assassination

[spice spire]

Well yes

But no

[subtle kiln]

when do we hit the need vers for survival point?

[spice spire]

It depends on the build you do

Like I said

My wants are all over the place

The only constant is sim wants mastery

[subtle kiln]

mostly in your pants

[azure dirge]

Guys I got a mythic dagger this week, my stat weight dungeon slice says to sell it to a vendor

[barren yarrow]

Wut

[subtle kiln]

DE it

and if you can't swap to enchanting so you can

[subtle tundra]

the What

[barren yarrow]

lol did you get an intellect dagger

[spice spire]

Rn in aoe + raid it wants crit, in st it wants only mastery and haste with a side of vers

[subtle tundra]

the fucking what

[spice spire]

Pawn is a bad add on

[barren yarrow]

don’t lie!

[subtle kiln]

nah they crafted an int dagger

[azure dirge]

For transmog yea

[barren yarrow]

well

yeah sell it lol

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dancing-celebrate-excited-gif-3672728657608103768

[barren yarrow]

Oh tmog

Nvm

[azure dirge]

[cerulean burrow]

hmm i guess im very confused now

[barren yarrow]

My only question is how long did it take people in here to learn the spec lol

[azure dirge]

My goal is to have enough daggers that I can throw them at the boss

[barren yarrow]

Makes sense

[spice spire]

When you’re doing this are you in mythic plus or raid

That you’re asking about

[cerulean burrow]

raid single target

[nimble vector]

send 2 shivs with KB + deathmark, send 1 shiv after this when Darkest Night is up, send 1 shiv with the last 8s of next KB, save next 2 charges for KB + DM

[barren yarrow]

Boom mic drop

[spice spire]

What uggz said but yeah

[barren yarrow]

basically you don’t wanna touch shiv at all outside of those windows.

in raid

[cerulean burrow]

okay thank you

[barren yarrow]

@timber meadow

Does this sim seem right. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tDRh6AWogzxCRRsesaB2Ye

[cerulean burrow]

do i send that second shive when darkest night is up prior to me spending the full combo point envenom ? like essentially will i be using shive at that point to get to the max combo points ?

[nimble vector]

doesn't really matter as long as the shiv buff + supercharger is up for the darkest night I would imagine

[hearty reef]

https://tenor.com/view/mondays-garfield-i-hate-mondays-garfield-hate-mondays-monday-feeling-gif-15233904402352358567

[timber meadow]

seem right in what regard? the number is similar to mine. lil higher

[grand trail]

after we spent two raid days on reclear of stixx and sprocket mondey is finally day we got to progress new boss 😄

[timber meadow]

i also have like close to zero haste so my st bleed sim is kinda low, think i can get some haste instead of crit

[spice spire]

14k is the ideal number

[timber meadow]

i dont really pay attention to the overall # tbh

moreso just compare individual pieces and adjust that way

[spice spire]

I just listen to what robot wants

Genuinely will likely make two sets of gear this season

[barren yarrow]

Gems

Just weird to me how ALL my gems simmed to haste lol.

I guess I have enough mastery crit

[timber meadow]

well haste is even better in st than it is in aoe for bleed

[barren yarrow]

But I’m trying to farm the neck from Cinder brew and now I don’t know if I should do that

yeah

Well, I guess I would help in the overall key.

my AOE is fucking crazy.

[wild star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[timber meadow]

yeah this is what i do - dont think going for an "ideal number" makes a ton of sense

[spice spire]

Yeah it doesn’t

Hence the meme

There’s never an ideal number, things fluctuate depending on what you have: that’s just how it works for this spec

[timber meadow]

its worked that way for a while

[spice spire]

That’s how it’s always worked

[timber meadow]

iono you were the one saying some random ideal number 🤣

[spice spire]

That’s not a while

Yeah

Doesn’t dictate serious

[willow falcon]

wanted to test the bleed build in my weekly 10s and this happened

[timber meadow]

i have no idea what that is

[willow falcon]

sd is cracked

[timber meadow]

thats garfield? lol

[golden loom]

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Does this look like the face of a serious man

[coral ibex]

[timber meadow]

its also not "this expansion"

[sour elm]

why are there always garfields all over the rogue discord

[spice spire]

I didn’t say this expansion

[timber meadow]

oh you said spec, okay

[spice spire]

I said that’s how the spec works

[timber meadow]

yeah that's correct

[coral ibex]

that's how the spec works

[vast shuttle]

i have 660 gear and when iam on boos i average 1.3m dps is it bad?

[spice spire]

Your boss damage is going to suck. It’s the way of the road. Make up for it with banzai aoe

[sour elm]

(I don't get it but I dig it)

[timber meadow]

your boss dmg doesn't have to suck tbh

1.3 is really low

you can def be competitive with good play

[timber meadow]

is this some meme I dont know about lol

[spice spire]

1.3 makes sense. You’re not always starting the fight with dm or what have you. If your ideal sim at 3m is 1.7 and you’re only getting half of your burst windows

It suffers

[timber meadow]

yeah in the situation where you dont have dm it'll be lower

but just telling the guy his st is gonna suck isn't true

[golden loom]

idk tbh I just like the cat

[vast shuttle]

uknow any good dps video?

[timber meadow]

nah not relaly i still suck for the most part

[spice spire]

I mean it does though. There’s a very noticeable difference in your aoe and your st.

There’s also a very noticeable difference in m+ st and raid ST.

Your ST is less than others; otherwise we would not have big aoe. Unless we were enhance from last season

[timber meadow]

nah last season we had very good both

dont have to be enhance

[mint valve]

is your guys's bleed build simming higher than hybrid build?

[timber meadow]

our st is less than our aoe relatively speaking - true

our st doesn't have to "suck" though

dk's for example dont have great st. infact our aoe may be comparatively more worse than their aoe than our st is to theirs

[vast shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sZ8ks21ibNx66Bydbsxt9x

is the dps bad?

[amber sun]

did they ever nerf double attrophic?

[barren yarrow]

For me yes

[subtle kiln]

press CT more

[timber meadow]

^

[mint valve]

how did you manage this? can i see your sim?

for Dslice, my hybrid is simming around 50k higher than my bleed build?

[timber meadow]

people who say sd is cracked are just doing really low keys... soon as you do any key above like a 12 ct is what becomes way more impressive

(no key shame btw - just kinda a fact)

[willow falcon]

i mean i just thought 32 mil is a big number lmao

[drifting cloud]

yes but its bugged again apparently

[spice surge]

Is 14s really low keys?

[subtle kiln]

i just enjoy watching SD pop

its the simple things

[spice spire]

Yeah I mean

[amber sun]

thanks

[timber meadow]

at this point? prob? iono just depends what your frame of reference is

[fallow canopy]

SD deniers just can't accept the truth

[haughty flicker]

yeah if you arent doing 27s you're doing low keys

i dont make the rules

wait i lost my role

[timber meadow]

yeah iono

[haughty flicker]

[subtle kiln]

if you're not spec swapping in keys, your keys are too low

[timber meadow]

the number prob doesn't matter as much as whether mobs are living long - so more about your group prob

[spice spire]

I mean I do know.
38 casts of CT nets 900k dps.
0 casts of SD nets 400k

That’s just gains per cast baby

[onyx linden]

What is double atropic? Two rogues can stack it?

[timber meadow]

i dont think you wanna get into an efficiency contest of ct vs. sd

[subtle kiln]

0 casts of KB nets 2.2m dps

[timber meadow]

thats a battle you'll lose every time xD

[haughty flicker]

bleed enjoyers unite

fight against the oppression of the nonbelievers

[spice spire]

You’re right the bleed damage amp is insane value from SD

Ct could never

[subtle kiln]

no... no one has 2 rogues in a guild

[golden loom]

we are 2 🙂

[subtle kiln]

fake news

[timber meadow]

lol you actually think ct is less efficient than what goes into your sd dmg?

[spice spire]

I do as well but we’re rats

[golden loom]

Well SD's value is the 15% bleed damage

that also makes CT better

they are in symbiosis

[timber meadow]

oh yeah, thought you were talking about the actual dmg and i was like this man is off his rocker

[haughty flicker]

i miss symbiosis

[spice spire]

Not in a million yesrs, CT GIGA cranks, but it’s also a lot more valuable than you think

Also Owen is English a second language to you? I’ve been very sarcastic a lot

[timber meadow]

i have a cognitive disorder that makes it hard for me to understand sarcasm/memes etc

[spice spire]

And that’s not always picked up when it’s not the first language! If so my apologies

Ahh

My bad dog I’m not being very serious. Outside of “my sim wants haste st in bleed build” I’ve not been serious at all

[timber meadow]

im usually good at picking up on the emotes and stuff

[spice spire]

Well like SD does have value but CT is like insane raw dam

Buffed preseason btw

[subtle kiln]

this is how I piss off so many people. I try to do better with it. sarcastic struggle is real in multilingual text based communication

[spice spire]

Yeah was just making sure I thought it was obvious but I’ve seen it on ESL and some who take things literally due to cognitive reasons. Wasn’t trying to poke fun, just understand where the dissonance was

[keen spruce]

[subtle kiln]

i at least filter out my dark humor

[amber sun]

yes was a bug last addon

[fallow canopy]

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

You run two so you can take a nap because your rl thinks atrophic matters on farm

(it doesnt)

[timber meadow]

oh yeah you're good, like the garfield thing i shoulda picked up on. usually absurd stuff followed by an emote i get is sarcasm... also in voice i come across completely normal (I think) cuase im good at picking up on vocal tones... .discord is just tough cuase you dont know the person at all and have very little context a lot of the time

[spice spire]

100% and now I have a better understanding

[haughty flicker]

i just assume everyone is talking out of their ass on discord

because thats what i do

[fallow canopy]

same

[spice spire]

Of needing to clarify if you take something unserious (14k haste) seriously

[fallow canopy]

[spice spire]

When I’m on my nonsense

[waxen oyster]

man

[spice spire]

[waxen oyster]

who tf has 14k haste

you playing tanks?

[spice spire]

Me

[haughty flicker]

me smile

[spice spire]

Nah I’m playing sin and the robot is allergic to crit

[waxen oyster]

i just did underpin on 2 chars

rogue i actually had to pay attention

tank i just, brain afked

[spice spire]

Ye

Tank you kick balls and Netflix

[waxen oyster]

i didnt even kick balls

half the time

[spice spire]

Did it 630 week one and ?? Is probably doable at a low ilvl

Lmfao

[waxen oyster]

[waxen oyster]

me when a casual be like "idk if i can do a t8 delve at 611 ilvl"

mfw prot pala

[spice spire]

Go tank

Life is easy

[barren yarrow]

Rogue tank?

I’m down

all the aggro

[waxen oyster]

ye idk tank feels like im just netflixing

while playing

perma

[timber meadow]

tanking keys is pretty fun in my experience, tanking raid can be fairly snooze

[waxen oyster]

tanking raid is just bedge

[wild star]

Hey ! 😄

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xBdftJ26aBMaEWjrYbZHaC

I can change something here? 😄

[normal mist]

your transmog

(just kidding)

[wild star]

ye i should

[balmy condor]

take the double shiv talent over fatal conc

fatal conc blows

[hardy rapids]

I’m fucking SCARED to tank high keys because if I brick someone’s key from pulling wrong or don’t know a route I will cry

I’ll dps up to 2.5-3k any day

[timber meadow]

yeah dude some people are like wildly toxic tbh especially at certain key ranges

[spice spire]

Who cares they’re just keys

Genuinely

[hardy rapids]

My ego

[timber meadow]

but also yeah just gotta not take it personally /care

[royal lantern]

use cds when you pull a pack and thats it

[normal mist]

@balmy condor which server should i choose?

[royal lantern]

you mastered dungeon tanking

[spice spire]

Had an hpal that was never on melee last night and did 100k dps and sub 1m hps in an 11 priory, bricked the first pull.

Like it’s funny and a good meme

But in the end they’re just keys

[hardy rapids]

I just started playing blood dk too lol. Hit my goal on rogue and now I’m pushing rank for the first time

[balmy condor]

heroic, so solis

[spice spire]

Try something new and if people are rude heck them

[vestal cliff]

hey guys, how big its the rogue raid buff? could you play without a rogue?

[normal mist]

[hardy rapids]

That’s a good rule of thumb

[royal lantern]

1 of the least important buffs, sometimes doesnt even do anything cus the dmg is coded as envoirmental dmg

[ancient rain]

We were wiping hard on some boss in vault of the incarnates when we realized mind numbing poison was messing boss timers. I removed it and we 1shot the thing

[royal lantern]

what

[spice spire]

If you’re going to bomb it, at least make something funny happen

[royal lantern]

mate

mindnumbing doesnt change anything on boss timers

[ancient rain]

it does when boss gains energy based on melee attacks i believe

[royal lantern]

who tf told you THAT

• mindnumbing is not your raidbuff

atrophic is

[spice spire]

Historically mind numbing doesn’t work on bosses

[subtle kiln]

@radiant raven has best approach. Require a joke to join group.

[spice spire]

[haughty flicker]

it me

[ancient rain]

it's what happened to me + we were 2 rogues

[sour elm]

pretty sure you got gaslit by a bad RL

[haughty flicker]

im the joke

[balmy condor]

he's right though

[ancient rain]

its not out of the question

[balmy condor]

numbing slows boss attack speed

if the energy is attached to auto attacks, it could slow energy phases and stuff

that's known

[spice spire]

TIL

Neat

Didn’t realize mind numbing worked at all on bosses for some reason

[balmy condor]

numbing notably was VERY strong on sludgefist in nathria because of it

sludgefist autos were insano strong

[timber meadow]

damn sludgefist... think that's my favorite mythic boss ever

[balmy condor]

and slowing down the attack speed gave a very notable breathing room for the tanks

[drifting cloud]

yeah but then you had to play a rogue on sludgefist!

[spice spire]

So real

[timber meadow]

I played shadow priest that tier... those dmg amps were just orgasmic

[radiant raven]

It works so well!

And you get to see some really good (dumb) jokes.

[sly jacinth]

is it worth garrote + rupturing the shielded adds on mythic mug? ive been sending rupture for the energy refund on the rocketeer that spawns after the soak. just struggling with maintaining energy (probably symptomatic of bigger issues) but just curious how people are approaching it. i see some logs doing it

[radiant raven]

And also get people to self-filter with obviously toxic attitudes.

[balmy condor]

it is but it's an insanely small min-max

struggling with energy is normal

that's the spec

[sly jacinth]

gotcha. ive been sniping the rocketeer before it dies and the add after shield breaks, seems to work pretty well

yeah fair, i dont have a ton of reps on sin so it def felt rough at times haha

thank you!

[balmy condor]

that probably isn't worth it

[drifting cloud]

good old snipe self gaslight

[sly jacinth]

its not worth it for venomous wounds?

[drifting cloud]

the combo points arent free

[hardy rapids]

That’s actually insane

[balmy condor]

it's only worth if the add survives like 10-11 seconds as well, which usually isn't much of a snipe

I think it's 10-11

might be higher

it was 8 without vicious venoms

but now it costs even more

[timber meadow]

dude i really wanna go get lunch but i big ass dslice sim cookin. think were about to get some decently chunky gains dropping some crit pieces for haste pieces

[balmy condor]

imagine running dslice right now without the juice

[timber meadow]

i heard

are these changes impacting anything rotationally in-game? or just like coding changes that make the sim behave more like an optimal in-game player would already be playing?

[balmy condor]

little bit of both

[timber meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/dazed-and-confused-matthew-mc-gif-22598466

[lavish geyser]

can i get selected in the roll mechanic if im in stealth when it happens? on stix

[haughty flicker]

wait did whispyr cook

[spice spire]

They’ve been at the wok for a day now

[timber meadow]

I believe a cook did indeed happen xD someone mentioned it earlier this morning and whisper just mentioned it as well

[haughty flicker]

im so excited

[lunar pond]

The solution is just to get mauled by hyenas and not be alive when it goes out

[haughty flicker]

literally shitting blood out of my eyes in excitement

[lavish geyser]

-.-

[timber meadow]

its also good to know that pi is so good on bleed. don't feel bad telling healer they can pi me during prio for big burn

[lavish geyser]

idk I have been doing it and i havent gotten selected. but idk if its just correlation, or its actualy causation, ya know 🙂

[sour elm]

yes you can

[timber meadow]

i prob still wont actually ask for pi cause it'd just tilt the dk LOL

but for pulls where we need big prio i will

[royal lantern]

you should visit a doctor

but not an expert tbh

[spice spire]

Big chewy pull

[mint valve]

whyspr, is bleed build supposed to outsim hybrid in dslice?

[timber meadow]

I’m not whisper but for my profile it wasn’t. I think that’s in part due to the apl not being optimized well to play without kb and also bc I have 3% haste which is pretty ideal for hybrid and prob a lil suboptimal for bleed

I think with the updates he’s making and gearing a lil better for bleed it’ll sim better dslice even for my profile

[golden basin]

Hello guys quick question, does the talent Blackjack proks on raid boss ?

[plain hawk]

How much haste should it be for a bleed build?

[humble verge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

zero

[fallow canopy]

Between 0 and 9999999

[timber meadow]

i dont think that's entirely true anymore for bleed (masstery still goated) but i think haste and crit are roughly equal

[runic hinge]

you got any proof or are you feel crafting?

[golden basin]

Hello guys quick question, does the talent Blackjack proks on raid boss ? (sorry for repeating question)

[runic hinge]

no

[waxen oyster]

You go for agility

then you try getting some mastery

[timber meadow]

this is my profile that just got done simming bleed build dslice https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4R28VgdHPaHvc25rRhbZTn

[waxen oyster]

and whatever else fits

[golden basin]

that was meant to me ?

[runic hinge]

yes

[timber meadow]

it's wanting me to replace two of my crit/mast crafted pieces with hast/mastery and replace my crit/mastery chest with haste/vers

for almost 1% gain

[golden basin]

Alright so how come every single guide i see are using it, is there any useful use to it ?

[runic hinge]

you're simming full raid buffs for some reason

[runic hinge]

tricks is fairly useless

[timber meadow]

doesn't make a huge diff but if you think it does i can redo the 2 hour sim without most of em

[runic hinge]

so they probably just didnt bother changing the talent

[rugged cliff]

Hey guys im brand new to rogue, like literally only playing for 2 days, and i am loving the fast play style and the aesthetic of rogue. Can i take slice and dice off my bars due to Cut to the Chase passive?

[runic hinge]

yes

[golden basin]

alright fair enough thanks, i guess i will just take the talent that negates slow by 50%

[balmy condor]

the other useless talent

[fallow canopy]

Man chooses his poison quite thematic

[golden basin]

I mean it could be useful one day like during sprocket magnets

[marble hemlock]

denathrius too

[timber meadow]

tricks is real nice for hitting stuff while tank gathers

or for not getting aggro while tank is kiting

[marble hemlock]

numbing+weakness made the boss melee 1 less time between abilities, cutting the tank damage by like 30%

[balmy condor]

that's not gonna work I'm afraid

[golden basin]

Meh

[balmy condor]

the only way it works is if it's a pure slow, no damage, nothing else

and it has to have a timer of course

it can't be a slow while a boss mechanic happens or something

it's gotta be a debuff with a timer

[golden basin]

Damn it sucks but atleast i know i dont need to bother, thanks rogue brothers

[marble hemlock]

its funny that we got that passive after jaina happened, where slow reduction actually mattered and made everyone race change to troll

and now its just good in pvp

[timber meadow]

you okay with pot+food+flask+augment+weapon rune+lust+chaos brand as my raid buffs

[haughty flicker]

no

[balmy condor]

no

who augments their dungeon runs

augmentation is dead

haven't you heard

[timber meadow]

xD

[haughty flicker]

you can sim augment but only if you use the reusable one from df

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-allow-it-gif-17514413855288578269

[dapper cradle]

Who discovered the new bleed build this season?

[fallow canopy]

Hey 87 agi is 87 agi

[balmy condor]

china or something I guess

[dapper cradle]

Gotta love those chinese

[timber meadow]

i really dont think an augment buff is gonna change whether it wants me to replace some crit with haste but ill do it if it gets people off my back 🤣

[balmy condor]

people been telling me it's a chinese build so if it doesn't work for you, make sure to blame them and not me

and if it does work for you, you're welcome for the guide

[twilit flint]

I love it and thanking the chinese

[timber meadow]

bleed is dogshit tbh im just playing it cuase im forcecd to

[fallow canopy]

Woah woah

[twilit flint]

my guy

[dapper cradle]

Okay sinophobe

[fallow canopy]

My guy is a hemophobe

Idk if thats a word

[balmy condor]

it is

[runic hinge]

I'm okay with you not pinging me anymore and not feel crafting in here giving answers like you know stuff when you're just simming for your gear only

[balmy condor]

why are you so aggro

[nova aspen]

? zeross still plays hybrid in 16's

[haughty flicker]

tony madge

[golden basin]

The new bleed build is mean for lower keys i heard ? Or is it good on +15 and more ?

[balmy condor]

what owen every do to you

[balmy condor]

it's kinda just better everywhere

[golden basin]

Uhhh

[fallow canopy]

In the case you are being serious why not just play whatever you like most?

[haughty flicker]

because i will kill him if he doesnt play bleed

i live in his walls

[golden basin]

I will try this out then, thought it was bad for boss especially on big keys

[haughty flicker]

and i am a strong proponent of bleed builds

[fallow canopy]

Fair enough, keep grinding king

[sour elm]

Is there new build changing anything in raid or is this more of a m+ thing

[twilit flint]

sshhhh hes typing

[golden basin]

Vicious venoms are on now

[balmy condor]

it's more boss damage

[versed gulch]

You may be playing the wrong class for big boss damage in M+

[high walrus]

does resilient work on keys lower than 10

12 I mean

[golden basin]

Lmao i really understood it the wrong way then

[balmy condor]

no, 12 is the first achievement

[timber meadow]

huh? i feel like my response was pretty clear i wasn't tryna come across like an expert. you asked for proof and I provided a sim of my char... idk what more you want from me lol - obv im going to take a sim of my own char at higher value than a random "bis" profile.

[high walrus]

yeah but I mean if I have resilient 12's I'd assume it works for lets say 10s

[balmy condor]

well if you have resiliant 12's you can't drop below 12's

unless you drop it manually

I don't get the question

[timber meadow]

im totally joking, i like bleed 🙂

[dapper cradle]

Resilient*

[high walrus]

not for pushing, just wanted to help awful geared friends alts with their weekly 10s by downgrading mine

[versed gulch]

Realistically though... If we were to un-nerf KB and then partially limit its interaction with Caustic Spatter, could we have it all?

[balmy condor]

resilidnt

[dapper cradle]

I’m just looking out for my esl king

[runic hinge]

yeah and i sim my character and it wants me to drop my high haste/mastery ring for verse/mastery because everyone's stats are different, thats why the answer is just sim, and not "oh one is better now" https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vZJUmdn7xfeDJvo3hZAgEe

[fallow canopy]

If you lower it to 10 it does drop lower if you don't time it if thats what you are asking

[balmy condor]

that I don't know

[haughty flicker]

ok but you're wearing a blindfold so how do we know you can read your sim

[high walrus]

thank you

[balmy condor]

but haste is better on a bleed build than a hybrid build

nothing he's said is wrong

[shy axle]

how do you do your opener on the trashball boss? some seem to delay it a little bit, some use it on pull. Right now i used it on pull, 2nd kb with ~ 40 seconds left on Dm after he lands again, then i delay dm a little bit until kb is ready again. Any tips how you did it in this fight?

[golden basin]

I read that on wowhead about the bleed build : the Bleed-centric builds have seen more play, but they sacrifice a lot of boss damage to fully focus on AoE damage.

[balmy condor]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/stix-bunkjunker

looks like holding 40 seconds is normal

[mighty rapids]

I delayed 40 sec had way more success with that because u have cd's on the add spawns which is the only thing that matters

[balmy condor]

I updated that

I lost an update yesterday too

very strange

[timber meadow]

i mean someone responded right above me "zero" which is way less accurate than the answer I gave but you wanted to come at me for some reaosn

[shy axle]

i will try 40 seconds then, is that extactly after he is landing the first time?

thank you

[mighty rapids]

No before

[balmy condor]

no

[mighty rapids]

He flies at 1m

[balmy condor]

it's with the first adds

[golden basin]

So where to find the correct talents sheet for bleed build ?

[balmy condor]

the talents are correct

that sentence is wrong

[nova aspen]

mmm do we still do dry shiving in ST bleed?

[high walrus]

bleedbuild now default recommended on wowhead m+, it's joever

[nova aspen]

scratch that

[balmy condor]

it's very sick

[dapper cradle]

The stronger, easier build is better

It’s literally joever

[nova aspen]

my finger is bleeding right now

its a sign

[balmy condor]

also technically yes but also no

it mostly doesn't matter

no supercharger to buff it makes it a lot less important

so it ends up being neutral

[nova aspen]

[dapper cradle]

But casual was running SC in keys!!!!

[haughty flicker]

i run sc on my no dm build

[balmy condor]

and so he can dry shiv for his 0.2% if he wants

[haughty flicker]

kind of hype

[dapper cradle]

Yeah I run sc in my sectech build

[onyx linden]

I mean, you don't even have kingsbane so isn't every shiv "dry"

[humble verge]

holy shit

OAB is literally PARRY LORD

[balmy condor]

no because you still have deathmark

[humble verge]

i need a WA that clowns me every time i get parried

can someone post one

[haughty flicker]

yeah we still wet shiv in dm

well i dont

but you guys do

[coral ibex]

i dont like wet shiv

[haughty flicker]

is moist shiv better

[onyx linden]

Sure, you have DM. But the shiv in between are all going to be dry

[coral ibex]

worse

[onyx linden]

so yeah you are always dry shiving as bleed

[fallow canopy]

What about a slightly humid shiv?

[onyx linden]

moist shiv

[haughty flicker]

dank shiv

[dapper cradle]

Dry shiv? Nah, I need that wet shiv. I want my shiv sloppy. I want my shiv dripping. I want my shiv gushing. I want my shiv creamy. When I pull my shiv, it better sound like bare feet sinking into mud. It better sound like a spoon stirring mac and cheese drowning in butter. It better sound like a swamp bubbling on a hot summer day. If my shiv isn’t moist, messy, and downright disgusting, I don’t want it.

[versed gulch]

Fat, juicy and wet shiv. Thanks, Bruno Mars.

[balmy condor]

you were slow on it today

I was almost afraid you were afk

[haughty flicker]

do you like

[dapper cradle]

Had to find it in my copypasta channel

[haughty flicker]

have it saved in a notepad on your desktop or something

lmao

[dapper cradle]

My disc server just has a pasta channel

Imagine not organizing your pasta

[balmy condor]

https://media.tenor.com/_pz48ESVe4cAAAAi/glorp-glorpnotl.gif

[humble verge]

when do we bleed build in raid

🧌 face

[scarlet cliff]

Anyone know what the reasoning behind some rogues running forced induction at higher keys? I assume it's to squeeze more boss dmg?

[humble verge]

its just casual being casual

[balmy condor]

overthinking so hard their brains melted into goop

[mighty rapids]

Why is there no high ranking rogues using bleed is better question

[runic hinge]

things take a while to catch on

[haughty flicker]

government conspiracy

[dapper cradle]

Because you don’t take rogues in ranking keys

[mighty rapids]

I do think its pretty similar dps from my own testing

[dapper cradle]

Exodia or bust

[haughty flicker]

the bleed build was produced in china and we cant afford the tariffs

[humble verge]

americans and tariffs

[balmy condor]

asking the same people that are currently dropping 10% of their aoe for a 2% single target buff to take a build without kingsbane/envenom talents is about as difficult as describing colors to the blind

[mighty rapids]

Yeah i had my own doubts but trying it my overall was about the same as hybrid and easier to play. But i get it

[sour elm]

bleed build on stix? yay or nay

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

n....no?

[sour elm]

bro im dumb its a legit question

[strange sleet]

No way bro, Jastor hc just dropped and I lost it by 5. 83 vs 88 roll. FML

[spice spire]

You do not

[tall atlas]

it happened again +speed

[balmy condor]

you take a raid build into raids

[haughty flicker]

speed gaming

[balmy condor]

bleed build is an m+ archetype

[sour elm]

need to ping that nerd who was gaslighting me yesterday now

[proud pelican]

We need a raid bleed build asap whispyr

Or we riot

[balmy condor]

I mean you take CT on stix

does that count as bleed

[proud pelican]

[haughty flicker]

[sour elm]

CT for real? Feel like adds are gonna die too fast for CT value

[balmy condor]

well then good thing you take it for the boss damage and not the add damage

[sour elm]

ahhh ok then

[balmy condor]

snapshotting the CT dot onto the boss with frequent add spawns

big dam

[timber meadow]

okay i take it back - without all raid buffs it wants me recrafting my dagger instead of boots 🤣 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dNL4HLqCRqwYXjHfBMAt2S

[balmy condor]

THE TECH?

[timber meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[spice spire]

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

assa build that wants the same stats in aoe and single target

god bless Zǎoshang hǎo zhōngguó xiànzài wǒ yǒu BING CHILLING

[humble verge]

does someone have a KB parry WA

i remember someone mentioning it

like some months back rofl

[rotund oak]

poke seliathan

[balmy condor]

or use wago

[humble verge]

no im mid pull

[balmy condor]

or if you can't google it, I think lisonna's pack has it

can just grab it from there

[spice spire]

[timber meadow]

bless

[balmy condor]

wise words from famous philsopher zhon cena

[spice spire]

Why can’t I see him

[uneven plume]

Whats my name in this channel?

[balmy condor]

okay but what talents are you dropping for forced induction

[timber meadow]

i love that whispyr shat out a random chinese sounding string and google actually detected turkish

[spice surge]

Tea ofc

[uneven plume]

i go raid build in 17s. i get rid of CT, spatter and MA

[balmy condor]

it's a copypasta from the chinese john cena apology

[uneven plume]

works perfect

feels good

[balmy condor]

[uneven plume]

[timber meadow]

oh that's good

[humble verge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Man only does exclusively 17 theaters and leaves after the first wing (xav)

[runic hinge]

I don’t wanna do a theater again tbh

[spice spire]

Sorry bbgirl

[mint valve]

@balmy condor is bleed build supposed to be outsimming hybrid in dslice? for some reason no matter what combinations i try my hybrid is about 50k ish higher than my bleed build? i also prefer bleed build 😄

[spice spire]

It’s time for yop

[runic hinge]

I bricked my 13 down to a 10

So we are big chilling next week

[spice spire]

How

[timber meadow]

I dont want to come across like I think I know things so I wont respond to jon

[haughty flicker]

Supposed to brick up not brick down

[balmy condor]

not with whatever you have access to

[runic hinge]

I dm’ed you.

[mint valve]

thank you sir

[haughty flicker]

Dm dn

[runic hinge]

Well the 13 died on the first pull. Then the 12 died also on the first pull and then we spent the 11 fucking around with the blood warper skip and bubbles skip

[balmy condor]

that should change soon though :)

[spice spire]

Wait

That’s a floodgate?

Oh I thought you bricked a top from 13 to ten

[mint valve]

Sorry im unsure of what you mean by this? like... .5 patch?

[balmy condor]

no

[spice spire]

Sims are only as good as the logic put into them

[balmy condor]

updates to sims soon

[spice spire]

Likely updates to sim logic

To reflect the play of the build better

[haughty flicker]

I’m so excited

[mint valve]

ohh.. sorry im sure youve typed it a million times. ill be onthe lookout!

[balmy condor]

all good

[runic hinge]

Yeah my key was a floodgate. But now I don’t have a big key for next week so idk. Maybe just more vault chillin

My irl friends are key bricking assassins and im the one who says Meowdy

[spice spire]

Quakewar entering the chat

[radiant raven]

I don't know why but every single Meowdy person I've had this season is a blaster

Maybe meowdy has evolved. maybe it's the sign of a king amongst kings

[runic hinge]

Can’t be if I’m saying it

[haughty flicker]

Because meowdy is a sign of high confidence

[radiant raven]

I just drop a good, scary "Hello."

[haughty flicker]

Hiya

[radiant raven]

Gotta have the fullstop.

[timber meadow]

o/ is bis

[radiant raven]

That one is pretty good

[timber meadow]

its like "yo im friendly but i also am not trying too hard to be friendly cause idk you yet"

[dapper halo]

are there some hotfixes coming im not aware of

[runic hinge]

Hopefully they hotfix in me some hands

[spice spire]

I always say howdy

[red schooner]

8 pulls in, I can safely say, I dislike Stix

[dapper halo]

meowdy is the way

[timber meadow]

i main swapped to boomie for stix xD

[spice spire]

[timber meadow]

was a fucking vibe

[red schooner]

hit starfall, chill

[spice spire]

Blocked, banned, reported to god for a smiting

[iron vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-stare-gif-16919579959580773757

[red schooner]

to be fair i'm doing good damage with caustic

[timber meadow]

xD

[radiant raven]

At least the boomies look funny when they get the ball

[timber meadow]

well yeah you do great dmg

[runic hinge]

Okay I take back my apology

[timber meadow]

just not to what matters 🤣

[dapper halo]

just accidentally onpurpose crash straight to boss if you get the rolling thing

[runic hinge]

😂

[dapper halo]

simple really

[humble verge]

you guys do keys?

[haughty flicker]

Ok boomkin goes hard on stix though

[humble verge]

im playing terraria

[haughty flicker]

Especially if you can pad

Got a 99 in a heroic pug because no one rolled over adds lmao

[radiant raven]

Blessed choice

[dapper halo]

caustic spatterpadding

[humble verge]

last generated world, 2017.

havent played properly since i think

trying out melee build in master mode

[hot flicker]

what does it mean when whispyr says theres updates to sims?

dont we all sim regularly?

[spice surge]

Somebody makes the sim

it doesnt just instantly appear and play perfectly

It takes a lot of effort to make it play well

[runic hinge]

You have to tell the robot what to do

[hot flicker]

ohhhh i see

so he makes the sim we run

[red schooner]

its mythic so i don't think i'd get away with that :c

[hot flicker]

gotcha now it makes sense

[dapper halo]

well, mythic is whole different ballgame

[spice spire]

Pun intended or?

[dapper halo]

not intended

[radiant raven]

Always intend a pun, imo.

[waxen oyster]

correct play is to roll over the fire mage during combust

[radiant raven]

it's a good pun

[waxen oyster]

Multiple times

[humble verge]

find the odd one out

[dapper halo]

rolling ignites used to be a firemagething

[humble verge]

its sad only seeing 1 melee high up in a ranged fight sadge

[low thicket]

I just see 3 locks and a priest

[rustic leaf]

we only use 1 type of gem in our gem slots ?

[hidden bay]

bro i never played so bad

and i was alive

[subtle tundra]

i mean

if theres 1 log

and youre worse

thats a 0

[subtle kiln]

Puns get instant invites?

[hidden bay]

na theres like 4 or 5

but everything went wrong in that pull

and ofc we kill it

[radiant raven]

100%

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-gif-5430850758035663288

0 is a clear

[timber meadow]

gratz my dude that's a big kill

[spice spire]

We parse next time

Gz homie

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah! A kill is a kill, esp this early imo. Blasting

[coral ibex]

wild question to rip

unless you're friends and this is a bit

[zinc vale]

well i thought it's funny

guess im deleting it

no worries

[hidden bay]

I WISH

[zinc vale]

Gz bro

[coral ibex]

are there really only 5 assa logs on gally still

holy cow there's 4

[zinc vale]

most of logs are private so

[coral ibex]

oh there's 8

stats page was weird

[coral ibex]

dw bro someone else was worse

can't be a 0

[hidden bay]

[fallen orbit]

what embalishment u guys use on weapon ? i had ascendance but i see people using focusing lens

[golden loom]

Ascendance

good

[acoustic roost]

Focusing lens is for sub

[vast shuttle]

someone send the best raid build pls

[fallen orbit]

ok thanks was wondering iff something chainged

[acoustic roost]

#assassination-faq

[hardy rapids]

or check the pins

[shy axle]

with bleed build st, do you pool/wait for env until the buff is shortly before running out? i know pooling is not used anymore in the raidspeccs with the 4 second kb rule as an exception, but i wonder if you would do it in bleed specc due to ttk not talented.

[golden loom]

inception

[spice surge]

Envenom doesnt matter besides DN

Keep CT up

[low thicket]

[hardy rapids]

you need to screenshot it everytime so it gets smaller and smaller

[coral ibex]

no way he asked again

well i guess the first time he asked for a good raid build

and this time he wants the best

he's feeling more confident

[inland escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-ash-ketchum-i-want-to-be-the-very-best-like-no-one-ever-was-gif-9418824218269499270

[jaunty kayak]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[quartz trellis]

On ST?

[spice surge]

Yes

[subtle kiln]

No. Nothing changed. They all suck.

[quartz trellis]

Gyat damn, good to know

Shame there isn’t a raid bleed variant

Do we always want to be above 50% energy?

[spice surge]

Not really

Just play

[timber meadow]

think this my best overall in a 14 floodgate yet.. got like 8% more haste from what i had before, dropped some crit and kept same mastery... prtob just a clean run though way more impactful 🤷‍♂️

also dropped so was a massive W all around .. somehow still didn't have 😦

[royal lantern]

stats wont make bigger number changes yes

[timber meadow]

yeah but i can pretend they do 🤣

jk yeah prob had very little or no impact

[waxen oyster]

pacemaker 2nd floodgate of the season

then get in vault

its that easy

[timber meadow]

is there anyway to sim various types of uptime from eye in a dungeon against a normal trinket? ig im curious to compare it against pacemaker in various scenarios

[royal lantern]

failed at that

only got priory in vault

:c

[timber meadow]

thats still pretty sick

prioriy is awesome

[royal lantern]

thats the joke, its better

[timber meadow]

lmao true

[lusty kraken]

is the dry shiv done with the m+ build as well?

aka with 1 shiv charge?

[timber meadow]

oh wait i had not like us on loop for that dungeon

thats def the diff

[nova shadow]

I've been struggling with cinder 12 for 3 days and just timed it first time as my last 12 with the bleed build 😄

[timber meadow]

lfg - tough dungeon man nice job

[nova shadow]

Bleed build is rly solid

I dont know how it would be the dps with hybrid as I never timed it with it

but 3.6 overall doesn't seem that bad for a first time (as I dont count a single run of fg7)

[timber meadow]

yeah that's honestly really solid from my point of view

[nova shadow]

I did 4.1 on hybrid on priory 12 yesterday

but idk how are the dungeons compared dps wise

[timber meadow]

I think in terms of overall, a lot just depends on how it's pulled

[nova shadow]

ye but it also will take some practice to get used to the bleed build

as I noted at some points I was just standing not knowing what to do 😄

everything dotted shiv is up

[waxen oyster]

I mean you play like hybrid

except you shiv more aggressively

[nova shadow]

yes I guess having spatter so down on the dps list

is a mistake it should be prolly 2nd

[waxen oyster]

Yeah spatter is usually still 2nd for me

[timber meadow]

i think you can be a bit more aggressive with ruptures - like in hybrid I wouldn't reapply nearly as much as I do with bleed, particularly on mobs that are like in that 15% health range 🤷‍♂️

[quartz trellis]

What is the usage for shiv on the bleed build? When all bleeds are out early on?

[nova shadow]

Also one thing I noted that this build is really forgiving man

[waxen oyster]

Depends on timings

[nova shadow]

its much more noob friendly

[timber meadow]

like if there's 4 mobs left or smthn i think - it may be more dmg to reapply ruptures than cast envenoms

[waxen oyster]

If you can fit only one shiv its likely better to do when mobs are low

[nova shadow]

I was sitting there trying to kick dodging and as I take the look theres a 10m dps on the pull

[waxen oyster]

CT is still the star of the show

[spice surge]

A fully demised rupture does slightly more than an envenom with 1 spatter target (ie 2 targets total)

[timber meadow]

oh okay, so until that target count you still wanan be casting envenom // following typical refresh conditions?

i remember you telling me that the other day, for some reason i misremembered it as 4 instead of 2 my bad

[waxen oyster]

Its fun to see how much work sb does

in bleed

[timber meadow]

bro right? sanguine blades crankssssss

did like 12% of my overall in that floodgate lmao

[waxen oyster]

I just view it as,
bleed build theres no real loss to sending shivs into dying mobs

sending kb into dying mob is a downside

[haughty flicker]

zoldyck gaming

[quartz trellis]

Does it affect sudden demise damage?

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure it does

[quartz trellis]

So does it double dip?

Under 35% if you shiv

[spice surge]

Wdym double dip

Demise counts all the damage the bleed is doing

[quartz trellis]

I may be misunderstanding but sudden demise is an amalgamation of the bleeds on the target right

[spice surge]

Which includes shiv and zoldyck

[quartz trellis]

So if you shiv it increases the bleed damage

Does shiv separately increase sudden demise as a bleed or is it only the contributions towards demise

[spice surge]

Im not sure what youre asking

[quartz trellis]

Am I right in thinking sudden demise is a bleed?

[flint snow]

I think it's more demise 're-calculates' any modifiers, shiv + zoldyck

[spice surge]

No

Its not a bleed

[quartz trellis]

Right ok

Says it is on wowhead

[spice surge]

Idk if your bleed does 100 damage

Then you shiv

They now do 130

Demise doesnt magically do 169

Its 130

[quartz trellis]

Right that answers it

[timber meadow]

for eye in dslice - is it 100% combat time or are there random drops?

[spice surge]

It works like it does ingame

So if the sim is out of combat for 8 seconds it will lose 4 stacks

[timber meadow]

ye figured that was the case - was more asking how the sim is setup in terms of how much out of combat there is

[subtle karma]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[jaunty basin]

so on this topic i see people in the raid pov i have watched throwing out a FoK in single target ( even when its not after a rupture and one combo point remaining ) .. is there any reason for that ?

[spice surge]

If you dont have vicious venom specced (which you should) then you use fok for clear the witnesses from deathstalker

[high walrus]

who are these CoT voterrs

show yourselves

[waxen oyster]

Who is voting for arakara

get help

[mortal badger]

sac lovers

[royal lantern]

but bro trinket?????????????????????????????????????

[haughty flicker]

i do love a good sac

actually i need to vote

floodgate must be first

[waxen oyster]

sac wasnt even a good

as dawnbreaker crystal

or spyglass

[royal lantern]

it was the best by far for strenght guys

[waxen oyster]

Maybe it was for non sikran neck plebs

[royal lantern]

and 90% of wow players are ret players

[waxen oyster]

true

[runic hinge]

I hate arakara

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn kelp]

Bleed build got me running 12k haste this is weird

[royal lantern]

if the dungeon is not tuned to be a joke, its gonna be bullshit lol

[runic hinge]

Last boss just needs to not do every mechanic back to back

[fleet pagoda]

it's a short dungeon at least

[runic hinge]

Let me have some time to actually dps and it’s fine

[quartz trellis]

People voting for trinkets, would be funny if the trinkets got nerfed 😂

[royal lantern]

you mean like it happend last time we had a vote?

OMG I NEED THAT TRINKET->trinket is tuned to not be the best-> WTF THE DUNGEON IS BAD

[timber meadow]

floodgate is way more fun than ara-kara but ara-kara has sac

[spice spire]

Can’t wait to get grimrail again

[runic hinge]

can’t wait to get railed again*

[waxen oyster]

floodgate

fun

saws on floor

[fleet pagoda]

that's pretty fun. it'd be misery if there was danger of dying to them though

[runic hinge]

Floodgate is fun except for bubbles

[spice spire]

Mfs say i’m the horny one then rawdog that

[fleet pagoda]

bubbles

[quartz trellis]

Shadowmeld tank skip ❤️

[royal lantern]

dont let bubbles see that

bubbles is wanted in 9 countrys for his warcrimes

[royal lantern]

if my tank is a elf, im leaving

never trust a elf

[quartz trellis]

RIP

[spice spire]

Even Me?

What if they’re a dh and can’t help

[royal lantern]

sucks to be a DH

L class

[runic hinge]

Blizz says they wanna up visual clarity then they release a mini boss that has bubbles without defined edges and no set path they move on

Fun

[royal lantern]

blizz says they wanna up visual clarity and then makes One armed Bandit

[runic hinge]

Why does he parry so much anyways

[waxen oyster]

Because he studied the blade.

Of having only one arm

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[hollow phoenix]

Is it normal to be giga low in energy most of the time in ST now or am i just doing something horribly wrong since the vicious venom build?

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[hollow phoenix]

Do you guys have any tips on rik Mythic to maximize your damage btw, feeling like i'm not doing much barrel damage

[spice surge]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[royal lantern]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[hollow phoenix]

Tyty

[cerulean walrus]

!dick

[twilit flint]

for the bleed build are we dropping master assa for vicious venoms?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-cucumber-scared-gif-10226870

[spice spire]

Dick vibes? My goat

[spice spire]

No

[twilit flint]

ty

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/iamrigbycat-rigbycat-tongue-cat-gif-14700191934530342526

[hardy rapids]

!scrote

[blazing kayak]

Do we ever replace circlet ring in keys?

as sin

[balmy condor]

no

the stats it gives make it around 20 ilvl stronger than any maxed myth track ring

[timber meadow]

thats wild

[crimson steppe]

how's assa compared to the other 2 specs in raid and m+

[timber meadow]

solid

although idk on some fights it genuinely sucks compared to sub tbh

but less bc of our raw dmg and more bc of what needs to be dmg'd

[subtle kiln]

Assa the best spec on the boss that likely matters most. Everything else is kinda whatever.

[solar wyvern]

how value is PI in aoe on bleed build seems kinda good no?

Probably not better than mage/unholy im guessing

[agile nest]

is ToP a bad dungeon for us to dps because of the number of small packs and ST fights or I'm not playing right? xD

[balmy condor]

VERY good in fact

[spice surge]

I think its worse than unholy, but unholy is like the best spec for it

But yes PI very good when bleeds actually do damage

[agile nest]

how does the bleed build work?

[coral ibex]

it bleeds enemies for damaage

[agile nest]

wow

[balmy condor]

I mean

he's not wrong

[coral ibex]

idk what you expect

thats literally it

[agile nest]

[coral ibex]

your bleeds do more damage

than your poisons

[balmy condor]

bleed do big damage

[coral ibex]

upkeep CT more than envenom

[balmy condor]

is about the entire thing

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

[agile nest]

but it performs well in high keys?

what about single target?

[coral ibex]

better ST

blindside procs

W

[solar wyvern]

interesting interesting

[agile nest]

can you share a link for talents?

[solar wyvern]

gonna argue with every disc priest for PI now

[coral ibex]

its on wowhead

[agile nest]

I would like to take a look

ok, will check out

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor do you have a sim command where eye of kezan starts with max stacks

[balmy condor]

that's not a setting they added to the trinket

[drifting cloud]

unluck

[balmy condor]

blame code monkeys

[drifting cloud]

problem is when I do an 8 min sim for mugzee or whatever, it tells me to unequip priory

and that doesnt sound correct

[spice surge]

Idk just do 2:30 and use kezan anyway

[dusky atlas]

[spice surge]

the agility from kezan isnt gonna have a large impact on the rest of your comparisons either way

[drifting cloud]

yeah I just have a myth pacemaker so im trying to compare it with that

and a normal kezan lol

[balmy condor]

I'm talking to someone about it

aight, said someone told me I'm a dumbfuck

[rotund hornet]

Are you playing around tea anymore in st? Or does it not matter

[balmy condor]

and that sims have things that I didn't know existed

[dusky atlas]

[balmy condor]

raid_events+=/buff,buff_name=eye_of_kezan,stacks=20,first=0,cooldown=300oroverride.precombat_state=buff.eye_of_kezan.stack=20should work

[runic hinge]

Someone should tell me this more. Ryler is slacking

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

macro and forget

[rotund hornet]

Aight, thank you sir

[drifting cloud]

THANK

[dusky atlas]

[austere otter]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ec7ZvEjvQBDjKFZGM6v1fD help im scared tell me sim is wrong

[coral ibex]

WARNING EXPERT MODE WARNING

[balmy condor]

uhhhhhhhh

I can't see the full stack

but give me a think

I'll be back in a second

interesting

[drifting cloud]

seems to work tho or

[balmy condor]

wellllllllllllll.............

not quite, no

[drifting cloud]

otherwise it would sim pretty bad, I just dont understand why its beating priory

on 2:45

[balmy condor]

stronk

[balmy condor]

cause you're not actually simming 2:45

[drifting cloud]

does the expert mode not override default settings

[balmy condor]

it does if you put it in the right place

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

it's okay, I checked to make sure everything works properly

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3yi1t6vSDrdSPaJuNQkNW8

[drifting cloud]

thank you kind sir

actually I should have guessed the number was too low

[balmy condor]

it also isn't an 8 minute fight anymore

[spice surge]

Its usually phasing at 5:20 so it wouldnt have the crit from pacemaker as well as the sim does

So ye its definitely kezan

[drifting cloud]

is it, someone just told me we phased 5:05 2min ago

this is too hard

[balmy condor]

just play priory kezan

ez

[drifting cloud]

maybe it was that one pull when we phased too fast earlier

[spice surge]

maybe you are, but i think you usually hold

[drifting cloud]

yeah we didnt even have vantus and raid buff next week so its going to be full chill

[exotic hearth]

What are common M+ mistakes bc some pulls I do like 3m+ and others are like 1m -.-

[balmy condor]

I mean with numbers like that it sounds like you're not spreading bleeds, not applying your deathstalkers mark

or you're just comparing like an 8 target pull to a 2 target pull

which obviously won't make sense

[exotic hearth]

I do my best keeping bleeds up (can be rough when tank chain pulls a lot when I've already burned vanishes). I think I don't energy pool much during M+ which is prob problematic because I notice I'm low energy a lot on longer packs

[balmy condor]

energy pooling shouldn't happen ever