assassination

[grim jay]

[spice surge]

Once sub gets buffed ill just play that in those keys anyway

[grim jay]

Midnight?

Idk if we will see ToP and Workshop there

[balmy condor]

fucking workshop has so many useless mobs that reduce the pull down to like 3 at the start

like yeah you can demise the shit out of the blobs before kujo

but what's the point

[grim jay]

To look better on the meters

Can blame the others

[hardy rapids]

Always to look better on the meters

[balmy condor]

like workshop is giga pulls that aren't actually giga pulls

and then after kujo

[hardy rapids]

Can’t blame you if your meters are padded by demise

[balmy condor]

it's like 3-5 target

it's such a weird dungeon

[hardy rapids]

What dungeons do you guys not like this season?

[grim jay]

Dfc

And cinderbrew

[spice surge]

Garden boss is probably the hardest dungeon boss that isnt actually hard

[balmy condor]

I'm not a fan of workshop

[hardy rapids]

I do not like priory, it just isn’t that fun for me

[spice surge]

Like you need to be gaming pretty much the entire time on that fight, and its annoying when it gets too long

[balmy condor]

workshop is too gimmicky

[hardy rapids]

Yeah it’s pretty gimmicky

[balmy condor]

top is like, kinda fine but I hate how press W it is

[hardy rapids]

MEGA TRUE!

[balmy condor]

the rest I'm kinda okay with

[shy axle]

i need to concentrate so much to not walk into one of those damn cogwheels the longer the fight gets

[balmy condor]

cinderbrew is pretty hold W as well but aoe is fun and I unironically think ipa is one of the best dungeon bosses

[hardy rapids]

Top is my goat dungeon. That and dawn of the infinite. Been playing since mop but recency bias makes me love those

[balmy condor]

ipa is basically just blob mechanic, but if you fuck it up, it's punishing

[grim jay]

The only saving grace for dfc is that its rather short imo

That dungeon is a pest

[balmy condor]

short dungeon boss

with a very clear fail mechanic

[hardy rapids]

It’s a weird boss for me. Feels too old school for a newer dungeon.

[lavish portal]

is there a haste min %/number we want for ST fights? my sims says always i should socket krit haste 🧐

[balmy condor]

no

[hardy rapids]

NO

[granite leaf]

What did they do to my boi Cooltharok, he's now midtharok 😦

[red schooner]

Also, bee boss, pretty fun

Get to ride a bee

[hardy rapids]

That dungeon isn’t fun past kobold king

[balmy condor]

bee boss is okay

[lavish portal]

dont trust the sim with krit haste socket? 😅

[red schooner]

Get to shoot bees at things

[balmy condor]

you trust the sim

[red schooner]

Like, that's a solid boss right there

[balmy condor]

vehicle combat is so fucked

[hardy rapids]

If the sim says you need it then you need it.

[red schooner]

Ye but you're on a bee and it makes up for it

[spice surge]

I dislike feint not working on the big aoe knockback on that boss

[red schooner]

Now we just wait for oculus in the m+ rotation

[hardy rapids]

I FUCKING KNEW IT. I thought I was going schizo

[balmy condor]

elusiveness L + Ratio + didn't ask + works on everything

[hardy rapids]

Please stop

[granite leaf]

You mean flutter wings?

[spice surge]

Ye but thats 20%

[granite leaf]

Or whatever it's called

[red schooner]

WAIT IT DOESN'T

[spice surge]

I want 40%

[spice surge]

Yes

[red schooner]

That and violet hold

[hardy rapids]

I want tazavesh next season

[balmy condor]

blizzard made a statement that violet hold would never enter m+

tazavesh a third time pog

[red schooner]

They said nothing about the oculus though

Let's go

[hardy rapids]

I missed out the other 2 seasons it was in rotation

[spice surge]

10000% its going to be seat in any of the upcoming seasons

No way they do content with void ethereals and dont include seat in the dungeon pool

[balmy condor]

we haven't even seen seat

we've seen cathedral once I think?

[granite leaf]

VH M+ is an oxymoron

[spice surge]

Cathedral and seat were only active during legion, so cathedral would be for 2 seasons and seat for 1

[balmy condor]

temple of sethralis also only came back once I feel

we've seen siege like 35 times

[granite leaf]

There are so many dungeons I've just fully forgetting

[quasi pine]

Where is tol'dagor in the rotation

[red schooner]

And maw

[balmy condor]

tol'dagor is still in prison for giving us AoE caps

[worthy fable]

How do you play the blobs as assa?

[balmy condor]

rupture + ct + walk away

[granite leaf]

Let the range handle them, but put dots on them

[worthy fable]

do you wanna wait for them to stack and send a vanish?

[balmy condor]

I mean you can I guess

[worthy fable]

or just sprint and spam ruptures + ct

[red schooner]

If I have a vanish up and they're clumped, normally a quick vanish garrote rupture CT and then back to boss

[spice surge]

Luckily assa in dungeon spec can actually do something besides hitting the boss 100% of the time

[balmy condor]

well, in bleed moreso

[spice surge]

In raid not so much, were locked into hitting boss until it dies or we do

[balmy condor]

hybrid still hates itself

[red schooner]

At the minimum a CT and maybe a cheeky little arterial execute shiv

As a treat

[worldly sail]

abusing the affix orbs on weekly 10s is funny, getting a giga 100% buffed CT on the boss

[balmy condor]

MY AMP POISON STACKS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spice surge]

Ye feels nice being able to do damage to stuff like the cart in dfc

[balmy condor]

especially the people that run like ttk

[worthy fable]

when do you generally wanna send shivs in the m+?

[balmy condor]

cause most of its value is in amp poison

just doomed

[worthy fable]

do you wanna use it for execute?

[balmy condor]

Depends if you have ttk or not

Sorry

If you have arterial*

Not ttk

[steel ridge]

its bedtime

[ocean fable]

Is the bleed build the go to for higher keys now?

[grand trail]

guys i have big question

how do you get out of prison if you targeted

[subtle tundra]

you play nelf

[steel ridge]

pineapple doesnt belong on pizza

[grand trail]

meůf

nelf

[red schooner]

Alt-f4 that pull is over for you now

[grand trail]

how does it help

[subtle tundra]

velf

i misstyped!

voidelf

[grand trail]

no way

NO WAY

[subtle tundra]

well theres this other option

of staying in it

[red schooner]

Last kill pull I got selected for jail and got the ice because that boss hates me

[grand trail]

dude

dont lie

i heard about shadowstep tech

[subtle tundra]

oh that?

[grand trail]

someone was saying smg but dont remmeber what

[subtle tundra]

no clue what youre talking about

pretty sure our rogue would've done it if it was a thing

[grand trail]

oki

so its velf angle

[subtle tundra]

or stay in uwu

also dont dps

in it

[grand trail]

i mean we did not pull boss yet

[subtle tundra]

uwu

you dont want to get out too early!

[grand trail]

but im watching dratnos and he lag out when he was saying what rogue do

to get out

[subtle tundra]

you 💳

[grand trail]

man im going to check logs now

and if i find your lying to me

im really mad

[subtle tundra]

lying would require having knowledge of the thing youre talking about

[lost wharf]

Yo @balmy condor , you said yesterday that fishing for demise with a ct is bad, coz you only get 66% of ct, but could get 100% of envenom. It was kind of a ragebait discussion that somebody else started so I didn't wanna fuel any fire. I was just wondering how much the actual difference is. I get that envenom might be more, but envenom and ct do not have the same baseline value I guess? Basically I'm wondering what the actual numbers are in difference, as I don't think my cast is 34% less effective, if I cast ct. It's probably fluent depending on number of targets, how much of your ct is left etc.

[grand trail]

this man

is the man of culture

as i keep saying

on use for assa not even that good

[subtle tundra]

ok then dont play it

[loud hearth]

I could've sworn I read on RLE FAQ that could could Shadowstep out immediately on hit (but it was a very difficult execution).

Looking at it now it only advises that Outlaw can grapple out.

[subtle tundra]

if no on use is 20k dps loss, would that even lose his r1?

[grand trail]

its not 20k dps loss is break even

[subtle tundra]

i kinda doubt

[grand trail]

i simmed whjen even mythic priory trinket was break even with kezan and and magnet

[subtle tundra]

and is magnet not on-use

or am i tripping

[grand trail]

i mean hoc/prirory in general

[subtle tundra]

youre comparing kezan, bis passive

[grand trail]

jhe is not alone

[subtle tundra]

yeah buddy who fucking cares

its a sidegrade

[grand trail]

so since its only void elf or staying, may i ask what staying in requie me to do than?

like just dodge the little frontals and thats it?

[subtle tundra]

scratch your balls

you dont want to get out too fast

so you might aswell not dps

and let the assigned cage dpser do his job

[lost wharf]

Why do you even play it like that? I haven't looked at Mug'Zee, still stuck in Stix hell

[warm vortex]

99 gally parse got locked in

Let's fucking go

[deep gyro]

Relatable

[grand trail]

yuge

now you can give some pro tips for mugzee

[subtle tundra]

cause theres ice spears afterwards and you dont want to get them on you

if youre in cage you cant get them

[lost wharf]

Can you not bait them into the walls afterwards on mythic? Or what is the issue?

[plush isle]

Is there a world in which we will eventually play Fatebound this addon or has Blizzard just given up ? With other classes there seems to be the idea of balancing these hero talents trees.

Imagine you are the Classdesigner for Fatebound, you have to feel like the worthless designer ever.

[subtle tundra]

you dont want to spawn them randomly in the room
everyone is stacked and knows where to not stay when they go out

[warm vortex]

For BM i can

[grand trail]

oh siet

[subtle tundra]

and if you get out too early there might be casualties. which is NOT worth it

your dps is IRRELEVANT to minmax

[lost wharf]

Ah, so it's more of an overlap thing. You don't want to get thrown in a bad spot at the wrong time and be out of position.

[subtle tundra]

yes

theoretically its fine to go out early if you go out very early(and when you get knocked out you break only ONE WALL VERY IMPORTANT)

and that wall is towards the middle of the room

[grand trail]

see its literarry break even

[subtle tundra]

YEA MAN

youre the only person who cares

[solar wyvern]

Yeah was fun having someone stand on the corner of a wall and break 2 and snipe the mage

[subtle tundra]

but yeah lets not consider that seaforium can actually be very dogshit whenever you dont get to patchwerk and have to hold your cds a bit etc and then the proc is misaligned

or kezan whenever theres shorter fights

or you die

cause sims dont represent a raid

[grand trail]

oh no shit

im just saying

[subtle tundra]

and actually a on use trinket is much better in real world

[grand trail]

it blows my midn that 2min isnt automatically way more ahead

[bitter horizon]

Is the bleed build any better for ST, it sims better then KB build on ST 5 minutes

[subtle tundra]

simming 5 minutes for m+ isnt the ideal scenario

you should sim 2 or 3 or 4 depending on your keylevel

[bitter horizon]

i ment ST for raiding, for m+ i use dungeon slice

[subtle tundra]

BRUH

bleed build is non existant in raid

its not a thing

dont consider it

[bitter horizon]

interessting thank you

[grand trail]

and how this party buff works in real life in raid

is it smg which actually work and sim maybe take in account?

[subtle tundra]

things like this are never in sims

its a very minor thing

and very annoying to raid leaders

cause you have priory users dm raid leader urmgmgmm please make a priory group

my 5k dps! !! ! !!

[grand trail]

its like 7800 stats vs 8600 stats

but w/e i like just dont know how does it works

[subtle tundra]

10k dps

[lost wharf]

It's not that bad. There is a weakaura or something that can tell you who wears it and you just move them together on raid start.

[subtle tundra]

id put that in very annoying

[lost wharf]

If that is very annoying to you already, you'd have an aneurysm in my raid.

[subtle tundra]

a vein bursts whenever i hear my raid leaders calls who gets the PIs

[lost wharf]

We avoid thinking for ourselves as much as possible. There is some sim list that states which specs have the higheste PI value and priests are told to adhere to it.

[grand trail]

i mentioned afte raid that i saw assa rogues getting PI in excecute on bandit

damn ppl really swapped to void elf a lot

thats sad

[subtle tundra]

best execute spec, kinda good getting PI

[spice surge]

Its absolutely the best on mugzee

[grand trail]

our best pull 1,5% p2 boss dmg

[lost wharf]

Are we really? I thought Warriors would be better.

[grand trail]

yeah but the void elf is like faction change

not really fan

can you faction change betwen raids now or you wait for next reset

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grand trail]

not like this

[hidden bay]

cant trust priests to grip you out of gaols

[humble verge]

we are supposed to have 4 crafts this week right

[hidden bay]

besides that racial dps is so minimal

[grand trail]

yeah

its like

[knotty summit]

Isn’t it 3.5

[grand trail]

just void elf is so lkame

[earnest remnant]

you can, but you lose vantus

[humble verge]

100% sure it was 4 but

maybe im wrong

[grand trail]

i wont have vantus anyway

since we are still on bandit

i will have to ask whats the plan

mnaybe im not even on boss

[hidden bay]

if you are not in on the boss you might call your rl a monkey

[humble verge]

why wouldnt you

if you play sub atleast

on bandit, you would be prio

since you burst down the bomb adds

eitherway, assa is still giga boss damage

[grand trail]

or i dust off this guy

[humble verge]

im sitting on like 50-100m over everyone else on wipes

since im not padding

[grand trail]

bro the faction change is actually expensive

[humble verge]

20 euro?

[grand trail]

like 30

[humble verge]

WHAT

i thought faction was 20

race also 20

or 15

[grand trail]

after i bough 12-14 tokens for mythic boe they should give me one fro free

[lost wharf]

Yday we dropped the myth cloth belt with socket and avoidance

[grand trail]

i cant help myself but i really like the look of new tier set

[humble verge]

its goated

honestly, one of the better looking tier sets lately

[grand trail]

yeah the S1 did not hit my vibe

[humble verge]

people who liked s1 idk man

weird taste

[halcyon grail]

pvp recolor is my fav

the black grey silver purple unf

[fallen orbit]

true i started doing pvp for the purple set

[halcyon grail]

do they still let you buy them next expac with marks of honor as an ensemble?

[fallen orbit]

but i suck tbh 😄 hope i can grind it somehow 😄

[humble verge]

yes pretty normal afaik

[halcyon grail]

cause its literally never used in pvp with no set bonus, and purely for the tansmog

[grand trail]

can you shoiw the purple one

[humble verge]

this one?

[fallen orbit]

no

s2 one

[humble verge]

oh

pvp set then

cause i cant see no purple s2

wtf is whisp cooking up

[humble verge]

only purple is the feathers icl

[fallen orbit]

cant find better pic for some reason 😄

[humble verge]

thats grey

grey/purple

[grand trail]

red is better

[humble verge]

the normal raid one looks pretty cool icl

mythic ver just too much

[halcyon grail]

honestly, everytime they dress rogue in gold and red I'm like "were a stealth class,bro the fck?"

[fallen orbit]

i would combine the purple shoulders with something purple is such good ocollor

[halcyon grail]

but then again I also remember blizz devs ripped massive lines in legion and said "haha ninjas and pirates." and bungled two specs

[fallen orbit]

exactly 😄

[halcyon grail]

just went full scarface and then straight for the bollocks.

https://tenor.com/view/ejemplo-tony-montana-scarface-al-pacino-gif-17798122

[hexed pumice]

quick question, does our stat distribution change a bit for raid? or does it stay the same

[halcyon grail]

"Class/ Spec identity."

[subtle tundra]

uh i believe its bad if you faction change

i think you fuck up your lockout

or something

i heard my guild talk about it

[hexed pumice]

watching logs from rogues seems some of them dump crit/mastery for more haste

[earnest remnant]

nah thats fine

according to Imexile

he faction changed mid mug'zee prog week

you just say bye bye to vantus

[fallen orbit]

i have like 20 crit 13 haste 56 mastery 12 vers

[subtle tundra]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[subtle tundra]

fuck you loser

[royal lantern]

fk you varas

[earnest remnant]

fuck both of you?

[grim jay]

Fuck me, both of you

[subtle tundra]

yeah pls 🍆

[grim jay]

Wait what

[halcyon grail]

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053748

[static glacier]

Bro the boss room is a casino with shiny shit, it’s the perfect camouflage

https://tenor.com/view/angry-evil-pepe-the-frog-red-gif-26333702

[dense cove]

With new bleed build it’s worth to apply a new rupture towards end of a pack to proc sudden demise over using envenom?

[cunning needle]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[static glacier]

Yes

[normal mist]

Me: opens discord
Discord homies:

[static glacier]

It can be

[static glacier]

I’d still prio a dn env but it depends on mob hp, number of mobs

Etc

A lot of factors

[bright tartan]

Deez nuts enveniom

[halcyon grail]

[spice surge]

You wanna make sure you always have as many scent stacks as possible, thats the first thing

But typically envenom with spatter is gonna do more (especially with DN) than a fully sudden demised rupture unless its like 2 targets left

[sonic schooner]

perfect screenshot Royal

[proud pelican]

Is assassination one of the better execute specs in raid currently? I don’t know much about other specs execute profiles currently

[balmy condor]

yeah the issue is that CT is softcap 8 and caustic spatter is softcap 5 and the actual convo was regarding the sudden demise in prio damage, not overall. You saying "my cast is 34% less effective though" is a bit confusing to me, cause that's just how math works. Sudden demise requires you deal 1.5 bleed damage for every 1 health remaining. That's a 33.33% loss in efficiency, by definition. You're not getting 1 damage for casting 1 damage, you're getting 1 damage for casting 1.5 damage. But I digress.

it's too many variables to really condense down properly, but some quick math says that all other things being equal on a bleed build, the only thing that's affecting CT and not envenom would be lethal dose, and sudden demise. Arterial would be buffing bleeds and envenom/caustic evenly, zoldyck affects everything, etc. So just by that, we can sorta estimate that CT on the main target is getting buffed by lethal dose through deadly, numbing, garrote, rupture, tempest itself, bone spike, and doomblade (since you're applying it naturally when you apply caustic). That's 7x2% is 14%, sudden demise is another 15%. Lets say a 5 target pull to keep the math more consistent and not get into softcap nonsense 5cp CT is doing 147.9% after accounting for 10% haste (feel free to try and reverse the CT damage calc yourself but it's insanely aids cause CT numbers are a fucking nightmare), with the 100% increased and all the multipliers (and follow the blood for good measure), that's 504.12% in terms of "total damage" per target for its full duration. If the mob dies instantly on application that would end up being 336.08% in sudden demise damage. Conversely, an envenom at 5cp is already just 200% damage straight up to the target, we always have rapid injection in this case, so 220%, caustic spatter is 40% to other targets, so you're getting 88% damage to 4 targets which is 352% total, singular focus is then 5% back, but it's mastery buffed, so it's really around 8%, so you're getting back 28.16%. The envenom is now doing 248.16%. So far so good, CT sudden demise bigger number better. Where this falls apart however is that sudden demise can't crit, envenom can. With an around average crit rate of 36ish% for non-darkest night casts, we end up with 337.49%, which is a whopping full 1.41% expected value higher than the full CT sudden demise. Now obviously the math is pretty rough around the edges, but anything to make this more "real" ends up hurting the CT. Like just think about the add NOT dying instantly. It doesn't really matter how long it lives until demise kicks in, but during that time, you're still autoing and getting poison applications which envenom is buffing, while the demise damage is ticking away. If you have any envenom buff (hybrid with amp poison, darkest night proc), all of it flies out the window cause the envenom gets buffed. On top of that, we're assuming the CT you're casting is 100% efficient, if there's time remaining on your last CT and it's not in pandemic, you're naturally running at a loss because you're wasting CT uptime. So In a 100% perfect world on 5 targets, yes can be equal prio damage maybe sometimes. In reality, HEAVY doubt that it ever lines up perfectly like that

Tldr before an army of cringe shitheads goes "I ain't reading that": It's close but envenom should still be slightly better prio. If you have insane haste from like PI/Lust, CT maybe better if it executes very shortly after. For overall/aoe yep CT good button big demisemaxxing good. We love bleeds and demise cranking, good question

[balmy condor]

assa execute is the best in the game currently, with warriors right behind

[proud pelican]

Sicknasty

[frank trench]

Is death mark and kingsbane only single target and put into the prio guy?

[subtle tundra]

didnt even read the tldr

[balmy condor]

in english please

[frank trench]

My god my phone is working against me edited

[balmy condor]

you put your single target cooldowns into a single target

[subtle tundra]

poiuytrewq

[frank trench]

But does deathmark and kingsbane splash in any way I’m not seeing someplace that makes them

[balmy condor]

kingsbane splashes with caustic spatter

deathmark duplicates poisons, which makes kingsbane stronger, which splashes

poisons splash

bleeds do not, so that portion is just raw prio

[subtle tundra]

and deathmark gives a big dmg boost afterwards!

[balmy condor]

yeh

lingering darkness good

[frank trench]

Thank you that makes sense sorry my ability to comprehend complex things is lacking when I read a mass of stuff

🙂

So when playing bleed build it’s send mark into a prio and make sure bleeds are spread for aoe shiv

[balmy condor]

yes

[ruby bolt]

Hi all, new rogue / assassination enjoyer. It seems like there is different talent builds on each of the sites (veins, wowhead, method). Is there any knowledge to which is best for M+ right now? Doing casual 10s and pushing some 12s

I am using the wowhead one with Arterial currently.

[balmy condor]

wowhead is most up to date

the other two lag behind

[frank trench]

I am having great luck doing 11 12 on bleed build

But I don’t even know how stuff works so probably ignore me XD

[balmy condor]

bleed build only gets better the lower the key

and it's arguably the best build, at minimum at least viable in 17's

so yeah, it'll crank in 10's and 12's

[lean plover]

Huh arterial precision buffs envenom or did i read inmensely wrong

Oh no

Shiv buffs nature dmg

[grim jay]

[fallen orbit]

holly shit 😄

[lean plover]

More than 6 talent choices hurt my brain

[nova aspen]

[hearty reef]

[balmy condor]

also herp you might get your wish

[hidden bay]

I need a second opinion on this from top IO rogues, sorry bro

[balmy condor]

I think there's rupture snipe potential

[fallen orbit]

i run 12 13s with bleed aoe i am 1st always but boss i fell behind... still overall is very good wit that. did on priory like 3.8m overall

[balmy condor]

but me and eleem have been suffering for a while around what the fuck venomous wounds is doing

so

uh

dunno

maybe good though smile

[royal lantern]

yeha thats assa

[lean plover]

Assa is full aoe and prio nuking. Your st is bad, period

[ruby bolt]

When should you vanish during death mark sequence?

[spice surge]

Turns out the game is (once again) just straightup lying with the tooltips

[nova aspen]

[proud pelican]

[hidden bay]

Small indie company

[jaunty matrix]

feet company

[spice surge]

Lying is maybe pushing it in this case, but its definitely missleading

[midnight mist]

eleem

[spice surge]

Zac

[midnight mist]

you know one of the most important thing about outlaw

[stable pasture]

ST seems kinda poopoo

[nova aspen]

zac is back

[midnight mist]

isnt even mentionned anywhere in the tooltips

like that adr reduce gcd is not mentionned anywhere

[spice surge]

I dont know what youre referring to, but i believe it

[midnight mist]

and that it scales with haste

[spice surge]

Oh ye

[midnight mist]

you have no idea

unless you read discord

[spice surge]

[proud pelican]

We summoned Zac

[spice surge]

Secret technique also has a very unhelpful tooltip

[jaunty matrix]

why i remember that being mentioned in tooltip ?

[midnight mist]

because it says

attack speed

which i guess could be interpreted as gcd reduction

[nova aspen]

sectec is the coolest spell i ever used, and also the buggiest spell i ever used

[balmy condor]

the hunt for accurate tooltips

[proud pelican]

Does ar also increase melee attack speed?

[cerulean walrus]

Swirl the mojo until it crystallizes

[jaunty matrix]

doesn't haste do that too anyway

[hidden bay]

I have no idea what i press

[jaunty matrix]

or is haste only for skills

[midnight mist]

yes

i think

[proud pelican]

[nova aspen]

and u call urself an outlaw veteran

[midnight mist]

bro who knows, adr does litteraly everything

energy, attack speed, gcd reduction scaling with haste, increase max enregy

gives cp

[lean plover]

Adr makes you dinner and kisses youe in the forehead when you got to sleep

[agile wedge]

do we utilize this in a way or just play normal rotation?

[proud pelican]

Give assassination adr

Or I riot

[balmy condor]

trying to reverse engineer what venomous wounds actually does required me to recollect divine knowledge from wod like some fucking time traveler with the eldritch gift of cosmic lucidity

it's

insanely cooked

[subtle tundra]

so what does it do

[static glacier]

Does everything but what you want a cd to do which is a lot of damage

[midnight mist]

have you tried reading the tooltip tho, seems very clear to me

noob

[royal lantern]

he, give them some slack

im sure that the game doesnt mention Haste GCD reduction at all for anything

or that energy classes have 1sec GCD that cant be reduced by default

[midnight mist]

i does infinite damage actually, not sure there is many specs that have a cd that powerful

[balmy condor]

the on death part seems to be just "remaining duration in seconds * 5"

[midnight mist]

its just always active

[balmy condor]

which makes

no fucking sense

[subtle tundra]

so yeah they didnt update it

[balmy condor]

with any of the rest of it

[subtle tundra]

and its not hasted

[balmy condor]

correct

[midnight mist]

true i guess

[static glacier]

I’m fairly sure if you replace it with another class’ cd and let that cd benefit from restless blades you could create giga broken things

[spice surge]

Somewhere between 4.75-5s it would seem when im checking some logs

[subtle tundra]

so it lies

[kind forge]

How far ahead of warrior is assa execute ?

[subtle tundra]

a bit

like 2 maybe 3

[proud pelican]

Varas making as much sense as a tooltip

[subtle tundra]

i usually am a tip

[nova aspen]

2, maybe 3 glorps ahead

[subtle tundra]

what the glorp

[proud pelican]

3 whole glorps?

[subtle tundra]

who said that

[midnight mist]

eh, outlaw probably crumble into itself if you remove adr rn, not sure what cd would even come close

[nova aspen]

[midnight mist]

could give outlaw perma uptime on shadowblades it would prolly do half the damage it does rn with adr

[static glacier]

I’m gona cook something while commuting home

[balmy condor]

well I assume it's 5 and just "haha spell ticked and lost duration and networking something something you lost a second"

[midnight mist]

do so

[spice surge]

Ye thats probably it

[static glacier]

Am I allowed to convert haste to gcd reduction or energy?

[midnight mist]

energy specs dont get gcd reduction from haste so no i will not allow that

haste is already energy for outlaw

altough really isnt our main source

[royal lantern]

thats Monster

[midnight mist]

redbull if you ask zero

[spice surge]

Aka suspicious energy drink

[royal lantern]

didnt ask zero

[nova aspen]

zeross too busy swapping specs 4 times a key

peak min maxer

[midnight mist]

never swaps outlaw tho

strange

[nova aspen]

outlaw bad

[lean plover]

He obviously doesnt have a sword

[jaunty matrix]

you still gonna be falling asleep cursing yourself in ST

[static glacier]

Or similar effects to outlaw spells

ATM enh ascendance is seeming like a contender for replacing AR, upgraded ranged generator / arm ignore on everything and automatically spending

[midnight mist]

increased range yes yes

automatically spending for rogues tho

if i speak

[nova aspen]

if u chose to play 1 key as outlaw which would it be

top?

[midnight mist]

priory is an insane outlaw key

[static glacier]

Other than that ascendance features refund on resource from static accumulation

As a baseline thing

[midnight mist]

just in higher key you might pull too much

outlaw isnt really good in top idk

outlaw was good in low target cleave in sl

that aint really the case anymore, we like 5/8 targets pack

[nova aspen]

[static glacier]

If not ascendance then true shot, extra crit chance and damage (a lot of it) and massive cdr to main cd spells (would be bte, spree, ghostly and vanish for us)

[nova aspen]

i got the myth fist from carnage

so i could try some law

[static glacier]

In addition to extra extension and cdr on true shot itself

[royal lantern]

ye, dungeon desing changed, outlaw/dps warrior didnt, so its a bit weird

[static glacier]

Both these CDs could feasibly replace ADR

[midnight mist]

i mean outlaw design changed quite a bit

i remember even in df outlaw was kind of the king of prio damage

idk if you remember that

really isnt the case anymore

hell if you play fatebound you lose legit 20% st damage when there is targets around your targets

[royal lantern]

tbh, not really that much

[nova aspen]

outlaw in atal dazar

i forget which season that one was in

[midnight mist]

s3 i think

[nova aspen]

yea i loved outlaw in s3

[royal lantern]

bfa s2 outlaw in atal

you know

[midnight mist]

i mean it hasnt changed much

only improved imo

[royal lantern]

the time where 2-3x outlaw was a top tier comp

[midnight mist]

if you ignore hero talents

[royal lantern]

[midnight mist]

[nova aspen]

hero talents

[static glacier]

OL now is better to play than before tbh, the payoff for playing it is what’s in question

[spice spire]

You get to uh

[midnight mist]

this is still hard to say rn with killing spree

and we have no niches anymore

[spice spire]

Kill your friends with killing spree

[static glacier]

I just imagine that blizzard will stop trolling and give it the blade dance treatment

[midnight mist]

remember when you would play outlaw on cleave fights in raid

[spice spire]

Wdym you have 8t cleave no burst

[spice surge]

Fatebound is so fucking cringe with that

[midnight mist]

imagine kurog now

[spice spire]

That’s a niche

Flat as the fucking earth damage graph

[proud pelican]

Kurog with killing spree

[midnight mist]

ok but assa and sub also have 8 t cleave

[spice surge]

Not only do you do less damage with your proc, the duplication on your maintarget is also removed and instead put onto 2 other targets

[midnight mist]

ye idk

the design is veryweird

[spice spire]

Yeah but they have burst

Outlaw flat damage profile

[midnight mist]

you have deathstalker that is allowed to do infinite funnel

and then coins

are like

you jhust lose infinite prio

what for ??

oh nothing

just

[spice surge]

So like instead of spattering the extra envenom damage you have on ST

[midnight mist]

you lose it

[spice surge]

It just goes on 2 random other targets

So for example on mugzee

[royal lantern]

assa fatebound being ~1% worse in ST, and then like 25% worse in m+

[spice surge]

I would just randomly do less damage because were standing next to the mines

[royal lantern]

very good desinged tree

[spice surge]

or the caster add

[willow eagle]

Are you really sad that fatebound is not good for Asda tho?

Like if they buff fb

[royal lantern]

no

[midnight mist]

how much worse prio is it tho

like

[willow eagle]

Is it good gameplay?

[static glacier]

I think it might be better for OL to function more like pre rework sub with strong mini bursts and scaling into aoe

[royal lantern]

fuck fatebound

[midnight mist]

200% prolly

crazy talent man

[royal lantern]

dogshit lol

[spice surge]

Theres practically nothing to play around

[midnight mist]

imagine outlaw only playable talnet on mug is fatebound btw

[static glacier]

They could probably leverage OL’s history of having high crit and maybe let it scale like how mm does

[willow eagle]

Fatebound just needs a rebuild for both specs using it I feel.

[static glacier]

Or give em seal fate style effect or bonus, or let the double hit chance scale with crit

[midnight mist]

there is

[static glacier]

Ace proc chance crit based

[midnight mist]

you are forced to pull for your tank in m+, to keep up the capstone

!

[spice surge]

!

true

[midnight mist]

as outlaw this is the only time i ever interact with fatebound btw

[spice surge]

Convince them to equip kezan

And theyll do it by themselves

Teach a man to fish type shit

[midnight mist]

its fine i play kezan myself now

and i got used to doing that shit with fatebound

[spice spire]

God you’re so real

[midnight mist]

very experienced body puller here

hi

[lost wharf]

I see, so basically it's hard to calculate, because a whole bunch of things can happen and also hard to sim, because Sudden Demise procs aren't really simmable. My question regarding "my cast is 34% less effective" was meant towards the comparison of ct and envenom, not ct with ct. I get that my 66% ct is 34% less effective than a 100% ct. However the comparison is 66% ct and 100% envenom, which highly depends on the base value of ct and envenom which is why I was asking. If CT does a gazillion damage and envenom just does two damage, the 66% ct still might be better. However I must admit that I never got that the context of the question was prio damage. I'm just living for that pad style in my 10s, try to hit the highest overall and then tell each PUG I'm in to invite more Rogues, because big dam. Thanks for answering my question in great detail tho ❤️

[spice surge]

Unironically seems pretty good to just skip on-use for assa in keys

[proud pelican]

I watched you pull on a priory to keep it up and tank quit lol

[midnight mist]

you seen that one ?

was funny

[spice surge]

Kezan+energy drink or pacemaker

[midnight mist]

[proud pelican]

Yea 😂

[nova aspen]

i had a tank tell me to sap one of the priests in the triple pally pull before 2nd boss

i did it

died

[midnight mist]

why you die

[nova aspen]

paladins see invis

[midnight mist]

ye they do

i thnk if you are fast you can do it tho

with sprint

i was doing that in uh

the bfa dungeon last season

before third boss

the pirate dungeon

[nova aspen]

freehold?

tol dagor

no

[midnight mist]

wdym freehold

i said last season

as in

the season just before current one

[spice surge]

boralus

[midnight mist]

yes that one

[nova aspen]

ohh siege

[midnight mist]

like you would sap one of the guy

on these packs, to double pack

[nova aspen]

we still timed the key but it was funny

run in sap die

brez

[midnight mist]

and they sees invis

just have to be quick on your feets

[nova aspen]

if they see u can vanish it still prob?

[midnight mist]

vanishing in melee range wont do much

[gaunt quiver]

Im glad its over.

[static glacier]

Is hand of fate affected by zoldyck? My guess is no but asking

[iron vapor]

How bad was it? I've done the ? Version and it was pretty easy

[gaunt quiver]

I uploaded the fight to YT.

It was more of a pain than Zekvir.

Maybe 2 hours total spent on it cause I'm bad.

Spaced out those 2 hours though - couple attempts here and there.

[white dew]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[mystic osprey]

With the bleed build, is it always prio to just sprread rupture to literally every ssingle target?

Or is it just like the hybrid build?

[royal lantern]

spread more, but not to literally everything

like, if stuff dies fast, it doesnt need a rupture

[static glacier]

Good rule of thumb is if the mob is likely to live until rupture or expires or will be one of the final mobs alive in the pack it wants rupture

You don’t want to run out of ruptured mobs to spatter from

Usually you won’t rupture more than 9 targets

[stiff badger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[neat jacinth]

When playing with elusiveness and Bait and Switch, Evasion should give 20% base DR + 20 % magic DR, right? Cause the tooltip wont show for the 20% basic DR

[royal lantern]

well yeha, but its not 40%dr cus thats not how dr stacking works

but they stack

[ornate igloo]

In an AoE pull in M+, should we first DM the priority target and only after that Shiv for the 7+ hit, or the other way around? Or it doesn't matter the order?

with bleed build.

[balmy condor]

?

[wise whale]

My b

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter really, technically should be deathmark into shiv

[ornate igloo]

Got it, thanks

[feral wasp]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[mossy lantern]

So, what is the go to build for higher keys (13+) right now?

[hidden torrent]

just play bleed

[mossy lantern]

wowhead bleed build is correct?

[hidden torrent]

yep, whispyr updated it

[viscid spear]

[mossy lantern]

Damn, was playing the hybrid version till now

[hidden torrent]

he even put out a video in the last few days talking about different ways to play it

[mossy lantern]

will test the bleed one

[hidden torrent]

you won't go back hybrid

believe me, brother

[mossy lantern]

and can i really let go of Iron Wire and ppl will learn how to interrupt?

[hidden torrent]

i meannnnnnnn, that's up to you

[viscid spear]

Not your responsibility

[hidden torrent]

having double shiv is very nice

[viscid spear]

Just embrace the Bleed Blender

[hidden torrent]

shiving a pack full of bleeds at 35%, that pack is dead

you'll catch some 25mil sudden demise procs

[red schooner]

Can confirm, wasn't a believer, tried it for one dungeon, now a believer

Shits fun

[inner swift]

yeah untill you fail a boss on timer cuz you do 900k st

[sonic schooner]

yet

u do more ST as bleed build than hybrid

that s just assa

[hidden torrent]

if you're doing 900k on ST, you aren't playing rogue lol

[coral ibex]

wild self report

[inner swift]

on 14s hybrid is fine for me

[hidden torrent]

mans playing rogue with his toes talking about can't break 900k

[sonic schooner]

to me the real diff between the 2 builds are the prio damage is way higher with dm kb

[coral ibex]

hybrid literally has worse ST

go off king

[sonic schooner]

other than that, same shit, bleeds bring more st and easier time to ramp up bleeds in aoe

[dapper cradle]

super cool and not lame comp diversity

[sonic schooner]

somnius

it s only starting

give it 1 more week

[coral ibex]

i see diversity

any one of the 3 dps could be listed first

[sonic schooner]

just one more week

[subtle tundra]

woah the hardest content is done by the best spec amazing

[sonic schooner]

i see diversity

some mages are fire

other arcane

and most frost

look at that beauty

zeross doing some sub action

[coral ibex]

it could be boomie uhdk mage OR boomie mage uhdk OR mage boomie uhdk OR mage uhdk boomie OR uhdk mage boomie OR uhdk boomie mage

that's diversity baby

[subtle tundra]

this bitching again

not even i am this stupid

[coral ibex]

bro had blood beast on the brain

[dapper cradle]

censi posts data for all of m+

varas still shitting his pants

love to see it

[sonic schooner]

i mean there s nothing to bitch about, it s what metagame is in everygame

[dapper cradle]

yeah but rogue is not part of the meta game

[subtle tundra]

rh still not understanding what a meta is

[sonic schooner]

i m still amazed ret is always up there

[dapper cradle]

so I will also shit my pants

[sonic schooner]

u want to be a meta rogue

wait for bfa classic

[coral ibex]

ret is always up there because there's like 7 million ret players

[subtle tundra]

idk we had last season up there with assa being playable

[coral ibex]

paladin is the most common class iirc

[dapper cradle]

ret is honestly just a solid spec ngl

good damage

cr

tanky

[coral ibex]

fuck rets

[subtle tundra]

so why would people complain in fucking assa

[sonic schooner]

there s as many ret than hunters regarding the numbers of keys done per class so far

[coral ibex]

♿

[sonic schooner]

yet

hunters low

[subtle tundra]

when it was super good very recently

.

[sonic schooner]

because people wanna be top big top 3

like i said earlier in the season before the first balance patch

Sub was in the best spot possible, no nerf no buffs needed, perfectly top of the middle

but people were still complaining that sub wasnt rank 1 everywhere

[spice surge]

Spec diversity was better when gearing up was harder

[sonic schooner]

^

[stuck knoll]

Aye

[sonic schooner]

this is so true

[stuck knoll]

That is what gatekeeping helps

[dapper cradle]

the sub nerf at the beginning of the season was so fucking cringe bro

[stuck knoll]

Cuz it makes it so you gotta make do with ehat you got

[sonic schooner]

yea, sub needed bit of a nerf, but not the big one it took

[dapper cradle]

it didn't even need the nerf though

[stuck knoll]

If you make it really easy to reroll the expectation is rerolling

[sonic schooner]

yea now u just

reroll

[dapper cradle]

crafted dagger week 1 + transmitter

[sonic schooner]

3 days in game you re 665+

gg

[dapper cradle]

skewed data

[stuck knoll]

I went from like

645 or something

To 663 in a weekend on my dk alt

[sonic schooner]

my mage did lvl 70 to 80 664ilvl in 20h of /played

[spice spire]

Ok nerd

[stuck knoll]

It had some extra crests cuz I’d played it in our splits

[sonic schooner]

but this mage is blessed

[stuck knoll]

But like

It still is crazy

[sonic schooner]

got mugzee trinket this week in vault

[stuck knoll]

Fucking kiss me you won’t

[spice spire]

You activated my trap card pal

[stuck knoll]

My DK has some illegal voodoo magic

[proud pelican]

Should we all kiss?

[spice spire]

About to kiss you with my tongue

[stuck knoll]

At looting Eye and HoC in our reclears

[dapper cradle]

trap? like a lady with a cock?

[sonic schooner]

???????

[spice spire]

[dapper cradle]

i can't be the only one who knows what a trap is

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s just not a word I’d use in that context

[coral ibex]

i think that term is kind of a faux pas these days ngl

at the very least

[spice spire]

Harmful to those who are trans and that’s a few of my friends so I’d just not

[spice surge]

Its gonna be fairly easy to get to like 674-675, its only really the last 3-4 ilvls that are gonna be a bit of a struggle since it requires vault or m raid

[stuck knoll]

Yeah I don’t think it’s particularly appreciated by a lot of trans people even when used not at them

[sonic schooner]

it s a bit pejorative i think

as a word

and by a bit and i think, i mean a lot and i m sure

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-man-stressed-problematic-gif-15976565

[coral ibex]

we've evolved beyond using porn tags to refer to real people

[spice spire]

I’m a sensitive man, I work with sick babies for a living. So like ofc I end up caring about little things that wouldn’t bother me. Like the R word that’s filtered here

[dapper cradle]

lol nope

we just made new terms

[sonic schooner]

somnius ya kinda sus no cap that was no dank of you iykyk

[dapper cradle]

[sonic schooner]

[stuck knoll]

[coral ibex]

self reporting as omega porn brained is wild

[spice spire]

Jokes on you, Ronkles is saved as big dick papi in my phone

[stuck knoll]

Okay but that is inaccurate

I am average nice and not a father

[spice spire]

[coral ibex]

you dont have to be a father to be a papi

[slate crown]

It's not about knowing what it is, it's that that concept is like, #17 on the list of things that word would refer to in my mind, and it's weird if it shows up as #1 on your list.

[dapper cradle]

self reporting as non-omega porn brained is based

[slate crown]

Buddy you do not know what my porn brained levels are it just doesn't correlate to that

[spice spire]

I do though

[coral ibex]

lmao

LE said you dont know me

[spice spire]

(I don’t)

@stuck knoll

[dapper cradle]

holy based I kneel

[slate crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317321735569408030/1317321817798479872/E66C1502-FB56-4021-97BC-BA8B22911F23.gif

[stuck knoll]

sigh I am on a bus and that just popped up

[bright tartan]

Do you have some more

[slate crown]

I'm sorry. Also hi to everyone on the bus

[normal mist]

[stuck knoll]

[stuck knoll]

It is fine I scrolled in such a way that it was non visible and then waited for enough messages to scroll back to the bottom

[stuck knoll]

Out here trying to make more Georges

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-shaking-head-fisheye-lens-gif-25374523

[stuck knoll]

What is that gif

[viscid spear]

[arctic finch]

I thought i was in the wrong discord

What is this

[stuck knoll]

Okay that is enough assassination channel in public

[spice spire]

[sonic schooner]

ok

[viscid spear]

Assassination, duh

[sonic schooner]

i just alttabbed back in this channel

wtf is happening here

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/mhw-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-finger-point-gif-15920010080149579513

[sonic schooner]

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-left-me-broken-speech-bubble-monday-left-me-broken-speech-monday-left-me-broken-monday-cat-speech-bubble-monday-cat-gif-15434776544662263303

[spice spire]

The usual tbh

[viscid spear]

It's all the blood loss, making us woozy

[dapper cradle]

Where’s all your blood going bruv?

[near valley]

classic sintivities at work here

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

My head because my Druid can't get a damn Signet

[near valley]

you tried looting one?

[viscid spear]

[red schooner]

Oh hey same, druid is cursed trinkets wise

[hearty reef]

!mistakes

[spice spire]

Solution: don’t play druid

[near valley]

why are you so based Quake?

[red schooner]

Got a 645 funhouse lens and a 679 pacemaker from vault this week at least

[brave comet]

i have way better parses

now

after taking your advice everyone

[viscid spear]

Damn Pacemaker

[red schooner]

My characters have pacemaker luck and nothing else.

It be how it be

[viscid spear]

At least Ash has HoC, but a terrible Eye

[spice spire]

Based on what

[golden loom]

based on DN

[spice spire]

Heard of hoc but what about hoC tuah?

[viscid spear]

Eyewitness accounts

[spice spire]

Dreadnought?

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-angry-cat-funny-cat-memes-gif-14595486679217135725

[near valley]

based on a true story

[golden loom]

soon I will be wearing dreadnought for real for real 🔥

[spice spire]

4 eels?

[ivory latch]

I have a question about the magnet trinket. I recently got a hero tier version but It's only an upgrade if I replace my champion eye of kezan. That would leave me with 2 on use trinkets. Would I still want to replace that eye of kezan till I can get a better or or a pacemaker?

[spice spire]

Quakewar doing his best to int keys this week fr

[coral ibex]

@golden loom 3 hours of drills in melee, sprocket vibes are at the bottom of the mariana trench

[golden loom]

I am sorry for your loss

[red schooner]

2 on use is fine, you use magnet during lingering so it shouldn't overlap with your deathmark trinket

I think

[golden loom]

drills in melee = warcrime

[coral ibex]

we only have 9 ranged

if one dies its chached

[ivory latch]

Ok that interaction was what was making me think it would be cool to use it. Thank you!

[red schooner]

SOMEONE SMARTER THAN ME CONFIRM THIS PLEASE

thanks

I am not a reliable source of information

[spiral basalt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

It’s fine.
You miss a bit of lingering with it

But it’s not like house or cards + priory where it’s just bad

[red schooner]

Ye we trust quake quake is reliable

[ivory latch]

Like 5 seconds?

It would be magnet + priory.

[coral ibex]

wym miss a bit of lingering with it

[earnest remnant]

reliably downbad yeah

[spice spire]

Do not trust me

[ivory latch]

From the on-use cool down right?

[coral ibex]

dont you just rip magnet at the end of lingering

[spice spire]

Brother if you keep hate watching I’m gonna kiss you

[coral ibex]

or whenever you have 30 stacks in lingering

[spice spire]

Ye

[ivory latch]

Oh I misunderstood and thought it was at the beginning

[red schooner]

I trust you more than I trust me

[ivory latch]

That makes it easier to time. I'm going to have to sit in front of a dummy. Thank you all!

[coral ibex]

the damage is simply based on stacks so the longer you wait to press the more damage it does

but if ur at 30 just send it

[ivory latch]

Ok cool, I appreciate that.

[spice spire]

That’s a misplay king

I’m going against a goat

Even if discombobulated

Can’t outdo a goat fr

[neat jacinth]

So when playing bleed build in m+ in keys 13+. Lets say you go into the first pull of floodgate or brewery. Do you go for ruptures on every mob or rather go for caustic after like 3/4 of the mobs ruptured?

[coral ibex]

you're playing bleed build, ruptures are a large source of your dam

bleed everything

esp during carnage

[sonic schooner]

as long as everything is not bleeded, shouldnt press another thing than garr / rupt during ic

can throw a ct for fun

and then

[crystal vault]

Is Bleed build better in Raid too?

[sonic schooner]

⛔

[spice spire]

The raid to m+ st different is like

Well over 25%

You’re not running bleed in raid

[cinder geode]

Is there expected class tuning today ? Some ppl in my guild said they usually come on fridays which I never noticed

[sonic schooner]

we re expecting class tuning everyday since 2004, sadly none of us work at blizzard and even if we did we probably couldnt be able to tell you

but .5 patchlater this patch, so we re expecting to see some first notes soonish

[pliant remnant]

My uncle, who may or may not work at Blizzard, said that today is a day of the week so there may or may not be class tuning

[spice spire]

Is your uncle John blizzard?

[fluid timber]

how much worse is elemental focusing lense to the recommended embellishments? (raid only)

[pliant remnant]

Close to imperceptibly worse

[fluid timber]

thanks, bcs i use it on sub and wanna try out sin for raid

[spice sentinel]

Shitty thing is embellishments suck, good thing is bc they all suck it doesnt matter what you play

[indigo epoch]

Real world what % overall dps gain you scoundrels seeing in m+ bleed over hybrid? Can't find good logs to compare.

[slate crown]

Why would the comparative increase in sims be less valid than real world for answering that question?"

[coral ibex]

i think you can argue that due to having fewer cooldowns to drift its maybe easier to access more of bleed's absolute damage ceiling

[indigo epoch]

Idk Sims are great but we aren't all robots, just wondering if worth it or not

[coral ibex]

this is a fine base assumption but why would you assume bleed is any harder to play than hybrid?

[indigo sphinx]

In the real world it should out perform the sims due to demise dam and less reliance on uptime/CD targets living long enough

But you're never going to get a real world % difference unless you made people play like robots

[indigo epoch]

Jesus christ I just asked what % improvement ppl are seeing if any

[coral ibex]

?

why are you freaking out

im asking you a question about your question

[slate crown]

We're all calm here

[coral ibex]

i'm pretty clam too ngl

[mild phoenix]

how about give it a shot and see for yourself haha

[slate crown]

Sure, I'm not saying trust the robot for the absolute number because of RL

I'm saying the relative difference

Reality will not be the same as sims

[coral ibex]

if bleed sims better and is basically as easy to play then the logical conclusion is you'll do more damage with bleed build right?

with the same inputs you get more output

[slate crown]

But you should expect that changes to a sim profile (gear, etc) would have a comparatively similar effect % change wise to real world if you make the same change

[coral ibex]

i would argue bleed build is easier to play than hybrid personally

[mild phoenix]

dont need to cast KB, keep bleeds up, big sudden demise, amen

[mossy sundial]

A lot, consistent 4m+ usually closer to 4.5-5m overall in 14+ as bleeds

[coral ibex]

not that either build is particularly hard to play

[indigo epoch]

Cheers, thanks

[coral ibex]

but most of bleed's damage comes from dot ticks instead of caustic which requires constant builder/finisher

so "downtime" is less downtime than other build downtime

[slate crown]

Also oh I'm sorry I totally misread your question, I thought you were asking about taking Scoundrel because you said scoundrel

[spice spire]

[shy axle]

how do you guys play the first boss in floodgate? i usually try to save vanish for the addspawns, gar/rup everything. Now i am unsure, do you use Dm on one of the adds to get it down extra fast or do you prefer to save it for the boss-phase?

[indigo epoch]

Sorry, not trying to be an asshole but it seems every time I ask a relatively simple straightforward question in this discord it turns into the Spanish inquisition.

[spice spire]

You definitely dm during the burn phase

[coral ibex]

i mean lets be real, you asked for what % difference we see comparing the 2 builds

[pliant remnant]

Might be 'cause it's a dumb question

[coral ibex]

how are we supposed to come up with a number for that