assassination

[rotund oak]

njoy the confirmation

[dreamy rover]

well umm... they exist and were removed from renown track

[rotund oak]

[dreamy rover]

thats all

[rotund oak]

imagine not be renown capped already

just do world quests

and trash piles and whatever

[wooden perch]

Is this new bleed build stronger than the hybrid in m+?

[rotund oak]

and kill elites

[dreamy rover]

i've been capped

real statement is

[wooden perch]

Does it scale better on higher keys

[dreamy rover]

imagine not being exalted with darkfuse

[rotund oak]

about the same

[wooden perch]

Any point of playing it if im uswd to the hybrid

Is it a smoother playstyle

In 15+

[rotund oak]

you have to test that

[dreamy rover]

less boss damage for more aoe

[rotund oak]

see what works best

[wooden perch]

Even less boss dmg??

Ill pass

[dreamy rover]

yup

even less boss damage

for even more nutty aoe

[rotund oak]

sin is a strong PI candidate

blows up everything

[warm lantern]

man got my hopes up there for a sec

[dreamy rover]

about the same even in high keys 14+?

[rotund oak]

something like UDK

[warm lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[rotund oak]

you have to test that,i havent played my rogue yet in 14s,cant rly testify an opinion

[warm lantern]

no clue what the numbers say, but it doesnt sound right

[dreamy rover]

do the sims say that though?

i need numbers please

[rotund oak]

sims say they are close ye

[dreamy rover]

its been like that

[red schooner]

I thought bleed pulled ahead ST wise due to zoldyck/blindside

[dreamy rover]

lack of kingsbane fucks ST

and amp poison i guess

[red schooner]

Kingsbane is weak AF right now, I'm getting very comparable numbers ST in bleed than I did on hybrid

[rotund oak]

they even out eventually one has KB one doesnt bleed is slightly ahead ye but not like CRAZY OMG AHEAD

[iron vapor]

Same, I'm getting similar numbers with bleeds in ST to what I was getting with hybrid

But I'm obviously also getting better trash damage with bleed

[dreamy rover]

yhea i just did a lower key with bleed'

[iron vapor]

So overall - better

[red schooner]

Legit bleed build has me enjoying m+ rn and I'm normally a m+ hater

[dreamy rover]

the boss damage seems lower than hybrid but keeps up

[red schooner]

Shits fun

[iron vapor]

That said, those numbers are for 10-12 keys, not 14+, so your mileage may vary

[dreamy rover]

thats very true

[red schooner]

Normally I'd just begrudgingly do my 10s for vault and never touch it again for the week

Now I'm chilling

Life is good

[dreamy rover]

if youre not a key pusher

what do you do when youre not raiding?

[red schooner]

Not play wow

[dreamy rover]

[rotund oak]

play path of exile or mapplestory

or RAID

[dreamy rover]

cant imagine myself doing that

i love keying it up with my buddies

[red schooner]

I also have an alt that I'm trying to gear up but that's on an 'if I can be arsed' thing

[rotund oak]

i enjoy more playing arenas with the homies

[red schooner]

I just never enjoyed pushing, I wanna chill man

[rotund oak]

but ye,we arent 24/7 online all together

[red schooner]

But we're on stix prog ATM, there is no chill

I hate stix

[dreamy rover]

my guild killed this dude thursday

ill be probably killing him tomorrow

took a while

[red schooner]

First night of it last night, it doesn't work well for how our guild functions.

[dreamy rover]

lool

[red schooner]

Normally we operate a 'have a core group of mechanics players do the important shit and let the maniacs do whatever' strategy

Which, doesn't work

When balls are randomly allocated

[dreamy rover]

lmao

makes sense

fucking balls arent that hard dude

eat trash

eat add > go boss

[red schooner]

I find them alright

[dreamy rover]

eat bomb > go boss

[red schooner]

But the amount of territorial bombshells exploded

Says otherwise

[dreamy rover]

lool

my guild gave out a weak aura with a huge stop sign on the bombshells

[red schooner]

Same

It

[dreamy rover]

especially for the repeat offenders

[red schooner]

Didn't help

[rotund oak]

so happy the weak aura sht fiesta goes away next patch

weak aura this weak aura that

F off already

[dreamy rover]

let me be the one to tell you that.

it wont end.

[rotund oak]

we will have significally less

[dreamy rover]

i wont

[rotund oak]

to end yeah i dont think it will either

yeah suit urself

[dreamy rover]

im planning on insta turning it off

[rotund oak]

i dont enjoy playing with alot of wa's anyway

[lavish geyser]

I recrafted a chestpeice, from crit mastery to crit vers, so I could play with it on outlaw as well, and it somehow simmed better on assa. would that be a sign of me having too much mastery? like i hit the dr?

[rotund oak]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[kind forge]

Sap what if blizzards implementation is just bad

[rotund oak]

idk,it would make me sad

but i would still try to keep it minimal

[kind forge]

Im pretty sure it’s gonna be like that

Ngl

[red schooner]

Half an hour pre stix spent making sure everyone had the auras installed

[rotund oak]

thats so mfkin' cringe

same for DF

[red schooner]

Ye it wasn't fun times

[radiant raven]

I'm hopeful it'll be an option for a lot of players. WA's will just be straight up better, no question. but having an in-built option that Blizz can keep refining is just good

[rotund oak]

private auras for all bosses

F off already

[lavish geyser]

there is no way to do a sim where you set a desired lvl of haste or mastery? as an example.

[red schooner]

Hopefully things like the swirly visual change expand. Ff14 can have complicated boss mechanics without weakauras due to visual.design

So, maybe they go that route

[radiant raven]

Yeah, I hope so. The swirly changes were really good.

[lavish geyser]

stix didnt take long to set up for us, had no issues. but I just had a seizure when I first got a ball. soo much stuff on my screen

[rotund oak]

stat weight but its irrelevant and outdated way of siming,also very dangerous coz ''weight'' changes with every gear u equip

[radiant raven]

Although I think they should just do less in general.

[red schooner]

Swirly changes are glorious

[rotund oak]

also sin doesnt care for stats,literally

[lavish geyser]

was thinking more of like outlaw needing 20% haste

[rotund oak]

well its not optimal to play the pirate with mastery anyway

and even if u dont for sin u would still make less dmg on both

[lavish geyser]

idk im playing outlaw for raid and assa for m+. I just wanna be able to play both. kinda atm. Still playing 39% mastery on outlaw

[rotund oak]

outlaw has a haste breakpoint

else it doestn function

[red schooner]

TBF it barely functions WITH the haste breakpoint sometimes

[rotund oak]

yeah,its a fried spec

idk wtf ppl see in it

it srsly needs a rework

[red schooner]

Hopefully blizz shows it some love

Help those guys out a bit

The spec ain't for me but I want the people who enjoy it to have it be decent

[rotund oak]

yeah why not

[vital flicker]

To be fair outlaw is one of the least played specs in the game currently

[rotund oak]

not exactly taken by surprise by this

ive tested it out

it feels rly bad

[kind forge]

Atleast more than 13 sub players

[vital flicker]

I like outlaw, but it always feels bad to be capped on AoE,it doesn't even feel that strong with fewer targets since it lacks large burst, and then it doesnt even have very good funnel or prio damage compared to the other rogue specs

But it does have good single target in its m+ build and it almost never feels like it doesn't have any damage

[rotund oak]

😅

aint no way ppl play sub with sin being like this

sin is flexible,does dmg

well not as much ST as Sub but quite nice overalls

[kind forge]

I do

:3

[rotund oak]

well hello my name is Theo

nice to meet you

lul

[vital flicker]

I mean there are almost the same amount of raid parses for sub and sin over the last 2 weeks

[subtle tundra]

outlaw never has raid parses

[kind forge]

Well I’ll plan to play more bleed sin after reset in atleast 4 keys

[vital flicker]

People rarely rais as outlaw unless it's significantly better, especially since it has a really bad raid dps profile

[bronze pike]

i mean outlaw has seen 4 out of 7 bosses

but ya the spec is cringe and needs a facelift

[subtle tundra]

just cause it does better damage it doesnt mean it will have more parses

lol

[rotund oak]

more like a total body restructure

[bronze pike]

unfort it might not be the face lift the majority of outlaw players here would want

[rotund oak]

its unaccceptable that a spec like that exists

[bronze pike]

rogue in general is very unpopular for alot of reason

alot of it cause a lack of cool visuals

visuals attract alot of people

[amber brook]

What is happening to the weak aura?

[rotund oak]

most cooldown tracking wont be needed

blizzard embodies a cd tracker on the game

means less things to track with WA's

[vital flicker]

I think it has more to do with the fact it's hard to convince someone to play a class that is hard locked into melee dps

[radiant raven]

It's an alternative. Their own solution is strictly inferior to WA's. It's.. really not that good yet.

But it has potential.

[subtle tundra]

what cd are you tracking

that is gonna be replaced by wow's thing

[amber brook]

The cooldown tracker is coming on reset?

[rotund oak]

i track you

[amber brook]

or sometime later

[radiant raven]

11.1.5

[amber brook]

ah

[subtle tundra]

like, do you mean deathmark cd?

cause that is literally already trackable

on your fucking bars

[bronze pike]

uhuh deleted, energy normalized so adr can drop without you being turbo fucked, gsw turned into a execute to compete with crackshot, gs changed with literally anything, killing spree fixed or changed to bladerush or changed into literally anything else that wont kill you, multiple bugs fixed and the spec buffed to accomidate the large amount of % loss from bug fixes, ss having bad luck protection (most important)

im sure theres more

but like

[golden loom]

Looking at bars for cds is based

[bronze pike]

you can fix outlaw without fucking its new core rn

heck i was on the "delete crackshot" cause i didnt believe vanish bugs could be fixed. but they fixed it and its not cringe anymore

oh i guess un capped bf? thats a popular one

[radiant raven]

uncap everything

[subtle tundra]

you still need bleed trackers, energy bar, cp bar, an envenom tracker
some people get fucking kb tracker dmg

[radiant raven]

aoe caps suck!!!

(soft caps are fine)

[subtle tundra]

if youre using WAs youre not gonna stop using WAs

[bronze pike]

new ingame weak auras dont have a sound telling u when a thing is off cd

afaik

so i consider it a poop and wont change from my wa kit

[radiant raven]

It's a good alternative and system for people who don't use WA's or don't want to. But WA's are just so much more flexible and versatile.

it's cool to see though, imo.

Just like most Blizz things: more time to cook.

[vital flicker]

I mean, their reason for capping AoE no longer makes sense when other classes can do great single target and better cleave than those classes and also have uncapped AoE

[subtle tundra]

well yeah the game has changed since then

[bronze pike]

hard caps should be removed from the game

majority of specs have soft caps

cept warrior but fuck htose guys

[vital flicker]

But blizzard gets stuck in its ways sometimes

They get set on bad ideas needing to stay for no real valid reason, like covenants

[royal lantern]

if i dont have a Cat Meow everytime DM comes off Cd, why even play

[vital flicker]

Big true

[golden loom]

Personally I usually use the WA mostly to track mark, shiv during KB, caustic timer, sometimes for CDs but I feel my eyes usually go down to bars and I automatically look at base UI combo points cause im used to that

[bronze pike]

yes

[vital flicker]

I think it will be nice to have a built in option, but it is so fast to set up an aura that does what the blizzard ones do that I can't see myself switching unless the ingame system becomes better in some significant way

Or they ban WA

[iron vapor]

Can't see them banning WAs

[balmy condor]

I've been good

[red schooner]

Even did the delves

[jolly vault]

Nuhuh

[red schooner]

Damn

[balmy condor]

please usable myth track

[red schooner]

The dream

[jolly vault]

*Catalyst-able you wanted to say

[vital flicker]

9 rings inc

[kind forge]

I was staring on my screen running laps in dornogal yesterday evening because I cba doing delves

[red schooner]

Pls no more catalyst able items I'm still waiting on another catalyst charge for my gloves

[balmy condor]

I'd take ring, I don't have a myth ring

I'm literally sitting on gilded crests

cause I don't have myth track gear to upgrade

[red schooner]

I don't wanna be 2 weeks behind on catalyst

[jolly vault]

Whispyr is it ever viable to replace Circlet? If it was a Myth ring

[balmy condor]

no

[oak sparrow]

whisp wrote Cyrce is ~20 ilvl above any myth ring is nuff said

[bronze pike]

same

also

[vale lantern]

You get a myth track raid vault 😦

[balmy condor]

it's just straight up like 600 stats more than a 678 ring

[bronze pike]

wasnt this the week we are able to craft second emblishment???

[balmy condor]

more depending on your mast I guess

[bronze pike]

or well

3rd craft

[balmy condor]

third

[bronze pike]

ye

[drifting cedar]

What would you like from delves the most?

[balmy condor]

a reason to exist

[bronze pike]

if it is. why do i only have one shard???

[vital flicker]

So when we get dinars will myth Jastor take the other ring slot and then we never touch rings until next tier?

[red schooner]

Delve warband background

[balmy condor]

ye

[bronze pike]

according to icy veins

[pure moth]

You do your world soul weekly?

[indigo sphinx]

Using Bleed build in ST, is it worth using your 2 out of DM shivs on darkest night or big who cares just send?

[bronze pike]

you get it same time as everyone else do

[bronze pike]

ya the 100 shard quest

[rotund oak]

whispyr the key pusher

[jolly vault]

Bet the 15 is overtime

[balmy condor]

wish my internet didn't skullfuck me

[balmy condor]

we were over by 1:05 with 8 deaths and a mage doing 1 mil less than the other 2 dps

[jolly vault]

You seeing the dps meter

[balmy condor]

was legit like 2.4mil

barely beating prot war

[jolly vault]

Prot war is broken

[balmy condor]

yeah prot war is super broken until any mechanic occurs that cannot be blocked or spell reflected

[golden loom]

why the fk isnt shadowstep on gallywix fixed yet

[balmy condor]

and then it's a wet pile of lint

[jolly vault]

I suppose I should’ve said his damage specifically

[balmy condor]

I mean who cares about the damage if your tank is dying to melee attacks in a 16

[jolly vault]

Today in Cinder +11 I thought shadowstep would help me 2 times, both times I got hit and died when I shouldn’t have

Never using that for dodging ever again

[balmy condor]

3rd boss motherlode does magic damage with her auto attacks

every time she autos

the prot war sees his life flash before his eyes

cause he just gets obliterated

[red schooner]

Every time I shadowstep into a charging guy I think "I ain't doing that again"

[balmy condor]

unblockable magic damage auto attack

[red schooner]

I'll do it again

[balmy condor]

incredible

thank you blizzard

very cool

[jolly vault]

You right

[kind forge]

Step your frens

[bronze pike]

im sure theres a way to stop it right?

like ignore pain

i dont wariror

but even then vdh better

[red schooner]

You have the spell block thing but that's only up for like, 1/3 of the time

[rotund oak]

[bronze pike]

cause its like bdk but if bdk fucked a prot warrior and spawned better utility

for some godforshaken reason

[subtle tundra]

well back in the day she did a giga magic dot that i think you could spell reflect

[bronze pike]

god

why did vdh became meta for the 4th season in a row

get me out of this hell hole

[jolly vault]

Embrace mantra, join the BM monks in their solitude

[red schooner]

Third boss motherlode still seems weird to me. Like, what's point in clearing the floor gunk if it despawns anyhow

[bronze pike]

i dont want to open a log and see the reason fotmer is doing 0 threat and dying every 2 seconds is cause they didnt spec into key talents

imagine

[vital flicker]

Sometimes blizzard just launches a targetted attack on certain tanks like healing reductions for BDK, magic damge for prot warrior, or Brewmaster for Monks

[bronze pike]

looking at a 40% dr wall that lasts 20+ seconds and spreads to uncapped amounts of targets, while allowing you to do 40% more damage thus more sustain and healing

and saying

"its bad cause yoda said so"

[balmy condor]

wait are you talking about vdh or assa

[stuck knoll]

You can spell block it

[bronze pike]

hboth i guess

[balmy condor]

yeah for 30 seconds

[stuck knoll]

It’s basically fine 33% of the fight

Then it is

Wet fart noise

[balmy condor]

and what do you do the next minute

[red schooner]

Contemplate life choices

[jolly vault]

Make an alt on other window

[subtle tundra]

fuckk bitchessss

[stuck knoll]

I mean you actually just need to block 1 auto between casts

Like it is doable

[vital flicker]

What do you have battlerez for

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's insanely fucking cringe

[jolly vault]

First BL pull xD

[balmy condor]

in our 15 we just do the boss

[stuck knoll]

It is

[balmy condor]

and the tank hp goes 100->20 insta

[stuck knoll]

Fun fact

[balmy condor]

for legit no reason other than xd prot

[stuck knoll]

Blood shield on bdk

Doesn’t work on it either

[rotund oak]

embrace the light

[stuck knoll]

Like it just ignores your death strike shield

[rotund oak]

embrace the paladin

[royal lantern]

remember the big dragon mob in mists maze?

monk stagger didnt work for that one

so brewmaster was literally face tanking it with no mitigation

[rotund oak]

palatonk spellwarding,minibubble,calling angels from the sky

massive of heals

hofs

hojs

do i need to say more

[stuck knoll]

I have to play cringe paladin then

[jolly vault]

Nono, wait, I’m still picking which one of the 10+ different mitigations I will choose

[rotund oak]

also never care about stops anymore

[jolly vault]

Give me a sec

[rotund oak]

paladin solos everything

captain america edition

[balmy condor]

tank balance is actually horrid tbh

[rotund oak]

oh

and CR

coz paladins and light and sht

[golden loom]

another 100 in the books 😎

[jolly vault]

Wait untill Aug will be changed to a tank spec

[vital flicker]

Ive heard VDH is kinda alright in keys

[rotund oak]

[vital flicker]

Huge lfr parses

[rotund oak]

has those sigils now,alot of sielnce but still palatonk better

too much utility and stuff

plus the light compels you mfker

[jolly vault]

Cuz sigils have a CD unlike SHIELD BETCH

[vital flicker]

Yeah you're right VDH is probably trash tier

[rotund oak]

as im getting older im considering swithcing to tonk

palatonk looks nice

[jolly vault]

Palatonk is my fav tank, when you go into a pack without any def up, you just trip and fall over as soon as the first basic attack

It is quite funny to see

[rotund oak]

not ur fault

healer issue

[jolly vault]

My thoughts exactly

I personally took the Brewmaster pill

And cannot complain actually

[red schooner]

I just dabble in some bear tanking occasionally. Or to rephrase it, my guild found out I can tank on my druid and now I can't fucking escape.

[jolly vault]

A nice alt experience

[red schooner]

I just wanna cat man

[jolly vault]

Always wondered how MoP felt like, so I play BM monk now

[rotund oak]

im either bear or pala pov for tanking,maybe war

since im a mfkin alpha

but ye idk,will see

for now mage

[jolly vault]

Oof

Are you metachasing?

[bronze pike]

sigil of chains

needs to fucking die

im never inviting a vdh to motherload ever again

fuck that

[rotund oak]

no ive played alot of pvp as a mage in previous expansions,idk its just my luck on this alt,i breathe and loot everything

idk

something's srsly wrong with my mage

[jolly vault]

Honestly arcane or nothing

[rotund oak]

im frost currently,its rly fun and easy

[jolly vault]

Yea that is also fair I suppose

Indeed very fun and easy

Arcane has a slight bit more nuance to it, but once you understand it isnt hard

And the burst phase is insanely juicy

[rotund oak]

yeah

the windows are actually nuts

sht gets deleted

like u go on ML and pop cds on 1st boss,its gone

[jolly vault]

Quite so

But yeah I enjoy having less brain, so obv I play melee Assa rog

[vast shuttle]

what ilvl do i need for mythic raids?

[rotund oak]

ive came to realize that pugging as a rogue is actually self harm

[jolly vault]

Might be true xD

[rotund oak]

655-ish maybe a bit more

doesnt expect to top the meters though

aint happening

[grim jay]

well ranged is easier

[vast shuttle]

655 only?

[jolly vault]

Hell naw, speak for yourself

[vast shuttle]

i tought u needed maybe 665

[grim jay]

its quite literally the case for every dps player I know of

[jolly vault]

Well I don’t think so

[balmy condor]

665 is the average ilvl of a raid killing mythic gallywix like 2 weeks ago

[rotund oak]

mythic gallywix,u boys are crazy

bro is asking to start mythic raiding

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

people are clearing the raid at that ilvl

you don't need anywhere near that much

[rotund oak]

ah yeah gotcha

yup

[vital flicker]

Gonna start big

[grim jay]

also 665 should be fairly easy this week

unless you messed up crests

or smth

[golden loom]

I mean you probably need higher ilvl than the average raiding guild if you are just gonna pug tho

just to get accepted into groups

[vital flicker]

According to Preach Richard Reverberations=Gallywix

[rotund oak]

average should be like 658-660 at best

[red schooner]

Neat, benched on stix

I'm free

[subtle tundra]

buddy why are you even ever listening to a person not playing the game

[rotund oak]

u can 662 prolly with bad management even

[vast shuttle]

never played pve before started about one week ago iam at 2.3k rating now. but when i did normal and then switched to heroic raids the bosses get new spells?

[red schooner]

We have 2 boomies and boomies are 8th and 9th on add damage

[balmy condor]

yes, they get new abilities with higher difficulties

[subtle tundra]

and mythic is even harder!

[grim jay]

sounds as cursed as our breakdown on richard was

[red schooner]

I almost beat one for the boomies for damage to bombshells above 80%

As fucking sin

Sir how

You hit starfall then go afk

[subtle tundra]

idk how you can be below like 666 unless you have no mythic gear from not doing your vault

[vast shuttle]

bruh did the heroic mug zee and i rlly tought that was already hard

lol

[red schooner]

665 but vault decided 'nah, you're getting 3 shit mythic trinkets week 1'

So I took heroic mechanocore instead and it's fine

[grim jay]

one bad week doesnt kill you

[subtle tundra]

yeah thats 15 less crests

[grim jay]

I already had a socket week

[subtle tundra]

mythic crests

than a person getting a good item

[rotund oak]

yeah even not playing the game makes u 662

means u can enter mythic raiding pretty much

[red schooner]

I could get 666 but I'm holding off spending crests on upgrading a hero track item til I see what the vault has tomorrow

[stuck knoll]

Me when I see Kujos and some other dogshit in my vault week 2

[red schooner]

It hurts

[subtle tundra]

imagine not having upgraded hc gear(i was on gallywix and no mythic gear to upgrade)

[red schooner]

It's on 658 but the second I upgrade something I'll get it on mythic on the vault. Holding it til tomorrow so I can work around vault

[grim jay]

I only used mythic crests for trinkets so far

and mythic pieces/crafts

[subtle tundra]

i crafted a chest cause it was my biggest upgrade. cursed ass tier

[red schooner]

If vault screws me I'll send a craft but surely it can't screw me this time

Surely

[balmy condor]

if vault screws me I'm unironically sending crests to 6/6 hero

[subtle tundra]

just take half a spark

and craft

[red schooner]

... that'll also be my play

[balmy condor]

and what do I do with the other 90 crests

[subtle tundra]

kill a mythic boss

and get the loots

[balmy condor]

yeah ez pz

[stuck knoll]

There is no way vault screws me this week

I am definitely getting HoC or BIS from vault

There is no chance I don’t

[buoyant herald]

I’ve got my biggest vault of the season so far so I’m guaranteed rubbish

Nothing can compare to week one signet from my one myth slot

[red schooner]

I'm kind of resigned to using the dinar on a myth house of cards, got a champ track one from raid so I ain't getting the hero track one any time soon

[buoyant herald]

I think dinar has to be eye or jastor for me

[zenith elm]

Idk on which items i'll use my dinars on

[stuck knoll]

I have a HC one so the only way I get mythic is vault or dinar

[zenith elm]

jastor or HOC i'll say

[stuck knoll]

I don’t really wanna use a dinar on it tho

[zenith elm]

I hope we get more than on dinars

like two

is perfect

[stuck knoll]

I thought it was supposed to be 3

But I am saying that off of memory

[zenith elm]

Is it 3??

[stuck knoll]

So don’t quote

[earnest remnant]

not like you will be free from mug'zee before they come out anyway

[stuck knoll]

But I believe it’s 3

[stuck knoll]

That’s toxic

We got to 3rd soak last night

[red schooner]

"We're getting 3" - Ronkley, 2025

[earnest remnant]

soon done with the HC mechanics then

[balmy condor]

purple name said so

[zenith elm]

I aint even begining MM rn

[balmy condor]

write it down

[stuck knoll]

It’s funny first say I am like “damn we’re doing quite well and making good progress on day 1”

[subtle tundra]

anyone know why my guild has never seen the very rare back drop

its quite weird

[stuck knoll]

I can’t wait to continue wiping at the same point for 2 weeks

I think we’ve only seen it once

[subtle tundra]

not from normal, hc, mythic

[grim jay]

most fights arent even consistently long enough for eye at that point anymore

imo

so its really jastor vs hoc

[subtle tundra]

we did have like 5-6 jastors

drops

[zenith elm]

Even more from a M+ standpoint

[grim jay]

it sucks for m+ either way

[stuck knoll]

It’s too hard to keep stacked

[grim jay]

unless you got a tank / group dedicated to have it running

[zenith elm]

yes thats why its HOC or jastor

[midnight mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stuck knoll]

@earnest remnant where are you guys on Mugzee now

Have you been on it a week was it?

[tall atlas]

zacs was best eu

[midnight mist]

real

[earnest remnant]

90 pulls

8%

[zenith elm]

damn you're near

[stuck knoll]

[earnest remnant]

think we played a bit too sloppy early on, on the boss

but last 2 raids have been pretty good

[zenith elm]

Have you seen the new hotfix ?

[devout pine]

Do you force yourself to a gaol with the body of your character or is always enough with the spatter from the boss?

[zenith elm]

now we can skip to mugzee or bandit

[devout pine]

yesterday was my first night on mugzee, i was putting lot of dmg (more than ignite) but just in case im asking if there is an optimization

[gritty haven]

Will The bleed build overtake current build in raid situation?

[static geyser]

wym

[red schooner]

Imagine not playing bleed build in raids

Gotta commit

ALL IN BAYBEE

[desert crest]

next balance patch kingsbane 50% nerf envenom 50% buff

[gritty haven]

Aah i see! Thanks!

[desert crest]

lul

[static geyser]

crazy

[hollow wren]

I`m seeing people run Zoldyck Recipe and Arterial precision instead of Amplifying poison, poison bomb and dragon-tempered blade

Is this the new meta or what?

[static geyser]

thats the bleed build

[static geyser]

atm seems better than hybrid

[red schooner]

Bleed build good build

Join us

[late ravine]

What's ur biggest Sudden executes?

[tawdry mica]

I haven't been the same since I started playing bleed build

[hollow wren]

What about single target? I play mostly m+

[red schooner]

Slight increase

Zoldyck and blindside good

By slight increase I mean our st in m+ is still not great but ye

[tawdry mica]

Getting free ambushes feels infinitetly better

[lusty kraken]

Slight increase compared to what?

Hybrid build or the damage before the buff?

[pliant remnant]

Hybrid

[lusty kraken]

Really now

Hell yeah

I assume the funnel is not as good as hybrid?

[spice surge]

Theres practically no difference in damage profile

[lusty kraken]

Hmm I assumed you envenom less

I assumed wrong I guess

[spice surge]

Well yes

But that doesnt mean you do much less prio

[lusty kraken]

Fair enough

I also assume the rotation in ST feels less worse thanks to blindside, right

[red schooner]

It still ain't great but nothing much changes ST wise other than keep CT up

[snow hamlet]

Common misconceptions about bleed builds:

1. no KB= less ST damage

2. Zoldyck+SD=trash mobs killer=no prio damage

[red schooner]

Blindside helps though, still a bit energy starved a bunch though

[pliant remnant]

So is it a bit, or a bunch?

[red schooner]

Yes

[pliant remnant]

[red schooner]

It's the middle ground between them, a binch

[pliant remnant]

Got 99 problems but a binch ain't one

[lusty kraken]

At least I will feel good when I get blindside procs

[red schooner]

And feel even better in zoldyck window

More blindside

[humble verge]

aint no way

he made a bleed build role

[red schooner]

[tawdry mica]

[subtle kiln]

[radiant raven]

[warm vortex]

[silver sail]

Can someone talk about bleed build shiv usage in aoe? Once I have all the bleeds out with 5 rupture and CT, I start pressing Shiv and rotation as normal?

Or wait until 35% health to press Shiv?

[spice surge]

Have 2 charges for DM

Dont sit on 2 charges

[tall atlas]

bleleds boiz

bleeds

[hollow wren]

How do ya'll dea with chaining?

[tawdry mica]

i shout at the tank

🗣️

[red schooner]

Vanish, or just use energy from bleeds on previous pack to quickly set up on new pack

[sand dirge]

And with only 1 charge when i spec into iron wire?

[spice surge]

on cd

[iron vapor]

Don't spec iron wire 🤷🏻‍♂️

[red schooner]

NGL bleed build deals a bit better with tanks that leave a single low hp mob up and then go next, demise helps

[warm vortex]

Eh

Depends on dungeon

Like if you don't take iw in priory you are big stinker

[hollow wren]

I'm struggling to bring the dps to 4m, to go above 5m dps on a big pack aswell

Maybe not having 4 set pieces is fking me up

But I don't think its just that

[warm vortex]

Depends on key level, what key it is, what comp you are running and your gear

For example
4 mil is ok on priory
4 mil dps in ToP is...
Well if you manage to somehow do 4mil in a top colour me shocked

[iron vapor]

4 piece doesn't make that much difference

[warm vortex]

At keast from what i've seem

[tawdry mica]

It depends on the tank as well like so mcuh

[warm vortex]

Could be wrong

[hollow wren]

So its probably some mistake on my part, gonna start logging and comeback

[iron vapor]

Do you mean 4m overall, or 4 m while in a big pack?

[warm vortex]

Also

How high is casutic spatter on your dps meter

If you are playing hybrid it should be ahead by miles iirc

[iron vapor]

Because 4m overall is decent, struggling to hit 4m with 8+ mobs around you is not decent.

[warm vortex]

What if the mobs die in 2 seconds because you have 2 rets for some reason

Jkjk

I get what you mean

[hollow wren]

Both, kekw, I usually get to 4~5m on bigger packs, but struggle to go beyond
And my overall is 2m on a 7~9 key

[tawdry mica]

You can do higher

[iron vapor]

You running bleed yeh?

[hollow wren]

No, old poison

[warm vortex]

5m on a big pack is
Sorta like S1 numbers
At least in keys where mobs live for a bit

[iron vapor]

Ohhh

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[iron vapor]

Change to bleed, it's so much easier and does big numbers in aoe

Or if in hybrid you can still do big numbers on a pack, just gotta blast a kingsbane every now and then

And by 'every now and then' I mean ON COOLDOWN

[tall atlas]

iif youre finding youre wasting time maybe changing targets to spread bleeds just spam them on one target and they will spread themselves, not as efficient but it will do the job

[iron ivy]

Im a bit confused. Do bleed builds also work at higher keys, and what is in this context a 'higher key'?

[iron vapor]

But bleed is just better right now, not by a lot when they're both played perfectly, but bleed is a lot easier to play

[hollow wren]

Isn't kingsbane a st cd? I do blow it on packs tho, even the other 2min cd

[warm vortex]

Yea
Hybrid still does more damage in higher keys right

Like

When you get past 13s or smth

Might need to check with whispyr

[warm vortex]

spatter

[iron vapor]

Fuck knows, I don't bother beyond 12!

[warm vortex]

It's nature damage so caustic spatter makes it cleave

Same with envenom

[zenith elm]

Whispyr is still playing it at 14 and up i think

[iron vapor]

Yeah, kingsbane with a shiv for the last 8 seconds splashes NICE with caustic

[warm vortex]

Bleed or hybrid?

[zenith elm]

Bleed

[warm vortex]

Huh fr?

Weird

[zenith elm]

Yes

[warm vortex]

Thought hybrid was higher

I'll check higher runs rq

[royal lantern]

nah, blizz nerfed kb into the ground

kingsbane outside of Deathmark does less dmg then a DN envenom

[hot flicker]

This doesn’t work no I thought it just refreshes the bleed

[iron vapor]

Blast is on every pack, as long as you have caustic spatter going it's just free damage

[warm vortex]

Yea the highest assa keys i've seen so far are running hybrid from what i've seen

[iron vapor]

Make sure your punchbag has lots of health left though because you want the last few ticks go BIG and the first ones don't

[zenith elm]

Highest yes, but i've seen assa rogue do it at 15 even 16

[royal lantern]

ven, you know how it Works

[warm vortex]

Yeye

[royal lantern]

[warm vortex]

Both play like near identical rota wise

[warm vortex]

True

I mean casaul isn't on any of the ones i saw

He plays neither bleed or hybrid

He plays his own build XD

[crisp stream]

He plays, induction build with ttk

[warm vortex]

Seen zerross and 叶落小红手 mainly

[normal mist]

I know that second guy

[warm vortex]

That's his actual name

[normal mist]

Hi ven

[warm vortex]

Also yeye hi royal!!

[normal mist]

Yesterday I had dinner with guild members / guild master

[warm vortex]

Yooo thats sick!!!!!!

I need to meet my guldies at some point tbh

[normal mist]

It helps most of us are from the same city

[warm vortex]

Yea

Also im debating weather to do 13s or gear my destro

[royal lantern]

dont let bro cook

[warm vortex]

I wanna gear my destro but they low ilevel

So i'd need to leech of guldies

Also realisation i might not complete my trench mog for a week or so

[normal mist]

Wow isn't a Sprint

It's a bad marathon

That you eventually quit half way

[warm vortex]

You are implying wow does something good to your body in any sort of way

[normal mist]

It does

It made me rethink my existence, that's why I went to the gym last year

Did I also quit gym? Yes

But that's besides the point

[red schooner]

One time a year is fine

Probably

[warm vortex]

I've started doing exercise every day

[normal mist]

All I need is to become a dad to lose weight

[warm vortex]

Like i still do workouts

But i do a few sets of things before my day

Not as much as a workout, but it's still better than nothing

[royal lantern]

that made me laugh mate

[normal mist]

Hehehehe

[warm vortex]

Royal is too busy hunting monsters to care about the gym

[normal mist]

Nah, I'm not that addicted

And game is too easy rn

[red schooner]

I've started running and why do I do this to myself

[warm vortex]

So you don't die by 35

[red schooner]

I spent 38 minutes on the treadmill on Friday and it's boring as shit.

I've had to resort to audiobooks to make me not fall asleep

[warm vortex]

Just play balatro

Ez

[red schooner]

God no if I install it on my phone I'm done

[broken chasm]

when should i drop shiv when playing bleed build?

[frigid kestrel]

Casual has played both and a mix of his own. He played a 16 a few days ago on bleed.

Honestly, it’s pretty much at the point where you can play what you want tbh. Bleed, Hybrid, and any mix you can think of has been played in 14 - 17 keys and preformed well.

[spice surge]

Shiv doesnt increase spatter damage

(unless you have arterial precision which cleaves the shiv ofc)

[tall jay]

is our "aoe" rotation start at 3 or 4 targets?

[jolly vault]

I usually do it on DM, when Nature dmg increase drops after DM, and then under 35% cuz of Zoldyck.
You can choose your prefference, just don’t hold 2 charges for too long

[iron carbon]

Depends your talent. With the MM+ build, 2+ target. In ST build, 3+

[tall jay]

Ok, but for FoK we only use it on ST to clear the clear the witness proc and on 4 or more targets?

[grim jay]

bleed build is 3 targets for mut/ambush

[iron carbon]

Wait really?

[grim jay]

ye

its in the newest pin aswell

[rancid summit]

I see the wowhead guide says to prioritize crit over mastery now. Makes sense for the vicious venoms changes, but wouldn't we still want mastery for the bleed build?

[tall jay]

I need to go watch whispyrs video again. It’s early and I’m tired sorry for asking redundant questions. But get rup on all targets in pack along with garrotes and the FoK envenom spam correct

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[iron carbon]

Missed it, idd

[grim jay]

you rupture for scent on hybrid and more with the bleed build

[iron carbon]

And it's on the wowhead guide

[iron carbon]

Only apply for hybrid build then

[cobalt gazelle]

anyone know any script for plater that changes the color of the nameplate if they have rupture/garrote

[tall jay]

So, in poor man’s English, just maintain a few and go with it?

[grim jay]

idk, exactly what I said

cant really explain it differently

[iron vapor]

Oh shit, I've just re-read it and yeah it doesn't increase poisons just bleeds 🤦

[spice surge]

Arterial makes shiv hit multiple targets

So then it increases spatter damage

[fresh mica]

how do we use tea with the bleed build, still with shiv ?

[spice surge]

But if you only hit one target, it only increases the nature damage that target takes, not all other targets

[iron vapor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[iron vapor]

But CS causes 40% of poison damage to splash, so if my poison damage is higher because of shiv.... More spatter.

[spice surge]

Say you do a 100 envenom, that would spatter 40 damage and do 100 damage to your main target

[iron vapor]

40% of 100 is less than 40% of 130

[golden loom]

the target that is shivved takes more damage, you dont deal more damage

[sonic schooner]

100 spatter

[spice surge]

Now you have shiv, you do a 100 envenom, that spatter 40 damage and then it gets the shiv damage and does 130 to your main target

[iron vapor]

Oh, I always assumed it would take 40% of the total envenom

So 52 from a 130 envenom

[spice surge]

Then arterial would make it so you would spatter 67

[sonic schooner]

It s doing weird with amp damage yea

Same as GS and BF

[spice surge]

With your logic on something like silken court with arterial you would do a 100 envenom, it would hit the main target for 100 x 2 x 1.3 = 260, then it would spatter 104 and then get amped to 270

Which would be very weird

[iron vapor]

Why x2?

It's been a few months since I did silken court!

[golden loom]

boss damage amp

but another example would be cauldron, they take more damage during charge right?

[iron vapor]

Oh yeah, after the charge

[spice surge]

They do not

[golden loom]

nvm

I dont even know where I got that from

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[iron ivy]

Opener of bleed build in AoE is applying bleed to all targets and casting shiv?

[white mulch]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[warm vortex]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[nova aspen]

bleed video for the pookies soon

[iron ivy]

yay 😄

[spice surge]

All the gameplay differences are mentioned in the pin

It generally isnt much different

[nova aspen]

yes but i am a pookie

[sonic schooner]

More bleed content

[nova aspen]

i need to read that hero talent when i get home

hero talent change is

[broken chasm]

Will bleed build work on every +12/14 dungeon or are there some for which it is better to choose a hybrid?

[spice surge]

You can keep momentum for like +1% ST

[nova aspen]

oh ok

ill take any ST gain i can get

for obvious reasons

[spice surge]

Smaller demise though

[iron vapor]

Hero talent change?

[sonic schooner]

Smaller D

As we say

[nova aspen]

when the unh dk in my group in a +14 top goes holy was that a demise?

that was my d yes

[spice surge]

[lethal lynx]

If you don't have any vanishes and your bleeds are dropping off in AoE do you literally just sit there building combo points and rupturing everything manually?

[spice surge]

Yes

[lethal lynx]

Yeah I thought so

Feels so bad

[grim jay]

wait you mean

it feels bad to spread dots on a dot spec?

[lethal lynx]

1 target at a time yeah

but it's acceptable

it just feels brutal compared to IC

[rotund oak]

now thats mfkin' alpha 🤘

[nova aspen]

we don't talk about the next mob though

[neat jacinth]

When do we even envenom in AoE then?

[spice surge]

Still did 1.6 so wasnt so bad

[nova aspen]

without a dm??

[sonic schooner]

deathmark

• demise

=

[nova aspen]

but zeross says mechagon is a sub key

[sonic schooner]

it is

better as sub

definitly

[iron vapor]

Yeah, FoK, tab, rupture, FoK, tab, rupture, etc

[sonic schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1358838008228483362/image.png?ex=67f5f4c3&is=67f4a343&hm=13802a2c4b86aeb5f7bbcf6064feb32b8b517f1eaaab6c4796dac91a7a4b4477&

[barren yarrow]

wtf 😳 lol

[sonic schooner]

this is zero and i in ws yersteday

can see we have the same brain

dying at the same thing

[nova aspen]

i like sub in top, workshop, cleft

but the 2nd half of top

sin for first and gorechop

[iron vapor]

Fuuuuuuuuuck that's a lot of burst

[spice surge]

It is with BL (for some reason)

[nova aspen]

refreshing bleeds when they have 19s left is peak d maxxing

[modest gazelle]

outside of shrouded suffocation spread, is garroting off targets on trash generally worth it instead of FoK'ing?

[grim jay]

no

not in aoe

[iron vapor]

Nah, FoK for energy/combo point is way better

And you'll end up doing more damage from the CS after you envenom than you would with the whole garotte

Depending on size of pack etc.

[spice surge]

26 seconds of rupture x 4 (3 targets+DM) getting demised is gonna do way more than an envenom

[nova aspen]

yeah true

also why are u tracking deadly poison

[spice surge]

its only the DM one

Its because i forgor to blacklist it

[nova aspen]

i need to whitelist tempest

[sonic schooner]

i kinda wanna try forced induction

[nova aspen]

on nameplates

[sonic schooner]

but losing energy

[nova aspen]

when they chain pull i cant remember if they've been CT'd or not

[spice surge]

I tried it in a priory 14. I think its fine overall, but oh boy did i not do much damage to the second boss DM timing was awful too

It came up when boss at had 70%, so i only got one of and it wasnt in execute

[nova aspen]

id recraft my gear for bleed maxxing if i wasn't progging stix as sub

[spice surge]

I mean as long as you dont have crit youre bleed maxxing really

[sonic schooner]

yea that s the issue of bleed build imo eleem

u gotta keep dm

to be sure to have 2 of them, 3 maybe, on bosses

in higher keys it s a thing to consider

[spice surge]

I mean ye but that should be a positive for bleed build

As you can delay DM without inting your aoe damage

Since DM is pretty much only a ST cooldown

[sonic schooner]

well that mean u cant really use cds for packs before bosses, which are usually the hard ones

[nova aspen]

do you shiv before or after casting dm?

[spice surge]

ye but you cant do that as hybrid either then

[crisp stream]

In high keys DM comes up for almost all packs

Big ones

[spice surge]

Hybrid is more reliant on DM than bleed

on cds rather

dm+kb

[sonic schooner]

not using follow the blood for now i guess

cant allow myself to lose single target that bad

[crisp stream]

Bleed build you use one shiv with DM and one towards the end of DM?

[spice surge]

I was moreso talking about forced induction instead of tea censi, and the ST being terrible with that

Since you dont have tea

[sonic schooner]

yea at that point u press envenom only for dn right?

you dont have any spared energy

[spice surge]

I mean tea doesnt give that much

[sonic schooner]

doing some dummies rn but i hate it being on execute, i need an empty layer

it s more about vigor i think, tea also a bit

[spice surge]

Its just the same really

Vigor isnt that impactful, since its only base regen

Its more like 5% than 10%

on ST that is, even less on aoe

[sonic schooner]

i see i see

[rotund hornet]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[sonic schooner]

still crazy to me that bleed does more ST than something like that

but i trust numbers and i trust my dummy testing

[spice surge]

Blindside good

[sonic schooner]

yea i guess so

they really giga buffed it

blindslide + zoldycks are real good additions

[barren yarrow]

@spice surge how did you burst that last few seconds.

[solar wyvern]

Its always fun being in execute and watching your dps slowly climb

[barren yarrow]

I’m always ramping then kind of tapers off

[spice surge]

Sudden demise

[barren yarrow]

ohhhh

[rotund oak]

no ap and blindside and u trade double vanish for forced induction

https://tenor.com/eN85caNnI91.gif

[barren yarrow]

maybe I just notice it

[rotund oak]

thats a strange cook

[barren yarrow]

Don’t

[rotund oak]

like i cant find a reason to ditch AP/Blindside

[sonic schooner]

i would lose double vanish tbh, it s good qol but isnt really that usefull tbh. But i dont wanna lose subterfuge at all

[near valley]

fellow dn enthusiast

[subtle kiln]

I enjoy dbl vanish for chain pulling and just slamming bleeds all over

[broken chasm]

!vexie

[sonic schooner]

i m fine losing double vanish QoL and applying bleeds one by one if that means more overall damage from my team chaining

[broken chasm]

!cauldron

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[sonic schooner]

[near valley]

rik the only one who matters

based

[rotund oak]

Censi-igiveaF

for my team

where is the real censi

what have u done to him

speak up

🗡️

[sonic schooner]

i mean

i always said it, i m a team player at first

i learnt rogue with ramfam AKA do everything u need to get carried by your team, also known as carry your carriers

but nowadays

cant press cheapshot or ks without losing 269% dps

[rotund oak]

Ramfam

the goat

[sonic schooner]

no

ramfam ram

[rotund oak]

true

[sonic schooner]

dont missgenre him !

[rotund oak]

🐏

[sonic schooner]

that s kinda insulting to say goat

assuming his type wtf wtf

[near valley]

aren't they the same thing?

[rotund oak]

ok thats cringe

[near valley]

(they're not*)

oh damn a ram is just a male sheep

learn something new everyday i guess

[sonic schooner]

[stuck jacinth]

is there any good tldr list this season for shit you can break with vanish?

[gusty mirage]

hasn't been since SL

covid gave me a ton of free time where I could sit down and manually test everything

in later seasons in SL we tried getting the community involved and they did for a bit then nothing, and I haven't had much free time to make one since

[sonic schooner]

!bos

[spice surge]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pve-dps-mythic-plus-tips?area=area_b
Not quite what you were asking for, but i have a bunch of them listed in the dungeon tips at the bottom of this page

[sonic schooner]

😔

[gusty mirage]

I remember entering Halls of Atonement and sitting there for 4 hours testing feint/vanish/cloak on dif stuff

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-mandalorian-laugh-cry-gif-21495683

[near valley]

bro?

[spice surge]

Most notable one that comes to mind is the targeted shadowblast on last boss of cleft

[amber brook]

In bleed builds do we use shiv back to back like a kingsbane window?

[gusty mirage]

second most notable is cloaking the blast on the poop boss in motherlode

effectively ruining the clear

[spice surge]

Not that it really matters anyway

[gusty mirage]

it used to back in my day

[spice surge]

You get way more clear than you need

[gusty mirage]

this tear gas shit on the big mechs

is fucking toxic

idk if its better or worse than the deflect shield tho

[near valley]

better

[gusty mirage]

I pug with terrorists apparently

because there's always ranged up melee's ass

[stuck jacinth]

Understood, thanks for what you did back then @gusty mirage

Only ones I know of off the top of my head is Lightspawn focus' and cleft retargeting on cast but ya thanks for the other piece @spice surge

[gusty mirage]

AND ITS ALWAYS A BOOMKIN

[near valley]

typical boomie behaviour

[stuck jacinth]

if you do to Mega-Zap on King Mechagon I assume it just re-targets doesn't actually cancel

[gusty mirage]

[near valley]

subconsciously rp'ing the better spec that is feral

[gusty mirage]

yeah vanish causes him to retarget

[spice surge]

If youre the first target he gets a ministroke

[stuck jacinth]

almost not worth that unless it will kill you/have a stack

[spice surge]

And delays it by like 4-5s

[stuck jacinth]

ahhh

ministroke

didn't know that mechanic