assassination

[subtle tundra]

dont need to ask for kissing

[balmy condor]

idk I think they did but I closed tabs I ain't opening again

[subtle tundra]

yeah we kiss here

[halcyon grail]

THATS HOW YOU GET PREGNANT.

[real pike]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[subtle tundra]

i wish a woman got me pregnant ngl

[balmy condor]

by god we're gonna try

[halcyon grail]

practice makes perfect @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

varas has not been pregnant for far too long

[halcyon grail]

Speed running.

[grim jay]

you didnt meet your german gang for far too long

[balmy condor]

meat*

[plucky canopy]

When do we get a freezing Option for vault? Just as we get for that trade post

[hearty reef]

vers good bwothers

[plucky canopy]

And buyable leech/avoidance/speed for vault tokens

So much qol left

[humble verge]

man

another kms vault

this is another, i wanna leave the game scenario icl

[plucky canopy]

It's backbreaking isn't it?

[hearty reef]

brokeback

[strange tundra]

mountain

[balmy condor]

that ring is 30k dps for me

[jagged comet]

my sims are asking for more haste with bleed... is that right?

[subtle tundra]

i can show you my meat

[humble verge]

idk i havent simmed it yet, but maybe its good

[humble verge]

though i am using the cinderbrew ring

so id be losing like 4k mastery

sadge

[hearty reef]

ok how. my robot dislikes anything crit

[balmy condor]

haste mast neck

[hearty reef]

same

go on

[balmy condor]

die

[plucky canopy]

Signet user?

[balmy condor]

idk I have like 6k crit

[humble verge]

crit vers neck

🧌

[hearty reef]

cards

[humble verge]

wait 6k crit

how

[plucky canopy]

Mh

[humble verge]

i have like

15k

: D

[balmy condor]

okay so like when you equip items right

they have stats

[humble verge]

nah

they dont

[balmy condor]

and when you add up all the stats

[humble verge]

youre obviously

[hearty reef]

9k crit, still asking to drop crit

[humble verge]

lying to me rn

[balmy condor]

that my character has

[humble verge]

whisp

shutup

stop lying

man

im thinking about crafting a chest

or neck idk

[royal lantern]

ok, but why is my sim at 13% then

[balmy condor]

eat shit

[thorny lion]

@balmy condor do we play the new bleed build in raid also ?

[balmy condor]

is raid = m+

[pliant gazelle]

Would it be better (I guess very marginally) to dry shiv at 1 stack of deathstalker mark so the shiv fully profits from the lingering shadow ?

[lean plover]

14 rookery big demise, did 66M on 1st pull

[thorny lion]

pog

[balmy condor]

I mean

[grim jay]

idk how people even think about asking that question

[balmy condor]

discord doesn't allow for larger font

idk how much more obvious I can make it

[grim jay]

make it red?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/утюг-cat-est-utug-gif-15997868462494236323

[balmy condor]

can't have red and big letters afaik

[agile mason]

Anyone know if Kingsbane's "lethal poison" works with Deathmark?

[grim jay]

thats stoopid

[humble verge]

whisp have you watched meinkraft movie yet

[strange tundra]

#M+ BUILD

[humble verge]

🤨

[strange tundra]

Idk how u make it big

[balmy condor]

deathmark doesn't duplicate kingsbane

[agile mason]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

deathmark already duplicates poisons

so if it also duplicated kingsbane

that would be quadratic

and double dipping

and really nasty

and highly illegal

[cerulean walrus]

and unethical

[hearty reef]

weird way to spell fun

[agile mason]

Kingsbane duplicates?

[subtle tundra]

remember when they didnt let us take dtb and kb at the same time...

[balmy condor]

I....

nvm

[subtle tundra]

reading comprehension test

you fail

[agile mason]

Who remembers the 1000% bleed out of early Legion?

[strange tundra]

All I'm asking is for blizzard to give us 1 or 2 more vanishes, so like have 3 or 4 in total
Is that a lot to ask?

[ancient pendant]

guys, could you pls look what better to take: 678 dagger haste mastery or 678 legs
i thought about crafting shoulders 675
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cEPsaTYhGPdQ9JXbdtLpCK

[subtle tundra]

just make it not have a cooldown

[strange tundra]

I remember the 100% crit shoulders and one shotting people

[granite leaf]

How are you simming 3 minute slice?

[wary light]

Wait hold up, looking through logs now - are we actually moving from Sub to Assa on like every fight except Rik?

[strange tundra]

They would have to removve master assassin or make it shorter

[subtle tundra]

remember proc'ing poison bomb in MA window 🤤

[balmy condor]

he's not, he had it set to 3 min previously and then simmed dslice

[agile mason]

The tool tip says nothing of duplication

[balmy condor]

aight

I'll bite

[barren yarrow]

I leave for 2 seconds and there’s a whole ass new video @balmy condor

[subtle tundra]

good fish

[balmy condor]

does this say kingsbane

[agile mason]

Mightve been beta, or at least before the first major patch. It was nasty.

[granite leaf]

"Duplicated" is not "duplication"... technically

[strange tundra]

No it was during season

[blazing pumice]

kingsbane benefits from the increased poison applications

[balmy condor]

I explained that

[blazing pumice]

it isn't duplicated itself

that's why you cast them together

[strange tundra]

So with this new bleed build, CT should be our top damage and not Spatter?

[agile mason]

It says lethal poisons. No wonder theres confusion, I'm taking kings tool tip.

[strange tundra]

At the end of a dungeon

[blazing pumice]

by a fair bit yes

20% ct overall is normal

[granite leaf]

Also just so you know, you're not simming "latest"

[royal lantern]

lethal poisons means weapon poisons that do dmg, aka Deadly/Amplyfing

[balmy condor]

hope it helps

[strange tundra]

homie had to pull out the ms paint move

[granite leaf]

Imagine

[humble verge]

whispyr, the mentally enraged at chat - new nick

or old nick

[strange tundra]

old

[subtle tundra]

paint goat

[hearty reef]

i want graphical answers from here on out too

[balmy condor]

I'm just blown away

[subtle tundra]

you did forget to circle it with red

[strange tundra]

its the tiktok generation we need something to stimulate

not text

[blazing pumice]

discord is for boomers

[agile mason]

Kings says it inject a lethal poison, that's why I was asking. And I misinterpreted quadratic for quadrupled.

[balmy condor]

okay well I hate to bear yet more bad news but in this case the quadratic scaling would end up also being quadrupled

[grim jay]

it says it injects a lethal poison, not a Lethal Poison.

[strange tundra]

Anyone has that image of dungeons ranked easiest to hardest

[grim jay]

lethal poison is descriptive wording

Lethal Poison is a name

of the category

[subtle tundra]

fuck off

[golden loom]

Tooltips are shit

[grim jay]

its literally in the spell

unless I remember it wrong

it writes the descriptive wording as usual

and the Lethal Poison as a name

on the application part down below

[agile mason]

I was genuinely curious, trying to improve and had a thought. Sorry for asking.

[warm vortex]

I know what would make me get back into assa

[magic thorn]

@balmy condor were is the german video you promised 😄

[warm vortex]

Aside from knife stuff

[strange tundra]

u are not playing assa because of this?

[balmy condor]

that legendary would be a significant downgrade with current energy values

[balmy condor]

nothing would line up anymore

[wary light]

Hey guys I know people always say "assa doesn't care about your secondaries" but to what extent is this true? I'm like omega bis sub geared atm 17k mast, 14k vers, 9k crit, 1k haste - do I need to do some reshuffling of crafts and gear to get to nicer crit haste numbers or will it literally not matter?

(sorry if been asked)

[warm vortex]

But aoeeee

[strange tundra]

the only reason making me wanna reroll is the fact that we have too little vanishes

[warm vortex]

Energy being freeee

Dm agter DM

[subtle tundra]

it was quite cool with venthyr obedience and having the flag + vendetta line up

[balmy condor]

but deathmark doesn't do anything for aoe

[subtle tundra]

hey hey
we have damage AFTER it

[small mirage]

saw ur new vid mate, appreciate all the effort and time put into it, just a lil question though, is there a rotation list i can look up for the bleed build?

[barren yarrow]

Not really. You can play sin in sub gear for the most part.

[balmy condor]

it's the same

[wary light]

Aight, I guess I'll just recraft to ascension + darkness and then see what I can shuffle around.

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

not recorded yet

I cranked out the bleed update 30 min before raid lmao

[royal lantern]

the difference betten using a absolutely 100% minmaxed gearset for sub rogue on assa(which is not a ralistic thing, because gear doenst work that way) and using a 100% minmaxed set for assa on assa was like, 3% during DF

[barren yarrow]

Our main focus is mastery. As long as you have higher mastery you’re good.

Also what @royal lantern said

[wary light]

Thanks kind gamers - one more potentially annoying question then. If I'm shifting from sub to assa for myth raid, and I have a HC HoC right now for sub equipped and a myth track Signet in vault - is myth signet better than the HoC or do I just rip a socket?

[barren yarrow]

I’d stick with HoC unless sims say otherwise.

[royal lantern]

mach mal

wir brauchen ein video was uns erklärt wie man Plötzliches Ende minimalmaximiren kann mit dem Bluttungs Bau

[golden loom]

You deffo take signet

[barren yarrow]

if you like 2 min CD lining up go signet.

[golden loom]

Taking a socket over signet would be a warcrime

[barren yarrow]

Ohh myth signet?! Yeah go that

[royal lantern]

HoC and priory are equal on equal ilvl for assa

so if you have 1 of mythic, its better then the other one

[wary light]

Yeah it's heroic house of cards (currently equipped) and myth signet in vault

[amber brook]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wary light]

Aight ty gamers

[heady drum]

trying bleed build first time in priory10

p fun

[brisk forge]

Even more fun in higher keys

[balmy condor]

that's a lot of caustic spatter damage

[tall atlas]

cute poloshirt

[cursive smelt]

I'm a little lost, what will you have? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

DONJONS

Idk the ring on the right is okay, the bracers in your m+ row are okay too

Amplifier in your delve tab can be good if you have nothing else

[tawny rapids]

Can you run double focus lens?

[balmy condor]

I’d ignore the raid row entirely

[cursive smelt]

The amplifier is good for push mm+ right?

[balmy condor]

You can, it kinda sucks, but all embellishments suck so who cares

[balmy condor]

Idk if id say its good for push, but its okay

It’s hero track, you’ll replace it

What sims highest

[cursive smelt]

currently I have the valve trinket* open but in 665

[subtle tundra]

🤨

valve like steam

[balmy condor]

Floodgate okay

So that’s not gonna work

[subtle tundra]

seaforium?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Valve like water, floodgate

Trinket in there is seaforium

Idk id probably take the ring I guess

[normal kindle]

eye or glove for tier set catalysed?

[cursive smelt]

@normal kindle eye is good just for raid in mm+ is useless )

[bitter briar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[kindred breach]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sharp viper]

is that a weakaura/addon displaying the ilvl stuff/tracks on the left?

[night vessel]

Does the new bleed build need an apl update for the sims?

[spice surge]

It is updated

Just make sure to use latest, not nightly or weekly

[sonic schooner]

Eleem you got mentionned at least 3 times by whispyr in his vidéo. Go claim your royalties and ride on YouTube monney

Be the mrbeast of rogue

[spice surge]

Im just .feat on whispyrs album

[plucky canopy]

Oh didn't now there is a new version with "latest"👀😂

New for me btw, not sure how long latest is a thing for raidbots 😂

[sonic schooner]

At least since sl

[plucky canopy]

Oh lol

[sonic schooner]

[strange tundra]

What embellishments for M+? I see now people use elemental focusing lense instead of ascendance?

[sonic schooner]

Its for multi spec

And embellish are within 0.01%

So use the name you prefered

[spice surge]

It practically doesnt matter, embellishments are close to worthless anyway

[strange tundra]

what about weapon enchants, it used to be depths but now its radiant power?

[spice surge]

Depths st

[sturdy wasp]

Hi guys maybe is a stupid question… but on Rik myth u stay always on the boss o switch on pyrotechnics? I m so confused on what to do…

[tawny rapids]

thanks bro what are the best two to pick for assa?

[spice surge]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[sonic schooner]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[sonic schooner]

Rofl eleem

[red schooner]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[pliant remnant]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[sturdy wasp]

Ty❤️

[sonic schooner]

Not considering outlaw for rik is so based

[spice surge]

If only bleed was playable in raid, then we could have demise and actually do decent damage to them

[balmy condor]

Ascendance+writhing band

[sonic schooner]

Demisemaxxin barrels

[cedar flicker]

Swap to sub

[balmy condor]

Outlaw has similar issues

And no burst

Realistically sub is the only rogue spec that can actually carry a respectable amount of barrel damage

[sonic schooner]

Yea sub only niche and it s kinda good at it

Barrels and premium bombs are my only reasons to be

[sturdy wasp]

No gear for sub 😅

[balmy condor]

You have assa gear?

[sonic schooner]

As long as you dont have 40% haste

You can sub

[balmy condor]

If you have 2 daggers you can sub

[sturdy wasp]

No more versa… a lot of mastery and crit

[spice surge]

Whispyr i have some unholy concoction cooking rn on my raidbots. My dumb idea doesnt seem to be awful, just need to find a way to make it good too

[sonic schooner]

Ohno eleem

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[sonic schooner]

What s in your pan ?

[sturdy wasp]

Maybe im stupid? 😅

[spice surge]

To cleanse this spec of all the green talents

[sturdy wasp]

But i need mastery vers for sub?

[rotund oak]

the finals exams i just aced for my proffessional driving lisence C

[golden loom]

are we cooking internal bleeding?

[balmy condor]

You need 2 daggers and item level mate

[red schooner]

Internal bleeding time lets go

[sonic schooner]

Eleem about to get rid of caustic in dslice

[balmy condor]

As long as it isn’t insane amounts of haste it’ll be fine

[sonic schooner]

Going fb and unbinding envenom

Real cook

[rotund oak]

vers is the dirty sub dream u wanna work for but ye

mast vers

[barren yarrow]

Just sim what ever is higher but definitely get your myth signet

[arctic socket]

what the new stat weights for combat, we still stacking weapon mastery?

[strange tundra]

authority of radiant power sims higher in dungeon slice than authority of deapths

so i guess i choose radiant power

[sturdy wasp]

Never try to change spec… i think stats have some prio…

[rotund oak]

for what

[balmy condor]

That makes sense considering authority of power is for aoe and dslice is aoe

[balmy condor]

Secondaries don’t matter all that much for most specs

[golden loom]

Just keep getting more hit % gear cause crit cap issues suck!

[arctic socket]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Sub doesn’t like haste, outlaw doesn’t like mastery

Other than that kinda whatever

[rotund oak]

we dont like outlaw either

🤝

[sturdy wasp]

Ty boss

[arctic socket]

We are specist here

[rotund oak]

baiscly its a spec that feels bad rn thats why i dont like it

used to be a pirate

[cursive smelt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dKvcmMEHXj1D5W7jiRd2pS @balmy condor This is what it gives

[balmy condor]

Look at me go

I said take ring

[magic fossil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tWix8md4oUwnuarYVwcVt2 bleed finally over throne meta/hybrid for me! THATS A COOL DAY!

[balmy condor]

Ring +0.3% to the next alternative

I’m basically raidbots

[royal lantern]

John Raidbots AND John WoWhead??

[nova aspen]

[amber brook]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[zinc creek]

ive been testing fatebound build with totally different talent than recommended and its pumping way more than ds

[sonic schooner]

Whispyr the New raidbot?

[red schooner]

Cease your testing if fatebound ismeta I don't wanna know

[kindred breach]

New build hits like a fkn truck in aoe

[red schooner]

Just let me not coin flip

[sonic schooner]

I ve à 5x 16m iteration to send u

[analog field]

Guys how exactly is sudden demise working ? I am not doing too much dmg with it. In a flood12 i had like 6% dmg with SD total was 3.7m dps

[zinc creek]

yeah i mean the current theorycrafting on fatebound i belive is way off

[sonic schooner]

6% isnt bad bad

[zinc creek]

its like 10% ahead for me when i play

[strange tundra]

how are defensives on outlaw and sub compared to assa?

[analog field]

Yeah i agree on that, but i feel like i am not using its full potential. With the rest of the spec i feel like i am doing good, but with SD i don't know. On every tick of every bleed it checks the mobs health ? and if it is below it dies?

[kindred breach]

exactly the same ones. U just play way more vers = more tanky

[subtle tundra]

you dont care to minmax it

[strange tundra]

so i guess sub crazy tanky

[spice surge]

Nah assa is noticeably squishier than the others

They have 2 extra defensive talents

[strange tundra]

still the defensives we have are crazy

i think at least

[kindred breach]

oh yeah mb u right

[sonic schooner]

Dont forget sd real strenghs are bleed damage

[kindred breach]

but yeah its tanky af

[sonic schooner]

Execute is the cherry on the top

[analog field]

yeah CT did like 1.3B which sounds nice

[strange tundra]

tried the new build on a quick +10

this is the old

[sonic schooner]

Oh you re not playing bleed build

Then

[subtle tundra]

he is?

[sonic schooner]

Oh

Yea

[astral oxide]

The upper one is bleed, no?

[sonic schooner]

First screenshot

[subtle tundra]

spatter is still insanely strong

[strange tundra]

spatter is op

[analog field]

my caustic and sanguine are around the same is it normal ?

[sonic schooner]

In 15 16 i ve spatter below rupture garr

[strange tundra]

i guess depends on dungeon

[midnight mist]

Well assa still get ds evasion tho

[sonic schooner]

But that s pack living longer and reapplying bleed 2 or 3 times

[sonic schooner]

Yea and running like 7% vers

[midnight mist]

And outlaw can't play elusiveness anymore

[strange tundra]

we need more vanish

[sonic schooner]

Overlooking ic

It s good

But u can still reapply manually 1 by 1

[strange tundra]

yea just the garrote sucks

[kind forge]

Press one every 6 seconds

[strange tundra]

[kind forge]

[indigo epoch]

S1 it was troll not to run iron wire in m+, now hardly anyone does, what changed?

(Been away from rogue)

[strange tundra]

the kicks arent that deadly i guess

[spice surge]

High keys didnt run iron wire last season either

Besides for grimbatol

[indigo epoch]

Ah ok

[spice surge]

But they changed some talents mid last season that made it so you lost more damage taking iron wire than you did before

[indigo epoch]

Also most of the aggregate sites still not showing bleed build for most higher keys? Most sticking with hybrid above 13s?

[subtle kiln]

most people aren’t in discord seeing the build changes

[amber brook]

Does the Updated WA also include conditionals for Foking?

suddenly seeing CTW in ST

[cursive island]

Does atrophic poison actually stack or did they fix unfix fix that again? For raid with multiple rogues

[uneven aspen]

how does the gaol shadowstep work? like what would be the timing?

[fallen orbit]

guys what do you use for ST raid build you go echoing repimand or forced induction ?

[spice surge]

FI

[fallen orbit]

i was using Forced but i was thinking iff the Echo ist better

[glacial relic]

Hybrid works, bleed works. Believe in sims or try them both see which you like. Take a look at this if you wanna see how the bleed works https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PbMA32rHnyKV7NvG?fight=1&type=damage-done

[warm vortex]

Oh sanguine blades finally isn't fully dead in ST m+ now pog

Idk how pooling above 50% feels tho
Proll simmilar anyway

[gilded stump]

Hi all, Qq-whats the best setting to use when simming purely for mythic+ content?
Is it patchwerk, 5 bosses and 5 minutes?

[normal mist]

Dslice

[gilded stump]

Hhmm I thought dungeon slice is only for outlaw?

[sly jacinth]

The timing for grips and rescues is roughly 0.3s left on the cast so I suspect it’s that or tighter. I ended up going velf

[subtle tundra]

the timing is 0
you need void elf

[cedar iron]

everything thats instnat doesnt work

[normal mist]

Negative

[uneven aspen]

aight tyty <3

[cedar iron]

how does ma compare to light weight shiv for bleed? id assume ma is better in lower keys and big aoe but shiv wins on st? kinda hard to sim

[scarlet orbit]

What build are you playing? Most bleed builds skill light weight shiv AND ma

[cedar iron]

blindside>lightweight shiv

[scarlet orbit]

ah i think you mean not lightweight shiv you mean that one perhabs?

[cedar iron]

yeah i might have confused the name

[scarlet orbit]

since the buffs to ambush we dont really take that one in aoe builds anymore and you cannt just drop ma to get it

[cedar iron]

kieron confused me

[final star]

I would never do that

He confused himself

I was talking perfect sense

[scarlet orbit]

Your sure did

[tidal sorrel]

guys is a myth pacemaker better than a hero eye of kezan, second trinket slot is house of cards, ive been simming but difference seems marginal and dont know if im doing it right

[autumn frost]

are you simming against max level pacemaker?

[tidal sorrel]

tried both at same level and both at their max level

[scarlet orbit]

In what content? In some m+ dungeons keeping stacks up for eye is a pain and sometimes not possible so peacemaker is alot better there

[tidal sorrel]

m+ 10s and heroic raiding, mythic maybe a coubple boosses, but i doubt i will be pushing mythic raid much

[golden loom]

For heroic raid you would probably always use pacemaker

[tidal sorrel]

here is a report: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3TY3cVYA3XCEQJVZQphX1G

[golden loom]

Hectic add cleave

[tight sparrow]

Is the Bleed Build now better then the Hybrid build? In the Wowhead guide its says Hybrid ist better in higher keys. At which is Key consinderd high?

[autumn frost]

do patchwork or dungeonslice...

[tidal sorrel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jXGMZTAM5sKXRjp4pnREfE

[autumn frost]

your spec is m+

you'd want to use dungeonslice for that one

unless you swap talents to your raid talents

[tidal sorrel]

youre right, my bad

[dapper cradle]

Hiya guys! We’re back with more bleed build stuff

[spice spire]

[dapper cradle]

Good morning my liege

[spice spire]

GM bbgirl

[hardy crypt]

what's the fastest way to get the second half spark?

i wanna speedrun crafting the neck but ive done three weeklies and its still not here ;-;

[sharp viper]

do the 3 delves weekly

juust speed through 3 tier 1 delves (can be the same one over and over again)

[hardy crypt]

oki, thanks ^^

[harsh ravine]

does any of you have a weakaura that indicates when I can meld + stealth and when I can't ?
for M+ I never know if it works or not

is it based on stealthdetect monsters ?

[spice spire]

It’s a bit buggy but general rule is bosses you cannot meld + stealth.
True sight should still be meldable if you’re fast enough

[harsh ravine]

yes it oftenly happens that I just meld stealth, I am stealthed for 0.1 sec and get the bonus but can't stay stealthed

[safe swift]

for opener with bleed build do we open with envenom and then aply bleeds or first bleeds and then an evenom ?

if we got 2 stacks avbailable

[harsh ravine]

that general rule sometimes doesn't work on packs, I don't know why

[spice spire]

Oh yeah it’s a little weird, you don’t want to open with it, it’s more if it’s pulled around. tS will still see you

It’s a bit buggy from my experience

[harsh ravine]

I don't open with it, it's more to redot when the pack last too long

okok well if it's bugged then I will never be sure

[spice spire]

Ye should work sometimes it doesn’t and it sucks

This is why my main isn’t a NE, because I’d get too frustrated

[spice spire]

2 stacks of deathstalker mark?

[safe swift]

shiv if we have 2 shivs ready do you open an aoe pull with shiv first then bleeds (ruptures) or first the bleeds and then an shiv

i mistyped lol

[hollow wren]

This is the current bleed build right?

[spice spire]

Set up your bleeds / scent stacks, CT then you can envenom. Pending pack size you may envenom for dn first, but seems unlikely. You send shivs once bleeds are up

[drifting cedar]

!wa

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[spice spire]

Looks right, there’s a few flex spots but that overall looks correct at a base level

[hollow wren]

Which flex spots? How does my rotation differ from standard hybrid build?

Do I shiv more often on packs?

[harsh ravine]

you need to have mutilate here as well

[hollow wren]

Can I take out iron wire?

[spice spire]

This is all in the pins.
Tl;dr. Lightweight shiv, sbs and Doomblade, IW are all flex and can be sent different ways.

Rotation difference is mainly in st you’ll maintain CT and shiv with AP while all bleeds are up

[hollow wren]

For Vicious Venoms or smth else?

[spice spire]

VV is bad do not go VV

In m+

[hollow wren]

So what Master Assassin then?

Or just keep Iron Wire?

[spice spire]

KB, MA, TTb are all decent

[mighty karma]

In higher keys is it advised to get mouse over macros for garrotes and ruptures? Im just learning a spec and im quite confused when to use vanish on packs and when to not to

[cedar flicker]

pin do not use momentum of despair

[cursive smelt]

I tried the bleed build it's crazy 4M+ overall

[gusty mirage]

Mouseovers can get giga messy esp in really big pulls and multidotting doesn’t really matter anymore because rupture does fuck all for damage now

You use it as a way to flood energy and for 5 stacks of scent of blood

[sage spoke]

If your on a boss and it goes into intermission like Stix and it happens just as KB comes up do we just hold it for DM? Instead of sending it and throwing off the 2m lineup

[gusty mirage]

Also indiscriminate carnage has smart targeting

[spice surge]

Nah with bleed build rupture does damage agian

[gusty mirage]

So you can be lazy and just garrote and rupture the same target

[gusty mirage]

Still nowhere it used to, I play the bleed build now

It still sucks lmao

[gusty mirage]

So tldr I would just spread bleeds without a mouse over because it can get super annoying. I put together a mouse over conditional macro for someone last week I can try to find it so you can have the best of both worlds. It’ll just cast on your target and you can like shift + bind for mouse over

[spice surge]

It could be higher but its just mid now, with the hybrid build its genuinely bad

CT is the real powerhouse though

[gusty mirage]

CT doing a lot of the heavy lifting these days

Idk if I like this version of assa in m+ vs the bfa days

I know whispyr hated echoing blades

And the application of CT doing damage lol

[hollow wren]

Is there a way to talent both TTb and Blindside?

[little tulip]

hey if you're pugging bleed build what classes would you grab?

[spice spire]

Whatever classes show

[red schooner]

If I'm pugging keys it's whichever groups take me

[little tulip]

idk what classes do the prio damage 🤓

[red schooner]

I can't be picky

[gusty mirage]

Monk if you can

Which shouldn’t be hard these days

[wary light]

Mage

[little tulip]

got a fury and a ww

[red schooner]

Just get 3 bleed rogues and compete for sudden demise damage

To the winner goes the demise

[little tulip]

for a 12 cinder lets find out

[radiant raven]

three rogue key imo

[gusty mirage]

If I do this can I get sudden demised irl?

[radiant raven]

Sub for boss damage. Assa for add damage. Outlaw is there too.

[red schooner]

Outlaw is there to make the other two rogues feel better, because they're not playing outlaw

Moral support rogue

[thick juniper]

lol

[radiant raven]

i keep applying to groups with a rogue in them but they never invite me

[red schooner]

Ye sure why not

[spice spire]

Ty @ember mural

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-morty-you-son-of-a-bitch-im-in-animated-series-gif-17733141

[gusty mirage]

Did they ever fix the atrophic stacking bug?

[radiant raven]

[vagrant lagoon]

for raid is vanish only used if u wanna swap deathstalker target

[red schooner]

Ye pretty much

[vagrant lagoon]

ok tyvm

[red schooner]

I can't think of there's a boss with a root break that vanish may be useful on

I'm sleepy as fuck

[gusty mirage]

Sleepy and cute

[red schooner]

What even are mechanics

[gusty mirage]

How about them apples

[vagrant lagoon]

sad its a dead spell

[gusty mirage]

They should just give us the OG vanish shield conduit from shadowlands caked in by default instead of the sad version sub got in their tree

@spice surge

At least then vanish can be used defensively in raid

Instead of a way to proc subterfuge and get free ambushes/shadowstrikes

“Free”

[little tulip]

ye the healer was badge

but ye okay

still fat but scared of getting to 35%

[gusty mirage]

Early in the week post reset keys are the best

[little tulip]

i tried a 12 floodgate earlier and didn't know 4 target and also idk

ye fury warrior might be juiced

[royal lantern]

im gonna be honest

CT will probs take a hit soon

idk why they BUFFED it in the first place lol

[red schooner]

If blizz kills bleed build I'm gonna be so sad

Legit enjoying m+ for once

[strange tundra]

Does it matter where u craft the embellishments?

[royal lantern]

no

[iron vapor]

Bleed build isn't even broken, it keeps up with other classes but that's it

[royal lantern]

weapon+whatever slot you have avaible

went belt cus i got a mythic wrist from rikk

[royal lantern]

its more like

CT is just WAY to strong lol

way too much power is in that single ability

it was allready to strong, and for some forsaken reason they buffed it further, which is a bit weird

[raven vapor]

Is vanish best used in aoe at sub 50% to reapply bleeds for execute with shiv rather than during the opener to buff deathmark with this bleed build?

[coral ibex]

well deathmark literally doubles your damage sources vs execute being a 30% increase

so just off the rip that seems wrong

[zenith elm]

yes but its only on one target

so the question is legit

[fleet pagoda]

the real question is the context for trash or boss damage?

[kind forge]

Sure if they nerf starfall

[gusty mirage]

Cause it was kinda ass let’s be real

But they over buffed it

[spice surge]

They dont use starfall on ST though

[royal lantern]

what the fuck is that comparison

what do you guys smoke sometimes

[gusty mirage]

Imagine yelling at the man for asking for a boomkin nerf

How dare you guys

[royal lantern]

i mean, boomkin nerfs are always based

[gusty mirage]

I thought we were all on the same team here

[royal lantern]

but why bring up starfall

just fuck them cus they are boomkins

dont need a reason

[kind forge]

Yo relax

[raven vapor]

in aoe trash

[zenith elm]

I play with boomkins a lot

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-fuckem-chappelle-funny-gif-12869784501433011509

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1359525130266476595/1.png?ex=67f7cbf1&is=67f67a71&hm=a8d2bd876484d217523811f04d144f6d16eccaf4caef8102fe3c0c8b3a0aadbb&

kinda mid vault

hm

[zenith elm]

never once have they bested me in AOE, and in ST they do a little bit

so i destroy them at overall, and i like that

[kind forge]

Deserved for that temper tantrum

[gusty mirage]

Damn you got the belt that describes my life

Shattered dreams

[gusty mirage]

Also fuck tettles

Just sayin

[kind forge]

Fair

[kind forge]

Or me

[coral ibex]

did he take your girl or something

[zenith elm]

Hello all

i love you

You are worthy of love, be proud of yourselves

[normal mist]

I know, thanks for the reminder

[zenith elm]

As rogues, sometimes a bit of kindness can help our bleeding hearts

[normal mist]

This server is filled with love

[strange tundra]

[coral ibex]

and feet

[normal mist]

Especially here, in the off topic

[coral ibex]

[gusty mirage]

Yes he stole Dr. Atnos from me

[golden loom]

Dratnos the goat

[coral ibex]

wow

you should write a callout post on x the everything app

[gusty mirage]

True

I should start twitter drama with him

[coral ibex]

do they call them twitlongers now

is it an xlonger

a ZLONGER

[gusty mirage]

He probably has zero idea who I am on top of that

[normal mist]

I know who you are

[coral ibex]

idk dr. atnos is a well rounded gentleman

[normal mist]

You're awesome

[coral ibex]

he may know

[kind forge]

Just to name a ability with much power in it nothing particular
More some cheesy yapping than the most serious demand

Please forgive me

[gusty mirage]

Thanks babe

[golden loom]

based

[normal mist]

I got you

[gusty mirage]

Imma fly to Portugal and give you a kiss

[normal mist]

Fuck YEAH

[royal lantern]

i forgive you because its negative about boomkins

fuck boomkins

boomkin hate unites the people

[gusty mirage]

Can you adopt me so I can stop living in the United States?

[kind forge]

Thanks darling

[normal mist]

I mean you could be my second son

[fleet pagoda]

it's perfect lol

[gusty mirage]

Done

I don’t care what the other requirements are I’m signing now

[normal mist]

Fuck yeah gonna tell Andy we gonna adopt a grown man but he's based so it's fine

[zenith elm]

Belgium > Portugal

based fact

[normal mist]

B does comes first than P

[gusty mirage]

I can sneak around Europe dw

Go to Belgium and have the real fries

[zenith elm]

Yes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-frenchfries-gif-22294046

[zenith elm]

dont go to france

[gusty mirage]

Tbh Belgium wins because fries are the best foods ever

[normal mist]

You'll have pastel de nata in PT

[zenith elm]

france is like poopoo peepee

[royal lantern]

dadsen in in france

and flower aswell

[gusty mirage]

I self banned myself from France after I got into a fight with the security in Charles de Gaulle

[zenith elm]

Nice

[normal mist]

Nice

[royal lantern]

what

[gusty mirage]

Belgium is close enough for dadsen to come visit me

[zenith elm]

I live near a good

wait

[kind forge]

I can only offer weird german things

[zenith elm]

idk how you call that in english

[kind forge]

Unforch

[zenith elm]

friterie ? idk

[runic terrace]

With the new bleed build: Do we still FoK in ST to use the Clear the Witnesses proc?

[normal mist]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[zenith elm]

its a french fries only restaurant

[zenith elm]

no

[gusty mirage]

Yeah they magically pretended to not speak English when I started the interaction explaining to them I don’t speak French. Then magically they learned English halfway through the “random search” when I started moaning when they checked the inside of my waistband

[coral ibex]

ok grom https://clips.twitch.tv/ColorfulCuteKeyboardOSsloth-c1jrBiFcA53dV5sa?tt_content=url&tt_medium=clips_api

[golden loom]

incredible clip

[coral ibex]

so uh... anyway

[gusty mirage]

When I looked at everyone else who got “randomly searched” we seemed to have a common theme among us

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[normal mist]

Another portuguese

Based

[coral ibex]

the portugeezer

himself

[zenith elm]

I mean

it happens

sorry guys

[gusty mirage]

Mfer had an mp5 and was screaming at me in French

I was so confused lmao

[zenith elm]

But we got french fries

[royal lantern]

that is the most french thing possible tbh

refusing to speak english even thought they can

and PRAY you dont know a few words french yourself, if you slightly pronounce 1 word wrong, you will get stared into the ground

[zenith elm]

which i will now always call belgian fries

[gusty mirage]

I was like how are you making American customs seem nice rn

wtf

[normal mist]

Shouldn't they be Belgium fries?

[digital spindle]

In AoE is it worth it to consume ambush proc outside of needing to reapply spatter or just FoK assuming conditions for it are met?

[zenith elm]

cause i'm extremely racist torward france

[zenith elm]

@normal mist

[normal mist]

I am typing on the phone

[zenith elm]

They should be

[gusty mirage]

The Belgians invented my favorite food

[normal mist]

I saw it as I pressed send

[gusty mirage]

Love them all universally for that

[zenith elm]

i'll always hate the french for that

Like, a hatred so dark its pitch black

[zenith elm]

We also have good beer and cheese

[gusty mirage]

And chocolate

[zenith elm]

true

[gusty mirage]

Belgian chocolate is giga underrated

[zenith elm]

yeah, it is good

[gusty mirage]

And they fought off the nazis better than the rest of Western Europe

Common Belgian W tbh

[zenith elm]

Guylians is like

amazing

If you come to Belgium, go near the sea, they have the best Guylians ever

And we also have waffles

Fricking love good waffles

[strange tundra]

Why the old build does 3.3M dps and the new one only 2.7M in raidbots

[ornate igloo]

With the bleed build, if we don't pick up Momentum of Despair, we now only fok for combo points with 4 targets?

[frigid thunder]

I think it leans more into bigger sudden demise and sudden demise doesn't really sim right

[strange sleet]

Guys I just read about the new corrupted helm enchants. Does any1 know if the "Gushing Wound" counts towards Lethal Dose?

[strange tundra]

I simmed hectic add cleave with 1 boss

For M+

[golden loom]

well why are we simming that

just sim dungeon slice

[strange tundra]

Ok i try it now

[frigid thunder]

Question about the pinned WAs, I use what I care about from the Luxthos pack but I don't think it has a Scent of Blood element or a good Rupture Tracker? If Follow the Blood is in play I may want something like that, do any of the other macro pinned ones have something like that anyone likes?

[strange tundra]

@golden loom both builds simmed the same with the bleed build having 26k more dps

[little tulip]

mm bleeds

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwnTMXlRzM5a6fDzxjE-uKiJ8boyGec7Ru6w&s

idk getting through floodgate 1st is def more hybrid oriented imo

[strange tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5eDgWytReFoBXuBa4okKtj

[little tulip]

or just having good prio guy to make up

[spice surge]

Why would it be

Hybrid doesnt have noticeably higher prio

[little tulip]

from the yap today 4target is weaker

[spice surge]

In sims ye

[little tulip]

apparently idk im just a pug guy

[spice surge]

Thats without accounting for sudden demise

[little tulip]

ye well got another 12 flood so its mystery

time

overall was 3.26m so ye

[iron vapor]

Just watched the new vid on bleed build - sudden demise, I've been treating it as a 'sometimes happens, nice when it does' kind of thing. Should I be deliberately playing into it? Should I be deliberately refreshing CT/rupture/garotte at low % to proc it?

Seems like I should

[prime hull]

A cheeky crimson tempest early refresh if the pack is quite low is almost always worth it with like <half the duration of CT remaining.

Ruptures? More situational.

[gusty mirage]

Only time I bother playing into it is if there’s problematic mobs that need to die and the tank was just like FUCK IT WE BALL

So I’ll refresh to make sure they explode

But I suck so take that with a grain of salt

[iron vapor]

Always happy to take advice from my peers

[gusty mirage]

Brother I’m more washed than a laundry mat

I haven’t done relevant content since amirdrassil

[frigid thunder]

If you are lower energy when a pack is dying to it is nice feeling often to tag a low % mob with a fresh rupture for a big energy boost from the venomous wounds death proc before next pack, situationally.

[iron vapor]

One day I'll be washed, but have to be good first!

[frank trench]

I can’t figure out why my mouse over rupture macro works on some mobs but not others :/

God I hate mouseover damage casting

[balmy dome]

!wa

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[gusty mirage]

My greatest wow accomplishment is being right behind @earnest remnant in prog

[earnest remnant]

my greatest one is getting to know you

[gusty mirage]

I think we killed Tindral and Fyrakk like a few weeks after Colour did, and they’re absolute gamers

[gusty mirage]

We intes fyrakk tho

Still snuck in to top 200

[subtle tundra]

you seem like a cute couple

[subtle tundra]

hows gally

sub loser...

sorry for being based

[earnest remnant]

considering i did 4 pulls

i dont know?

[subtle tundra]

whaaaaaaat

you killed mugzee early

[earnest remnant]

we stop at 23

so

no

we did not

[subtle tundra]

ok

[royal lantern]

!wa

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[sonic schooner]

stealthi in assa channel now

⏯️

[subtle tundra]

i closed your stream after you killed it

[earnest remnant]

we raid from 20-23

[subtle tundra]

hate watching is only fun when they are close to killing a boss

not when progging

seeing losers wipe to shit youve done feels great!

[little tulip]

i take it back

bleed hot

[spice spire]

Fruity af

[drifting cloud]

yes and?

[fallow canopy]

Mf is jealous

[spice spire]

Yeah and?

[little tulip]

mmm maybe someone was focusing boss last 12

idk week 5 qwop events

bricked it on 3rd boss charge got someone

[fallow canopy]

Fair enough, can't blame you

[lean plover]

rookery 15 1st pull

wtf

[sonic schooner]

[wooden star]

Yeah sudden demise can pop if everyone blows CD and they die with all your empowered bleeds still rolling

[lean plover]

ye

dev evoker with pi

dev evoker+unholy dk may be some stupid comp for demisemaxxing

[blazing kayak]

are rogues playing a new build now in higher keys?

[little tulip]

i mean i did deathmark first boss floodgate and spread dots til dn proc came up and swapped this time too

[prime hull]

Are people running iron wire with the new bleed build or no? Seems like a big damage loss to use it

[little tulip]

drop lightweight shiv unless u don't need sbs

[blazing kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSGGUnX_JAE

[little tulip]

there's a new yap video

[spice spire]

Pins

[strange sleet]

Yeah prio dmg with bleed is insane. Muscle in cinderbrew died almost first

[brazen sluice]

yo in bleed build do we use shiv on cd after bleeds? or on cd and before and after DM ?

[analog field]

Guys i was doing LFR and in 2 fights i started iwthout ambush and then twice vanished to apply and i didn't

Like i pressed vanish and ambush and i didn't get mark

2 times on mugzee and 2 on gally

[coral ibex]

you got parried

[spice spire]

CD after

[coral ibex]

unlucky

or you didn't actually ambush

[brazen sluice]

what do u mean by cd after

[coral ibex]

or you got knocked out of stealth

[analog field]

lol like 4 times, it destroyed my parses

[coral ibex]

yea that sucks

[spice spire]

Use on cd - after bleeds

[analog field]

yeah i don't think that happened

[coral ibex]

well i mean

[analog field]

probably parry

[coral ibex]

either your ambush got parried every time or you were stealthed

[analog field]

can i check logs?

[spice spire]

Really dumb question

[coral ibex]

i think so

[spice spire]

But you’re not muting there right

If you have logs

Yeah you can

[little tulip]

ye rik reverb parried my kingsbane today now that you mention it

they do that

[coral ibex]

parry is thematic

[brazen sluice]

ty

[little tulip]

man no more going in mugzee jail for me wee hee

only blast

[spice spire]

Mugzee gaol *

[red schooner]

time to see what the robot says

I'm leaning towards gloves but I already have myth track gloves in my bags

Just waiting on the cata

[little tulip]

signet simmed higher in dungeon slice so i took that but i kinda wish i had gotten myth bis chest

it's crazy how good house of cards is even at champ level ;-;

[ember mural]

Wtf

[blazing kayak]

is it still okay to macro tea and shiv with this new double shiv spec

or na

[spice surge]

yep still fine

[median scroll]

So i just ran a sim to see what to craft and stiletto is simming more than stabber for my offhand. I seem to remember whispyr saying dont take stiletto though. should i just make another stabber?

[coral ibex]

you should not craft an offhand ever

[wise whale]

Offhand is piss

[hallow imp]

Hello! if i wanna go full on the bleed build as assa, what stat are best then?

[wise whale]

And that particular one takes an embellishment spot

[wise whale]

Sim yourself tldr crit/mast

[median scroll]

ok noted thank you guys

[hallow imp]

@wise whale i hate that sim youself.. just need a prio to follow XD

[wise whale]

I gave you one. Crit/mastery

[hallow imp]

and what emb are best? 🙂

[wise whale]

Literally anything works, but if you only do keys double thread

[hallow imp]

thanks

[wise whale]

o7

[high berry]

Do you guys use house of cards on cooldown or do you wait 30 seconds for Deathmark ?

[wise whale]

Wait always

[coral ibex]

i think the sim is still using the mega magnet in weird ways

im pretty sure it is pressing it more than once per LD

[inner crypt]

Hi, if someone can help me,
any haste cap with the assa? (single)
We are 5/8 MM,
Would know if i need any haste cap or i can check it anywhere, due to chest items,
ty!

[coral ibex]

no

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[coral ibex]

7.8 uses in 5 mins is definitely more than once per LD

[wise whale]

Yeah there should be 3 LDs per 5 min

Hm

[peak lake]

Why not u have 30 sec of LD and 20 sec of cd

doesnt matter

if u press once or 2 since u dont get to 30 stack

u can wait if there is some adds spawn

[frank trench]

When you are in like. 11 or 12 m+ do you death mark a group of like 4 or would you hold it for a bigger pack

Feels like holding I hold too long

And lose the overall uses

[wise whale]

Biggest mistake you can make is not sending enough

[strange tundra]

I use it on big hp packs and if it will be up for boss

[fading stump]

All at cd

[strange tundra]

Yea use all cd all the time mostly but have them up for boss

[frank trench]

Like the two guys at the end of floodgate before boss?

[wise whale]

Yes

[coral ibex]

@balmy condor is this right? i thought you just press it once at the end of LD https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vmUshBj4wWTwqJX6DMZDPu

[frank trench]

Ahole fights

[strange tundra]

If they last more than your cd then sure

[frank trench]

Rgr ty

[wise whale]

Worst comes to worst you get it back up around execute on a boss

[tired wagon]

would you hold deathmark on big pulls with no prio target ie first pull in workshop

[frank trench]

I full send huge pulls just cause you wanna get full burn down before group runs out of stops

But our first pulls are usually like 4+ full groups and a bloodlust to get it on cd right away

[strange tundra]

i use deathmark even on big pulls with no prio

[gray pecan]

hey who is better, assa rogue or frost mage? on aoe and ST

[golden loom]

unholy DK

[rotund oak]

ST frost mage is considerably strong

on aoe ild say bleed sin should win

especially with the latest tech

dont think mage can win

[gray pecan]

so assa better 😄

[fresh pelican]

🫠

[rotund oak]

for ST assa is fairly weak

u normally want both in a key

mage have the one ring to rule them all

also pretty much immortal

[uneven plume]

whoever has raid buff wins

[grand trail]

imagine playin double passive must feel good

[frank trench]

lol mages are immortal but they have to have cauliflower brain to know when to preuse defensives and k ow which to stack etc.

[rotund oak]

dont think so,im playing mage now,mostly doing keys

its fairly easy

[frank trench]

Also I play with a frost mage in my 11s I burst harder on packs him on bosses but we almost always end up like 100k of each other

[vivid mulch]

Im surprised a delve trinket is as good as pace and eye in m+

[rotund oak]

idk,looks

[vivid mulch]

I got myth gloves so im happy :) over my vet hands lmfao

[rotund oak]

frost mage should win ST sin in keys

[frank trench]

Yeah but we normalize in overall

Is what I was sayin

[rotund oak]

u should win in overalls

the mage

[frank trench]

I’m new and bad 😦

🙂

[rotund oak]

no matter how optimal i play my mage,i 99%(dont wanna say 100 for the benefit of the doubt) lose from sin rogues

bleed pumps

[frank trench]

My biggest issue is not being able to mouse over rupture I just slam extra ruptures into the main target :/

[rotund oak]

u will get there fam

[muted sparrow]

Hey guys Ive got a question, what is the main painpoint of assassination currently? I'm going over every spec and looking for opinions and feedback

[rotund oak]

in time

[frank trench]

For a new player?

[muted sparrow]

for new and returning players, yeah

[frank trench]

Dot management

Having to manually rupture to keep agi up

Using a player profile to track your death mark

[rotund oak]

if u are looking for damage over time(bleeds) u are in the right place.Keep as much uptime as humanly possible for the duration mobs live and execute/cheese them with sudden demise

see urself 1st on dmg meters

[frank trench]

But I found the best weakaura that fits with my brain. 🙂

[strange sleet]

I have to admit that I'm enjoying CT snapshotting tbh

I missed that kind of mechanic

[rotund oak]

i find sudden demise

special

😂

so much dmg

[frank trench]

Bleed build 🩸 speaks to my soul I was going to stay sub tried assassin on a whim found bleed build and never looks back it’s like a fun version of what I wish affliction lock was

[nova aspen]

sudden demise is no cheese

its legit

[rotund oak]

yup,its just ethical gaming

[deep gyro]

[rotund oak]

😂

[nova aspen]

when all cd's are blown and the mobs are at 10%, it takes forever for them to die

enter demise

[heady drum]

!stix

hm

what was it

[nova aspen]

[fallow canopy]

[rotund oak]

[crisp stream]

!fii

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[split veldt]

[nova aspen]

[blazing kayak]

wish every spec was same stats so i can swap between specs

[royal mauve]

Its the best isnt it? Then people just say make your own group and nobody applies lol

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[vivid mulch]

they're 100% checking your logs in raid B)

[last skiff]

any wa for zoldyck?

https://tenor.com/view/illumi-hunter-x-hunter-gif-15773739

[split veldt]

im a filthy casual raider

😭

okay hear me out

give rogues a blood lust

let me shoot tren darts into all my homies

[brisk forge]

Who concider raid logs if its not 100% a raider

[vivid mulch]

damn okay

[golden loom]

joined a heroic gallywix pug to quickly get 15 gilded crests, ended up selling a eye of kezan for 500k

[brisk forge]

Just make no sense, i only do hc for earlie trinkets/tier but i do well in m+

[golden loom]

was very needed aswell

[ionic hill]

I’m stuck at the same progress lol

[red schooner]

No longer broke let's go

[split veldt]

i bought a mythic geargrinder for 500k on my alt outlaw rogue lol

[ionic hill]

So hard to get into 13’s 😭

[grand trail]

damn shoulders are my best craft

would you craft shoulders even tho they are like bis statted

[blazing kayak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

mine shows mythic logs instead of my cute orange heroic ones

i'm literally getting sandbagged by progging mythic

unbelievable

[split veldt]

oof

[deep gyro]

Just parse on prog kills (:

[harsh harbor]

gd it, now I gotta learn the bleed build. Just figured out the old one

[coral ibex]

i do xd

[golden loom]

i hate stix!

[coral ibex]

my guild isn't good enough to be killing on sloppy early prog pulls

[golden loom]

atleast they removed the fucker from allstars

[vivid mulch]

you have better logs on rik than stix?

[coral ibex]

we kill bosses much later so i have more time to opti my shit

[vivid mulch]

wtf

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[coral ibex]

me too

wait