assassination

[spice surge]

With sudden demise it is

[brave comet]

so just not in ST / Caustic cleave

[spice surge]

But demise is not feasible in raids... yet

[brave comet]

i see

[brisk badge]

Question does chain pulls in M+ affects overall dps so much ?? if i didnt go to stealthb couple of times for example

[balmy condor]

it's a pretty common misconception

[balmy condor]

no

[runic hinge]

It’s interesting cause it feels better to rupture adds on like let’s say stix and get the energy regen plus the burst when they die but obviously the math doesn’t say it’s better.

[spice surge]

Ye it feels good

But when you look at it like i pointed out earlier, youre getting 2 mutilates instead of an envenom

Which is not a worthwhile trade

You need to rupture to deal some damage too for it to be worth

[balmy dome]

on 1arm bandit, do you guys spread bleeds to the adds?

[haughty flicker]

any day now

we demise maxx in raid

[fallow canopy]

soon

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Maybe my raid is just leaving the adds up long enough for me (I had a 97 in our heroic kill)

[spice surge]

Surely next tier they rework darkest night to work on rupture or some shit so we can play bleed in raid

[lean plover]

Always thought it should replace mutilate or whatever with a stronger ability

like aldrachi and glaive

[desert crest]

Just make rupture stack

[haughty flicker]

[compact peak]

Is there a spark catch up if you miss one week?

[haughty flicker]

yes

you can get catchup spark fragments from raid bosses and keys

[plucky pasture]

anyone know on tre 3rd boss of DFC the Candle King when statues remain on shit and u go to clear them if u use Cloack of Shadow them didn't go away? u need to take damage for clearing them?

[spice surge]

Cloaking removes the debuff that melts the candles

[plucky pasture]

ok

[spice surge]

(the circle visual stays for some reason, but the actual debuff is gone)

So ye dont cloak when you have that

[haughty flicker]

yeah i definitely didnt nearly wipe because i didnt know that and used cloak to go into the wax

[plucky pasture]

ok cool just broke a 15 this way

lessgosky

[west orbit]

Is it still beneficial to macro Thistle Tea into Shiv? Whispyr's rotation guide says to use them together. I'm assuming the benefit of the added mastery into burst windows outweighs the potential overcap on energy?

[past bobcat]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[spice surge]

It typically doesnt overcap either

[west orbit]

Yeah, I was using that macro, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something that was no longer necessary. Ty 😄

[shrewd night]

Amerifriends

Show me your vaults

[oblique jackal]

I got my first ever 94 parse on Vex on heroic

woot woot

[viscid spear]

Almost wiped because of that, lol

[autumn lynx]

what amount of haste should you be shooting for in m+ or doesnt it really matter with the bleed energy regen

[spice surge]

it doesnt really matter

[autumn lynx]

word

[spice surge]

Would recommend to just compare your items in a Dslice topgear sim

[autumn lynx]

also is it worth spreading caustic splatter or does it not proc off another one proccing

[spice surge]

Its limited to one target

[autumn lynx]

oh shit

[harsh harbor]

I am doing something incredibly wrong, can anyone see anything standing out here ?

Maybe im letting CS drop?

[fast phoenix]

just came back to rogue... man i feel so energy starved in raid

not fun at all

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[rustic leaf]

Would it be an idea to start your burst around halfway into the pack pull so that your bleeds will be higher and thus the execute triggers faster ?

Or am I high ?

[fast phoenix]

i dont remember it being this bad

[lean plover]

Are you using vicious venoms?

[rustic leaf]

Yes

[lean plover]

You can drop vv and go imo gar+master assasin

[spice surge]

Yesnt. For that pack specifically thats probably worth however youll likely miss casts across the dungeon doing this

Which is less damage overall

[lean plover]

for like <1% less dmg

[spice surge]

holding DM for a couple of seconds to try to get the demise proc at the tail end of it feels worth it to me, but im not entire sure it is

[rustic leaf]

Yes true

So it can be nice on some packs but overall not recommend is the bottom line here ?

[balmy dome]

any tips for 1 arm bandit?

[drifting cloud]

provide emotional support to your ranged while you do tank dmg on adds

[spice surge]

Holding your shivs is fine since you have multiple charges

But DM usually no

[haughty flicker]

ok but worth to see big demise number

[spice surge]

Not wrong

[balmy dome]

lmfao that's what it feels like

[spice surge]

I love being able to send my DM at the tail end of a boss/big mob when the mob has like 125m or something left, your target dying through demise when DM has like 4 seconds left is not fantastic but it feels better than holding DM for a while and losing casts

[haughty flicker]

it feels way better than your kingsbane target dying halfway through thats for sure

[spice surge]

Ye if that was hybrid it would feel bad to have it die with 4s left of kb

Instead i get a 25M demise

[coral ibex]

is there any additional consideration given for restealths with bleed build or do we not really care about imp gar that much more

i suspect not but jw

sheeeeee

[spice surge]

More bleeds are better ye, but also since your envenoms do way less it doesnt matter as much when you have to manually rupture stuff

[coral ibex]

ya thats what i was thinking

vdh was pulling like they had kezan's on (they did)

just an 11 but holy moly we were not stopping

[dawn seal]

question

am I cheesing ilvl parses

some dude says u parse high on the ilvl cuz u have a head piece from last season u practically are 662 item level

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/argent-dawn/cohlê?difficulty=5&bybracket=1

I am very confused am I doing good or bad

[static glacier]

Im litterally that dude

[dawn seal]

oo

really

[static glacier]

yes

[dawn seal]

okay I want a second opinion

haha

[static glacier]

and if ur doing good or bad depends more

on ur button presses

[dawn seal]

[static glacier]

than a parse number

[dawn seal]

yeah but dont u just parse better if u press correct buttons

[static glacier]

no

[dawn seal]

I wanna know what I am doing wrong cuz I got a 61

[static glacier]

there's conditions that matter a lot for parse

[dawn seal]

on none ilvl

[static glacier]

but dont reflect gameplay

kill timers and rng in cds

my best parse on a patchwerk fight in the past (hungering destroyer)

happened

when I played double on use trinkets in reverse as boomkin (GIGA BAD)

I just got lucky

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RWCmw7YyV4vKkjTz?fight=89&type=damage-done&source=1613 can someone tell me what I did wrong

[gray hazel]

Im late, but i dont see Sanguine blades there.

[dawn seal]

cuz a blue parse is bad

[dawn seal]

but arent kinda like between purple and orange like difference that makes

and not blue

[static glacier]

you're using results based logic here

what matters isn't the result, but the process

[dawn seal]

[static glacier]

from a quick look you're playing fine

no obvious issues

[dawn seal]

yeah but then why is the parse blue if its not my gear

🤔

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/spill-issue-oh-no-my-milj-orange-cat-orange-cat-milk-milk-cat-gif-11913986030845101804

[dawn seal]

I heard plenty of occasions if ua re not parsing purples on rekills u are just a bad player I dont know how true that statement is so I just wanna get better

and parsing blue usually is not a gear issue no ?

[static glacier]

one thing im seeing

is you're behind on melee swings to me

despite having higher haste

[dawn seal]

hmm

[static glacier]

are you not 24/7 on vexie?

[dawn seal]

I sometimes like not always

try to dish out a rupture to get more energy

is that a bad thing

[static glacier]

NOT WORTH

those bikes dont live 9s

at best you just FoK them if there's 2 or more on the boss

[dawn seal]

oh isnt it like

4 or more

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[dawn seal]

generally 5

[dawn seal]

oh they also dont die so its bad yeah

[static glacier]

something is up

[dawn seal]

like it doesnt count as the bike died

[static glacier]

with how you're playing kingsbane

i think

[dawn seal]

I only have 1 shiv on it

[static glacier]

you have more haste

[static glacier]

nah thats fine

the dry shiv trick is ok

[dawn seal]

oh I never use clear the witnesses

is that bad also

after the change

[static glacier]

nah its fine

[dawn seal]

I dont know what I am looking at

[static glacier]

during clear the witness it's neutral

[dawn seal]

please explain it

[static glacier]

its also slightly not as bad to use if you have dn

look at kingsbane stacks

284 to 315

[dawn seal]

ohh

[static glacier]

you're either not pooling at all pre kingsbane

[dawn seal]

I think I kinda lose uptime

during it

[static glacier]

or losing uptime

[dawn seal]

oh I never pool

just slma

[static glacier]

it's a gain to chill before solo kingsbanes by like 3-5 globals

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[dawn seal]

yeah but it doesnt affect that much I think right

like its very interesting

I feel like I should be doing more damage

[static glacier]

you also had less darkest nights

you finishing on 5 ?

[dawn seal]

ohh

[static glacier]

outside of dn

[dawn seal]

yeah

but I think 1-2 times I fucked it up

cauldron was a mess but only 1-2 times on the 1st boss

[static glacier]

I actually think you had slightly better rng than me on this boss

for that kill

[dawn seal]

what was ur ilvl

[static glacier]

665

[dawn seal]

hmm

[static glacier]

im talking about the 10 more blindsides

[dawn seal]

ohh yeah I know

[static glacier]

you somehow put out less dns

with more haste and more blindsides

[dawn seal]

I sometimes cap

on cp

during cds is that normal

[mint valve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn seal]

when I shiv kb

[static glacier]

thats ok

if you were to put on a myth track helm you'd gain like 3.2 ilvls immediately

also stop griefing and put a 2nd socket and gem on ur neck

also crystaline radiance gives more agil than Stormrider's Agility

anyways this is all minor

compared to just keeping uptime

that's the main thing, ur playing fine

as for killtime thing if we had 1 more person in the raid we'd instantly go up like 2-5 percentiles in log

boss would die right as execute intermission ends around 6m 6-30

atleast for me i'd have done same dps as my last log on the boss which was 3.49m which was 99

[sharp viper]

https://imgur.com/a/qcc3s7C

[snow hamlet]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[hardy prairie]

yall running bleed or hybrid in 12's rn?

[balmy condor]

bleed everywhere

[low thicket]

[snow hamlet]

[viscid spear]

[hidden bay]

How did you get it? Did everyone else including healers and tanks get it already?

[vale lantern]

my deathstalker mark tracker is mixing between me and the other assassin rogue in raid 😦

[hidden bay]

Yes. Very annoying

My extra plater icon for mark is showing both aswell

[inland escarp]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[vale lantern]

what section is this under

[viscid spear]

Won with a 94, against 10 people

[balmy condor]

the trigger

[vale lantern]

thank youuu

[hidden bay]

[vale lantern]

and you 😄

[hidden bay]

Menace

[viscid spear]

It's dropped pretty often for us tbh

[coral ibex]

wow really happy for you

[viscid spear]

Problem is no one is getting it in Vault

[coral ibex]

my guild has killed normal and heroic bandit every week and gotten 0 house of cards drops

and i think maybe 3 of us have gotten it in vault

crazy work

[slim copper]

so it turns out if you shadow step to rik while you are in the wave phase, you will die even if the wave has gone out already...

seems a little counter intuitive

[balmy condor]

not entirely true

you can step it

but it's very finnicky

[slim copper]

maybe i was too early?

ok

[balmy condor]

the hitbox is massive

[coral ibex]

it has an enormous ass

you can cloak it tho iirc

[vital flicker]

I thought it was physical damage

[slim copper]

i didnt think to pop a defensive beforehand thought i was cheesing it lol

[balmy condor]

cannot cloak it

[coral ibex]

can't immune it with first second?

[vital flicker]

But they can try

[coral ibex]

havent tried personally

our final pop up is always omega far

[quaint flare]

luckily cheat is pretty effective against it

[coral ibex]

can't step to him

[viscid spear]

I try not to step most of these bosses, their hitboxes seem sketchy

[severe sparrow]

i love stepping gally

very accurate

good positioning

[spice spire]

So true

[primal egret]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/juno-overwatch-ow2-gaming-flying-gif-16334023792353955623

[severe sparrow]

im actually way too fucking tired to be playing rn and somehow stepped to him, out of the hole cuz i got booped in

[viscid spear]

Gally prog right now, so let's see

[severe sparrow]

also i got a dumb hypothetical cuz im not thinking good right now but

[balmy dome]

You guys spreading bleeds on 1ab in cds?

[ebon steppe]

Is strict sequence apl reliable？idk how to work a set of apl but i need some sim to verify some thought

Not skilled enough to write a real apl

[severe sparrow]

how many seconds-ish does it take to ramp up all our shit like amp poison stacks and all that crap on a new target to the point where it's like the same as the target we swapped from? not that im actually trying to math out target swapping cuz i know better than that but like, im just wondering about it and for some reason i have 15-ish seconds in my head from somewhere

[uneven plume]

@balmy condor you need to cook a new build for raid. VV is dog water

[runic hinge]

Mutilate does big dam now tho

[uneven plume]

when its actually available

[runic hinge]

It’s always available if you just proc blindside more

[spice spire]

that's not mut is it

[dawn kelp]

@balmy condor I was messin with ur wa pack, if i want to add more icons to first row by updating variable, do i need to adjust combopoints / energy width too or does it dynamically size

[runic hinge]

Can you press anything else when you proc blindside or are you ignoring the lit up button

[median roost]

hi, could someone take a look at my sprocket log? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RP6MKbFhLrz94GYd?fight=33&type=damage-done

[sour elm]

quick Q, how do we juggle our mark on carnage?

[silk sundial]

Either A, swap when you get Darkest Night or B, now that vanish is not rotational vanish and ambush

[slate crown]

You will likely also need to adjust combo points / energy.

[sour elm]

ok ty

[balmy condor]

what does this mean

[balmy condor]

VV is very cool

[balmy condor]

should update auto

[viscid spear]

Clearly he is Ray Charles

[balmy condor]

depends how many you're adding I guess

wait

what is "first row"

is it the mark

or the rotational stuff

if you're adding to the mark, no issue

if it's the rotational stuff you'd need to adjust everything

[ebon steppe]

Like an apl that casts a,b,c,d in strict order

actions+=/strict_sequence,name=a🅱️c:d
Kinda like that

[abstract warren]

Are all 3 specs close enough to say fuck it play what you want or is there one doing more damage in m+ than the other?

[obsidian walrus]

in M+ if you run bleed build do you still just rupture and garrote 5

or do you just bleed em all up

[hidden bay]

What answer are you hoping for?

[violet jackal]

is that mythic?

[hidden bay]

Ask your guild to stop dmg or jump off for one more set of cds

[viscid spear]

Heroic

[severe sparrow]

i just stepped in the hole again to make sure

[turbid sandal]

do you guys go ST or Cleave on heroic MugZee? Feel like I have very little time on adds

[slim copper]

on H Lockenstock... not too shabby. Not sure what my parse is yet because logs havent been uploaded yet

[balmy condor]

would have to change how the rest of the APL works

generally we don't do that cause strict sequences like that are just straight up worse than having actual logic

[ebon steppe]

yes i just realized it

[balmy condor]

whats the idea

[ebon steppe]

Wanna try to cast envenom with 2+cp and supercharger instead of 5+ cp and supercharger

Idk if it's ok

[balmy condor]

[dawn kelp]

gotcha thanks

[balmy condor]

you don't need a strict sequence for that lmao

but yes, that's generally fine

[balmy dome]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

it's just also not better

so it just ends up being added logic for no reason

[ebon steppe]

Yeah i know that, but if we cast envenom that way instead of the normal way, with signet of the priory, the last dn envenom will be casted in last 2-3s of trinket buff

so more dmg i thought

with house of cards I will not cast envenom that way

[fast phoenix]

thistle tea being used sub 30 is very frustrating wont lie

[ebon steppe]

True

the whole auto tea thing is kinda frustrating

and weird

But it's good for ur health tho

[fast phoenix]

i thought i was going crazy and a macro was doing it

[ebon steppe]

drink more water guys

[fast phoenix]

kind of sucks when it blows thru all your teas and you had no intention of taking one

[ebon steppe]

Good for ur kidney(s)

[fast phoenix]

forcing me to pool energy so i dont go below 30 is annoying

[balmy condor]

okay well that's even more worthless lmao you're changing a single envenom every 2 minutes sometimes maybe if your crits line up?

sims are not accurate enough for that

[runic hinge]

You just macro tea to shiv and take it off your bar

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[runic hinge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[fast phoenix]

i like to micro manage it, i dotn like macro to shiv

[runic hinge]

Okay well you’re doing it for zero gain have fun tho

[fast phoenix]

didnt realize you were privy to my gameplay and saw when i use it

dumb comment lol

[rain oyster]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Based on your comment. You don’t even know when you’re using it lol

[fast phoenix]

ok

[balmy condor]

leave guy alone tony

[blissful spire]

[fast phoenix]

go outside tony

[balmy condor]

that doesn't mean you get to fire back for free

[dapper cradle]

any degen coomers in chat tonight?

[balmy condor]

both of you can go on vacation

quit squabbling

[dapper cradle]

double mute angle?

[fast phoenix]

abrasive for no reason

[near valley]

peak gooner hours?

[dapper cradle]

[near valley]

[hollow talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/705526169901990028.webp?size=96

[viscid spear]

[ebon steppe]

No i mean in entire deathmark，influence like 3 envenom casts per deathmark, it made amp less powerful(or more in some certain circumstances)but we'll get a big gold dn
And after that, i mean if that is ok, maybe 2nd shiv could be delayed like 2-3 gcd(cuz we don't use arterial anymore so shiv won't buff deathmark and it's bleed duplicates anymore), so the dn right after deathmark may be casted while lingering, shiv, signet, and amp if not jinxed

anyway, just a thought

[balmy condor]

this is the biggest overthinking I've ever seen in my life

[hidden bay]

I can’t believe what I am reading

[dapper cradle]

this is outlaw tc-chat level of overthinking

[bright turret]

chads just press their buttons and let the nerds do the theorycrafting

[vital flicker]

can we just go back to talking about being degen gooners instead of assassination theorycrafting?

[bright turret]

that's not the same thing ?

[vital flicker]

true

[median roost]

was just wondering if I was doing something wrong. damage didn't feel great.

[hidden bay]

Only looked what you did the first cooldown window but if you kept playing like this then there’s nothing else you can do

[ebon steppe]

Enjoying the game

[haughty flicker]

abusing 3% buff to parse

good night

[ebon steppe]

Cool man

[haughty flicker]

why are you not pink anymore

[ebon steppe]

Congrats

[violet jackal]

Don't worry i'm coming for them numbers sunday night 👍

[haughty flicker]

yeah im gonna get clapped once people actually start raiding this week

[dreamy rover]

bel are you ok?

[haughty flicker]

im going to try to sneak sin into rik

[dreamy rover]

the buffs have been up

[ebon steppe]

Don't worry i'm coming for them numbers 2months later 👍

[dreamy rover]

for a week now

[haughty flicker]

this week is another 3% brother

[dreamy rover]

what??????????????????????????

[ebon steppe]

Next week

[dreamy rover]

what

[haughty flicker]

6%

[dreamy rover]

feel like im being trolled

oh lol

ffs

[haughty flicker]

how is this news

oh you thought i meant sin

lmao get fucked nerd

[dreamy rover]

dude i thought you meant the 3% buff last week LOL

[ebon steppe]

I got 99.5 best avg in first 7 bosses last raid and a team play got me 70 in queen
Whole wcl score is destroyed

[haughty flicker]

i have a 19 parse as sub on rik

because idk how to play sub but i just pressed buttons on barrels

so that we would kill

[ebon steppe]

Yes man

Assa is kinda weird in that fight

probably that's the only boss sub is better than assa

[ebon steppe]

Spatter thing

won't spatter correctly unless rikk is right above the barrel

[vital flicker]

Just tell your raid that you can't do the mines because mechanics are for beta cucks and you want to blast

[median roost]

will do

[cinder geode]

could i get a log review ? my damage isnt where id like it to be

my ST rotation doesnt seem wrong but i dont do as much

[rancid wind]

should I be trying to pool energy and stuff before Kingsbane so that I have as much energy for Mut into Envenom as I can while its up?

[balmy condor]

on the non-deathmark ones it's like 0.3% to pool

otherwise no

[rancid wind]

kk

[vital haven]

do you proc teh darkest night at 6 with fok right

even with VV

[balmy condor]

no

I mean you can, it's neutral

but it's not something you should be trying for

[vital haven]

kk ty

[merry marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cerulean nest]

what's the play on OAB adds

[past bobcat]

man the dry shiv env

[hidden bay]

Stay on boss, tell your tanks to tank boss in the middle of adds so you can spatter both adds

If you got all dots up and want to tryhard you can rupture the add which is not getting killed

[onyx coyote]

House of Cards question: Do I only use it paired with deathmark or whenever its off cd?

[hidden bay]

Only with DM

[hidden bay]

But here aswell, some people do that, some don’t

[slim copper]

getting the hang of this whole assa thing...

[onyx coyote]

wish i could pull that not sure exactly what i'm missing though could just be trinkets and ilvl

[vital haven]

nice

[polar timber]

is there a plater script that reduces alpha of nameplates if they have bleeds on them or something

would be sick if there was

[slim copper]

not sure but try this....

i really like this one. One of my guildies shared it with me

if not allowed to share this way, sorry

[haughty flicker]

i improved my 19 sub parse on rik to a 42

progress

unfortunately im not benched on stix

[rancid wind]

my first good parse on a real chaotic prog boss

[haughty flicker]

huge

[rancid wind]

for Lockenfucker

[haughty flicker]

thats big

[rancid wind]

i have forever struggled with chaotic bosses on rogue

[polar timber]

try taking ur daggers off and using ur fists

[bright tartan]

I like to embrace chaos especially on sub and giga yolo improvise on fly

[polar timber]

this is a script right?

[rancid wind]

chaotic bosses are really the only thing that i tend to do better on my Monk than my Rogue

[barren yarrow]

I’m having a mid spec crisis

[bright tartan]

then spec outlaw

[barren yarrow]

I was playing sub in raid but now I wanna play sin lol

Ewww fuck no

[slim copper]

nah you import that into plater.

[gray hazel]

Is with out of trace a lot more valueable now with bleed build compared to hybrid?

I saw some peeps go down the Forced induction route instead of without a trace

[balmy condor]

not really more valuable, people running forced induction instead of without a trace are just lunatics

[coral ibex]

one shot rik tn with 2 assa rogues

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[barren yarrow]

So I can play sin in my sub gear yeah?

[haughty flicker]

pretty much

[barren yarrow]

Is there anyone with an epic sub that could help me sim a boss fight

[haughty flicker]

the duality of man

[barren yarrow]

lol 😂

seems about right

[haughty flicker]

me playing sub like a handless lemur with a terminal illness is still highest barrel damage so we do what we have to do

i got a daggy tonight so good night

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[slim copper]

me too but hero track =\

[haughty flicker]

if it was an upgrade we still take those

[slim copper]

oh absolutely it was

[haughty flicker]

yeah we take those for sure

[low hare]

For M+. Kezan + HoC or Amplifier + HoC?

[slim copper]

Y'all got options??? damn

[low hare]

all 665 ilvl

[balmy condor]

whatever sims higher

but I'd probably avoid kezan

[slim copper]

i got a trash ass trinket and Signet

[balmy condor]

uptime on that thing is questionable

[devout thicket]

would you ever run HoC and Signet or is that just terrible?

[balmy condor]

awful

[devout thicket]

So I guess if I get Signet at myth track and I have HoC and pacemaker at hero I swap out HoC?

[balmy condor]

your second trinket would buff nothing

if you have signet myth you run the pacemaker

[low hare]

Yea it Sims higher, but that's exactly my point, the stack building/drop off between pulls

[balmy condor]

pray for a good tank that chains a lot

[barren yarrow]

Ok I have a question. In single target ( raid ) the sim wants me to take different gems then my M+ so is that just too much min max and I should keep gems or.

[low hare]

As a rule, always one on use, and one passive trink, since the before time, the long long ago

[balmy condor]

don't bother with gem sims

[barren yarrow]

ok 👍🏼

[balmy condor]

there's like a trillion gem combinations that all sim completely equal

which is why they take so ass long in the first place

[barren yarrow]

yeah I kinda realized that it wouldn’t be as big then actual gear.

[balmy condor]

making a dent in the ozone layer by heating up the server farm trying to sim if crit/mast or mast/crit is better

300 thousand iterations later the sim still has no clue

[barren yarrow]

lol 😂 ok fair. I will fuck right off with gems

[naive sandal]

I am getting ready to craft the Everforged stabber for my rogue. Statwise should i just go Crit mastery or should i sim best stats and use the stats that it recommends

[balmy condor]

crit/mast is fine

daggers have the least secondaries out of any piece of gear

won't really matter what you do

outside of mainhand item level, daggers end up being transmog more than anything else

[naive sandal]

My guild is currently progging on Gally and i am having issues staying alive during the scatter shot thingy. I use my evasion for the first and my cloak for the second. what can i do for the third to avoid death?

[barren yarrow]

Jesus zeross sub is slapping lol 😂

[balmy condor]

I assume you're already feinting, so that's all you got

[naive sandal]

yeah

[balmy condor]

could run elusiveness I guess

[barren yarrow]

and cloak of you are about to shit your pants.

which I don’t think that helps?

[balmy condor]

idk how hard it hits on mythic

haven't gotten there yet

[barren yarrow]

Same

pinging all CE Gallywix rogues

[balmy condor]

it seems just liveable with feint though

idk

[naive sandal]

ok i might need to re order my defensives then

[barren yarrow]

yeah honestly. Take elusiveness and save cloak for that.

[naive sandal]

the third one is the issue more than anything else

[haughty flicker]

you definitely save cloak for last one

[barren yarrow]

definitely save cloak then. We got a lot of defensive but

[balmy condor]

does the third one have an overlap on mythic

that sounds horrid

[barren yarrow]

ewww

idk

[naive sandal]

oh i am on Heroic not mythic lol

[balmy condor]

oh

[barren yarrow]

🧐

[balmy condor]

well then it's a healer issue lmao

[haughty flicker]

its probably just the way his raid is doing healer cds

[barren yarrow]

yeah lol 😂

[naive sandal]

oh

[haughty flicker]

my guild had the same issue

[balmy condor]

you're probably dying to the heal absorb not the actual damage

[naive sandal]

well shit haha

[barren yarrow]

hahahah

[naive sandal]

ok that solves that issue haha

[barren yarrow]

Yeah lol

[haughty flicker]

i mean you definitely start saving cloak for third one anyway

[naive sandal]

I thought i was fucking it up somehow

[barren yarrow]

definitely

[haughty flicker]

because i'd bet money your healers have used most of their stuff by then

if you're struggling there

[balmy condor]

yeh it doesn't do shit for damage, the heal absorb/popping after is the hard part

so that's just dying to shit healers

[naive sandal]

We are making it to the final phase now. But it is still getting rather scary at times in P1

[haughty flicker]

p1 is the whole fight so you got this

[naive sandal]

Biggest issue in our last few pulls was that our tanks were getting popped and then we called it til tomorrow

[barren yarrow]

I have faith

[earnest remnant]

Feint is more than fine apart from the third frontal in both p2 and p3

[naive sandal]

on a side note, my sim tells me to take a heroic tier piece, but i have a decent statted mythic cloak. Is it worth it to just take the mythic item?

[balmy condor]

gotcha

[naive sandal]

difference is only 2k damage

[balmy condor]

2k is in margin

would assume your stats are kinda out of whack if 13 ilvl is within margin

probably take the myth cloak if no other clear option and fix the stats over time

[barren yarrow]

I had todo that with a myth track tier helm

from vault

[balmy condor]

that tier helm is ass

[barren yarrow]

but like, what else goes there lol

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[barren yarrow]

yeah

[silk sundial]

Is my dmg breakdown for bleed build wrong? Should garrote be higher?

[naive sandal]

My stats atm

[barren yarrow]

Get hekili off your computer now

[balmy condor]

idk maybe a ton of crit but it's really just a sim question

can't tell shit just from "here stat"

[naive sandal]

First season being rogue, I needed it lol

[balmy condor]

looks right

[barren yarrow]

If you plan on playing the spec hit those dummies brother

[balmy condor]

probably could've garroted more

but nothing really out of the ordinary

[silk sundial]

i probably scuffed some shiv's and could probably spread bleeds more

[barren yarrow]

What level key is that

[naive sandal]

Is hekil that wrong?

[balmy condor]

it's kinda ass

[barren yarrow]

No im just opposed to it and if its not updated it sucks

and it doesn’t account for thing like a second shiv or proper CD windows.

[slim copper]

it also kinda keeps you from actually understanding the spec

[barren yarrow]

that too

[naive sandal]

For me it was a bit of a performance issue. My guild wanted me to go rogue, and my numbers were bad til I started using it to get a better feel for the spec

[barren yarrow]

ok hold on

think of it this way

would you rather be dogshit and learn overtime or be a fake parsing machine.

[hidden bay]

Fake parsing machine 💯 🔥

[naive sandal]

…considering how archon does….fake parsing machine 🙂

[barren yarrow]

idk 🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m honest in that regard because people take ALOT of time over time to perfect rotation and then share it with the world.

[naive sandal]

Only rotation I have truly got down is my feral Druid.

[barren yarrow]

rogue is the smallest community by far but yet everyone wants one in raid lol.

and we pumpy pump pump

[naive sandal]

Yeah and I drew short straw because I was one of 4 hunters haha

[slim copper]

goodnight all! 🙂

[barren yarrow]

Night gumberino

[naive sandal]

An expendable class so to speak

[barren yarrow]

I mean shit I’ll help you tomorrow with rotation

it’s also good to not have to rely on it so you can catch stuff on the fly like oh hekili is telling me to use kingsbane 5 seconds before rick intermission lol.

You’ll press it without thinking about shit like that imo

[naive sandal]

Oh, I don’t trust it on bosses with burn phases.

For that I hold pot, trinket, and death mark

[barren yarrow]

you do you I’m just giving my 2 cents.

but anytime you need help with rotation and stuff someone here is willing to help.

[earnest remnant]

Keep both dots up if true spend on envenom instead DN procs build to 7 for big envenom. Repeat

[barren yarrow]

you’re literally in the class discord

I just wanna know how I can get 21m envenom procs

[earnest remnant]

Press it hard

[naive sandal]

Is there a dot tracking wa I can use?

[barren yarrow]

Hahah

[earnest remnant]

Many

[naive sandal]

Mostly for Garo the and rupture

Garrote

[earnest remnant]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[earnest remnant]

Any of the groups has em

[grand trail]

pacemaker again

[naive sandal]

Which of these is the most user friendly?

[grand trail]

that trinket isnt even good when i have kezan

[barren yarrow]

most user friendly go with whispers edit in my opinion

LEs is good to very bold

[shell crater]

Hey all, I just wanna verify something with you's

Apparently a myth track geargrinder key is stronger than a champ track eye of kezan according to sims? That sounds super wrong. I just wanna make sure theres no issues with simming those particular things atm

https://imgur.com/lEJyfUV

[haughty flicker]

i mean yeah thats a lot of ilvl so it tracks

[dapper cradle]

if you really want to make sure, sim it at 7 mins

[haughty flicker]

kezan gains value in longer sims

yeah

[shell crater]

gotcha, thanks

[dapper cradle]

kezan might be better for mythic prog? but the ilvl diff might be too good

[real pike]

Never seen a more 7/10 vault in my life

[cerulean walrus]

Alrighty we got the build

[haughty flicker]

idk man i could use that ring

[dapper cradle]

myth leg tier?

kinda pog?

[real pike]

It's an ilvl upgrade for sure but no big boi trinkies yet this tier

[naive sandal]

TY for the help guys and gals.

[grand trail]

hc kezan too strong cant pick up mythic pacemaeker sadge

[haughty flicker]

oh yeah i got a weapon so i can finally start trolling people on outlaw

[shell crater]

Ah! At 7 minutes its very different https://imgur.com/XDi6wZF

[haughty flicker]

yeah kezan is big in longer fights

only really happens in mythic raid though

so depends on what content you do

[dapper cradle]

i mean

that's still like

less than .1%?

[haughty flicker]

yeah

[dapper cradle]

really depends on what you're doing bro

[haughty flicker]

i would take the keys

[shell crater]

Worth jsut the tokens maybe?

the keys

[grand trail]

nah keys

sux

dont take

[dapper cradle]

do you have a myth helm or bracers to socket?

[shell crater]

Not yet, I got hero ones

I'm doing mythic raiding, for context

i'm currently 2/8m, about to be 3/8

[dapper cradle]

what does the rest of your vault look like

[shell crater]

https://imgur.com/C76ot3u

bit lacking I know

I was away for the weekend haha

[dapper cradle]

hmm might just be a socket angle ngl

[haughty flicker]

thats uh

[dapper cradle]

nothing wrong with taking a socket

[haughty flicker]

a rough vault

[shell crater]

Yup

[dapper cradle]

i took a socket this week

[shell crater]

xD

Right, appreciate the info 😄

[real pike]

Just to be clear, don't socket a hero track item

Save it for a mythic one

[dapper cradle]

yes please don't socket a hero track item

[grand trail]

why the pacemaker sux so much against kezan

hate it

[haughty flicker]

idk, even on a 7 minute sim heroic kezan is within moe of my pacemaker

[indigo mulch]

oh my ;s thats 3 very good items lol

[haughty flicker]

mythic eye is giga though

[haughty flicker]

big vault

[verbal blaze]

might as well roll a die

[indigo mulch]

Nah, seaforuim without a doubt.

all 3 are good, but pants i can get from raid and wrists are meh overall.

[grand trail]

we are no longer reclaering apparently

and i did not looted much froim raid since the start unlucky

only item from raid i wear is bracers 😄

[devout pine]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[indigo mulch]

it hurts not taking pants tho since i only have 658 pants on hc

but like.. i will never see a trinket again.

More upgrade to get myth track pants and upgrade em

[grand trail]

i have pacemaker second time there

[indigo mulch]

[grand trail]

and about to pass it second time 😄

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short sedge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[real pike]

Yeah but you'll never get it until you've cleared raid

Unless dinars are still gonna be a thing?

[rotund oak]

dinars are confirmed

[real pike]

Poggers

[haughty flicker]

Well also that was more me saying pacemaker is better for me unless I somehow get mythic eye

And I’m not playing until next season once we kill gally anyway lmao

[subtle tundra]

awesome so where from

[rotund oak]

form the catchup system they gonna announce

[cinder geode]

How would yall go about making it so the nameplate of whichever mob has deathstalkers mark is differently coloured to make it easy to find?

[golden loom]

lets fucking go

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/realization-nick-whats-going-on-big-guy-i-watched-you-do-it-with-my-own-two-feet-gif-27630828

nice.

[real pike]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[real pike]

Cev's has it

[coral ibex]

you been on sprocket yet

[real pike]

Whispyr's might too but I use Cev

[golden loom]

yeah we did like 40 pulls after killing stix

just rapid fire sending pulls

[shy creek]

@golden loom figure u might know, do you know if blessing of the bronze affects shadowstep

[coral ibex]

yea i mean theres not much to discuss between pulls

thaddius is a vanilla world of warcraft boss

[golden loom]

nah only sprint

[coral ibex]

and sprocket is like 80% thaddius 15% pre-strafing 5% hitting the gateway shard at the right time

[shy creek]

heard ty

[golden loom]

(I may or may not have bought a gateway shard after raid cause I had no idea that was a thing)

[coral ibex]

bro i thought they were consumables

i bought 100

[golden loom]

I clicked that shit natty midair

Worked 1/3 times

[coral ibex]

gaming

[subtle tundra]

30% not have a mage be dumb and blink into people

fucking mages

[coral ibex]

yea but if you add my 75% chance to be in a raid with only 1 mage

[golden loom]

Fighting the urge to shadowstep is hard also

[coral ibex]

and multiply it by my raid's mage's stupidity factor

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt know im a monk

[coral ibex]

you'll see its actually 100%

not have a mage be dumb

tonight was my first prog night on the boss bc i was playing ff14 all last week and i can't believe they progged this boss for more than 1 night

guy's a joke between the nerfs and the ilvl/cartel buff

[golden loom]

As melee the fight really is just 90% target dummy

Tanks have the hard job for sure

[subtle tundra]

tanks have it hard 🍆

[winged sun]

guys

is pacemaker bis in any situation at 678?

@spice spire

trying to decide whether i pick it or a 668 head with avoidance

[golden loom]

pacemaker for sure right?

also since ur mainly m+ing that shit just cranks

[dawn heath]

Thought pissmaker was bis

[brisk forge]

I’d pick peace for sure

[dawn heath]

Thats a snap take vault

Zeros ragebaiting ?

[coral ibex]

sun rises in the morning

what else is new

[pliant remnant]

[lost wharf]

Can you somehow sim to evaluate if a socket is a bigger gain than an Item from Vault?

[warm vortex]

Hoping everyones vault was good as mine

[haughty flicker]

you can add a socket to whatever item in top gear

and sim it alongside the vault items

[warm vortex]

Hey bel

[haughty flicker]

you'd have to have a pretty shit vault for that to be better though

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/glaggleland-giggler-wave-hi-hello-gif-1778682153299136113

[haughty flicker]

hello ven

[lost wharf]

But it always adds the socket and still takes a Vault item

[balmy condor]

sim them separately

[haughty flicker]

then i'd do two seperate sims

[balmy condor]

one sim with vault

[haughty flicker]

yeah

[balmy condor]

one sim with socket

[lost wharf]

Ok

Was hoping it'd work in one

[dawn heath]

I sprocket on her socket til i

[haughty flicker]

somehow ive managed to avoid having to take a socket this tier

actually the best vault luck ive had in my entire life

[warm vortex]

How is everyone and their vaults?
I got mythic wrists with ok stats on lock
and mythic head with perfect stats AND a socket on hunter (gonna make my gun soon too)

[coral ibex]

she sprock on my socket until my monger locks

[haughty flicker]

this weeks vault

[plain spruce]

@balmy condor what did you end up getting in your vault today

[warm vortex]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

I took chest

[warm vortex]

Correct me if im wrong

but that's rlly good

Right

Mast + crit head

[haughty flicker]

better than what i had

and can cata it in future

if needed

[warm vortex]

Yeye

King shit

Also wish these goggles were red

would go hard

Sadly i aint an engi so i can't use the other goggle mogs

[haughty flicker]

thats such a silly restriction

[warm vortex]

It is yea

also

My stats look amazing for BM and tbh not horrid for assassination

WAY to much haste tho lol

And not enough mast

[lost wharf]

It's actually 4k better 🥲

[warm vortex]

But hey
I finished S1 with like 20% haste on assa due to sims

[haughty flicker]

thats a lot of haste

1% vers is based though

[subtle shard]

Remnant of darkness as only myth track in vault 🥲
sims worse than my champion delve trinkets

[fathom crown]

Noobie question: do you have tricks keybound or just in a macro with another spell?

[dreamy rover]

@balmy condor please remove "raid council" 😭

[grim jay]

thats not even true

[haughty flicker]

gems do not sim well for me

[grim jay]

you can have good items that might have better stats in the vault and the socket can be better

[haughty flicker]

certainly not the 4k extra that they apparently got

[balmy condor]

whats wrong with it

[dreamy rover]

we're not on council anymore 😦

[balmy condor]

I have it on some fuck off key like ctrl+q or something

[balmy condor]

what

[warm vortex]

Yea, can't get a perma 0% due to the blasphemite

[balmy condor]

council is a fightstyle

[dreamy rover]

oh lol

[balmy condor]

[dreamy rover]

you wouldnt imagine what my head did there

couldnt even form a sentence trying to explain it

[grim jay]

what is that abomination

[balmy condor]

even if I wanted to get rid of that, it doesn't really make sense cause that's the build that's recommended on stix

and even if I didn't use the build at all, I STILL couldn't get rid of it

[balmy condor]

cause it's there for SEO and taking it out of the guide would be the decision of not my boss

[warm vortex]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

but my boss's boss

[warm vortex]

why is this here

I don't play assassination personally

Has no use for me

Smh Smh

[balmy condor]

we're required to have a raid council build in the guides for google bullshit

[haughty flicker]

do we play bleed build in delves

[dreamy rover]

yhea im just cooked

[warm vortex]

Searh indexing or whatever it's called?

[dreamy rover]

oh SEO shit

[balmy condor]

SEO

[dreamy rover]

good luck during boss

[balmy condor]

delve boss

[warm vortex]

Anyway now to do korthia dailes again

[grim jay]

I just realized there is no council fight

[haughty flicker]

me when i just swap to st on boss

[grim jay]

uh

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-cat-gif-9398984413176059659

[haughty flicker]

mugzee council boss

you have mug

and you have zee

[warm vortex]

Muggy and zeezee

[balmy condor]

the very scary delve boss that dies in 20 seconds and barely survives a deathmark

[warm vortex]

I wonder if they have 2 cocks

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

Or is it like one

[dreamy rover]

i wasnt aware they made council of dreams a fightstyle name

[warm vortex]

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?????????????????????

[dreamy rover]

or it isnt from there

[warm vortex]

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[dreamy rover]

and im cooked as shit

[balmy condor]

council of DREAMS?????????

[golden loom]

until they are a tier 11 boss

[balmy condor]

dog what year is it

[haughty flicker]

council of dreams famously the first ever council fight

[mystic osprey]

Council of Whispyrss

[dreamy rover]

nah im confused

[golden loom]

Illidari council

[dreamy rover]

getting clowned on in the assassination text channel

im fucking lost out here

[balmy condor]

I mean you are saying some shit man

[grim jay]

council of dreams famously the worst council fight

ngl

[balmy condor]

where the hell did council of dreams come from

[haughty flicker]

hm

maybe

it did have ducks though

so can it really be the worst council fight

[dreamy rover]

literally the only council boss fight I knew the name of off the top of my head lol

[grim jay]

which made it suck even more

[balmy condor]

we just had silken court

last patch

[grim jay]

best council fight was in castle nathria

fight me

[red schooner]

Court ain't a council smh

[haughty flicker]

SASHAY LEFT

[subtle tundra]

dance you

[coral ibex]

BOOGIE DOWN

[subtle tundra]

dumbass

[red schooner]

Different names

[grim jay]

SHIMMY RIGHT

[haughty flicker]

yeah you cant really call a court a council

[twin hull]

how do you guys open when playing bleed build in m+ st boss? like ambush > garrote > rup > garrotex2 > CT > DM > shiv...mutix2 then apply envenom or envenom before dm?

[balmy condor]

💀

[haughty flicker]

they serve different functions

[red schooner]

ye exactly

[dreamy rover]

i wasnt even aware what a "council" fight-style was so

yo im lost yall

[grim jay]

its just a fight that has multiple boss targets

[balmy condor]

you would ambush->garrote->rupture->amb->amb->ct->deathmark

yeah

it's heavy aoe

multiple target

[dreamy rover]

oh gotcha

[balmy condor]

ovi'nax technically counts for the sake of the guide

as would stix

[haughty flicker]

nah

[balmy condor]

even though they're not "traditional" council fights

they just have giga aoe

[haughty flicker]

aint no way we're asking hyenas and dumbasses with jetpacks their opinions on the council

[balmy condor]

the "traditional" council fights would be your silken court, council of dreams, forgotten experiments

primal council

uhhhh

prototype pantheon

[grim jay]

I sometimes feel like we have dumbasses with jetpacks telling us their opinions in here tho

[balmy condor]

the nine

council of blood, stone legion generals

[red schooner]

I dunno the hyenas may have valid points we should hear them out

[haughty flicker]

almost me but i dont have a jetpack yet

[dreamy rover]

and with this image ill log off

[grim jay]

lucky you

I wouldve fought you if you didnt name those

[dreamy rover]

ty for the laughs and knowledge of the day

[haughty flicker]

if it doesnt have council in the name it isnt a council fight

and i will die on this hill

[balmy condor]

real

[grim jay]

do we ever have ST fights then? because they never have that in their names

[polar timber]

this bleed build feels so good

[haughty flicker]

there hasnt been a patchwerk fight since patchwerk

[grim jay]

based

[polar timber]

sudden demise pops are just euphoric

[red schooner]

Never been a boss named cleave

smh

[subtle tundra]

there literally was one in sepulcher

[kind forge]

Council in dazar alor best council

[haughty flicker]

his name wasnt patchwerk

[red schooner]

Not called patchwerk doesn't count

[haughty flicker]

so not a patchwerk fight

catch up varas come on

[balmy condor]

conclave of the chosen?

[subtle tundra]

i will have

your

mother

[balmy condor]

💀

[subtle tundra]

in my bedroom

[balmy condor]

that fight was so ass

[subtle tundra]

and then

like

make her feel loved

cause she now has a son

that is cool

[grim jay]

can you make me feel loved tho

[subtle tundra]

instead of you

[haughty flicker]

she doesnt deserve to feel loved

[balmy condor]

mid raid council fight with a billion mechanical lineups but none of them matter cause it's a 20 pull boss

[kind forge]

Forgot my greyface behind it

[balmy condor]

also they gave it like 100 dots for somereason

[subtle tundra]

does the boss need to be hard for it to matter

[kind forge]

here you go

[subtle tundra]

cant you just enjoy the fight for what it is

[haughty flicker]

no

[balmy condor]

I didn't enjoy the fight

[grim jay]

I can only enjoy the dance council

[balmy condor]

it was like council of dreams but with 3/5 active instead of perma 3

fight was ass

or was it 2/5

[haughty flicker]

ive never enjoyed a council fight in my life

[balmy condor]

either way thing sucked

[haughty flicker]

i also only started mythic raiding in dragonflight though

[red schooner]

yeah every time I throw a chair in my town hall I'm mostly just feeling rage not enjoyment

[balmy condor]

I thought vault was cool

[haughty flicker]

so that life is rather short

see

most of my experience with primal council was in pugs

so uh

i did not enjoy it

[balmy condor]

yeh

[haughty flicker]

in a group where lightning aids doesnt spread like the new blood plague then yeah i could see it being a decent fight