#assassination

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balmy condor
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but realistically the wow equivalent would be like filling 9 vault slots on 1 character + raiding, and then 15 characters that log in, do a timewalking, and then log out

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there's also a cap on how many boss crystals (my main income from the mules) that you can sell every week

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so like realistically I think you can hit the cap with 15?

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the 16th is just for fun

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or if I can't be fucked doing some of the slower ones on something I just relax and smash the easier

subtle tundra
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tryhard

balmy condor
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I am vibe gaming

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if I were tryhards I would do that boss crystal cap and then log onto main and grind for like 6 hours a day

vast shuttle
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how many runs do get gurantee trinket in flood? been non stop doing it for 3 days and havent got it

red schooner
static glacier
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infinite

vast shuttle
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🙂

normal mist
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There is no guarantees on loot, like ever

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you can run the same dungeon 100 times and never see it drop

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(skardyn's gang where you at)

vast shuttle
radiant raven
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Just find someone who keeps getting it and make them run it with you.

normal mist
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You can even see other people drop it and they will either not give it to you OR ask for gold

balmy condor
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I saw seaforium on my second run

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did 70 grim batols without seeing a skardyns

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yep

static glacier
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the whole tier

vast shuttle
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seen it 2 times in 3 days

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and eveyrone needs that stupid trink

static glacier
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ran like 60 grim batols

static glacier
spice surge
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I got a heroic energy drink and the pacemaker doesnt sim higher than it yet so peepochaircomfy

static glacier
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EVERYONE has a price

red schooner
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Got seaforium in the vault, still waiting on a signet

static glacier
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im fairly sure for 1m anyone will immediately sell

hardy rapids
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First 7 priory I got a signet :D. couldnt ever get that fucking skardyns though

normal mist
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Skardyn is a myth

vast shuttle
hardy rapids
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I got like 100000000 ara kara sac broods but never did I see more than 2 skardyns

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I swear that item didnt exist

static glacier
balmy condor
hardy rapids
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Agreed!

balmy condor
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that would've been more hell than skardyns

radiant raven
hardy rapids
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it was also a visually lame ass trinket

static glacier
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what about sacbrood made it unappealing compared to the crystal from the airship dungeon

hardy rapids
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nothing worse than farming a horrible dungeon for a lame ass looking BIS

vast shuttle
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started this week s2 and already playes 83 hours in 1 week this game💀

radiant raven
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Never log out, imo

balmy condor
lusty kraken
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yo Whispyr why are you slacking, where are the new corruption sims angryJ

balmy condor
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can't be fucked

lusty kraken
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seems like once again they tuned them like crap

balmy condor
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well yeh obviously

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they weren't ever going to be more than 3%

hardy rapids
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Corruptions? HUH

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again?

strange python
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Sorry guys - bumping in case anyone has any idea? Driving me mad

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hardy rapids
balmy condor
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yeah they're recycling them into a helm enchant

lusty kraken
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void ritual is 3.9% for unholy, while the rest are 0.7% and less

hardy rapids
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Oh thats so fucking cool

balmy condor
hardy rapids
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call me a moron but I loved corruptions they were fun as hell

balmy condor
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3.9% is way overbudget and probably getting tuned

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0.7% is way underbudget and probably getting tuned

hardy rapids
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I can imagine them being hell for theorycrafters and simmers though

balmy condor
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ggwp

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are they?

lusty kraken
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or maybe they will tune the rest to be around that number copium

balmy condor
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they're just random fuck off damage

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insanely easy to sim

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it's like simming weapon enchants

spice surge
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Theres a stat one, which from my quick glance seemed to be significantly better than the others

bronze pike
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I don’t care what’s better

spice surge
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But theyre all kinda weak anyway

bronze pike
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I’m using twilight dev

hardy rapids
bronze pike
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Anyone who doesn’t is a cuck

hardy rapids
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twilight dev was the fucking coolest

spice surge
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And people are gonna be way dissapointed when twilight dev does 1/10 of the damage it did in bfa

bronze pike
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Looks cool

spice surge
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Probably even lower

bronze pike
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So I’m ignoring the dam

spice surge
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Its like 1m split damage

balmy condor
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do they even have the visual

bronze pike
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Yep

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Same visual

balmy condor
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prefect

bronze pike
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Corruptions are legit “play your favorite visual” thing

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And that’s okay

royal lantern
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i hate seeing stuff catPOG

bronze pike
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Imagine playing ritual

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Aka the most boring corruption

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Ohhh I seeeee the stats

balmy condor
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can't wait for some dipshit to sim twilight dev as +0.0021% better and then pull a pack from 30 yards away cause they're facing the wrong way

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and then the key bricks

bronze pike
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Meanwhile I have a fuck you lazer on my screen proving every two seconds in aoe situations

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Tank issue, adapt to my twilight dev

lusty kraken
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twilight dev is neutered as hell though

balmy condor
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they all are

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doesn't need to do a gazillion damage to pull shit from a mile away though

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just needs to do 1 damage

bronze pike
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Just have fun

balmy condor
bronze pike
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Literally

balmy condor
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my fun is not playing twilight dev

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that shit gives me so much PTSD

bronze pike
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Imagine min maxing corruption

balmy condor
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but I also hated all of the corruptions

bronze pike
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When all of it are neutered

balmy condor
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my two least favorite systems were corruptions and domination shards

bronze pike
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Domination shards were ass

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Corruption broke the game fundamentally and is the reason we have stat caps and dr

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And target caps

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But

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Some look cool

balmy condor
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yeah, on the one hand they broke specs in half, killed all parse culture, brought 7 years of darkness, murdered an entire family in cold blood, is wanted in 39 states for vehicular manslaughter, turned the moon into cheese, turned off the sun, and gave me an STD

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but at least a couple of them looked cool

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good trade deal

royal lantern
bronze pike
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I will be swapping freely between dev and tentacle hentai

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Your talking to a guy that gave up one rank 3 mastery corruption just to have a rank 3 twilight dev

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I love big visuals

warm vortex
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The more I drive the more I loath crossroads

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So happy we mainly have roundabouts in the UK tbf

bronze pike
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Behold

warm vortex
bronze pike
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Bfa fucked everything

balmy condor
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BFA's legacy is making rushed systems that were either just downgraded rehashes or utterly stupid, scrapping genuinely decent content, and then changing the course of the game for half a decade in ways that we still haven't untangled and moved on from today

bronze pike
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Hence why I will always hate it more than shadowlands

royal lantern
balmy condor
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BFA's impact on the game is way worse than any expansion

royal lantern
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and you get scared going near roads

bronze pike
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Absolutely horrible expansion

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Fucked the game up for years

royal lantern
bronze pike
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Extra horrible cause bfa is the last expansion to add a mini raid

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A cool concept that bfa fucked up too

bronze pike
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It’s the first of a trilogy

balmy condor
radiant raven
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Island Expeditions were cool.

bronze pike
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So I’m expecting hero specs to be built up until the last titan

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Instead of being scrapped

balmy condor
radiant raven
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Man, Warfronts were such a cool concept. Blizz!!!

bronze pike
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We were supposed to have a orgrimar warfront

radiant raven
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Both of those systems could've become evergreen in some sense. Warfronts being big form co-op content against the expansions current foe (rather than the horde / alliance thing) would've owned. One per patch!

subtle tundra
balmy condor
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even bfa world content was pretty okay with the zone swapping with corruption and all that

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like that was pretty neat

radiant raven
balmy condor
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but nah, none of that moved into the future of the game

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instead we got target caps and stat DRs and janky CC limitations

bronze pike
radiant raven
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Yeah, it's frustrating 'cos there were some real good thoughts that they dumpstered in SL, and then haven't revisited

bronze pike
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I blame bfa

balmy condor
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core fundamental changes to the game that have irreparably damaged encounter design for the next 3-4 expanions

bronze pike
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shadowland content was fucked cause bfa

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Top could have been good

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Necrotic wake could have been good

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da other side was alright

balmy condor
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I mean don't forget, bfa also was season m+ affixes

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we're still unraveling from seasonal m+ affixes with the xal'atath stuff and not being present past 12 and all that

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n'zoth got his slimy fucking octopus suckers into the entire fucking game

radiant raven
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Ye

royal lantern
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tbf, back then seasonal affixes atleast somewhat made sense

radiant raven
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N'zoth season affix was fun

royal lantern
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now they dont

balmy condor
radiant raven
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I will defend that one 'cos it was actually engaging and interesting in how it changed the dungeon routes.

royal lantern
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and they still insist on them

balmy condor
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ghuunies NAHHH

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PRE NERF GHUUNIES

radiant raven
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I actually don't remember the S1 or S2 BfA affix lmao

balmy condor
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haha xd the entire pack can't be CC'd

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until you kill this elite mob

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and then it spawns fucking tiny shitter worms

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and if you don't kill those they invest and you die

bronze pike
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Bwondsami was fun

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The portals were fun

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The rest was shit

radiant raven
bronze pike
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Wait no

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Cypher was fun

balmy condor
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prideful uglyassdog

bronze pike
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Then the rest was shit

royal lantern
radiant raven
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I wish blizz would uncap all the AoE skills (and soft-cap them if they gotta, I guess) for a season.

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See how it goes

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See how funny it is

bronze pike
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Soft cap everything

royal lantern
bronze pike
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It’s not like we’re not pulling a billion mobs anymore

radiant raven
bronze pike
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Nah outlaw is to busy rn

radiant raven
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AoE caps are, imo, boring. Soft-caps are fine and more fun

bronze pike
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Mourning a 10% dps increase bug

balmy condor
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imagine making an m+ affix that you know exactly when it spawns, gives you a big damage buff on killing it right, that seems pretty cool, it's like xal'atath affixes

except the mob has boss levels of HP and three shots your entire group so instead the strat is that you have to spawn it in an empty corner of the map and invis pot/meld skip it

bronze pike
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That people apparently assumed was never gonna get fixed

balmy condor
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GOOD AFFIX

royal lantern
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pridefull was so bad

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like

radiant raven
royal lantern
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game Quiting bad

bronze pike
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Prideful shouldn’t have scaled past 15

radiant raven
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Prideful wasn't why I quit WoW when I did in SL, but it definently contributed to the overall feeling

royal lantern
bronze pike
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Chore ghast in keys alsosucked balls

balmy condor
# bronze pike Mourning a 10% dps increase bug

also this is just misinformation, it's actually a 5% dps increase bug, which wasn't in sims, but also was in sims with bug stuff so we know it's 5% but in "REAL GAME" it's 10% but also probably more than 10% because it's so much more impactful and so it's probably a 20% bug and outlaw is definitely NOT a good spec right now and NOT doing damage so outlaw should've gotten a compensation buff for this bugfix that definitely wasn't abused and definitely didn't skyrocket outlaws performance

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get it right

radiant raven
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I am sad they didn't put torghast-esque powers in Delves

bronze pike
turbid lion
bronze pike
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Wait no

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You forgot

balmy condor
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having to babysit that channel the last day just lurking to see if shit goes absolute south and people need vacations uglyassdog

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I glance over and I have to accidentally read things with my eyes that I will never unread

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sentences that have wasted time in my life that I will not get back

bronze pike
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“Blizzard shouldn’t fix any positive bug that I’m def not exploiting (trust me okay) cause outlaw can only be viable if it’s 161962518% more dps than the next spec, I’m def not abusing other bugs that only a handful of people know (trust me bro) about,thus giving a inaccurate image of outlaws true dps performance (which is bad trust me bro)

royal lantern
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imagine not blocking the ussual outlaw guys

bronze pike
balmy condor
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blocking them would mean I can't moderate it

bronze pike
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I didn’t do anyone favors

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But man

balmy condor
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so I actually UNBLOCK them

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channel watch

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see if it explodes

royal lantern
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common Mod L

balmy condor
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and then a couple days later

royal lantern
balmy condor
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I have to fucking block them again

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it's so agony

bronze pike
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Saying literally anything turns a specific person into a time bomb no matter how harmless it was

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“Bug fixes that’s cool”

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Incoming thesis about how I’m a small pp person who doesn’t play the game and is horrible and should die

balmy condor
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well you're also not allowed to have opinions in outlaw cause you're not a "real outlaw player" so you're exiled to the shadow realm

bronze pike
grand trail
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puhsing keys be like 😄

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balmy condor
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had some people do that shit to stealthi a couple patches ago

radiant raven
balmy condor
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was wild

bronze pike
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Crazy

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I saw

balmy condor
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stealthi shows up and is like wow good change I like it

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and they just fucking jumped the guy

bronze pike
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They are absolutely unhinged

radiant raven
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People should, and I can't believe I'm saying this, log off and go outside for a bit. The outside doesn't have bug fixes. It's safe.

bronze pike
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Especially now that they’re spamming some dudes killing spree fix

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He did on a private server

balmy condor
bronze pike
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Knowing full well blizzard banned for less when it comes to that private server shit

radiant raven
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Friendly little bees are cool though

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I guess if you are in Australia don't go outside but otherwise it's fine

bronze pike
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Do those bugs increase my dps?

royal lantern
grand trail
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what you guys talking about

radiant raven
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Can we train a bumblebee to play rogue

royal lantern
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many such cases :3

grand trail
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seems interesting

balmy condor
bronze pike
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Emulator

balmy condor
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he ran an emulator

bronze pike
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Took out the killing spree spell data

balmy condor
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for a private server

bronze pike
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Ye

royal lantern
balmy condor
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just to fix killing spree

bronze pike
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Yep

balmy condor
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what a dumbfuck lmao

bronze pike
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“It’s so easy”

radiant raven
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That's an impressive amount of effort that can't be replicated or useful

bronze pike
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Shows full username

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Removing spell data

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Posted it on public wow forum cause people egged him on

balmy condor
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wait I did see this

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wasn't it wox

bronze pike
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Yes

warm vortex
earnest remnant
balmy condor
bronze pike
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Your not a outlaw main stealthi

royal lantern
bronze pike
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You can’t talk

warm vortex
bronze pike
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Shirly

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If you don’t agree with the hivemind

earnest remnant
balmy condor
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consequence rogue revolving door is going CRAZY

royal lantern
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how outlaw title if name not yellow and you dont have a MOGA cap in your name stealthi????

analog field
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@balmy condor I have your WA but crimson doesn't get highlighted when in pandemic. Am I doing sth wrong?

bronze pike
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Where is your kir icon next to your user?!?

balmy condor
balmy condor
bronze pike
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Absolutely fucking cringe

balmy condor
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and then we had to go "hey maybe don't do that given the current situation"

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and they went "what situation"

royal lantern
bronze pike
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I legit had to take a break

radiant raven
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😨

balmy condor
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of course he fucking does

bronze pike
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Cause I didn’t want to deal with that smoothbrainism

radiant raven
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Depressing

bronze pike
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Anywho

radiant raven
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I've been working on my new favourite idiotic project: All 100 parses in LFR

spice surge
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Whispyr do we play FI over tea for the ultimate demisemaxxing experience? Just completely int singletarget

balmy condor
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No

spice surge
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Sim say its only -2% Cheesin

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it should make demise like 25% stronger

balmy condor
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I cooked the shit out of it

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I might have more in the tank which is honestly despair

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Idk if I can pull another 2% out of my ass though

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That’s a tall order

spice surge
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I dont expect it to be simming better. Since like the main thing that i would be using it for doesnt work in sims

sonic schooner
spice surge
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Its -6% in ST so i dont think its gonna be a thing

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But the demisemaxx

sonic schooner
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oh for FI also

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so giving up vigor and all

brisk path
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welp, time to retire for the season...or try sub Trashpandascheme

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royal lantern
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gz

shy axle
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whats FI

radiant raven
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Nice, precisely 3k rules

brisk path
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I would lose my shit if I hit 2999 instead

grand trail
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

snow hamlet
rotund oak
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as cringe as demon hunters

rotund oak
sonic schooner
digital venture
rotund oak
stray panther
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Hi, I jus switched to sin from outlaw, my guild rik reverb mythic today, was wondering how should I deal with bombs, is it only caustic spatter cleave or should I switch targets

spice surge
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!rik

prisma monolithBOT
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Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

  • Not your problem.
  • Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
  • If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
  • Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
    With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
  • Swap to Subtletly.
midnight mist
vast shuttle
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why is it so hard to get into flood lobbys?

royal lantern
prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
hearty reef
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!miastakes

winged sun
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@spice spire what changes in rotation with bleed build?

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im confused because it doesnt feel like its doing more damage

mighty vine
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CT in single target. Shiv whenever as long as you can do two in DM. that’s about it

eager pond
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!tott

prisma monolithBOT
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Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
grand trail
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i pushed all 12s key today and idk if 12s are played by bad players or what but i was top dps on all and not by small margin 😄

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just wish we did little more boss dmg

frank trench
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hi dumb question 🙂

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is there an ambush weakaura anyone uses i can't find one to know when blindside procs

grand trail
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
grand trail
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propably in every pack will be one

spice surge
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You dont really need one

frank trench
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oddly lol i havent found one yet that tracks it

spice surge
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But default UI has these things

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frank trench
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lol jesus i have thoise turned off

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it was right there all along

hearty reef
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Mutilate turns into ambush anyway

spice surge
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Either way, you dont need to press ambush when blindside is up

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As it turns mutilate into ambush anyway

frank trench
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omg

spiral pasture
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how do we use vanish for ST with bleed build? before DM for imp gar?

frank trench
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wait

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so when i mutilate amushed is auto used?

spice surge
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If you have blindside procced yes

frank trench
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do i ever need to ambush ever?

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just on opener?

spice surge
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To apply deathstalkers mark in opener ye

frank trench
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ty eleem i think i misunderstood the interaction

placid wave
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its just on your stealth bar

devout fiber
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Hey guys whats the WQ that gives u a half a spark?

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is it the timewalking one?

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Also for the bleed build do we not like the Silence?

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*Iron Wire

worthy forge
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Is there anything I can do to drop combat when my tanks keep chain pulling the next group while the last has a mob at 30%?

tepid breach
prisma monolithBOT
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Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

  • For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
  • Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
  • Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
  • Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
  • Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
  • You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
tough hare
subtle tundra
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maybe not

worthy forge
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I mean the text about garrote is probably correct, but only applying 1 rupture instead of 3 is an issue for me, especially with scent of blood

royal lantern
tough hare
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even so

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I'm curious 😄

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demise is funny

royal lantern
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why do you care really, they did the right call cus stuff apperantely died in less then 10 seconds lol

worthy forge
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it's not that the mobs are dead by then, it's more that I spend 5x spenders instead of 2

royal lantern
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like, idk why some guys get so worked up on this

if stuff is allready dying, it was the right call to do it

if its not dying, it makes no difference really

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so like

dapper halo
worthy forge
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I'm pretty new to sin in tww, last time I played was DF S3 when we had the 45s AOE CD so I'm happy to hear that it's not a big deal

runic hinge
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That was s2. We got the rework in s3

royal lantern
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like, you really just need to understand

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if you pressed CT once, you allready did a big part of your aoe dmg

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its not BfA anymore where not getting stealth for stealth garrotes was actually a big negative and left you with no group dmg at all

worthy forge
worthy forge
static glacier
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since our aoe is overtuned as hell

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and the restealth doesn't matter on st

median scroll
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!shiv

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

royal lantern
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i also love pulling random numbers out of my ass and spread them like facts :3

static glacier
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???

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take ur gar / rup dmg

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take it away

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same for MA crit

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I'd imagine it would be around there, can sim it and produce the number for you if you like

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dslice will be lower than that since it's so st skewed

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actually might be even more since sang blades is turned off too

runic hinge
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you're not getting 0 gar and rupture damage

royal lantern
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^

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what is that take lol

static glacier
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you'll have gar on 2 targets

runic hinge
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idk

static glacier
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and depending on key level rup on up to 5, but in a weekly you wont have time to manually st rupture 5 guys

royal lantern
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like srsly, what is it with IC that breaks peoples brains so hard

runic hinge
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I think i end up sitting on vanish charges more than i end up dry

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except maybe meadery

static glacier
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this whole discussion is about if you go into a pull without stealth

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we've already established st barely matters

runic hinge
#

skill issue tbh

royal lantern
#

and it aoe it doesnt really aswell

#

that is known for fucking years now

static glacier
#

my entire point is its only a fifth of your dmg

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if not less

royal lantern
#

what fitfh

#

why are you not pressing rupture

static glacier
#

?

runic hinge
#

garrote is 9% of my damage overall, it cannot be 20% of my damage to not have imp garrote on a few packs in a whole dungeons

static glacier
# runic hinge

factor in loss of spatter due to spending time manually rupturing, sanguine blades is gone for a good portion of the pull too til you hit energy saturation

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there's an opportunity cost to taking like 12* globals to reach max scent of blood vs 4 globals

runic hinge
#

if i think a tank is gonna chain one 10% mob in i kidney it to keep it from getting me in combat

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i mean

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you just need to play better

static glacier
#

I want to be clear

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im not complaining

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idk what you're responding to man

runic hinge
#

it's one pull, its not a whole dungeon

static glacier
#

yes and its a tiny amount of damage

runic hinge
#

yes

static glacier
#

aka we dont care

runic hinge
#

good

royal lantern
#

yes you dont complain, but saying "20%" is straight up spreading missinformation

static glacier
#

are you betting

#

going into a 90s 8t pull

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with no vanish / stealth in typical bleed build

royal lantern
#

what the fuck is a 90s 8t pull

spice surge
royal lantern
#

what are you doing now

static glacier
#

a typical dungeon pull

royal lantern
#

jesus fucking christ

restive mulch
#

okay i will ask my question a bit later, due to this passiv agressiv diskussion.

ashen scarab
#

guys sorry to interrupt but goddamn, idk what i am doing wrong, i am using hekili for help aswell but my dps is sooo bad, i mean not enough for (IMO) 7

static glacier
ashen scarab
#

any tips? any other addon than hekili? im fkin doneeeee

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btw new to rogue, survi hunt main

spice surge
prisma monolithBOT
static glacier
#

a normal pull is like 6-8 mobs

royal lantern
runic hinge
#

helili isnt good for assa, better off hitting ddummies

analog field
#

hekkli is good after you understand the logic i would say, also it misses some things and that's why it should be used after you understand the class

static glacier
#

we don't have a lot of dynamic conditions

spice surge
#

On aoe its definitely not that simple

static glacier
#

prio lists largely static

fleet pagoda
#

lol

analog field
#

i agree but in mega pulls it helps

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for sure we can do without it, and i think its better to learn without it

static glacier
vital flicker
#

I've never actually used hekili, do people ever actually switch off of using it? They always say "it's good for learning the class, but it isn't optimal" but I want to know a what point do people actually stop using it, or do they never actually stop because they are still "learning the class"?

ashen scarab
#

is it worth to vanish during fight and ambush?

analog field
static glacier
#

it doesn't teach the reasoning behind why we press what we do

vital flicker
analog field
#

also sometimes i forget to use second shiv and with it i don't

static glacier
# vital flicker it just seems like a crutch

telling someone our prios in aoe are to ct > rup up to 5 > envenom caustic target and generators are gar up to number of mobs > fok on aoe > mut on 1 (or 2 with blindside) can let them over a few hours get used to playing it

#

hekili just says press x with no reasons

fleet pagoda
#

assuming this all dungeon context

vital flicker
# static glacier hekili just says press x with no reasons

I'd be interested in seeing 2 people both starting the same class with no experience, one with Hekili, and one without. Put both of them in a raid and a key, and then do the same thing a week later but take away Hekili and see how they perform in comparison.

static glacier
#

stuff like ret or bm would barely differ I'd imagine

vital flicker
#

I think the only way you could control for talent would be through a larger sample size but I am a wow player and talking to 2 people is hard enough let alone more than that

latent umbra
#

Anyone like good at plater? How do i make my "deathstalker mark" target have like those "dashed line" around their hp bar?

spice surge
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
spice surge
#

You can copy the scripts from those Surebud

devout fiber
#

Doing +10's and feeling a lack of damage on ST without kingsbane

image.png
#

Do i switch to this?

winged sun
royal lantern
#

kingsbane doesnt give you ST dmg

sonic schooner
#

i mean

#

again

royal lantern
#

assa in m+ does no boss dmg

sonic schooner
#

bleed does more st damage

royal lantern
#

thats how it is

sonic schooner
#

than hybrid kb

devout fiber
#

hmm

winged sun
#

forced induction

#

play that

#

best for keys

sonic schooner
#

kb is not what it used to be

winged sun
#

fuck sims

sonic schooner
#

zero

devout fiber
#

im starting to see myself getting out damaged

sonic schooner
#

check my sims in outlaw

devout fiber
#

not sure if it was the dungeo nor

sonic schooner
#

good casual build

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no IC no scent no subterfuge

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seems very funny

#

Like you have blindslide AND zoldyck how can u do less st damage

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makes no sens to me

static glacier
spice surge
#

I mean kingsbane is pretty much just an envenom that doesnt cost cp

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Thats all it is

sonic schooner
#

i agree with dtb / amp poison

static glacier
sonic schooner
#

but

#

kb dead

static glacier
#

but ye the lone one sucks

spice surge
static glacier
#

gota count in that lethal dose HOLY

#

from extra poisons being doubled and kb too

#

either way both builds aren't too far off in st

#

we just suck dick at it, nothing can fix it

sonic schooner
#

like here

#

both are rookery first bos

#

hybrid vs bleed

static glacier
#

that bleed one looks a tiny bit low

sonic schooner
#

it does

#

still more damage

static glacier
#

filter it to just the boss on timeline too

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on both

#

bleed build gets an extra dm

devout fiber
#

Hey guys quick question:

When I ahve Caustic Spatter Active, after I have done my openner (so Double Garrote + Rupture and CT applied), and there is 5/6 mobs. Do I spam Fan of Blades > Envenom until the mob count drops down to 2?

static glacier
jolly vault
#

and mutilate once in a while to keep the caustic running

sonic schooner
#

hybrid boss only

image.png
#

bleed boss only

#

still more damage

devout fiber
static glacier
sonic schooner
#

and from my testing, bleed does more damage in st also, it s not game breaking it s assa it does bad damage in pure ST, but still more dam

spice surge
jolly vault
spice surge
#

Wowhead guide Surebud

jolly vault
#

is it? damn, I might be blind

spice surge
#

and/or

jolly vault
#

anyone got glasses to lend

sonic schooner
#

you just live for demiseminmax eleem

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your reason to be

spice surge
jolly vault
#

whats the major difference inbetween the builds? I see that you dont take poison vial, which seems to me like a sturdy talent point

winged sun
#

thats just fake

#

he could've played bad

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he could've done random shit

#

u can never know from that

sonic schooner
#

non cd btw

image.png
#

tell me

winged sun
#

thats mega cooked

sonic schooner
#

kb can do that

winged sun
#

ye u wont do that on a +18

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not gonna happen

devout fiber
#

guys is 3% haste ok?

sonic schooner
#

u know that

spice surge
#

Youre right

devout fiber
spice surge
#

Its only gonna be like 15% on an 18

sonic schooner
#

like

#

do u realise

#

that sudden strengh

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isnt the execute?

timber meadow
#

i love playing my alt boomie in raid that i play one a week for vautl cuase its better on some of these fights than assa xD xD xD'

winged sun
#

packs dont die fast on 18s

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xd

spice surge
#

?

winged sun
#

wdym "?:

spice surge
#

Ofc i know they take longer lmao

winged sun
#

they legit die when the bleeds run out

#

idk what ur talking about

timber meadow
spice surge
#

Ye so you refresh them

winged sun
#

ur just doing +10s

winged sun
#

cooked

#

best u can do is crimsom tempest

spice surge
#

?

winged sun
#

u wont garrote and rupture evertyhing again

spice surge
#

Why not

devout fiber
# devout fiber

If anyone could get back to me on this would be appreciated 😄

sonic schooner
#

well

#

u will spread bleed

winged sun
#

idk if u have good imagination or not but u can just bleed once on kb bleed and just pump envenoms till they die

sonic schooner
#

cuz of scent

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like

#

wtf

#

is this cooked take

spice surge
#

Since the bleeds do more damage than the envenoms

winged sun
#

ur not gonna manually

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rupture

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20 mobs

#

bro

#

xd

sonic schooner
#

that s why u play wihtout a trace

#

and subterfuge

#

but again

#

20 mobs

#

hybrid is better

winged sun
#

i do play with them

sonic schooner
#

but again

#

there are THREE pull that have more than 16 targets

winged sun
#

in high keys u wont do 3 mobs

#

weekly no leaver

sonic schooner
#

in the entire dungeon pull

winged sun
#

thats just mega fried

#

bleed build is so bad for high keys

#

its crazy

sonic schooner
#

maybe it is

winged sun
#

maybe try pushing abit and you'll know what i mean

sonic schooner
#

but point still is

spice surge
#

Brother

sonic schooner
#

bleed does more ST damage

#

and if u do less

spice surge
#

I had higher score than you last season

sonic schooner
#

u just messing

winged sun
#

i didnt push last season

spice surge
#

BRO IS TELLING ME IM EGOING

#

💀

devout fiber
#

is 3% haste too low?

image.png
winged sun
#

maybe stop being cringe and have a real conversation

#

who cares about score if im talking about how the build feels in high keys

fleet pagoda
spice surge
#

Bleed should be better

winged sun
#

brb starting a key

#

besides i did r1 keys in the past on rogue

#

xd

#

not my first time doing keys

spice surge
#

Ye iknow thats why youre like this

sonic schooner
#

also zero i think u overestimate the solo kb when u told me "you have a mini cd"

#

i m pretty sure

royal lantern
#

i swea

jolly vault
# devout fiber is 3% haste too low?

Personally, I would say it isn't the end of the world. But at some point, if you feel like you are getting your abilities out too slow, I'd try to get a teeny bit more

sonic schooner
#

u can just skip the solo kb

royal lantern
#

yellow names are a different breed

sonic schooner
#

and it does the same

spice surge
#

Remind me in 2 months when people whos cock are so far down your throat you cant breathe start playing bleed and youre loving the build

sonic schooner
#

once again, it s maybe n ot the best build, it s maybe not the meta build in high keys and all, whatever

#

but saying bleed does less than hybrid in st is just idk

#

bad pressing shiv i guess

royal lantern
#

i mean, rn it literally is almost objectively the best build

#

unless you have some really REALLY niche "i wanna burst down this 1 guy in big pulls with all CDs+Kingsbane stacked togheter, and the dmg im losing for playing it is worth it" situation, ther eis not really a reason to play it in its current state from a number perspective, bleed is just better in more or less every situation outside of that one

sonic schooner
#

well it s better than hybrid in everything BUT in 3 pulls in the entire dungeon pool

#

imo

spice surge
#

But like ye if youre not refreshing any bleeds then obviously the build that buffs bleeds are gonna be worse

#

And saying it doesnt have a mini cd when it literally has shiv is also so weird

sonic schooner
#

yea and again, demise strenght isnt in the execute in reality

#

🤷‍♂️

high walrus
#

anyone know how to extract specific sounds from wow

#

trying to find the sound of hpal 4set

dapper cradle
#

So basically, hybrid is better than bleed because of how strong Kb is?

devout fiber
#

yh im a bit confused now

#

so Bleed > Hybird or?

sonic schooner
#

basically

#

WW > bleed

lucid nexus
#

!shiv

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

hearty reef
#

More doctored screenshots

sonic schooner
dapper cradle
#

Kb should be top 3

sonic schooner
#

i mean

#

it s top 3 cant u see

#

fok 1 poisons 2 kb 3

hearty reef
#

Bwo got eyes

winged sun
#

im just talking about how the build feels in high keys and ur just throwing cringe sentences left and right

rotund oak
#

speak up

#

ill make bacon out of him

winged sun
#

im not the only one saying it feels less st in m+

hot flicker
#

I said earlier aswell the st on bleed build does feel dead asf even if the numbers are different

rotund oak
#

blocked msgs,stupid pirate sht would make sense monkascheme

winged sun
#

literally talked to like

#

3-4 rogues who are currently in the first page leaderboard in rogue rio

#

they all said the same thing

hot flicker
#

I mean it could just be the gameplay on st making it feel bad

#

Just refresh bleed

#

Kinda mind destroying

hardy rapids
hot flicker
#

Everyone is using bleed build but it’s just the fact the st feels dead that’s all he’s saying

vital flicker
hot flicker
#

True most people

sonic schooner
#

it s just a "new" build (sorry whispyr)

#

so people trying it now

#

it went from 1.2% people to 11% using AP in like cinderbrew now

#

give it 2 weeks and it s gonna be full of bleed build

#

🤷‍♂️

rotund oak
#

are you boys arguing what build is better

#

bleed or hybrid?

sonic schooner
#

or cleave

#

or fatebound

#

who knows

rotund oak
#

..

#

fatebound isnt bad

hot flicker
#

This bleed build reminds me of ret pala damage profile tho strong aoe dead st only ret is easier to play

sonic schooner
#

well

#

ret is currently

rotund oak
#

but in generally pretty sure the two most competitive are bleed and hybrid

sonic schooner
#

doing sub damage in ST

#

so idk how u can call that bad

hearty reef
#

Bleed build ST > VV full ST

sonic schooner
#

when litteraly assa, whatever the build, is a dead weight in ST in m+

#

anyway

#

that s the reality

rotund oak
#

yeah sin ST is mediocre in m+

#

Sub is way better

sonic schooner
#

it indeed is, that s not a secret

rotund oak
#

just play for the fire mage

#

(aka me)

vital flicker
#

outlaw ST before the "bugfix" was also way better

rotund oak
#

(yes im trying fire now)

#

lul

thorn thorn
#

@fallow canopy xla

sonic schooner
#

well

#

truth be told

#

fire ST isnt that great

#

better than assa

hot flicker
#

I wonder what their plan is for rogue at this point who’s getting nerfed/buffed

sonic schooner
#

but not insanely good

winged sun
#

@sonic schooner

#

you'll see

sonic schooner
#

boomie does more

winged sun
#

soon

sonic schooner
rotund oak
#

ST is frost pretty sure

winged sun
#

that nobody's gonna play that shit

vital flicker
sonic schooner
#

will see zero

#

will see

#

who knows

rotund oak
#

ah i c it would make sense why Eleem is mad

winged sun
#

jpc is playing forced induction too apparently

sonic schooner
#

but dont tell me it does less ST when it s not the case i jsut did 30mn of dummies

#

yea instead of what zero

#

show me the talents

#

no tea no vigor?

winged sun
#

?

sonic schooner
#

No ic no subterfuge?

#

look

winged sun
#

what are u talking about

sonic schooner
#

that s apparently

#

what casual ran

winged sun
#

no one said this is more aoe

#

its much more consistent in M+

#

and it does good st

#

4% ahead of bleed build

hearty reef
#

Sanguine?

winged sun
#

in "sims"

sonic schooner
#

hmm

#

i mean

#

this looks good

#

but no blindslide

#

checking

winged sun
#

its more st than ur blindslide build brotherman

sonic schooner
#

on dummy

winged sun
#

dummy

#

xd

static geyser
winged sun
#

and guess what

#

bleed build sucks balls if u pull boss without deathmark

#

ur ognna do legit 0 dps

#

on the otherhand

#

this build does good out of cds

#

keep on coping on that bleed build

#

you'll do 1m st on many bosses

hearty reef
#

You mean in full st?

winged sun
#

yes when ur running to a boss

#

with deathmark on cd cuz the last pack was deadly

#

u will legit deplete the key

#

due to very low st

#

sure bleed build sims fine on st

hearty reef
#

On keys that matter true

winged sun
#

because u rarely have full cds everything ready on pull

#

even if u do, u do season 1 st

#

even season 1 enh did more st

#

@sonic schooner considering ur 1.4m wcl u showed

#

u think thats the highest a sin rogue has ever done to a boss?

#

didnt think so

hearty reef
#

Rog is not a push class

sonic schooner
hearty reef
#

Red dot

#

Doesnt count

#

Unforch sim next

sonic schooner
#

it sims lower but again

#

it might do better in real keys

#

go ahead and give us data

#

and not "feeling" data

#

i m all open for stuff happy_holiday_pepe

static geyser
#

but its true bleed build kinda sucks on boss dmg

sonic schooner
#

and that s dslice

image.png
royal lantern
versed gulch
#

Assassination sucks on boss damage in M+ in general. Some builds suck a little less, some suck a little more.

winged sun
static geyser
#

legit

royal lantern
#

you just play assa in m+, your build doesnt matter, your boss dmg is not gonna be high

hearty reef
#

The 2% diff that makes you time a r1 key

royal lantern
winged sun
#

idk why u think sin aoe is good

#

its legit dogshit

sonic schooner
#

i mean

winged sun
#

udk and ele does more

#

on all situations

sonic schooner
#

assa aoe is the only reason to be assa

winged sun
#

u need st

sonic schooner
#

if u tell me u go assa for the single target

#

i just go bed

static geyser
#

sometimes that matters

#

idk

winged sun
#

censi

#

if ur doing acceptable aoe

#

ur fine

#

but u cant do tank dps on bosses

#

thats just illegal in high keys atm

sonic schooner
#

yea

#

that why u dont do tank dps

hearty reef
#

Isnt that the point of the bleed build? Im confused

winged sun
#

that bleed build wont make it

hearty reef
#

Which agenda is zeross pushing

sonic schooner
#

i usually do 1.5-1.7m on bosses depending on lust or not

golden loom
sonic schooner
#

in 14 15 key range rn

winged sun
sonic schooner
#

but zero again

#

i wait for your streams to learn more new stuff

winged sun
#

its not like the build is different in gameplay i know how to play assa lol

sonic schooner
#

and gather more data

#

(if u can make me not press CT in single target, i m all yours)

#

but i gotta see it

winged sun
#

im not playing that build again it doesnt work on any key whatsoever

#

execute dmg is fake pack is dead everyone has dmg when the pack is dead with the classes we have this season

#

udk deletes everything

#

sudden demise dmg wont cut it

static glacier
odd creek
#

!WA

prisma monolithBOT
sonic schooner
#

thing is

#

again

static glacier
#

it minimises the time people have to hold cds

winged sun
#

keep on coping tho u cant just copy sims 24/7

static glacier
#

if that makes sense

sonic schooner
#

sudden demise strengh

#

isnt in the execute

#

it s fun to see some 30m exec

#

but it s not the point

winged sun
#

u legit will never notice that dmg

#

in a high key with ele/udk

#

which i just played with

static glacier
#

yeah the actual pop is even worse in high keys

winged sun
#

i did have a 40m sudden demise hit too

#

experimented with it here and there

#

its just not it

static glacier
#

we take it for the bleed dam

#

you know this already

winged sun
#

yea i know

mighty vine
#

just play sub and nuke bosses while udk and ele/boomy nuke trash. easy

winged sun
#

except

#

udk does more st than sub

static glacier
winged sun
#

yes

#

it does way more

static glacier
#

theyre same cd timers

#

even

winged sun
#

especially if ur ending fight at bad timing

#

sub loses by alot

static glacier
#

xd

winged sun
#

like

#

its not even close

#

xd

#

20-40m boss dmg difference

static glacier
#

fk it outlul time

mighty vine
#

i mean, you can say that about literally any class. Like yeah, gonna do bad with no CDs

static glacier
#

do it

sonic schooner
#

uhdk > sub

#

but u know what s fun

#

frost dk > uhdk

winged sun
#

udk is getting pi tho

#

on execute like

#

it does so much

#

it destroys sub

#

and im geared as fuck too

static glacier
#

sure, lust and pi juice uh more than sub

sonic schooner
#

like

#

genuily

#

all the uhdk in ws / top

#

are trolling

#

i m 100% convinced frost is just 10 times better

winged sun
#

frost is way stronger

#

in those keys

royal lantern
sonic schooner
#

btw zero

#

i ve u seen

winged sun
#

u wont find waalpen everywhere

sonic schooner
#

they start to test arcane in keys

static glacier
#

top is deffo going to be frost skewed with the pull sizes

sonic schooner
#

cuz as i said multiples time

#

fire is kinda fake

royal lantern
#

assa does no ST dmg in dungeons period

if you wanna play rogue and do boss dmg in m+, you play sub or outlaw, not assa lol

winged sun
#

aoe and st

radiant raven
#

Surely the end result there is you just don't bring rogue, then?

royal lantern
#

then dont play a spec that only excells at one thing lol

winged sun
#

ye

past bobcat
solar cipher
#

can you shadowstep prisons on mugzee?

royal lantern
#

instead of making the 1 thing it does good worse by coping that getting 2% more ST dmg will suddenly make you strong lol

jolly vault
static glacier
#

i mean sin is only weak at one thing too

sonic schooner
#

yea if we be real for a second

static glacier
#

everything else we're average or strong at

past bobcat
#

Floodgate first boss is a sin wet dream

sonic schooner
#

you just dont play rogue

#

in keys

winged sun
#

than sin

#

on bosses if u pull something on top

radiant raven
winged sun
#

its so op

#

im surprised ele has that much funnel

#

crazy spec

past bobcat
#

the sin bleed build is fun though

tough needle
#

@past bobcat

past bobcat
#

you crank aoe

winged sun
#

the general out of cd funnel is about the same tho

tough needle
#

Sluff says hi

royal lantern
# sonic schooner yea if we be real for a second

its always funny when people get the news flash that very high keys suddenly get very restrictive

like man, what do you expect lol, you play the 3-4 exceptionally strong specs that excell everywhere and the rest is kinda left out

radiant raven
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But to me, from reading this it feels like the obvious solution is you don't play Rogue. And if you wanna play Rogue anywya, you just deal with it and play Rogue?

winged sun
past bobcat
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we getting buffed on tuesday