assassination

[haughty flicker]

[normal mist]

In game

[slim copper]

oh i did. And then the healer whispered me and told me how bad i am that I died to unavoidable damage. Suck my entire ass.

[strange sleet]

did u use feint/evasion/cloak?

[rotund oak]

bold to assume feint is on the bars

[vernal gate]

is there any benefit to pressing ambush as the last gcd of subterfuge?

[spice spire]

Feint is on PTT

[strange sleet]

what's ptt

[spice spire]

Push to talk

[coral ibex]

quake would use PTT

he's not a hot mic andy

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

I’m not a hot mic Andy

Never will be

[coral ibex]

what if george had something to say

[spice spire]

My button pressing has been described as violent

[coral ibex]

can't let that out into the public

[spice spire]

He does often

[coral ibex]

dude i bet george comms are bis for raid

[spice spire]

Nah it’s usually him being startled and me accidentally pressing ptt so it’s just him like yelling in everyone’s ear

[rotund oak]

ur boy doesnt look like a yapper

does he yap?

[spice spire]

Desk is by my bed During raid he lays on bed so everyone here’s it

No

But if he hears a knock or something at the door

He’s inconsolable

[rotund oak]

my boy is yappin' still but slowly finds his peace

will take time

[barren yarrow]

So I saw some earlier use !chainpull and what I’m getting at is basically we sometimes can’t vanish to spread bleeds? So feel bad or not it’s just what it is?

[slim copper]

or the healer could heal a bit lol cloak and feint were on cd

[red schooner]

My cat sleeps on top of my computer and the snoring can be heard on discord sometimes.

[spice spire]

Correct

[spice spire]

George also snores and can be heard. He’s ridiculous though

[balmy condor]

but you're hot when you're on the mic'

[spice spire]

I’m not

Hate my voice a lot lmfso

[balmy condor]

I'm in hell

[rotund oak]

your cat owns you now,you did this to yoursef

[slim copper]

is this maplestory!?

[balmy condor]

indeed

[red schooner]

I managed to tweak my audio settings to exclude the snoring and the guild asked for it back

[slim copper]

havent played that game since i was 8

[balmy condor]

tanjiro haunting me

[rotund oak]

ok you are all disturbed in there

[sonic schooner]

[red schooner]

ye probably

[balmy condor]

very different now

[solemn atlas]

I've been trying the bleed build, but im confused on rotation. Will wowhead update the rotation guide

[balmy condor]

classic wow is closer to current wow than old maplestory compared to now

[balmy condor]

rotation is the same

[solemn atlas]

Do i just send shiv on pull now that i have 2 charges of it. Or does it matter when i use shiv

[balmy condor]

in aoe for arterial, still 2 for deathmark, otherwise whenever

[solemn atlas]

Oh i send 2 shives before deathmark does it stack or smth

[balmy condor]

no

you want them during deathmark, just like normal

[solemn atlas]

Ah ok

[sonic zinc]

for raid, do we always just do normal st raid build, and swap to caustic for any fights with adds

[red schooner]

Pure ST for lockensprocket
The crimson tempest build for stix
Spatter build for every other boss

[sonic zinc]

aight

[whole stratus]

Guys is the bleed build really a bleed build if you don't take Internal Bleeding over Caustic Spatter in keys 😮 😮

[low thicket]

I run caustic for everything except sprocket

[jaunty basin]

during raid and mplus when it comes to the envenom overlap capping at 2 and say its a lust phase or we just have heaps of energy should we hold the envenom strike until one falls off or always send them but just make sure to have at leastt one up at all times

[agile wedge]

did my first test as sin on gally hc, can somebody help me improve please

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lkfw3BCXrMj6TKvd?fight=17&type=casts&source=679&view=timeline

[sonic zinc]

hm im not seeing anyone play CT on stix

[proud basin]

whats the command for the wa?

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[proud basin]

❤️

[quartz kelp]

do we have anything to deal with this weeks affix or is it just a blind/kidney/cheapshot angle

[sonic schooner]

what the affix?

the ball thing to cc?

[quartz kelp]

yea

[red schooner]

I thought that was the play as listed in the guide, mostly due to a large number of adds so the tempest ends up being a ST increase on the boss as well.

[sonic schooner]

well u only have blind, but on a target, not on a ball itself

or else it doesnt spread

u can also kick

but dont press ks / cs on it, m+ is a team game

and plenty specs have 3 times your toolkit to do them, dw that much

[quartz kelp]

yea just feels weird coming from monk

basically sitting on the cuck chair cheering my team on

[red schooner]

If you run iron wire and shit really hits the fan you can vanish/garrotte spam but like, this is in a 'your entire team beefed it and you're fucked if you don't do this situation', so basically never.

[sonic schooner]

welcome to rogue, be happi a year earlier you wouldnt have mass blind and just be useless piece of garbo shit

actual handicap class to a team

[low thicket]

CC balls? Na I'll let the team do that 🙂

[red schooner]

We don't bring big utility but we bring big bleed

and what more do you need in life

[quartz kelp]

more bleed

[red schooner]

why do you think i run internal bleeding

[low thicket]

I make them bleed.

[red schooner]

poisons are a crutch for the weak ALL BLEED BAYBEE

[low thicket]

Because blood is life. Wait wrong class.

[whole stratus]

Im with you on that one. I will run Internal Bleeding in next key to help protest against all poison builds

[sonic schooner]

blood is life is better bleed

[haughty flicker]

turns out we were the real sanlayn all along

[sonic schooner]

assa need that

now

[red schooner]

nah give us dk's blood beast

wait is that the same spell

shit

[haughty flicker]

yes

lol

[red schooner]

i don't know dk i thought it was a separate thing

i only play rogue and feral druid if it isn't direct bleeds i ain't fucking interested

[sonic schooner]

they only have 4 buttons

[low thicket]

Lets just steal their hero talent tree. We're rogues we can just steal stuff right?

[sonic schooner]

all the other stuff is procs

[red schooner]

i've not tried dk since wotlk like fuck do i know how those fuckers work

[whole stratus]

Anyone got a rupture WA that shows number of enemies its applied to and how many total enemies is in range?

[sonic schooner]

zerocool have one like that

idk if it s public somehwere

[whole stratus]

yup thats where i saw it:D

I figured it would be handy especially with the bleed build!

[balmy condor]

more weakaura packs will track scent stacks

could just use that

[whole stratus]

True, I could look for that too. Let's see

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[lunar lotus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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[lunar lotus]

dur

[neon lodge]

Hey guys, is bloodmallet showing the true valor of seaforium?

[haughty flicker]

i think its stolen valor tbh

[west crown]

anyone come across a bug where your shadowstep just breaks and won't cast?

[neon lodge]

I'm watching assa logs and no one in the top 100 have the junkmaestro mega magnet

And i've got it on MM and i'm wondering if seaforium on hc is better

[hidden bay]

Sim yourself

[tall atlas]

CLASS TUNING

we are safe

[turbid lion]

lmao

[neon lodge]

The sim says than junkmaestro it's better but i don't think that no one of the top 100 assa rogues has the mega magnet

[west crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[rancid wind]

Rogues untouched in tuning? Clearly a dead class

[red cloak]

i got 2 real quick questions, does it matter if you press deathmark or kingsbane first? and i just need a reminder that its fine to pool energy for a while as long as ur bleeds are ticking in single target bc i feel like without deathmark kingsbane i do no damage. very much skill issue i know, just need little tips

[runic hinge]

I’m just happy we didn’t get nerfed tbh

[west crown]

deathmark - > kingsbane always

[red cloak]

okay cool, deathmark then kingsbane

[west crown]

pooling energy isn't really a big thing in raid unless you pool a little for a kingsbane with no deathmark

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor patchnotes, can we get a slowmode

nothing rogue related at all, but you know how it works

[red cloak]

maybe its bc i am doing pretty much only m+ but i run out of energy really fast during the bosses with less or no adds. maybe im spamming mutilate too much but thats really all i got

[royal lantern]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[red cloak]

making sure im not missing something blatant

welp that explains it lmao

[west crown]

there is a new small optimization with bleed build in m+ and that is to stay above 50% energy as much as possible

but minor

[red cloak]

for sanguine blades? i try to keep rupture spread for energy regen

[dapper cradle]

what do you guys think of the rogue changes?

[west crown]

[red cloak]

does this mean the ST damage in m+ is kinda mid?

[swift bluff]

I mean rogue really might be the most balanced across the three specs I’ve seen in 10 years

[royal lantern]

three specs?

[swift bluff]

I’ve had all theee come into keys with me and smash when I tank

[balmy condor]

assa st in m+ is notoriously bad

[split veldt]

bleeds feel so pog until you get to a boss

then youre like

[red cloak]

okay thanks i feel a little better about it now lmao

[split veldt]

[red cloak]

fr

[split veldt]

but man, im beating like everyone in overall now

just trash boss damage

[balmy condor]

I mean it's better than getting to a boss in hybrid and then hitting envenom and kingsbane and still not doing damage

[split veldt]

lol true

bosses feel not too terrible if you have lust

but no lust, big sadge

[wicked mica]

I wouldnt even say its trash, i'd say its just slightly below average now, which is a big improvement

[royal lantern]

right now its just in m+

if you want big consistent aoe dmg, you play assa, but your boss dmg is kinda meh

if you want stronger boss dmg you play sub, but the aoe dmg is lower

i refuse to acknowledge outlaws existence (same as "niche" as sub)

its why rogue is not a GIGA META OMG MUST PICK!!!!! class rn, cus the specs that are that are just great at everything, rogue kinda has to decide to be good at 1 thing but then is mediocre at the other

[devout fiber]

Hey guys so to confirm, if I am doing a key less than 10, I go:

Otherwise I go to the far left o nrogue tree?

[red cloak]

this is the one i use, i think its the basic one right?

[plush isle]

And its pretty braindead and fun, just vanish at 35% to apply new dots and shiv, maybe deathmark if you have the option. No Kingsbane Rage when the last 2-3 Ticks don't Crit.

[royal lantern]

KB crits where not a problem for ages now

• skill issue, just crit bozo

[devout fiber]

@balmy condor

[royal lantern]

[red cloak]

reading rn

[devout fiber]

no but

whispyr siad

in his video

u can go diff route for anytrhing belo 10

[royal lantern]

theoretically yeha sure, there is some weird "no thistle tea and stuff" cooking

but also like

if you do keys bellow 10, why care abou your talents tbh

stuff is kinda dying in 10seconds there anyway

[red cloak]

to get better for the people who are not at the 10 or higher level yet

[hidden bay]

Play without talents

[devout fiber]

i am currently doing lower tiers so i can get the currency for it

to upgrade gear

hence why i was asking

[strange sleet]

honestly ST dmg is not even THAT bad with bleeds

[balmy condor]

if you want to, sure

[royal lantern]

its mediocre

the thing is that other do the same/more aoe while also doing more boss dmg

hence why they are meta

in the end, the specs that do the most dmg in all situations are the meta specs

[strange sleet]

nah they are meta because they do insane dmg and have utility

[red cloak]

can someone explain why rets are allowed to be nukes in pretty much everything? from what ive seen anyway

[swift bluff]

Not in ST

[versed gulch]

Rets ST is bad too.

[strange sleet]

and no prio

[swift bluff]

They’re anus in m+ ST

[strange sleet]

ret fucking sucks

[royal lantern]

utility is often kiiiinda a cope

utility makes a spec that is strong number wise even better

utility doesnt make a spec that does low numbers suddenly good

[plush isle]

Some "Meta" Speccs doesn't work any Keys below 12 because everything is dead in like 10-15 Sec.

[wispy apex]

Do you hold vanish for below 35% or use it with deathmark with bleed build?

[plush isle]

frontloaded damage

[royal lantern]

frontloaded burst with low cds

[strange sleet]

I mean, look at boomie. It's always fucking great even tho ST is gargabe too

[royal lantern]

ret presses wake of ashes+divine storm and blew their entire load in 2 seconds (just like me when i see quake fr)

[swift bluff]

Honestly feels like everyone that excels at AOE still has modest to better than Ret. Maining Ret is painful cuz you’re literally just trying to cope on trash. You know that when it comes to ST boss fights you just gotta do your best. It’s not gonna be sexy

Wet noodle

[strange sleet]

And still double ret is one of the most played m+ comps

[plush isle]

Do you play with 2 Vanishes, do you expect the boss to live longer than 1,5 min ?

[swift bluff]

Yea it’s very easy to pick up, lore fantasy, it’s fast, explosive AOE. You have so much niche utility that doesn’t break rotation severely

[plush isle]

everyone and their mother playes retribution, of course it has a high representation, but no one in high keys playes retri.

[swift bluff]

That’s the big pro

[red cloak]

oh shit so do you vanish shiv for zoldyck?

[strange sleet]

yes, so it's a great spec tbh

not meta

but very nice to have

[swift bluff]

Yea

[red cloak]

whats the most played spec? i think ret is close to top

[strange sleet]

also you are pretty mucha a ranged spec playing as ret

so unfair

[swift bluff]

That’s just it. If you can get past the poor boss damage, or hope for godly timing/4set procs. You just maximize everything else

[strange sleet]

I also feel ret is better at ST than in s1

so it's not sooo bad

[plush isle]

Ret is the most played spec with 7.9% of all Keys, next is Disc with 5.6%

[red cloak]

christ

that makes me sick

[royal lantern]

the biggest painpoint of ret is that you are literally the most replaceable MF in the universe

200000000000000000000000000000 Ret brains exist, spec is dumbed down so much that dmg wise there is near 0 skill ceiling, if you are not the highest number you are just a faceless idiot in a endless wave of ret brains

[red cloak]

thats pretty much how i felt but i never bothered looking it up lol

and the ones i see never use their utility except to bubble themself

[strange sleet]

ret is the mele BM

[swift bluff]

That 4set is really nice when you’re able to rip off a chain of final verdicts. But I do agree. Also Herald doesn’t feel strong in ST either. Maybe numbers say otherwise

[red cloak]

"melee"

[sharp viper]

pugs do, my guild has a few ret paladins that actually use utility AND off healing on other targets

[plush isle]

If you raise the key level the percentage of rets drops hard. Looks like many people play a ret-alt, seems to be a fun specc, front loaded damage, short cd, not to much thinking, hugh survivability etc.

[swift bluff]

Yea that’s what sets apart good to great ones.

Seamless utility usage

Maximizing bops, LOH, Sacs

[swift bluff]

Agreed. Always come back to Rogue. Been this way for 10 years for me now

[haughty flicker]

im really good at managing sacs

[sharp viper]

feels great to have an actually good ret paladin on your team

[red cloak]

ayooo....

[haughty flicker]

just ask @spice spire

[royal lantern]

our mandatory ret brain on Stix prog heared that 3 ranged dps got balls, and decided to run outside and fucking obliterate 3 range bombs by himself with all cds

actual giga chad ret player at that moment

first time i ever saw a ret player do something besides slamming divine storm

[red cloak]

LOL

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

but yeah for every good ret paladin there are like 20 who decided BM hunter rotation was too complex

[red cloak]

im really glad i checked this discord cuz i was using the kingsbane DTB build still thanks

[haughty flicker]

good rets are actually based

[royal lantern]

all 4 of them

[haughty flicker]

love playing with a good ret player

but yeah most are not good ret players

including myself

[fallen moss]

hey all, just downloaded whispyr's plater and dont see the deathstalker's mark border. is this something additional?

[haughty flicker]

i dont bop shit when i play ret i just press divine storm

[glass relic]

Love rets who pressed divine storm on the necromancers in wake what a vibe

[wind flume]

It’s blacklisted in that preset. You have to go into player settings and remove it from the black list

[sharp viper]

@haughty flicker 1/20

[haughty flicker]

although i did save a wipe on smolderon by pressing sac+loh on someone who got hit by flame

[strange sleet]

imagine being aware of party HP and incoming damage while playing ret

[red cloak]

why do we take improved ambush over tight spender? and follow the blood over momentum of despair? just asking so i know why its better

[bronze pike]

no rogue buffs

outlaw has fallen

[spice surge]

Because blindside makes you ambush more

[royal lantern]

energy is not a problem in aoe, and you play blindside aka you get ambush procs

[red cloak]

that makes perfect sense thanks

[plush isle]

When we where at Ovinax and had Problems with our Singletarget to fast kill him before the Second Eggs in "Phase 3" we had to explain to our Ret that her Damage on the Parasites was not needed if she could please stop using Storm and push her Singletarget Output, of course her Log wasn't gonna be Purple, but we had 2 Warriors and 2 Frostdk's. Couldn't understand this even if her life depend on it. Next Week we had a Warrior less so she could AOE her Way through the fight.

[royal lantern]

follow the blood buffs crimson tempest and works with sudden demise, and crimson tempest is a big part of your dmg in Bleed Build

[red cloak]

okay so the flat 30% buff is better than the damage and crit buff from momentum

[strange sleet]

I think it's similar in the sims, but that buff empowers Sudden Demise

[royal lantern]

kinda cus bleed build gets bigger Sudden Demise hits, and Sudden Demise doesnt calculates Crits

[coral ibex]

show background

[royal lantern]

normaly the crit talent is better

cus crit is good and more cp and more dmg

but bleed build just made Sudden Demise "execute" better and follow the blood works with it

[strange sleet]

Ye. Enjoy while you can

[red cloak]

so when do i vanish now?

[coral ibex]

in ST just to recover a lost mark

[spice surge]

All the gameplay differences are mentioned in the pin

[red cloak]

oh sorry

[spice surge]

If its not mentioned, its the same as before

[coral ibex]

oh for bleed

ignore me

[royal lantern]

in m+?

re-applying bleeds fast in aoe if needed most of the time

Raids vanish kinda EXISTS rn

[red cloak]

yeah i just changed off the KB DTB build to the arterial one

for m+

[strange sleet]

I like not having to vanish for MA in raid tbh

[plush isle]

Rick Reapply after Phase Drop, Cauldron if you didn't watch out in the Clash Phase

[royal lantern]

tbf, if you applied a mark somewhere before the rick intermission, its still there after it

and on cauldron is legit a skill issue if you mess it up, like thats HARD to mess up

but i know what you mean

[plush isle]

yeah all personal fails, but it has it's niche use atm.

[royal lantern]

dont get me wrong, im also vanish->ambush after rick intermission cus im a smoothbrain

[visual linden]

Hey, Are poisons Buffed by DH' Chaos Brand

[balmy condor]

yes

all damage that isn't physical

[visual linden]

Thanks

[wanton vine]

wheres the kingsbane buff :<

[visual linden]

was arguing with a friend

[red cloak]

i think i like not using kingsbane

[gray hazel]

WTB ST buffs

[hidden bay]

Wdym buffs

Rogue is pretty ok right now

[uneven plume]

This was a strict m+ tuning

And they said blizz don’t care about m+

Funniest to me was people trying to convince me that blood is life was gonna remain the same till end of season

Surely

[royal lantern]

yeha sure lol

[hallow glade]

in m+, how does bleed build compare to fire for pi?

[buoyant herald]

dunno if thats answerable but assass is a very good PI target with bleed build

[vivid mulch]

Really?

how

I thought PI for rogue was ass

[balmy condor]

bleeds are hasted

[coral ibex]

turns out when most of your damage comes from sources that benefit from haste, PI is good

[balmy condor]

bleeds doing a majority of your damage

[vivid mulch]

Ah ok

Yeah i see that now

[balmy condor]

those are using builds that doesn't really reflect dungeon setups most of the time to be fair

the bloodmallet charts are great for single target

[vivid mulch]

Ok so its actually better than on this chart

[balmy condor]

but TC's have to go out of their way to submit alternate builds for m+/aoe/cleave

much better, yes

[vivid mulch]

Good to know, i'll tell my next priest >:)

[balmy condor]

for reference, fire here is 3.8%, unholy/survival are 5.3%

bleed build single target is 5.7%

now granted of course that's 5.7% of bad st

but PI is gud

on this 5 target chart, marksmanship actually has a submitted aoe build, so that's close to accurate

they're gaining 451k

bleed is around 340k

[vivid mulch]

Damn ok

[balmy condor]

so definitely not like MUST PI, probably still put it on the DK for giga pulls

[sharp viper]

PI good

[balmy condor]

but it's not a slouch

[fleet pagoda]

haste orb emblishment is simming kinda decent for me in dslice for bleed

[blazing kettle]

switched to the bleed build finally and when i went to parse on dummies my game broke lmao not sure if its a good or bad sign

[spice surge]

Wtf is the haste orb

[fleet pagoda]

storm rook thing

[balmy condor]

the what now

[fleet pagoda]

"Fury of the Stormrook"

[balmy condor]

oh

is that the stupid 2 piece embellishment set

[fleet pagoda]

yeah

[balmy condor]

hate that for you bestie

[fleet pagoda]

got my fix with witherbark, i'd rather take the two dawnthread

[balmy condor]

yeah crafting an embellishment set bonus into a tier slot and then playing chase the orb

not the move

[fleet pagoda]

and there's the chance it'd have the same issue affix boons have, where you get it at the end of a pull

so the uptime on it is moot anyways

[blazing kettle]

i have question: im finding that my ramp dmg in single target is not getting as high as others on logs. not really sure what the problem is.. procs are similar, i have house of cards and pacemaker and i can hold dmg inbetween the dmg window. been trying to parse more on dummies and it still doesn't really get above 2.5-3mil. i know it's likely a complicated answer but any tips would be appreciated

[balmy condor]

do you have logs

[blazing kettle]

ya i can send

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/90672350 for anyone else

[sudden kelp]

Is this supposed to be a helmet falling off?

[haughty flicker]

its an eyepatch

[bitter solar]

its an eyepatch

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[slate crown]

I appreciate this interpretation.

It's wrong, clearly wrong

But I appreciate it nonetheless

[outer plinth]

guys what do you do on higher theater of pain keys on the first pull ? do you use your cds on the bloodhorn or boss and waste shiv for the raging tantrum? i cant find any assasination povs for this key

[uneven plume]

you do your normal 4 target rotation and send cds on bloodhorn

soothe doesnt matter

bloodhorn does 0 damage

jsut annoying

[outer plinth]

yeah thats what im thinking aswell

[steel sable]

is the dungeon slice sim a good indication which trinket is better between the mechano core amp and the pacemaker? amp is beating it by a lot larger margin now

[balmy condor]

probably

amp giving you haste probably

haste is good

most people have none

[still steppe]

i think im missing the rogue buffs in patch notes surely they update it again later

[pliant remnant]

What's a rogue?

[digital stirrup]

How come mutilate/rupture in 3 targets take prio over fok even with follow the blood talented? More consistent CP or dmg or both?

[balmy condor]

blindside

[haughty flicker]

oh wtf im supposed to be pressing mut in 3t

my inability to read strikes again

[digital stirrup]

In aoe it shows using shiv with deathmark (if 2 charges) then again right before vanish/reapply bleeds. When you were talking about saving til 35%hp for execute in the video would you hold that shiv before vanish? Or send a 3rd shiv into one big pull?

[balmy condor]

I mean it depends on what you're simming

sims will hold for 35%

[digital stirrup]

More real world m+ scenario to make things flow the best

Would you just send with each vanish in general?

[balmy condor]

sure I guess

[cloud basin]

Do we know what head enchant we taking yet lol?

[hidden bay]

doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

given they just buffed all of them by nearly 200% like 30 min ago

no fucking clue lmao

[hidden bay]

cool people play twilight devastation cuz it has cool visuals

[balmy condor]

absolute fucking clown show

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

they're probably all roughly around 2.5% now

[polar rampart]

is really just corruption skins fr

[balmy condor]

and it won't matter for shit which you pick for 0.1% diff

just having any of them will be 98% of the way there

and they're timegated anyway so can't get the good enchants for another like 5? weeks after the patch

maybe blizzard tuning them by another 3 quintillion % in that time

who knows

[digital stirrup]

Whichever one has the biggest aoe possible

[polar rampart]

oo the wait will make it extra fun

[balmy condor]

the blizzard classic of adding a system that's watered down from when it was first added and then making the rewards just generic stats/damage procs and they're all kinda shit

[haughty flicker]

I mean the only correct answer is twilight dev because it looks cooler

[balmy condor]

but they don't bother doing the math on any of it

[cloud basin]

Gushing wound it is then cuz fuck it

[balmy condor]

so then it rots on the PTR for like 6 weeks

[tall atlas]

Could you or someone sexy like you do a key with commentary on and just talk about your decisions you’re making during the key visavi cds when to spread when to not when to /dance

[ancient pendant]

if i do have unholy in my party, it is better to give him PI instead of bleed rogue?

[hidden bay]

back on carapace of nzoth man, all the adds spawn

[balmy condor]

and then they emergency tune everything by a billion%

[hidden bay]

and you see your twilight devastation go BRRRRRRRRR

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

maybe in the future yeh

[balmy condor]

in giga pulls probably yeah

[ancient pendant]

and if not giga we are doing more dps?

[balmy condor]

it's possible yeah

[ancient pendant]

i mean first pull with BL probably DK, but next pulls?

ty, will try ❤️

[balmy condor]

probably a toss up depending on who has cds and what the scary mob is

like you do more prio

[tall atlas]

Nice. I just dk if I’m spreading bleeds too much or too little sometimes

[balmy condor]

so if there's something that needs to die, maybe worth giving the rogue pi

[tall atlas]

Thank you whis

[balmy condor]

but it's all pretty whatever

just give the PI to someone I guess

[haughty flicker]

Or don’t

And be gigachad

[tall atlas]

If you’re on a boss and rogue has cds in execute 100% do the rogue

[night flame]

outlaw or assassin better at low gear?
i got 2pc and 638 ilvl and only pulling 1.2M in a floodgate and unsure if i'm just chit or if it takes gear to overcome it

[azure dirge]

did they disable shadowstep?

cant use the damn thing

ignore, fixed irt

[blazing kettle]

new bleed build is fun, just did it and saw an immediate change in dps

[vivid mulch]

Just stay assassin if thats what you are

[lost wharf]

I think Assa is better at low gear

[fleet pagoda]

singular focus; second highest dps source on first boss of DFC i'm being rewarded for padding

[night flame]

I'm outlaw currently

but just feels off

[low thicket]

Ass is better. True.

[vivid mulch]

Yeah go sin

[mint valve]

for the sacrifical pyre in priory

if you soak it using cloak

do you still get a stack of the debuff?

[balmy condor]

yes

it removes stacks, it doesn't prevent adding them

[mint valve]

yeah i thought that was weird. i got fucked. ok

[formal talon]

is anyone really good good at simming? im having trouble with my charecter and its saying that no neck piece out there is bettter than my current champion one

[balmy condor]

I'm kinda decent at simming I guess

[formal talon]

could i give you my simc input?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[dapper cradle]

how good are you at stimming though?

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-heere-jeremy-jeremy-stimming-stim-stimming-gif-11286936946067286757

[balmy condor]

I'm the scat man

the song, not poop

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[vivid mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1278044097596096632/4x.gif

[haughty flicker]

[dapper cradle]

bro built like a toddler on anavar

[haughty flicker]

i had to look that one up

not good

[snow hamlet]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[snow hamlet]

Why my imp gar+mater build leads VV by about 0.6%? did I make a mistake somewhere?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oqL21em3dNz1gxA2gVgCU7

[balmy condor]

there was a slight bug in sims that was over-valuing the deathstalker mark

so VV took a small hit

[haughty flicker]

rip

[runic hinge]

Hmm. Flexibility with vanish or .6% dps

[balmy condor]

yeh

VV is still +0.2% on my character

but I guess with diffy gear or whatever it can change

dunno

[haughty flicker]

me will sim later

[balmy condor]

I didn't think it mattered from when I looked

[woeful galleon]

is dungeon slice fighting style good for m+ sims

[balmy condor]

but seems that some people are impacted

[balmy condor]

yes

[woeful galleon]

for sin rogue

[runic hinge]

I’ll check mine when I’m home I’ve got giga haste maybe that matters

[fleet pagoda]

i'll sim mine because i have nothing better to do

[runic hinge]

Gotta put that raidbots sub to use

[haughty flicker]

i'll do a gem sim too

just to really boil the ocean

[hollow river]

[runic hinge]

I haven’t simmed gems in a hot minute

[woeful galleon]

damn whats this new build here

no more dtb?

[coral ibex]

[woeful galleon]

and blindside

I never seen blindside in a m+ build before this is interesting

[balmy condor]

yeah insane new build technology

that has existed since november of 2023

and is just slightly better now because of recent buffs

[woeful galleon]

is it bugged in sims?

[balmy condor]

what

no

[woeful galleon]

oo shi

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f93GxJgXUYGHfX9bWhdBPE

[haughty flicker]

you thought the same about deathstalker mark

[woeful galleon]

I got like 200k dps from this build

[balmy condor]

incorrect, knew it was bugged and it just got fixed today :)

[thorn thorn]

There is something I really wanna post in response to this but I dont wanna get banned

[woeful galleon]

is wow analyzer bad for m+ logs?

[haughty flicker]

fair enough

[balmy condor]

wowanalyzer is just bad

it's very barebones

if you're like completely new to the spec and not pressing garrote

it's incredible

[woeful galleon]

I used to keep wondering why I can't break minimal dps

[balmy condor]

otherwise it's pretty much a waste of server space

[haughty flicker]

vv stonks still stable

[balmy condor]

ye

idk, very weird

[woeful galleon]

I noticed vers been simming high once crit capped for m+ and haste sims better for raiding

[balmy condor]

only thing that tells me is you've been simming hybrid in m+ and haste sucks, and you have basically nothing but crit/mast equipped so raid build is asking for haste cause haste is good

[dapper cradle]

crit cap

[woeful galleon]

for my patchwerk sims I have technically full crit mast gear but its just telling me to get more vers instead it looks and haste https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hyaW3M4zb1eMTAdjCad69Y

[balmy condor]

sure

[haughty flicker]

[woeful galleon]

but blindside finally in m+ is so hype that got me excited

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-cat-dance-cute-cat-dance-ai-cat-gif-15064057413633942575

(real btw not edited)

[balmy condor]

AI could never

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/mango-cat-dance-ai-dancing-cat-gif-4373280976266621514

[dapper cradle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1150724542390612050/1239568607109845072/trim.D07D4360-1495-4E87-9BF3-2F0B504FD4CA.gif?=&width=382&height=528

[woeful galleon]

does this build focus more on add damage than boss damage for m+?

[balmy condor]

not really

it's slightly more boss damage and slightly more prio damage

[woeful galleon]

ima try it out rn in a quick 11 flood

farming pacemaker is a bitch

[balmy condor]

if anything it's focusing on single target more because it's worse in 3-4 target compared to hybrid

[woeful galleon]

since we run SS is it still ok to dump finishers at 5 combo points?

[balmy condor]

not sure what you mean by still ok

you have to finish on 5 or more for deathstalker mark

[woeful galleon]

ya true

o wtf and we dont run kingsbane

[balmy condor]

that is the whole point of the build yes

you take the red talents and avoid the green ones

[haughty flicker]

avoid green talent got it

[balmy condor]

okay

well

that's a good green talent

[woeful galleon]

ya kingsbane is red icon

[balmy condor]

okay man look

it's philosophical

the eternal struggle between green and red

[woeful galleon]

avoid poison talents

[dapper cradle]

better than atrophic?

[balmy condor]

what in gods name

[cerulean nest]

@slate crown hey I did some WA profiling last night and noticed your envenom bars one was a little resource heavy. I have the latest version but wondered if that was a common thing?

[runic hinge]

Seabiscuit poison

[buoyant herald]

SoD things i think

[gusty mirage]

I'm more of an occult poison kinda guy

[dapper cradle]

sod players unironically eating good

they got a whole ass new raid

[haughty flicker]

ngl that actually does kind of make me want to try it

the new raid not the weird poison

[balmy condor]

it's more resource heavy than a normal icon weakaura would be, but it's not really concerning or anything

[dapper cradle]

scarlet monastery lore is so sick

they've scaled up to like WOTLK damage already

at 60 with all the crazy powers

[strange python]

I fucking despise classic and watching that raid makes me wanna play it

It’s really good

[tidal laurel]

hey peeps. first night of running the bleed build. slowly getting the hang of it. but would anyone be able to double check this run to see what i might be missing?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7dKhZbrGR4xnt3PD?fight=last&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

seems normal from a glance

[haughty flicker]

thats mythic not normal

[balmy condor]

I will kick your teeth in so god damn hard you'll be able to give me more gums than your mother

[haughty flicker]

[west crown]

your first deathmark is 5 mins into the key at first glance

[tidal laurel]

that one i was waiting for the second pull since it was the largest with the shredder

[balmy condor]

wait true

6 casts of deathmark in a 24 minute key

hold the fucking phone

what are we doin

[tidal laurel]

<.<

[balmy condor]

famed 4 min cooldown

could've used way more shivs as well

28 shivs in 24 min

is barely under 1 min

for a 30s cooldown

you used blind more than vanish?

okay yeah this is a wild log

hit your cooldowns man

you're starting the key with 2 charges of vanish and then by the end of the key you only used it 4 times

[tidal laurel]

yeah i has no excuse for that one... <.<

i still have much to learn...

[balmy condor]

just slam them

like if you're in aoe, slam shiv

hit deathmark on the biggest dude in the group

[sacred schooner]

true best advice just spam on cd

dont hold it

[tidal laurel]

i have a really bad habbit of doing that..

i have to break that

[sacred schooner]

without enough exp you will just waste it

[balmy condor]

if you're ever on 2 charges of shiv or 2 charges of vanish, don't be

like make a huge weakaura if you're at max stacks that screams "HEY DUMBSHIT PRESS CDS"

and if you forget, keep making it bigger

and bigger

and bigger

[haughty flicker]

wait thats a good idea

[sacred schooner]

use cd every pack dont overthink

haha

[balmy condor]

that's what I did

[tidal laurel]

i shall work on that WA as well. and keep pushing these cds

[night bison]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[sacred schooner]

yeah dont overthink just press on cd

[tidal laurel]

for some reason, DM and trinkets never pop at the same time...

[runic hinge]

A wise raccoon once told me, use cds on cd and if a boss dies and you didn’t have cds for it. You didn’t need them.

[haughty flicker]

real

[sacred schooner]

they will return once anyway

sometimes twice 😄

[placid mist]

anyone know the spell id for lingering darkness? trying to make a weakaura to track it easier

couldn't find it on wowhead

[balmy condor]

should be 457273 I think

[placid mist]

perfect, thank you!

[night bison]

is bleed build better in ST now?

[gusty mirage]

That’s because death mark is on the GCD

So you probably popped the macro mid GCD and trinket shot off while death mark couldn’t

[woeful galleon]

@balmy condor I was doing 5 mil overalls that is one sexy mf build bro

[tidal laurel]

so macro with trink and potion?

[static glacier]

So wait a second

[hasty gate]

is there a bug with 3 star temp pots macro wont use 3 star

[static glacier]

You’re telling me stormbringer can get buffs including aoe when it was already competitive in keys but they won’t let us have boss damage

Or even throwing a bone to fatebound

[slim copper]

LESSSGOOOOOO

hell of a night for parses

only normal but still 😄

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Where fatebound buffs

[spice spire]

Gz

[slim copper]

i know its underwhelming because its normal im still proud of it haah

[spice spire]

You should be king

Don’t let anyone make you feel like less

[buoyant herald]

gotta start somewhere man

[vivid mulch]

whats your gear looking like?

[slate crown]

It's because I have to re-create an entire backend of information because of like 3 separate bugs with envenom making it impossible rely on the base data. Also what whispyr said

[wicked mica]

Question. I was doing cauldron of carnage earlier and noticed the other rogue had much higher caustic spatter damage. Am I missing something on this fight?

[strange python]

Is he holding cds for the clash maybe

( i didn’t play sin on that boss just a guess)

[wicked mica]

That must be what it is, I didn’t look at the timeline yet

[dawn heath]

Dracthyr rogue thats demonic

easily a 20% dps loss right off the bat in aesthetics

[blazing kayak]

maybe a dumb question but does the 20% from elusiveness stack with the 40% aoe dr as well

so u take 60% less from aoe?

[proud pelican]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[blazing kayak]

ohh nvm i just read it again

[snow hamlet]

no way

[night vessel]

so i tried the new bleed build for the first time yesterday and had a blast in aoe fights but ST seems to be a little low. (was around 1.5m ST in most fights)

[runic hinge]

That’s just assa rogue

It doesn’t really get better

[warm vortex]

Yep

[night vessel]

kk, wondered if it is my fault

first time playing assa since dragonflight

[neat shell]

man is this game dog or rogue devs are dog cant figure out sometimes

how they can miss rogue on class tuning

[runic hinge]

I think I’m happy we didn’t get nerfed tbh

Maybe sub coulda used something

[balmy condor]

I don't get the "where rogue tuning"

all 3 specs are like

doing good

they're all seeing play in high keys

they're all doing good in raid

whats the issue

just mad cause no changes?

[buoyant herald]

i think thats pretty much it

[slim copper]

662 at time of running normal

[thick solstice]

Hey team, is there anything I am missing during single target with the bleed build? Just feels... kinda bad idk lol

[night vessel]

was asking the same, seems to be normal

but the aoe makes up for it

[balmy condor]

assassination as a whole sucks

bleed build is the best we got

well, except for throwing your aoe in the bin to take supercharger I guess

+2% boss dam pogging

[thick solstice]

Are the numbers good though for bosses? Like I guess what number should I be seeing? lol

[balmy condor]

like 1.3-1.4

[night vessel]

i am an outlaw enjoyer but our comp is struggeling in aoe (arms, balance, bear, resto shaman and outlaw) in 16 brewery, floodgate and mostly priory

so i have to play sin in those dungeons

[buoyant herald]

not sure balance should be struggling in aoe

[night vessel]

yeah he is not

but the rest is

[buoyant herald]

but yeah you play for the team

assass is a nice change of pace

im also an outlaw enjoyer but like to change it up, keep it fresh

[night vessel]

yeah for sure and the arms is compensating my lacking st in sin

[static glacier]

it's not that wild to wonder why fatebound hasn't seen any touch ups or deathstalker for sub

Im not saying we're weak, but our alternative hero talent options could either use tuning, qol or both as a class

they seemed to be ok giving dk the alternative hero talent touchups, why not us?

[dawn heath]

Where tuning

[haughty flicker]

im gonna be completely honest i'd rather them completely ignore fatebound until they decide to rework it rather than them just buffing numbers and making us play it

and i think most sub players feel the same about deathstalker

[static glacier]

what's there to really hate about fatebound?

it's kinda bland all things considered

[haughty flicker]

but i do get the argument you're making

[haughty flicker]

thats the point

[static glacier]

mut > env > mut > env

[haughty flicker]

we already have so little going on

[static glacier]

is cool

[haughty flicker]

i dont want even less

but it is not outright offensive like deathstalker sub is

[static glacier]

Im not saying it needs to be dominant

but having it be an option for aoe would be nice

having a burstier option would be cool

issue is atm it really

really

can't compete on aoe

[haughty flicker]

what would you even buff to make it competitive in aoe in its current form i wonder

like i think for it to be competitive in aoe without being completely dominant in st it would need to be reworked

[earnest remnant]

ehh, like id agree if this was just about Assa (cant speak about outlaw cuz i pretend it doesent exist) like assa is in a good spot in both raid and m+ tuning wise its like top 4 on HC 95 percentile and like top 6 on mythic but not that many parses out there yet for full clears so a bit skewered, Sub was doing fcking amazing first 2 weeks in HC statistics but has since gone down from being 1-2 to bottom 6 and is even worse on the half correct mythic statistics, is sub decent ish in keys? id probably say yes, could you however play it as a replacement class for god comps, nah. its fine for title keys tho (which pretty much everything is) you would probably be like 2 or so key levels lower than what the god comp could do with a sub rogue comp.

so i like half agree

sub does need help single target wise

and probably a lil nudge on AoE

[haughty flicker]

sub definitely couldve used a little something

[earnest remnant]

like id love for sub to be like middle of the pack

its the absolute best spot to be in

[barren yarrow]

I was playing sub heavy in the beginning

but I moved back to sin

[neat shell]

iam always mad but we could get little bit more on raid thats it just little bit more. for keys i want nothing.

[haughty flicker]

brother im glad sin didnt get nerfed, we arent getting anything in raid

we are in a very good spot atm

[earnest remnant]

Assa is in like the best spot to be in tuning wise

[haughty flicker]

dont push our luck

[earnest remnant]

not over the top in m+

and like above middle of the pack in raid

[unborn wharf]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[barren yarrow]

Yeah I played sin rogue yesterday on sprocket vs sub and it felt a lot better.

[neat shell]

bro how u guys accept little bread

idont get it

always want more

be greedy

[haughty flicker]

we were greedy in dragonflight

we flew too close to the sun

never again

[barren yarrow]

That’s how your class gets nerfed into the ground. Coughs cough aug voker

[neat shell]

thats our spot always

cause mostly they forget us anyway

[barren yarrow]

what?

we’re probably in the best spot we can be in

[neat shell]

yeah i said it rogue is bastard son

[bright tartan]

hi rogue

[barren yarrow]

Do you remember how EVERYONE wanted a rogue lol

[neat shell]

dont get me wrong i enjoy my spot in raid and keys atm but i wanted little bit more not too much

[runic hinge]

Little more and we’re gonna just get nerfed

[barren yarrow]

yup

[neat shell]

soon that dps chart will be irrelavant when we turn gallwix mythic farm u know

[barren yarrow]

and if you want more dps goto another class lol

[neat shell]

we could get little bit more fun

[barren yarrow]

it’s fun now

[neat shell]

what a easy answer

[barren yarrow]

I mean it’s the truth

[neat shell]

rogue since my first wow day

cant change addicted

i adicted to despair

[barren yarrow]

We just have to take the small wins when we get em

[neat shell]

all i wanted to say this dont accept small win dont take little bread get some more but yeah .

i stop yapping now

we good i wanted more thats it

if no all good

[earnest remnant]

if you always wanna be at the top and arent willing to reroll fotm, you will just make yourself depressed every tier

[barren yarrow]

I mean we don’t decide it anyhow lol blizzard does.

yeah facts.

[earnest remnant]

all i want is being competitive

[barren yarrow]

^

yeah I’d like to keep my roster spot

[spice spire]

buddy I don’t need blizzard to be depressed I’m good with that one as is

[barren yarrow]

I don’t think blizzard is depressed at all

[neat shell]

i dont know that is facts holmes but he is righjt if u are depressing urself i feel mostly just little mad and forget next day

[barren yarrow]

I’m not depressing myself at all lol.

I love being a rogue

[neat shell]

not u

[earnest remnant]

and like assa does that perfect right now, id just wish the same for sub

[neat shell]

what he said

[barren yarrow]

I think sub is competitive. The burst is unmatched.

[neat shell]

we all do yeah for sure

[earnest remnant]

its good at burst padding

not killing bosses

[barren yarrow]

Hey we could be evokers lol

mmm true

[neat shell]

how that chinese managing that sub dream alive ultra padding or something else

[barren yarrow]

idk what they’d do to sub to have that work out in your favor where they don’t take anything away.

[earnest remnant]

the amount of small shitters you can snipe in raid will go down each week as we get more gear

[barren yarrow]

lol, shitters. I mean yeah. More gear will show who’s who.

[earnest remnant]

like WW does the thing sub does

just better

[barren yarrow]

they got giga buffed no?

[earnest remnant]

they got nerfed a few weeks ago

[barren yarrow]

I don’t like how your tier set was reduced.

[earnest remnant]

and are still better

[barren yarrow]

they overshot a lot then with tuning unfortunately.

[neat shell]

that was like %%1 or %2 nerf

they were doing close to sun anyway

not far away now

[earnest remnant]

they went from like 2.9mil sim to 2.7

[barren yarrow]

Yeah not much

[earnest remnant]

think of it this way, both the classes are 1min30

BUT

[neat shell]

they cleave /aoe perfect

[earnest remnant]

ww does more Single target burst

and the same AoE

so like

[neat shell]

when they do ultra st

yeah

[tacit hedge]

Not sure if the bleed build is better, or it being easier that's letting me do a lot more damage in keys than I have before

[neat shell]

i do what my rogue god say @balmy condor

if he says this is the way i follow

[indigo mulch]

[static glacier]

nah, having a 2nd hero tree thats competitive in all encounter types would be better

think dev

thats the spot id want for our specs

[indigo mulch]

I wouldnt mind having to swap hero tree depending on encounter

but like..

There is no point in swapping right now 😄

[static glacier]

Like on pure st you can go fatebound

[indigo mulch]

[static glacier]

But add in extra targets and the lack of FoK / CT benefits

[neat shell]

hahahaha

[static glacier]

The lack of deez nuts

Smh

[neat shell]

fatebound cringe

[static glacier]

It sims very close iirc

[indigo mulch]

Fatebound is garbage. I don't care what the sims say.

[static glacier]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static glacier]

Last tier I used it on some reclears and it was indistinguishable

[indigo mulch]

Yes, the rng is great.

[runic hinge]

It's variance isn't really that bad

[neat shell]

more rng more way to get in coffin

[indigo mulch]

It's still garbage. Why would i play something that has an RNG component that can cause the talents to deal less damage when i can just not do it and do the same damage? O.o

[static glacier]

you guys are really overplaying the rng element

[neat shell]

they need to get rid of this rng mentality from rogue

[static glacier]

you get lucky coin on like all pulls

[indigo mulch]

You don't always get lucky coin in your opener. Sure you get it during the fight, but you don't always have it in your opener.

[static glacier]

here's a real question, have yall played fatebound for over an hour?

[neat shell]

but if i dont get it

[indigo mulch]

Yes.

[static glacier]

1st question is why

[indigo mulch]

Because i don't want to sit here and say something is shit without actually trying it first.

[haughty flicker]

the rng is definitely not as bad as its made out to be

[static glacier]

big respect

2nd question is why do you say its so shit then

[haughty flicker]

people just see gamba and get mad

[indigo mulch]

Yes.

[static glacier]

it's not that different to dn atleast on st which is where you'd consider it

[haughty flicker]

i see fatebound and get bored

[runic hinge]

I got 2100 in solo shuffle as fatebound

[neat shell]

i mean we all tried our hero talents on sime fights yeah

some*

not all maybe some

so fatebound is good in pvp hmmm

[indigo mulch]

Like i said, the numbers might be close, but it dosen't change that there are some variance coming from it when it dosen't have to.

If fatebound was doing more dps, then sure

[static glacier]

variance can be positive

right

you can highroll too

[neat shell]

but what if we make that around somewhere instead getting low or high roll

we just get around roll between them

and cut the rng

[indigo mulch]

If there was that amount of variance, lets say like outlaws RtB, then sure. But its not large enough to risk it.

[golden loom]

Sprocket is also the only pure ST fight

Last tier at least had 2

[static glacier]

i think shit with meaningless aoe is ok too

bloodbound was fine for fatebound, vexie is probably fine too

[golden loom]

Problem is that FB just straight up loses damage in AoE

And DS gains

[static glacier]

ye

thats where they shoulda done something to it

[indigo mulch]

I mean if you like to play fatebound go for it, i'm not going to tell you not too. Its your game time lol. I just find it bad.

[static glacier]

give it some interaction with ct since that spell is GIGAjuiced

[haughty flicker]

yeah even if the aoe is meaningless it being there actively hurts you

the tree is just weird

but so is deathstalker so

[indigo mulch]

I mean we low-rolled on our hero talents this exp. It is what it is.

[golden loom]

Fatebound also has to play coldblood

[indigo mulch]

I mean as soon as they release s3 i'm sure we'll start seeing some leaks. We can only prayage that we get something cool next exp .

[haughty flicker]

cant wait for the hero trees to get hero trees

[indigo mulch]

lmao

Deathstalker+

[indigo totem]

Give us all there hero trees and be done with it. Someone somewhere will disagree anyways

[indigo mulch]

and fatebound delux

They always have such cool concepts of things, but then when they execute them it just feels meh.

:C

On the bright side! I can't wait to have people use Twilight devastation again. Seeing people randomly pull adds in m+

[runic hinge]

[candid goblet]

Can anyone link me to a good Sin guide for 11.1 pve?

[rotund oak]

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[candid goblet]

ty

[runic hinge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2u12HciVivK83HF7eVm2hx

lol

fatebound kinda good

Also imp gar .4% better

[sonic willow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce give me 2 good reasons to not run fatebound in raid on sunday

[vital flicker]

Does every Sin DoT count for Lethal Dose or are there weird exceptions

[keen spruce]

fkin do it

[runic hinge]

I gotta remember what the rules are

But I will

[balmy condor]

They all do, yes

Doomblade and bonespike included

[warm vortex]

Lethal dose my beloved

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm vortex]

Such a cool ability
….

Ok it’s just a numbers increase but I like the idea of it

[red schooner]

Oh hey neat, no patch notes for us, bleed build isn't dead yet

[ebon olive]

Can anyone help me and thell me why he doesnt wanna use my Pacemakler ? And isntead uses magent shit

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uMMmeqkWu9JVdMc9G5fGX8

[runic basin]

do we have any sims bleed vs. "normal"?

[red schooner]

I'm expecting blizz to detect fun and to shut it down

[vale lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162106048136622181/1360527857125687417/Clip_-_4122025_35352_AM.mp4?ex=67fb71ce&is=67fa204e&hm=f9b033627f1faf442e458b9d92d1754a7cec45e4328da2696e052f891fad79a1& anyone have an issue with this boss just randomly killing a group member

[dreamy rover]

I had it happen once in a 15 with my friend

I thought he had gotten hit by the spear

[vale lantern]

this is a seperate time it did it

[dreamy rover]

but he just died

[red schooner]

Magnet is good for us due to it working with lingering darkness

[warm vortex]

I mean

Assa doesn’t need changes in terms of tuning right?

At least it seems p good

[dreamy rover]

nope

[warm vortex]

I mean I wanted BM buffs even if we don’t need them too much

[vale lantern]

ass is fine

[golden loom]

The only thing tuning would have been is either nerfs, or buffs that would lead to future nerfs

good it didnt get touched

[dreamy rover]

sin was fine even before the 3% buffs and buffs to multilate and ambush

[warm vortex]

Yea

[dreamy rover]

that just pushed it over the edge to make it a real good and solid spec all round this patch

[red schooner]

Listen I'm just paranoid about blizzard seeing the bleed build and going, 'these players are having fun. SHUT IT THE FUCK DOWN'

[balmy condor]

Raidbots.com

[warm vortex]

I mean
That’s just what nerfs are no?

[dreamy rover]

[warm vortex]

Unless you play warrior bliz donednt rlly tune you for no reason

Would I be right in saying just play whatever one feels best? They both seem pretty close

[dreamy rover]

yes

outlaw and sin extremely close

sub not too behind of em

[golden loom]

warrior also didnt get any tuning

[warm vortex]

Yea

Tbh kinda tempted to look at fury this tier/next tier

Seems kinda fun ngl

[golden loom]

liked it more last tier

[warm vortex]

Tbh I’ve always wanted some fury player to just make their pfp the rampage icon

Would be funny

[golden loom]

not a big fan of how anger managment plays

[warm vortex]

Imma pretend like I know what that is

But i agree Yeye

They should buff bear on BM
It’s clearly underperforming

Anyway gtg

[golden loom]

its a talent that gives you cooldown reduction on recklessness/bladestorm when you spend rage

like yeah you get more casts of them, but it also desyncs them from avatar

so instead of being a 1,5min spec u kinda just have stuff going all the time and idk feels weird

but I also have played less of it this season so might be why, maybe its fun

[vital flicker]

Ah an ass man, clearly a man of taste

[warm vortex]

Ah fair fair

All I know is:
press KC or BS
Press BW
Keep BC up

Win

[idle vine]

switching to bleed build, about to craft a second dagger. Is haste more important now? Or should I still go crit/mast for its stats.

[vital flicker]

craft a second dagger?

probably not worth the spark to carft an offhand

[idle vine]

ive not had a second dagger drop entire season. I still have a 645 one in offhand

[balmy condor]

highly recommend not crafting a second dagger

[idle vine]

its fucked

[balmy condor]

I mean

that's fine

[runic hinge]

Offhand still has pretty low stats compared to almost any other piece

[balmy condor]

even more than that

it has the lowest stats

of any slot

and when I say any slot

I mean ANY slot

including non-rogue weapons

[idle vine]

you raise compelling points

[balmy condor]

offhand dagger is simply the weakest single equipment slot

in the entire game

[runic hinge]

Okay when do I vanish playing fatebound

[balmy condor]

during cb