assassination

[warm vortex]

Stats/breakpoints/whatver
all pale in comparison to the simmy

[balmy condor]

Bro does NOT get it

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-laptop-open-jumpscare-surprise-gif-26191445

[nova shadow]

whispyr when update bis list in wowhead

[waxen oyster]

It's almost like stats are dynamic

[waxen oyster]

That's literally useless to do

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-gif-24264380

[nova shadow]

😄

[waxen oyster]

Oh wait since i got so bored

[worthy fable]

can someone tell me why my rogue only simming 2.2M? 😦

[waxen oyster]

Yeah ST sim in bleed build is 1.45m

with no buffs

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mario-me-when-i-get-you-mario-me-when-i-get-you-washing-machine-washing-machine-mario-gif-6548056538712528138

[waxen oyster]

worthless info alas

[vital flicker]

I like that people come in here and ask whispyr to sim things in his mind for them as if whispyr is a computer who also somehow knows your stats

[worthy fable]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1qkbigGyx2KiUyN2xzkPVR Can someone tell me why my character is simming like pizz

[warm vortex]

Also guys I miss feint so fucking much

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-neko-atsume-me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mrtheyes-gif-4157721420697656658

[warm vortex]

Like I’m sitting there in DFC on a 13 having to pop a def at like 85% hp

[coral ibex]

what are you on about blud

[warm vortex]

On 2nd boss aoe

[golden loom]

Something like this is good for both raid and m+ (for deathstalker and fatebound and trickster)

1. 9% Hit Rating (The PvE Ability Cap)
2. Agility
3. Strength/Attack Power (Since Strength gives Attack Power these 2 are equal)
4. Crit Chance

[waxen oyster]

mid gear

[warm vortex]

Because otherwise I’d just instantly fucking die

[coral ibex]

why do you think that is bad dps for your ilvl

[balmy condor]

What do I need to update

[royal lantern]

whisp real name is John WoWhead or John Raidbots afterall

[nova shadow]

cuz hes the founder of the bleed build and is prolly having premium sims

[warm vortex]

Like bro I should go back to rogue

[waxen oyster]

Also drop spatter

"founder"

[haughty flicker]

ive seen no evidence that whispyr is in fact not a computer that knows my stats at any point in time

[worthy fable]

ah ye true

[waxen oyster]

Idk why you think that sim is bad, if you want better sim get a 678 mh go orc etc

[balmy condor]

Thomas Edison in this bitch

[waxen oyster]

Get a better helmet

[coral ibex]

2.2m at 667 ilvl is fine

[golden loom]

I wanna fight more sprocket but we only had time for 5 pulls due to stix taking ages to rekill....

[coral ibex]

pretty normal

[coral ibex]

reclearing stix before sprocket kill is crazy work

[royal lantern]

"bleed build" existed for ages

its just that the buffs they made a couple weeks ago made it overall better

"go more on raw bleed dmg because spatter is a bit slow for lower content" was a build for ages, now its just better everywhere really

[waxen oyster]

I sim like 2.27m but yeah it's quite normal.

[balmy condor]

Been supporting bleed build in the guide since November of 2023 and everyone called me a dumbass for it

Who’s the dumbass now

Still me

But also you

[nova shadow]

I play rogue for 2 months man no ages

[vital flicker]

that is fake news, Whispyr is the sole creator

[spice spire]

How could you have supported it when it’s a new build

Checkmate pal

[balmy condor]

Where does China fit into this

[jade abyss]

I can remember bleed was for keys 10 and below D:

[golden loom]

Probably not the worst thing but it just took a bit too long

[jade abyss]

Back then

[nova shadow]

is pacemaker bis for bleed as it is for hybrid

[royal lantern]

im sorry for you man

[warm vortex]

Just sim it

Never ever follow Bis lists

[haughty flicker]

sim dn

[sonic schooner]

yea this is not whispyr bleed build, this is chinese build

how to get banned in 1 step

[warm vortex]

Say a slur or post nsfw

[royal lantern]

whisp is a chinese american with german parents??

[haughty flicker]

if its a chinese build why didnt i pay tariffs on it

checkmate

[golden loom]

It is chinese tho? Its the viral tiktok build

[sonic schooner]

do you know that funny enough, there is a speedrun category for getting banned from amouranth discord

[waxen oyster]

if i say bis list 5x fast i expect a mythic house of cards in my vault

[sonic schooner]

not gonna say more about it

[coral ibex]

whispyr is chinese just like heaven

[warm vortex]

If it’s Chinese why don’t {redacted}

[royal lantern]

the OG is speedruns of getting banned from the yandere dev discord

[jade abyss]

Lol

[nova shadow]

man I have traded this cinder neck infinite times and is now simming so fking good

[warm vortex]

People defend this guy

[haughty flicker]

this goes hard

[waxen oyster]

It's almost like stats fluctuate based on what you have

[nova shadow]

30k st 20k aoe

[waxen oyster]

Guy doesnt know how wow works

[royal lantern]

its neck

just craft one if you have a week with a dead vault lol

[waxen oyster]

I crafted neck then got richard reverbration neck in vault

game be like that sometime

[nova shadow]

is it just me or these crafted items are unsimable I got some red warning saying they cannot be simmed for w/e reason

[waxen oyster]

Idk bro you're putting alot more brain into this

to do tank dam

[buoyant herald]

I just crafted neck this week too, I give up on vault hopes

[coral ibex]

you need to remove an embellishment

the sim thinks you're trying to have more than 2

[nova shadow]

Ah I see ty

[coral ibex]

prob bc you're telling it to recraft + upgrade a slot you used to have an embellishment on

[waxen oyster]

Acquire agility

win

that's all

[royal lantern]

^

[balmy stream]

Become a vers/mastery stacker

[nova shadow]

So your saying min maxing my secondary stats are w/e and my st with bleed wont magically go from 1.45 to 1.7

[warm vortex]

Equip whatever sounds the xoolest

Just sim

Seriously

Just sim

That’s all you need to do

[coral ibex]

it is really unlikely that equipping a lower ilvl item with "correct" stats (whatever those are) will be better than a higher ilvl piece

unless they're like 658 vs 662 or something

[royal lantern]

98% of the time, loot is literally just

if higher ilvl = good

if 2 items with same ilvl = sim

[waxen oyster]

Are you at least 670 ilvl

[coral ibex]

then maybe its pretty close

generally tho you just want ilvl

[nova shadow]

665.7

[waxen oyster]

Ok good talk

get more ilvl

[coral ibex]

yea you just need more ilvl

[nova shadow]

I am full capped and upgraded on my items

[coral ibex]

you can worry about particular stats when you're close to max

[nova shadow]

Missed 2 weeks vaults cuz I was noob doing 3-4s

[waxen oyster]

Barely matters

go orc if you really care about sim dps

ig

[nova shadow]

night elf is really valuable no ?

[waxen oyster]

Not really

[golden loom]

Race does not matter

[nova shadow]

It is helping from time to time like run back shadowmeld into restealth

[golden loom]

Human bis

[keen spruce]

Void elf best cuz of hair tendie

[golden loom]

Or any elf

[royal lantern]

i got 99-100 when Vulpera Racial was literally a 0% thing, and people tell me racials make a difference in numbers

[balmy stream]

Human bis for 2% more stats!

[coral ibex]

im going velf for mugzee potentially but only bc i really do not want to be stuck in a gaol

[waxen oyster]

Screenshotting out of context

jk

[jade abyss]

Best is bald female kul tiran

[nova shadow]

idk I feel like if ur pugging and not going night elf u are trolling a lil bit

[coral ibex]

why

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[golden loom]

Doesnt look bad without context tho

[strange onyx]

Any log review enjoyers in chat?

[nova shadow]

when you do cinderbrew and the tanks wants to never reset the whole first room

[coral ibex]

belf has an aoe silence racial, surely thats useful in pugs too

[nova shadow]

nelf racial comes in handy

[golden loom]

Send it cuh

[royal lantern]

i know that this "i need stealth" thought is forming in your head rn

get it out, its not true

[haughty flicker]

it hasnt had that for a long time

[waxen oyster]

Good thing vanish exists

[coral ibex]

huh

what does it even do then

[spice surge]

Purge

[coral ibex]

im pressing it for fun??

[haughty flicker]

its just an aoe purge

[coral ibex]

ohh its a purge

[royal lantern]

that was removed almost 10years ago mate

[haughty flicker]

and 15 energy ig

[royal lantern]

lol

[golden loom]

Blood elf is bad void elf

[waxen oyster]

real

[coral ibex]

[haughty flicker]

horde has better transmogs otherwise i'd agree

[jade abyss]

Stop it !

[royal lantern]

and void elf is bad because its a elf

[golden loom]

Wrong

[coral ibex]

they had it in wotlk which is the last time i thought about belf racial

[pine cave]

what its sudden demise dmg

[golden loom]

Night elf does have the sickest looking heritage armor tho

[jade abyss]

I play draenei rogue

[royal lantern]

elf = night elf is included

night elf = druid

druid = boomkin

conclusion: all elves are boomkins

do you support boomkins??

[haughty flicker]

[golden loom]

Boomkins give me mark of the wild and bring stuff into demise range

Good class

[royal lantern]

hovering that block button rn

[final star]

read your talents

[haughty flicker]

the problem is

midnight is a boomkin expansion

for the same reasons you laid out

better start leveling your druid now

[nova shadow]

I like to play with mm and monk cuz they blast st

[wet ruin]

This probably doesn't happen very often but surely its not better to send an ambush there, I assume it happens because you don't have energy for envenom

[pine cave]

how did you make such a big ten damage from sudden demis . i max 500 mln dmg

[final star]

press buttons in execute

[golden loom]

I would also say undead is good but they dont have BIS animations in retail anymore

[jade abyss]

Lets talk about gnomes

[golden loom]

Lets not

[spice surge]

Could you link it

That seems really odd

[jade abyss]

:<

[waxen oyster]

people play gnomes outside of ansurek

Actually i think pvp andy warriors do

[nova shadow]

Thoughts on this from a rookery 13

I think I was playing horrific rly bad

[waxen oyster]

Because one streamer said root break>other racials

and everyone follows like sheep

[golden loom]

Gnome only fits warlock/mage imo

[wet ruin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/poRdp92a5xKQihsFr6ZytN

[keen spruce]

Ankle biters fun for the sound effects. Female gnome screeching bis

[wet ruin]

also i am assuming that the deathstalker's mark buff in the sims is just a bug and it doens't have +50% damage on every mutilate

[jade abyss]

Does stack panda racial with rogue slow fall?

[keen spruce]

No one knows cuz no one plays panda

[jade abyss]

I want

[keen spruce]

Never been tested in the history of league of legends

[jade abyss]

Bcs i like food

[haughty flicker]

I played panda in remix

Because if you didn’t you’re a loser

[jade abyss]

Gigachad

[balmy stream]

I hate it when the rogue keeps whispering in my ear to let him restealth while I'm chain pulling

I kept pulling to spite him

[jade abyss]

Dont be a loser buy a defuser

[keen spruce]

That’s when you start pulling in critters and single mobs at the end of the pull to keep combat rolling

[magic fossil]

2 vanish and 1 meld

[vivid mulch]

Thats when you just go afk B)

[nova shadow]

s

[magic fossil]

gl trying to fuck me up

[balmy stream]

I thought double vanish wasn't the go?

[vivid mulch]

WHy wouldn't it be

[magic fossil]

ofc it is

[balmy stream]

I dunno

The guides don't have it there

Hah, made them look!

[worthy fable]

Um, are you not meant to send thistle tea with your shiv kingsbane deathmark (also what are thoughts on sending twice during lust openers)

?

[gaunt quiver]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[alpine latch]

Took a break from WoW for like a good year. Rogue seems to be looking decent for raid/keys

[waxen oyster]

It's not dk

but its not bad

[alpine latch]

Thinking about coming back on my rogue instead of the warrior

[worthy fable]

is rule of thumb to always send tea with shiv

?

[alpine latch]

I'm just wanting to have some fun, I'm not a CE raider or pushing 20s or anything

[halcyon grail]

It sure used to. I used to air drop onto people from ludicrous heights on PvP realms when they were a thing and commit murder.

It has also saved my life more times than I can admit when people used those "dismount" items on me mid air in PvP. But I'm Zandalari now with the free glider.

[jade abyss]

Thank you

[balmy stream]

Zandalari have afree glider?

This is op

[halcyon grail]

I think subs old "calike reflexes" also stacked, but I don't think we have that passive anymore.

[alpine latch]

What's the best way to gear up right now? Just farm some heroics/m0 and then get into +2s?

My rogue is basically a fresh level 80 from the beginning of the xpac

[halcyon grail]

entirely subjective to how social you feel like being versus solo content.

[wind flume]

What does this do exactly, will this button cast tea after shiv?

[gaunt quiver]

Tea is 13% Mastery. It's always good to use it with cooldowns.

[balmy stream]

0s are pretty good

[granite leaf]

How many CP should you be using to maintain CT on ST?

[balmy stream]

Very- oh not this guy

[alpine latch]

I'm perfectly fine being social, but also my guy is like ilevel 600 so it really comes down to what I can get into, you know?

[spice surge]

Same as other finishers

[balmy stream]

<3

[spice spire]

5+ no new rules

[granite leaf]

Ty gang

[plush isle]

fucking love the bleed build

[spice spire]

Call me the bleed build

[vivid mulch]

[humble ginkgo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy stream]

Isn't all rogue about bleeding em dry?

[west crown]

spatter looks bad

[spice surge]

Seems fine

[wind flume]

what am i missing here, im using this macro and it never casts tea, macro will use both shiv charges and tea will be 3/3 charges

[spice surge]

You cant use two shivs at the same time

[normal mist]

I guess he means tea isnt going off

[wind flume]

thats what i mean, tea never gets used

[normal mist]

even if spamming

[spice surge]

Do you have it on your bar (including the stealth bar)?

[wind flume]

tea is never used using that macro

shiv is used tea isnt, what am i missing

[haughty flicker]

do you happen to have any of the old thistle tea item in a bank somewhere

[wind flume]

i do

[haughty flicker]

i remember seeing someone have that issue with the macro before

[spice surge]

Oh ye right

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats it

delete that shit

[wind flume]

MUH NOSTALGIA

[exotic hearth]

For bleed build in M+, do we use CT on bosses or is it 2+ tar

[haughty flicker]

ct in st with bleed yes

[exotic hearth]

Thanks

[vital flicker]

so Mana oil sims slightly higher for me, but I am cheap af and whetstones are like half the price. should I just pretend I didn't see the sim?

[balmy stream]

How much do you value a minimal buff to your throughput?

[wind flume]

That worked, I did have to log out and log back in for it to take

[outer plinth]

can someone please check my sims and tell me if i did something wrong? i dont understand why its showing me the finger from motherlode is better than my current one https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rf51a2TrVbRjN61mE7riBS

[haughty flicker]

yeah i have no idea why it happens lmao

i just remember seeing whispyr help someone with that issue before

[sullen mural]

Is this simbait or why is it higher than flood trink

[wind flume]

I havent played rogue since Shadowlands, seems like murlok.io and icy veins are not on the bleed build hype train yet. in M+ 8-12 keys is bleed build outperforming any assass build?

[balmy stream]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3kDRMy9La7TCbigiRePnoZ

Why is it so low?!

[analog field]

in general bleed seems to be the best one in general but not used yet in ultra high keys, in keys like 8-10 there is another cheesy bleed without tea.

[wind flume]

is that the one in the pins?

[dawn seal]

I am so confused

can someone enlighten me sorry

is not using tea on cds very big difference

I realised I forgot my macro binded and just shiving without tea

[spice surge]

Its very recent, so it hasnt had time to catch on

[dawn seal]

also can I not use any fok on cauldron and does that make a big difference

with vv

[vital flicker]

murlok.io isn't on any build ever, it jsut shows you want the top 50 players are running, that is like judging a mirror because you picked a bad outfit

[spice surge]

Like until 2 weeks ago it wasnt really a thing because it was simming horrible, since the sim wasnt playing well without kingsbane

[wind flume]

well i use murlok to look at the top rogues in keys and im saying i dont see the bleed build among them.

[spice surge]

But now that weve made the sim not get a stroke when you untalent kingsbane (which was unthinkable until recently) its very good

[wind flume]

thats why i was asking

[balmy condor]

good bait I almost didn't see the ilvl

[spice surge]

Also murlok io shows whatever they logged out in

[haughty flicker]

now make the sim play well without deathmark

[spice surge]

So its very often showing raid talents

Since well, people log out after raid

[vital flicker]

I think the best part is that he's running the FI build

[spice surge]

Dogshit website really

[balmy condor]

insane work

[haughty flicker]

what a gamer

[balmy condor]

oh and follow the blood on hybrid

actually crazy work

bro is just stringin it together

[spice surge]

Devious work

[halcyon grail]

always tipping guildies 420g 69s for crafting orders.

https://tenor.com/view/noice-brooklyn-ninenine-b99-smile-gif-11928987

[silver sail]

In bleed build m+ if there are 4 targets (eg) and I have an ambush from blindside, do I ignore it and keep casting fan of knife?

[spice surge]

Well the vendor takes a cut

So it doesnt show up as 420 69 for them

[halcyon grail]

mmm maths though.

[balmy condor]

well you don't "ignore it", because you'll use it to refresh your caustic spatter

but yes you ignore it when it procs

[silver sail]

Cool, so this ambush proc also refresh caustic?

[balmy condor]

ambush applies caustic yes

[wind flume]

is this the same build in post thats pinned? or is the hybrid in another location?

[halcyon grail]

yesm boss. I think it will also refresh DN if its down too?

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

no

I mean yes, if you're in stealth

but a regular run of the mill blindside, no

[dawn seal]

[halcyon grail]

awdangit.

I might just be dumb and it was in subterfuge

[balmy condor]

most likely

[magic thorn]

Whispyr in your new video you said that we pool for 50% energy in ST again, do we drop envenom completly then ?

[halcyon grail]

blowing stuff up for homies in low keys does awful things to the brain. like tab targetting ambushes/blindsides for no reason at all.

[spice surge]

No, you still envenom when you have darkest night or dont need to refresh bleeds

[magic thorn]

Meh i want to get back to doing nothing and scratching my balls

[spice surge]

Also its only for that bleed build on ST, not other builds

[balmy condor]

I do this too, but instead of blowing stuff up I'm blowing prostates up, and the homies is just @spice spire and low keys is my bed and I am indeed doing awful things to his brain and the entire second sentence isn't relevant

[sullen mural]

[balmy condor]

jealousy is a disease, get well soon

[halcyon grail]

doing the peoples work.

[balmy condor]

roto rooter for men

[halcyon grail]

I wish i had a prostate, I wish i had homies.. I wish..

https://tenor.com/view/beer-pour-40-oz-dead-gif-15861879889501337298

[spice spire]

Dog are we good or

[balmy condor]

I still feel the tension of you bungling the sim this morning

[haughty flicker]

can he bungle me next

[spice spire]

Buddy you’re about to feel the tension of my balls on your chin

[maiden sierra]

a combination of some of my guilds mythic sprocketmonger wipes. im starting to think this lizard class might be kinda good (or my class is ass )

[balmy condor]

oh no mr quake I don't have the money to pay the tariff for all of this meat! maybe I can pay you in other ways?

[sullen mural]

Both

[spice spire]

I need Comcast to fix your internet king

[haughty flicker]

the lizard cant transmog

so you're the real winner here

[maiden sierra]

real

but there is a bug to be perma in human form

[haughty flicker]

is there actually

[maiden sierra]

so they are winning

[haughty flicker]

i thought they just used toys all the time

[maiden sierra]

let me see if i find it

[fleet pagoda]

i thought they made it so you stay in human form outside of breathe attacks if you want?

[maiden sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNZYT3J-Bvg

[haughty flicker]

nope

evokers are supposed to always be dwagon in combat

but i like this bug let me see this

[fleet pagoda]

i'm having some crazy dreams then

[haughty flicker]

non evoker dwagons can be visage form in combat

[fleet pagoda]

oooh okay

[maiden sierra]

love the fact that a 9 is equal almost to your 100

[haughty flicker]

i'll have to try this later

[tall atlas]

Dwagon

[nova oxide]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fast phoenix]

not sure lizards needed a dps buff tbh, they should just rework the design... such a brain dead rotation

3 spells and go to sleep

[maiden sierra]

eh its a bit more complicated then it was in dragonflight

its no longer 3 buttons, maybe 5 id say

[fast phoenix]

slightly more, still pretty mundane

[balmy condor]

and yet people bitch about assa

explain that to me

[fast phoenix]

least sin you have to use your noodle

[haughty flicker]

do you though

i think dev probably has more nuance than sin in st atm

[maiden sierra]

Yeah

[haughty flicker]

flameshaper definitely does, scalecommander a bit less than fs

sin is legit on bm levels right now in st

[polar rampart]

i hate their red circle

[fast phoenix]

yeah only flameshaper

[haughty flicker]

i like hearing the guilds lizard complain when pug tanks move out of firestorm

[polar rampart]

it obscures other red circles to me :x

[fast phoenix]

idk i play both and i think sin requires more thought process

[maiden sierra]

How

[fast phoenix]

more if this than that scenarios

[balmy condor]

if combo points, envenom

[haughty flicker]

[maiden sierra]

Sin rogue rotation is so brain dead at the moment in st that you could code a fully functional bot that will play the game perfectly

[balmy condor]

we have that already it's called hekili

[maiden sierra]

[balmy condor]

I guess that maybe give hekili too much credit

was supposed to be a joke about how shit robots are

[polar rampart]

apply stuff, pop cds, sleep

[balmy condor]

ye

[lean plover]

Go execute range, get no blindside procs, cry until cds

[balmy condor]

it's like sub but red and green instead of purple

[maiden sierra]

Me 10 sec before kimgsbane comes off cd taking my hands off my keyboard to scratch my nuts

[fleet pagoda]

christmas rogue

[balmy condor]

true

cause every day playing this spec feels like christmas

[frank trench]

lol i feel like my 1900 haste is too low

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

maybe is, maybe isn't

[lean plover]

Check the pings, assa now just stacks vers and haste

[maiden sierra]

[polar rampart]

outlaw

[balmy condor]

that would be a funny pin

[frank trench]

lol that woul d be awful

[spice surge]

Still too many green frfr

[worldly sail]

im a mastery stacker 4 lyfe

[spice surge]

Need more red

[lean plover]

as if anyone would read it

[balmy condor]

true

[polar rampart]

tho the sims are telling me i do want a bit more haste in bleed build than typically, is that normal?

[maiden sierra]

Yes

[polar rampart]

is there a breakpoint?

[maiden sierra]

Pins

[lean plover]

yes

its in pins too

aaaaaaa

[maiden sierra]

Life imitates art

[balmy condor]

as if anyone would read it

[polar rampart]

where are the pins?

kek

[lean plover]

i got whispyred, ill be damned

whispyrdemised? that sounds better

[maiden sierra]

I do not believe you that you dont know where the pins are located

[polar rampart]

jeeze, did you look up my personal info too?

[haughty flicker]

yes jeremy

i did

[maiden sierra]

Yes, mohamed.

[maiden sierra]

(I took the safest name option)

[polar rampart]

lol

[west smelt]

200.91.227.111

[fleet pagoda]

is shadowknife actually in the loot pool this season? I've been delvin like a lad and ain't seen it once

[balmy condor]

Did you just make fun of the prophet Mohammed? You’re going away for a long time

[balmy condor]

No

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/yamete-mad-cat-gif-15840162

[thorn thorn]

Have you heard of the Prophet deez

[proud pelican]

Deez ligmas?

[brittle cloud]

Bleed build question: during IC, using garrote as a builder is fine only as long as there are targets to spread garrotes to, or for as long as IC lasts? I assume the former, ya?

[compact peak]

Anyone using bleed build on 13s 14s? How is that comparing to the standard mythic build in higher keys?

[lean plover]

im doings 15s with it, insane prio, very fun, good aoe

[buoyant schooner]

with the bleed build do I use vanish last during deathmark?

[lean plover]

start bosses with deathmark ready or enjoy s1 dmg

[halcyon grail]

Truthfully? I just keep with the usual priority of Crit >/= Mastery >/= haste, I don't know of any attainable breakpoints really. I don't think it will ever be as nuts as stacking corruption in Nyalotha ever again.

[dawn heath]

guys

i got removed from the raid before i could loot it, what happends?

its been half an hour

i still havent gotten it

[haughty flicker]

its supposed to be mailed to you if you win it

[magic thorn]

Can someone help me with sims that has a better understanding of what im doing wrong ?
Why does Image 1 need more Combinations then Image 2

[haughty flicker]

but it feels like it doesnt always work

[dawn heath]

whats the timeframe?

[haughty flicker]

no idea

for me normally if it works i get it pretty much immediately

[proud pelican]

Between now and midnight

(The xpac)

[wind totem]

My guess is that it's replacing less of the gems you have in one of the combinations since you already have them gemmed.

[night lantern]

i feel silly for asking this but... is it important for us to manually apply slice and dice? i see the opener on wowhead saying to do that and im just confused since other abilities refresh it, right?

or am i just misinterpreting what its saying. like "apply your bleed and make it hurt so you get slice and dice going" bah i think im thinking too hard haha

[spice surge]

Envenom gives you slice and dice

[bright moth]

Is bleed builds boss damage poopoo or is our m+ boss damage just awful in all builds

[waxen oyster]

You still do like 1.5m on bosses

but yeah its not great

[spice surge]

The same/slightly higher than other builds

[wise plover]

yo eleem what did your dmg breakdown look at the end of a like 14/15 with a bleed build

[spice surge]

Unless you have adds to bleed onto the boss its gonna be quite low

[wise plover]

i think i may be envonmining too much somehow

[thorn thorn]

[hollow wren]

Ya'll going more for TTb instead of blindside?
Blindside seems more st and TTb more aoe, right?

[spice surge]

Blindside too stronk now after ambush buffs

[hollow wren]

My dps didnt really explode much with bleed build :c

[tall atlas]

Okay so

This bleed build is stupid

[buoyant herald]

I don’t know what you should expect from a “buff” but I think a dps explosion might be a bit ambitious

[tall atlas]

I did 4.8 overall in a 13 psf and tbh I coulda spread bleeds a bit more actively

I was just spamming on main target mostly

[buoyant herald]

That’s kinda how it works 🙃

[gray raven]

They are smart

[haughty flicker]

[tall atlas]

Yeah I k but if you change target you spread faster

[buoyant herald]

Only a wee bit

[gray raven]

Not worth the effort imo

[tall atlas]

Cos 3 new go out instead of refreshing 1 and 2 new

Meh depends

[buoyant herald]

I’m pretty sure there’s some commentary on that exact thing in the wowhead guide

[tall atlas]

Y did a rapid spread of rup on the wee small adds before second boss in rookery and burst like 12m

[buoyant herald]

Man I’m so jealous of you guys

[tall atlas]

I don’t really do it often just the high health mobs but sometimes it’s fun

[buoyant herald]

Who get to do keys without other dps who hold CDs to blow up anything small

[tall atlas]

But I do have a question. If I have my cds come up boss is like 50%

Is it worth holding

[hollow wren]

Tbh, 4,5m on dummies in dornogal

[haughty flicker]

those dummies are in perma execute range

kinda useless

[buoyant herald]

Idk sometimes it feels like someone finds some new dps tech or an optimisation and is like “yes, we do this now, it’s good” and people thing they’re gonna do 20% more dps instantly

[tall atlas]

I know that’s a really dynamic question but I’m sure you can add your own context to it

[buoyant herald]

Most of this stuff is like single digit % on a good day

[hollow wren]

I wanna go above 5m dps on packs, thats all ;-;

[buoyant herald]

Usually if you want a hard and fast rule, you’re better using cds on cd even if suboptimal use, rather than missing uses when trying to hold for the perfect moment

[tall atlas]

Okay

But if I wait like 30 seconds or a 45 sec I get execute boom boom

[buoyant herald]

At least it’s better to practice that way while you get a feel for when to hold

[tall atlas]

Idk dude what’s you ilvl

[hollow wren]

651.9

[buoyant herald]

I mean if you’re gonna invent the examples where the answer is probably hold, then sure lol

[tall atlas]

Send a char screenshot

[buoyant herald]

But will boss live your full cds duration?

[tall atlas]

Yeah in that specific example
I’m meaning Ty spark

[buoyant herald]

Like you say it’s kinda subjective

[tall atlas]

Yeah

[buoyant herald]

But best to err on the side of “send it” if you’re unsure

[tall atlas]

Enchant your weapon and chest, do the back and bracers if you have gold. Spam floodgate for the trinket

You’re missing a 0.5% crit dam and agi gem it’s not Huge but it’s better

And if you’re using bleed maybe try and find a little haste somewhere idk sim yourself

You should be doing semi okay dam for your ilvl if you’re coming close to 5m I think

are you us or eu

[hollow wren]

US

Gonna work on enchants and such soon

Bleed seems a bit better now, idk, maybe I was just slacking off when dpsing

I know its not gonna magically make my dps go high, I actually need higher keys for that aswell

[tall atlas]

You have the -12% haste buff cos American are FAT AF

[hollow wren]

From Brazil bro, kekw

I usually dont say it cuz people go full yknow

[tall atlas]

That ass fat af then

[haughty flicker]

[tall atlas]

Go full like that

[hollow wren]

Yeah, lmao

[tall atlas]

😂😂

Idk tho I went from being happy with like 2.9m hoping to break 3m and today I was doing like 4.5+ every key

[hollow wren]

I want to overall 4m+

[fleet pagoda]

is MA+SS better for dearest richard considering the intermission? like does it shift some favorability into CD windows?

[vapid fable]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[quaint spindle]

how much haste should we have as assa

[velvet ridge]

when do yall feel like atrophic or numbing is better for M+, do you swap for different dungeons, mid way?

[lean hedge]

guys i sim Siphoning Stiletto as an higher upgrade, is it worth crafting it ? or is it a scam. can the random enermy it target be someone im not in combat with? ty

[quaint spindle]

ew no

[lean hedge]

no Siphoning Stiletto?

[spice surge]

Droptimizer thinks its not an embellishment

So its telling you that 3 embellishments would be better than 2

[lean hedge]

hm so i should use everforge instead? so i will end up with everforge on main hand and off hand,

[spice surge]

Would recommend using topgear

You should almost certainly not be crafting 2 weapons

Craft mainhand and something else

[wicked mica]

what does the single target rotation look like in bleed build mythic +?

[balmy condor]

The same

[slim copper]

its a sad day bois

[high walrus]

do I need an entire network of friends to be able to run a 13

apply count: 146 accept count: 0

[balmy condor]

Welcome to pugging yeh

[gritty laurel]

why would you subject yourself to pugging anything higher than 10

[velvet ridge]

you CT on st in bleed build though yea?

[balmy condor]

Unless you’re 670 and CE or 3k io, good luck

[velvet ridge]

but not in non bleed build

[balmy condor]

Yes

[high walrus]

having to choose socket in vault twice and not mythic raiding = never get to paly

[balmy condor]

Yeah pretty much how m+ works

You either have more ip than the other 40 dps applying

Or you have some else that makes you seem good

[snow hamlet]

Why do some people in game keep saying that bleed build has no st damage and prio damage?

[haughty flicker]

because they still think kingsbane is good

[snow hamlet]

sometimes I join a team, mate ask me: rogue, why don't you choose kb in your talent?

[balmy condor]

“Because I know more than you”

[warped sinew]

am i trolling chat?

[hollow river]

[balmy stream]

I do not play rogue so I will say yes

[warped sinew]

this is on cauldron so there is a lot of movement and bs ont he floor >.<

[balmy condor]

Idk what those numbers mean

But I’m sure you’re doing great hun

[stone eagle]

should we use shiv on st on m+ now?

or only on aoe

[balmy stream]

I think it was how much damage was done with the cumulation of those button presses

[balmy condor]

Both

Shiv is your main cooldown right after deathmark

Important button to hit

[stone eagle]

Hmmm

I see, ty

[balmy condor]

Arguably more important than deathmark with a bleed build tbh

[stone eagle]

Should I use it with deathmark or is w/e

[balmy condor]

Yes ofc

[haughty flicker]

yeah ive played bleed build without deathmark

[warped sinew]

just just the order of the spells after deathmark was pushed

[haughty flicker]

but i wouldnt play it without shiv

[stone eagle]

i mean, should i try saving 2 stacks for using with deathsmark

[balmy condor]

Yes

[stone eagle]

i see

ty

[balmy condor]

Same as every other build

[balmy stream]

But the numbers on the right!

[balmy condor]

It’s just the ones outside of deathmark that changed

Cause you can slam those

No kingsbane to attach onto

[stone eagle]

yeaa

i was doing like this but wasn`t sure tbh

ty

[low thicket]

Does signet look at highest number secondary stat or highest %?

[spice surge]

Stat

[neat flame]

new whispyr video? makes up for my dog ass vault

[low thicket]

Hmm I think I need to recraft some gear and change gems/chants. My crit is very close to beating mastery even without chaos proccing. I assume using mastery flask is not ideal because tempered potions?

[spice surge]

Sim

[silent drift]

Coming back from S1 Sin, and something feels off with energy in ST

[buoyant herald]

how so

[hollow river]

It was the same in s1

[silent drift]

idk, might be in my head. Felt like i was able to holy hold envenom but struggling now

but if nothing has changed, i guess i just have teo get back into the groove

[low thicket]

I forgor that I can force the windsinger gem to be the stat I want

[tacit hedge]

Is there someone able to do log review? Another rouge is beating in dps and im kind of spiteful of how lol

[half tartan]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy stream]

!rogue

I hate this guy

[half tartan]

!lingering darkness

[dreamy rover]

WHART IF

i macro trinket to kingsbane instead of DM so its still active on KB's last tick

valid??

[warped sinew]

i love the amount of "rouge" when you search it in chat XD

[dreamy rover]

cant think of 1 reason it wouldnt be

[hidden bay]

Post log

There’s always someone who takes a look, don’t worry

[tacit hedge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6hHWD9NFJnPj7Z1d?fight=last&type=damage-done

[half tartan]

Does anyone have a weakaura for Darkest night envenom

[tacit hedge]

Thank you

[half tartan]

lingering darkness

[hidden bay]

Just in general looking what you are doing?

Or what exactly

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

Can pull them out of those packs

Le’s collection might have a standalone

Loggers

[half tartan]

tyty

[karmic dawn]

(whispyr's is the best)

[balmy stream]

Lawful Evil rogues?!

[balmy condor]

(I updated for fok/bleed stuff if you haven’t grabbed a new one)

[half tartan]

bitchin

i have your old edit

[slim copper]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[tacit hedge]

Just in general, I notice I'm doing lower dps despite being higher ilv to my rouge counterpart

[slim copper]

does order matter for DM macro?

[dreamy rover]

no

[karmic dawn]

I check for updates every day so I got it! ❤️

[fervent willow]

is sudden demise suppose to be this low?

[warped sinew]

why is the top rogue poping shiv after kingsbane and not before?

[slim copper]

can someone share their dm macro with me? i dont know how to use pots in macro

[strange sleet]

/use Tempered Potion

[slim copper]

ahhh ok

[fervent willow]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Deathmark

[slim copper]

thanks Wys and Biro ❤️

[half tartan]

do you house of cards for on deathmark? ord does the house of cards miss the kingsbane

[warped sinew]

does anyone know why this person would pop shiv after kings bane and not before?

[thorn thorn]

Oh bleed build truthers are out in droves now

[strange sleet]

because it really does not matter

@warped sinew

[hidden bay]

[coral ibex]

WWG1WGA

[thorn thorn]

What does this even mean

[warped sinew]

30% damage increase doesn't matter?

[thorn thorn]

What could it mean?

[haughty flicker]

the first hit of kingsbane is not very large

not using shiv first is a misplay

but its not going to brick your parse

just crit more or something

[hidden bay]

Just crit Bro

[dreamy rover]

is it possible to create a macro to change specs??

[warped sinew]

well I'm trying to improv e my own damage, so I'm looking for things Ic an improve. So that's why I'm asking. The person i showed is number one on this boss for ass rogues

[severe sparrow]

i have a question im high key embarassed to ask, in my dm/pot macro does it matter if i pot before or after the dm lol

[haughty flicker]

yeah its just a misplay

[dreamy rover]

nope, doesnt matter

[hidden bay]

He got PI, skip the log

[haughty flicker]

dm>shiv>kb is the correct order

[hidden bay]

[haughty flicker]

also yeah pi doesnt help

[severe sparrow]

ok whew

i was just looking at that and i was like OH NO

HAVE I BEEN POTTING WRONG FOR YEARS

[thorn thorn]

Thinking is a dps loss

[haughty flicker]

yes

i agree

thinking is wasting time

stop thinking

and fight like a viltrumite mark

wait

[thorn thorn]

Dont think just do dam

Its that shrimple

[balmy stream]

Viltrumite mark thinka

Too much

[unreal parcel]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fresh heron]

Hey there, im playing the bleed build, and I just can't seem to, do any decent single target damage. I'm always around 1.1 or .2 and I should be doing more. I feel like I am missing something major fundamentally. AOE i am doing absolutely fine, but single target I absolutely fall off completely, and it feels awful.

[warped sinew]

bro i thought tea was just energy.... so i was letting it auto cast. I missed the mastery proc

[drifting cloud]

the energy is 90% of the reason its taken

[balmy stream]

The mastery is a neat lil bonus tho

[thorn thorn]

You also just macro tea to shiv and forget it exists

[hallow glade]

Is there a good way to tell if youre in range of both cages on mug'zee for caustic spatter?

[warped sinew]

so there is no reason to pop at start since I'm almost full energy? because almost right out the bat we're going into deathmark KB rotation?

[thorn thorn]

Just macro it to shiv

[warped sinew]

I did

We do that for m+ too or jsut raiding?

[thorn thorn]

Just in general

[warped sinew]

ok

[balmy condor]

Praying to whatever deity you believe in

[dreamy rover]

deity is a word for smart people

[woven ruin]

Taking a point out of lethal dose to get IW is too big a loss, correct?

[balmy condor]

Yes, where the hell are people getting this idea from

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[balmy condor]

Not only is Lethal dose one of the strongest talents on the tree, it’s also required for shrouded suffocation

[haughty flicker]

which streamer did it

[balmy condor]

Who the fuck keeps putting this into people’s heads

[woven ruin]

Sorry boss lol

[drifting cloud]

me

[balmy condor]

It’s not your fault, it’s whoever the dumbfuck is that’s been spreading it

[drifting cloud]

me

[balmy condor]

I know damn well you’re smarter than that

[dreamy rover]

its only 2% though

[drifting cloud]

I dont even know what lethal dose does

[dreamy rover]

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

[surreal aurora]

Can someone help me figuring out what I’m doing wrong as assasination?

Checking logs and wowanalyzer: up time close to 100 % every fight, no bad casts really, good usage of combo points and cooldowns.

Yet comparing to the highest DPS in around same item level ad me his windows are like 3 mil dps more than me.

What am I missing

Draenor- mcjorgenton

[woven ruin]

Fwiw, you still get SS with only 1 pts in lethal dose

[dreamy rover]

mcjorgenton is a great name

[surreal aurora]

Thank you! 🤩

[balmy condor]

Can you link the log

[hidden bay]

Link the log in here #1359715314790826154 message

[balmy condor]

Yeah but like somewhere a synapse should fire that it’s probably a good talent idk

Some dumbfuck streamer said drop a lethal dose point

And now we’re here

[surreal aurora]

Sure thing! Putting in the loggers

[hidden bay]

Sounds like zerocool hahahaa

[balmy condor]

It’s only 2%

[dreamy rover]

[balmy condor]

Number low

How could it be good

[warped sinew]

isn't [Shrouded Suffocation] only taken for dungeons?

[balmy condor]

Yes, that’s what we’re talking about

[warped sinew]

ah ok mb

[drifting cloud]

enchanting your gear wouldnt hurt to start

[tepid hearth]

"Use Mutilate/Ambush 3 targets, and shiv for AoE with arterial precision. "

Does this mean Fan of Knives for CP only with 4+ targets?

[balmy condor]

I’d hope to god we aren’t grabbing iron wire in raids

[balmy condor]

Yes

3 is fine too with follow the blood technically

It’s a weird middle ground

[sinful bramble]

about where do we want to sit for haste this season? im seeing like 7-9k, does that sound right or am i off?

[balmy condor]

Sure

Whatever your sims says is correct, is correct

[surreal aurora]

Fair

[warped sinew]

wait really? XD I'm throwing

I've been beating the shit out of fan on 2-3 targets

[neat flame]

Dumb question, if I upgrade a hero item to 6/6 does a mythic item in that slot not require gilded for the first upgrade to equal ilvl?

[karmic dawn]

Maybe a newbie question or something I'm thinking about too deeply, but I'm constantly worried about pooling correctly. Not sure it it's my own anxiety but how much do people think about pooling? I'm constantly trying to maximize envenom clipping 100% but sometimes just going full monkey and spamming Mutilate into finishers does better. Is it just about feeling it out and adjusting or is the logic from February basically the rule? Or should I just ask for a log review to look into it?

[balmy condor]

Yes, so you’d essentially just be burning gildeds for no reason

That’s why no one goes past 4/6

Better off setting the crests on fire

[balmy condor]

No

[warped sinew]

Wait so with CtW up fans do more /same as mutilate and generate the same amount of combo poitns, so why wouldn't i use it? it says to only do it with 2 or more ot is not talented into VV

[balmy condor]

Pooling is basically a non-optimization

[balmy condor]

Well it’s not the same cp and not the same damage :P

[balmy stream]

Unless you only plan in staying in heroic gear

Forever

[haughty flicker]

yeah myth track is overrated anyway

[karmic dawn]

Thanks.

[slim copper]

whats the addon for character view that i see some of you post

[warped sinew]

mutilate gives 2 combo points and with CtW up fans also give 2 cb and fans is half the energy as multilate?

[balmy condor]

Mutilate hits twice

So you get more cp from seal fate

[warped sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-22265960

ok i see ty

[balmy condor]

But also the damage is just not even close tbh

Vicious venoms is buffed by mastery if you didn’t know

[warped sinew]

oh the VV doesn't update the tooltip of the mutilate spell?

XD I thought it did

[balmy condor]

It’s not a buff to the spell

It’s bonus damage

[warped sinew]

well damn

[balmy condor]

And the bonus damage is roughly 125% of the original damage

So ambush is 200% ap baseline, making the vicious venoms damage roughly 250%

[tacit hedge]

So is it better to mutilate with 2 targets instead of using Fok?

[balmy condor]

Clear the witnesses is 100% on top of whatever measly damage fok does

[balmy condor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[warped sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/nodders-gif-26414892

ok ok ty

[tacit hedge]

Nice, thanks a lot

[slim copper]

guys... 😦 I need help

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WVjpTqMyfJgmXNka?fight=26&type=damage-done&source=16

bleed uptime is above 95%

but still kinda meh

is it really because im getting yanked off mugzee for jails?

[balmy condor]

Just stay out

[slim copper]

he threatened to sit me 😂

cant parse if no fight

[balmy condor]

Threaten him to eat your ass

[balmy stream]

Jokingly threatened right?

Right??

[balmy condor]

Bench the 3 hunters instead

They’re getting beat by a class that can’t target swap

Has your dumbfuck raid lead thought of that?

[drifting cloud]

are you bowling right now whispyr

[balmy stream]

What about those locks?

[mystic osprey]

😭

[balmy stream]

I dare say I wouldn't bench anyone above 50

[mystic osprey]

fuckinn oath

[balmy condor]

Yes and I just missed my first spare of the night I’m pissed

[gray horizon]

RIP

[drifting cloud]

predictable

[balmy condor]

I mean it took 28 frames

Good run

[mystic osprey]

idk man ive heard bm is a really hard class to play

[balmy condor]

The fact that an assassination rogue is 4th on add damage is heinous to begin with

[mystic osprey]

wait hold up

[balmy condor]

Raid lead needs a long look in the mirror to think about his priorities

[thorn thorn]

I said it before and I will continue to say it until its no longer true

Name a more iconic duo than raid leads and being dumb

[balmy condor]

Amen

[haughty flicker]

whispyr and missing spares

[balmy condor]

YOU GET IN THAT JAIL AND DO NO DPS SOLDIER

[coral ibex]

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

[mystic osprey]

no the entire raid is just brain dead

its not the raid leaders fault

get it right!

[slim copper]

other than that, lol, is there anything i could have done better?

[thorn thorn]

Tell your RL to not be a moron with spec roll assignment

[mystic osprey]

which rogue are you

[slim copper]

Cohete

[thorn thorn]

Sometimes this is true

Sometimes it is both

[mystic osprey]

my raid leader put both our sin rogues in the same goon cage

and said bad luck!

[balmy condor]

Idk I saw you go into a cage and immediately closed the log lmao

[mystic osprey]

when I told him we had the wort target swap in the game

[slim copper]

hey same lol

[balmy condor]

Can’t parse like that on heroic

[buoyant herald]

i had the same on stix and rik

[mystic osprey]

crazy thing

though

[buoyant herald]

"you need to look at your add damage"

[mystic osprey]

im top damage on that fight

when im in the goon cages

😭

[balmy condor]

Kms btw

1 open frame

I could’ve just like

Not missed

Pissed

[slim copper]

get gud

[mystic osprey]

@slim copper did you get put in the goonn cage during your second or third deathmark as well?

[slim copper]

i was sent to the gaol every time

[dreamy rover]

bowling god

im also a god of bowls

but another type of bowl

[haughty flicker]

Yeah I just ignored rl when they said everyone in cages

Don’t do it

[slim copper]

and like idk if i should hold it for after the gaols or just send it on cd at that point since im getting fucked

[dreamy rover]

me every single time i've ever fought mugger and zeze

[mystic osprey]

idk i sent it on cd and got fucked either way

[severe oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-worst-luck-ever-good-shot-just-my-luck-wtf-gif-21072949

[mystic osprey]

probably smarter to hold but hard to judge

[severe oyster]

That you Whispyr?

[slim copper]

and like even looking at wowanalyzer i had a few bad envenom casts but other than that good uptimes and efficiencies

[solid canopy]

My tanks get so triggered when I ask them to pull the boss on top of the biggest clump of barrels on mythic Richard Reverb. Wont even do it good when we reclear it, might aswell play sub

[mystic osprey]

sub is way too good in that fight not to play

especially considering my team struggles killing the barrels

[nova kelp]

well, to be fair, yanking richard around might potentially cause odd amp spots

[balmy condor]

Two hands but close enough

[solid canopy]

Might be the case, u line up cds with those barrels?

Flag on the first coil spawn maybe

[drifting cloud]

!richard

[thorn thorn]

Oh pog its time for rik reverb add damage talk for sin again

0 days since last incident

[solid canopy]

Hahaha am I late to the party

[dreamy rover]

hey whispyr, how does bleed build do in really high keys (I HAVE WATCHED THE WHOLE VIDEO)

14-15-16-17+

Im just wondering, i want to delete the hybrid build

but not sure

[solid canopy]

Just dogshit with at playing sub, skillissue

[snow hamlet]

I do all 15 in times with bleed

[nova kelp]

I love skillshoes

[snow hamlet]

Feel good

[nova kelp]

they're my favourite footwear

[dreamy rover]

really? thats nice

[mystic osprey]

you pop cds 10 seconds into fihgt

[dreamy rover]

how's your overall on them?

[mystic osprey]

iirc

@balmy condor is the bleed build only for AOE?

[dreamy rover]

yhea

very weak in ST situations

[snow hamlet]

Overall it's the same thing that hybrid can do, focusing on prio damage, but have more qol when in st because of blindside

[mystic osprey]

well i mean its better in m+ than the hybrid build on st

[dreamy rover]

true, but still kinda ass idk

not an expert though O_O

[dreamy rover]

tyvm for the feedback, ill start rolling with it on higher keys

officially abandoning my hybrid build

[mystic osprey]

hybrid is pretty buns

[gaunt quiver]

I been trying Forced induction with spatter and CT. Been doing good with it.

[split grail]

Rik question: If the pyros spawn next to the boss is is better to stay on boss and caustic them down or hard switch and get the buff?

[gaunt quiver]

Dumping 30M envenoms on Momma in Floodgate and Monstrosity in Rookery.

[solar wyvern]

im assuming rupturing

the immune adds on mugzee

do not give extra energy

any knowers?

drones/bombs w.e

[gaunt quiver]

It's rarely worth swapping aside from throwing a rupture.

[desert spire]

No

you want to delay your cds

and use them when the they are about to spawn.

They melt.

[desert vault]

any particular tips/tricks for Stix mythic?

[desert spire]

Dps or def tips?

[desert vault]

Just dps I guess. Seems pretty straightforward just splatter best you can and that’s that

We are struggling a bit on crab damage but also have a rough comp for the fight too, aka no druids

[haughty flicker]

well

thats the tip

go find a boomkin

two preferably

[desert spire]

^

It makes the crabs hit the 80% marker faster.

[desert vault]

Yeah I know. I mean my solution would be swap to outlaw but even that feels tough cause if they don’t spawn close basically worthless

[desert spire]

But I delay my cds when sorting is about to happen.

[desert spire]

The issue with outlaw is when you swap off the boss to hit a crab a mile away.

One thing you could do is focus on mid distance.

so that your arent losing damage on the boss and any extra crab near boss.

[desert vault]

Yeah I dunno we aren’t super far into prog on it so hopefully it gets better. Cause I can’t see any use in putting bleeds on them or anything

[desert spire]

I mean you can do that but it but it might be better to toss in an envenom instead.

[haughty flicker]

start leveling a druid

[balmy condor]

Play CT

[desert spire]

lol

[balmy condor]

I have to keep saying it cause people keep doubting

[fleet pagoda]

is the third set of amplifiers on rik intentionally trying to bait melee into dropping the second amplifier on the boss?

[haughty flicker]

huh

[fleet pagoda]

where the timing on their spawn is giga staggered

they're not showing up on logs and it's driving me insane trying to figure out why we have two in melee every time on that one set lol

[haughty flicker]

well first suggestion is start using warcraftrecorder

or some other way to record your raids

makes looking at stuff so much easier

[fleet pagoda]

yeah I wish I had been. normally logs got me

[haughty flicker]

but also i cant remember having issues with amps dropping two on melee

[vague raft]

you guys think getting bleeds up on adds or keeping envenom buff up is more important?

for Mug'zee?

sometimes I must decide, and I don't know what is better

I guess as long as I get my bleeds up before the add dies, it's better to get envenom buff up?

also, for Sin players getting to Mug'zee soon, DoT the adds. soooo much more damage

quick lil garrote rupture

gives you like 100 energy when they die

OPOP

[haughty flicker]

yeah but you spent 70 energy + combo points to do that

like i wont claim to know the math on it but i wouldnt call it op for sure

[frank trench]

heroic house of card with a 81 roll lets go boys!!!!

[haughty flicker]

huge

im definitely happy for you and not at all jealous

especially since i definitely didnt lost both a hoc and a jastors tonight, each with a 95 roll

[frank trench]

just did a priory 11 and my dps is up half a million lol

omfg dude 😦

i died inside for you

[haughty flicker]

its ok it was on an alt

so its not as painful

[vague raft]

it's worth, just from an anecdotal perspective

there's no way it's not

[haughty flicker]

i trust

[vague raft]

also, fuck this boss. that is all

[frank trench]

Is priory trinket better than cards?

From a 1 v1

[haughty flicker]

they're basically equal at equal ilvl

[stable cove]

with bleed build do yal envenom in st or just ct

[haughty flicker]

you still envenom lmao

you just keep ct bleed up

[stable cove]

ok i just keep runnin out of energy sadge

[haughty flicker]

ct doesnt do any initial damage