multiple paragraphs calling one of us a dumbass
iron vapor
Don't do it. Just be happy with not knowing.
balmy condor
I still have the feel we talk about the difference between patchwerk and reality...
the easiest way to explain this that I know of is with an analogy.
Imagine that I'm a curious little guy, and you're the owner of an apple orchard. You grow thousands upon thousands of apples on your orchard, as far as the eye can see. Some are green apples, some are red, you have different types of apples.
I come up to you one day and I say "hey, how much does an apple weigh?". This is essentially what happens every time you ask raidbots what's "better'. So you as the farmer go "ah man, that's a great question, let me find out for you", and you go get every single apple off your orchard, you farm tens of thousands of the things, in all shapes and sizes, you weigh them one by one, each apple you weigh getting you close and closer to the true average weight of one of your apples. Finally after weeks you come back to me with a number, I'm ecstatic. I have found the number I have been searching for.
But across the street, there's also an orchard. Instead of apples however, they have an enormous amount of pears. Pears are very similar to apples, they're from the same family as apples, similar colors, they have similar taste. So I think to myself, hm. How much does the average pear weigh? So I go to that orchard, I have them count tens of thousands of pears, weigh them all, average it out. I wait patiently and receive my number. Pears are 2% heavier than Apples! I am once again happy, the Pears are heavier and so surely they must be better, they must be juicier and tastier.
In that moment my own mortality catches up to me, I'm so hungry, and as I pass out, my organs shutting down as I travel to the afterlife, it dawns on me. All I needed was a fucking fruit.
haughty flicker
huge
lavish wing
oh shit
iron vapor
I expected more.
lavish wing
apple weigh?
hollow river
When I select the embellishment it says it can't generate a combination with tha...
do you have another embellishment on another item?
haughty flicker
When I select the embellishment it says it can't generate a combination with tha...
do you already have 2 embellishments
iron vapor
What about oranges though?
balmy condor
we don't talk about boomkins here
hollow river
druids? ew
iron vapor
And if I were an orange, should I change target to the barrels on Rik?
short pine
and open pandoras box
will do when on ty
sudden kelp
do you already have 2 embellishments
Oh it must be my neck, I have something on that.. Thank you!
lavish wing
ppfft ppl in those orchards suck in statistics
iron vapor
You're an awful person.
royal lantern
the easiest way to explain this that I know of is with an analogy.
Imagine that...
so i learned from this
dont compare apples and oranges, but apples and pear are fine to compare
desert crest
Clearly the answer is simply that we need to measure the juciyness of fruits
lavish wing
answer was 42 aall along
desert crest
then we will finaly understand that patchwerk describes sprocket perfectly
haughty flicker
comparing fruits is ok as long as you use a lower sample size
so you dont die before you get your result
cerulean walrus
https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-dance-starfall-dancing-moonkin-gif-20256106
Disgusting get out of here
lavish wing
so are assa and sub different orchards or dfifferent trees in the same orchard
desert crest
Ngl ai is kinda missing the point
lavish wing
short pine
Ngl ai is kinda missing the point
i’m saying what about the oranges
cerulean walrus
so are assa and sub different orchards or dfifferent trees in the same orchard
One does nothing outside of cd windows. The other does a little less nothing outside of CD windows
haughty flicker
dude just got basilisked
imagine speaking out against the robot overlords before the robot overlords exist
iron vapor
The robot overlord precursors are listening.
short pine
ai cooked lowkey
desert crest
Can't believe we all sat in waiting in anticipation of the coming whisper message and all we got was that the weight of pears is dissimmilar to apples and that this does not mean that pears are better
cerulean walrus
Can't believe we all sat in waiting in anticipation of the coming whisper messag...
the easiest way to explain this that I know of is with an analogy.
Imagine that I'm a curious little guy, and you're the owner of an apple orchard. You grow thousands upon thousands of apples on your orchard, as far as the eye can see. Some are green apples, some are red, you have different types of apples.
I come up to you one day and I say "hey, how much does an apple weigh?". This is essentially what happens every time you ask raidbots what's "better'. So you as the farmer go "ah man, that's a great question, let me find out for you", and you go get every single apple off your orchard, you farm tens of thousands of the things, in all shapes and sizes, you weigh them one by one, each apple you weigh getting you close and closer to the true average weight of one of your apples. Finally after weeks you come back to me with a number, I'm ecstatic. I have found the number I have been searching for.
But across the street, there's also an orchard. Instead of apples however, they have an enormous amount of pears. Pears are very similar to apples, they're from the same family as apples, similar colors, they have similar taste. So I think to myself, hm. How much does the average pear weigh? So I go to that orchard, I have them count tens of thousands of pears, weigh them all, average it out. I wait patiently and receive my number. Pears are 2% heavier than Apples! I am once again happy, the Pears are heavier and so surely they must be better, they must be juicier and tastier.
In that moment my own mortality catches up to me, I'm so hungry, and as I pass out, my organs shutting down as I travel to the afterlife, it dawns on me. All I needed was a fucking fruit.
short pine
i’m thinking like i have to min max the fuck outta my damage to outdps the people i wanna outdps but like nobodies perfect if they are the better spec and they know what their doing im cooked..
haughty flicker
also til pears and apples belong to the same family
short pine
how do i beat a feral 8 ilvls above me
desert crest
get 8 ilvls on the feral
lavish wing
how do i beat a feral 8 ilvls above me
trick him so he dies on pull
iron vapor
how do i beat a feral 8 ilvls above me
Get 8 more ilvl and break his stupid cat fingers.
cerulean walrus
@balmy condor alright yeah apples and pears and all that jazz. But do apples let me restealth between packs in M+?
iron vapor
Tricks of the trade, aggro some adds onto him.
short pine
ur right…
lavish wing
convoke into release spirit
so ferals have their own killing spree
short pine
i should do that… he deserves it for being higher then me on the charts
lavish wing
Tricks of the trade, aggro some adds onto him.
thats what i just said
short pine
but they would brez in a heartbeat cause he’s always #1 on our boards and that just makes me more angry..
iron vapor
Congratulations?
short pine
is it possible to even outdps
cerulean walrus
?????
iron vapor
It's always possible.
lavish wing
btwe how u not outdps feral
cerulean walrus
Brother idk if I’ve ever lost to a feral
desert crest
Tricks of the trade, aggro some adds onto him.
We generate zero threat tho
iron vapor
We generate zero threat tho
It was not a serious proposition
Tuck your literalism away for a moment
lavish wing
We generate zero threat tho
ninjapul 😄
desert crest
ninjapull might work true
royal lantern
ninjapul 😄
if you ninja pull, you get clapped anyway and threat is your last problem
lavish wing
cheat death
desert crest
Not if u pull from ranged tho
lavish wing
know from some weird experiences
cerulean walrus
Sick poison knife
waxen oyster
If you ninjapull with tricks up should be fine
desert crest
poison knife feral top of threat table in melee dies
royal lantern
used to do that on fyrak to kill boomies
fake
you cant ninjapull for boomies, they pull at 4 seconds pulltimer with wrath by themself
nice try buddy, make up a better story next time
haughty flicker
me when i need to cast wrath twice prepull but i cant count
waxen oyster
oh true
haughty flicker
.7 cast time x2 = first cast at 7s left on pull timer
waxen oyster
me when i need to cast wrath twice prepull but i cant count
is this why boomies always pull early
royal lantern
is this why boomies always pull early
yes
haughty flicker
yes
you wnat to wrath twice so you start in eclipse
but they start casting way too early
and from not far enough away
haughty flicker
gromnak my spirit animal
royal lantern
they want wrath 2x at the beginning of a fight
wrath flies kinda slow, so they can precast
and because boomies are fucking braindead apes, they tuurn "its fyling slow" into "its flying slow, so i must do my 0,8sec cast at 6seconds pulltimer lol"
drifting cloud
Not even people
but also people
waxen oyster
gromnak my spirit animal
whatcha pushin bud
haughty flicker
MUH PUSH KEY
cerulean walrus
MUH PUSH KEY
MUH PUSH WEEK
haughty flicker
yeah i messed up
cerulean walrus
Get pushed outta the fucking guild
haughty flicker
idk how i can recover
hidden bay
Ngl ai is kinda missing the point
i am kinda bad with paint and such stuff but this should be enough
royal lantern
Get pushed outta the fucking guild
anyway hey can i get a summon
sleek cairn
O the reason they pull early is because they forget to remove their dream state buff that buff the cast time by 40%
coral ibex
Get pushed outta the fucking guild
whatchu pushin bud
waxen oyster
low thicket
pushin p
static glacier
thoughts on simming 6-7m patchwerk for bandit
spice spire
thoughts on simming 6-7m patchwerk for bandit
Fine if you’re progging and it’s realistically your time spent
It’s good info for if kezan is worth especially
static glacier
yeah thats what im trying to judge
few logs use it but maybe they don't have one at hc ilvl or just go off 4-5m sims
static glacier
for sure yeah
waxen oyster
lowk happy i got myth pacemaker
static glacier
esp since our damage is backloaded
waxen oyster
like week 2
static glacier
first vault I was told to take kezan
didn't realise how mid it was compared to pacemaker til it was too late
haughty flicker
rip
celest sequoia
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static glacier
tbh it helps a lot on the most important fights
haughty flicker
yeah im trying to get one for mugzee
static glacier
also I think if you ever have non traditional fight timer cds
pacemaker loses some value
easiest example is stix sending cds 20s in and then you get bomb os you send at like 35
its doomed there
celest sequoia
out of the weak auras suggested is there one you all recommend? Just really trying to track garrote and rupture to be honest. I'm new to assassination and am just trying to get the timing down
static glacier
out of the weak auras suggested is there one you all recommend? Just really tryi...
they're all pretty decent, I like luxthos
id reccomend just going with stuff thats similar to what you have on main
celest sequoia
okay I appreciate the advice. I've played outlaw for awhile but I think I can do more as assassination I think outlaw has just gotten way to fast for me so i'm taking a whack at assassination
I enjoy it for M+ but I feel like i'm falling behind on ST in raid
coral ibex
that's just the spec
strange sleet
@balmy condor Do you know if I can get the "base" stats a specific set of gear has after "Top Gear" simulation is done? Because depending on the order I equip my items, Windsinger gem gives me different stats, and I don't know what the sim is simming
coral ibex
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
static glacier
I enjoy it for M+ but I feel like i'm falling behind on ST in raid
falling behind as OL or sin?
celest sequoia
as OL like my parses just aren't great in raid no matter how I slice it so i'm seeing if I can do more output giving assassination a try for the first time in years
lone lava
Does crit rate calculate into Sudden Demise execute?
static glacier
as OL like my parses just aren't great in raid no matter how I slice it so i'm s...
good luck, it can be tough to parse as OL
you should have an easier time as sin
humble verge
I'M AI WIT DA BRAIDS
WE LISTENING TO THIS NOW MANS
humble verge
THE GREATEST HOOK IN THE RAP GAME
humble verge
i still love this, so much
man, i remember when push week meant something
instead we just now have the most boring shit ever, no challenge
hollow river
man, i remember when push week meant something
the worst time ever?
humble verge
the worst time ever?
if you hated old m+, you aint NO GODDAMN WOW PLAYER
hollow river
if you don't feel challenged, push higher
celest sequoia
they're all pretty decent, I like luxthos
Man that weak aura alone really helps me conceptualize the rotation and buffs alot more. Thanks for suggesting that!
sonic schooner
IT S PUSH WEEK
static glacier
Man that weak aura alone really helps me conceptualize the rotation and buffs al...
np, its pretty customisable, check out the custom options tab for the auras
sonic schooner
me when i go into a necrotic skittish fortified week
me when i go necrotic inspired dos
sonic schooner
balmy condor
it'll tell you in the html report
sonic schooner
it was a really good affixe
humble verge
right after jaina
sonic schooner
Sap /sheep the inspired mob
humble verge
didnt even get CE
sonic schooner
play the pack 
humble verge
pains me to go double non CE in bfa
both in uldir and then back to back in BoD
honestly, maybe fortified bolstering raging might be worse than the other one i noted
strange sleet
it'll tell you in the html report
damn I'm trully blind, I can't find the html report
strange sleet
ooohhhh ok. It says report disabled for large simulations
I guess I have to sim with less options
ty so much
balmy condor
it also doesn't work with profilesets
so you'd have to quick sim the ones you're interested in
and then view the html from there
balmy condor
np
humble verge
you guys killed sprocket yet whisp
balmy condor
humble verge
wait is ur internet still crapping
pine cave
!cds
humble verge
ah
balmy condor
wait is ur internet still crapping
yes
coral ibex
this makes me feel less bad
static glacier
what's the quickest way to sim all crafted items with different stats
coral ibex
not much less but less
static glacier
im doing it in topgear but it will tell me to run multiple despite ticking require crest
balmy condor
what's the quickest way to sim all crafted items with different stats
probably the import from #tc-research
coral ibex
lots of ppl in my guild were convinced sprocket was gonna be sub 100 pulls
balmy condor
I try to avoid using that shit though it lags to hell
alternatively you can run crafted gear droptimizers
static glacier
probably the import from <#266712108861751296>
yeah been using it but its all like ]
balmy condor
in parralel
royal lantern
lots of ppl in my guild were convinced sprocket was gonna be sub 100 pulls
its always funny when people watch some world first guilds do stuff and go "yo this is easy lol"
every single tier
humble verge
this is my 2nd socket week in a row
static glacier
lots of ppl in my guild were convinced sprocket was gonna be sub 100 pulls
realistically it could be, sprocket isn't a super high bar it's just that everyone needs to meet it
skill variance in raidteams shows on fights that need everyone to be somewhat responsible
(im talking nerfed sprocket here)
100 pulls is fairly average for sprocket im pretty sure
humble verge
lots of ppl in my guild were convinced sprocket was gonna be sub 100 pulls
we literally had like a solid pull under 100
static glacier
humble verge
then HEALER STOOD ON THE LAST MINE FIELD AND WE GOT A DOUBLE
killed the raid
sadge
static glacier
depending on what you're good / bad at it could seem easy or hard
as a rogue I thought the fight was giga easy
haughty flicker
sprocketmonger lockenstock is such a good name btw
humble verge
the fight is giga easy for us
but also realizing how fucking good for some reason dragon is in that fight is crazy
static glacier
range have more to do but say learning later drills takes 1-3 fails
coral ibex
our prog is getting hard griefed by having not enough ranged
static glacier
yeah its rough
coral ibex
so if one dies its like 80% we get a melee drill
humble verge
im surprised
royal lantern
but also realizing how fucking good for some reason dragon is in that fight is c...
dev is tuned really high and they BUFFED it for some reason lol
modest zephyr
legit question - Does anyone have WA that plays a sound if the conditions for dry shiv come up? would be helpful new to spec to have an audible reminder
humble verge
i remember when assa was topping burst in ST
static glacier
but also realizing how fucking good for some reason dragon is in that fight is c...
best class for lockensprock is hunter im pretty sure
static glacier
friend of mine recently got r1 sv, r6 overall
2.8
unimaginable dps for sin
like in full bis you dont come close
static glacier
it always has
static glacier
its just a really good pi target
haughty flicker
not this giga though
royal lantern
friend of mine recently got r1 sv, r6 overall
everyone has that 1 survival main friend or that 1 survival guild mate huh
haughty flicker
like it was good
static glacier
they fixed the spearhead bug ye
static glacier
everyone has that 1 survival main friend or that 1 survival guild mate huh <:kek...
I play survival a bunch too
haughty flicker
also mm is pumping too on this fight
static glacier
been playing it as my main alt since sl s1
royal lantern
legit question - Does anyone have WA that plays a sound if the conditions for dr...
nah sorry
tbh, the "logic" is really just
first shiv after your cooldowns, you use it
static glacier
also mm is pumping too on this fight
MM is better than sv tbh
haughty flicker
dark ranger seems really good after the changes
balmy condor
nah sorry
tbh, the "logic" is really just
first shiv after your cooldowns, you...
that's simply not true
humble verge
then again, its better for him
since hes doing ALL the coins on bandit
actual chad
haughty flicker
its fun to meme on bm hunters but the ones that handle every mechanic possible are definitely gigachads
static glacier
since hes doing ALL the coins on bandit
yeah bm is pretty goated for it, I always do coins as hunter on that fight and opt for bm for it, otherwise ill mm or sv
balmy condor
legit question - Does anyone have WA that plays a sound if the conditions for dr...
I don't think there's a in-one wa when the conditions line up, but most should track the mark and lingering
so I would get used to paying attention to those
royal lantern
that's simply not true
huh
thats when the overlap happens, or is my 5am brain fried that much
balmy condor
mine puts them next to each other so it's kinda not bad
balmy condor
huh
thats when the overlap happens, or is my 5am brain fried that much
I mean "just use the first shiv after cds" is not how any of that works lmao
it doesn't automatically line up with darkest night
the entire point is that depending on your crit rng and where you are in the mark cycle
you can end up getting a shiv lined up with a darkest night
brazen token
does anyone experience frame drops during big pulls? I never experienced it while playing sub but after switching to asa a couple days ago i go down to <10 fps in like 10+ mob packs. i use luxthos' class weakauras and CauseseDB's addon/WA package
royal lantern
i kinda assumed the dn part was known tbh
coral ibex
do you have the old wa pack with the model for an energy bar
ashen scroll
is there some bug with coldblood? im using it with kb and its not being consumed
royal lantern
is there some bug with coldblood? im using it with kb and its not being consumed
read fatebound talents
balmy condor
you're assuming someone who explicitly said they're new and can't track stuff, just knows?
brazen token
i just re-imported the weakaura package
ashen scroll
read fatebound talents
ya thats fair, i havent used fatebound ever, only ds
ahh i seee
balmy condor
is there some bug with coldblood? im using it with kb and its not being consumed
we don't macro CB to kingsbane to have it trigger on kingsbane, we do it purely for the timing
ashen scroll
we don't macro CB to kingsbane to have it trigger on kingsbane, we do it purely ...
is it bad to macro it
balmy condor
no, the whole point is that we macro it
we macro it to kingsbane cause the timing adds up
static glacier
I remember not using it with kb on ansurek week 1 cus it lined up with tomb spawns, was just pad tbh
static glacier
6
royal lantern
I remember not using it with kb on ansurek week 1 cus it lined up with tomb spaw...
why where you playing fb on ansurek for padding
static glacier
ur drowning in crit
haughty flicker
balmy condor
I mean forget drowning in crit
static glacier
why where you playing fb on ansurek for padding <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
was just playing fb first week in general everywhere
balmy condor
he simmed it wrong
static glacier
I mean forget drowning in crit
inb4 some cursed 35k crit gearset
balmy condor
haughty flicker
haughty flicker
yeah no i uh
balmy condor
abomination
static glacier
i may have done some other sims wrong as well
internal bleeding m+ bleed build cmon
i want things to BLEEED
royal lantern
internal bleeding m+ bleed build cmon
for PRIORITY DMG man
haughty flicker
i shouldve just gone to sleep
static glacier
for PRIORITY DMG man
uniornically i remember IB doing ok dmg in ptr testing for s3 df
balmy condor
for PRIORITY DMG man
that's the next cook probably
static glacier
but it wasnt competitive to spatter
balmy condor
"bleed build caustic doesn't do anything, just go internal bleeding, so much more prio"
balmy condor
unironically I think swapping caustic for internal bleeding is less troll than the whole forced induction thing
royal lantern
that's the next cook probably
wait, wasnt "Overall dmg is the only thing that matters" the thing that comes after "boss dmg is the only thing that matters", cus we are there rn
or did "only utility matters" come first
static glacier
wait, wasnt "Overall dmg is the only thing that matters" the thing that comes af...
homie
my sv did 2.4m dps on a bunch of dungeon bosses
my rogue is a litteral rat
useless 1.4m dps lookin ass
pig
balmy condor
wait, wasnt "Overall dmg is the only thing that matters" the thing that comes af...
I mean if overall damage is the only thing that matters, we're back to math being correct again
static glacier
my fucking 655 enh does 1.8-2
royal lantern
my sv did 2.4m dps on a bunch of dungeon bosses
tbf, survival st is insane
static glacier
idk whats going on, just hitting numbers unimaginable on main
balmy condor
in a conversation of "how do I beat the timer", maximizing group overall dps is actually the correct thing
static glacier
tbf though they dont match sins overall
haughty flicker
you got cauldron ring?
no but i did have the wrong ring/neck on
third sims the charm
static glacier
no but i did have the wrong ring/neck on
if you wanna try and juice fb see if you can put out a high crit gearset for sims
it REALLY likes crit
strange sleet
@balmy condor last question. Is there a way to force the Windsinger to have a specific stat in the sim? Because in-game I can make the citrine to give me haste, and then equip a crit/vers neck which I think is more inline with the stats I should have (I'm simming for outlaw).
balmy condor
thewarwithin.windsingers_passive_stat
idk what you're cooking
it's sounding burnt
but god speed
haughty flicker
if you wanna try and juice fb see if you can put out a high crit gearset for sim...
best i can do is 2.1%
i'll pull it out when im 150 pulls into sprocket and want to tear my balls off
static glacier
only major downside is losing evasion dr
strange sleet
Second pic is what the sims says is better. First pic is windsinger haste + vers neck. WHich it doesn't sim by itsefl
static glacier
I really felt it on kyveza
balmy condor
yeah, gotta use the variable
tall atlas
yeah, gotta use the variable
did you sleep
balmy condor
yep
tall atlas
gdgd
strange sleet
Where am I supposed to place that variable?
balmy condor
should work fine in the custom apl
strange sleet
so do I just paste
thewarwithin.windsingers_passive_stat = haste
In the custom APL box or?
haughty flicker
obviously wiht mut and the fun stuff
balmy condor
ok so with fb its kingsbane+cb, evenom, vanish, envenom
yes
balmy condor
so do I just paste
thewarwithin.windsingers_passive_stat = haste
In the custom ...
yes
haughty flicker
okie good i read the picture correctly
strange sleet
Ok ty, I'll give it atry
haughty flicker
i was worried about my ability to tell what pictures mean after the talent debacle
balmy condor
rotation page is getting overhauled this weekend
buoyant herald
typical guide writer keeping secret rotas to themselves 😤
buoyant herald
lets keep the ad hominems to a minimum please
balmy condor
typical guide writer keeping secret rotas to themselves 😤
true (it's just reformatting to use new tool features)
buoyant herald
at least no rogue notes on blueposts ever means you don't need to update content daily
for a silver lining
haughty flicker
do delivered doom and fate intertwined see the gaol adds on mugzee
balmy condor
no
cunning needle
yellows in my chat
assi is just rogue-general after the first month of the season
haughty flicker
so could fatebound actually be ok on mugzee then i wonder
balmy condor
no
haughty flicker
idk how often bombs and shit are near him on mythic
oh
ok the constant fucking jingling between fatebound coins and tier set is too much
buoyant herald
assi is just rogue-general after the first month of the season
i play both, not changing colour every time i post 😛
haughty flicker
salmon gang rise
buoyant herald
but how
haughty flicker
wdym how
cunning needle
at least no rogue notes on blueposts ever means you don't need to update content...
you say that but pins have been updating pretty regularly over the last 2 weeks
despite 0 rogue changes
buoyant herald
you say that but pins have been updating pretty regularly over the last 2 weeks
yes thats pretty cool, but i understand keeping wowhead / IV up to date is quite the task for some specs
buoyant herald
just be born with a heart full of neutrality
so theres still time for me
haughty flicker
theres always time to embrace neutrality
although my bleed role kind of ruins that bit
balmy condor
despite 0 rogue changes
unironically if there were actual changes
like not just tuning numbers
I would not be able to keep up
there's so many thing to check and verify across so many builds
it just wouldn't be possible
sonic schooner
just need to delete ks and tune numbers up accross all specs 
royal lantern
just need to delete ks and tune numbers up accross all specs <:happy_holiday_pep...
no
keep ks and tune numbers across all specs down
haughty flicker
dreamy rover
haughty flicker
hardy rapids
<a:Glake:1357242207966466149>
cinder geode
Do any of yall have a macro for focus targeting whatever has deathstalkers mark on it?
for m+ just so you can spread bleeds and insta target the mark again
balmy condor
/target focus
stiff badger
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
blazing pumice
Do any of yall have a macro for focus targeting whatever has deathstalkers mark ...
do not manually switch targets
mouse over macro your bleeds or spam your main target with ic up
i have my plater set up to change nameplate colour if they have mark
solid pilot
so how's the upcoming enchant ?
heard its getting some buffs
since it was so weak xD
need to catch up, just left army tooday
balmy condor
they were <1% in value
and got a nearly 200% buff
they're all roughly the same now
they should end up being like 2-3%
low thicket
more stats... it always is
solid pilot
and always has been
well mby in legion it was kinda different
with those neck enchants xD
Whispyr, myth cleared?
balmy condor
not even close
haughty flicker
dont bring oj into this
balmy condor
guild has a 5% wipe on sprocket
balmy condor
wouldn't be much use mentioning a 5% wipe if we had killed it already
haughty flicker
the only thing downed is whispyrs internet connection
balmy condor
true
solid pilot
the eternal fight
Whispyr vs net
come to poland
we got fiber everywhere
xD
but srsly
balmy condor
I think I'd rather live in the woods
solid pilot
being in your spot
i would wish for those neighbours
to die of natural causes
xD
why do they block it anyway?
thats plain stupid
is it some kind of history monument type of building like in london ?
balmy condor
what
haughty flicker
solid pilot
😮
wait let me get this straight
you have to pay to get the fiber laid down etc ?
as in not in public money
balmy condor
I don't, but someone has to
solid pilot
there is a but
solid pilot
oh
well considering where you live, accounting logic
you got 10x more companys
that provide net
balmy condor
I do not
hidden bay
bro its the us
hidden bay
theres 2 providers
balmy condor
idk where you're just like
solid pilot
rly ? XD
balmy condor
pulling random shit out of your ass lmao
balmy condor
I have 2 providers and one of them won't let me stream
solid pilot
well thats a hit actually
when I was younger I always wanted to live in us
"country of freedom etc etc"
but you got even more gimmick taxes than we dco
coral ibex
not anymore and definitely not for internet
solid pilot
my only reason was your food
solid pilot
you want to die?
I ate food in army
nothing can kill me
wait
lemme show you
XD
balmy condor
yeah except a deep fried oreo
knotty nebula
I am finding myself getting a bit overwhelmed trying to sort through the different mobs to spend my rupture after I spread with IC.
How much effort should I be putting into tabbig/clicking around to spread. Cause then it gets a bit much trying to get back to whichever one has my DS mark too
balmy condor
just don't swap targets
solid pilot
balmy condor
what's wrong with that
solid pilot
this thing on left
is not possible to eat
XD
to this day we dont know
whats that is
and well
no salt
pepper
any shit like that
coz of UE
and some health mambo jumbo
balmy condor
I doubt it's full of corn syrup though
solid pilot
I doubt it's full of corn syrup though
no, but soy yes
so you will get the required ammount of protein
which actually doesnt mix so well
coz who knows what kind of gmo shit is that
damn I alwayts watched Man vs Food in tv and this food looked really delicious
and well, you eat a lot of cow meat
best meat
atleast thats what they make us think
solid pilot
yup XD
haughty flicker
lmao
haughty flicker
tbf there is good food in the us, its just the shit you buy from the grocery store is all terrible for you
solid pilot
I just dont get why you have to take debts
to go to college
for me thats actually stupid
to put so much trauma on a young man
or girl
but your well, collage it is yes?
balmy condor
because the ruling class in america is billionaires that have suppressed knowledge and information for decades now in order to remain in power
solid pilot
the last part of your schools shit
balmy condor
but that's a very deep problem
haughty flicker
its ok i joined the army to afford college and still ended up with debt 
low thicket
Easier to control when dumb and poor
balmy condor
yeh
solid pilot
ah yes
in poland there is just too many people
that were leading the country back in soviet eras
and they try to push things that worked then
strange sleet
bro, food in europe is great
balmy condor
america is basically just keep everyone dumb and poor, then turn them against all news, gaslight them into thinking you have the solution
solid pilot
Pierogi ❤️
balmy condor
and then seniors and ultra rich get richer off of it
they then give the money back to politicians, which then keep the status quo
and round and round we go
haughty flicker
solid pilot
yup
balmy condor
I mean, that is a racist talking point from conspiracy theorists, yes
haughty flicker
do they have space lasers in eu too
pure bridge
rough take
low thicket
Its the type of "conspiracy" that's used to make us fight eachother instead of putting our scopes on the rich
solid pilot
europe is just a fuckfest of racism
haughty flicker
balmy condor
we love reflection
solid pilot
Its the type of "conspiracy" that's used to make us fight eachother instead of p...
good point
low thicket
Humans reflect humans. Why do we need mirrors?
solid pilot
but one thing I have to say
balmy condor
okay chill
haughty flicker
why are we turning into kanye in chat
solid pilot
hidden bay
talking politics 
worst thing people do
balmy condor
what
haughty flicker
solid pilot
gentelmans dont talk about politics
pure bridge
Hey deflecting the converstion a bit. For fatebound, we are vanishing the last few seconds of the kingsbane in deathmark right? That what the pin means?
low thicket
Anyways. Where is the constant question of if bleed build is good in ST? Its been like 5 minutes and no one has asked.
solid pilot
and what type of girls they like
balmy condor
Hey deflecting the converstion a bit. For fatebound, we are vanishing the last f...
inside of cold blood
haughty flicker
Hey deflecting the converstion a bit. For fatebound, we are vanishing the last f...
kb+cb>envenom>vanish>envenom
spock
balmy condor
Fatebound is only for mythic spock ?
sprocket only
haughty flicker
balmy condor
doesn't really matter the difficulty
haughty flicker
time to play fatebound on normal rik
solid pilot
mine finally died
and as A captain i can finally leave the ship XD
btw funny thing i remembered
about us etc
balmy condor
please don't
solid pilot
polish weapon industrry