assassination

[royal lantern]

sbs has infinite duration

so its allready infinite dmg

30% more infinite dmg

[fleet pagoda]

play fatebound on top of that for the heads flips, even more demisery

[haughty flicker]

would fatebound be more demisemaxx

i guess the only thing from deathstalker that helps is follow the blood

[fleet pagoda]

think so

[haughty flicker]

rest of it is plague damage

[royal lantern]

well, the FoK/CT node

[haughty flicker]

thats follow the blood ye

can you cb ct

lmao

[royal lantern]

ofc not

[haughty flicker]

you wouldnt be able to take the actual node that makes you play cb in fatebound anyway at that point so guess it doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

you have to play the CB node on m+ fatebound

cause destiny defined is so ass

[haughty flicker]

yeah after i looked at it i realized that wasnt an option lmao

[coral ibex]

and none of them can tell me why except that FI is "basically required"

[slim copper]

its me... ya boi... back for more roasting of my logs 🙂

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[slim copper]

dont lie to me you robot

!review

O.o

[mossy sundial]

oof

[slim copper]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MxnL8RKJdYDr14Vy?fight=1&type=damage-done

ill just drop it here

[keen spruce]

you can just post your log and

ye

if a green name is around they can make a thread

[slim copper]

its normal im aware. so the parse doesnt mean that much to me. But I feel like i did decent

the disparity between the parse and ilvl% is always a bit of a mindfuck for me. I know why they are so different but...

[coral ibex]

ilvl parse doesnt matter

they're bracketed in strange ways

[slim copper]

so ideally what? any thing above 90 for parse is decent?

[keen spruce]

it really depends

logs get wonky in normal cuz people do sale runs and clog up the top slots

same with heroic later in the tier

[lethal lynx]

assa rogue in my key did more damage than I've ever seen anyone do in my +10 pugs

[keen spruce]

if it's a random pug group and the kill times are bad

[lethal lynx]

assa pumps holy

[keen spruce]

blue is fine but probably has some moderate mistakes

purple is good

and like anything 90+ orange or w/e is probably good play + good kill times / raid buffs / etc etc

but if you're under geared then those numbers can shift

[slim copper]

i got my first 99 parse this tier felt so proud of myself but it was just normal lol

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

i did too

[lethal lynx]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CXjvzrqJKk67NdFt?fight=last&type=damage-done

[haughty flicker]

(on boomkin)

[lethal lynx]

I don't understand how he did so much dam

[haughty flicker]

(on stix)

[keen spruce]

I mean plenty of good players clear normal too, 99 is still a 99

[lethal lynx]

can someone explain I'm an assa pleb

[slim copper]

my 99 was as outlaw on stix

it WAS a 100 then some slimy person beat me lol

[lethal lynx]

That means you parsed a 100 grats

[slim copper]

but ya if anyone can make a log review for my log i posted it would be greatly appreciated.

i need to get better plater frames for tracking dots.

a friend shared one and i havent checked it out yet

[slim copper]

i dont understand. 3M in aoe seems average for that ilvl idk

[uneven plume]

Is Whysper here? @balmy condor

[lethal lynx]

Well objectively it's not average since it's a 98 parse for +10s

[slim copper]

especially if he didnt have to waste vanishes

[balmy condor]

what I do

[slim copper]

ya i guess

[uneven plume]

What happened with the cook last night

did you figure out why dashing was cookin

[balmy condor]

yeah sims were dumbfuck

[uneven plume]

so nothing changes

no new cook?

[lethal lynx]

Usually when I'm tanking 10s people cap out at around 2.5m depending on the key

[balmy condor]

no, no new cook

doesn't impact dslice at all

it's just fixing sustained aoe sims

[uneven plume]

kk

[balmy condor]

you can go back to playing FI

or being FI

idk which it is

forced induction or fucking idiot

[snow hamlet]

fucking idiot

[uneven plume]

idk it feels good bro

[balmy condor]

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

[uneven plume]

causing a feeling of happiness and well-being.

[uneven plume]

just feels good man

[balmy condor]

how does it feel

what feel

like regardless of numbers

what are we feeling about it

what is it giving that provides said feedback

[uneven plume]

feels good to compete on ST bosses

feels so good

[balmy condor]

[uneven plume]

[waxen oyster]

tbh he could have done more, caustic spatter should be 1st in that build

[lethal lynx]

poor guy got griefed on the final boss too since the dk was dead for 80% of it

he coulda had a 99 parse

[waxen oyster]

You slam envenoms into a big boy of the pack and it just splashes a shit ton to everything around it

rookery has a fair amount of big boys

[slim copper]

im torn between play more WoW or play AC Shadows

[haughty flicker]

im going to start recording m+

did an 11 workshop just now and prot pally did his best vhd impression right away

sprinted into first pull, made it to second pack and immediately fell over

[turbid schooner]

anyone available i could pick ya brain real quick

[balmy condor]

what are you, a zombie

picking brains

[turbid schooner]

yes.

[haughty flicker]

its trotsky i think

[turbid schooner]

for some reason i seem to be doing more ST damage in my m+ spec than st spec and i cant figure out what im doin wrong

[balmy condor]

HUH

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

do you have logs

[turbid schooner]

yea

[balmy condor]

lets see em

[turbid schooner]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6bqMg81CWZFdTJQn

[waxen oyster]

your "Raid build" has IC and SD

[dapper cradle]

don't sleep on IC in riad

[waxen oyster]

why do you have ct in an st build

and not even one cast of it

[proper cosmos]

did you die on every boss? Cause having 12 or 20 envenom casts doesn't see right

[waxen oyster]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6bqMg81CWZFdTJQn?fight=16&source=46&type=casts&view=events

no mark opener

[vital flicker]

so FI now sims higher than Tea with the bleed build?

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

[dapper cradle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6bqMg81CWZFdTJQn?fight=33&type=casts&source=46&view=timeline

didn't apply mark on this mugzee pull either

[slim copper]

for some reason i could just imagine the expression on your face

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/realization-nick-whats-going-on-big-guy-i-watched-you-do-it-with-my-own-two-feet-gif-27630828

whisp when he checks your log and you never pressed ambush

[slim copper]

OOF

[vital flicker]

at least for me (the top one is hybrid)

[balmy condor]

by 6%?

[vital flicker]

that's a dungeon slice sim

[balmy condor]

link sim

that uh

[vital flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/otym6Ay3EZbe49kcbTpH21

[balmy condor]

6% is like nearly the full value of supercharget lmao

okay well

your tea sim

is running a different build

vs

[fallow canopy]

[vital flicker]

oh I didn't notice lmao

my b

[balmy condor]

all g that's what I'm here for

[balmy condor]

I am wondering how close it is when you re-sim though

the last update I did in sims did skyrocket supercharger value in dslice

I really tried to make it work

[slim copper]

This guy might be cooking. St in dslice. Let’s goooooo

[runic hinge]

guys i need help my best sudden demise was only 20 million

[slim copper]

Lemme ask ChatGPT rq

[waxen oyster]

bleedbuild with no lightweight

is a choice

[runic hinge]

I actually know the answer

[snow hamlet]

depends on your team dps

[slim copper]

Pool energy for a minute?!

[runic hinge]

I don't have sbs in that build cause im taking iron wire

[snow hamlet]

SD is just an extension of rupture/gar/CT. The faster the mobs die, the higher of SD, and the slower the mobs die, it lower.

you can run it in timewalk dslice and you get 40%+ SD if you really like a big number

[balmy condor]

dudden semise

[snow hamlet]

[vital flicker]

all is right in the world lmao bleed+tea is still better https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t4L41Y51NNHCs9RFRdfCsn

I am surprised that no tea is as good as it is though all things considered

[static glacier]

Tea isnt that wild in any kinda multitarget

Since we’re energy saturated

[runic hinge]

and most of the value is in the energy and not the mastery

luckily we havent had too many auto tea arguments lately

it's all about

||barrels||

[balmy condor]

yeh that's more reasonable

and that's AFTER I pushed it like 3% or some shit

forced induction in aoe is baked to a crisp now

[solar wyvern]

Played bleed build timing 16 FG

With ftb

Man oh man does this build crank

Did a shiv+ CT on the bloodwarper after first boss and hit him for 26m with SD haha

Demise maxxing is my new crack

[balmy condor]

based

[uneven plume]

you havent tried FI yet

[solar wyvern]

Yes i have, bleed clears it im afraid

[uneven plume]

but how does it feel compared to FI

[solar wyvern]

mm true

FI does feel better in ST

because I am bad at bleed

I struggle with the concept of not having envenom uptime so i can abuse sanguine blades

[slim copper]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[runic hinge]

ftb better now? or just better for demisemaxxing

[balmy condor]

ftb is just demisemaxxing

it's like pretty close to equal in sims

so ftb just ends up being better

[plain spruce]

ftb?

[coral ibex]

follow the blood iirc

or im cooked

[runic hinge]

yeah

[slim copper]

@balmy condor question about sudden demise, and DM (and all bleeds i guess). if you pass the 35% threshhold, are your bleeds applied before that kind of in a snapshot from before? or will they get the damage amp?

[balmy condor]

what

[slim copper]

i guess what im really asking is if you have DM up and you are about to get a boss perse to under 35, should you wait?

[balmy condor]

sudden demise checks if it can execute whenever a bleed ticks

[slim copper]

ok

thats what i was asking

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah you can wait I guess on the boss

but you'd be waiting for zoldyck, not for sudden demise

[slim copper]

ohhh the 15% damage increase is static passive, not only under 35 my bad misread

[balmy condor]

correct

[slim copper]

gotcha thanks

[balmy condor]

the under 35% is just for the execute

[slim copper]

damn ok assa has a pretty strong "execute" phase then.

[balmy condor]

the strongest in the entire game, yes

[dapper cradle]

!dik

[slim copper]

here let me help you with that somnius

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[slim copper]

lol

[dapper cradle]

[vital flicker]

so hear me out, bone spike does infinite damage, and Sudden Demise triggers when bleeds will deal 150% of the target's health so bone spike should kill all targets <35% and blizzard needs to fix the fact that we don't just execute everything under 35% health

they can call it a bug fix and we can all laugh at outlaw for getting a bug fix nerf

[balmy condor]

real

(sudden demise counts a flat 30 seconds of bone spike)

[vital flicker]

I never actually knew that, I just assumed it didn't count or something

[balmy condor]

yeh it's a weird one

[vital flicker]

Bone Spike has got to be one of the worst talents in the game across all classes specifically when it come to target dummies

please just let me drop combat

[balmy condor]

yeh just gotta mount up and fly like 50 feet

[wispy adder]

Hi is outlaw or asa better for m+?

[balmy condor]

usually down the stairs and about half way down the path is enough for dorn

[balmy condor]

most of the top players are playing assassination, but they're both fine

just play whatever you're more comfortable with

[frank trench]

when you are playing bleed build and your tank doesnt let you go into stealth between pulls

[loud light]

oh boy

[balmy condor]

oh boy

[frank trench]

do you just garote and rupture manually as many mobs as possible

[balmy condor]

idk about "as many as possible"

[wispy adder]

And why they play asa?

[frank trench]

or do you just stick on one mob

[balmy condor]

but yeh, rupture some of the new mobs

the expiring dots on the old pack will push you into the next

[frank trench]

my tank drags like 1 mob with 15% health into next pack

[balmy condor]

what a fucking dream

[frank trench]

don't i want to have a second to get into stealth?

[balmy condor]

not really

[vital flicker]

rupture for the 4% agility

[balmy condor]

the most optimal thing is the tank drags like 3 mobs with 30% health

the more he drags the better

that shit makes a white tear run down my leg

[vital flicker]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

more aoe

[frank trench]

is it just get as mnay ruptures as possible or do i want garottes too

[balmy condor]

you can't really spread garrotes without stealth

[frank trench]

sorry its like day 4 of assassination

[balmy condor]

and even if you can, non-stealth garrotes are pretty shit

[frank trench]

its alot 😄

ok that might be where my dps loss is

[vital flicker]

scent of blood caps out at 20% so 5 ruptues is 20% extra agility

[balmy condor]

like in theory you should be holding your vanishes for these moments to begin with

[frank trench]

ok

[balmy condor]

but if you're out of vanishes and no stealth

[frank trench]

am i shiving on cooldown?

[balmy condor]

then you tab a couple ruptures, CT the new pack when they're all grouped

and just go on your way

idk bout "on cooldown"

but generally close to it, yeah

after you get CT up just send it

[frank trench]

ok

ohhhhh

i see

if i shic without ct up

it doesnt get the big boost

[balmy condor]

I mean it does

it's not a snapshot

[frank trench]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

but it just doesn't make sense to shiv before having the bleed up to begin with

[frank trench]

sure

ty whispyr helpful 🙂

[balmy condor]

no problem

[frank trench]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Wish someone would bring about my sudden demise

[slim copper]

1v1 me. i gotchu

[latent umbra]

Its there a big dps loss if i kingbanes first den next i press shiv?

For raid ST

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition of big I guess

[latent umbra]

Fat fingered my opener wrongly sometimes. Desthmark>king>shiv

[balmy condor]

my gf says 2 inches is big

[latent umbra]

Instead of deathmark>shiv>king

[latent umbra]

Mine say shes ok if its a triple A battery size

[balmy condor]

that's insane girth

but yeh it's like a very clear mistake

[dapper halo]

i like the double vanish build for the bleed spec, more vanishes gives more breathing room when tank doesnt care about having breaks

[balmy condor]

but it's around 0.6-0.8% loss

it's bad but not like insane

[latent umbra]

Thanks 😘

[runic hinge]

Master assassin goes hard with subterfuge

[balmy condor]

brother as a master assassin myself

I assure you I'm always hard

[dapper halo]

lets take " I assure you I'm always hard " out of context and run with it

[latent umbra]

@balmy condor i knw somewhere guide got mention but i still confuse. When shud our first vanish be used during opener?

When the first kingsbane ending?

[balmy condor]

in raids we don't use vanish anymore

[latent umbra]

Oh shit ok

So i assume vanish in m+ is jus for reapply bleeds or when tanks jus go ham and chain pull

But for raid its not used for our rotation?

[balmy condor]

we dropped improved garrote and master assassin after the most recent buffs, so vanish has no dps buff attached, can hold it to move the mark

vanish in m+ is for chain pulls mainly yes

or on bosses for improved garrote during deathmark

[runic hinge]

Master of ass but not the rogue kind

[latent umbra]

Wait so is vanish imp garro den u apply desthmark?

[balmy condor]

nah

deathmark first

cause we also use master assassin

would be a waste to vanish that early

[latent umbra]

Ahh ok

[balmy condor]

it's not a very hard-timed cast

you can just kinda throw it out whenever

[latent umbra]

Death mark do normal shiv king den vanish(master assassin) den go as normal ya?

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[latent umbra]

Sweet thanks man. For replying

😘

[balmy condor]

np

but also no kingsbane

we're no kb chads

[golden loom]

get to fight stix tonight again woooo!

[timber meadow]

i feel like it's legitimately hard to find anything (other than like justt never mutilating or some wild shit) in assa rotation on st that by itself is a huge loss

[zenith elm]

Anyone having trouble timing TOP?

in a 12, i'm having lots of dps with me having less than 2 M dps overall

[timber meadow]

i could see it being hard to time in keys where a tank w routes it

with zero creativty in the pulls/skips, gonna be tough for an avg 12 do'er to blast

[zenith elm]

idk, i'm at 2.9M each time so they just feel a bit, underwelming ?

[buoyant herald]

doing sub 2m in ANY 12 is absolutely throwing

[timber meadow]

what feels underwhelming?

[rough dagger]

is WoWhead Icy veins correct on talents?

[barren yarrow]

Hi I’m asking on here again because I didn’t get an answer but is the bleed build worth in higher keys like 12+ or should I stick with the hybrid build?

[timber meadow]

both are honestly good. id play both and see which you prefer. you wont be inting with either

fwiw i think i prefer the bleed build now

[barren yarrow]

Hmmm 🤔 ok ok

[balmy condor]

wowhead is updated faster and is more in depth

[rough dagger]

ty

[balmy condor]

owen give /simc

[barren yarrow]

well now I can’t fucking sleep and I am going to import the bleed build lol

[balmy condor]

I need anpther char

to test this APL

[timber meadow]

im in bed on laptop 😦

[balmy condor]

doomed

[barren yarrow]

I can login

[balmy condor]

nah don't bother logging in

[slim copper]

That’s hawt

[barren yarrow]

okie

[balmy condor]

I can yoink random raidbots links from the channel

[barren yarrow]

Do ittt

[balmy condor]

first result

[barren yarrow]

👀

[balmy condor]

W

[barren yarrow]

🤣

[balmy condor]

YOINK

MY SIMC NOW

[barren yarrow]

Is there anything you can’t do?

[balmy condor]

curing cancer is rough

[barren yarrow]

True

I definitely don’t like cancer

[timber meadow]

oh i did poat some links to sim last night so if you need you can prob find those and pull it

[balmy condor]

all of my associates are not fond of cancer

ongod

[earnest remnant]

have a normal sleep schedule, is one thing he cant

[balmy condor]

fuck you stealthi it's not my fault I wake up after 4-5 hours

I mean I guess it is my fault

[barren yarrow]

lol 😂

[balmy condor]

but it's not consciously my fault

[earnest remnant]

hey im the same

i slept 3 hours today

[hollow river]

Why am I awake

[balmy condor]

yeh

I went to bed at uh

3:30 yesterday

and was up at 7:30

[barren yarrow]

My family is asleep and I’m just laying here talking to you guys

idk what I’m doing

[earnest remnant]

same but 4am to 7am

[timber meadow]

yall are demons

[earnest remnant]

and ive got raid at 8pm today

[barren yarrow]

I have a birthday to goto at noon

it’s 3am

[balmy condor]

bro's just on his bed with his laptop kickin his feet n shit talking to the pookies in discord that's crazy

[earnest remnant]

so that aint gonna be fun

[timber meadow]

yeah bro same here, raid at 6am my tiemzone sat/sun lol

[barren yarrow]

Yeah but now my wife plays wow and she made a rogue so bless up

Swore she’d never play hehe

[earnest remnant]

ok no need to flex on us

[timber meadow]

er 7am

[barren yarrow]

I WIN

[timber meadow]

nah i was lying

[balmy condor]

also owen

[timber meadow]

no flex

[barren yarrow]

zero

[golden loom]

I had an alarm at 8 am to watch f1 🙂

[balmy condor]

you fucking lying shit

"ACTUAL M+ SETUP"

[barren yarrow]

lol 😂

[timber meadow]

LOL

[barren yarrow]

CMON OWEN!

[balmy condor]

tf that supposed to mean

[timber meadow]

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna go look what his "Theater" build is

if I see cooked shit it's over for you bud

[barren yarrow]

Owen run

[balmy condor]

oh lord

2/2 lethality

NO SUDDEN DEMISE?

GG

[barren yarrow]

you can hide out at my place until the heat dies off

[timber meadow]

I think i had like 5 very similar talent setups lmao at one point and that was the one i actauly wanted to use

dude im actually geting farmed for my talent names - pretty sure its the same as actual M+ steup or some small diff

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/chart2-gif-27687132

[barren yarrow]

Capitalize off that shit

[balmy condor]

theater setup btw

[barren yarrow]

Trademark your talent build names!

[timber meadow]

in my defense i think i used it once

wait idk if that makes it beter wtvr

[runic hinge]

Reported

[balmy condor]

you also have a "bleed" loadout and a "bleed build" loadout, which are identical

shaking my smh my head

so unorganized

how do you live with yourself

knowing this is who you are

your true colors revealed

[timber meadow]

i legit deleted one of them since

[balmy condor]

okay based

[timber meadow]

swaer to moteher fuckin god

[balmy condor]

alch/jewelcrafting is pretty based too

W professions

[golden loom]

herb mining or noob

[timber meadow]

im a big professions nerd

i have every profession maxed lol

[balmy condor]

silence farmer

you are a lesser being

you do the manual labor for my crafts

back to the fields with yee!

[golden loom]

I gather for xp not for gold we are not the same

[balmy condor]

holy

[barren yarrow]

Wow shut me right the hell up

[runic hinge]

Should I level another rogue

[golden loom]

my dh, 2 of my rogues and my warrior are all leveld from 70-80 by picking flowers and mining rocks!

[barren yarrow]

my feet are now reclining with pop corn @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

we got a fucking leveling speedrunner in our midst that's crazy

[timber meadow]

when im sad or tilted, ill just herb for like a day straight on the weekend, i feel you

[balmy condor]

ayo, feet?

[barren yarrow]

feet

[balmy condor]

say less king

[golden loom]

its honestly soothing to fly around isle of dorn gathering

[timber meadow]

alright well nm, isole of dorn route is shit

[barren yarrow]

I mean before my guild sold raids and shit I manly did that just mined and herb.

[golden loom]

ur a freak if ur flying around azjkahet

[barren yarrow]

then I found out about those skinning groups

[golden loom]

I wanna be out in the world seeing the sun

listening to BFA music and my friends argue on teamspeak

life is good

[barren yarrow]

yeahhhhh dude take your computer to the park. Get a starlink antenna and game.

[balmy condor]

you guys are animals

[barren yarrow]

serenity at its finest

Shit I’ll goto the beach with my family and bust out my laptop. Gains over everything.

I’m uncontrollable

and I should probably goto sleep

[balmy condor]

nothin like the ol sand-fan

[barren yarrow]

lol 😂

[balmy condor]

turn on your laptop and you hear it rattlin like a maraca

[barren yarrow]

I’ve been having to play inside this hotel for the last two weeks because y house got flooded. Not happy.

[balmy condor]

FLOODED?

dawg what

[barren yarrow]

my laptop is beyond shit

yeah toilet flooded. Sewage everywhere

[balmy condor]

oh that's rough

[barren yarrow]

Yeah not fun

[vital flicker]

Holmes more like homeless

[balmy condor]

I was like hurricane season ain't for another couple of months how did he flood

[barren yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/real-gif-4390178

[balmy condor]

but toilet flooding is super cringe

[barren yarrow]

Happened back in December I’m in Virginia and it was like super cold. Pipes froze and next thing I know we’re coming back from dinner and there sewage water everywhere

hahahah we just started laughing cause why wouldn’t this happen to us

BUT HEY! Wifey got her mud room!

suck that Mother Nature

[balmy condor]

[barren yarrow]

Anyways I’m gonna try to goto bed lol. Cya kings and queens.

[slim copper]

So fucked

[trail socket]

hey all, first kill on mythic vexie tonight, want to improve. Is there a channel for log review for rogue? I don't see it on the sidebar

[balmy condor]

There is not

[golden loom]

just send it in the open

[spice spire]

Yep you’re rawdogging that shit

[trail socket]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V6FtfhZq7zdCnWHQ?fight=9&type=damage-done&source=17

k tell me how the fuck do i remember to shiv for envenom/darkest night/lingering darkness

i feel like i'm just looking at a million weakauras right now

[rough dagger]

is there a significant dps difference between Bleed build vs Hybrid?

[quartz cloak]

Look at shiv CD and when it comes back up, you think about to use it next time you have darkest night buff 😁 but I also forget it sometimes within the heat

[trail socket]

I know -- I also raid lead and I feel like I need 2 brains for this shit sometimes lol

[blazing pumice]

not in non-trivial keys no

[iron vapor]

Anyone got a link to the bleed build? I've had a good look through wowhead but there's so many articles with such similar titles that it's hard to find!

[barren yarrow]

Wowhead > classes > rogue > assassination > talents > bleed build scroll down like half way

[rotund oak]

had this intense storm where i live,pipes couldnt hold the water,bursted,a literal lake of sht flooded the place

(thats how outlaw feels like btw)

[slim copper]

What’s it like raiding in mythic this tier? I miss mythic raiding. 💔

[odd creek]

any idea how to add a garrote counter to Devlin's group WA?

it already has one for Rupture

and i want the same for garrotes

[balmy condor]

could probably copy the logic from the rupture one

but that sounds

insanely pointless

[odd creek]

Tried to copy it but it doesnt display how many garrotes i have

Insanely pointless? Dont we want to have garrotes on multiples target in aoe packs?

[balmy condor]

yeah from stealth

[odd creek]

Ye

[balmy condor]

so you just vanish/stealth, and then spam it a couple times instead of fok and then move on

[blazing pumice]

there's no count requirement for garrote like there is for rupture

[balmy condor]

yeh

rupture you have scent of blood

garrote is just damage

yeah looks like you can just copy text 2 from the rupture

and it'll work

I guess you have to also get the trigger copied

but it JustWorks™️

[odd creek]

Ye, i didn’t copy the trigger

How to do so?

[balmy condor]

text 2 on rupture points to trigger 3

so make a new trigger on garrote that looks like trigger 3 on rupture

then make a new text on garrote that looks like text 2 on rupture

swap the spell id's from rupture to garrote, swap the new garrote text to point to the new trigger

[odd creek]

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

yep

hope it helps with... whatever it's supposed to help with

[inner citrus]

How is sin single target damage wise compared to sub rogue?

[earnest remnant]

in m+?

or in raid?

m+ bad (sub is insane for it)
raid about the same

[iron vapor]

In raid assassination single target is decent, especially in the last 35%.

[rocky flicker]

Hey, shouldn't there be a lingering darkness buff after Darkest night?

[balmy condor]

no

deathmark

your 2min cd

[inner citrus]

Both m+ and raid.

Been liking both sub and sin but sin is a little better for my old hands

[rocky flicker]

How can I never get a buff to show, even with WA's. 😦

Anyone got a WA for lingering darkness I could test?

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

mine at the top

[rocky flicker]

Let's see.

[trail socket]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[rocky flicker]

Still no lingering darkness buff. What is going on.

[balmy condor]

walk me through what you're doing

[rocky flicker]

Standard opener.

Get 3 marks to proc.

[balmy condor]

okay again, nothing to do with the marks

[iron vapor]

That's not LD.

[balmy condor]

it's deathmark

[rocky flicker]

After Darkest night with full CP I should get lingering, correct?

[balmy condor]

your 2 min cd

[iron vapor]

Death mark gives lingering darkness for 30 seconds when it expires

[balmy condor]

DEATHMARK

YOUR

TWO

MINUTE

COOLDOWN

[rocky flicker]

Alright.

Im officially illiterate. 😄

Too many death and marks. Q.Q

[iron vapor]

To be fair, a lot of rogue talents/abilities sound very similar. Mark of death, death mark, marked for death, deathed for mark.

Darkness that lingers, lingering darkness, marked for lingering death.

[balmy condor]

it's literally just deathstalker's mark and deathmark

[vital flicker]

RIP marked for death

[rocky flicker]

Thank you.

[iron vapor]

Then there's the really abstract stuff like improved garotte, who the fuck knows what that even does?

[rocky flicker]

And I thought I was going insane.

[golden loom]

it improves garotte

[hot pasture]

do we really need to craft this weak?

[balmy condor]

need? no

[hot pasture]

i gues we sim and then we decide no?

[balmy condor]

that is an option yes

[rocky flicker]

Could someone point me to the right direction, cant seem to find info about shiv usage, when playing without KB. O.o Is it during DM, or just for every Darkest night?

[golden loom]

if ur talking about M+, then its 2 for deathmark, otherwise just send them in AoE when CT is up

[rocky flicker]

Exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks!

[hot flicker]

Not sure about anyone else but I’ve been struggling single target with bleed build

[latent umbra]

Anyone like good at plater? How do i make my "deathstalker mark" target have like those "dashed line" around their hp bar?

[hot flicker]

I get about 1-1.2m st dps

Which I guess isn’t great

[balmy condor]

that's just the spec

[hot flicker]

Yeah idk I feel like that kind of dps 1-1.2m would cut it in higher keys for bosses? Or I’m tripping?

Wouldn’t

[balmy condor]

I do around 1.4 in my 14/15s on pure single target bosses

assa rogue isn't in keys for the single target

[quiet oar]

I am

Because im Single

and a target

[hot flicker]

True so I guess just when your forming group make sure you got some boss pumpers

Or the time you make up in packs is irelevant

[balmy condor]

uh

yeah sure man

[hot flicker]

Idk I’m just asking

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean the logic doesn't really make sense

if you're speeding up packs, you're speeding up packs

[hot flicker]

Yeah but your slowing down bosses right?

[iron vapor]

Think of the whole dungeon as one big boss fight - you need to get through X million damage to finish.

[balmy condor]

sure but if you're doing 5 mil overall dps, you're doing 5 mil overall dps

bosses are factored into overall dps

[iron vapor]

If you're pushing 5M DPS for most of it, then your 1.2M on the bosses is kinda irrelevant

[hot flicker]

True I guess that’s more logical

I’m just being weird haha

[balmy condor]

like yeh bosses will be long

but the vast majority is still aoe

[iron vapor]

Don't overthink it, it's just stabbing

[balmy condor]

it's the same thing with boomkin

and they're meta as hell

[hot flicker]

Your right im just thinking about it wrong

[arctic onyx]

Is anybody playing bleed build ?

[balmy condor]

yep

[arctic onyx]

Not sure but it feels much better

[balmy condor]

yeh, it just is better imo

I don't really see any reason not to play it

[arctic onyx]

And st is decent with free ambushes

[balmy condor]

better than hybrid, yes

[marble hemlock]

are they really free when you have to spend energy for a mutilate tho?

[balmy condor]

yes

the ambushes themselves are free

their origin has no bearing on his statement

go back to bed you old geezer

[marble hemlock]

they cost a GCD

[balmy condor]

gcd's are not a cost when you're energy capped

the time spent would not have been spent otherwise

[marble hemlock]

they cost a button press and when assuming that your keyboard has a finite amount of buttonpresses remaining before failing, thats technically fewer mutilates cast

[hot flicker]

In aoe do you use the ambush procs or continue with fok?

[balmy condor]

I fucking hate you seli

[marble hemlock]

am i wrong?

[balmy condor]

same logic

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[hot flicker]

So basically you never am busy or mutilate outside of spattering? In aoe

Ambush

[balmy condor]

correct

[hot flicker]

Sweet

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah you tell him

[balmy condor]

at least my guide is updated when new builds come out

gottem

[fringe spear]

True, think about how much money you're losing on replacing keyboards with free ambush

[vast shuttle]

just got a 12+ key and my ilvl is 558 is it too low to run it?

[fringe spear]

558 is pretty low

But surely someone can carry

[marble hemlock]

i was more thinking in terms of DPS loss. if your keyboard breaks mid pull, and does so earlier than it wouldve without blindside, youre losing a hell of a lot of DPS, especially if itd normally have broken on a different pull.

[fringe spear]

But also do world quests or something

[marble hemlock]

558 or 658? the latter would be fine, the former would be you dying to virtually every ability the bosses cast

[balmy condor]

anything is possible with enough gold

[fringe spear]

Too real

[vast shuttle]

iam stupid i ment 658 XD

[fringe spear]

Not worth the risk

But wait what if ur keyboard now breaks when u click rez button instead of in combat?

[marble hemlock]

then youre absolutely fine

[fringe spear]

Real life needs an item update that shows durability of items so u know when they'll break

Not a big fan of the current clue based system

[night cipher]

!corruption

oh noes, it's double helm farm time (TD M+ / IS ST) or did someone do the math for bis ?

[balmy condor]

numbers haven't been run yet

but on first glance all the helm enchant bullshit seems irrelevant

[night cipher]

free damage I guess, has to count for something. the stats one seems kinda too low to consider

[ancient rain]

i tried the bleed build in my weekly 10 no leavers and im not going back to no hybrid ass build

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean they all suck

whoopdie doo, you didn't have free damage proc on your helmet, now you have free damage proc on your helmet

yippieeeeeeeeeee

[night cipher]

which is precious info so no double helm, double corr for minmaxing required 😄

[balmy condor]

it's probably like weapon enchants I guess

like depths vs power

or embellishment like ele focus vs ascendance

[strange python]

Hey guys, any idea how to use kick as a range check for plater transparency? Using whispyrs profile modded to my liking but can't seem to find the feature. I've seen the class range check (yards) but min is 10 and kick is 5, the amount of times I miss click a mouse over kick/rupture despite feeling I'm sat amongst all mobs is infuriating

[jagged eagle]

why is everyone maghar orc rogue???

[balmy condor]

maghar got buffed a while back

[radiant raven]

Orcs are cool

[balmy condor]

and people swapped out of sheer hype

[jagged eagle]

ahaaa, still on pugs prob NELF are better idk why but tanks chain a pack with 1 mob left at 2% is frustrating man

[balmy condor]

many bad tanks out there

they think they're chaining but they're just being dumb

[spice surge]

Just glock the mobs with a huge demise and restealth

[balmy condor]

maybe that's the bleed build propaganda we need

DOCTORS HATE HIM, GET A RESTEALTH WITH THE ONE WEIRD TRICK

[spice surge]

Big demise taking notes

[hardy dagger]

Dm that straggler to get restealth

[spice surge]

Thats exactly what we meant

[balmy condor]

the counter-propaganda

[hardy dagger]

🤝

[jagged eagle]

so how do you set that huge demiseeeee

[balmy condor]

you play bleed build and hit dm

[limber lion]

Bleed build, Deathmark, Zoldyck, AP

[balmy condor]

cev alive in 2025

[limber lion]

I saw the new bleed icon

Had to jump on

[spice surge]

The bleed build has awakened the dormant assa rogues

[limber lion]

How's the patch looking like?

[balmy condor]

m+ is fun for the first time in like 35 years

[cunning needle]

you said that after the assi rework last expansion!

[balmy condor]

assa rework last expansion made assa fun in m+

it didn't make m+ fun

the content was ass

[cunning needle]

oh

then false.

[limber lion]

Oooh my biggest painpoint

[balmy condor]

assassination was good though

[cunning needle]

m+ is never fun

[limber lion]

Maybe I need to log in for a bit

[jagged eagle]

what a safe

[cunning needle]

delete m+

[limber lion]

PoE2 let me down so I need something to fill the small void between work and practice

[balmy condor]

last epoch has a new season soon

[cunning needle]

wtf did poe2 do, my mate whos a huge poe nerd also hates it

[limber lion]

Oh yeah truue

[cunning needle]

he was on wow day1 of poe2 new season

[balmy condor]

they nerfed the shit out of everything

[cunning needle]

[limber lion]

They nerfed everything and it's just super painful and slow

[cunning needle]

wtf

[limber lion]

Just feels very, very bad

[cunning needle]

time to not play it for another season then

excellent

[balmy condor]

GGG is running poe2 into the ground because they're hellbent on making a darksouls ARPG

[limber lion]

Every animation takes 2s to do and in those 2s a boss/rare monster spawns like 17 things on the ground that you gotta dodge

[balmy condor]

allergic to fun

[limber lion]

Big true

[small cairn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cunning needle]

no fun allowed

[balmy condor]

oh this build is faster than a level 10 poe1 character and can kill bosses in UNDER THREE MINUTES???

nerf it by 75% immediately

and they like

legit nerfed EVERYTHING

[limber lion]

Yeah like literally every single thing

[balmy condor]

ghazzy was pissy because minions are unplayable

raxx was bitching that you get WEAKER as you level

ziz was saying it was the worst arpg he's played

like legit every content creator no matter their build preference or game preference

[limber lion]

Solid patch GGG

[balmy condor]

it's so doomed

[cunning needle]

how does d4 and poe2

both flop so hard

holy shit

[limber lion]

I'm actually so curious if they even do any playtesting themselves or just look at other people play the game and then throw out random numbers when nerfing stuff

I can't imagine them playing through act 1 and going "yeah this fucking rules"

[cunning needle]

classic blizzard dart board of buffs/nerfs?

[balmy condor]

I played the poe2 beta for like 25 hours

and just through leveling I was like man this is so shit

[cunning needle]

yeah i got to lvl 12

before i gav eup

[balmy condor]

I almost got through the campaign and one of my friends said "could you imagine doing this every league start"

and I threw up on the spot and closed the game

and never opened it again

[cunning needle]

oh yeah unrelated

is there any "group" content in maplestory to do

[balmy condor]

bossing is 6 man parties

[cunning needle]

what about for 2 people

[balmy condor]

that's what I'm doing

I'm 2 man progging

we just don't pug

[cunning needle]

as in 2man progging 6man content?

[balmy condor]

correct

[cunning needle]

i see

im feeling slightly nostalgic

[balmy condor]

the newest endgame boss is for 3 man parties

and there's a very hard boss that's for 2 mans

[cunning needle]

but i dont think i want to play pre-big bang again

even on a pserver

[balmy condor]

I would wait for june patch

[cunning needle]

what's happening june?

[balmy condor]

maplestory gets 2 big patches every year in june and november

huge events and you get leveling up event with superjuiced shit

[cunning needle]

i see

tbh that lines up rather well

since prog should be over by then

[balmy condor]

I think this summer event in june we get the super buffed leveling event

where you get 1 + 4

[cunning needle]

what is a 1+4?

[balmy condor]

so instead of leveling like 200->201

you just go 200 -> 205

[cunning needle]

oh thats wild

so you get 5 levels instead of 1

[balmy condor]

yah

[cunning needle]

is my math mathing?

excellent, i have done some math in my time

[balmy condor]

and you get a new zone every 5 levels

so you basically do the zone quest, do a set of dailies, grind for a little, new zone quest

right now it's 3 levels, not 5

so there's some awkward moments

like right now you can go 245 -> 248 -> 251 -> 254 -> 257 -> 260

[warm vortex]

Yo whispy whispy have you seen this new bleed build? Is it on wowhead yet???? Why wasn’t it there beforehand?!?!?

[balmy condor]

unlock new zone at 245, then level, you're in same zone

level to 251, new zone, level, you're in same zone

[warm vortex]

Also is it weird me and my homie watch your vids like this

[balmy condor]

then you got 257, new zone, 260, new zone

[warm vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356919335007817808/New_whisp_vidf_lmao.png?ex=67f3971b&is=67f2459b&hm=f68b5a7442084d3ffa0a8f8765ad508e9de1750de24843de3ce772574955398c&

[balmy condor]

back to back

[balmy condor]

this is an insane meme

[warm vortex]

I remember making it because I thought it was funny

[cunning needle]

kk i shall start playing again in june

[stuck knoll]

you just doing your Maple sales pitch in assa now

[balmy condor]

always have buddy

[cunning needle]

last Q - how p2w is maplestory now?

[warm vortex]

Originally it was just your face cam on the screen but I thought mid vid would be funnier

[balmy condor]

0 p2w

we play reboot

it's similar to SSF poe, no trade, in-account trading (only resources, not gear)

you can buy a bunch of stuff for meso that you normally wouldn't be able to

[warm vortex]

I don’t think I’ve had maple syrup

Actually

Maybe once

[spice surge]

Maplestory pitch or bleed build pitch, thats all he does now, pick one

[warm vortex]

I’m you guys don’t mean maple syrup

But it made me think

[radiant raven]

It's nice. Very distinct taste

[warm vortex]

I think I’ve had it with pancakes but yknow

[stuck knoll]

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-por-que-no-gif-23322568

[spice surge]

[warm vortex]

[cunning needle]

bleed build pitch in maple story

[balmy condor]

I'm a two-dimensional character

[golden loom]

💣

[balmy condor]

theres...........

wait there's no bleed build in maplestory

[arctic onyx]

lmao 25m sudden demise

[red schooner]

dead game

[balmy condor]

we got dashing crackhead chakram sand thief

we got street fighter: the class

we got world of warcraft fire mage with poisons

we got a fucking dude that combos with his dragon

but no bleeds

that's crazy

[golden loom]

caustic spatter?

[radiant raven]

Do you have a guy who has a really really big sword

[snow hamlet]

[balmy condor]

multiple

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah

[balmy condor]

well

we have dragon guy with big sword

we have big guy with spear

[radiant raven]

How big are we talking

[balmy condor]

and we have big dude with big axe

[warm vortex]

It’s so funny
I’m looking for a shitpost image and I just see Whispyr moments

[radiant raven]

We talking greatsword in WoW, Guts sword, or comically big sword

[balmy condor]

moment

[radiant raven]

hell yeah, that's sick

[balmy condor]

the other one would be uh

and then spear dude

[radiant raven]

Yeah, those are exceptionally over the top and I love them all

[balmy condor]

those are also 6 min cooldowns

[radiant raven]

The second one really nails the "your the big sword guy"

[balmy condor]

6 min cooldowns that do like 15-20% of your overall damage and stun the boss for 10 seconds and you're immune through the entire cutscene

they hit like an absolute fucking freight train

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah

[warm vortex]

Whispyr

Can you explain this please

????

Tf you doing

[balmy condor]

yeh nice try

the "spoiler" text

is slightly grainy

that's not a real spoiler

that's bait

[radiant raven]

I clicked it, I got baited

[earnest remnant]

its the playing of bm hunter that has lowered the IQ of ven

unfortunate

[cunning needle]

same braincell gang gang

[balmy condor]

oh we also have just a straight up samurai

[radiant raven]

How many petals appear on their big hit attack

[balmy condor]

forgot about him

[subtle tundra]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[radiant raven]

Dude cut the moon in half

[balmy condor]

idk why the frame rate on that sucks

[balmy condor]

my main has a 3 min cd that cracks the sun in half

[balmy condor]

and this dude has a 20 second cd iframe that cuts the screen in half

[radiant raven]

I appreiciate how over the top it goes.

[warm vortex]

Reminds me of terraria calamity shit

[balmy condor]

(you can turn down skill effects so it isn't aids like that)

[earnest remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q3vDyH3yNMQ
this is how you cut it

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-dog-the-situation-im-in-rn-gif-12202597808913004719

[radiant raven]

Not over the top enough imo

[cunning needle]

which class this?

[balmy condor]

hero

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

explorer warrior

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-ark-striker-hyper-awakening-tiger-gif-1067040490543471757

[balmy condor]

I guess pre big bang it would've been fighter

or crusader?

[radiant raven]

now that is wonderfuly over the top, 10/10

Seeing a tiger and getting so angry that you can't pet it that you slam the ground with the impact of a meteror.

[balmy condor]

my main is pretty over the top

[white lance]

Im around here so you can just dm if you need help

[balmy condor]

I just summon a fucking galaxy

this one isn't crazy

but I think it's just super gorgeous

[warm vortex]

Just like you tbf

[balmy condor]

like that is just

really pretty

[radiant raven]

Summoning a nice, sunny day to upset the boss.

It's cool

[balmy condor]

you play league of legends?

we have irelia at home

[cunning needle]

if a sunny day can upset me, it can upset a boss

[normal mist]

these look fucking amazing, then its just maple

[balmy condor]

wish.com irelia

[radiant raven]

haha

[balmy condor]

maplestory cutscenes frankly have no reason to go so hard

[normal mist]

right?!

[marble hemlock]

hey

[normal mist]

Its like those mobile games where the advertisment has NOTHING to do with the game

[marble hemlock]

thats the one i played isnt it

[cunning needle]

feels like im watching a noble phantasm in FGO

[balmy condor]

idk which one you played

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=cwIzyn8yXSg

but like

[marble hemlock]

adele

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

yes that's adele

[marble hemlock]

i remember the swords

was fun

[radiant raven]

Some real passion to make cool, over-the-top anime stuff. That rules

[odd creek]

You only accept DMs from friends

[marble hemlock]

think if i had picked up the game after i started my gacha arc

i wouldve stuck with it longer

im now a man who does dailies in multiple games every day

[radiant raven]

Wait, is Maplestory a gacha-esque thing?

[marble hemlock]

no

but you kinda wanna log in daily

to do a bunch of shit

[radiant raven]

Ah, got'cha.

[balmy condor]

it's a giga grind korean mmo

[normal mist]

is maplestory on steam?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cunning needle]

it still has the gachapon doesnt it?

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, but that's all cosmetics

[cunning needle]

gotta have my 2d pixels looking pretty

[balmy condor]

I just get my shit from events for the most part

[balmy condor]

yeah that was my original main

drip goes crazy

[normal mist]

Thats next level tmog game

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

how many characters do you have actually?

[balmy condor]

that's a much more complicated question than you think it is

what counts as a character

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

like characters that I just HAVE?

characters that I log into every week?

characters at a certain level?

[normal mist]

Okay the ones you currently log in daily/weekly for stuff

[balmy condor]

right now 16

[radiant raven]

Which is your favourite?

[normal mist]

how long does each character takes you?

[balmy condor]

so I have 3 characters that do dailies

my main + 2 event leveling characters

aside from my main, the other 15 characters are mules

their only purpose in life is to log in once a week, stomp like 10-12 bosses in 15-20 minutes

sell all the shit for money

put the money in storage

and then log out

maplestory as a whole is very account-wide system heavy

you get permanent account wide bonuses for having certain characters at certain levels

having a total level of X across your account

etc

so like 16 characters sounds insane