can someone reword the guide and post it here for me?
#assassination
polar rampart
bleak sun
Hey mates do we ct in single target with bleed build?
royal lantern
you only envenom when all bleeds+CT are allready running
bleak sun
So we pooling again ?
polar rampart
and you are perfect just the way you are
short pine
no..
elfin valley
~~Im trying to understand the "Use vanish during the cold blood in deathmark", is that just meaning hold vanish for 2m and use after you kingsbane if its macroed? ~~ I retract my former statement i didnt understand inveitabile end existed
cosmic sundial
hey! i'm new to assa rogue and i m currently playing the bleedbuild, and i was wondering about vanish, is it good to use it when you have deathmark available (and master assassin) or should i keep it for long pulls ?
void relic
keep one charge for bosses, use the rest on cd
frank trench
i use it to start big pulls
cosmic sundial
keep one charge for bosses, use the rest on cd
okay i see thanks !
void relic
night elf racial could be good too on packs
frank trench
if my tank didnt give me a second to invis
or in a giga heavy pull where full repply is needed
cosmic sundial
night elf racial could be good too on packs
yee i was wondering about changing to nelf
frank trench
undead master race
hey wea
question for you
since CT with shiv is the big boy of bleed build
should i be putting my house of cards on the shiv vs deathmark?
royal lantern
yee i was wondering about changing to nelf
race doesnt matter and meld is a janky PoS
frank trench
to use it more often?
royal lantern
- you play a elf and i dont like you for that
void relic
to use it more often?
I dont think so, it's not more valuable than dm
frank trench
deathmark doesnt help in aoe bleed does it?
lol i dont think i fully understand deathmark 😦
void relic
bleed build is cool for 10 and less. caustic and kingsbane better for higter keys. it's my pov.
but always usetrinkets on your 2mn cd
frank trench
see i am doing bleed build in 12's and my dps is way higher
i cant figure out why im doing so bad with kingbane 😦
sonic schooner
they re doing different things imo
cosmic sundial
bleed build is cool for 10 and less. caustic and kingsbane better for higter ke...
ah really ? started playing it beceause of one random who plays it in 16s and he was doing great :(
void relic
I have more ST with kingsbane and I guess that's important in 14+
sonic schooner
hybrid is doing a bit better because you have more prio and the target will live your burst in higher keys which can be higher overall, but you ll have to synch kb and dm 
meanwhile as bleed u just enjoy your time, you can keep dm for boss pull since it doesnt really matter in aoe, and you re a happi frog. That s my pov. Both coexist and are performing the same 
frank trench
lol i accidently 99 parsed a vexie not knowing what i was doing ;/
our plates dropped the second i marked and kingsbaned lol
i do like that hybrid gets ironwire
coral ibex
you can take ironwire on bleed, its a pretty small loss to do so
frank trench
oooooo i couldnt figure out
neat raptor
Does stat prio change for bleed? Less crit im guessing
frank trench
what to drop to get it
ironwire is insane
dangit i always checked the pins in the faq section
didnt see all the pins in here ;/
royal lantern
bleed build is cool for 10 and less. caustic and kingsbane better for higter ke...
i mean, that pov is just kinda wrong
bleed literally does more boss dmg
and kingsbane is a shadow of itself, it doesnt do big dmg right now, espacially not in m+
bleed has better mass aoe dmg, better execute dmg, better raw boss dmg and better focus dmg, playing with the S1 "hybrid" build has...better low target cleave i gues?
royal lantern
fatebound is literally 100% passive
macro coldblood to kingsbane, vanish on your 2nd envenom after kingsbane, thats it
pliant remnant
bleed has better mass aoe dmg, better execute dmg, better raw boss dmg and bette...
What's actually better doesn't matter, it's just his POV, bro
sonic schooner
you can take ironwire on bleed, its a pretty small loss to do so
yea i even think it s a lesser dps loss to get IW as bleed than hybrid
pliant remnant
royal lantern
What's actually better doesn't matter, it's just his POV, bro
you dont need to be a ass about it, just possible that they dont know 
its kinda common that people think kingsbane is still this big button, when it just kinda isnt right now
low thicket
We ass ass here
sonic schooner
imma try that now, i ve seen some chinese logs doing it for some reason 
royal lantern
imma try that now, i ve seen some chinese logs doing it for some reason <:kekdog...
what is this
sonic schooner
idk
pliant remnant
you dont need to be a ass about it, just possible that they dont know <:peeposhr...
Always an ass
void relic
its kinda common that people think kingsbane is still this big button, when it j...
hybrid > bleed on priority target, it's just different to play
pliant remnant
ok I dabble in the others sometimes
royal lantern
hybrid > bleed on priority target, it's just different to play
no?
bleed does more priority dmg
its deathmark is stronger, and its raw aoe is stronger which funnels more dmg trought singular focus
frank trench
is fatebound that far behind in dmg?
haughty flicker
not insanely far behind in st, but as soon as there are multiple targets it starts losing really fast
and in m+ its tragic
frank trench
it seems awful on dummies lol
royal lantern
is fatebound that far behind in dmg?
equal to argurably SLIGHTLY better in 100% pure st
absoluely dogshit the second its not 100% pure st (and you can count on 1 hand how many fights in wow are 100% st)
royal lantern
it seems awful on dummies lol
well
you flip coins
what do you expect
its literally a rng gamble
just flip high bro, thats peak ROGUE HERO FANTASY afterall
golden loom
If you care about parsing, you will wanna quit the game after playing fatebound
void relic
its deathmark is stronger, and its raw aoe is stronger which funnels more dmg tr...
yeah 2mn cd, kb in all pulls
royal lantern
"next week I will flip better"
royal lantern
yeah 2mn cd, kb in all pulls
mate
kingsbane
is weak
you know that, right?
1 darkest night envenom does MORE dmg then kingsbane
crisp stream
!up
prisma monolithBOT
golden loom
Playing bleed on ToP first boss is so ethical
aoe shiv to remove enrage on the 1 add
royal lantern
like, your "all pulls priority dmg" is "less then a single envenom of bonus dmg by playing around a 1min cd" vs "literally everything i do is stronger and puts more dmg into the main target trought singular focus + Deathmark is a good chunk stronger"
golden loom
yes
frank trench
imma try that now, i ve seen some chinese logs doing it for some reason <:kekdog...
what the heck i just did a 10 min run on some dummies
im doing like 1.5 million more dps average
royal lantern
When cb is up
wasnt it "macor CB with KB, do 1 envenom and then vanish before the 2nd envenom"
royal lantern
how big of a dps loss do I have if I use it after
well, you double flip and gurantee the same result
but its fatebound
your "dps loss" is literally "lol just flip better"
dawn seal
LMAO
frank trench
i might need to try that build in a m+ 😮
golden loom
well I think if you vanish after the 2nd envenom ur probably griefing ur capstone chances a crazy amount
dawn seal
golden loom
like the entire opener cooldown sequence kinda secures the capstone
royal lantern
can play pixel perfect and never get the capstone running
can play like dogshit and get a 14 tails streak and be top dps
fatebound, a very well desinged tree in a game where consistency is wanted and rng is hated by its players
haughty flicker
i'll probably play fatebound some on sprocket just because i can already imagine how long we'll be stuck there
royal lantern
was so cool to prog as fatebound <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
what did you prog as it lol
haughty flicker
so need to shake things up a bit lmao
sonic schooner
outlaw rashanan / ovinax i think
golden loom
i'll probably play fatebound some on sprocket just because i can already imagine...
brother u will have insane flips until kill pull
haughty flicker
brother u will have insane flips until kill pull
golden loom
can I fatebound on one armed bandit
are there more targets on OAB than one? yes
royal lantern
the second the adds spawn, you int your dmg
golden loom
so fatebound in the dirt
royal lantern
royal lantern
like, its hilarious just how much it goes down the drain if there is ever a 2nd target
golden loom
just tell tank to keep oab out of add range
HOLY NEXT LEVEL NO-TARGET SWAPPING
haughty flicker
actually
golden loom
"no I do NOT want to cleave thank you very much"
haughty flicker
this might be cooked but
royal lantern
HOLY NEXT LEVEL NO-TARGET SWAPPING
AOE IS PADDING
haughty flicker
think about mugzee
royal lantern
royal lantern
think about mugzee
fight has adds
haughty flicker
will the adds in gaols count towards the fatebound stuff
yeah but you cant hit the adds with normal cleave
except for the shock dumbasses
golden loom
no kidding tho, I did play fatebound on Ulgrax after they removed intermission from parse
golden loom
If anyone got webbed, FUCKING KICK THEM!
haughty flicker
also you spend most of the last 40% not hitting adds
which is the important part
haughty flicker
i mean you can do whatever you want in your life
haughty flicker
not better than ap no
golden loom
@haughty flicker holy based mythic ulgrax parsing
haughty flicker
golden loom
why the fuck did I play fatebound at 624 ilvl..
haughty flicker
i didnt even step foot into mythic last tier
lmao
i think i played fatebound in heroic a bit though
little tulip
i lost deathstalker's mark on gorechop in theater of pain today cause sloppy and yeah oomf
golden loom
I was a bit of a first 4 pug warlord
little tulip
oh that's pvp or so mething
golden loom
losing mark in duel in top or?
little tulip
no was just kinda nervous and let darkest night buff expire instead of reapplying it and didn't notice
on the bridge
nova shadow
Guys what parses mean
polar rampart
it's where you keep your wallet and makeup
ionic pumice
how sudden demise work actually
worn marsh
are the fan of knives rules the same with a blindside proc active? I know that having blindside adds 1 but if i proc while applying spatter on say 5 targets should I use it?
spice surge
how sudden demise work actually
If a mob has 100 health left and your total remaining bleed damage is 150 it instantly kills them
dawn seal
should I rupture one armed bandit adds for energy
or I should just deal with going out of energy
astral current
what option is best to sim raid fights? cleave add or something else instead
iron vapor
what option is best to sim raid fights? cleave add or something else instead
Depends on the raid fight.
golden loom
what option is best to sim raid fights? cleave add or something else instead
we sim patchwerk for raid
astral current
ye but what 'bout stix or gally
golden loom
still patchwerk
astral current
still patchwerk
patchwerk 1 boss?
golden loom
<:RazeUwU:1028746675520540692> do u rupture adds on one armed
u can ye
golden loom
patchwerk 1 boss?
yes
spice surge
Run patchwerk 1 boss but keep spatter
brazen sluice
i find my spatter damage is dogshit in rik and stix , idk why , i finished rik 2m overall was doing tank dmg on adds , do we full hard switch now?
golden loom
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtletly.
golden loom
we do not swap!
haughty flicker
We swap to sub
spice surge
Theoretically you could have some barrel damage with bleed build, its probably griefing your overall damage though
haughty flicker
Holy based
haughty flicker
brazen sluice
aha and if i wanted to sim for add cleaves do i do 1t 5min with spatter on?
subtle tundra
Theoretically you could have some barrel damage with bleed build, its probably g...
ok buddy
astral current
i find my spatter damage is dogshit in rik and stix , idk why , i finished rik 2...
kept stix in target for whole fight
static glacier
I always knew you had big rupture big sudden D energy unlike whispyr of small rupture and smaller sudden D
brazen sluice
kept stix in target for whole fight
im @ 20% haste according to my sims low mastrey low crit so not sure if its for bleed build or internal bleed sims coz i sim st with internal bleed
ebon olive
Can i do dmg with 50% Mastery ?
static glacier
also does anyone else remember testing out the sin rework on ptr and going IB
on aoe
haughty flicker
no your damage turns off if you have 50% mastery
you turn into a healer
potion seller
static glacier
Can i do dmg with 50% Mastery ?
aight, talk me through why you think you might / might not do damage at a certain amount of mastery
no judgement
and yes, there is one VEEEEEEEERY niche situation where x amount of mastery could see you losing a notable amount of damage dealt, but this is extremely niche
strange sleet
Any Tricks Macro Generator addon guys? I just downloaded MisdirectionHelper but it seems like I have to click it which really sucks
polar rampart
theres a macro that clicks it
ebon olive
aight, talk me through why you think you might / might not do damage at a certai...
Just my over intelligent friend said i wouldnt. wanted to know so i can prove him wrong XD
neat raptor
what
polar rampart
it should be listed how to macro it on the wa page
strange tundra
Can assa do those big ass 25m openers? largest i've gotten is 16m or some shit
runic hinge
think thats an UH dk thing
strange tundra
not really
static glacier
Just my over intelligent friend said i wouldnt. wanted to know so i can prove hi...
so he didn't describe a super specific situation featuring multiple dps running specific talents did he
strange tundra
i've seen mage or balance do 25m openers
static glacier
sounds like he's being dumb as shit
nova shadow
Can assa do those big ass 25m openers? largest i've gotten is 16m or some shit
And what are they doing on next pull 😄
ebon olive
so he didn't describe a super specific situation featuring multiple dps running ...
Nope
nova shadow
nothing
strange tundra
And what are they doing on next pull 😄
Lol true
lucid silo
most of those big number openers are like 99% pad
strange tundra
we have damage everywhere tbh
strange sleet
theres a macro that clicks it
I see. I'll look for it. Curseforge description says nothing about it
ty
strange tundra
didnt think of it like that
static glacier
for the record the only time having specific mastery would ever remotely matter is if you're in a key with another sin rogue running the same build as you
nova shadow
I played recently a floodgate where I did 0nly 9m overall o nfirst pull after first boss I was 6m overall while the rest were 4.7 and 5.1
strange tundra
I played recently a floodgate where I did 0nly 9m overall o nfirst pull after fi...
yea makes sense happened to me as well
just got sidetracked by the padding
static glacier
whoever has the strongest bleeds (length, power - which is influenced by mastery, haste, AP shiv etc) will trigger sudden demise first
while the other rogue will do v low sudden demise
keen spruce
static glacier
but this is incredibly niche as you need to have 2 rogues both running bleed or hybrid, if one is on bleed and the other on hybrid it won't matter
strange tundra
is 9% haste enough for bleed build
static glacier
and secondly it relies on you both playing it v similarly, you can win the demise race by demisemaxxing
static glacier
is 9% haste enough for bleed build
yes lmao
keen spruce
is 9% haste enough for bleed build
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
static glacier
outside of having mastery highest for priory we shouldn'tcare about stats much
just run w/e sim tells you is best
strange tundra
Well I heard we need more haste on the bleed build
nova shadow
I got finally my pacemaker today so now I will sack around 4k crit for 4k haste
static glacier
the build being good at using haste doesn't mean it needs haste to function
keen spruce
The sim might favor haste more in different builds but it does t mean you need it
strange tundra
so should i drop the haste to get mastery or crit or just leave it as is
or just sim shit
i guess sim
static glacier
top gear it
strange tundra
ok
static glacier
run st and dslice
royal lantern
i guess sim
you are learning (>o.o)>
static glacier
gl bro
strange tundra
i only play m+
static glacier
dslice then
nova shadow
so should i drop the haste to get mastery or crit or just leave it as is
no I hav esimmed alot haste always wins
royal lantern
ye dlsice
past marten
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
- Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.
strange tundra
ok
nova shadow
i think the cinderbrew or crafted neck is good enough with jastor
keen spruce
The answer is that it doesn’t really matter but it might be a little better if the robot tells u
nova shadow
also giving some haste and the hands set piece
keen spruce
<a:SCdance:664513443675635732>
u watching the masters?
strange tundra
The answer is that it doesn’t really matter but it might be a little better if t...
Idk if it's worth the effort just to change some stats and get 0.6% more dps or some shit
nova shadow
Well it sims 100k st increase
royal lantern
Idk if it's worth the effort just to change some stats and get 0.6% more dps or ...
it isnt
secondary stats are overall a cope
strange tundra
ye fuck it
keen spruce
Idk if it's worth the effort just to change some stats and get 0.6% more dps or ...
Ye exactly
strange tundra
ye
static glacier
Well it sims 100k st increase
100k dps? im guessing that's jastor
I doubt a neck switch in stats is that big
nova shadow
100k dps? im guessing that's jastor
Creafted neck, jastor + pacemaker was around 100k st increase for me
static glacier
compared to?
royal lantern
thats jastor mate lol
nova shadow
I just got the pacemaker so I can make the switch
runic hinge
<a:SCdance:664513443675635732> u watching the masters?
not yet today
nova shadow
I have crit mastery neck ring 665 and a mechaco core amplifier on 665
static glacier
im guessing ur gonna be gaining like 20ilvl on neck and 10ish on trink then gaining jastor
for me jastor was like 50k with 0 ilvl gain
going from crit mast ring to jastor of same ilvl
strange tundra
i just bought pacemaker for 20k gold in a m+ and some guy was on his 30th dungeon still no trinket bought it in front of him 😭
static glacier
and if you're higher ilvl than I was when I ran that jastor will be a bigger gain
static glacier
Btw the motherlord haste/mastery sims really close to jastor
huge cap
strange tundra
if they bring back ara in season 3 the trinket will be bis?
nova shadow
Well I sim 658 jastor since thats realistic for me to get
static glacier
from the effect
nova shadow
im still 5/8 hc and kinda lazy to push
static glacier
you guys must be super mastery heavy
nova shadow
else you're wasting crests
Oh yes I play 658 cinder rick with crit mastery
static glacier
for jastor to sim that badly
nova shadow
im 25 crit, 8 haste, 68 mast, 5 vers
no pots no nothing
gonna go down to 20 % crit for like 15 % haste
assuming pacemaker procs will make up for it
strange tundra
assuming pacemaker procs will make up for it
pacemaker is like 50%++ uptime in dungeons for me
static glacier
im fairly certain switching gems and enchants away from mastery will sim as an upgrade
nova shadow
yes I do mastery crit as mastery prior, but the sims says haste mastery with haste prio
royal lantern
probs 80
nova shadow
I mean haste also is great for raiding the vv build likes haste right
static glacier
yes I do mastery crit as mastery prior, but the sims says haste mastery with has...
when I was 69% mastery sim was telling me crit vers was a gain over crit mast
but ye just sim
royal lantern
you are full hp most of the time in wow
the game is kinda heavy with "full hp->drop to 20% and now get healed up or you die on the next dmg event"
ebon olive
Are we already at 4 Craftet items or 3 and half ?
static glacier
Are we already at 4 Craftet items or 3 and half ?
4
ebon olive
Ok then im missing a half
lavish wing
4
royal lantern
seems like most people switched to double elem focus lens
i dont think they "switched"
they just use sub gear
royal lantern
cus sub was the FotM at patch launch
royal lantern
like the double ele shit does 0.8% of my dmg
thats a normal TWW embelishment number
strange tundra
it's 50/50 but season 1 no one was using elem focus lens so maybe u are right idk
royal lantern
TWW embelishments are very low impact
lavish wing
any chance those corruption enchants give us 7%? 😄
royal lantern
any chance those corruption enchants give us 7%? 😄
no
lavish wing
dang
royal lantern
they are like 2%
lavish wing
but for everyone?
royal lantern
its dmg procs, ofc for everyone lol
lavish wing
i was hoping to somehow it turns out a lot better for us 😄
nvm me, im heavy coping today
runic hinge
they are like 2%
they just got buffed like 125% i think theyre like 3.5% now
lavish wing
my baby fdk got a second buff and now sims 2.45M while my main rogue while being 7 ilvls higher only like 2.26M
royal lantern
it's 50/50 but season 1 no one was using elem focus lens so maybe u are right id...
it was good for sub
most people are kinda FotM brains (and suck at it) and lens was good for sub at start
they crafted for sb and didnt swap
helps that embelishments in TWW are just so giga low impact, that it doesnt matter anyway
swapping embelishments for that 0,1% sim dps 
coral ibex
my baby fdk got a second buff and now sims 2.45M while my main rogue while being...
sims are not comparable between specs and especially not class to class
static glacier
real talk
lavish wing
yea, it is stronger anyway 😄
hidden bay
time to unbind envenom
royal lantern
if you're super serious about pushing keys
you constantly reroll
static glacier
like 1-2% dr
royal lantern
and dont play 1 class
strange tundra
swapping embelishments for that 0,1% sim dps <:catPOG:841305669428576316>
yea same shit as changing stats for that 0.5%
royal lantern
yea same shit as changing stats for that 0.5%
i mean, its even less
nova shadow
time to unbind envenom <:garf:1320173032743899157>
is this like rookery top or smth
royal lantern
emvelishments are jst GIGA weak in TWW
strange tundra
i mean, its even less
im not even gonna go through the effort of checking
nova shadow
my caustic is so low for those too
static glacier
and espacially not rogue
ngl man Ive been thinking our class is a piece of work, we aren't actually useful enough to have a guaranteed raid spot
its just dmg bot
royal lantern
im not even gonna go through the effort of checking
most of them are like 1% AT BEST
and the "worse" options are then like 0,9-0,8%
royal lantern
ngl man Ive been thinking our class is a piece of work, we aren't actually usefu...
what
atrophic poison lol
static glacier
cmon man
static glacier
idk dude, I remember both rogues being out for stix
coral ibex
except when most of the threatening damage is not coded to the boss and is instead environment damage
royal lantern
raids are balanced around having EVERY raidbuff and utility option of all classes active
coral ibex
then atrophic is literally useless
royal lantern
m+ is a different beast
royal lantern
except when most of the threatening damage is not coded to the boss and is inste...
i know, but that doesnt actually happen that often anymore
royal lantern
idk dude, I remember both rogues being out for stix
allright, why do you base stuff based on world first, thats idiotic
and stix is a VERY special fight with instant wipe failure mechanics
like
rogue is 1 of the easiest classes to get a raidspot lol
static glacier
allright, why do you base stuff based on world first, thats idiotic
and stix is...
litterally my guild
benched both rogues
first reclear I came in and did top dam
we just didn't do dmg to targets that mattered as a class
for the first kill
royal lantern
m+ is a shitshow cus its 5 people where you need BL+CR filled and multiple aoe stops, and not everyone has it equal
raids is a giga w/e
static glacier
or that was the reasoning given for the bench to us
royal lantern
or that was the reasoning given for the bench to us
so how did you guys play pre DF then
static glacier
1st rik I was benched and the sub was brought which makes sense
static glacier
so how did you guys play pre DF then
wasn't in this guild then, was always in for all of df as rogue
coral ibex
is your guild hof/wr pushing?
royal lantern
cus ack then rogue had literally no raidbuff
static glacier
but that was more a player standard diff, was in a worse guild
coral ibex
getting sat for rik is wild ngl
static glacier
getting sat for rik is wild ngl
sin wasn't great for it and roster is 25, other rogue is sub and covered the buff
this was pre-sin buffs
royal lantern
getting sat for rik is wild ngl
getting sat on rik for barrel dmg and they take a reroll firemage instead tha doesnt hit barrels 
static glacier
someone has to sit so mightaswell be me, I understand im part of a team
and when im in others are sitting for that to happen
royal lantern
sin wasn't great for it and roster is 25, other rogue is sub and covered the buf...
25 is kinda big tbh
golden loom
we are also 25 I think
static glacier
they like having 2x every raidbuff
royal lantern
like, 25 is where you expect benching often
static glacier
its reasonable
tall atlas
!fb
prisma monolithBOT
Only changes for fatebound are macroing cold blood to kingsbane and vanishing during the cold blood buff during deathmark in order to double flip coins. Otherwise regular rotation, finishers on 5+
golden loom
I also sat first rik kill
nova shadow
Guys are what pots are you running
haughty flicker
just be the only rogue in the guild
nova shadow
Flask*
haughty flicker
tall atlas
would playing FB onCoC be a CucK
coral ibex
why wouldn't you run the flask recommended in the guide
static glacier
just be the only rogue in the guild
ye idk can't seem to find that, reason Ive not trialled at some great guilds is it's a 1 rogue tier and they'd have to trial me on farm + next tier instead of putting me in for prog
worldly bridge
yoo i came across something weird when looking up for changes in the rotation section
little tulip
oh oh i got one have your mythic coc kills gone to 3 or 4 intermissions
the clash or whatever
worldly bridge
"Mutilate if not talented into Shrouded Suffocation"
When are we supposed to apply garrote then 🤔
static glacier
"Mutilate if not talented into Shrouded Suffocation"
When are we supposed to ap...
you're misreading it
worn marsh
"Mutilate if not talented into Shrouded Suffocation"
When are we supposed to ap...
mutilate after garrote
worldly bridge
oooooooh ok
pliant remnant
How did you see the Mutilate line somehow affecting the line from Ambush to Garrote?
static glacier
you always gar, its just if you have SS you will get 2 extra cps which lets you go for the rupture
worldly bridge
mb
astral current
any chance those corruption enchants give us 7%? 😄
only playable enchantment gonna be head slot that provides just 1% dmg
golden loom
But also you dont have to mutilate incase the opening ambush crit
static glacier
just follow the regular prio of finish on 5+
worldly bridge
How did you see the Mutilate line somehow affecting the line from Ambush to Garr...
im reading it as if it replaces the cast
royal lantern
"Mutilate if not talented into Shrouded Suffocation"
When are we supposed to ap...
it means "use mutilate until you have 5+ CP where you use a finisher"
static glacier
if for some reason you've not got imp ambush and ss you could ambush > gar and be 4 cp
where you'd just mut or fan to get to 5+ for rup
lavish wing
only playable enchantment gonna be head slot that provides just 1% dmg
yea, i know, i was more like joking, but tnx anyway
astral current
well, after whole raid i've came to conclusion that MA really falls behind on most of the bosses compared to VV, even despite the fact that MA sims as +dmg for me 
sonic zinc
royal lantern
well, after whole raid i've came to conclusion that MA really falls behind on mo...
check pins
suprise update a couple hours ago
astral current
check pins
oh so bug with sims is currently being live?
royal lantern
no? we just oversimmed a bit
and VV got too much value
so its not objectively better
and instead is a "yeha sim it depeends a bit"
coral ibex
interesting
MA sims .7% ahead for me now
at least with spatter
but VV ahead with IB
humble verge
lmao
astral current
MA sims .7% ahead for me now
VV sims -0.4% for me with caustic, however in raid scenario it prevails like +200-300k dps
autumn lynx
bro how do yall get into +11s, i have all 10s timed most are two chested but i still get insta declined for days
polar rampart
10s and 11s are different?
astral current
also i dont understand how come fate sims that much over deathstalker ST (raid ST on screen) cuz in reality im doing less dmg
spice spire
Well I mean
autumn lynx
10s and 11s are different?
i understand that but how am i supposed to have good enough io to get into 11s if the only way to get more io is do 11s
spice spire
By default fate is rng
wide ferry
i understand that but how am i supposed to have good enough io to get into 11s i...
Your own key bro.
autumn lynx
i can never get tank
astral current
By default fate is rng
so sim just pushing that rng to the limit?
autumn lynx
i tried boosting my own key
once i get to to 10 the queue just dries up
is there like a specific ilvl people usually look for for 11s and higher?
runic hinge
By default fate is rng
Not for me but I’m built different
slate crown
is there like a specific ilvl people usually look for for 11s and higher?
No it's entirely vibes.
You get into keys by finding and making friends and running with those friends.
You have to network and be social
I know, I know, that's a nightmare to most people here
but it's true.
autumn lynx
i know i try but most people just insta dip after the key is done
slate crown
It's rough
autumn lynx
on to the next one
slate crown
Doesn't have to be through keys
wooden perch
how do we get this weeks spark
slate crown
i know i try but most people just insta dip after the key is done
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/i-remember-you
This won't solve all of your problems but it's a small tool to help
naive junco
Can someone explain why it seems the most popular horde race for most rogues I'm seeing is Mag'har orc? I know race plays a minor role, just curious
royal lantern
they updated maghar
people went crazy over OMG ITS SO STRONG NOW WTF WTF???????????????
paid blizz 20 bucks
and its ofc not insane or meaningfull or stronger then anything else
but wow players gonna wow players you know
scarlet sequoia
it is quite strong tho
over 6k of ur best or 2nd best stat during cds
kinda nice
foggy mirage
certainly is
spice spire
over 6k of ur best or 2nd best stat during cds
It’s nice if you hit mast
scarlet sequoia
think u gotta read ur tooltip again
golden loom
think u gotta read ur tooltip again
You gain 2% more of all secondary stats (Haste, Critical Strike, Mastery, Versatility) from all sources.
scarlet sequoia
ye
golden loom
What am I missing
golden loom
Yeah, 2%
hearty reef
runic hinge
Never save. Always send
royal lantern
Never save. Always send
based
thats why i got a 4 on stix, but based
bad rng, go again next reset, always send
candid nacelle
hey guys, i need some infos how to get better xD
im very often 3rd dps and that makes me sad 😦
floodgate +10
haughty flicker
crimson tempest is way too low even if youre playing hybrid
obtuse robin
does cb make all ticks of ct crit?
obtuse robin
xd
candid nacelle
crimson tempest is way too low even if youre playing hybrid
what is hybrid? 😄
haughty flicker
just a name for a build
royal lantern
if CB would work like that, CB would be a decent talent
and not some shity Classic Nostalgia bait
candid nacelle
ah oka
haughty flicker
but regardless of build you need to press ct more
exotic shuttle
Yoyo. Is it worth crafting a second dagger if I don't have mythic track second hand?
cursive marsh
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
royal lantern
Yoyo. Is it worth crafting a second dagger if I don't have mythic track second h...
no
offhand is a statstick and nothing more
absolute last slot you care about
exotic shuttle
Alright, cheers!
royal lantern
if you can craft a item on another slot, that slot is above offhand
agile kestrel
does anyone know the expression to add to warcraft logs to see the total % of time you are above a certain health %?
scarlet sequoia
where ct should stand here?
if youre playing bleed build ct is top dmg usually
by quite a bit
some dungeons are exceptions ofc
autumn lynx
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/i-remember-you
This won't solve all of yo...
bet i just saw this thanks
scarlet sequoia
quite a cook
id recommend u try one of the builds on the wowhead guide
bleed build is very strong in any key level
can beat unholy dks on some keys if they have mediocre rng
candid nacelle
i copied from wowhead
scarlet sequoia
and u play well
candid nacelle
m+ right, right?
candid nacelle
i cant read bleed build?
ah yeah its the m+ build
oh it comes without kingdeath
wanton tangle
cheat death or elusiveness? what do yall take?
limber walrus
cheat death or elusiveness? what do yall take?
raid or M+?
royal lantern
raid CD, m+ elusivness when its like, +14 keys
limber walrus
^
wanton tangle
m+
scarlet sequoia
oh it comes without kingdeath
kingsbane isnt very big anymore
wouldnt worry aboot it
candid nacelle
kingsbane isnt very big anymore
yeah allready saw that xD
little tulip
humble verge
okay
icl
bleed is hella fun
doing 10s with guildies atleast
only 72% uptime on ct tho :(
fickle abyss
so do we want some minimum haste? my raidbots always tells me I want pieces with heavy haste/mastery
current stats are
Crit: 12.438
Haste: 8.155
Mastery: 21.685
Versa: 3.558
red schooner
so do we want some minimum haste? my raidbots always tells me I want pieces with...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
wild jackal
strange python
cheat death or elusiveness? what do yall take?
M+ elusiveness always for me mate. It's invaluable
short pine
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strange python
Huge Dr off gcd and most always available 👌
dreamy rover
i find my spatter damage is dogshit in rik and stix , idk why , i finished rik 2...
how
without any effort my spatter is top dmg on stix mythic
in heroic it all just dies too fast
but still insane spatter dmg
neat smelt
for the new fatebound build find, I assume we dont use the naked Shiv after Deathmark window?
static glacier
for the new fatebound build find, I assume we dont use the naked Shiv after Deat...
yeah you don't
also fatebound isn't really a new build
its been around since start of tww
magic dust
quick question, is macroing thistle tea to shiv fine even with sending a dry shiv? i feel like im wasting a lot of energy since im sending all my 3 thistle teas in the first 40 sec of a raid fight
polar rampart
they just invented all these builds
jolly heath
hey guys, why the 1st boss TOP don't reset my mark 
polar rampart
cuz they dont really die
static glacier
they just invented all these builds
sims incorrectly had mut benefitting too much from deathstalker's mark buff
desert spire
^
static glacier
Guys is this the current build rn?
no you dont play vv for dungeons
devout fiber
vv?
static glacier
also why did you drop vigor
vicious venoms
this build looks like its for v low keys
devout fiber
@balmy condor said when u do keys below 10, you go down the middle path rather than thistle
but for keys above 10 i'd do Vigor
devout fiber
FI
static glacier
forced induction
devout fiber
ah ye
static glacier
man fuck all these names
hasty gate
why would my mutilate and ambush be doing no dmg when someone elses are doing double per cast
winter willow
press them twice as hard
cosmic sundial
just did +10 workshop with bleed build could someone tell me if there's something off ? (i don't have much stuff atm ilv 649)
(i know caustic should be higher i'm tracking it but adds dies too fast :/ )
golden basin
quick question, is macroing thistle tea to shiv fine even with sending a dry shi...
Personally i use the macro Shiv/Tea only for the last 8seconds of KB, using all your teas early on a big fight like raid boss aint worth it
obtuse robin
yo wtf
cosmic sundial
yo wtf is that
cosmic sundial
:/
scarlet sequoia
just did +10 workshop with bleed build could someone tell me if there's somethin...
nah looks about right
magic dust
Personally i use the macro Shiv/Tea only for the last 8seconds of KB, using all ...
but is it like a real loss? i mean if it just feels bad but doesnt matter im fine. if im losing 1-2% because i macroed it would be ass
scarlet sequoia
caustic isnt that high with bleed build tbh
cosmic sundial
okay thanks!
scarlet sequoia
playing fatebound is crazy tho
golden basin
just did +10 workshop with bleed build could someone tell me if there's somethin...
Sanguine Blades should be higher imo
cosmic sundial
just trying to learn atm, ill swap to the other tree once i'm feeling good with rogue overall
cosmic sundial
ye didn't tried to keep being above 50% energy ngl
royal lantern
and in aoe it happens by itself
cosmic sundial
not to be toxic but learning something wrong seems counterproductive
true but i'm just not doing anything with fate beceause it's all passive
royal lantern
true but i'm just not doing anything with fate beceause it's all passive
tbf, deathstalker is also passive
cosmic sundial
oh really ?
royal lantern
just that every 4th finisher is a max cp envenom that chunks harder
but like, thats it
ambush->play the game->max cp finisher when capstone is up
nothing more
cosmic sundial
oh okayn i thought it was something akward to track or idk
scarlet sequoia
it can be a bit awkward
cosmic sundial
okok i'll swap then thanks !
royal lantern
on bosses its just on the boss
in m+ trash you apply it on the biggest guy and thats it tbh
scarlet sequoia
worst case scenario u can use ct a few times to proc darkest night
onyx linden
If you for some reason lose mark completely or lose track of mark then yeah
cosmic sundial
mmh okay i see
shy creek
i just hit vanish when i lose the target completely
but its pretty rare
usually u know what ur mark is going on going into the pull
cosmic sundial
Sanguine Blades should be higher imo
i don't have much mastery too now that i think about it idk if it's beceause of that
cosmic sundial
just going to put a weakaura for the mark i think
royal lantern
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solemn atlas
Cinderbrew can't mutilate the ads on that annoying fucking boss great blizzard
runic hinge
bad rng, go again next reset, always send
Real
shrewd night
and mods are sleeping
sharp viper
<:weirdChair:1006646608974336020>
paw five
shrewd night
I just love the "mods are sleeping if they dont see my ping instantly smile"
candid nacelle
does we still use envenom as a spender at 5+ CB in the bleed build?
hollow river
sharp viper
sacred schooner
hahah
hollow river
it was really bad
candid nacelle
hm ok
sacred schooner
but yes we still use it at 5cp to proc mark
sacred schooner
sure refresh dots always rupture\ct\garrote
sacred schooner
it is good i even can compete with udk unlesss they proc well
then its like 11m vs 30m
;x
sharp viper
it is good i even can compete with udk unlesss they proc well
noone can compete with that
candid nacelle
thats cool, yeah i was wondering why my damage is low af
sacred schooner
noone can compete with that
you can when they dont proc!
brave comet
i'm trying to pug cauldron and its hell
people constantly failing beams
for some ungodly reason this mechanic is super hard for wow players
royal lantern
i'm trying to pug cauldron and its hell
mythic?
brave comet
mythic
royal lantern
well ofc
no good player pugs mythic, espacially not right now
they all play in their raid teams
brave comet
its my first week doing it outside of boost time. and i never realized how bad it is
dense delta
avg. skill level of pug has neven been that bad i think. it's really a new adventure to pug mythic.
jaunty whale
@smoky glacier that was fucked up bud
balmy condor
<@1278753893752246395> that was fucked up bud
Well he’s banned so he’s not reading that
jaunty whale
Gucci
lost wharf
cant imagine pugging more than 1st boss
Last Season you could pug the first 3 sometimes. This season I would agree tho, after 1st it's kinda doomed.
wooden perch
can someone check out my ST here in 15 cinderbrew laast boss
what am i doing wrong
my st just feels so ass
lost wharf
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tXdCgGWvyjRPwLra?fight=11&pull=15&type=dama...
I found the issue, you didn't join the bleed build cult
fervent badge
assa rouge got some bug when repair outlaw my st on raid is bad opener tho
wooden perch
I found the issue, you didn't join the bleed build cult
kekw, tried bleed build in a few keys, even with PI, prob has potential but would have to learn it and its not as muscle memory as the regular builds are for me
stable cove
How do u guys keep track of deathstalker mark? any marcos to target a target with the debuff?
sharp viper
How do u guys keep track of deathstalker mark? any marcos to target a target wit...
I have keybindings for set focus target and target the focus target
lost wharf
kekw, tried bleed build in a few keys, even with PI, prob has potential but woul...
I mean without looking too much into the spells you used, I think the number is okay. Assa just isn't really strong in pure st when playing non-raid builds. Maybe I'm just delusional tho and there is a potential gain somewhere
stable cove
I have keybindings for set focus target and target the focus target
ahhhh ok smart i will do that
lost wharf
How do u guys keep track of deathstalker mark? any marcos to target a target wit...
I have a weakaura that highlights the nameplate with deathstalkers mark. I got it on wago, no clue what it's called
stable cove
I have a weakaura that highlights the nameplate with deathstalkers mark. I got i...
found it i think ty
blissful pumice
my st just feels so ass
I have the same problem, just can´t get over 1.3-1.5 mio at boss fights if i dont get lust or Pi or shit like that
blissful pumice
its cause we have no haste at all
wooden perch
such low energy gain
its disgusting
ye but i think even if u get some more haste
wont rlly help
unless u invest heavily into it but then at that point u lose dmg
blissful pumice
normaly u try to always chain the envenom buffs an even if i snipe it at 0,1 sec duration i have energy problems in downtimes and cant pool my energy for my Kingsbane
so i have to drop it to pool
wooden perch
yup
feels scuffed either way u do it
i cba with pooling
doing it vs not doing it feels like same result
normal mist
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+
Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
blissful pumice
doing it vs not doing it feels like same result
y i dont rly feel a differnce too but i know its right to pool for it xD
But my only solution is to look at my grp and if we lack ST I play sub
lost wharf
Just play bleed and don't worry about all that Kingsbane and Envenom uptime nonsense
It does however also feel awfull, but different!
blissful pumice
does it deal more ST dmg?
lost wharf
I think so. At least that's what Eleem said a week ago or so when I started with it
humble verge
@slate crown i saw wowhead put out a post, so i guess their understanding is the gold swapping between games that probably will be affected ig
lost wharf
But I don't think the difference Was that big
wooden perch
i think the st is the same
dreamy rover
does it deal more ST dmg?
yhea ST is marginally better on bleed build, very slightly though
they basically have same ST but bleed build has better AOE
and easier to play with less KB conditions/prio targets etc
blissful pumice
the top assas all play the normal build so idk why i would go for bleed 😄
wooden perch
ye not quite sold on it yet
lost wharf
the top assas all play the normal build so idk why i would go for bleed 😄
Don't start that discussion again
blissful pumice
oh ok xD
dreamy rover
now i get why @balmy condor goes fucking ballistic sometimes
wooden perch
need to see someone do big numbers before i swap to that
it did feel insane on big pulls
but it fell off later on as you dont get cds every 1 minute
blissful pumice
U got a link to the bleed build talent tree?
wooden perch
but tbf didnt finish a single key with it as we bricked it
lost wharf
need to see someone do big numbers before i swap to that
I'm having a hard time getting invites to 12s, so won't see any high Keys from me xd
dreamy rover
but it fell off later on as you dont get cds every 1 minute
CDs are pretty useless on bleed build. cool thing about it is that you do big damage on every single pack, so youre probably doing something wrong
lost wharf
U got a link to the bleed build talent tree?
Wowhead Assa class Guide has it
dreamy rover
bleed doesnt have a bursty profile at all
dreamy rover
ye not quite sold on it yet
so you dont trust simulations?
to put it quite simply: bleed build is simming more than hybrid on dungeon slice
you do whatever you want with that info
some people dont want to learn a new build
blazing pumice
it's simming more on patchwerk too
dreamy rover
it's simming more on patchwerk too
exactly, but ST difference is so small its negligable
blissful pumice
I dont think the top 10 rogues wouldnt learn the better build so thats the only reason i am not confinced xD
but i am gonna take a look at it and try it out
dreamy rover
youre pissing me off
static glacier
I dont think the top 10 rogues wouldnt learn the better build so thats the only ...
what if I told you that instead of appealing to authority you can make real arguments
dreamy rover
ill go ahead and leave now
slate crown
<@228712200385200130> i saw wowhead put out a post, so i guess their understandi...
Yeah I saw the new post, that clarifies that it does not impact "Open trade, give gold" which is what I read the original post as saying/implying.
it needed the clarification, imo
dreamy rover
I dont think the top 10 rogues wouldnt learn the better build so thats the only ...
(top 10 rogues are busy bricking 17s over and over, not in assass looking at every single change)
thats why big boy
or maybe they dont trust simulations like you guys
lol
fallow canopy
I mean zeross is playing some hybrid with some changes build that only works in that level of keys
but that doesnt mean everyone
should play that
static glacier
zeross is in here 24/7 tho xd
slate crown
I mean zeross is playing some hybrid with some changes build that only works in ...
It also doesn't mean that that build is the only build that works at that level of keys. Or that that build is the best at that level
dreamy rover
oh and let me remind you, the people that figured bleed build are the same people who helped Liquid's RWF rogue simulate his character and find out what build to play so
fallow canopy
yea ig at that point the crackheads m plussers do a lil bit of feelcrafting too
static glacier
anyone with half a brain cell knows appeal to authority is dogshit logic
slate crown
yea ig at that point the crackheads m plussers do a lil bit of feelcrafting too
Yup, they just have a supportive team, and no jobs except playing so they have infinite time to play and turns out if you have people around you and infinite time you can make anything work
fallow canopy
at this point I don't even remember was I was trying to say so I'll cast vanish 
dreamy rover
anyone with half a brain cell knows appeal to authority is dogshit logic
yhea but also tried to fuck with his argument in his own flawed logic space
static glacier
here's a new angle
slate crown
play the game and press the buttons u wanna press and take the talents you wanna take?
static glacier
minute differences in build don't make the difference between success and failure in a lot of takes
slate crown
yeh
dreamy rover
oh 100%
slate crown
lmao
dreamy rover
hahahahaha
static glacier
right
wasnt even bottom or anything and that's a pretty serious grief
id imagine like 10% dmg loss if not more
stuff like individual talent switches in m+ are much smaller
like zero came in here personally to say his build was cooked and to not copy
shit got pinned
good gameplay and co-ordination matters a lot more for key success than a few percent of dmg on 1 member
dreamy rover
wasnt even bottom or anything and that's a pretty serious grief
this week i started heroic mug zee without any poisons, started freaking out because spatter wasnt being applied during 1st set of cages
lost wharf
Oh, Idk who mentioned it earlier, but bleed build also likes haste to some degree. It's also not a bad PI target. Somebody said they didn't like the lack of haste in hybrid.
dreamy rover
this week i started heroic mug zee without any poisons, started freaking out bec...
i then went on to purposefully wipe the group because my logs cant be that fucked up sorry
static glacier
LMAO
lost wharf
this week i started heroic mug zee without any poisons, started freaking out bec...
I was giga tilted on a workshop key, when I tried to cleave with caustic, but it wouldn't proc, coz I was brain afk and applied instant poison
dreamy rover
I was giga tilted on a workshop key, when I tried to cleave with caustic, but it...
i did a whole key
with instant poison
humble verge
it needed the clarification, imo
^^
dreamy rover
and that was my 1st time trying the bleed build, i thought it was trash LOL
gentle delta
sorry if this is a faq but couldn't find it, is there a full rotation/opener guide for the bleed build somewhere? i can only seem to find kingsbane/hybrid ones
lost wharf
Was one of my first keys too. Thought I copied some weird loadout that didn't take caustic to cheese even more sudden demise
static glacier
sorry if this is a faq but couldn't find it, is there a full rotation/opener gui...
its the same opener
rotation id say you can watch whispyrs recent yap
for discussion on demisemaxing / shiv
gentle delta
i watched through it a bit but it's stuff i'd understand better if i was already an assa player i think
i was just picking it up
so prio list would be the same as the other builds?
static glacier
the core stuff is the same
number of targets to fok is different
and you keep ct up in st on bleed
differences in aoe is that you can play to maximise sudden demise
and play around aoe shiv / arterial and zoldyck
wooden perch
number of targets to fok is different
on how many u fok in bleed?
static glacier
on how many u fok in bleed?
3 bc you take blindside
lost wharf
differences in aoe is that you can play to maximise sudden demise
Always maximize sudden demise. Don't trust the haters that call it "padding"
I'm just kidding, I have no idea if it's better, I just like to do it and then tell ppl at the end of the dungeon to invite more rogues, if I did good dps with it
polar rampart
haters gonna hate
haughty flicker
sudden demise gives dopamine
i play game to acquire dopamine
therefore we demisemaxx
spice spire
Maximizing Demise often leads to gains realistically
red schooner
You say I'm shiving to maximise demise. I lie and say I'm shiving to play optimally for zoldycks.
haughty flicker
ye pressing shiv for zoldyck is good anyway
haughty flicker
real
humble verge
the 10 flood i was doing earlier
i was 60m damage, then my guildie said "i thought i finally started popping off" and i had 320m damage
jesus
bleed* is too op 😭
esp in some pulls
pure moth
Yeah I hit 13mil on the first pull of cinderbrew (10) it'll never happen again
native turret
Hitting 22+mill demise pops is fun
biggest dopamine hit of my life:
sharp viper
you guys play with combat text and screenshake weakauras whenever you do big hits?
native turret
😶 no
jaunty sky
Might look for a demise one tbh
haughty flicker
need an airhorn to go off every time i do a dry shiv envenom
gleaming jackal
the best sudden demise ive gotten so far
pure moth
What's it under in logs?
verbal lance
noob here, do we put crimson tempest on boss too in m+?
scarlet orbit
noob here, do we put crimson tempest on boss too in m+?
If you play the bleed build you keep ct up on singletarget if you play hybrid you dont use it in singletarget
verbal lance
If you play the bleed build you keep ct up on singletarget if you play hybrid yo...
any recommendation which build is easier to get into?
polar rampart
but about equally easy to get into
scarlet orbit
They are not that different to play. Would say just try both and play that one where you have more fun. It doesnt really matter in most keyranges
blazing pumice
just play bleed
verbal lance
appreciate it, ty
nova shadow
by far
unborn fulcrum
boys what's the viable builds in 16+?
been playing the bleed build the entire season, looking to see if there's alternatives
candid nacelle
anyone know how to import Whispyrs plater pandemic glow?
waxen oyster
bleed still
waxen oyster
in lower keys
always was
candid ocean
Just switching over to assa from sub, is this whispyr guy legit? I looked and he isn't even 3k io. Am i looking at the wrong character?
blazing pumice
kek
unborn fulcrum
the coach doesn't play bro
candid ocean
Do any of the top assa guys stream and theorycraft?
blazing pumice
what does it matter
waxen oyster
who wants to tell him average guidewriter doesnt play at the highest content
since forever
candid ocean
it just seems like all the top assa guys aren't playing whispyrs talents, like is it even accurate?
unborn fulcrum
Do any of the top assa guys stream and theorycraft?
you can find casualaddict's vods on his youtube channel
candid ocean
or just copy paste what murlok io guys are doing?
unborn fulcrum
loads of other top rogues stream
waxen oyster
because it doesnt mean they’re the best
waxen oyster
just means time commitment
blazing pumice
not a game you theorycraft
these guys are top players because they are good at the game and play a lot
not because they have quantum computers in their brains that they are processing builds with
digital stirrup
@candid ocean watch shindig, he plays bleed and was 3.6+ last season
He also listenes to what whisper says for theorycrafts
candid ocean
im just trying to figure out what talents to run so i can play... I'm not saying you have to be good to theorycraft
candid ocean
ty @digital stirrup