assassination

[coral ibex]

no i dont

[vivid mulch]

XD

[golden loom]

I got firstball when I was holding cds until 38 seconds 🙂 and got last ball while boss was in execute range 🙂

[coral ibex]

my guild keeps trying to 2 heal cauldron and i keep getting sacrificed

[coral ibex]

[vivid mulch]

We dont talk about that

[golden loom]

im also not in on rik and stix today so cant improve the parse....

lockenstock 100 on prog kill tho maybe 🙏

[coral ibex]

we wiped on vexie last night

and one pulled rik

make it make sense

[golden loom]

honestly I hate vexie outside of the damage amp

like just sliding around in oil all fight idk

[coral ibex]

i thought i was going infinite on vexie and then i only got a 96

[slate crown]

what a ripoff, I would not pay that much for an eye. Good on your for getting the sale, though, get that bag

[golden loom]

had 4 people insta whisper me

[nimble tartan]

my bro sold an eye for 1 milli

[slate crown]

For what purpose? and what do you mean? Many plater profiles add a tickmark to mob HP at the 35% mark anyways

[nimble tartan]

like week 3 on NORMAL

[slate crown]

insanity

[blazing kayak]

I sold heroic house of cards week 2 for 1.1 mill and then got it as a vault option the following tuesday lol

[golden loom]

I got a warbound kezan on our first HC gally kill that I mailed to my warrior

[coral ibex]

had a 28 milli envenom on vexie too

[onyx linden]

Yeah vexie is great

fuck rik

I got PI'd on vexie yesterday and got the big 100

[silk sundial]

I hate vexie cause everyone is too focused on their parse to run bikes in but really most of your dmg is inside the amp so if they ran the bikes in we would parse better. Make it make sense

[golden loom]

people not running bikes in is great

PLEASE HOLD THEM FOR MY CDS

[silk sundial]

Like last kill I ran in 6 bikes and still got a 97. Like cmon guys

[onyx linden]

haha yeah bikes only matter on the second amp

since you can actually be late for that

first amp you want to wait

[golden loom]

I think our raid leader is bored of it at this point tho and just calls to insta send them

kinda based

[grim jay]

ew

why only signet in my vault

I wanted pacemaker

[subtle karma]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[kind forge]

No pacemaker for me either 🤝

[onyx linden]

I dunno pretty sure you you kill it faster if you wait for 2m cds on first amp. If he's bored of vexie he should wait

[grim jay]

atleast we suffer together

[kind forge]

Apes strong together

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/love-hug-heartbreak-hotel-bff-gif-14479095

really hate it if my vault is only good for one spec

[vast shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x69KV6TMeVrgM6pGdGujCF

this is bad right?

[coral ibex]

you're in m+ spec

[vast shuttle]

oh

[grim jay]

and you probably have way too much crit for signet

[coral ibex]

you also gave yourself lots of raid buffs

and are using the wrong flask

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4bjvWSSPqSFUnjQBswUCRD

my m+ build sims around there on ST tho

[fierce galleon]

Here's a stupid question, are we supposed to be not spamming envenoms? Are we awaiting the duration of the debuff? and is this true for Kingsbane window and outside of CDs?

[unreal karma]

Does an assa rouge only focus on crit and mastery?

[hot flicker]

Does refreshing or applying bleeds have a higher prio then envenom spamming on main target

[midnight atlas]

yes

[fallow canopy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[midnight atlas]

if you spam envenom on main target without bleeds you'll run out of energy fast.
put up bleeds, then focus on main target, then refresh bleeds

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor demise maxing

[grand trail]

stealthi i have question for you

[earnest remnant]

then ask?

[gilded oasis]

how does it feel to be so cute

[grand trail]

would you take mythic pacemaker when you have hc kezan

during progg

[earnest remnant]

Eh maybe since it also gives you easier upgrading paths to it

like half / full discount on upgrading hc kezan to max

[grand trail]

already have kezan max out

have pacemaker second time in vault, but cant really use it for bosses we are progging/going to progg

all 7m+

[earnest remnant]

then it comes down to how much you value the small upgrade you would get vs the upgrade for farm right

id not take pacemaker

since i only care about progress

[grand trail]

but than the buffs come nerfs bosses get shorter and ramping trinkets worse

[unreal karma]

okay, thx I only asked because you could rely on raidbots (stats) earlier

[grand trail]

yeah im about same

[frank trench]

Jesus I have done floodgate 30 times and haven’t even seen it drop

[grand trail]

im htinkin about it all day 😄

[frank trench]

You have had 2x in vault :0

[spice surge]

Theres a huge orange disclaimer right there

[grand trail]

eleem whats your opinion on subject 😄

[hot flicker]

So essentially anything other then doing bleeds is just if you have time to kill

And I was watching the video we want to stay above 50% energy?

[coral ibex]

you have to wonder how someone takes a screenshot like that without reading the big orange disclaimer

[fervent willow]

how good is the bleed build compare to hybrid in 14+ keys

[fallow canopy]

[coral ibex]

better

[tepid hearth]

I see the "Bleed build" recommended on WoWhead and here in the pins, but Archon leands towards the "Hybrid" build. Are there certain cases i want to use one or the other for keys? i'm doing +12s right now

[coral ibex]

why do you think archon shows that info

[vast shuttle]

what flask shoud i use?

[coral ibex]

it just does data aggreggation

[fallow canopy]

alch chaos

[tepid hearth]

right, but it doesn't line up with one of the recommended builds, so why are people using different talents? Because they are better? that's why I'm asking

[coral ibex]

why don't you go ask them

i see plenty of people running bleed in high keys

[tepid hearth]

...are you always like this?

[coral ibex]

and ill let you know how the data aggreggation works

you see people running hybrid according to archon

[hot flicker]

Ngl he’s kinda asking everyone rn lol

[coral ibex]

you input 0 thought

you copy their build

suddenly archon shows yet another rogue using the same talents

hybrid build looks even more popular

[fallow canopy]

hybrid used to be better/popular and change tends to happen gradually, its not like hybrid its unplayable either

[coral ibex]

meanwhile the guide has reasoning to explain why it is recommended

[gusty mirage]

But what if I have a smooth brain?

[fallow canopy]

archon is just scraping data and vomiting it on a website

[tepid hearth]

brother i know how archon works, that's why I'm asking here to see if people are seeing a shift into seeing more of the bleed build and what their experience is with it

[gusty mirage]

My thoughts just slip off the brain cuz no ridges

[coral ibex]

i hear if you squeeze really hard you can force a wrinkle

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bee-bruh-gif-4580763730124008555

[onyx linden]

Bleed is just better, use it all the time

[gusty mirage]

Yeah bleed’s less annoying too

[fallow canopy]

bleed good

[gusty mirage]

Because you don’t have to worry about kingsbane which does fuck all for damage anymore anyway lol

[coral ibex]

the information regarding bleed is new

so the data hasn't been aggreggated yet

feel like thats obvious

[split veldt]

both higher higher io rating than me, yet im the one who struggles to get into keys

13 rookery

[cinder geode]

only issue I have with bleed build is on ST, feel like im doing something wrong

[hot flicker]

Most likely your not the st on bleed build just feels bad

[onyx linden]

I dunno it kinda feels better than hybrid

[gusty mirage]

It feels the same for me tbh

Which is generally meh at best

[coral ibex]

bleed feels better on ST for me

blindside goes insane

[onyx linden]

yeah I love blindside

hybrid on st feels like shit without it

[hot flicker]

Just accidentally pull couple mobs into boss

It’ll be fine

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

this man games and it shows

Awww darn I accidentally pulled that pack the tank purposefully avoided

Shucks

[cinder geode]

hope they address anything ST related in 11.1.5, maybe cope, but st especially KB feels so ass

[onyx linden]

just dont break the pillars on end boss rookery

easy+targets

[coral ibex]

aw man sorry i just had to dodge out that way and fok that pack to you with tricks up

oh well

[gusty mirage]

Yeah KB is a shadow of what it was in DF

It just sucks now

[onyx linden]

I mean the new enchant is probably better for us than most classes

easy +3k to all stats

[fallow canopy]

"whoops I accidentally pulled, this damn arterial precision talent is so buggy smh head"

[gusty mirage]

Imma be yelled at by whispyr for saying this but the DF launch iteration of assa’s tree with exsang and kingsbane

[hardy rapids]

At the end of the day it’s preference. most of the sim difference is negligible if I recall. Not only that but if you’re in a premade doing 18s everyone is already exceedingly good

[gusty mirage]

Was just so good

You had giga dam every minute

[hot flicker]

The amount of times a tank has attempted to make me full ST 1 peacekeeper in ML

[strange python]

Doing brewery 13 earlier, tank didn't pull mobs back like usual and got a spatter proc to pull first boss 🫣 literally never pulled with splatter that I'm aware of, felt I was miles away 🤣

[hot flicker]

The key word there is attempted

[cinder geode]

its a month and a half away im suspicious of void ritual getting nerfed

[onyx linden]

yeah it prob will

[hot flicker]

Just insta pulled next pack no way I gonna st for 1-2mins on peacekeepers

[cinder geode]

hopium but maybe everything else gets buffed

[onyx linden]

it will get nerfed a bit and the others buffed

will still prob be the best

[cinder geode]

for us probably no matter what unless stars or echoing void is big damage we prolly wont care about a random damage proc

[onyx linden]

yep

kinda boring just raw stats, but wtv

bigger envenoms

[strange python]

Any big rotational considerations for bleed? Been using in 12-13s lately and really enjoying it, seems around if not a touch better than hybrid so I like both. Main thing I've been doing different is keeping CT up even in ST

[cinder geode]

im more just tryna see what the class tuning is looking like its weird there is no datamined anything under 2 weeks before it drops

[brazen fern]

How good is Junkmaestros Mega Magnet really? Its simming as the best 2nd Trinket and ive also seen the wowhead Trinket Explanation. Do you guys want to play this trinket or prefer any other trinkets?

[cinder geode]

the .5 patches is usually where they drop the bigger class changes stuff anyway

[onyx linden]

I don't have one but yeah sims really strong. Assuming your guild can kill bunkjunker M there's probably no one else wanting it so you can get a free myth trink

[idle radish]

exsang was so sick (but op)

[brazen fern]

It has a 20sec cooldown. Would you bind it to any spell and does it share trinket cooldown with Hoc as example?

[onyx linden]

You don't want to bind it like that because you use it on darkest night (which weirdly) buffs it. That's why its good as sin

[vast shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eUM719sSm14UWtGnBHxjtZ

@coral ibex

is it bad?

[coral ibex]

idk what you're asking

its a sim

[rotund oak]

validation

i dont like the hair

prefer humans

[vast shuttle]

if my dmg is low on bosses

[hot flicker]

Supposed to use magnet when you in lingering darkness

[vast shuttle]

idk whats good

[coral ibex]

what about the sim will answer that

like idk what ur asking

[gusty mirage]

Man it just CRANKED

[pulsar ice]

currenly extending on mugzee mythic with 675 crafted main hand, my trinkets ate HoC hc and eye hc what should i pick

[gusty mirage]

And if you exsanged your DM you were just sad lmao

[onyx linden]

oh is it lingering? I thought it was darkest night, my bad

[spice spire]

I’d pick seaforium here

[hot flicker]

It’s in the pins

[spice spire]

There’s a few daggers in the pool

[onyx linden]

yep

[spice spire]

Only one pacemaker

[fallow canopy]

eye is kinda crazy good for those last 2 fights, but who knows when you are gonna get a pacemaker again

[spice spire]

Eye is good on mugzee and gally tho

[grand trail]

He can't play pacemaker on mugzee or gallawiz tho

[spice spire]

But for m+ and whatnot

I’d pace

[idle radish]

the nerf was funny, +like 200% CD -alot of dmg oto

[pulsar ice]

i dont realy care for m+ on rogue tho, its just for mythic prog

[digital spindle]

In AoE is it worth it to consume ambush proc outside of needing to reapply spatter or just FoK assuming conditions for it are met?

[grand trail]

I'm in same boat skyler and in gonna leave pacemaker in vault again

[pulsar ice]

i might do the same tbf

[rotund oak]

also only one quake

🫶

[spice spire]

Realistically how much in gains are you getting from 3 ilvl in mh

[spice spire]

As I’ve learned from rogue pings

[fallow canopy]

like 1%

[spice spire]

There are several

[spice spire]

That’s not irrelevant on prog ig

[faint tapir]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pulsar ice]

its 1.3% on dagger

[spice spire]

That’s GV + upgrade for both I assume

Yeah given you’re only focused on mythic I’d just go dagger

If it were an all season bit I’d choose pace. But logic makes sense

[sonic schooner]

@spice surge i m slowly getting there, still no demise minmax it s still going crazy. Getting the habit of applying rupture at the end

[harsh harbor]

so when the hell do you use deathmark in the bleed build?

[humble verge]

on big bois on CD

[west crown]

After your bleeds are up

[haughty flicker]

The same time you would always use it

Lmao

[humble verge]

kek

[harsh harbor]

I have it my head that its tied to KB

so this breaks my brain a bit

[idle radish]

can someone explain this bleed build is it good in 12s and up, typically wasnt it just a lower key level build

[lean plover]

well, same as before, just without kingsbane

try to hold it for boss

[dawn kelp]

its good for 20s itll be great for ur 12

[polar rampart]

does bleed build fall off in like 14+ keys?

[lean plover]

bc if u only get 1dm on boss u deal 0 dmg to it

[lone minnow]

sorry fi this has been asked and answered anywhere but has anything changed ST?

[dapper cradle]

Ur deadly poison damage is too low

Should be #1

[fallow canopy]

big if true

[lucid silo]

no one will ever take my iron wire from me

[fathom crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[median scroll]

do we use raid council build on stix or cleave?

[humble verge]

you can just cleave

i believe using CT on stix isent worth it energy wise

[fallow canopy]

I just went normal build with spatter + arterial but some people run ct and shit

[median scroll]

ok ty guys

[native turret]

why lock friend sim higher when purple class bad 🤔

[hot flicker]

Bleed build sims scuffed cause of sudden demise

[spice spire]

Because not all TCs subscribe to realistic gameplay. Also locks aren’t bad

[native turret]

its joke dont worry

[spice spire]

Also if you’re talking bleed yeah that

Oh I see

Lotta people do ask that

[native turret]

nah, ST no bleed

300k under lock buddy when i was smoking him before this week 🥲

his upgrades hit harder

[spice spire]

So if you clip your Ct at exactly 3.1s on Rik reverb it’s approximately a 0.1% gain

Glhf

(This isn’t serious)

[native turret]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-notes-gif-17478299096235163441

[hot flicker]

Make sure your send full cp to refresh slice and dice

[subtle tundra]

yeah i heavily doubt gear did that

[subtle tundra]

good tip

[hot flicker]

Massive gains

[native turret]

nah im only 140k down from him after swapping specs,

[split veldt]

this bleed build kinda crazy, failed 13 priory at the 2nd boss, but still

[gray pecan]

can u put here this build? :))

[spice spire]

Pins

It’s in the pins

[split veldt]

yeah pins

i got it there

[gray pecan]

sry im new. what is pins xD

[native turret]

top right

[gray pecan]

th

x

[viscid spear]

I would reach through the screen and strangle you for that Pacemaker

[humble verge]

time to swap to outlaw

[final star]

build good

[gusty mirage]

Imagine stealing barakoshama’s name

[final star]

would never be me

[gusty mirage]

You’re too busy being cute

To do such a thing

[final star]

no you

when they gonna fix this MA bug

[gusty mirage]

Never

They only fix beneficial bugs

[grand trail]

quick weekly they say

jeszus

tank baited on his score to carry rats 😄

[humble verge]

i love getting tmog

[spice spire]

Please tell me this was like

A mechagon or top

[grand trail]

rookery

[hollow saddle]

In m+ on bosses, do you just keep all ur bleeds up and spam muti>envenom?

[coral ibex]

maintain all bleeds

if you have time to press envenom, do so

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/please-say-sike-eric-andre-gif-14690972

[hollow saddle]

Okaydokey. will give it a go

Yeah i'm not sure what they were thinking with Rookery. All the mobs taking you out of stealth.

[waxen oyster]

what mobs

[hollow saddle]

The blue crystal guy I assume it is.

[waxen oyster]

open faster i guess

Never had that issue

[hollow saddle]

Yeah probably not as noticeable on assa, since of sub

[waxen oyster]

No i track my subter so i'd know if i got pulled out early

[tacit bone]

If you release the birds after boss 1 it will kick you outta stealth with that lightning dmg. that's the only time i notice

[waxen oyster]

never experienced it

[hollow saddle]

Wierd, I instantly get taken out of stealth if anyone on my party gets in combat

[waxen oyster]

This is why you engage the pack first

[drowsy veldt]

Bird buff pops as soon as anyone enters combat, if you don’t free a bird you won’t have an issue, means you miss out on the lil bit of dmg though

[spice surge]

Its the lightning buff from the birds

So dont go into the nests

[waxen oyster]

Which birds?

at the very start?

[haughty flicker]

on the way down from first boss

[spice surge]

When you go down the hole

[hollow saddle]

Aha, I thought it was just cringe mobs

[haughty flicker]

if you lightning into a birb you get a buff

[spice surge]

After first boss

[waxen oyster]

oh i just go straight down

sometimes i just raw dog without a feather

[tired wagon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[low thicket]

lightning birb breaks my stealth but free damage

[haughty flicker]

yeah uh

about that

it does like 100k total

[muted sparrow]

which build would you guys say is more simple to learn? the bleed build or this one?

[waxen oyster]

They both play around the same concepts

[low thicket]

I mean 100k is 100k

plus stealth bonuses last long enough

[waxen oyster]

people say stuff like that while playing something like belf though

[muted sparrow]

keep garrote and rupture up and then envenom when they are both up?

[waxen oyster]

stinky

I mean read the guide

sin is a simple spec tbh

[muted sparrow]

I have

[waxen oyster]

so practice

[muted sparrow]

im not new to it, just returning after I didn't play for a while

[waxen oyster]

slam dummies for an hour

[humble verge]

holy shit

[waxen oyster]

or something

[low thicket]

belf < nelf

[humble verge]

i got purple log on rik

[muted sparrow]

so I'm just gathering up opinions

[humble verge]

[waxen oyster]

I mean imo they both are in the same tier of piss easy

[muted sparrow]

That's fine, it's good to know

[waxen oyster]

your emphasis as bleed is jsut a bit more on your dots

[muted sparrow]

I did one heroic dungeon on it so far

poor dylan

[harsh harbor]

so wouldnt you want to DM, before you rupture, CT so it dupicates? or am I misunderstanding

or does it dupicate the bleeds already on the target?

sorry still trying to wrap my head around the bleed build

[inner citrus]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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[coral ibex]

you want bleeds and poisons on a target before you DM

DM dynamically updates but you dont want to waste DM uptime with no bleeds

just make sure you refresh before DM comes off cd

[harsh harbor]

So if i rupture, then dm, that rupture gets the bonus

i dont need to rupture, dm, rupture again correct?

[inner citrus]

yes

[harsh harbor]

Thank you

[golden loom]

@coral ibex guild is re-clearing stix atm and I am about to get glaives, life is good 🔥

[inner citrus]

you want to rup, garrote, CT before DM

[harsh harbor]

does shiv work similarly with AP?

[silver escarp]

The template is the same for all boss right?

There's no other template

[coral ibex]

i'm unironically looking forward to reclearing stix after sprocket kill tomorrow

we have a FUCKING BOOMIE IN THE RAID NOW

[silver escarp]

just changing the spatter

[coral ibex]

on sprocket you would run TTB instead of AP

since AP is more of a cleave talent

[golden loom]

I wouldnt mind either but also dont mind sitting

we got a 2nd boomie in so

[silver escarp]

ah yea good point

[coral ibex]

we recruited a new mistweaver and our mistweaver is on their main druid now playing boomie

i think a melee got sat, idk

this happened last week when i was away

[whole stratus]

Just read and watched a bit about the bleed build and there is something I don't understand about Crimson Tempest snapshotting. It's specifically stated that "You don't wanna refresh that 80% stronger Crimson Tempest on single target". It's not obvious to me why that is the case and I don't think it's explained in the whispyr video. So my question is why wouldn't we want to snapshot a stronger Crimson Tempest on single target? Thanks in advance 😄

[golden loom]

the snapshot is target count

but if u reapply, it takes the new target count

so I guess its not really a snapshot cause u cant upkeep it

[muted sparrow]

is this a normal damage breakdown for single target?

[cinder geode]

my crimson tempest is usually a bit higher but yes thats very normal

[frank trench]

When you are running 12s do you run cheat death or better feint

[cinder geode]

On any dungeon where there a lot of random one shots if youre careless i just go cheat

floodgate, rookery, motherlode i usually go cheat

[frank trench]

I’m having issues with third boss in floodgate

[cinder geode]

Mostly a heal check

[frank trench]

That dps phase just lasts too effing long

If you defensive like 1 second too early

It’s massive dam

[real pike]

is there actually a worse feeling in this game than your opening kingsbane getting parried

[bronze marsh]

laughs in trickster

[frank trench]

I wish trickster was better 😦

[whole stratus]

Hmm maybe I understand now. If you have a buffed CT running on the boss and the adds die, you want to let CT expire because its buffed. And if you reapplied CT in that pandemic window you would realistically overwrite the last seconds of the buffed CT which is bad because there is now only 1 target. Is this the correct logic or am I still missing the point? @golden loom

[golden loom]

now the worst feeling is getting KB parried WITH a sub rogue in the raid

[golden loom]

Exactly, the CT u casted with adds is probably a 5 target CT (massive DAM) and if you cast a new one when theres like 10 seconds remaining ur just making that remaining 10 seconds into a 1 target CT

Improved garotte follows the same logic

[waxen oyster]

Stack with your linked person

[bronze marsh]

based af

[golden loom]

you want it to have as little duration as possible remaining when reapplying a new normal one

[pure oriole]

Is the bleed build working out better than the KB build ?

[gray hazel]

How come you want to use shiv before applying bleeds in the new build?

[hardy rapids]

[gray hazel]

I dont think i saw that reason covered in the vid

[fallow canopy]

arterial precision talent

wait before

idk what you mean

[gray hazel]

In Whis vid

[whole stratus]

Perfect, very good to know. My current Garrote WA does not account for that, I guess I gotta do something about that

[gray hazel]

he did shiv then garrote/rup

I wonder if it was just to get CT up

I didnt see that rotation in the guide

[pure oriole]

Is there the same amount of downtime with this new build vs KB. Idk… if I’m fucking up but I get some nasty downtime sometimes 😑

[gray hazel]

or maybe im just reading into it to much lol

[final star]

was just to get quick button up for show video

[gray hazel]

Gotcha, thanks!

[past bobcat]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fallow canopy]

just saw that part of the video he's just making an example of holding 1 charge for bleed damage on execute

like kpb said

[red schooner]

don't know if i'm pleased or sad to be benched on stix prog lmao

[oblique jackal]

I wouldn't be mad. Stix is a shit boss, imo.

[native turret]

its not fun.

even as outlaw it was not fun

[red schooner]

i had good damage on hyenas but ye, I blame the boomkins

Boomkins like 4th and 7th on bombshell damage

it be how it be, blame the chicken

[buoyant herald]

Stix was ok, thankfully our boomies were pulling their weight and were top bomb damage by a mile

[tall elm]

whats the new bleed build thing you guys were talking about?

[deep gyro]

New?

[buoyant herald]

It’s not really new, just the appreciation is new

[tall elm]

gotcha

[red schooner]

one of them was playing single target build lmao

[buoyant herald]

Look at the wowhead guide, it’s got the bleed build under recommended options there (for keys)

[buoyant herald]

Bro what? Do they not understand the entire point of their existence?

[tall elm]

kk

[red schooner]

tbf we made a mistake

of trusting a chicken

we shouldn't have trusted a chicken

[tall elm]

anyone else freeze up attacking the target dummys as sin ?

[red schooner]

but ye pretty much lmao

[little tulip]

idk it seems like hybrid or bleed could get you through a 12 with pugs under 665 gear

just have to not die due to lag which happned to me on 12 mecha and also just pugs dying i.e 12 floodgate

still wanna get 3k and jam with homies but yeah not our week

[tall elm]

is there some bug with all the dots and stuff that causes lag with sin?

because i full froze up on the target dummys lol

[little tulip]

weakauras can smoke current gen hardware tbh

[tall elm]

im kinda older 2080ti

[little tulip]

i have to do lou without cause it causes 1 armed bandit to tank my nasa jr pc

[tall elm]

era

[grand trail]

my best craft is shoulders, little weird since its already crit mastery

[little tulip]

ye same with a current-ish gen processor

weak auras are poorly integrated with current wow art goals which is a lot of chiaroscuro and actors doing idle shit

(shadows on walls and models doing stuff)

[balmy condor]

You can press it once at the end of LD, which is recommended, it ends up being identical

[little tulip]

booba aside if you know what im saying https://artignition.com/wp-content/uploads/elementor/thumbs/What-is-Chiaroscuro-q7yfdc390pki2fe04j5zcswtztriowwp6w29qtwhwg.jpg

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t matter how many times you press it during lingering, the damage is based on the stacks

And you don’t cap on them

So it’s completely irrelevant

[coral ibex]

thanks boss

[oblique jackal]

The bleed build could be solid damage wise for stix

[balmy condor]

Could it? Or are you just saying that

[red schooner]

our issue was the boomkins doing dumb things so the territorials never made it into melee range

[balmy condor]

Cause that frankly sounds horrendous to me

[red schooner]

because, boomkin, in single target build

[haughty flicker]

have entire raid go st and you play bleed build in stix

[red schooner]

nah my plan is to go bleed build on stix reclear and see if i can sudden demise mind controlled allies

gotta teach them not to be mind controlled

[haughty flicker]

also you need to find a new boomkin

[warm vortex]

This game fucking sucks

Rip uber parse

[haughty flicker]

anyone who plays boomkin and decides to play a st build on stix

needs help

[red schooner]

lo and behold they got told to switch build and prog is so much easier now

lmao

[red schooner]

overall on damage to the territorials above 80% hp, I did 75% of the damage of one of the chickens

[haughty flicker]

hardest part of that fight as boomkin is not getting killed by hyenas when your katamari people dont pick them up

[haughty flicker]

ew

[red schooner]

bombshells weren't going off the podiums so I ended up having to hardswitch to fucking try and move them off

[haughty flicker]

yeah find a new boomkin

[red schooner]

which, didn't go well, because rogue and hardswitching

but like

[haughty flicker]

i'll sub in for you

[red schooner]

the fuck can you do

i tried i dunno

[little tulip]

1:30 minute cooldowns prefer the ials

jails*

[cedar elm]

bleed is for chumps

return to kb

[little tulip]

outlaw of course umm

[red schooner]

you can't make me i have seen the light now

the light of bleed

[little tulip]

all the damage this raid overall

[red schooner]

i dunno there's something nice about looking at details as adds die and your numbers just shooting up

[little tulip]

😐

[haughty flicker]

from the moment i understood the weakness of my kingsbane it disgusted me

i will never forsake bleed

[cedar elm]

padding patties everywhere

[haughty flicker]

more st=pad

bait used to be believable mr frog

[red schooner]

nah mate finishing priority targets

[little tulip]

no no, that amp matters it's not getting spent on an add

it's phasing

[cedar elm]

i will never abandon kb

[red schooner]

just because i save shiv for demise range sometimes

doesn't mean i'm padding

[haughty flicker]

i respect the conviction

[red schooner]

i'm zoldyck maximising

[haughty flicker]

even if its misplaced

[little tulip]

uncap kingsbane

no balls

[haughty flicker]

did you try telling your boomkin to press starfall

[cedar elm]

If kb has a million fans, then I am one of them. If kb has ten fans, then I am one of them. If kb has only one fan then that is me. If kb has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against kb, then I am against the world.

[red schooner]

ye idk what boomkins were doing

chickens confuse me

they have strange ways

[little tulip]

only for smiting on mythic rasha mechanics

woosh

[red schooner]

i even asked the raid leader about swapping my feral to boomie just to help out, cos it seems easy. Be in range of bombshells, have astral power before bombshells, hit starfall

win

idk the play seems simple

[haughty flicker]

yeah you play a build with 1m trees instead of the normal 45s

[sick mantle]

How are we doing in higher keys? Are we getting invites or are ppl meta fixated?

[haughty flicker]

and every astral power generating talent

and when bombshells come out you press starfall 15 times in a row

[red schooner]

i just copied a build from wowhead no clue if it was optimal

but ye just hit starfall and go afk or smth

[haughty flicker]

[little tulip]

umm they fall over from sudden demise around 6% in 11's

[haughty flicker]

this is on heroic though

[little tulip]

feral apparently doesn't have an execute mechanic at 35% we look fline

[red schooner]

idk i never tried mythic, but ye boomkin felt easy when i messed around on it

[little tulip]

ye wish boomkin got the evoker treatment

[warm vortex]

OF fucking course

The one time i die on mugzee on a non wipe is the kill

of fucking course it is

[haughty flicker]

classic

[red schooner]

watch the stream of prog, chickens being menaces on balls

i swear

chickens are something else

[warm vortex]

Me on the 0% pull btw

https://tenor.com/view/rat-clenches-fist-of-rage-rat-clench-fist-rage-gif-20880451

Anyway excuse the malding

[spiral pasture]

thoughts on delaying opener on stix?

[silk sundial]

On mythic Stix, let's say your cds are up or about to come up for the adds but you get a ball. After you pop the ball do you send your cds or hold them for the next set of adds?

[spiral pasture]

see a lot of logs sending at ~40

[indigo mulch]

Big, but if you get ball on the first one.. then you become very sad.

[haughty flicker]

i meant to try holding last week and forgot every time

i try this week

[buoyant herald]

this is kiiiinda padding behaviour but probably doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things

[haughty flicker]

nothing we do outside of balls matters on stix anyway

just pad on adds when they come in and do mechanics

and hope your ranged arent terrorists

[red schooner]

and hope you have sensible chickens

[coral ibex]

you cry

calling add damage "padding behavior" is wild

[dapper cradle]

damage profile looking like anti homeless spikes on a park bench

[golden loom]

boss doesnt count for all stars anyways

[silk sundial]

Follow up question. Why hold for 40 seconds? Adds spawn around 30

[coral ibex]

because the adds dont spawn on the boss

they have to get there

[silk sundial]

Fair point

[coral ibex]

i press DM at 38 seconds

there are usually hyenas and bombshells around me by then

[silk sundial]

Yeah I found if you hold for the 1st set but get the ball, by the time you pop out and try to get your opener off the base goes into intermission and you waste a lot of dmg

[haughty flicker]

yeah if you get ball you just wipe the raid and go again

[coral ibex]

on god

[golden loom]

Based

[coral ibex]

i sent ball insta into stix on heroic for my parse this week and thought of you

[golden loom]

Very good

Did you get a good parse

[coral ibex]

97

[silk sundial]

I'm glad it's off all stars but I don't wanna stare at a blue number on the logs

[coral ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xrt4vPmda3zAnBjF?fight=10&type=damage-done

[golden loom]

0% uptime love to see it

1 ball kinda needs to be 3 tho

[coral ibex]

can't believe they actually fixed my gallagio rep

i was convinced my rep was just gonna be perma behind all season

[haughty flicker]

ngl i was surprised too lmao

blizzard actually fixed something for once

[spiral pasture]

do you bother multidotting anything on stix?

[golden loom]

No

Hit boss

[eager pond]

Always cursed on myth loot

[loud hearth]

If a 678 ring is simming higher than Cyrce's, am I doing something wrong?

I thought we were keeping Cyrce's until next tier?

[eager pond]

Nah, you have cyrce until a second good ring appears
At least I understood that

[golden loom]

Link sim

Circlet should not be replaced

[loud hearth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5ut5N66zxVHn8YBEeKvMFr

[coral ibex]

circlet is equivalent to ilvl 700

[flint snow]

might still be using legendary skipper, i missed that memo

to switch to windsinger

[loud hearth]

Already have, not using Skipper's

[digital stirrup]

Alright i'm struggling to find info on how to change the plater nameplate color without just downloading someone else's plater entirely. I just want rupture to change the color of the nameplate, anyone able to help?

[golden loom]

wait is your 2nd highest stat vers?

[loud hearth]

Yeah

[golden loom]

ah that might be why

incase circlet is giving vers instead of mastery

might have to get some sim expert to confirm but thats my theory atleast

[loud hearth]

I have 22k Mastery and 10k vers

Thought it went off highest rating?

[golden loom]

oh sorry didnt mean 2nd highest, meant highest secondary

disregard all that then

then idk

[grand trail]

i can replace circlet 😛

[indigo mulch]

[south drum]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[grand trail]

im more wonderring about this choice of craft https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mKPqLufCxCXFrKtWvqzvXu

[tired wagon]

does rik logic also apply to barrels in meadery

[royal lantern]

what barrels in meadery

[tired wagon]

the explodey ones

[royal lantern]

from the adds?

[spice spire]

Running you now. Seeing a ton of mastery and you may have just hit a wall where the sim wants anything but a shit ton of it, but we’ll see soon.
An 11k increase is kinda wild

[royal lantern]

they die too cleave anyway lol

[spice spire]

Somewhat had this issue early on when I had like 26k mastery (just whatever dropped that was higher ilvl) and like no other stats - so my sim was doing weird things like adding haste.
This all changed when I got the myth brew neck and now I gotta dump it somewhere but yeah.

All we can do is run and see

[vestal eagle]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[digital stirrup]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[native turret]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vestal eagle]

guys, question i cant get my head around: I ahve it sometimes that on keys i lost deathstalkers mark on pure singletarget bossfights.
what can cause that?

[coral ibex]

many m+ bosses don't die, they have some RP and then phase out

that will eat your mark

[real pike]

anyone else suffering from some insane reprog this raid

[vestal eagle]

i think i had it on the candle guy midfight somehow

its a huge dps loss and i mostly see it too late :/

[stiff surge]

the only i can think of is you're not consuming your darkest night with a 7 point envenom

[vestal eagle]

will that drop it?

[sharp lily]

Yes

[stiff surge]

yeah if you dont consume darkest night with a 7 point envenom it will drop in 30sec

[vestal eagle]

wait how could that happen?

[stiff surge]

only spamming 5-6 point envenom would be my guess

[spice spire]

Ngl king I’m even more confused by the results

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9eVXRNGGqYhvnk49YoGg7b

@balmy condor what the fuck am I missing here

[vestal eagle]

hmmm i mean i have the WA that colours the last CP purple when i have the proc.
But could be that im doing some rupture and movement and mechanic

but 30 sec.. hmm unlikely. Will have an eye on it

[hidden bay]

wheres your circlet?

[real pike]

when do people send CDs on stix

[coral ibex]

on pull or around 38s

[upbeat niche]

Siphoning Stiletto is simming really high for me but is that a trap because of its effect?

[lean plover]

are corruptions rly releasing in a month rather than on patch launch?

[coral ibex]

i mean they're not out now so yea they are coming later

[spice spire]

Are you doing droptomizer

[upbeat niche]

yes

[spice spire]

It so there’s no detection on embellishment

So it’s just a third embellishment

[coral ibex]

why does it really matter when the corruptions come

[lean plover]

idc

[coral ibex]

they're just minor stat gains

[lean plover]

i just find it weird

that they release the main content of the patch

1 month into the patch

[upbeat niche]

So Stilleto isnt actually that good

[golden loom]

its horrible

[balmy condor]

Worst embellishment actually

[balmy condor]

I’ll take a look

[spice spire]

Ty because I’m consistently getting a pretty large gain

[balmy condor]

Holy gem sim Batman

[spice spire]

Listen

I had a hunch

It was apparently

Fucking stupid

[balmy condor]

What was the hunch

That bro needs a vers gem?

[thorn thorn]

Thinking is a dps loss

[loud hearth]

If my sim tells me to replace Cyrce's with a 678 ring, do I trust it?

[sonic schooner]

16m iteration gem sims or nothing

[fervent willow]

with bleed build should I still keep up to 5 ruptures or just keep doting all long last adds?

[sonic schooner]

Rupture everything until it s dead from demise

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wZhGdykrssdvYrdbaLPb5M

idk I simmed it and looks within margin of error here

[warm vortex]

Guys

Gally

[balmy condor]

Your stats should even out at some point and circlet will be better again

[warm vortex]

I somehow got a 99 while we lusted in intermission

[fervent willow]

should I rupture even if they are low hp?

[golden loom]

intermission?

gz tho king

[sonic schooner]

should check whispyr video in pin, i think he explains that rupture to have a demise is more than an evenom cast in spatter

or something close to that i dont remember

[spice spire]

Nah he hit a mastery wall and needs other shit so bad that even circlet was worse

But gems wanted mastery as a side so that’s just not true

[balmy condor]

I mean that’s exactly what happened

[warm vortex]

Sheild

I hope this stays

I hope i don't wake up tmrrw and see it at 98

[spice spire]

Oh ig with dropping all 5k+ mastery the value gains a little back

[golden loom]

like at 40%? isnt that the normal lust spot

[hidden bay]

did i deserve or did i not

[spice spire]

But gallywix ring having 6k + 5k static from circlet I could see that being similar to me earlier this season

But at that point my sim sold mastery for literally anything else

[hidden bay]

the answer is no!

[spice spire]

Did you kill the boss?

If so yes you did king

[hidden bay]

reclear

[spice spire]

Did you do better this time around?

[sonic schooner]

Herp going crazy on eye

[spice spire]

Iirc you hit a 0 the first time

[hidden bay]

[spice spire]

Because it was the one time you messed up

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh you just slammed gems and that won’t move any needle, gotta actually like make a change

[hidden bay]

yea its a 60 now

[balmy condor]

Recrafting gear etc

[loud hearth]

So just a current stat issue and I would want Cyrce's back eventually?

In that case I probably take a socket

[spice spire]

Oh yeah I’m on mobile so recrafting is not happening

While I’m doing that here

[balmy condor]

I’m in bed and managed fine

[spice spire]

Yeah you trying to kiss about it or?

[hidden bay]

5 casts more and dealing way less dmg

[cerulean nest]

46 CPM on sprocketmonger is so funny

just checked my log

[spice spire]

Press the arrow show the crit

[fallow canopy]

Skill issue with ur old self smh

[vast shuttle]

whats the item to apply a socket?

[balmy condor]

Rings/amulets are magnificient jeweler’s setting

[spice spire]

Damn didn’t realize xxxtentacion was referenced

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-xxxtentacion-gif-18421536

[jaunty hill]

tried the bleed build mentioned in the Pin out. In a 7 Rookery. Felt great. I missed Kingsbane tho tbh.

[spice surge]

Nah fuck kingsbane

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[spice spire]

Eleem so real

Holy

[void pecan]

button used to do damage, now it hits like wet spaghetti

[jaunty hill]

I mean, you are right. Bane is after it's Prime Era. But it was a button I got used to.

Rip KB

[hidden bay]

holyyyy giga flex

[warm vortex]

I know i've prolly posted this but

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dancing-rat-dancing-gif-24339527

Rat night

[thorny glade]

stupid questions, but what flask should a sin rogue be running?

[final star]

I be demising

[spice surge]

Any big ones

[hollow saddle]

Is there any point when vers actually becomes good on sin? picked this for sub, not sure i need to work on a assa cloak

[final star]

32.5M

[spice surge]

Decent decent

[final star]

Does feel like it just does the remaining health right

and not just a big large hit

[spice surge]

My PR is 36

[final star]

unless it just does the fat hit and slam

[spice surge]

Ye it did the 32m when the mob had 32m left

[final star]

nice

so bigger health mob more better

[spice surge]

Well you need your bleeds to be stong enough

If 66% of your bleed damage kills the mob it pops

[final star]

max pandemics

• big garrotes

plus big CT

surely

[dawn seal]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[royal lantern]

@final star i like how discord mobile swaps yout pfp bettwen every comment

[final star]

nice

good stuff discord

[royal lantern]

death taxes and bad discord updates

[wooden timber]

how crazy do u want to go with garrote if u are playing the bleed build

does it take priority over fok etc on tiny useless monsters

[final star]

no way it's crazy cowboy beebop

[wooden timber]

or do you just want enough garrotes on important monsters to stay above 150 energy instead of spreading them for damage

[final star]

Howdy

[final star]

buh

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bee-bruh-gif-4580763730124008555

[final star]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bee-bruh-gif-4580763730124008555

[fervent willow]

which would have highest priority in deathmark, pandemic refresh on rupture or evenom, there's no time to use both

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy stream]

Is there ever points where I should just hold onto my energy instead of mutilate>mutulate>env?

[balmy condor]

If you have to refresh rupture you refresh rupture

[final star]

rupture

but that should never happen

well not often

[balmy condor]

Couple seconds before a kingsbane

[final star]

whispyr did you see the bleed dammy

executer kpb

[wooden timber]

ty

[haughty flicker]

[viscid spear]

[final star]

[vital flicker]

alright hear me out, we drop caustic spatter for internal bleeding, we'd lose a ton of AoE and cleave damage but gain ST dps and it helps with eh GIGA demise

[buoyant herald]

For sudden demise, with the wording “damage you would do” does this include crit rate in those calcs or not?

[half tartan]

For a dungeon, is equal ilvl priory signet > house of cards? They sim very close together, but house of cards assumes remaining in combat for the 6 minute dungeon sim right? Which means its adding the increase value scaling per use? for assassin likely no kingsbane bleed build.

Any thoughts? Purely for dungeons(under assumption of not having perfectly optimized group that does not drop combat) not raid bosses.

I have 665 of both

[buoyant herald]

They’re pretty equal

[spice surge]

The scaling is pretty much irrelevant

(also you need to be out of combat for 15s or more to lose it)

[fresh kelp]

@balmy condor mr whospar do you have any idea what kind of gain you would see by pooling tea charges for mugzee execute

worth at all or?

[spice surge]

If youre stopping dps

Its absolutely worth

[fresh kelp]

Ye I def think it’s a good idea just wanted to see if there was some sort of number approximation since it is a bit annoying not using the macro

[balmy condor]

Probably like

1?

[fringe sierra]

ST for the bleed build feels really weak? Is anyone having that problem? The AOE is insane but everytime I get into a boss fight barely pulling a mil

[balmy condor]

It’s the strongest single target build we have for m+

[haughty flicker]

me playing raid build in m+ for st damage

get that fucking kingsbane emote away from my message

i will not be tainted

[proud pelican]

Best I can do is crimson tempest

[waxen oyster]

Under a mil means you're playing way wrong.

[balmy stream]

But....

Garrote rupture!

[waxen oyster]

Bleed you can end bosses 1.5m still just fine.

[void pecan]

^

[haughty flicker]

i got stuck in an infinite loading screen and now cant log in, huge

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna guess he’s doing the same thing as the other guy a day or two ago

Where he just straight up didn’t ambush

And never applied the mark

[haughty flicker]

???

[void pecan]

Same. I think instance servesr borked.

[waxen oyster]

whispyr new tech

wound poison only

[balmy condor]

Either that or instant poison I guess

[haughty flicker]

lethal poisons are unethical

so i just dont use any

[vital flicker]

why would you want to apply mark when you could just play fatebound

[balmy stream]

Alot of people are having issues recently like this, probably caused bythe ddos

[balmy condor]

Because you unironically do more overall damage playing deathstalker without a mark than you do with fatebound

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

Why do most ddos hits occur

during working hours

[haughty flicker]

is onlyfangs raiding again

[balmy stream]

If 3 am iw working hours

[haughty flicker]

[balmy stream]

I'd agree

[balmy condor]

Because ddos attack happen from dickless goblins that don’t see the sun and don’t have any fucking friends

[haughty flicker]

also its 6 pm here, dude got home from his 9-5 and decided to turn wow off

[balmy condor]

You think they have a job?

[balmy stream]

I mean

[haughty flicker]

i dont think at all

[balmy stream]

They ought to

Or they can't live

[solar wyvern]

another day another ddos

[proud pelican]

Ddossing is a full time job dude you can’t do that as a hobby it requires sacrifice

[balmy stream]

Otherwise the base of operations is your friends moms basement

[balmy condor]

Wait until you hear about homeless people

Gonna blow your mind

[vital flicker]

yeah, but think about all of the coins you can flip

[final star]

they usually lil nepo babies with fuckloads of cash to do it

[half tartan]

What's the downside for the bleed build, also should I go for 9 ruptures on opener if there are enough high hp targets?

[final star]

psure it takes a bit of money to ddos blizz servers

[balmy stream]

Impossible

[balmy condor]

Usually worse in low target cleave

[haughty flicker]

can probably ddos blizzard servers with two cans and some string at this point

[proud pelican]

I’ve never seen a ddosser and Elon in the same room…

[haughty flicker]

elons too busy getting trolled on poe2

[balmy stream]

The thought is that they'd need a job to supply the equipment to actually disrupt blizzars

[vast shuttle]

what poisons u use on m+?

[balmy stream]

I think it's amp, deadly?

[proud pelican]

I haven’t played sin since s1 is the single target build and rotation pretty much unchanged?

For raid

[flint star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-wINzrcgMM

The only assa guide you need guys

[balmy condor]

Tear ran down my leg

[warm vortex]

Whispyr

[magic thorn]

What is garrote even needed for lmao

[flint star]

I think it was not even correct

[warm vortex]

German video

Now

[balmy condor]

Insanely wrong

He exsanguinates his bleeds and then instantly overwrites them

[flint star]

Exsang on the target w/o Vendetta

[waxen oyster]

Still 10%

Also contributes to SD

[magic thorn]

Alone its 8.5%

[balmy condor]

IM BUSY

[warm vortex]

With what

[waxen oyster]

Although shouldnt spatter be higher than env

[warm vortex]

Job?

Responsibilities

[magic thorn]

Without sudden demise

[warm vortex]

Fair tbh

I just wanna hear the funny German words

Like

[balmy condor]

Bet you’ve never heard of those since you’re just a rat

[worthy fable]

Guys why is haste simming so high in raid compared to crit?

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-wheel-race-gif-11850721

[royal lantern]

wdym, he does fucking 40k dude

[warm vortex]

I make power for a living

This shit generates all the power in Tokyo

[balmy condor]

Good stat

[nova shadow]

guys how much you simming on the st

[coral ibex]

i really wish they'd do a stat squish

[worthy fable]

Is there no crit breakpoint you want?

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

do you have pacemaker

[waxen oyster]

2.3m

[coral ibex]

doing millions of dps is boring to me

[waxen oyster]

in st build

[worthy fable]

No i dont :c

[waxen oyster]

roughly

[worthy fable]

I have eye

[coral ibex]

i'd rather pog over a 1k gain being huge

[nova shadow]

No on bleed build

no buffs

only flask food

[magic thorn]

@balmy condor When you do the german please also use the German Spell Names

[worthy fable]

no i have eye of kezan

[magic thorn]

I want to hear you say Erdrosseln

[balmy condor]

That’s required yes

[worthy fable]

@balmy condor Is there any crit breakpoint we need?

[balmy condor]

No

!stats

[warm vortex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[warm vortex]

Beat you to it

[coral ibex]

how me get bleed role

me bleed

[haughty flicker]

you dont deserve it

[balmy condor]

Pins

[coral ibex]

[warm vortex]

If you do anyone does

Jk that was uncalled for

I’m sorry

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

me when

ty king

[worthy fable]

Ok so basically just trust the sim >.>

[warm vortex]

Always trust the sim sin

No the sin sim

I mean

FUCK OFF AUTOCORRECT

[nova shadow]

cinderbrew neck simming 30k dps increase for st

[worthy fable]

xD

[warm vortex]

Yea

[balmy condor]

Y’all ever think about how much of English is based on boats

[warm vortex]

Mfw good ST stats sim high in ST

[balmy condor]

“As the crow flies”

“Wherever the winds take you”

[warm vortex]

Bro thinks he is Shakespeare

[balmy condor]

Taken aback

[worthy fable]

Bro wdym how is that even related to boats

[magic thorn]

He has time to think about that but no time for video

Sad

[coral ibex]

shiver my timbers daddy

[balmy condor]

Something being a long shot

[haughty flicker]

me when the island nation has references to seafaring in its language

[nova shadow]

whispyr how much haste % you running

[balmy condor]

So little known knowledge, but boats have sails right

[warm vortex]

Someone get the Tom gif

[waxen oyster]

All these metrics dont matter

[warm vortex]

The Tom stats gif

[balmy condor]

No fucking clue

[golden loom]

30% cause im always lusting for blood

[coral ibex]

source?

[magic thorn]

to much haste

[nova shadow]

its drop crit to add haste for bleed st right

[warm vortex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[warm vortex]

Just sim

[waxen oyster]

topgear

easy game

[magic thorn]

every haste above 0% is percent lost for mastery 😄

[waxen oyster]

gg