assassination

[balmy condor]

It’s not definitively not not out of meta

[runic hinge]

did boner spike get a new visual? or am i just notcing it more today

[balmy condor]

Same visual

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fallow canopy]

looks brighter right? like more in 4k

[balmy condor]

That looks normal no?

Given the scale of brann

[runic hinge]

idk that's way brighter to me

[keen spruce]

Visualize this boner spike

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

Idk maybe some outline graphical setting

[dawn meteor]

@balmy condor thank you for all the work btw

[low thicket]

boners in this discord? smh

[pure moth]

Who would have thought...

[balmy condor]

Don’t tempt me with a good time

[karmic rover]

anyone know if this is correct?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uQK862DCkj8RrPZjBbVqEt

[viscid spear]

ToP 10, overall

[karmic rover]

my champion haste/mastery ring simming higher than a mythic crit/mastery ring?

thought as close to 0 haste was best lol

[viscid spear]

I think i need more Haste

[plain spruce]

Bleed likes haste in m+

[viscid spear]

tho

[viscid spear]

But we need Mastery for raid, huh?

[olive night]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

Looks normal

[tall jay]

so, anyone have any ideas how to get off of a world server that is like 200 ms higher than my home? Its like im playing on ann overseas server from the us?

[surreal flame]

I’d probably just make sure you are not letting your bleed fall off before execute

More than stats

[viscid spear]

I guess I just need to get more used to it

I'm not the best for sure

[runic hinge]

top is just kinda a low overall dungeon

[cerulean nest]

mythic pacemaker last week, signet this week

we eating

[viscid spear]

That's what I was concerned about, not a lot of mobs there

[golden loom]

look at this 10 top, every dungeon is just a bleed dungeon

[haughty flicker]

i want to see sd damage on that soul pull

[viscid spear]

I feel like I wasn't keeping Rup & Garot up on other targets

[golden loom]

nah we did that soul pull in 2 pulls for some reason

like the run was so scuffed

[haughty flicker]

[keen spruce]

[surreal flame]

I mean it would be kinda hard to know what is wrong without a log or recording

[haughty flicker]

i dont like these newfangled garfs

[keen spruce]

[golden loom]

we ran halfway and then the tank turned around cause he saw the healer was afk

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[golden loom]

didnt get to do souls + big mob at the same time

[runic hinge]

[golden loom]

but I think I did 7m dps on first boss

absurd

[haughty flicker]

[viscid spear]

Mine wasn't very good it seems

[haughty flicker]

not enough demise maxxing unlucky

[ancient tangle]

@balmy condor

• "At the end of boss fights it can be a good idea to keep a shiv for AoE" Demise doesn't work on bosses ?
• "In very small keys (below 10), it can be worth dropping Thistle Tea/Vigor for Forced Induction to get GIGA demise." by doing a 7+ Tempest i suppose ?

[viscid spear]

I need to research the build better

[golden loom]

Demise does work on bosses

[haughty flicker]

you'll get more value out of the shiv in aoe than you would in st

is the idea

[vital flicker]

So to go hybrid+forced induction instead of bleed build I would gain 1.4% in ST and lose like 12% in Dslice(probably more since Sudden demise isn't calculated) how is that worth the cost?

[ancient tangle]

oh ok thx guys 🙂

[fleet pagoda]

it's probably not outside of very particular strategies in top keys. same as whenever these guys are taking builds we don't

[zenith elm]

i saw the date for the .5

i hope dinars comes out at the same time !!

[haughty flicker]

i think they wouldve mentioned it

if it was coming

maybe in visions

[low thicket]

visions isn't until may

[haughty flicker]

yeah

thats why dinars may come out with it

if they even show up

but my bet is .7 patch

[normal mist]

I love a good dinner

[keen spruce]

I love u

[normal mist]

I love you more

Qtpie

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cute-anime-catgirl-neko-gif-4760866314053004638

[viscid spear]

What target count would I be FoKing? 3+?

[coral ibex]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[normal mist]

I only ever fok 1

[sharp viper]

uwu

[normal mist]

uwu

[balmy condor]

Now you see my confusion

[sharp viper]

let me take you dinner

[spice spire]

I’m a great cook

[nova aspen]

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-kubo-san-happy-gif-27394281

[nova aspen]

im an expert at mac n cheese

[vital flicker]

it just feels like such a huge loss when I would say 50% or more of most dungeons is spent doing aoe

[normal mist]

I should stop watching romance animes

[viscid spear]

[coral ibex]

i hate top i hate top i hate top

[normal mist]

Become a bottom

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[near valley]

or you should watch more

[cerulean burrow]

hey so... I noticed we have liek 25 seconds or whatevr it is to do a full combo point envenom during darkest night.... do we prioritise that right away ? or can we wait closer towards when it runs out of time or ?

[near valley]

Ouran High School Host Club went hard

[normal mist]

Is that on Crunchyroll? Lemme check

[near valley]

i'm a filthy watchcartoononline enjoyer

so no idea tbh

[balmy condor]

Closer to 80% but yes

[balmy condor]

It’s your highest priority finisher yes

[normal mist]

It's on Netflix it seems

[near valley]

that surprises me

netflix suddenly back to Goat status?

[normal mist]

It seems it was on Crunchyroll as well but eventually removed

[near valley]

[vital flicker]

I was just trying to be really generous towards single target, but there are also the ST bosses that get trash pulled into them anyways so sometimes it is even more than 80%

[near valley]

well i recommend the show highly fr fr

but now i've moved on to my villaness reincarnation arc

[normal mist]

It's in my to watch list!

[haughty flicker]

[near valley]

[haughty flicker]

[normal mist]

Join us

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-satoru-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-10915596084714213545

[arctic socket]

@spice spire

[near valley]

i've been a weeb since i was like 9 years old, it's too late to turn back now

bruh that's like 16 years ago

[normal mist]

Same but... How old are you now?

[near valley]

[viscid spear]

9-yo myself, back in '97

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/shiroe-loghorizon-gif-9497395

'95

[spice spire]

Absolutely not

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/excel-saga-retro-anime-menchi-sad-gif-13723370954213067426

[near valley]

damn

where my 2000 brethren at?

[viscid spear]

Getting married, probably

[haughty flicker]

in this economy?

[near valley]

^

[normal mist]

Training to be a dad eventually

[viscid spear]

Vegas wedding

[near valley]

i'd be lucky if i could dream of retiring

[spice spire]

Weird way to say rawdogging

But respect that king

[haughty flicker]

who needs retirement when you can die in the greenland wars

[spice spire]

It’s fine I lost a decent car’s worth from my 401k last week

[near valley]

nah my destiny is to die fighting in the name of the God Emperor

[spice spire]

Refuse to open it this week

[near valley]

ah

see i'm EU

[normal mist]

That's a country right?

European union

[near valley]

yeah

it's next to Ohio

[normal mist]

Hehehe

Where my CR7 at?

[spice spire]

Ohayo

[near valley]

oh so you also speak European

[haughty flicker]

i suppose in the grand scheme of things this is true

[normal mist]

Yes I do fellow european

[spice spire]

Aren’t you Portuguese, Royal?

[normal mist]

I'm European now

(it's a trump meme)

[haughty flicker]

dont remind me

[near valley]

that's a country?

[spice spire]

Ahh

[near valley]

i thought it was just Spain spelled funny

[normal mist]

Ahahahahaha

[spice spire]

🙂

[normal mist]

Getting fucked by the neighbour country

I'm glad Spanish and Portuguese get along well since forever

[cedar elm]

abandon bleed

return to kb

[haughty flicker]

[spice spire]

I will never abandon my bbgirl

[haughty flicker]

you'll have to pry bleed from my cold, dead hands

[near valley]

divided by borders, united by raggaeton?

[spice spire]

Give me bleed or give me glorp

[normal mist]

Basically yeah LOL

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

https://media.tenor.com/_pz48ESVe4cAAAAi/glorp-glorpnotl.gif

[waxen oyster]

@normal mist When im trying to get lfr df appearances, and get multiple trinkets from the weekly content

[normal mist]

Oh you can't get LFR DF stuff yet can you?

Best time to farm DF stuff is next expansion

[balmy condor]

Only the Best for your pops

[spice spire]

Ty he deserves the best

[waxen oyster]

nah you have to do world content

[balmy condor]

Don’t tell him that, he might get creative

[waxen oyster]

and hope the vet items from the chests are catalyst slots

[normal mist]

I was 99% sure you couldn't even with world content

[waxen oyster]

i got belt and boots first chest then i've gotten 3 trinkets a neck so far for other stuff.

also 2 cloaks

[spice spire]

He’s gonna get procreative if u sass him again

[normal mist]

S3 right?

[dreamy rover]

WHUSPER GUYY

vid inc?

[waxen oyster]

no s4

[normal mist]

S3/4 same thing

[waxen oyster]

well depends on your class

[normal mist]

Amidrassil tier

[waxen oyster]

(most of the good s3 sets became s4)

[spice spire]

He’s working rn video later I fear

[normal mist]

Yeah for us rogues in specific

[waxen oyster]

we got s2 appearance

for s4 though

stinky

rogue players wanna larp as shredder

[normal mist]

Oh... Yeah memory keeps failing me. (Drawback of not logging in 4 months)

[spice spire]

Shredder? Pal I hardly know er!

[waxen oyster]

shaman s3/4 were the same

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-shredder-my-thoughts-exactly-exactly-that-what-i-thought-gif-21992526

[waxen oyster]

well you'd be stupid to vote otherwise

[normal mist]

Still weeklies for a rng chance on that is boring

[storm forum]

Btw, ty whispyr (and LE and Eleem) for the pin

[normal mist]

Rather wait for next expac

[waxen oyster]

yeah i only did a few

got cloak feet belt first 2

[coral ibex]

i was out for the first 2 days of sprocket prog so i ask the other rogue for any tips he picked up in that time

[normal mist]

The real methods to get the tier appearances got demolished in S4 DF for some wild reason and I hate it.

[waxen oyster]

somehow there are still warcrates dropping in df zones

[coral ibex]

"hit boss gg"

[waxen oyster]

surprised i had a dk duo come up to it

[waxen oyster]

which

[haughty flicker]

yeah crates still drop in old zones, they just have a long time between them

[waxen oyster]

what do they even give

[haughty flicker]

you used to be able to catalyse the gear you bought from events

like dreamsurge

but that got killed

[haughty flicker]

just conquest and stuff

[waxen oyster]

wait current season conquest?

[haughty flicker]

recipe if your're lucky, though df crates probably drop df recipes

yeah

but its not a lot

[waxen oyster]

i was just surprised there was a pair of dks flying around

thought it was gonna be free crate

[haughty flicker]

actually now that i think about it maybe they dont drop conquest in old zones, i cant remember if the one i found a few weeks ago did

[waxen oyster]

its kinda funny dreamsurge/hunt/fyrak assault/dragonbane keep all still give their old s4 boxes

[dreamy rover]

yo what do you guys think about bleed in higher keys? i dont want to possibly grief a key trying to test it out

[waxen oyster]

think soup and superbloom likely do too

[dreamy rover]

higher i mean 14-15

and higher

[waxen oyster]

higher key (+12)

[haughty flicker]

mr whippy has been playing bleed in 14-15 range

and eleem

[normal mist]

Read the latest pin 📌

[spice spire]

No

You can’t make me

[normal mist]

But you can

[dreamy rover]

whippy

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

i just check people's mog

to see if theres a chance they int the key

anyone wearing current season gear has a high chance of terrorism

[sharp viper]

BASED

[empty tide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sharp viper]

i appreciate that take

[waxen oyster]

current gear=fotm

=gtfo

[haughty flicker]

actually based

holy

[sharp viper]

good transmog = better dmg and mechanic execution

[spice spire]

Okay what is goofy transmog then

[normal mist]

Xiani getting social points left and right

[sharp viper]

= bad mog = bad dps

[haughty flicker]

goofy mogs are good sign

[dreamy rover]

what do you think

[waxen oyster]

its becoming overused

ngl

[haughty flicker]

no mog at all is terrorism and should be against the geneva convention

that coat is the new xavius shoulders

[spice spire]

I’ve had news for this rule

[dreamy rover]

idc ill keep using it until i feel like my 10hrs of grinding a useless rep feels paid off

[sharp viper]

we had to pin that coat in #transmog cause people kept asking about it

[spice spire]

If quakewar ques up do not step into LFG

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[normal mist]

Hardest task we had in 2 months @sharp viper

[sharp viper]

thankfully

[waxen oyster]

the wild thing about xavius shoulders to me was

[runic hinge]

I always full set cause im uncreative tho

[sharp viper]

I wonder why

[waxen oyster]

90% of mogs using it

didnt fit

[sharp viper]

then you are playing suboptimal to what you could potentially achieve

[waxen oyster]

Like it loosely works with t2 and somewhat with tot druid set

thats about it

[dreamy rover]

I WILL DELETE THE HYBRID BUILD THANKS

[waxen oyster]

kind of works with the tos elite for rogue

but i like the set shoulders more

[runic hinge]

What if it's the off-set tho?

[waxen oyster]

no mog male tauren resto druid

[sharp viper]

@waxen oyster now I wanna know which mog you are running

[last hemlock]

any tips on how to deal with the massive energy drought in single target? i feel like im missing something, do i really have to wait and pool for like 6 seconds almost pressing nothing before i can press 3 buttons again then rinse and repeat without thistle tea?

[waxen oyster]

straight diabolical hours

[balmy condor]

Yes

[sharp viper]

still

[waxen oyster]

isnt that just the recolor with a cloak thrown in

[runic hinge]

yea

[coral ibex]

that's the spec

[runic hinge]

but technically it isnt a tier set

[coral ibex]

its not as bad in raid but m+ ST is turbo bad

[waxen oyster]

the funniest was wod/early legion

[coral ibex]

nothing can be done about it

[waxen oyster]

when every pvp andy had that set mogged

with the pvp tabard

[last hemlock]

ouch

[waxen oyster]

from late mop

Yeah assa is a slow spec, always has been

you want faster pace play something else

[red schooner]

how the fuck do i image edit lmao

[sonic schooner]

LMAO

what did i witnessed

[red schooner]

yes

[haughty flicker]

very cursed

i love it

[red schooner]

I dunno people keep calling him mr whippy and i can't not associate it with the icecream vans

[radiant raven]

lmao, that owns

[prisma carbon]

bruh its me

[royal lantern]

bro imagine using gear to improve your performance

im only using my own skill

[red schooner]

somebody who knows how to work an image editor can probably do the sleep-deprived idea my brain cooked up justice

[haughty flicker]

gear is a crutch

[slate crown]

so real

[radiant raven]

I parse in the buff.

[gaunt tree]

ya'll running Momentum or Follow the Blood?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[limber lion]

Follow the Blood for bleed build

[gaunt tree]

whyspir's wowhead code picks Momentum lol

[slate crown]

Imagine playing the bleed build and not taking a talent that has "blood" in the title

[limber lion]

Then why even ask?

[red schooner]

its why i run internal bleeding on it

[limber lion]

Follow the Blood is better, it's new information

[sonic schooner]

real and accurate

[slate crown]

🫡

[ionic hill]

yup FtB is better for m+ I think

[haughty flicker]

looks pretty follow the bloody to me

[limber lion]

Even better.

[sonic schooner]

can take both

tbh

[haughty flicker]

take dn

[sonic schooner]

one if a little bit more st

[gaunt tree]

man, i copied the code from the quick copy list on top

but alright, ty guys

[dapper cradle]

Any good sin builds that take the rotten and weapon master?

[haughty flicker]

yes

wont share though

[sonic schooner]

yes, you can if u go down through rtb

[royal lantern]

playing ww so i dont need weapons

/cancleaura for all buffs

no gear

playing like God Intended

[haughty flicker]

me when i macro /cancelaura Power Infusion to all of my abilities

[near valley]

mo cap ur actions

[slate crown]

ironman ironman ironman ironman

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208

[near valley]

don't even use mouse or keyboard

[limber lion]

Too bad it'll still show up in the logs

So everyone will think you suck even though you got PI

[haughty flicker]

its about the principle

i will take the stones and arrows of the masses

[slate crown]

Check pins

[near valley]

be so principled that you never get PI

[spice spire]

Me fr

[viscid spear]

2.47m overall in Floodgate, bit better
Still a ways to go

[royal lantern]

???

Mo cap means using special gear

[vernal trout]

whats a good overall to have in a +13 theater to time it

[near valley]

just rig a wii remote to ur keybinds duh

[vernal trout]

everyone did around 2.50m and it wasn't enough 😦

[near valley]

make it 4 so both on ur hands and feet

[vast shuttle]

Will i get 675 gear from m+ 10 vault?

[coral ibex]

you will get myth track gear

which can go up to 678

[vast shuttle]

But u cant get raid items no?

[west crown]

TOP 12 with a cursed group, still pumped with bleed

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

uh no i dont think you can get raid items from the m+ boxes

since they came from... m+

you can get armor to catalyze

[haughty flicker]

you can get actual tier from any slot as well

but otherwise yes m+ slots are just m+ loot pool

[coral ibex]

oh yea you can get natty tier

but no specific raid items

[barren sleet]

I've been playing outlaw and sub this season, trying assa out for a bit but man, it just doesnt feel great

[runic hinge]

That’s fair. Play what’s fun

[barren sleet]

Yea, not trying to complain, just doesnt feel as fun as it did last season

[strange sleet]

it's the same

nothing changed

[strange sleet]

tbf

[last skiff]

first key with bleed + drunk debuff, wtf is that I just press random and get mini 5m on every pack

[strange sleet]

the dungeons changed I guess

[haughty flicker]

People change

[barren sleet]

Yea, just saying how I feel on it. Not sure what it is

[strange sleet]

yes pretty much. It's great

[barren sleet]

How does the boss damage in a key feel with the bleed build?

[limber lion]

Bad

[split veldt]

uh prolly dumb question, but deadly or instant now that no four poisons lol?

[strange sleet]

as bad as with KB

[limber lion]

The point is to destroy in AoE

[limber lion]

Never instant

Always Deadly

[split veldt]

🫡

[spice spire]

Better than hybrid atm for many

Blindside goes brrrr

Plus CT cranking

[haughty flicker]

I heckin love blindside

[strange sleet]

yes but the other 65% of the boss is hrrible

[haughty flicker]

Just proc lmao

[strange sleet]

ye my bad 😦

[haughty flicker]

[safe swift]

what is like a good way to pad some easy damage on low hp mobs cause when i'm done putting bleeds on those mobs they already dead and my bleeds didn't tick

spam FoK into CT ?

[haughty flicker]

More bleeds

[safe swift]

more bleeds don't help it's mobs with like 15m hp

[limber lion]

He asked how it feels

And after listening to people say "CT ST SUCKS REEEE" for 7 years

[spice spire]

Oh

[limber lion]

I don't buy it

[spice spire]

Yeah you got me there

CT ST deniers are in shambles

Idm it when it’s through the function of a specific build

[haughty flicker]

Did echo do this

Are they the guild

[spice spire]

Baseline cringe

[strange sleet]

Very nice PIN btw, I just read it now

about bleeds

[dreamy rover]

pin moments

[strange sleet]

yesyes

[low thicket]

Pins?

[dapper cradle]

built like an npc from dun morogh

[devout fiber]

Hey guys if I want to keep Iron Wire, do I also need Kingsbane?

[plucky canopy]

am i stupid or did i just got double darkest knight back to back?

[coral ibex]

looks like some kind of bug from the boss moving out of your cast

like it ate the cp but didnt so anything

[devout fiber]

Hey guys if I want to run standard bleed build but only want Iron wire, where do I take the point out of?

[haughty flicker]

Yes if the boss moves fast enough as you use dn it does weird things

[limber lion]

Lightweight Shiv

Like it says in the pins

Man the new visuals in Workshop are tripping me out

[twin hull]

do we have to swap gear to haste mastery now? and are you guys doing it?

or...the diff isnt that big

[orchid ravine]

hows pacemaker trinker for ass? just ran a sim and its wanting me to grab tier shoulders to make my 4pc but i still have a cata charge i can use in case i get hero shoulders from a delve or a dungeon

[plucky canopy]

but it shows 12mil dmg

need to check logs if it really did that dmg

[orchid ravine]

i have the honeybuzzer trinket with eye of kez

[haughty flicker]

Yeah idk how exactly it interacts but it do be weird

[plucky canopy]

it did 12mil and 9mil

[haughty flicker]

New meta full speed enchants sprint away from the boss while casting dn

[inner citrus]

any vids/youtubers recommended to learn raid ST rotation and bleed build? my brain dont work even after reading the wowhead guide 3x

[limber lion]

Whispyr himself makes Youtube guides as well

[viscid spear]

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[plucky canopy]

had this happen now 2-3 times on that moment tonight

[west crown]

those talents are wrong, check wowhead for the updated talents

[inner citrus]

the rotation in s1 is more or less same in s2?

[limber lion]

Abouts yeah

Bleed build plays differently than the Spatter/KB that most people were used to playing for a long time

Some extra small minmax stuff here and there but you probs shouldn't worry about them yet

[inner citrus]

i see. will read it over and over again. i came from sub and my sub brain cant comprehend O_O

[limber lion]

What are you having trouble with?

[split veldt]

that sudden demise dam

[spice surge]

Yes sir

[limber lion]

Not even #1 smh

[spice surge]

Pop em

[past bobcat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[split veldt]

kinda nice not having to worry about fucking up a kingsbane target

[sonic schooner]

[inner citrus]

everything, i guess ill give it a break and re read the whole rotation thing in 5-6hrs

[grand trail]

ez

[short tangle]

double HoC ...
what a lucky raid

[grand trail]

normal one 😄

but better than pvp trinket i was playing till now

[short tangle]

can't even get one normal or hc ....

didnt tryed lfr but ... dont want to xD

[limber lion]

I'm in LFR this very moment

[safe swift]

is there a youtube guide aswell for the bleed build?

[royal lantern]

washed up fr

[past bobcat]

do i really take a heroic house lmao

what a vault

[runic hinge]

Until he posts full 100 lfr logs to flex on you

[cerulean nest]

it's that easy

[haughty flicker]

L ran out of crests

[cerulean nest]

^

[warm vortex]

Our healer accidentally changed his keyboard language mid kety
So he couldn't heal

[limber lion]

Alt shift

[twin hull]

you guys swapping to haste mastery for bleed build? or staying crit mast

[warm vortex]

Yea he just didn't know how to do it

Like mid fight

Just sim dude

Don't swap stats depending on buiild just sim :D

[waxen oyster]

i have to choose between house and myth legs

[limber lion]

I have never changed gear (except for Legendaries in the past) for Mythic+ and never will

[viscid spear]

[cerulean nest]

rest in piss

[runic terrace]

Take house. The legs you can get anywhere on myth track and trow them in the catalyst...

[royal lantern]

a house? in THIS economy?

[subtle tundra]

take legs

you can farm priory ez pz

you cant farm mythic pieces

[viscid spear]

One Bed One Bath of Cards

[haughty flicker]

yeah i wouldnt take heroic hoc over myth legs

not for sin

maybe if i was truly desperate as sub

[plucky canopy]

okay this "bug" is easy to replicate on sprocket 😄

[dawn heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766349238941777931/1131266466289819779/caption.gif

[plucky canopy]

just wait until tank draggs, cast big evenom, get another one for free

[void relic]

did we use tempest in ST with the bleed build ?

[dawn heath]

Pretty sure its dps neutral

I wouldnt bother personally

[wispy moss]

should i keep venture co as my chest with crit mastery or cata it i already have a gambler chest but its vert mast

[dawn heath]

Feels like another hassle when u are bleeding energy

[haughty flicker]

its definitely not dps neutral

you use ct in st

in bleed

[spice surge]

Playing around sanguine is mostly neutral

[hardy rapids]

Obviously you should sim but saying that stat prio is dumb I think is dumb. Obviously our spec leans mastery> crit=haste. You should sim if you really want that last few thousand dps squeezed out but there are general rules to follow

[spice surge]

applying ct is a sizeable gain

CT does like 2x the damage of an envenom

[plucky canopy]

Eleem is this thing known? getting double dark knight evenoms

like back to back

[viscid spear]

Had to tweak the WA slightly so I can see the CT debuff better

My dumb ass kept letting it fall off.

[subtle tundra]

idk but it looks sick af

[past bobcat]

im pre sure taking heroic house is never the option when signet is available

[plucky canopy]

happend 4-5 times by accident this evening

[subtle tundra]

link a log?

[plucky canopy]

sec

[subtle tundra]

dont think ill be able to elucidate this mystery but meow

[golden loom]

wasnt it the case last season that at some points you would lose mark completely if the boss moved out of range when you darkest nighted

so maybe they fixed it by doing that?

[wraith girder]

Guys, I had no problem getting into +14 keys. Now I'm farming declines for +15's for hours. What happened? Did the meta just set in stone for 15 and above during this week? I'm actually saaaad.

[subtle tundra]

yes

the higher you go the stricter the nerds become on meta

[wraith girder]

Man it's sadge, cause we are ultra fine come on....

[subtle tundra]

average person in lfg

[dapper cradle]

amazing pasta

[plucky canopy]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xncCVqy182hfGtHz?type=damage-done&fight=38&source=15&ability=-32645&start=9675170&end=9694294

[wraith girder]

Well I dont want to be that. It's just for 14's it was really not a huge issue getting into groups and this week i literally got 0 invites for +15s 😄

But well. Maybe next week then. Copium

[subtle tundra]

yeah 15s are literally 3-4 levels below max

nowhere near the need for meta

[spice spire]

Is it just me or has varas only gotten more based over time

Incredible stuff really

[wraith girder]

True. Also the avarage person that just plays meta class is not gonna beat me on the meters anyway...

But OK then. Just the meta solidifying. I will deal with it...

[subtle tundra]

nothing you can do about it

just how m+ degenerates play

[golden loom]

based

[wide ferry]

Gettin closer to 5m overall lets gooo and a signet drop

[severe oyster]

Those damn Birds!

[plucky canopy]

okay, i cannot replicate it anymore

[tall atlas]

sorry i have missed something in the new bleed build, what is the situation with Shiv useage?

[plucky canopy]

not sure if it has something to do with sprocket walking over those holes

[viscid spear]

[royal lantern]

wdym

it shits on boomkins, so its based

complaining about boomkins is always valid

[twin hull]

on bleed builds we using muti/ambush on 3 targets...and FOK at 4+?

[royal lantern]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[hearty reef]

Demise on xav banners goes crazy

[spice surge]

Yes sir

On minecart in dfc too

[nova aspen]

guys i need elp

where in plater do i show tempest on nameplates

is it scripts?

[wise plover]

you want it just as an icon?

[ionic hill]

I’ve been slacking on not refreshing my empowered CT’s, turns out it makes a noticeable difference

[nova aspen]

yea

[hearty reef]

here lilbro

[nova aspen]

but glow for pandemic

like rupture and garrote

ahh i see

[kind forge]

Empowered ?

[nova aspen]

i am just blind

[ionic hill]

Yeah, tried letting them run out after seeing it in the pins and its noticeably better

[kind forge]

Oh I missread your statement
Nvm me

[sonic zinc]

whats the post DM lingering darkness shiv thing

u shiv and do a fatty darkest night envenom?

during lingering

[haughty flicker]

yes

and just dont use shiv at start of the non-dm kingsbane

[sonic zinc]

this doesnt matter for bleed build does it

[haughty flicker]

you dont have supercharger in m+ so its not as good

[sonic zinc]

ah right

[haughty flicker]

but also it kind of still lines up anyway

so i just do it out of habit

[sonic zinc]

yea might as well since u have nothing else to press

i guess

[hallow imp]

Is it same stats for bleed build and hybrid?

[haughty flicker]

apparently bleed likes haste more but answer is still to sim it

[wise plover]

@spice surge you played the bleed build in like 14s right? in large pulls did you spend your IC windows spreading rupture to all targets or would you just stop at 6 ruptures > CT > envenom spam prio mob.

[sonic schooner]

ruptures is more than caustic / envenom in bleed build

[limber lion]

Rup everythimg

Gar everythimg

Ct everythimg

Bleed everythimg

[spice surge]

Well you always garrote as a builder if theres target that dont have it

[limber lion]

:wicked:

How the fuck did I misstype everything 4 times in a row

That's crazy

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[wise plover]

but like it seems kinda slow trying to get rupture up on all mobs somtimes. like eventually i need to prio the big tanky guy

[spice surge]

Rupture is good but you dont necessarily need to rupture all the small pisser mobs

[nova aspen]

what about how to make the yellow pandemic border smaller

[limber lion]

During IC Ruppies

[nova aspen]

or less thicc

[limber lion]

Outside of IC Env

[wise plover]

Like im thinking about pull after first boss priory, there is 4 paladins and like 8 smallies

[limber lion]

Pretty simple

You of course have to spread ruptures manually on super long pulls

[spice surge]

Apply it to all paladins ye, if IC cleaves onto smallies then it is what it is

[limber lion]

But don't think about it too hard

Just press buttons

[hallow imp]

Are bleed build best for 12-14 Keys??

[wise plover]

yeah that makes sense, and is there any chance using CT before ruptures could be worth?

[spice surge]

Ye CT after you have all of your scent stacks

[wise plover]

okay, did you ever try CT before scent stacks on bleed build in sims?

[spice surge]

Yes, its not great

Scent and energy more important

[wise plover]

sweet ty, i love overcomplicating sin rouge 🙂

appreciate the insight tho

[safe swift]

do you use 1 shiv at start after bleeds and another at 35% ?

[wicked valve]

is 7% haste too low for the bleed build? I'm not sure how to sim for stat adjustments

I know the pin says theres no set amount, just that the bleed like it. Trying to figure out how to adjust from the hybrid.

[safe swift]

the pin recommonds 8-11% haste but simming is key

[wicked valve]

whoops, my dyslexic ass missed that. sorry for the softball question

then with an enchant or two I should be golden to try

[silk sundial]

I just picked up a myth ML haste/mastery ring from my vault, definitely gonna use it on the bleed build this week

[wicked valve]

Hard to imagine how much better sin can get right now. I was pulling 3.5 mil overall in my 13 priory using the hybrid last week. No idea if thats even decent, but it went well and I timed it! first 13 of the season

[dawn heath]

Petition to ban the word ruppies

[safe swift]

ovrall dps depends on the size pulls / how fast you completed it etc so it all depends

[dawn heath]

3.5 is pretty low in that key

Its not low its probably appropriate for a 13 but you know

Other specs do 5million in there

I also have done 4.2mil in there on Assa in 649 ilvl

But that was a +10

Logs count all time as in combat time so it usually is losing about 8-12% of what your real dps was this was also pre Assa buffs

You should easily be able to pull over 4mil in there unless you wipe a bunch

[severe sparrow]

damn i got a myth track pacemaker in vault, but replacing my 658 shoulder is a bigger upgrade technically, but im sure ill get myth track shoulders in the vault some other time

[drifting cloud]

whats your current trinket

[severe sparrow]

maxxed out hero track signet/pacemaker

[haughty flicker]

a lot easier to get any myth shoulders and catalyze them than it is to get this specific trinket again

[severe sparrow]

the difference between taking the shoulders vs the myth pace is only 4k and yeah, that's what im thinking

there's a million shouldies out there

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[lean plover]

1st myth boss gives shoulders

[drifting cloud]

if those are the only 2 options but myth pacemaker isnt honestly that impressive

[severe sparrow]

i mean there's 2 myth track boots too but they dont sim as highly as the shoulder replacement

considering 1st boss drops shoulders ill get those pretty quick

[lean plover]

myth seaforium can only drop in vault, you can get shoulders in 1st boss

and boots is honestly a very good spot to craft on

[drifting cloud]

if youre doing mythic prog you want an eye of kezan anyways

its turbo bis on bandit, mugzee and gally

[shadow belfry]

any tips on what i should grab? all 662+ items are myth upgrades to my current hero pieces

[severe sparrow]

id have to fight the rest of the guild, so i dont hold my breath on getting one

lol

[drifting cloud]

im gonna use normal eye over myth pacemaker on mugzee tomorrow

bought it in a pug

[drifting cloud]

chest and use it as your offpiece

[balmy condor]

here we go again on my own

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

wake me up in 7 years when its done

[severe sparrow]

apparently, if a heroic eye dropped in my bags rn, it'd just replace the signet anyway

[drifting cloud]

you dont see the power of eye on a 5min pw sim

[shadow belfry]

[hidden bay]

sim yourself

[shadow belfry]

I couldn’t figure out how to sim with gear I don’t have / not in my bags

[hidden bay]

thats ok

you just need the simcraft addon ingame which you prolly have

then you open vault and type /simc

and it takes your vault items

[shadow belfry]

ooohhh okies lemme do that

[near valley]

I'm a full bleed build convert now

based and fun as fuck

[severe sparrow]

is there a better way to sim the actual potential of the eye? like a 7/8m cleave add or something? or is it one of those "just believe in those who know" sorta moment cuz it doesnt sim out good?

[hidden bay]

you can ping whispyr and ask him to theorycraft some crazy shit

[lean plover]

what are you simming pookie bear?

[balmy condor]

my fucking vault

so ass

but it's not quite ass enough

[drifting cloud]

dungeon slice sim on vault? youve changed

[hidden bay]

you didnt show what you had or?

[balmy condor]

I have a patchwerk

^

[drifting cloud]

bro did 8 delves

respect

[spice spire]

:uglyassdog:

[hidden bay]

what a shitty vault man

FUCK

[dense cove]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

st wants me to take the wrists, not upgrade them, slam my dagger to max myth, then craft boots

[verbal blaze]

the crystal knows all

[spice spire]

Cursed

[drifting cloud]

its only regarding CE prog

• bandit: 7min fight where as assa youre cosmetic dmg on assistants anyways so might aswell try to minmax your p2 dmg
• mugzee: 8 min fight where p1 has no dps requirement and p2 is a 2:45~ execute burn phase where youd start with eye fully stacked up
• gally 9:30 fight where eye wins anyways just because of the fight duration

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-magic-conch-shell-gif-5486197

[severe sparrow]

thanks for taking the time for this answer heavy suspect we're gonna get walled by bandit anyway cuz the guild is semi-casual myth

[hidden bay]

you have crafted wrists?

[balmy condor]

I do

[devout fiber]

Hey guys do we change talents for Theatre of Pain or keep same?

[waxen oyster]

i technically had a decent vault

just feels bad deciding myth tier vs house

[safe swift]

house is overrated

signet is as good imo

[haughty flicker]

idk i wish i had a house

but in this economy

idk

[balmy condor]

by who exactly

is it simming weird for you?

[west crown]

keep same

[waxen oyster]

Honestly it was simming -6 last week for me now its up 6k.

I think it's because im dangerously close to my priory giving me crit

[hidden bay]

you want to say my HoC mythic max ilvl is useless???

[waxen oyster]

[haughty flicker]

me when the house of cards falls

(lfr hoc is better than my 678 priory on sub)

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure hoc gives more

after the first use

also the bonus from priory assumes the other users use theirs at the exact same time as you

[marble hemlock]

he said sub so its just the 90 vs 120sec cd

sub wants 90sec cd trinket

which is why transmitter is still huge for them

[haughty flicker]

yeah priory being a 3m on sub is dog

[waxen oyster]

its still better for sin

[haughty flicker]

on sin both are within like 2k dps at max ilvl

for me

[waxen oyster]

and tbh, isnt it bis for other 2min classes as well

its weird how wowhead lists a vers on use from delves

but i dont think i've seen it ingame

[vale lantern]

how many bosses/key bombs do you hvae to kill to get the full level for renown in the raid?

[hallow glade]

iron wire good for cb?

[subtle kiln]

It doesn’t help that sims perfectly aligns the pickup with Sectech every single time.

[waxen oyster]

granted cant classes like dk

use funhouse mirror

to similar effect

[marble hemlock]

4 iirc

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/428792933173690368.webp?size=96

[hollow river]

i took tokens

[spice spire]

Ty king

[cyan gulch]

Hello guys

Any deathmark+signet macro

?

[haughty flicker]

#showtooltip
/cast deathmark
/use 14

or 13 depending on which slot signet is in

[spice spire]

13 is for real ones

[haughty flicker]

no

[cyan gulch]

ty

[haughty flicker]

14 is the blessed slot

[hollow river]

14 is for pimps

[spice spire]

Nah that’s 13 king sorry

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor my boss dmg in p2 on mugzee went a bit crazy

[hollow river]

wanna know something funny

[balmy condor]

big

[spice spire]

I looked in the mirror

Already

[hollow river]

i keep pvp trinket in slot 14 for cc break

[earnest remnant]

arms warriors wh frfr

[tacit charm]

no kingsbane in m+ seems cursed

[hollow river]

and last season my first arena on my warrior was casting trinket with my CDs

and i still went 6-0

[spice spire]

Warrior v balanced

[spice spire]

Eye?

I assume

[cyan gulch]

do i gotta always wait to line kingsbane to deathmark

?

[hollow river]

they naturally align

[spice spire]

No.
Line with dm > cast without > line with dm > cast without

Cycles constant

[cyan gulch]

ok

ty

[earnest remnant]

eye of kezan?

[spice spire]

Ye

If not p3 about to go nuts soon

[earnest remnant]

yeh i have a 658 kezan

[vale lantern]

ok ty

[spice spire]

Eye sends that phase to the moon so makes sense

Even if 658 I assume that phase specific is insane value

[barren yarrow]

So my vault wasn’t too bad or really great. Is an upgrade and upgrade even if it’s only 5k dps increase?

[earnest remnant]

it is yeah

[spice spire]

Yes upgrades are upgrades. Anything outside of margin is well worth

[barren yarrow]

Ok 👍🏼 mythic blood oath it is

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor thought mug'zee didn't have a dmg amp

think my envenom didn't get that memo

[hearty reef]

magnetmagnetmagnetmagnet

[balmy condor]

[barren yarrow]

Wut lol 😂 21m envenom?!

[balmy condor]

yeh

dry shiv

[barren yarrow]

Sheeesh

[hearty reef]

"dry"

[balmy condor]

this is why dry shiv is good lmao

[hearty reef]

ok but akshually

[spice spire]

Yet I’m wet when it pops

Curious

[hearty reef]

it's not dry

all the amps possible for that enve are there

[balmy condor]

that's not true either

[haughty flicker]

[hearty reef]

excluding trink

[runic hinge]

Double amp poison xd

[balmy condor]

deathmark duplicating amp poison

[haughty flicker]

[spice spire]

It’s joever

[hearty reef]

i dont remember if you suck 20 stacks during dm

or 10 and then 10

yeah both istances

[earnest remnant]

its just a DM envenom

[balmy condor]

THAT is crazy

you're telling me you could've gone bigger?

[earnest remnant]

my driv shivs are around 15-16mil

[haughty flicker]

[barren yarrow]

if I’m trying to sim dungeons should I just use dungeon slice?

[balmy condor]

yes

[barren yarrow]

Ty king

[upper wraith]

house of cards / rezans for m+.. this a good combo for m+?

[balmy condor]

rezans probably not, no

the uptime on it isn't very good

[upper wraith]

I have a signet too

but double on use

[balmy condor]

yeah that also sucks

[upper wraith]

or a zees

lol

[balmy condor]

that's kinda okay but probably also sucks

[upper wraith]

lmao

what about a veteran track energy drink / cards

[balmy condor]

I mean energy drink itself is good, but veteran track probably not

you should really just sim this rather than playing a game of guess who with me

[upper wraith]

lmao

[meager crane]

wait are we at 3 1/2 sparks

[balmy condor]

spark 4 today

[subtle kiln]

Heroic energy sims nicely in dslice

[meager crane]

ah im missing a half then, unless we just got both available this week?

[barren yarrow]

so what are the bis trinkets

I though priory was up there @balmy condor

[subtle kiln]

4 on reset this week

so you didn’t do something

[barren yarrow]

I do like seaforium a lot

[balmy condor]

this is the new quest from reset today

[meager crane]

where do we get the one from this week? a quest

[balmy condor]

should be 3.5

[meager crane]

ah

[balmy condor]

and then that

[meager crane]

delves..

[tall atlas]

This is the rebok or the nike

[royal lantern]

guess who didnt get enough sleep in the last 2 days

[haughty flicker]

Tom clancy

Bill gates

Howard stern

[royal lantern]

damm, you are good

[barren yarrow]

What’s our BIS trinkets? Not priory?

I have seaforium

[balmy condor]

priory/seaforium for m+

[royal lantern]

priory or house of cards, whichever one you have at high ilvl, and then pacemaker/magnet in 2nd slot

[balmy condor]

me

[barren yarrow]

Oh then I’m good

lol what about raid is it still HoC?

[tall atlas]

And we love thou for it

[balmy condor]

priory or house of cards, whichever one you have at high ilvl, and then some junk in slot 2

seaforium/magnet/kezan/whatever

[barren yarrow]

I have both

And they’re both hero track

[tall atlas]

Then use both of them obv

[barren yarrow]

sooo I’ll use both lol

[balmy condor]

okay well then they're equal

no

fuck no

[barren yarrow]

oh

[haughty flicker]

Lmao

[tall atlas]

Obv

[barren yarrow]

yeah Ovid

[tall atlas]

Use both

Think about it

[balmy condor]

what the fuck would a second on use do

no

[scarlet cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/ren-and-stimpy-patiently-waiting-ten-gif-12584517

[tall atlas]

Hoc is 30s less cd

[barren yarrow]

Yeah cooldowns lol

[haughty flicker]

Second on use for dry shiv

[barren yarrow]

I mean sure

[tall atlas]

So you can pop if you want during a big trash pull

[subtle kiln]

Buff Kingsbane.

[tall atlas]

Outside of your dm window

Big booms

[royal lantern]

im all in for stupid commenta, but maybe not when somebody is genuinely asking atm

[tall atlas]

Nah tbh don’t they said one or the other

[balmy condor]

I'm just answering top gear questions again god fuck

[tall atlas]

So choose one on use

[balmy condor]

okay I'm actually tabbing out

I don't have time for htis

[tall atlas]

And one passive

Hahahahaa

[haughty flicker]

[barren yarrow]

it’s ok I appreciate you Whispyr

[tall atlas]

I love being able to make whis lose his mind

[barren yarrow]

time to sim!

[normal mist]

Have a good rest homie

[haughty flicker]

I saw that royal

[normal mist]

shh

you didnt

[subtle kiln]

That time was 6 minutes ago

[barren yarrow]

👀

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/very-sneaky-gif-13205525615328658859

[barren yarrow]

Huh

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/storymaker-story-storymaker-agency-storytelling-pixel-gif-10131995539393141446

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/neverending-story-victory-yes-happy-excited-gif-3471809

[royal lantern]

wake up, answer a sim question

go to bed, answer a sim question

[oblique jackal]

Haste is simming high for ST and M+

[balmy condor]

reasonable

[tall atlas]

What was in your vault whispypoo

[oblique jackal]

prob triple HoC

[balmy condor]

garbage

[tall atlas]

Did you recycle

[cunning needle]

Buff your lingering darkness window

[violet jackal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[peak bobcat]

Time to play sin on OAB even though my guild doesn’t want me to

!!

[barren yarrow]

Ok how fucking annoying was fangs of our father’s quest line. Cause I’m doing it now and 60 more gems!?!?!

[cunning needle]

I enjoyed it first time, but I was also a wow baby back then

The quest chain was cool

[barren yarrow]

Oh yeah, I’m definitely digging the story. I just why so many gems. Lol 😂

[cunning needle]

I feel the firelands staff was worse

But cata was a long time ago

The rng of drop rate does suck though

[runic hinge]

Don’t listen to those bozos!!!!

[severe oyster]

Could server transfer and speed it up back in the day. Before they fixed lockouts resetting on server xfer lol

[viscid spear]

Got a twofer this time

[oblique jackal]

!vm

!multilate

[kindred timber]

guys no patch note class change for reset?

[oblique jackal]

whats the vicious venom short

[viscid spear]

Got Hero by a single point, 2501

[haughty flicker]

huge

[balmy condor]

there is nothing for that

[amber brook]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[amber brook]

is it this?

[balmy condor]

there is that

[slim copper]

Saw this and wanted to share. 🥹

[brave comet]

question on rik, is sniping barrels with rupture to regain energy good or bad?

[balmy condor]

bad

[brave comet]

is there a point in which sniping any target with rupture is a good thing?

vexie?

[amber brook]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[slim copper]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[balmy condor]

it's gonna be like 13ish seconds with vicious

you'd have to basically instantly hit the barrels with rupture

and then they need to last until the end

it's insanely tight

[spice surge]

Interestingly assa actually does have decent/good damage to targets like that with the bleed build

[haughty flicker]

!riccardo

https://tenor.com/view/bavatogay-ricardo-milos-dance-gif-13888231

[spice surge]

(but you'd lose too much ST damage going for that in a raid scenario)

[amber brook]

how much energy do you get refunded on rupture kill?

[spice surge]

Not enough to get you back to 7cp

Or just enough

So its like youre spending 3 globals (rupture, mutilate+mutilate) to get back to the same position you were in before

When you could instead use envenom and do more

[brave comet]

so even if i am out of energy, its better to pool instead?

[amber brook]

!pool

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/pool-gif-9313849236116507768

[spice surge]

You would envenom instead of rupture yes

[oblique jackal]

thank you!

[amber brook]

np

[brave comet]

thats amazing i always thought rupturing a dying target to regain energy would end up being beneficial i guessed wrong