assassination

[warm vortex]

What's the best counicl fight acc

[haughty flicker]

at least you could group them up and hit them all

[grim jay]

council of dance

I mean blood

[warm vortex]

Meh i get it but i remember them being kinda mid

[grim jay]

nah

peak council fight

[fathom crown]

Do you guys know where I can buy/download a good m+ assa UI?

[grim jay]

not a single one thats better out there

[haughty flicker]

its a banger even if for no other reason than the voice lines

[red schooner]

Just use the normal UI with a weakaura it'll work fine probs

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[haughty flicker]

pick a plater and a wa group

and enjoy yourself

[grim jay]

council of elders was kinda fine aswell

[fathom crown]

Thanks

[grim jay]

hellfire high council was somewhat fun

sisters of the moon was interesting, I'd say that one is up there

[blazing tulip]

You guys have an aura to recommend to track the Junkmaestro stacks?

[balmy condor]

you don't need to track the stacks

[blazing tulip]

Are we supposed to use on CD within lingering?

[balmy condor]

no

[grim jay]

@balmy condor I'm pretty sure you liked those aswell

[balmy condor]

you just burn the stacks off in lingering

and then you're done

[balmy condor]

yes sister of the moon was good

[grim jay]

it was really cool mechanics wise and it had visual appeal

also not TOO much going on

[cyan gulch]

https://gyazo.com/962e932401ad18018e936901c4208318

Would u guys get the eye? or bis belt (662 one)

[balmy condor]

are you going to get CE

[cyan gulch]

its the plan ye

[balmy condor]

eye is very good for specifically the last 3

so I would take eye in that case

the belt can just be any random ass myth track belt who cares

[nova kelp]

do we have any legit info on the potential back slot we're getting in 11.1.5?

[clear plover]

in which keys u guys prefer bleed build

[coral ibex]

all

[nova kelp]

well... I prefer sub in ToP

[balmy condor]

the back slot?

[nova kelp]

but also fuck ToP

[balmy condor]

why would we get a back slot

[nova kelp]

there was a very brief mention of a data mined copy of our old lego cloak

[balmy condor]

as a cosmetic yes

[nova kelp]

but I haven't seen anything since, yeah so JUST a cosmetic?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cyan gulch]

what u mean bleed build, is there another?

[nova kelp]

ok good, coz I'm sick of having a champ back piece

[balmy condor]

that's a big belt

[golden loom]

leech belt with socket wtf

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's insane lmao

[golden loom]

some people!

[balmy condor]

I'd probably take belt

good stats, leech, socket

sounds good to me

[haughty flicker]

wild to even ask wtf

[ornate peak]

Sorry, dumb question here but... what exactly is making me gain all my combo points back after Rupture? Is it Serrated Bone Spike alone? I would think it should only refund 2 points?

[zenith elm]

I got the BIS Neck

[ornate peak]

Ohhhhhh nvm. It's because it's using all bones spikes in aoe and each hit a target thus jetting me up to max combo refund.

I think.

[vapid terrace]

Bone spikes is the correct answer

[grim jay]

cloak is really easy to get a good one

ngl

[zenith elm]

but i cant use it

cause i got seaforium and when i have my CD signet is proccing crit with it 🥲

[hot flicker]

Isn’t versa quite bad on Assas tho?

[grim jay]

you either get a good myth track one by default or you just slam a bad myth track one into the catalyst

[pliant remnant]

guys is this thing any good???

[zenith elm]

OH

[grim jay]

no

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[zenith elm]

its BIS BIS BIS

[mighty karma]

Hi, I've got back to rogue recently (just opened my 1st vault so im kinda rusty) Guide on icy veins we are running deadly poison, amp and "either" crippling and numbing one in keys. Well i've made cast sequence macro and it seems we can have 4 poisons rn XD its not some bugged tooltip? Last time i was playing rogue was in bfa so im still catching up.

[eager pond]

With tempt talent you can have 2 lethal and 2 non lethal poisons

[grim jay]

@balmy condor btw, obviously simming aside, since you mentioned haste gaining value on the bleed build, wouldnt vers theoretically gain value aswell? even if mostly due to SD.

[eager pond]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281317684490932347/1359329019320864998/image.png?ex=67f7154d&is=67f5c3cd&hm=68a72f842bc823b5fcef062981bb732955658f262a9a36ee867317afb25ad634&

[mighty karma]

Thanks, i wanted to make sure so i wouldnt be doing something stupid

[lyric vale]

What is cast sequence?

[eager pond]

Now I fully understand bleed

Praise bleed

[zenith elm]

Aug bad

[mighty karma]

I've done macro that swaps each poison after clicking 1 button

[pliant remnant]

Bro playing Aug in the year of our lord 2025

[eager pond]

Ye, keys after 2 am are something to study

[pliant remnant]

oh no no no

[lyric vale]

Damnnn thats helpfull asf

[hot flicker]

Just sim

[lyric vale]

Check if u can add iron claw whetstone too

[zenith elm]

I'm crying in no house of card household

[grim jay]

as we said, just take the belt. its pretty good and a high mastery cloak is easy to get

[lyric vale]

Lets cry together brother

[zenith elm]

i dont like signet, forcing me to have way too much mastery

[mighty karma]

Yeeee, that's why i was asking bout the poison cause im making 2 seperate for m+ and raiding 😄

[zenith elm]

I got myth seaforium and neck, but i cant use them cause of signet

[grim jay]

I use house of cards and I still sit at 22k mastery

[lyric vale]

I got bis trinket and item for outlaw but i want to play assaa so badd

[zenith elm]

whats your character sheet ?

[grim jay]

just check if you can swap some other gear around

[lyric vale]

Outlaw make my mental health go boom

[zenith elm]

Not enough to replace

i'm at 19 k mastery

and while i have neck and seaforium, i climb at 20k crit

[grim jay]

cant check rn, but I'm at like 20% crit, 3% haste, 12% vers and a buttload mastery iirc

[zenith elm]

so its swaps for signet

[hot flicker]

Just lower your crit I lowered my crit so I can play seaforium and signet

[zenith elm]

I can play both, but not with the BIS myth Neck rn

so i'm locked out of my good neck 🥲

[grim jay]

nvm armory says
24% crit 3% haste 68% mastery 12% vers

[subtle tundra]

L

loser loser loser

loser loser

[grim jay]

its W because my sim doesnt want me to even recraft to haste

who tf wants haste

[subtle tundra]

my asshole

[grim jay]

no, that one wants D

[subtle tundra]

danke

[grim jay]

immer gern, du musst dich nicht bedanken mein liebling.

[zenith elm]

I want to use my neck

but i fcking cant

i'm crying tears of blood

[deft vault]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

fucking jerman

[eager pond]

Should I craft a second dagger for offhand? Mainhand is already 675 but my offhand sucks a lot because no luck
Or just spam m+ until a second dagger appears?

[subtle tundra]

no

you dont craft off hand

youre welcome

[zenith elm]

How you feeling about the vault boys?

[grim jay]

I'll tell you in like 9 hours

[zenith elm]

damn thats far away in time

good luck

[red schooner]

I'll let you know when I'm home from the office

[grim jay]

work and gym before I can be disappointed

unlucky

[zenith elm]

Oooh understandable

[red schooner]

I did gym yesterday I'm safe today

[zenith elm]

i wanna go to the gym too

[zenith elm]

Go everyday, double your gains

[grim jay]

I only have one day off this week and that was monday

[zenith elm]

Thats the true way

[red schooner]

God no my main gym routine is cardio

There are no gains only running further

[zenith elm]

Cardio bad

[grim jay]

but you kinda gain endurance

[red schooner]

Ye I dunno why I started running

[grim jay]

so its not entirely true

[grim jay]

I'm running away from my problems

thats cardio enough

[zenith elm]

you need endurance as outlaw

not assa

[red schooner]

But ye I can't handle back to back days on treadmill it's boring as shit

[zenith elm]

I mostly do powerlifting tbh

being capable to hit my keyboard harder

[grim jay]

if I do cardio, and thats a big if, I always watch netflix

[red schooner]

I have an audiobook that is my treadmill book that I can only listen to when running, it helps slightly but it isn't enough

[zenith elm]

I listen to Phonk

not good for cardio

[zenith elm]

i cant concentrate on running while watching a show, too complicated for my smol brainµ

[red schooner]

I just have fantasy books going so I can pretend I'm not on the treadmill

[zenith elm]

Love fantasy books

[grim jay]

I dont either

I just move my legs

but I mainly jog

I dont run

[half tartan]

Tried bleed build feels goodge

[lean plover]

got a myth track dagger in vault, can you still recraft dagger to get free upgrades?

[hollow river]

nop

[nimble tartan]

hey guys im a sin player now ❤️

on mugzee i gotta learn the rotash

[hollow river]

ew !

[normal mist]

No your name is not red yet

[nimble tartan]

i always keep it blue its cute

[normal mist]

Fake assa

[grim jay]

my name never was red

[normal mist]

You're also fake!

[willow anvil]

hey guys i got a quick question
in single target, during kingsbane, should i cast envenom (without darkest night) with 7 combo points or 5+? if i wanna do 5+ then i have to use 1 mutilate (+shiv), but for 7 i'll have to use 2 mutilates.

[normal mist]

5+

[balmy condor]

5+ always, darkest night always 7

[grim jay]

I'm probably the OG fake in here then

also whispyrs and your name arent red either

bozo

[normal mist]

Be proud young one

[grim jay]

thats probably the first time ive been called young around here

[willow anvil]

do you wait to have darkest night to start kingsbane? or you dont care. because if i wait i can have darkest night 2 times in kingsbane

[normal mist]

I was about to say that too xD

[balmy condor]

there's no interaction between darkest night and kingsbane

you just do your rotation

[normal mist]

Davyn your a 95+ right?

[balmy condor]

and every couple finishers you get darkest night

[grim jay]

im exactly 95

[normal mist]

Same

I'm older certainly

January 4th

[grim jay]

there are maybe like 3% of 95's that are younger than me

28th dec

[normal mist]

Almost a year diff xD

[willow anvil]

so it doesnt matter if i proc 1 darkest night or 2 during kingsbane?

[normal mist]

But we were born in the golden era

[grim jay]

most certainly. I always say 94-96 are fine years

[balmy condor]

not even remotely

as long as you envenom before your kingsbane and you cast another envenom in there somewhere

that's like 90% of your kingsbane done

we don't even really care to spam envenoms during kingsbane all that much

if you have the buff, job done

[gusty pagoda]

alright ive looked through a few places but cant find it anywhere. Does anyone have a easy way to sim dungeon slice vs raid?!

[willow anvil]

aaah i was making my life so hard. ty 😄

[grim jay]

wdym dslice vs raid

[grim jay]

you just run 2 sims

[gusty pagoda]

ah i see, i guess i never saw that was actually a dropdown menu. I feel quite stupid now

[grim jay]

it almost sounded like you wanted to compare a dslice and a raid sim

[balmy condor]

next video is sim guide

[gusty pagoda]

more or less just trying to see which gear would be better for each. I've got a full bag of 655-665 gear from pushing keys and just trying to see which stats are better

[normal mist]

That was some god tier timing

[gusty pagoda]

just got the same thing

[red schooner]

Oh shit, did the pookie video just drop?

[balmy condor]

:) I definitely didn't do that on purpose

[normal mist]

Ahhh don't blow it

You look super cool rn

https://tenor.com/view/sunglasses-boss-kid-chubbyboy-serious-gif-9393558777725255868

Tbf a sim video guide would actually be so fucking great

[plucky canopy]

Whispyr do you know anything about a bug where u can cast dark Knight evenom back to back?
Happened to me yesterday on sprocket a couple of times. Always the same moment

[dreamy rover]

brah cmon man

[normal mist]

You sure you weren't parrying?

[dreamy rover]

dude is in my ty home

[plucky canopy]

Nop did the dmg twice

[balmy condor]

premium brazil

[plucky canopy]

Here

[buoyant herald]

excellent thumbnail

[balmy condor]

I'll let @muted shadow know

he's the thumbnail guy after all

[hexed basalt]

when do we shiv in bleed build?

[balmy condor]

to buff your crimson tempest

[hexed basalt]

cheers

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-gif-11018350

[dreamy rover]

shithole

[normal mist]

Braziu número uno ueueueuehe

[dreamy rover]

lol

[grim jay]

dont tell me ueueueueueuehe is an actual word

[balmy condor]

hey man, brazil lost 7-1, premium brazil would've kept it to like 3-1

[grim jay]

ah wait

nvm

[normal mist]

Its just laughing in a weird way

[dreamy rover]

nope, brazilian laugh

[normal mist]

Yo david

[dreamy rover]

LOL

[balmy condor]

range issue

[dreamy rover]

sup royal

[normal mist]

CARALHO CARA

PORRA

[grim jay]

reicht jetzt auch, Royal

[dreamy rover]

are you brazilian????????

[normal mist]

Portuguese

Same thing in the end

[balmy condor]

premium brazil as some might call it

[normal mist]

LOL

[dreamy rover]

dude actually is

lol

[wise whale]

?? just consume the DN. you're only holding a shiv for DN during lingering darkness, after your DM/KB. if you have DN up, send

[grim jay]

are you actually ronaldo?

[plucky canopy]

Okay, need to find the exact timing to replicate. It does indeed does damage both times (can see in logs)

[dreamy rover]

ronaldo confirmed rogue main?

[grim jay]

he definitely is a rogue

[prisma shadow]

The blood build was cranking in some keys I was doing early anyone run it in higher end keys yet?

[balmy condor]

yeah I've seen it happen before with moving targets

[grim jay]

idk if he plays one tho

[balmy condor]

and it looks like that in the clip too

boss moves, you lag behind

so you envenom and it's in range

[zenith elm]

I wanna know how much dinars we can get and when we get them tbh

[grim jay]

ye, like.. everyone

[balmy condor]

but by the time darkest night calculates

you're not in range

[grim jay]

because its better

[zenith elm]

i wanna have dinars now

[balmy condor]

and the game just loses its mind

[plucky canopy]

Good game 🫡

[grim jay]

it would be rather funny if it was fake news

[dreamy rover]

LOL

[grim jay]

and meant for s3

[zenith elm]

Dont destroy my hopes for HOC and Jastor pls

[grim jay]

just loot them

I got 3 HoCs by now

[zenith elm]

AH

[zenith elm]

I hate you, from the core of my being

[grim jay]

dw only one normal track

and 2 hero track

[plucky canopy]

Only two heroic track?

Man

[zenith elm]

Arghhhh

[plucky canopy]

We have 2 hc and 1 nhc in our entire guild

[grim jay]

one hero track had leech

[plucky canopy]

We just omega fucked bz loot and vault

[grim jay]

so I had to spend valor again

[zenith elm]

How man

just how

[plucky canopy]

But I got mythic Signet this week so idc anymore

[royal lantern]

found the german

[zenith elm]

I hate signet

[plucky canopy]

Shit

[grim jay]

I like HoC because I can use it on sin and sub

[zenith elm]

Its makes us take wayyy too much mastery over crit

[plucky canopy]

Why?

[zenith elm]

Cause with seaforium, you cant take the BIS neck

[plucky canopy]

I have kezan

[zenith elm]

it makes our crit way to high in raids

[zenith elm]

ARGH

[plucky canopy]

And craftet neck

[grim jay]

idk pacemaker kinda lowers crit value anyways

[zenith elm]

True

we only value crit while on our CD ?

[hollow river]

then it isn't BiS for YOU (rn)

[grim jay]

no but your average crit gets raised by quite a bit

with pacemaker

[zenith elm]

I know, still took it for the two other specs tho

and cause i had nothing better

[royal lantern]

wdym lol

[zenith elm]

Yeah like 3.6k on myth

[royal lantern]

mate, get that "BiS" idea out of your head

it doesnt exist

[zenith elm]

i know

but still, its a really good neck, if i didnt have seaforium or if i got HOC

[grim jay]

you are BiS in my left arm and @quiet oar is BiS in my right arm

[balmy condor]

I should show my stats

I think people would vomit

wowhead guide wrong????????

[grim jay]

you have like

the same as me

[zenith elm]

Please do

[grim jay]

and they got offended by mine

so probably right

[red schooner]

Mr whippy misleading other rogues so he can get better parses

Confirmed

[zenith elm]

i'm having like massive mastery, some crit and haste and nearly no poly

[balmy condor]

[zenith elm]

Damn hahaha

whats your trinkets ?

[grim jay]

alright you got more haste since last time

[balmy condor]

signet/seaforium

[balmy condor]

I recrafted

[zenith elm]

Nice Neck

Between Jastor or Hoc, which one would you take first ?

[balmy condor]

I think sims want the ring on the right but dslice takes forever so idk

[dreamy rover]

no way sim is telling you 23k mast

[grim jay]

I still have it on mastery/vers because it was neutral on dslice

[balmy condor]

sure is

[dreamy rover]

is that full natty no buffs/flask etc?

[royal lantern]

Jastor

[dreamy rover]

thats crazy

[grim jay]

it tells me that aswell

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim jay]

I have like 22.7k

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

here with flask and priory

[dreamy rover]

oh okie

[balmy condor]

this is flask and priory

and seaforium procced

[dreamy rover]

lol

no prepot btw

[zenith elm]

wHUT

Whut

[dreamy rover]

or prepot?

[zenith elm]

prepot

[balmy condor]

that's with pot

it's all macro'd

so guess pot too

[zenith elm]

he got way too much haste and vers if he didnt preport

prepot*

[balmy condor]

yeh yeh

I just hit my dm macro

[grim jay]

I have more vers without prepot

I'm just a really versatile person

what can I say

[zenith elm]

I'm simulating my rings, to see if i need more vers or not

[balmy condor]

my sims want more crit

but I refuse to give it more crit

[golden loom]

full natty ratings 🙂

[balmy condor]

I'm edging it

[balmy condor]

yeh this is nicce

[zenith elm]

Maybe not enough vers ?

[grim jay]

ew

[zenith elm]

idk

[dreamy rover]

yhea i got to the forced induction part of the video and it pissed me off tbh

[balmy condor]

whats wrong with the video :(

[dreamy rover]

not you

[royal lantern]

you

[dreamy rover]

the people who plan to drop thistle to get forced induction

just pisses me off

the video is perfect whispor

[kind forge]

Why?

[balmy condor]

Idk man, it's not like you need the energy

[grim jay]

full demise maxxing, so you gotta go for that vers

[royal lantern]

what

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

for super low keys

like 10's when you're 670 or whatever

[kind forge]

Yea ofc

[balmy condor]

or if you're doing below 10's for some reason

[kind forge]

I mean why does it piss him off

[balmy condor]

oh

cause tea good

idk

[dreamy rover]

idk man

[kind forge]

[dreamy rover]

it just did

[balmy condor]

playing 200 energy is strange too I will say

I tried it and it was really whack

[dreamy rover]

exactly

its all fucked up

[gusty pagoda]

yeah just finished the video @balmy condor was super good and actually cleared up a few things that i didnt know. Thanks for the time and effort!

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

speaking of, probably has been asked, but do you still have tea macroed to shiv for bleed build?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dreamy rover]

AGREE100P

[balmy condor]

even more so macro'd for bleed build if anything

cause you're slamming that shit in aoe constantly

[kind forge]

Whispyr of new banger video

[zenith elm]

I need to sim all my gears to get optimal performance

[royal lantern]

very big pp?

[grim jay]

makes sense

[kind forge]

for „new“ build

[dreamy rover]

100p = 100 PERCENT %%%%%

[grim jay]

100P means 100mm

[dreamy rover]

😎

[royal lantern]

100% PP?

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna try it again

[grim jay]

@balmy condor can you add "we need to be able to open the vault in the blizz app" to every feedback related thing you do?

totally unrelated

[balmy condor]

the blizz app?

what blizz app

[dreamy rover]

Watch they dont accept you because youre not playing a uh dk

[normal mist]

I don't like football

[plucky canopy]

That blizz app

[grim jay]

the wow companion or what its called

[balmy condor]

I have a backup plan

[dreamy rover]

LOL

[balmy condor]

I do not have a backup plan

[grim jay]

wtf

[dreamy rover]

whats your io?

[balmy condor]

2981

[grim jay]

same, but professional players mostly love the money aswell

so

[normal mist]

Ain't a male or a female, just a legit rogue (I'm a guy yes)

[balmy condor]

need to do my 14/15's this week

last week was ugly

[zenith elm]

I need to do my 12 prioru

Priory

[dreamy rover]

lmao, this pugging culture is getting out of hand

[zenith elm]

I aint even with resilient key yet, i'm disgusting

[balmy condor]

if I get my 14's done it's like 3.2 I think

[zenith elm]

Uh, you dont like TOP dont you?

[grim jay]

I'll go for it this week aswell, finally got some freetime

[royal lantern]

did you try playing a class that has BL or a CR?

[dreamy rover]

im sitting at 3k io, rushed it for the mount and still people dont invite me for regular 10s

[zenith elm]

Overall on TOP 12, good or bad ?

[royal lantern]

more important question:

did you kill the boomkin in the duel

[grim jay]

decent, depends on your tank. I had 3.9m on my last ToP vault key

[zenith elm]

I did

[royal lantern]

then you did good

only thing that matters

[zenith elm]

Thanks

[grim jay]

did you use DM on him

tho

[zenith elm]

I did not

[grim jay]

fuel the flames of your hatred

dang

you can do better next time

[zenith elm]

I will next time

[grim jay]

let him get executed by SD DM

so he dies fr

(probably doesnt work anymore)

[zenith elm]

It stills didnt get hotfixed ?

I hope it did cause now i'm dueling, dont wanna have a bricked key because of it

[grim jay]

it probably did

I most of the time lose the duel on purpose tho

unless premade group and cds coming up

[zenith elm]

I wanna vanish once

And just wait

To ragebait my friends in premade

Idk why, it feels right

[grim jay]

I usually kidney them

if I kill them

that annoys them aswell

[golden loom]

the range check on this CT weakaura is some gigabrain shit

[subtle tundra]

oh i thought you were good

nvm

hardstuck 14

[grim jay]

are you even doing keys this season

[subtle tundra]

i aint even playing mate

[zenith elm]

I see he chose only huge AOE keys

[subtle tundra]

i quit

[royal lantern]

you have 15 dicks hardstuck inside your butt right

[subtle tundra]

16
dont talk if you dont know what youre on about

[grim jay]

so its No Gamer Varas ?

[zenith elm]

I need more of your gamer juice, only getting on 13 rn

[golden loom]

best day of the week @subtle tundra

[subtle tundra]

mods

ban him

[zenith elm]

Please do

dont*

i like him

[golden loom]

mad at a master spelunker...

[harsh ravine]

hi, I see a lot of people doing this :

Isn't it a misplay ?
sending mutilate before kingsbane and envenom first after kingsbane would be better, am I wrong ?
I am asking cause from logs almost everyone does it

[subtle tundra]

its not a misplay

[golden loom]

I mean you have to build to 5+ before envenoming

[subtle tundra]

you dont need to build cp before using your cds

[harsh ravine]

yes so it would be : 1 mutilate, 1 shiv, 1 kingbane for 5+

[harsh ravine]

why so, can you explain it to me ? I don't understand, kingsbane scales by 20% for each envenom, no ?

[subtle tundra]

no

youve misread it

well misinterpreted

[harsh ravine]

mhmhm yes probably, how does it scale then

[golden loom]

kingsbane ramping is 90%+ from auto attacks

[subtle tundra]

poison applications

[golden loom]

you just have envenom buff for poison procs

[harsh ravine]

so envenom isn't a poison ? :o

[subtle tundra]

every ability and autoattack has a chance to proc

including mutilate

and autoattacks

[harsh ravine]

oh ok, so a mutilate just counts as much as an envenom during kingsbane, it depends on proc

[golden loom]

mutilate can proc twice

so its even better

[hot fulcrum]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[harsh ravine]

I thought envenom would be counted as a poison proc 100%

[golden loom]

but you of course wanna pump as many envenoms as possible still

[harsh ravine]

yes but doing the mutilate before or after kingsbane doesn't matter for the overall damage ok

[golden loom]

its just there to build combo points

and you envenom -> deathmark -> shiv -> KB

so it comes after KB automatically

[harsh ravine]

yes that's what I always do in M+, to get the fastest damage output possible, but I was thinking building CP before sending KB would be better due to envenom being a poison, but I was wrong

[harsh ravine]

it's funny cause most of the chinese logs build CP before KB

and most of EU logs don't do it

[ancient rain]

is it just me or sudden demise doesnt work in delves

[obsidian marlin]

maybe its for ttk? getting the second envenom going right away during kb window

[harsh ravine]

yes it can be that

[balmy condor]

wow

[subtle tundra]

if it was worth doing another builder it would be in the sims and we would be doing it

just like whispyr and i are doing it

[balmy condor]

good ability

I kinda hate not having 300 energy though

feels real weird

[golden loom]

I just did a tier 11 and demise does not show up on details

[balmy condor]

yeah delves count as open world

and it's fucked

[hexed basalt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

open world demise scaling is absolute horror work

[golden loom]

fried

[red schooner]

What changes with demise and open world?

[balmy condor]

open world scales

with your gear and stuff

it's like a hidden thing so you don't just walk up to a mob and fully one shot it

[jagged spear]

bleed build so much easier to play thanks for great build🫡

[balmy condor]

and the way that works is insanely convoluted and janky

like if you fight a random rare

and someone shows up with 100 ilvl less

the rare has less health

[red schooner]

Ah, fair. Didn't really know. I was wondering why demise open world seemed weird

[balmy condor]

yeah it's a semi-hidden thing

you don't ever really notice it

but it's supposed to make the world not get completely ground pounded with +30 ilvl

except demise is flat damage based on your bleeds

so it has to ramp as well, but then it like, doesn't

cause it's all very spaghetti

and so it doesn't kill

which means it just doesn't trigger

cause it tries to kill, doesn't

then goes on cooldown

sudden demise also has an internal cooldown if you didn't know

[subtle tundra]

thats hot

[warm vortex]

I still can’t believe last night

[golden loom]

btw whispry outside of these delve eggs, is using poisoned knife on richard reverbington during intermission a good use case?

[warm vortex]

Our fucking monk turned his keyboard to a different language mid boss pull so his binds got fucked up and he couldn’t heal

[grim jay]

envenom is mostly for the poison application buff in regards to kingsbane. the applications from abilities are only a fraction. you could basically just envenom once before kb and once during kb (if you dont run ttk) and would not get a noticeably different result

just in terms of kb damage

[warm vortex]

I used knife if I ever had to move out

[warm flint]

goood i join the bleed gang also, this shit slapppp

[warm vortex]

Give us explosive / ricochet throwing knives bliz

I would be on my fucking KNEES

[subtle tundra]

yes you can use it to build your cp

[golden loom]

ye exactly

[warm flint]

on bleed build, we wanna hold a shiv when most of the mobs are around 40-50m (around %20-25ish) hp, so demise goes brrrr?

[subtle tundra]

as long as you dont do it too late and start the phase with less energy

[grim jay]

or you just muti while he has the shield before you start running

and are fast

[balmy condor]

you just want me to spit in your mouth or what

[warm vortex]

Memememe

[balmy condor]

is this a cry for help

[warm vortex]

Please me

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-cat-kitty-gif-6540808372197226742

[warm flint]

those free ambushes are as sexy as maddison btw

[grim jay]

maddison who?

[warm flint]

no shi

[balmy condor]

just imagine a maddison

[zenith elm]

So for cd do we envenom always before DM even if its not 5+?

[balmy condor]

why wouldn't it be 5

[grim jay]

idk, nothing good comes out of that

[balmy condor]

if you have kingsbane, you envenom before dm

[zenith elm]

like in raid when you want to dm as soon as possible

[warm vortex]

You always wanna do 5

[warm vortex]

What

[balmy condor]

what

[subtle tundra]

what

[golden loom]

meow

[zenith elm]

idk, just read it above

[subtle tundra]

you dont make sense

[warm vortex]

Why do you wanna DM as soon as possible? You always wanna get +5cp enven as they consume marks

Idk who mark is

But he is getting eaten tf out

[zenith elm]

Kk, just wanted to make sure

[desert crest]

Guessing u mean on opener but u still wanna envenom on 5 on opener

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/disgusted-disappointed-ew-look-away-stop-gif-15615092

[zenith elm]

Whispyr being confused, after all our bullshit

[warm vortex]

Again give us ricochet,explosive poisonous knives

It wpuld be cool

[balmy condor]

I'm not even confused, I just hate what I'm looking at in that screenshot

[grim jay]

they should make poisoned knife great again

[warm vortex]

That’s isn’t confusion
It’s pure disgust

[zenith elm]

Would you still love us if we were worm? please respond @balmy condor

[grim jay]

I want a talent like capacitor, where it supercharges your next poisoned knife

[warm vortex]

Kinda like when Whispyr sees a {redacted} person

[golden loom]

hate seeing a man succeed...

[warm vortex]

Bro yes please it would be so cool!!!

[grim jay]

I aint your bro

you can call me darling

uh davyn

[zenith elm]

No its Darling now

[balmy condor]

I used to eat rolly pollies as a kid

they'd curl up in their little shell and I'd pop em in my mouth like an M&M

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[kind forge]

[zenith elm]

I unlocked some lore

[kind forge]

Really detailed

[zenith elm]

damn

[kind forge]

I like it

[zenith elm]

Whispyr Lore being so random, i fcking love it

[balmy condor]

my mom would like go outside with me and she'd have to watch me like a hawk to make sure I wasn't just eating a random fucking beetle

[zenith elm]

Now i want to be a random beetle, so you can eat me

[grim jay]

as long as you didnt eat snails

[balmy condor]

anyways so I'm undiagnosed but there are signs

[zenith elm]

Snails kind bad bc of parasite

[royal lantern]

are you sure that you are not a Bird

[balmy condor]

I did not

[subtle tundra]

like a hawk, too, huh?

[warm vortex]

Darlin dayvn

[grim jay]

snails kinda bad because that would make you somewhat french

[balmy condor]

you're a little late, she got married like 2 years ago, but she was on the market you would've made a cute couple

I could've called you daddy

[warm vortex]

You already do

Tf you mean “could’ve”

[subtle tundra]

god i missed my fucking chance

[balmy condor]

give it a couple years, you can be husband #5

get in there soldier

[grim jay]

why didnt you tell me? I couldve been your Dadvyn

[subtle tundra]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[warm vortex]

I would make a joke about me but I’m too young

I mean people have wow chars older than me

[red schooner]

Don't make me feel old pls

[warm vortex]

I’m 19 which apparently classifies as toddler here

[subtle tundra]

yes

kid

[warm vortex]

I was born in 2005

[red schooner]

yes

[normal mist]

Absolutely

[warm vortex]

And I’m turning 20 this year

[balmy condor]

in this channel? you're lowering the average age by neary 8 years on your own

[red schooner]

Wtf nah that'd make you like 9 you can't lie to me like this

[warm vortex]

Also hi royal

[normal mist]

Hi ven ily

[subtle tundra]

i HATE you

[normal mist]

I hate that you love me

[zenith elm]

I'm 26

[royal lantern]

i did my driving license during legion asap when i could start with it

turning 28this year btw :3

[golden loom]

massive upgrade for the account

[subtle tundra]

guys if the weekend after this one isnt warm outside i might just kill myself. i wanna go fishing. fuck me. i wanna go fishing.

i wanna fish

[red schooner]

I'm only 32 I'm not that much older

[normal mist]

I love fishing

Never did irl

But wow is good

[subtle tundra]

bro i went to my friends house on saturday

and i played fishing simulator

on vr

im down bad

[normal mist]

Was it sunny?

[subtle tundra]

yes

and it rained

later

and then sunny and then rain again

[vernal shadow]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[normal mist]

Dream

[warm vortex]

:D

[zenith elm]

Does haste accounts bleed ticks too?

[warm vortex]

Driving lesson time

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim jay]

alright grandpa

calm down

[subtle tundra]

cant a lil' guy enjoy a day out with family

i wish i could drink and fish

but ugh being responsible

[normal mist]

Right?!

[grim jay]

dw, its perfectly fine for lil guys in their 50s

[balmy condor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[harsh ravine]

alright, so the total KB damages will always be similar as long as evenom buff is always up, and shiv is there

[reef flare]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[harsh ravine]

sometimes I get much different results in m+, some of my KBs go to 14M, some others are at 10M with the same exact setup

[vestal eagle]

i was playing +12 yesterday with the bleed build and really enjoyed it. Today Whispyr drops bleed video - am i blessed?

[grim jay]

that can be crit

or not having your kb target as your main target

[harsh ravine]

I do have that, don't worry

[grim jay]

yeah then its potentially just about critting

[harsh ravine]

alright! ty

[latent umbra]

Shud we even bother go assa for rik? Or jus sub it? Also for stix assa still possible ya with caustic

[nova shadow]

I think I get it now bleed is overall better but on encoutners that wants heavy spatter it is probably still hybrid

like dfc frist boss or smth

[subtle tundra]

yeah maybe but

is dfc add damage relevant?

[royal lantern]

dfc first Boss?

the boss where the mechanics 1hit kill adds?

[zenith elm]

Just simmed my character

i wanna die

[balmy condor]

real

[vestal eagle]

althoug DFC first boss you almost always got max target CT on the boss so that helps also on bleed build right

[zenith elm]

if i dont have HOC, i'm fucked

[south drum]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[grim jay]

wdym you dont pad?

I dont think there is a dungeon where hybrid would be better tbh

[zenith elm]

I'd say TOP

but i'm not even sure tbh

[grim jay]

nah, why should hybrid be better there

[harsh ravine]

I think about rookery, last boss is a pain, first boss isn't linked with mobs either

[balmy condor]

hybrid is better in 3-4 target

could be a hybrid angle

but you lose some single target

[harsh ravine]

TOP isn't the case, you can link a lot on bosses

[balmy condor]

so it's kinda questionable

[grim jay]

yeah but its less ST and its not like the dungeon only has 3-4

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's basically just more damage on first boss

otherwise bleed in the xav wing

[latent umbra]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[balmy condor]

should just be better

[zenith elm]

but we chain on boss for some

[grim jay]

bleed has more ST, so if its for the last boss you would want bleed aswell

[zenith elm]

like mordretha we can pull the little mobs we skip

[balmy condor]

that's fine

mordretha the hard part is below 50%

bleed is better there

[harsh ravine]

yes that's what I meant, it's for ppl that want to push rookery with out playing sub or outlaw

[latent umbra]

!stix

[zenith elm]

True true

[balmy condor]

you get big sanguine on the adds going into mordretha anyway

so that's fine

[zenith elm]

Do you keep your vanish for the adds?

[grim jay]

I'd potentially do that on higher keys

[patent silo]

Could you guys help me find the sim sheet?

[grim jay]

depends on group

[balmy condor]

probably not

I mean if you have 2 charges going into the fight, might as well

[zenith elm]

Really? damn

[balmy condor]

but otherwise just for deathmark

[zenith elm]

is it that much of a ST dps loss?

[balmy condor]

I mean even if it weren't

[red schooner]

I did sometimes when our group was getting fucked by adds and I had iron wire, kinda helped though it shouldn't have been needed

[harsh ravine]

I did rook 16 overtimed by 30 seconds, I don't think I will ever be able to do rook 17 as assa, I definitly was the problem in the group with my low ST damages

[balmy condor]

you're not going to have vanish for each add pack

so then what

[red schooner]

People didn't interrupt their own add

[grim jay]

you can like

[red schooner]

For some reason

[grim jay]

fill with vanish

if you have CCs asigned

[zenith elm]

Yeah like DH has chains

[zenith elm]

and when he doesnt

you vanish

[hearty reef]

Only Time Will Tell

[vale lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vale lantern]

@hidden bay sugested i get a weak aura that shows how many targets are in range for caustic anyone have a suggestion or a link for this by chance

[hot flicker]

In normal rotation do you guys shiv after initial bleed application or do you wait to try proc bigger sudden demise hits

[grim jay]

its completely unnecessary

and iirc rangechecks dont work anymore

[grim jay]

you can most of the time do both

[balmy condor]

rangechecks work

that's how the CT wa works

[grim jay]

unless low keys, then I'd prolly save for execute

[hot flicker]

So essentially shiv after initial then shiv again after refresh

[balmy condor]

but yeah I don't understand the point of a caustic check

[grim jay]

didnt they not work at some point?

[vale lantern]

he just noticed i wasnt stranding in range of mobs on mythic earlier

when i could have position differently to hit more of the mobs

[balmy condor]

mythic gallywix?

[buoyant herald]

is there an easy way to add that 35% spark to nameplates without just grabbing someone's pack with it pre-existing?

[vale lantern]

it was a me problem not an everyone problem

mythic stix and vexie were the2 i was in on

i wish we were on gally already

[balmy condor]

???????

you can't position on those bosses

they're not big enough

@hidden bay what are you yappin mate

[grand trail]

Guys I have magnet and pacemaker in vault again and about to leave it there again send help

[subtle tundra]

leave what

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/tactical-gif-22144752

[grand trail]

The items

It just why would you play any of those if you have kezan

[grim jay]

because kezan sucks in m+

[subtle tundra]

cause kezan is bad in a lot of scenarios

eh what

[grim jay]

and on shorter fights

[grand trail]

Yeah but last 3 bosses all 7min +

[grim jay]

yeah well if you exclusively pick your loot for the last 3 bosses

I guess its valid

[grand trail]

Kezan is even with mythic magnet / pace even at 6

We are on bandit and we no longer reclaer

[grim jay]

I pick stuff for m+ aswell

so I wouldnt ditch pacemaker

[grand trail]

Idk it's temping

But have mythic tier gloves there too

Mine gloves are 4/6 hc

Which would allowed me to craft chest

[subtle tundra]

idk id pick pacemaker

and if needed spend crests on hc gear

at worst you just cap out your ilvl a week later

[hot flicker]

So what would you say is a stronger pick HoC or jastors ring (I know it will be different for eveyone but just in a general sense which is stronger)

[grand trail]

Btw funny again, I simmed trinkets in morning and mythic magnet with hc kezan beat mythic priory trinket with kezan 😄

[subtle tundra]

theres a chance you never see pacemaker again if you care about m+

[balmy condor]

jastor

and I don't think it's close

[subtle tundra]

house of cards has a farmable alternative

meanwhile jaster is op

[balmy condor]

ye

[hot flicker]

I mean i can farm both no?

Oh you mean alternative

[subtle tundra]

you cant farm a ring as strong as jastor

[hot flicker]

Got you

[grand trail]

Fucking sims want me to not play 2min on use trinket even tho it's max out 😄

[vale marten]

if i pick signet i will never see pacemaker again right?

[zenith elm]

Yes

[crisp ridge]

between bleed and hybrid, which one does more prio dmg?

[grim jay]

the same goes the other way around

[vale marten]

fuuuuuuuck

[balmy condor]

bleed probably more prio

[grand trail]

Why nobody pick.magnet

[subtle tundra]

🧢

[balmy condor]

??????

[vale marten]

i can get magnet from stix so no point

[grim jay]

I'd sim, but potentially pick pacemaker personally, because I play sub aswell

[subtle tundra]

pacemaker has no alternative

(eye of kezan can smd)

[grim jay]

so based bestie

[balmy condor]

varas just give me a cap and doesn't elaborate

[subtle tundra]

especially since im a fucking rogue and i love restealths

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

ignored bud

spam envenom + kb > your shitty bleeds

[balmy condor]

I thought you wanted no KB

it's not though

[subtle tundra]

🧢

[zenith elm]

Bleed is life

[grim jay]

will whispyr succumb to the madness?

[grand trail]

I'm trying to find out reason to pick pacemaker but if I pick it up I need to dump all crest into it too and than i endup with mediocre trinket compares to kezan

[nova shadow]

wtf is this vault

[grand trail]

I fucking hate it

[grim jay]

we will know shortly

[balmy condor]

idk what varas is even arguing for at this point

doesn't like KB

then a build without KB is better

[subtle tundra]

you dont need to use it though

[balmy condor]

and he doesn't believe me

[subtle tundra]

BRO

IT WAS ABOUT PRIO DAM

[balmy condor]

I KNOW

[subtle tundra]

DAMAGE ON PRIO TARGET

[balmy condor]

YES

[vale marten]

its suffering from success

[subtle tundra]

i fully support bleeders

you go girls

[grand trail]

Bleeders rocks

[balmy condor]

BLEED IS EQUAL OR MORE PRIO DAMAGE

[subtle tundra]

🧢

[balmy condor]

PRIO

varas what is your problem mate

[subtle tundra]

your lies

what is yours

[balmy condor]

it's not a fucking lie you dumbass

[subtle tundra]

0 proof -> lie

go test on dummies

and come back with a report

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

dont do it though

[grim jay]

you could just hit us

we are dummies aswell

[hearty reef]

bro yapping 🗣️🔥🔥

[subtle tundra]

buffing envenom and having kb is more prio than some weird bleeds

[balmy condor]

line up 5 varas's in a clump I'll test prio dam

yeah surely

[subtle tundra]

spank my ass like a dummy

[delicate trench]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[nova shadow]

whispyr

Does bleed want as much mastery as possible

[grim jay]

bleed wants you to sim your gear

just like hybrid

they have a common goal in that sense

[balmy condor]

why would bleed want as much mastery as possible

[grim jay]

because mastery increases bleed damage.. and poison.. oh wait

[hearty reef]

because sudden demise cant crit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[subtle tundra]

vers increases all damage. whats your argument

[balmy condor]

I mean there's clearly a flawed through process

[subtle tundra]

through what

[balmy condor]

so I'm trying to find out where the flaw is

[grim jay]

thats why I have decent vers aswell

[balmy condor]

thought* fuck you

[grim jay]

same to you

[normal mist]

But the more mastery I have, the more likely I am to master Assassin(nation)

[hearty reef]

the talent with master in the name gives crit but not mastery

[grim jay]

you mean a "master(y) assassin(ation)"

[opaque monolith]

do anyone know if azerokk's resonating heart is siming bug or is it just that good

[grim jay]

its as good as it sims

on average

sometimes better sometimes worse

[nova shadow]

is this overall good on dfc 13 for bleed I felt like my ST was a horror

[subtle tundra]

hm i opened 2 random logs to check prio damage and they did the same

[night vessel]

whats the thing with the new bleed build? without kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

strange

[subtle tundra]

blundered

[balmy condor]

still need me to hit a dummy

or what

[subtle tundra]

never opening a log again

[grim jay]

you can see my log

[subtle tundra]

you can hit my cheeks

[grim jay]

its massive

[nova shadow]

oh you've uploaded the bleed guide already great :peepowatch:

[balmy condor]

yes two videos and a pin and wowhead guides updated

[willow wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vZjaRk4sLV7n6VjuPdhhiF Why is my sim with my vault options
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wAEUCnkyY2581qDJSdsbsW Lower than my sim from last week

[tawdry mica]

passing on HoC the very first time I got it in the vault feels horrible, but it simmed a bit worse than Signet + Peacemaker and I had a myth track tier to choose too

so I had to make the decision

[golden loom]

1 sim with IB and one with caustic

[willow wren]

o

me stupid

ty ty

[subtle tundra]

maybe i watch the videos just to hear your voice

babe

[hot flicker]

Did I miss them where are them videos?

[balmy condor]

this is boss damage on first boss floodgate, and in packs sudden demise will be bigger on prio target with bleed, so bleed is equal/slightly better, singular focus is bigger so more adds more prio, gg varas is washed go back to monk and kiss yourself king

[balmy condor]

in the pin

or youtube

[subtle tundra]

i literally admitted to this

[grim jay]

HoC only really is a good pick if your stats are scuffed or you play sub aswell

[subtle tundra]

do you feel better now that you did too

[balmy condor]

yes

I do

you said equal

but I'm gonna keep beatin you

like I beat your meat

[grand trail]

I want it all what do we do

[subtle tundra]

also big momma isnt a good representation cause diff cooldowns up at diff times, more/less dmg in amp phase

but ok

i looked at first pull

where its the same pull

but alright

[golden loom]

pacemaker snaptake

[subtle tundra]

and every cd is up at the start

but ok whispyr

[balmy condor]

the amps lined up

:)

I checked

:)

[subtle tundra]

did they do the same cds

[balmy condor]

we kissing?

[tawdry mica]

Right, I really wanted to pick it for sub but honestly I'm sticking to sin bleed build for the rest of the season I enjoy it a lot more

[halcyon grail]

KISSING?!