assassination

[coral ibex]

that means anything

other than the sim numbers

[high walrus]

5%

[pliant remnant]

Like I do less with Bleed than Hybrid sometimes, more other times.

It's all anecdotal shit.

[coral ibex]

like i could just tell you that bleed is 10% better

are you going to verify my numbers?

[high walrus]

5% is more believable

[spice spire]

Yes

I am

[pliant remnant]

Either you play perfectly always and trust the sim, or you don't...and it's too anecdotal to matter.

[spice spire]

[pliant remnant]

[coral ibex]

only because you know what the sim numbers are

otherwise you have no reference

bleed could be infinitely better

[high walrus]

idk what the sim numbers are

I just made something up

[pliant remnant]

Good enough

[coral ibex]

like i get the sentiment of the question

do we notice a difference in keys

the answer is probably somewhat yes but not like

a major difference

still basically the same spec

just slightly diff rotation prios and damage profile

[pliant remnant]

If you're unsure, go Bleed

'cause Blindside is fun

[coral ibex]

you asked a simple question with complex answers

[high walrus]

real

[coral ibex]

on god this should be the only reason you need to play bleed

makes ST way more fun

[cunning needle]

Also not having to press kingsbane

[high walrus]

when you get a blindside proc when you're 50 energy and out of tea

[pliant remnant]

[coral ibex]

i often play bleed + iw/kb

i dont like not having iw

i feel naked

[raw crane]

I fall off hard during a fight, never have enough energy. How can I manage this better?

[mild phoenix]

whats the context

[cunning needle]

Im used to not having utility in sub so I'll do the same in assi

[cunning needle]

!downtime

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[coral ibex]

iw is my crutch and i dont care

[cunning needle]

I'd rather die than press utility

[coral ibex]

we're already spreading empowered garrotes with high priority

why not also have them silence

[slate crown]

It's only an inquisition if you're primed to be defensive and think it is. We're all calm in here and were just casually discussing, not assaulting you. Sometimes simple questions aren't simple. Sometimes they are but this is a text based chat and we like to chat

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[coral ibex]

actually this is me when i send any message

https://imgur.com/hWMw1rp

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/dentedhead-speech-bubble-hldmbrnet-gif-25216740

This me

[high walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231286447131328544/1295105126557683844/ivytype.gif

[strong fern]

!wa

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-meme-speech-bubble-bubble-gif-25115885

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[mossy sundial]

Just take the two Sims, consider that demise isn't accounted for in the sim so bleeds gains another 10%+ to overall minimum and it's easier to play in most cases. It should be outperforming hybrid in majority of cases by a decent margin
@indigo epoch

[raw crane]

Thanks for the responses.

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-mgr-speech-bubble-gif-25397532

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/felix-re-zero-felix-argyle-speech-bubble-speech-gif-25397116

[spice spire]

Alright this one will go on for too long and be labeled spam

Yeah yeah

[coral ibex]

it was a pleasure

[spice spire]

[fallow canopy]

I missed this

[stuck knoll]

Gromnak my beloved (content machine)

[cerulean walrus]

@spice spire my brother in Christ. I am at work checking on the spec channels and here I see you horny posting AGAIN?

Can’t even open disc

Smh

[stuck knoll]

It was worse earlier

NEVRR MIND

WHAT THE FUCK

[indigo epoch]

The fuck is wrong with you? Damn yall some fuckin perverts.

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah there you go bud

[stuck knoll]

Okay guys I will say some of this shit is actually too much

[coral ibex]

rogues like doing it from behind bro idk what to tell you

[spice spire]

Dog I’m not even horny posting

[stuck knoll]

It’s okay to meme but it’s still mot an nsfw server

[spice spire]

[cerulean walrus]

🅱️onkles coming in hot

[stuck knoll]

I’mma delete the worst offenders

[spice spire]

Fwiw one of those I absolutely don’t post for that reason

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[stuck knoll]

Kinda my bad for not nipping it in the bud earlier but gonna say from now on lets not post shit that’s borderline explicit

I ain’t gonna hit anyone with a punishment cuz I didn’t say stop when it started

[spice spire]

[coral ibex]

[spice spire]

Us

[subtle kiln]

ronkley trying to figure out which emoji to respond with.

[spice spire]

[stuck knoll]

[spice spire]

That’s George to a T

Hell just come up to you and start panting from excitement

[mossy sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/748624403268632577/1182767900772278323/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[stuck knoll]

My goat

[solemn atlas]

I don't use improved shiv with 2 charges, do i still use shiv before using kingsbane. Or do i pop kingsbane and wait 7-8 sec

[spice spire]

Wait until the end

[willow anvil]

Hi everyone
As assassination rogue it's very annoying to me that i deal low dmg to bosses in M+ and i always run out of energy and have to smash buttons till my energy is enough. Do you have any tips or anything for this? I use the hybrid M+ build.

[empty tide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral ibex]

that's just the spec

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[coral ibex]

i dont think there's even much of a gain to trying to pandemic envenom anymore

you just spam and then have downtime

[willow anvil]

Hmmm ok. Do you sometimes ask the tank to pull some ads into the boss to help with this? Or it's unreasonbale? 😄

[pulsar dirge]

is there a bug on cyrce with no procs? cant seem to work at dummies

[coral ibex]

that would be awesome lol but sometimes not worth the risk

we love funnel tho

[grand trail]

ez no velf needed for me

[hexed frost]

We're hitting levels of bleedmaxxing that shouldn't even be possible

12 flood

[stuck knoll]

We’ve just come to the conclusion we are so far ahead of boss dam that grips aren’t worth

Only adds extra wipes

Breaking a wall is fine so long as it is only 1

[grand trail]

the grip break wall?

or what dou you mean ?

[pliant remnant]

Aug

[grand trail]

we did not start boss yet

but on sunday

[stuck knoll]

You don’t need to get out with a grip anymore

It breaks walls like in HC

it might still be worth for guilds with low damage

[grand trail]

i see

[stuck knoll]

But the grip timing is quite tight

And can cause wipes

So we have just decided to full send dps on them break only 1 wall

[coral ibex]

you have to be careful about how you break them tho right

otherwise the icicle people get turbo griefed

[stuck knoll]

You have to break the one facing the boss

[low thicket]

what are you trying to proc?

[grand trail]

so its maybe still velf angle than?

[royal lantern]

you have SOME selfworth left, right?

[coral ibex]

prob can't hurt

[grand trail]

xdd

[stuck knoll]

If you do a few pulls you might see what I mean but your guild might decide it is still worth gripping

We are just stopping it cuz we are already so far ahead

And it was adding unnecessary wipes

[grand trail]

oki boss

thanks for info

[subtle tundra]

you dont grip

its gonna cause more wipes than staying in the cage

[stuck knoll]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

[cloud fiber]

I'm very new to rogue, and just learned how to kinda play with assassin. Is it the most accessible spec or should I have went with sub?

[gusty mirage]

It’s definitely more straight forward than sub in terms of just picking it up and doing damage

[cloud fiber]

Completely forget about outlaw, right? Lol

[strange tundra]

Did I beat an uhdk fair and square on overall dmg, is the dream real or did he just have bad rng?

[copper hazel]

you over age of 30?

[subtle tundra]

im 15

[low thicket]

666 ilvl 66.6% uptime, balance as all things should be

[earnest remnant]

hundred

[cloud fiber]

Don't see the relevance but you nailed it lol

[strange tundra]

LOL didn't notice

[copper hazel]

Then yeh, no OL for you buddy

[subtle tundra]

youngest assa player

oldge

[strange tundra]

im 3 hunna

[copper hazel]

long running joke that OL is banned for over 30s because RSI, reaction times, etc

[pliant remnant]

did the dk have bad rng
doesn't show dk's damage breakdown

[strange tundra]

mb

[cloud fiber]

Gotcha gotcha. I've heard it had stupid high APM requirements and that joke just hit me in the feels lmao

[strange tundra]

how to tell is rng is bad idk

[pliant remnant]

the higher Blood is Life is, the better the RNG

[strange tundra]

can it be number 1

[cloud fiber]

Is sub as starved as assassin for energy in between cooldowns and vanishes?

[pliant remnant]

I haven't seen that happen but theoretically it could I guess

[royal lantern]

yes

[gusty mirage]

Rude

[copper hazel]

I sadly include myself deeply into that over 30 bracket

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

still got 3 more years of being outlaw capable, not that im ever playing it again tho

[gusty mirage]

You’re actually physically impaired tho

So can you really?

Your body is older than I am

[cloud yew]

hi folks have they changed how gv works? if i kill a boss on a difficulty is it always in my loot table?

[storm forum]

Get them toe binds

[sonic schooner]

stealthi come play outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Yea, and it unlocks loot from bosses considered “before” that boss in the raid

[earnest remnant]

sure give me a month's worth of my salary

then i play it for 1 week

[storm forum]

That boss plus all bosses earlier than it get permanently unlocked for ur vault yeah

[sonic schooner]

what s your salary

[gusty mirage]

He’s a lawyer

But in Denmark

So who tf knows what he gets paid in real money

[cloud yew]

dope so if i kill hero gally, then following week get only a single slot, that slot has chance to be gally loot?

[gusty mirage]

Yes sir

That loot is unlocked for the rest of the season

[shy axle]

@cloud yew it has the potential for all the loot then

all the season long

[gusty mirage]

Now is the vault going to give you something useful? Prolly not but you know what that’s part of the fun

[storm forum]

That's ~8k usd btw

[sonic schooner]

that s also the part of the unfun

[gusty mirage]

Stop exposing my sugar daddy pls

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bee-bruh-gif-4580763730124008555

[storm forum]

buh

[gusty mirage]

buh

[earnest remnant]

between 9-11k depending how much i wanna work and if i go overseas for stuff

[gusty mirage]

Go overseas?

But never to see me?

[earnest remnant]

wrong side of the world unfortunately

[gusty mirage]

Come visit the third world

It’s fun here

And with the US Dollar crashing, probably pretty cheap for you

[sonic schooner]

yea i ve seen the dollar crashing

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

[agile geode]

do you think bleed build will be nerfed?

[gusty mirage]

Probably not, but I’ve seen dumber shit happen

So who knows

[agile geode]

kk

[spice spire]

Only nerf I could see is a nerf that hits both

Don’t think it’s warranted tho

[agile geode]

i mean, is quite strong but not that overwhelming

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, and the ST is kinda doo doo

[limber swallow]

and ST on bleed is pretty trash

[agile geode]

y true

[gusty mirage]

Good balance tbh

Never thought I’d say that

Shame other specs aren’t balanced like that

Seems to only happen to rogue specs

[sonic schooner]

i mean

[limber swallow]

imagine not having to choose between ST and AOE...

[gusty mirage]

If there’s a rogue spec that’s great in aoe and st it just gets beat to the ground with the nerf bat

[sonic schooner]

if assa got a nerf rn

[gusty mirage]

Super cool

[sonic schooner]

idk what blizzard is monitoring to balance stuff

anymore

[gusty mirage]

I stand by my accusations in DF, ChatGPT

[sonic schooner]

if any of the 3 rogue specs get nerfed, idk

[earnest remnant]

you mean like sub 1 week before patch launch?

just to be garbage in raid outside of the first 2 weeks

[sonic schooner]

it made sens stealthi

u know

[gusty mirage]

[sonic schooner]

crafted dagger + transmitter

too good too good

[gusty mirage]

And assa anytime it’s strong past week 2 of raid?

[earnest remnant]

yes about as much sense as my sleeping schedule

[sonic schooner]

sadly havent get tuned afterward

[gusty mirage]

And outlaw when it just exists?

Good times

[agile geode]

there's no reason for me to play other specs after assa rework in DF

[earnest remnant]

tbf thats based

[agile geode]

i just like assa way more than other too

as design i mean

[gusty mirage]

Just silly how rogue gets tightly balanced and there’s other specs out there that are just clearly hero classes

Idk

Plus our hero trees are still dogshit

Lmao

[sonic schooner]

you re fine as assa

[earnest remnant]

evoker and ww this tier

[sonic schooner]

you re not playing arround ks

[earnest remnant]

evoker already being a top 3 spec

[gusty mirage]

You’re right we’re stuck playing Poopstalker tho

[earnest remnant]

lets buff it by 7% cuz why the fuck not

[agile geode]

df season 3 was waaay too all around KB

[sonic schooner]

sub cant use deathstalker

i ve said it alreazdy

[agile geode]

i like the flavour of the spell but it was just too much

[sonic schooner]

i dislike the hero talent idea since the beta, especially for rogue they all garbo

but i changed my mind

all 3 trees on mage

are so cool

[gusty mirage]

They should’ve just gave each spec their own hero tree instead of trying to fit 3 trees into 2 specs each where they’ve very clearly not working with the way the spec works

[sonic schooner]

good rotationnal additions

[gusty mirage]

But what do I know

I could never come up with use killing spree on cd every 6s as a gameplay loop

[sonic schooner]

imo they had ideas for 3 classes when they invented hero tree

and then they needed to do some bullshit for other classes

aka dk mage and idk what

[spice spire]

Buff this pal

[gusty mirage]

Maybe I will if it fixes our dogshit hero trees

Spit shine it too

[sonic schooner]

[gusty mirage]

My fav part about tww beta was when not even Fuu could find something nice to say about death stalker

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

When Fuu is literally the phrase “glass half full” if it was a human being

[sonic schooner]

which is a bit sad, yea tuning wise rogue is kinda lame right now, but i truely think all 3 specs have great gameplay rn, even i like sub rn which means a lot. Well and then you have ks but that s gonna get reworked

[spice spire]

In gameplay it’s not too bad.
Hate having a focus kick bit but whatever

Conceptually

[sonic schooner]

yea i remember during the beta

we were just like

[spice spire]

It’s just all over the fucking place

And has 0 direction

[sonic schooner]

"yea ok random passiv shit we dont want to play arround i guess"

or

[spice spire]

Just happens to have good multi target options

So we do it

[sonic schooner]

"yea we ll press feint and distract on cd that s just the most garbo shit i ve seen"

[gusty mirage]

GOOD DESIGN IMO

[sonic schooner]

[gusty mirage]

They need to give a raise to the intern that came up with that

[sonic schooner]

imagine as sub spending your energy on distract and feint on cd rn

@earnest remnant

not gonna talk about how fb was (and still is?) super buggy

[gusty mirage]

I refunded my TWW preorder when death stalker was announced lmao

[tight ginkgo]

the globals during dance

[sonic schooner]

LOL

that s commitement

[twilit flint]

What build do we use for one armed bandit?

I guess a cleave would be good enough hey

[cerulean nest]

kinda the only option yeah

[eager pond]

I just going cleave with spatter, but Idk if theres something better

[ancient rain]

do we have any secret tech with engineering bracers?? some hidden op tinker or sum

[cerulean nest]

no?

[solid hinge]

any bleed build enjoyers for m+?

[glacial relic]

🙏🏻

[solid hinge]

is it good for lower keys too ? 13-14?

[glacial relic]

its good everywhere ye

[solemn atlas]

I'm trying to sim, jumping over from playing sub that wants mastery/vers. And when simming it says my vers mastery ring is better then my cirt/mastery. I'm running dungeon slice.

[pliant remnant]

That is a very nice story.

[little tulip]

sin doesn't hate vers

if that helps

if it's higher item track and is upgraded it'll probably do fine due to mastery or you know you've got raid buffs on idk

[lucid silo]

i dont think sin really hates any stat

[weak compass]

Bleed build still need Mastery CS?

[agile geode]

haste

is good on bleed build

you want more haste with that build

mastery and crit still good but aim for some haste too

[gusty mirage]

Is there an ilvl dif on the rings?

[little tulip]

is there a ballpark amount of haste that's good?

i had some haste gear i vendored that put me at 10% it's at 6 now

[west crown]

Well, tldr it doesn’t matter

[coral ibex]

no, just follow whatever sims best

[vernal gate]

How do you guys sim assa for keys? 5t 5m +1t 1m?

[coral ibex]

dungeonslice

[hidden bay]

I stopped playing the game at the start of Shadowlands. I skipped that expansion and Dragonflight, and I wasn’t sure if I’d ever play again. But then I pre-ordered TWW… and ended up refunding it because I was like, “Bro, wtf? No way you’re playing this shit again.”
I think a week or two later, I bought it again.

[wanton spear]

whats considered agood overall in darkflame on a 12?

[grand trail]

btw what velf "dps" racial even do

its like saome random dmg or what

[solar wyvern]

Yeah

5% varience woooo

I love mugzee prog woooo

I miss stoneform

[grand trail]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[solemn atlas]

Sry late reply, No same ilvl hero track fully upgraded both of them

[grand trail]

my guild wnna do priest gripds but will go velf anyway

for my safety

velf look very smootht here

[nimble tartan]

no void elf needed on mugzee tbh..

[royal lantern]

dmg proc basically

[hidden bay]

k bro. till you get it every pull and priest grips too early

specially if you are on progress you want to avoid that

yes you could chill in gaol and do nothing but you dont want that in progress

there is just no reason to NOT go voidelf

racial dmg is irrelevant

[strange sleet]

$$$$$

[hidden bay]

gold!

[nimble tartan]

idk it feels like a non issue we are proggin rn and boss is like on pace to kill workin on 45% on

[grand trail]

so you guys just chillin in cages?

or whats up

[nimble tartan]

we have rescues and shit for those who cant get out

[grand trail]

wellgotta pull boss first and than will decide

[solar wyvern]

And then in p2 on the 4 jail set when too many people are stuck and not hitting the boss without VE you're sad

P2 is very relevant dps

[nimble tartan]

we are full sending cages overoadin em and comin out

idk like we have insane dam now

i understand earlier on in prog what people had to do to make up damage

but like we have a lot of dam now

even the fire mages doin all that blink tech its like fluff dam basically now lmfao

they are still doing it but like they almost dont need to tbh

[solar wyvern]

Idk being able to skip the last frost shoes is definitely worth it

Saves 5-10 pulls probably

[nimble tartan]

forsure i can see it we will try it how we have it planned atm been some good ahh prog so far

like 30 pulls but obv the end is gonna eat up like the other 50-60

[solar wyvern]

Yeah p1 is easier than OaB and Sprocket tbh

[nimble tartan]

forsure

[solar wyvern]

P2 is where the fun begins xd

[nimble tartan]

we had super good oab prog too like 87 pulls

[grand trail]

we stucked ourself on bandit for no reason

but last raid 1,5% surely die next raid

[nimble tartan]

surely

[solar wyvern]

Nice we had 102 on OaB, with like 60 of them being random crushed deaths before the lines were fixed lmfao

[nimble tartan]

oh ya once they fixed the line it was so easy

[solar wyvern]

Yeah post nerf we were on the boss for like 2hrs and it fell down

[outer widget]

for the bleed build i remember we swap out something in Cyrce's Circlet, anyone knows what to what?

[solar wyvern]

Nothing we always run stormbringer fathom wind

[outer widget]

aight cool thanks, i thought i heard someone say it but guess now

not

[stable cove]

with bleed build do ppl still macro tea to shiv or is that an old s1 raid thing

[winged sun]

priory 17

sin op?!

more dmg than ele+pi

[raven tree]

yo guys, full assa noob here, what poisons do i use in m+ with bleed build?

[naive dragon]

Deadly and mind numb

[raven tree]

ty

[deep gyro]

Hybrid build?

[winged sun]

no

forced induction build

supercharger

[deep gyro]

:0

[naive dragon]

Weird one, but u pro lol

[winged sun]

well u cant time priory without this build on 17-18

[stable cove]

do u macro tea to shiv

[winged sun]

no

always manual press

[stable cove]

do u use in dm window even if max/high energy for mast?

[deep gyro]

But only one shiv? Superchargee still worth?

[uneven plume]

not weird. Feels too good

[winged sun]

last 6 seconds

or twice on 1st pull

[stable cove]

poggies ty king

[winged sun]

yea u cant pick 2nd shiv anyway

[naive dragon]

I’ll have to give it a go

[winged sun]

this build wont work in low keys

u wont do much on low keys

its only good for very high keys

[stable cove]

bc of needed prio dmg?

[uneven plume]

only bad thing about this build is you can lose all your damage due to DS bug

[stable cove]

cuz target live longer?

[deep gyro]

Ik u cant pick it , it’s more so of the value we get from it. But looks good. Ty for sharing

[winged sun]

what bug

[winged sun]

yea

[uneven plume]

Darkest Night randomly dropping

[stable cove]

makes sense

[uneven plume]

because you envenomed a mob that died at the same time

with DN proc up

[winged sun]

u can just ambush again

xd

never had an issue of no deathstalker up

[uneven plume]

if vanish is on cd then its gg

and tank chain pulls

even more gg

[deep gyro]

U never had mark drop out of nowhere?

It doesnt happen often but it’s happen to me

[uneven plume]

I stopped DN envenoming mobs lower than 5% for that reason

unless restealth/vanish available

[coral ibex]

i had the bug on sprocket last night where i sent a 7cp envenom into DN and he moved away and ate my envenom but i still had DN

very cool

didn't notice until 3 finishers later

[dapper zodiac]

hello guys, could someone explain to me when we use our clear the witness fan of knife with our new talents? do we use it to preserve some of our ressources or just hit it when we get clear of witness buff? i am abit confused because the sims are pressing it even with vicious venom 2/2 equipped

[stuck jacinth]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[dapper zodiac]

very nice thank you

[modest zephyr]

I am playing arms warrior looking to spice it up with rogue. I go to the wowhead guide and I need about the same PHD that i did to learn fire mage to read the rota

how do you guys do it

and there is like no guide vids for my smooth brain i can find

[dapper zodiac]

alot of buff/debuff tracking and minmaxing said buffs also pooling

weakaura setup is important

[modest zephyr]

I am using Noah WA currently seems solid. Any suggestions for setup?

[buoyant herald]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[buoyant herald]

see which of those you like

assassination not super hard, probably easiest rogue spec

and check Whispyr YT guides

[modest zephyr]

ty for the help

[eager pond]

For gally I go spatter?

[spice spire]

Yea

[buoyant herald]

any time theres any addes you go spatter

[minor tiger]

is there a dmg %% we wanna strife for when it comes to SB on AoE and ST with the bleed build?, its 2nd on dmg for me but i feel like i can make the % more compared to number 1 spell

[proven jasper]

hey dad

miss you

[spice spire]

Sup king

[mighty vine]

God Im glad that they removed Stix from your points on WCL. Was rollin 3 times for the kill

[buoyant herald]

oh nice, im very glad too 😂

[sturdy python]

Is there a breakpoint for when the bleed build is better than the regular build we had for M+ in terms of key level (because the mobs live longer)? Or is it just straight up better regardless?

I guess I could test it but wondered if that's common knowledge already

[buoyant herald]

not really but

you could say

you should be taking bleed by default

at all key levels

i guess what i mean is, bleed build IS now the "regular" build

[vital flicker]

Is it better because of the cleave?

[sturdy python]

okay, so its just the better build in all situations

[buoyant herald]

except edge cases like what zeross said

[sturdy python]

what do you base that on? I haven't finished whispyr's vid yet if he said it in that

what did zeross say?

[buoyant herald]

he's using the hybrid build on certain keys at very high levels

which doesn't concern us peons

lol

[winged sun]

more consistent dmg and higher st is very good in priory

it wont be good in keys like floodgates because you'll swap to sub after 2nd boss

so you can play bleed/hybrid in floodgates

[tall atlas]

dslice sims cool with bleed build?

[sturdy python]

hm im doing 16s rn so that was important info thanks spark/zeross

[sturdy python]

as in swap spec mid run to sub in floodgate? that's what you guys are doing at 17+ ??

shit I better do my homework

[winged sun]

supercharger build is the best in these dungeons

[sturdy python]

after what key level? 17?

[winged sun]

not sure

[buoyant herald]

tbh is probably super good for any key where you can rely on your tank to let you restealth

[winged sun]

idk how low keys feel like

u prob play bleed on all low keys anyway

supercharger u just never get restealths

[sturdy python]

ill test bleed vs supercharger in 16's tonight and see the diff I guess

[winged sun]

no point

[vital flicker]

Would Hybrid (with FI) not just be better in ToP at basically all levels? Higher ST and significantly better cleave damage seems good for that place

[royal lantern]

your first mistake is listening to zeross

[winged sun]

u lose time if u restealth

[winged sun]

hows ur +10s going?

hope ur timing enough

[keen spruce]

Is that Tom pelvis himself

In my assas chat

[winged sun]

maybe once u reach 3.6k i'll consider having a real conversation with you tryan

[royal lantern]

you mean the guy that first shittalk whisp for "Not doing m+"

then when whisp had a higher score immediatly went "well im not pushing ofc????"

[winged sun]

wont forget when u went nuts last time u got benched for doing low dps

was kinda not too respectful i'd say

[sturdy python]

https://tenor.com/view/grunkle-stan-control-yourselves-ladies-gravity-f-alls-gif-4807191

[slim copper]

best way to farm valorstones rn?

[buoyant herald]

ST isn't really any better on hybrid/supercharger

i just ripped a sim and it's actually 5% behind on a 3m ST sim

[graceful bane]

the missions you can start from the car, and farming scrap piles I think

[buoyant herald]

maybe in practice it's better for some reason but sim suggests bleed ST is better and im pretty sure thats what whispyr said in their vid too

blindside/zoldyck very good

[keen spruce]

I think you’re both cute and wish u would stop fighting

[haughty flicker]

m+ builds are tearing this family apart

[buoyant herald]

they are leaving us bruised and bloody

[keen spruce]

[graceful bane]

Question about bleed build as im practicing it. If not grouped with better pi targets, when would we want pi? only on DM or when we have a bunch of bleeds out or somethin else?

[vital flicker]

I just don't understand why people are so tribal for the bleed build after if you asked people to play it before the updated sim string they would've laughed at you, there are niches where each build is better. Bleed build is clearly good and fun to play, but that doesn't mean that there are no target counts or pulls that it won't get beaten at. Dungeon slice sims are not a real dungeon just a generalized representation.

[buoyant herald]

yeah bleed likes haste a bit more, makes you a good PI target and you'd sync with DM for sure

both being 2mins

[graceful bane]

got it

ty

[vital flicker]

Hybrid with FI is higher in ST and cleave than bleed, but loses in AoE. Hybrid without FI is worse in ST but still better in cleave

[buoyant herald]

ok but like

i just ran a sim and it's 5% behind so

like i say

[strange sleet]

not really. Many of us played bleed after SD buff even in PTR. But ST dmg was shit. Now with the mut buff is better and that5's why we are playing it now

[buoyant herald]

sims are sims

[spice surge]

Very slightly better in cleave yes, assuming 0 sudden demise damage

[haughty flicker]

[buoyant herald]

but just claiming "it's better" doesn't help

[vital flicker]

Can you link the sim?

[buoyant herald]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Afs17WEzb9DHFov9sJPX2

for me at least

[haughty flicker]

tbf some of that is one build dropping ma for iw

and that gets into a seperate discussion

[buoyant herald]

ahhh didn't change it back. i'll redo it

[mystic osprey]

Sudden Demise goes crazy

[buoyant herald]

closer but not insignificant

[hollow river]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-man-will-you-gif-18636332

[buoyant herald]

just the "accepted" wisdom that hybrid is better ST is just outdated

unless im missing practical factors because hey im not doing push keys so what do i know

[strange sleet]

nah bleed is very good. Enjoy it while you can guys cuz it's getting nerfed

[spice surge]

Not being forced to delay kb/dm for them to line up and the ability to hold DM on a pack for a boss if needed kinda makes bleed just more flexible in my opinion

You can also hold shivs to place them wherever you need instead of every 30s

[buoyant herald]

this might be a hot take but

i also prefer the theme/flavour 🤐

[nimble tartan]

i have some tech if u want to know how to do this hit my line

[spice surge]

I think thats fairly common, assa historically havent been about big envenoms

[spice surge]

Its been more about bleeds or lots of small poisons

[split flame]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[buoyant herald]

the thing i love most about the uproar this caused

add those stats together, you've got what 5650 secondaries

678 priory has 5200 agi

[sonic schooner]

i think hybrid is great in massiv aoe / giga prio target

all other points are better on bleed

[buoyant herald]

would anyone take 450 secondaries over a proc / any other feature

even assuming your secondaries are on par with main stat which isn't the case for most

[hollow river]

tf is this?

[buoyant herald]

hax

or tooltip editors

one of those

[nimble tartan]

its real

[runic hinge]

I ran some sims this morning as well and idk if 10% of my aoe (what hybrid FI was behind in Dslice) is worth the 3% it was ahead in single target

[wild salmon]

I played Assa at the end of DF and really enjoyed it. I'm came back to rogue this season and got to 660 as sub. I'm missing the Assa gameplay and am wondering if I need to fully reprioritize stats to go assa, or if I can try it out in keys without losing a ton of damage.

With my current gear I'm:
16% crit
4% haste
66% mastery
16% vers.

[buoyant herald]

assass likes all stats so you'll be fine

[hollow river]

assa likes all stats

you'll be alright

[buoyant herald]

🤝

[dapper cradle]

wtf is this?

new chinese exploit just dropped or what?

[buoyant herald]

tooltip editing

[dapper cradle]

oh shit based

[buoyant herald]

but it's not even any good 😤

well, compared to other decent trinkets at 678

[vital flicker]

Was that with twist the knife instead of iw?

[spice surge]

Most of the argument is "the sim is wrong". Which tbf it could be, but me and other people have looked at a lot of things and cant find anything. One of the reason bleed got better in sims was because we noticed it was doing less damage in sims than ingame

[buoyant herald]

that was MA instead of IW

[sonic schooner]

i mean eleem

[buoyant herald]

does hybrid usually take TTK? i didn't think it did

[sonic schooner]

i ve done dozen keys with another rogue playing hybrid

13 to 15 key range

we both kind same skill players

[vital flicker]

The people in the highest keys with hybrid+FI run twist the knife

[sonic schooner]

and it was kinda like the sims, but even better for bleed in aoe due to sudden demise exec damage

compared to sim

[buoyant herald]

what are we dropping for TTK?

[vital flicker]

They don't run MA

[buoyant herald]

ok we go agane

[runic hinge]

I don’t expect sims to be perfectly representative of play in game but I’m not sure giving up that much aoe to do a tiny bit more ST is worth it. I know higher keys are gonna have more boss time but also trash is still the majority of the dungeon

Idk. I won’t push 17’s so I’m stupid anyways

[buoyant herald]

usually with that it's more around "we need the boss damage to actually complete the dungeon" rather than what's best on overalls

[runic hinge]

Need more boss damage cause you run out of defensives or something?

[buoyant herald]

that's with TTK instead of MA so even more behind

[waxen oyster]

does anyone have a working wa that extends details names

mine bricks after like 3 words length

[royal lantern]

well, then we slowly reach the "you should not play assa then" range tbh

cus assa just doesnt do good boss dmg in m+ rn

[buoyant herald]

well yeah, there's a reason why it's not in the meta

but it's a very good spec still

better than most

[runic hinge]

3% boss damage is pretty tiny for the loss in aoe which I get trash isn’t the deciding factor but like 10% of your aoe feels like it’s gonna slow the dungeon down more than 3% st is gonna be speed it up

[waxen oyster]

assa probs fine this week

just CT on orb spawns

for big bleed on boss

[runic hinge]

No orbs over 12

[coral ibex]

bleed is 10% ahead of hybrid in dslice for me and 1% ahead of hybrid on patchwerk

[waxen oyster]

idk bleed lets you demisemaxx

more fun

[nimble tartan]

guys my 678 arcanocrystal sims high af

[coral ibex]

nice bit

[runic hinge]

Yea I’m not doing rank 1 keys but the math doesn’t seem to even add up that hybrid is somehow gapping bleed in ST

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

longer executes

more blindside

[haughty flicker]

me seeing m+ talk always

[coral ibex]

emplussers

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

smh

[haughty flicker]

it must end

[buoyant herald]

mut/amb buff, switch to blindside helped bleed ST a bunch since last season

[runic hinge]

This used to be a single target only channel

[buoyant herald]

but Bel

[haughty flicker]

if we arent talking about cats and boss damage

[buoyant herald]

we're arguing about single target damage

[haughty flicker]

it isnt assassination channel

[runic hinge]

Back before df s3

[buoyant herald]

(just in m+ setting)

[golden loom]

How do I deal with spread cleave?

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

i mean raid talk as assa is

"my dumb guild leadership expects me to target swap"

[golden loom]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[waxen oyster]

or

[runic hinge]

Barrel spawns

[haughty flicker]

!riccardo

[waxen oyster]

"why does tea autoproc"

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/bavatogay-ricardo-milos-dance-gif-13888231

[vital haven]

bleed vs hybrid is celerity vs deatlhy shadows all over again

or blood vs beam

[waxen oyster]

bleed helps me watch netflix easier

while im doing vault keys

easy choice

wasnt deathly shadows because of the streamer

"pvctheman from the water guild"-gingi

[vital haven]

now mind you theres only like 5 non cn rogues doing high keys as sin right now so it aint a big discussion honestly

ye jpc ran it cause yyellow ran it

he said it was better for the seasonal affix

[waxen oyster]

and then ermm

who was that outlaw otp

who said it was still good post s1

james grew up so proud

from losing to the tank on sl beta to liquid

[haughty flicker]

and now hes a dk player

[runic hinge]

I’ll be on the edge of a vacation again soon

[waxen oyster]

didnt he quit to touch grass

[vital haven]

james rise

[haughty flicker]

he touched grass

hes back

[waxen oyster]

study some big boy degree

[vital haven]

from getting memed by max on twitter to being on liquid

[waxen oyster]

i thought

[vital haven]

cant write it any better

[haughty flicker]

you can only touch so much grass

[sonic schooner]

ur talking sim numbers, dont forget sim misses all the exec damage from demise

[vital haven]

wait dslice doesnt simulate mobs dying?

[haughty flicker]

it doesnt simulate sudden demise proccing

[runic hinge]

Yeah it’s crazy to me to think hybrid is somehow gapping but idk. I won’t play keys high enough I gotta worry about boss damage

[haughty flicker]

so sudden demise value in sims is just from bleed damage increase

[runic hinge]

I just gotta worry about the homies eating frontals

[waxen oyster]

Wait is he back raiding

or just m+er

[vital haven]

hes back next tier iirc

[waxen oyster]

Wait in liquid

[hollow river]

Ye

[waxen oyster]

or liquid retirement home

aka ID

[hollow river]

Liquid

[haughty flicker]

he is a water gamer again

[sonic schooner]

As i said, i played with another assa on hybrid

and hybrid is more prio / big aoe (16+ target)

[runic hinge]

How many 20+ pulls we got this season?

Actually wondering

[uneven plume]

0

[runic hinge]

Maybe first pull floodgate?

[uneven plume]

That’s like 12

[runic hinge]

Yeah true

[nova aspen]

brew's first pull

[waxen oyster]

I imagine as rogue

cant take dk spot from atlas

whose streams got 10x more boring after he joined liquid

No more banshee screaming into mic

[runic hinge]

Has james been streaming at all

[sonic schooner]

it s about 4 pulls in the entire dungeon pool rn, looking at highest routes and counting yellow names in it

[haughty flicker]

cindybwew

[uneven plume]

Brew first can be 20 if you pull three muscles instead of splitting 2-1

[keen tundra]

Why do some rogues take TTK, some take MA in the kingsbane m+ build, are they for different purposes

[prisma marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[uneven plume]

More focused on ST in m+ with ttk

Usually paired with forced induction

[sonic schooner]

because currently noone knows what to do with the spec

[ancient pendant]

hi guys! where ST is better? Hybrid or Bleed?

[spice surge]

Least of all blizzard

[spice surge]

Should be bleed, if you run momentum of despair instead of follow the blood youll get some more st too

[vital flicker]

Blizzard doesn't know what to do with the class

[ancient pendant]

i'm playing currently with only VDH + disc + unh + frost mage
which build will do better in high keys? (15+)

[balmy condor]

The one you play the best man idk

[vital flicker]

the answer of somebody who isn't trying to start shit

[balmy condor]

People be playing like 7 different builds that are wildly different and id consider some of them to just be fully incorrect

But clearly it works

So who knows man

Put some talents on the board and see what happens

[buoyant herald]

skill > build most of the time so

[vital flicker]

I'm going to start playing internal bleeding and FI for the GIGA-GIGA Demisemaxxing

[waxen oyster]

Yeah because m+ers pull the dumbest shit out of their ass

and try to make an aoe spec do st

[royal lantern]

have IC+spatter+crimson tempest+Scent of Blood, and it will work lol

[uneven plume]

Whispyr means just play whatever feels good

[digital stirrup]

Ok so if you run iron wire you can lock down a pack of casters by yourself for 10+ secs? That seems crazy good

[balmy condor]

Forced induction internal bleeding bleed build and you just shiv rupture ct during a deathmark and everything explodes

[balmy condor]

Yep, and no one runs it cause it’s a dps loss

[buoyant herald]

yes but you give up a lot of dps to do it so cringe

[balmy condor]

Could you imagine doing like 3.5% less or whatever

That sounds awful

[digital stirrup]

Running that vs master sin is only a 300k dps loss on 5T though

[buoyant herald]

literally no

i don't have that much damage to lose

[balmy condor]

Yeah but see the issue here is that it’s a loss

[royal lantern]

iron wire is good yeha, but it has a cost + i HONESTLY dont really think you need it this season much?

[digital stirrup]

True

[royal lantern]

caster spam is a bit under controll overall

[waxen oyster]

my man just said

”only “ 300k

[balmy condor]

I mean when the 5t sim is doing like 75 billion dps

[royal lantern]

found the poor guy that still does deathrolls

[balmy condor]

Kinda yeh

[waxen oyster]

but whispyr

the st is bad

!

[balmy condor]

Don’t forget we had a guy here yesterday simming like 7t patchwerk cause an evoker friend told him to

And he rolled up with a 19.8mil dps sim

[waxen oyster]

You could have just ended

that with evoker

same result

[balmy condor]

Good meme

Did you know raidbots doesn’t support more than 30 targets

[waxen oyster]

listening to evoker players

is like

[balmy condor]

Don’t ask me how I know that

[haughty flicker]

30t patchwerk lmao

[waxen oyster]

asking a loan shark if you should take out more money

[royal lantern]

how do you know that

[balmy condor]

Get that shark a friend why is he a loan

[balmy condor]

I said don’t

[royal lantern]

but i did

what are you gonna do now

sim 31 targets?

[balmy condor]

I literally can’t!

[sonic schooner]

i cant wait for poison build not a single bleed node

[waxen oyster]

I mean evoker players

dont have awareness around them

[winged sun]

o

k

its time

to play bleedb uild

[waxen oyster]

what makes you think they know how to navigate a website

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

Hey man I feel bad for evokes

They have to read the longest rotation guide page on all of wowhead

[buoyant herald]

ah but what if you can't read

[balmy condor]

Gotta set aside a whole afternoon for that damn thing

[buoyant herald]

you don't need to read anything

[waxen oyster]

play fury warrior

press whatever lights up

[balmy condor]

5 buttons and the rotation page is 50,000 words

[royal lantern]

is that sarcastic because its written overly complicated for something that is just "press cds, use disintergrate whenever possible"

[waxen oyster]

bitch 24h a day about why your spec isnt good in m+

[balmy condor]

No I think it’s actually the longest

[stuck knoll]

brother we're not doing single letter messages

just no

[stuck knoll]

This is actually wrong it is very cursed rn

[wise plover]

Hey @balmy condor how does the hitbox of AP shiv work. is it an AOE around the target, or my character?

[digital stirrup]

I’ve been playing rogue for like 4 days now and have picked it up pretty quick but when I saw the opener you had on wowhead for sin my first thoughts were “wtf kind of spec has this long and specific of an opener”

[golden loom]

AP traverses space and time

[royal lantern]

imagine it like chain lightning

[winged sun]

@stuck knoll hi, u look like quake

[waxen oyster]

idk i’ve been playing prot

[winged sun]

i like ur dog

[royal lantern]

like, thats how it spreads

[balmy condor]

Dunno but if you find out let me know cause it used to be chain lightning and now it’s not but also sometimes still might be?

[wise plover]

[strange sleet]

better don't play sub then

[royal lantern]

bro so im outdated allready

[waxen oyster]

i havent checked whats the prio diff between bt and rb in fury

[wise plover]

because i think i pulled an out of combat mob today that was pretty far from the pack and i dont get how

[stuck knoll]

[waxen oyster]

sin is the easy one

[haughty flicker]

holy fuck dev rotation page actually is wild

[balmy condor]

In theory it should probably be 12 yards around the player but if you encounter the special edition arterial precision of range and temporal foresight it could chain like 60 yards out of nowhere

[golden loom]

5 RB -> 1 BT unless in execute phase cause then you just BT, I think

[royal lantern]

you look at openers and think "wtf they are so complicated"

then you do them 3x and realise that its just "use all cds and then press the same 3 button on repeat until all cds are back and you use them togheter again"

welcome to wow, you understood more or less all dps specs in the game now

[waxen oyster]

What i want to know is

why do wowhead guides clutter pages

[vital flicker]

It reads like that one kind of raidleader that just reads out all of the boss abilities, I feel like it could be simplified without getting rid of the complexity

[waxen oyster]

with sub 10% pickrate talents

as if those ever get taken

[digital stirrup]

Yeah I think it’s more so I didn’t even know the icons or ability names or anything other than eviscerate, which isn’t even for this spec

[waxen oyster]

Do they have the increasing bt crit chance shit again

[balmy condor]

Also I’ve been thinking about this and I think in the future I just stop after Kingsbane gets cast and just leave the vanish/shiv as a footnote again

[haughty flicker]

i mean reading through a lot of it is decent info but like we could definitely make this half as long and convey the same info

[golden loom]

Yeah something like that

[balmy condor]

But when I had them as a footnote preciously everyone got confused

[wise plover]

my shiv hit the sleeping mob on top left from here...

[balmy condor]

Incredible

[vital flicker]

how will i Know when to use my second charge of shiv

[stuck knoll]

There's just a lot of conditionals BT takes over at various points and my favourite one where after you BS you just RB at max rage until you can't cuz of various buffs but anyway diff spec

[sonic schooner]

you ll give me an update

dont forget

[waxen oyster]

You expected people to read

[sonic schooner]

rupture > envenom in 99% cases

[balmy condor]

You lucked into the special edition arterial precision of range and temporal foresight congrats

[haughty flicker]

[wise plover]

lucky me!

[balmy condor]

Spec has 0 bugs

[spice surge]

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Here is a screenshot from one of my runs in the same place where i hit the guy that jumped out with the shiv

Im targetting the contractor with the white outline

[balmy condor]

There are no bugs, just happy accidents

[royal lantern]

remember BfA/SL where people constantly showed screenshot of the arcane mage wowhead rotation guides and screamed OMG THEY ARE SO COMPLICATED LOOK HOW BIG THIS IS!!!!

and then it was just a really bad formated repeat of the same 3 abilitys all the time

"use arcane blast, if you have arcane missles use arcane missles or otherwhise use arcane blast, if you have 3 arcane charges use arcane barrage otherwhise use arcane blast, if you dont have 4 charges use arcane blast" etc etc....

just 0 formation for something that was just "use 1 to generate, use 2 to consume, use 3 when it procs" and made it look overly complicated lol

[strange sleet]

God I hate shadowstep on Gally. So fucking random

[haughty flicker]

so its shiv lightning but not always shiv lightning but kinda sorta

[golden loom]

Its probably the water causing the lightning to chain longer

[haughty flicker]

oh shit

good point

[waxen oyster]

my favorite is dh hunt on certain bosses

[spice surge]

So what youre gonna do, youre gonna garrot 1, garrot 2, garrot 3

[waxen oyster]

likes to put you at 1cm from falling off

[royal lantern]

fok fok rupture exsanguinate

[digital stirrup]

Which build has more funnel into prio, bleed or KB?

[hidden bay]

ragebait question guys

dont fall for it

[gritty laurel]

my favorite one in this raid was shadowstepping behind flarendo and somehow eating his fire breath from behind him

[balmy condor]

I’m crashing out

[strange sleet]

also happened to me

[royal lantern]

cus it puts you inside him,and the breath starts from the same position

[spice spire]

It puts you where

[gritty laurel]

oh it made sense after it happened once, i was just not happy at that point in time

[old thistle]

Breath spells originate from within the model

[hidden bay]

play bleed

[old thistle]

Not the mouth

[royal lantern]

but inside the balls

[waxen oyster]

flarendo breaths fire from his asshole

confirmed

[royal lantern]

like pee

[old thistle]

Deez

[thick solstice]

Is it worth crafting an offhand weapon 675?

[balmy condor]

Also I can’t explain the last 2 screenshots given our current understanding of the bug

[spice spire]

He’s just like me

[balmy condor]

No

[spice spire]

No

[waxen oyster]

quake after 3am tacobell

[digital stirrup]

Is that just simply the better build in general?

[thick solstice]

I didnt think so, I was just making sure. Thanks for the reply

[royal lantern]

right now? yeha kinda

[vital flicker]

no

[gritty laurel]

this is only my second tier raiding as rogue/assa and i stupidly believed the tooltip when it said "Step through the shadows to appear behind your target"

[hidden bay]

till you reach like 17s/18s most likely

[gritty laurel]

instead of "lol the breath is stored in the balls and that's where you are now"

[old thistle]

Well behind is behind, behind the middle

[royal lantern]

"behind the target" means "most of the time behind the target, but on big enemys its directly in the middle, oh and on stationary bosses its in front of them ofc"

[haughty flicker]

at least shadowstep doesnt send us to hell anymore on gally

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

i just step dks

those mfs dont move

[gritty laurel]

that's a good idea tbh

[wind totem]

Yeah now it picks a random spot in the general vicinity of the boss.

[haughty flicker]

significantly better than hell i would argue

[hidden bay]

ye, i step our tanks in general

[wind totem]

True but far from where it should do it.

[thick solstice]

At what key level is it worth going back to a hybrid build from a bleed build? I feel like my single target DPS is lacking in these higher keys

[waxen oyster]

You know what i really enjoy in raid

being temp mced on rik

then coming out with dnd slow

and consecrate slow

[gritty laurel]

bleed build has higher single target tho

[strange sleet]

I used shadowstep a bit ago in Gally and got even further than I was. I lost uptime by stepping

[digital stirrup]

Bleed still has a lot of funnel though because I noticed I was always top dps on prio target, but with envenom not hitting as hard+overlapping a stack(right?) is the funnel mainly coming from CT when you get a big CT with lots of mobs around onto your prio target? Or where does majority of the funnel come from in bleed?

[waxen oyster]

read singular focus

its a poor man’s wounded quarry

[royal lantern]

your boss dmg is lacking because its assa, your build wont change that, bleed allready is the higher boss dmg

[haughty flicker]

what i really enjoy about raid is two bosses in a row i just swap to do add damage because every range player is suddenly allergic to hitting ranged adds so instead of playing a boss fight im playing whack a mole

wait i dont enjoy that at all

[hidden bay]

the key is to have everyone soak and tell your healers to not suck!!!!!!!!

[royal lantern]

2nd rik kill, i was #4 on barrel dmg

:3

[waxen oyster]

Just send them rough dynamite in their ingame mail

[haughty flicker]

i tried swapping to sin on reclear

did not go well

and now im playing boomkin on stix

[waxen oyster]

is it toxic to mail your ranged bleach

midraid

[haughty flicker]

also

fuckers running me over with balls

when im standing in my safe space

[waxen oyster]

ngl when im doing stix balls

get out of my way

[royal lantern]

perish

[gritty laurel]

that's why i specced Tunnel Vision and just make sure i'm at the top of the meter every fight

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[waxen oyster]

If you want better spatter dam in raid

just tricks the other melee

who have good burst aoe

[digital stirrup]

Ahh ok, is the ability dmg called singular focus in details or something else?

[waxen oyster]

Yeah its a worse wounded quarry

wounded counts the damage done to the target itself

[spice surge]

I mean you still envenom, they just do a bit less damage since you dont have amplifying. But Deathmark is way stronger on your prio target since both rupture and garrote do significantly more

[wispy apex]

With the bleed build. Do you just use vanish when the MA buff expires?

[mental thistle]

it feels a bit weird ST dmg on bleed

[tall atlas]

10 psf

[nocturne quail]

you know the clip of your yuge sudden demise in WS?

[tall atlas]

tryna break 5m

[wise goblet]

What’s the other build? I only have ever played bleed lol

[spice surge]

Ye

[nocturne quail]

did you hold DM on that so itd hit execute range ?

or was it natty timing

[coral ibex]

thought i recorded a key for vod review

shadowplay instead captured runescape for 40 mins

[spice surge]

Natty, but its not unreasonable to hold

[nocturne quail]

in that pul especially

[spice surge]

You just gotta be sure of the partys dps so it doesnt explode at like 7s left

[royal lantern]

based

[spice surge]

Ideally its at like <2s

[nocturne quail]

yeah sure

make sense

[rustic leaf]

Newish rogue here , I missing out on stealth in mplus really not that bad ? I feel like I’m missing out on a lot of aoe opening dmg
Do we just spam single target bleeds everytime ?

[digital stirrup]

At least you’ve got 40 minutes of straight footage

[nocturne quail]

been playing sub in ws but now only playing it in top and trying to think about somethings

[spice surge]

I think sub is better in there in general, i was just vibing

[nocturne quail]

sin kinda feel nice

[gritty laurel]

!restealth

oh is that one gone?

[runic hinge]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[hardy rapids]

You feel kinda nice.

[nocturne quail]

lmao

HR get him

[hardy rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-23725523

[slim copper]

got duped into a 10 ToP with a 635 resto shammy healer i wanna die

11 ToP*

[digital stirrup]

So with singular focus, let’s say your building/spending on reapplying your ruptures again and your mark falls off. Should you spend your max cp to get your mark up before reapplying ruptures mid pull so your prio target takes the dmg from your CT/fok/whatever bleeds are up

I guess it depends on how ethical you’re trying to be to kill the one target?

[haughty flicker]

well if you're reapplying ruptures you're doing it one at a time unless you use vanish

in which case your mark wont fall off because you arent using finishers on the marked target

[digital stirrup]

Yeah more so if I use the final charge of mark and then realize oops I have ruptures falling off/fell off

[strange sleet]

you will dw