assassination

[timber meadow]

sick

should I be trying to like actively get more ruptures/garrotes out than I would in hybrid? idk if it's worth optimizing for a big SD number over splatter

[earnest flume]

would it be foolish to replace tiny toxic with SBS in bleed build for QOL? feel like im taking for ever to get my bleeds up, maybe skill issue

[sacred schooner]

not taking sbs in bleed kinda feels not right as it bleed as well

[balmy condor]

Not really, but you can be way more aggressive about it, rupture for a sudden demise should do more than an envenom technically

[limber lion]

I just ditch Kingsbane and take SBS instead

[spice spire]

Oh god

[balmy condor]

Idk what you’re playing but we already take bone spike and we don’t take tiny toxic

[limber lion]

:)

[earnest flume]

must have old talent build then

thank you!

[uneven plume]

Id take Forced Induction for M+

[uneven plume]

it just feels too good @balmy condor

[sacred schooner]

this one right?

[haughty flicker]

that do be bleed

[balmy condor]

Not this shit again man

[coral ibex]

what aspect of FI feels good in m+

specifically

[spice surge]

Imp ambush over tight spenders

[uneven plume]

[coral ibex]

is this a bit

[golden loom]

this chat is for sure going in circles

[sacred schooner]

at least we are alive

mostly class disc super dead

[balmy condor]

I was talking to a brick wall on stream last night and now he’s back with the same stupid take

[sacred schooner]

except dk, pally and prolly hunter

[coral ibex]

damn

stay bricked brother

[spice surge]

Time for another !richard except for m+ builds

[humble verge]

ye but, prio is literally just giga dps

[haughty flicker]

!casual

[humble verge]

in the 13 i did i had like 4,2m at the end with hybrid

[golden loom]

ye I know

[timber meadow]

i assume it matters how big the pull is to some extent?

[humble verge]

idk

[dapper cradle]

guys is bleed build viable in my weekly vault keys asking for a friend

[fallow canopy]

!bleedst coming soon ™️

[haughty flicker]

no

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s just hard to tell for sure cause it’s so volatile

[haughty flicker]

bleed is terrible

[dapper cradle]

alright thanks I'll tell my friend the bad news

[haughty flicker]

what do i drop to take shadowheart

leech in stealth seems pretty good no?

[dapper cradle]

leech

[versed gulch]

Definitely. Just stack the bleeds and vanish and leech your way back to full

[golden loom]

vanish for the demise pop and heal to 10 billion overheal

[balmy condor]

Did you know that shadowheart doesn’t work with subterfuge

[haughty flicker]

i did yes

but ambush got buffed

[balmy condor]

Very good talent

[haughty flicker]

so i press ambush in stealth'

for the leech

[sacred schooner]

kek time

[balmy condor]

Yeah ambush buff is literally a 40% buff to shadowheart

Crazy

[spice surge]

I love talents that could use a 10x buff and still be bad

[sonic schooner]

eleem

i did some bleedy buildy today

[spice surge]

Final intent is great at this too

[sonic schooner]

shit is way better than it looks, fk kb now

[sacred schooner]

lets buff shadowrunner

20% is not enough

[spice surge]

We got another one

[balmy condor]

Dead talent and still better than fatebound

[spice surge]

Demisemaxxing 📈

Just have to drop the notious that KB is a key cooldown

[versed gulch]

That took my brain way too long to figure out.

[timber meadow]

yeah this was the big thing for me, too stuck in the past thinking kb is sick. Def trying it out

[stuck knoll]

🪙

[sonic schooner]

if we want AP in raid we get rid of ttb right?

[royal lantern]

huh

[sonic schooner]

just double checking in here

[timber meadow]

you have any logs of decent keys playing bleed?

[sonic schooner]

i dont log anymore at all

so nah

[golden loom]

tiny toxic on Lockenstock, AP on every other fight

[timber meadow]

been tryna get some but my 15 prioriy got depleted in 15s cause tank scuffed first pull and perma rejection since LOL

[sonic schooner]

that s what i wanted to know

[raven hill]

😂 I've got to be the worst assassin rogue I've ever seen. Bout to just call it a day and go back to outlaw. My brain struggles opening with garrotes, like what mechanic am I missing how are we applying death mark if we aren't opening with ambush.

[balmy condor]

We are opening with ambush

[vast shuttle]

can u do a macro so i use trinket as same time as dm?

[timber meadow]

in practice i open with garrote a lot in aoe but thats just cause often the mob i wanna ambush isn't in the pull yet

[sacred schooner]

yes

[raven hill]

Maybe mobs are dying too fast but I don't feel like I'm getting any value out of caustic spatter with me trying to manage garrote/rupture on so many targets instead of ambushing a target.

[balmy condor]

/cast deathmark
/use 13

[haughty flicker]

/use 14 gamers

[vast shuttle]

omg ty haha so annyoing too do it 2 things as same time

[balmy condor]

Okay but you do ambush you gotta get your mark

[raven hill]

But improved garrote?

[cerulean walrus]

Just make sure that it correlates to what slot the on use is in

[sacred schooner]

you need to ambush once to get dn

[balmy condor]

It’s 6 seconds, 12 with subterfuge

[coral ibex]

(you also technically have 6 seconds to ambush with subterfuge)

[balmy condor]

Ye

[vague raft]

why is my sim spending at 4 combo points in CDs. is this normally?

[coral ibex]

just remember to do it

you gotta

[golden loom]

well technically 5 seconds

[coral ibex]

no mark is literally trolling

[balmy condor]

Link the sim

[golden loom]

cause if ur first global is something else

[vague raft]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x59Dd5aUYZWefyuuu85Z1a/simc

[raven hill]

Ahhhhhhhhhh so that's why sims show ambush coming out in the 6 second window.

[real sinew]

how big is saving tea charges for DM / raw shiv?

[haughty flicker]

last night i accidentally opened on gally with garrote

[sacred schooner]

you run sc

[timber meadow]

just garrote twice, rupture twice, ambush, mut, ct - send cd's .. even in keys where stuff dies fast you should be chiln - can vanish in there too if youw ant

[haughty flicker]

then pressed vanish and stance delay made me use mut instead of ambush

[balmy condor]

It has Supercharger

[haughty flicker]

so no mark for 2m

gg

[coral ibex]

more than once on stix prog that fat fucker parried my opening ambush

[vague raft]

oh wtf you play around that? had no idea lmao

[golden loom]

I mean just ambush first global, way easier idk

[balmy condor]

No, you don’t

[raven hill]

So let me clarify can I ambush first then spread improved garrotes?

[coral ibex]

yes

[sacred schooner]

nah you ignore it, sim is cooking

always 5cp and 7 for dn

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s not cooking

It’s just ignoring it

Its just how it evaluates combo points includes supercharged cp

[raven hill]

Do those improved garrotes after ambush still spread iron wire? So basically I'm considered stealthed for 6 seconds in general.

[balmy condor]

Yes

[sacred schooner]

yrs

[coral ibex]

you can spread iron wire for 12 seconds

[sacred schooner]

yes*

[coral ibex]

with subterfuge

[peak bobcat]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vague raft]

so this is like a limitation of the sim?

[sacred schooner]

you should read whispyr guid on wowhead

[balmy condor]

No it’s not a limitation it’s just the baseline behavior

[sacred schooner]

there is plenty of info on most questions

[raven hill]

Y'all rock... I was struggling so much wrapping my mind around the aoe portion.

[sacred schooner]

even rotation :0

he did an insane job to explain stuff

[coral ibex]

you can also just send all of those garrotes into the same target

its fine

[balmy condor]

I could add logic to make it “not play around supercharger” and force it to go to 5 and go to 7

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

But I would have to force it to do that

[young pebble]

WoW says "Cast Shiv before Kingsbane if you have two charges, making sure you always have a charge for the last eight seconds of Kingsbane"

The typical M+ build forgoes the double shiv talent, so in this build do I still cast Shiv before Kingsbane or do I delay it so the Shiv window overlaps the last 8 seconds of Kings?

[coral ibex]

making sure you always have a charge for the last eight seconds of Kingsbane

[sacred schooner]

delay for last 8s

[gleaming bough]

what build you guys running for keys 10 and under

[sacred schooner]

initial hit is mem in pve

[gleaming bough]

bleed build?

[sacred schooner]

only worth in pvp

[cerulean walrus]

Bleed all the way

[gleaming bough]

Any variation from the wowhead one?

[cerulean walrus]

Even well past +10

[sacred schooner]

change ma for iron wire and so far thats it

[timber meadow]

100% bleed... even if you are a firm KB believer, you wouldn't play it in under 10

[vague raft]

is it still a gain to send DN over refreshing rupture?

[sacred schooner]

i cant even get full kb in 12 below 10 just forget

;x

[raven hill]

This just blew my mind 😂 so can literally just open ambush garrote garrote rupture rupture and chill until I get the hang of it. I mean I target swap a lot for lightning rod on my ele 3200 so I'm not foreign to swapping but this assassin was struggling. This will help.

[haughty flicker]

ive got dn for you to send right here

[sacred schooner]

kb just become bad 😦

[coral ibex]

i'm pretty sure keeping your DN cycling as fast as possible is always best

[gusty mirage]

Promise?

[sacred schooner]

like i cant fully believe our "core" talent become bad

[coral ibex]

you shouldn't have to drop rupture to refresh DN

just refresh rupture one finisher earlier

to consume ur 3rd mark

that should always be in pandemic

[golden loom]

and even if its not in pandemic

[vague raft]

but it's not in pandemic, or it is but you drop envenom buff

[golden loom]

just refresh it at like 12 seconds whatever

[vague raft]

kk

[sacred schooner]

we need rework lol ;x move kb into skills and give us new talent

[sonic schooner]

intresting vexxie log

[coral ibex]

why would you be refreshing outside pandemic then?

im confused at this question now

i thought you were talking like "refresh pandemic rupture or 7cp DN envenom"

[sonic schooner]

what is that 1mn dm cd

[timber meadow]

yeah rupture dmg from the extra bleeds is wtvr - you just wanna spread to energy saturation/scent cap - beyond that is kinda wtvr just feel it out ig

[vague raft]

I am

[golden loom]

its some log splicing thing

[haughty flicker]

yeah the log is cursed

[coral ibex]

so pandemic on a 5+ cp rupture is like 7 seconds

[sonic schooner]

yea i guess

[golden loom]

hes not casting it in reality

its just logs cut together

[coral ibex]

there's no way it takes 7 seconds to go from consuming DN to refreshing rupture

in AOE

[sonic schooner]

that s fun

[vague raft]

I was talking about ST

i don't do keys as sin

I have a soul

[golden loom]

like u can see garrote silence there, he has spliced a dungeon log together with the vexie log

[grim jay]

look at the log and what he dealt dmg to

[balmy condor]

No shot lorrgs STILL has that log

[sonic schooner]

yea i figured it

still the #1 vexxie hero

[balmy condor]

What a dogshit website Jesus

Well yeah

On lorrgs

On warcraftlogs that log got banned legit weeks ago

[hollow river]

not a thing afaik

[sacred schooner]

haha

what a scam

so he merge flood into first boss?

how is it even possible

[vast shuttle]

anyone knows why its so fking hard do get into flood +7 lobby its crazy need to wait atleast 30min to get into one wtf is sin so bad?

[coral ibex]

rogue isn't meta

idk what to tell you

welcome to decline simulator

[spice surge]

You just manually edit the log file

But its like, wcl removes those almost instantly

Its just lorrgs that doesnt

No sin actually really really good

[vast shuttle]

im gonna rage fking hell i have 556 ilvl aswell 2k rating almost always top dps fking idiots

[runic inlet]

Sin is amazing in keys

[spice surge]

But people in the top keys are playing mage+boomy+uhdk so its unfeasible to play with anything but those

[runic inlet]

Only key I like sub is theater and workshop

Maybe rookery too

[vast shuttle]

we are talking +7

its not even hard ffs

[silk whale]

srry to bother, does anyone have a weak aura group where it also shows rupture/garrote on nearby mobs? ty

[coral ibex]

that's not relevant information to track

just need scent stacks

[vague raft]

okay, maybe I'm just stupid and made a mistake, but within two globals I have to refresh shiv during DM window. at 4 CP, generate to 7, do I send the envenom, or refresh the shiv when at 7 CP and waste the 1 CP gain. I'm assuming send shiv anyway

[sharp crest]

Hey my doods, you guys know of any good WA's for bleeds? I have some decent visual WA's but ive been looking for something for rupture for example, i just want the WA to play an audio sound when rupture is about to fall off, i cant find anything to cover that and i suck at making WA's

[vague raft]

is this a symptom of a problem before? or just sometimes happens?

[haughty flicker]

idk man i just press shit

[runic hinge]

shiv combo point doesnt matter

[vague raft]

so send that shiv when it expires no matter your CP amount?

[coral ibex]

yes

[vague raft]

kk

[runic hinge]

yeah you want shiv to cover kb

[coral ibex]

you even shiv at 7cp if it is the right time

[vague raft]

also, going into KB windows, how important is it to have envenom buff going into it

[runic hinge]

very

[vague raft]

I heard you want to have envenom buff before pressing KB

[coral ibex]

correct

[vague raft]

why is that?

[haughty flicker]

envenom buffs poison application chance

[vague raft]

does it not like dynamically give you the buff>?

[haughty flicker]

kingsbane scales based on poison applications

[coral ibex]

why wouldn't you want 100% coverage of increased poison application chance, each instance of which increases your kb stack

the faster you get to max kb stacks the more damage it does

[hexed pumice]

damn just played one key on +12 and the bleed does feel nicer

[haughty flicker]

envenom first ensures you dont miss 1-2 globals worth of the buff

[vague raft]

so going KB > Enveom is like significantly worse than going Envenom > KB? what if I have no energy, envenom buff just expired, and KB just came off CD?

[haughty flicker]

and its not like you're doing anything else

[vague raft]

delay until I can envenom? or just send and be depressed?

[haughty flicker]

just dont have that happen

[coral ibex]

i would classify this as a misplay as the only relevant pooling use is before a kingsbane

hold your envenom and pool to 150 then send envenom -> kb

[limber lion]

No, but you just don't let that happen ever

If KB is off cd, you just press it unless you know timings better

And know that holding won't cause a lost cast

[vague raft]

idk, it feels like there are weird times where I have to refresh rupture right before a KB window, so I have to spend all my energy getting a rupture off when I'm already running low, envenom runs out, then I don't have envenom for the KB just came off

[limber lion]

You just gotta play it better

And pay more attention

[vague raft]

where is the mistake though

[haughty flicker]

start watching your energy earlier

[sacred schooner]

just pool energy

[limber lion]

You not thinking about it 10s in advance

[coral ibex]

not seeing 30s into the future tbh

[sacred schooner]

wait a bit

[limber lion]

That's the mistake

You should be aware that KB is coming up and see that your Rupture is about to run out

And then playing accordingly

[sacred schooner]

it is inevitable

[spice surge]

Ruptures pandemic window is enormous

[limber lion]

It gets easier the more you play

[coral ibex]

the spec spins plates which requires prediction and anticipation

[limber lion]

It is massive yeah

[spice surge]

Its 10.5 seconds

[vague raft]

so should I have just refreshed rupture outside of pandemic? and then pooled before KB, sent the enveom then bang?

[sacred schooner]

eventually we will run out of energy on st

[limber lion]

Like you can honestly send a Rupture at like 12s and be chilling

[golden loom]

I think people make the mistake of only refreshing rupture at like 5 or 6 seconds

[dapper cradle]

i refresh rupture at 20 seconds

[golden loom]

if I see its at 14 seconds and I wanna do stuff

[vague raft]

yeah, I think that's probably my issue

[golden loom]

I just ruptuyre

[spice surge]

You can refresh rupture at 1s, or at 10s

[vague raft]

refreshing rupture late

[coral ibex]

refreshing rupture earlier has largely solved this problem for me yea

[limber lion]

The pandemic is so large that even if you do it inside the pandemic, you have 10s left to think about what to do next

And you can surely build up to 5+ cp and use Envenom once in that time

[vague raft]

yeah, think it's just me waiting until like below 6s like Sub lmao

and then going oh fuck I can't envenom for KB

[limber lion]

Just get good weakauras that glow up when they're in pandemic

[vague raft]

i gotta go payphone and just vibe honestly

[limber lion]

So you don't have to think about the timings whatsoever

If it glows, press Rup

Very chill

[golden loom]

but also, as long as you press envenom then next global kingsbane, u dont really need to do more

all ur kingsbane ramping is autoattacks

so even if ur super energy drained its not the end of the world

[limber lion]

Well, not really but yeah

You don't need to pay extra attention

It's fine to reapply GarryD's and Ruppies during KB

[vague raft]

I actually have a question about pandemic in general that I don't know the answer to. it's based on the duration of the spell cast, so 5 CP has a smaller pandemic window than 7, yeah?

[limber lion]

Yes

It's 30% of the applied duration

So if you apply a 24s Rupture with 5cp

The pandemic is 7.2s

[young pebble]

Envenom before KB is in order to maximize poison applications to more quickly ramp up KB damage, yes?

[limber lion]

Yes

[vague raft]

I don't have to worry about snapshotting a strong garrote or whatever anymore right?

[spice surge]

The absolute vast majority of your poison applications for kb are from your melee auto attacks

[vague raft]

that was bc talent?

not overwriting a strong garrote or something

[coral ibex]

you can over-write an improved garrote with a standard, don't do that

[vague raft]

yeah

[limber lion]

There's some rules for it if you play Improved Garrote, but nothing that you need to really think about

Especially because in the raid build you don't even play IG

[coral ibex]

make sure your weakaura distinguishes between them

[vague raft]

yeah, I only play Sin on Mug'zee, so I don't run that

[slim copper]

we're fucking cookin now boys

thats no flask and before trinket

[haughty flicker]

wheres your speed at buddy

[slim copper]

lol

[vague raft]

am I sending 3min KB before or after cages on Mug'zee

I got a chat GPT ass answer

and a glorp alien saying "idk i just hit buttons" last night

seems like there are gamers here now

[slim copper]

and youll get it again if you dont calm the fuck down and put some respect on Chad's name

[haughty flicker]

the answer is unironically hit buttons

[vague raft]

KB really don't matter anymore?

thought that was like all your dam

[mighty vine]

copy lorrgs timeline top parse into MRT and turn brain off. smile

[golden loom]

I mean if we are talking about mythic mugzee

[vague raft]

yes

[golden loom]

there arent a lot of ppl with experience here I think

[haughty flicker]

on mythic mugzee sin is there to do damage for the last 40% of the boss

[golden loom]

I think what Varas wrote earlier is probably best to follow

[devout fiber]

Is this the talent tree to play for high keys?

or do we stick with bleed?

+9's and above

[young pebble]

Wait is this a legit thing I can do. I've never done it before but if I can stand on shoulders of giants in this way... that sounds like tech

[vague raft]

i mean, yeah but like, what's the play lmao

[slim copper]

kind dangerous imo on most fights because your groups dps might be slower than the log you're copying, so certain phases wont line up with the mrt schedule lol

[placid mist]

As soon as it comes up

Desynching kb and dm fucks your burst window

[haughty flicker]

take your pick

[vague raft]

lmao

that's what I was kinda expecting

[devout fiber]

any answers?

[placid mist]

So no need to worry about when you send solo kb

[haughty flicker]

you are holding damage anyway on mugzee

the cds that matter are the ones at the end of the fight

[placid mist]

^

[vague raft]

think it's just a send before cages angle, greed dam and step to far cage

thanks

[golden loom]

are u going into cage?

[vague raft]

yes

[golden loom]

[haughty flicker]

race change to velf

gg

[vague raft]

i am

I plan on velfing it

but i still wanna know if I wanna send before or after lmao

[haughty flicker]

wait well then whats the issue here

just shadowstep into soak last sec velf out

and continue as normal

[vague raft]

so start KB before, run into cage and velf out? then continue?

or just hold until after velf

was my question basically

[haughty flicker]

i think it genuinely matters so little you can do whichever one is more comfortable for you

[vague raft]

it kinda does matter though, because you push at like 5min on the dot

[haughty flicker]

what logs we do have are basically all using it the instant its off cd

[vague raft]

cages end at 3:20

err, you can velf out at 3:20

4:20 for next KB, then it's 20s off for the 5min burn

[hearty reef]

[vague raft]

or you just lose a cast at 4:20

[golden loom]

then u would surely send as it comes up

[vague raft]

I think it's a send a slightly scuffed one at 3min on the dot

[vague raft]

to get the better one at 4

[haughty flicker]

some skip 4m some dont

probably depends on how your raid is doing specifically

[vague raft]

think it's a send slightly scuffed insta 3min angle

ty everyone

[golden loom]

just remember that the lingering darkness envenom does more than the lone KB

so its not that crazy

[haughty flicker]

envenom the spec

gg

[vague raft]

i don't even know how sin gets lingering darkness 🙂

[haughty flicker]

after deathmark

[golden loom]

after deathmark

[vague raft]

after DM?

[golden loom]

u have 30 seconds of lingering

[vague raft]

that 30s window of envenoms is more dam than the KB?

[haughty flicker]

the single dry shiv envenom at the end is more dam than kb

[golden loom]

no but shiving for a darkest night during lingering is

[manic quartz]

Got 33mil envenom on vex dmg amp

[coral ibex]

kb without dm is kind of ass

[vague raft]

wait, you're telling me you like cycle a natty shiv at like 40s?

[golden loom]

yes

u only shiv once for the solo KB

[vague raft]

then KB, shiv last portion

lmao

i had no idea

[haughty flicker]

ye

near the end of lingering darkness both shiv and dn will normally come up

[golden loom]

(if it doesnt line up though which can happen rarely, then u save it and shiv twice for KB)

[haughty flicker]

so you use shiv there instead of start of solo kbs

[vague raft]

hmmmm

[haughty flicker]

and then you get dopamine

[vague raft]

think I'm just gonna do the old faithful and shiv 2x every KB lmao

i am not comfortable enough on this spec

lmao

[golden loom]

yeah I mean its a minmax for sure

[vague raft]

bro why can't you do hero talent and multiple spec load in WA's btw

[static glacier]

Completely fine tbh

[haughty flicker]

its not a huge difference ye

and if kb would spatter adds when the dn envenom wouldnt it could even be better to use shiv for kb

[static glacier]

Some fights if the kb shivs align better with aoe ill prefer avoiding the dry shiv

Minmax

[vague raft]

think on Mug'zee it's probably better to 2x shiv

at least for the 1min KB

since cages

could be wrong

[golden loom]

on some fights it lines up though that you get adds and shiv darkest night at the same time

where its EXTRA dopamine

[haughty flicker]

most logs are doing the dn shiv but with a sample size of 18 that doesnt really tell us much

lmao

[balmy condor]

the shiv doesn't reach

[haughty flicker]

oh yeah true

shiv cant go through the gaols

so it doesnt help

[balmy condor]

yeh

[haughty flicker]

wait so ttb is the play on mugzee for sure instead of ap right

not that it matters much either way

[golden loom]

surely you want the bleed dam from AP for burn

[balmy condor]

probably AP just for execute

[haughty flicker]

fair

i didnt think about that but ye it would do more execute huh

[vague raft]

oh does spatter only do big dam if Shiv is on them or something?

i have no idea how spatter works

[balmy condor]

works like blade flurry

[golden loom]

shiv makes the target affected take more nature damage, you arent doing more damage so the cleave damage going out doesnt change

unless of course the targets taking spatter damage ALSO are shived from AoE shiv

[balmy condor]

also true for any damage amps and stuff

[haughty flicker]

works the same way with ghostly strike and bf ye

[balmy condor]

all target-based modifiers only work on the target receiving spatter

[vague raft]

oh really? I actually didn't know that

[balmy condor]

so if you deal more damage, more spatter

if they take more damage, not more spatter

[vague raft]

i figured it would just take a portion of the damage dealt to main target and go to everyone

so if main target is shiv'd everyone is shiv'd

if that makes sense

[balmy condor]

would be nice, yes

[vague raft]

but then I guess AoE shiv wouldn't be a thing lmao

[balmy condor]

but also would open up an insane can of worms

[vague raft]

yeah

[balmy condor]

the example I always like to give is say you have 2 targets that both take 100% more damage

like if the intermission on carnage, they took 100% increased

if it works the way you thought it did, you would deal more damage to the target you're not hitting

[vague raft]

yeah if it worked my way, the bosses would blow up lmao

[haughty flicker]

funnily enough i think this is a thing with outlaw for different reasons

[golden loom]

target swapping to Hyenas on stix to spatter boss

[haughty flicker]

with pc and some other shit in 2t the off target takes more damage

[balmy condor]

it's precisely equal unless I'm missing a bug

[haughty flicker]

idk much about it i was just reading them talk about it

[balmy condor]

but that pc 2t thing was something that was talked about

with people

[haughty flicker]

i try to avoid outlaw in general but soemtimes they do funny things

[vague raft]

hmmm, how do I hit a dummy and test my damage vs sim. dummy goes into execute range

is there a giga dummy somewhere?

[waxen oyster]

So wait what does arterial do

[haughty flicker]

it turns shiv into chain lightning

[golden loom]

aoe shivs and makes bleeds also do more damage @waxen oyster

[waxen oyster]

but the poison dam increase doesnt spatter gain

i guess

[golden loom]

well it does

cause the targets getting spattered take more nature damage by being shived

[haughty flicker]

the things getting hit with the lightning shiv all take more nature damage

so they take more spatter damage

[vague raft]

it's crazy to me that TTB and AP are the same in damageon Mug'zee or something. just reading them you would think AP is better since Sin is bleed spec, but apparently not?

[waxen oyster]

i thought it was only main spatter target took more

[vague raft]

like Shiv damage is beans, no?

[waxen oyster]

thus anything near got hit harder as a result

[golden loom]

well TTB is also a minor energy save

[golden loom]

well as discussed above, the target taking more damage doesnt make the spatter of it more

[balmy condor]

well not anymore

[haughty flicker]

wtf

i mean it was weird it worked that way to begin with

[balmy condor]

we basically take 0 bleed talents in the raid spec

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, funny bug

[golden loom]

but when adds are out -> you shiv with arterial -> they get hit with shiv -> you now have a max of 8 targets taking 30% more nature damage -> spatter damage is increased because it hits targets taking more nature damage @waxen oyster

[waxen oyster]

envenom the spec

[haughty flicker]

envenom the spec

at least its ct the spec in bleed

[waxen oyster]

oh so baseline shiv nature increase

[golden loom]

if you have shived the boss before adds are out though, you have 1 target taking 30% more and 7 targets taking normal damage -> the spatter does not do more

[waxen oyster]

doesnt buff spatter splashing

[haughty flicker]

ye

[waxen oyster]

in other words

been playing around something that doesnt exist in raid

[haughty flicker]

[golden loom]

wait what do you mean it doesnt exist in raid?

[waxen oyster]

prior to patch assumed

the main spatter target taking more during shiv

would also spatter harder

onto everything else

[golden loom]

well we always played arterial

[waxen oyster]

not in hybrid

[haughty flicker]

hybrid in raid based

[golden loom]

meow

[waxen oyster]

well not in raid but more like

[balmy condor]

meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow

[waxen oyster]

if add didnt spawn yet

[balmy condor]

GRRR WOOF

BARK BARK BARK

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

whispyr can i make a no dm bleed build

how int would that be

[golden loom]

good night

[balmy condor]

you can make whatever the hell you want buddy the world is your oyster

[haughty flicker]

no dm no kb

wait

[golden loom]

im gonna wake up tomorrow and play 16 hours of classic wow

[haughty flicker]

bleed can drop dm to get iw

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

Bad day for numbers

Bel woke up

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[haughty flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8prvjoP3fCBqdFRbfXw7mN

looks good to me

[balmy condor]

Slightly worse

[haughty flicker]

we take 13%

now to see st

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

I wonder if it’s using shiv in single target

[timber meadow]

aight bleed build 100% felt better in priory

[haughty flicker]

-23% in st we take it

[golden loom]

@haughty flicker got a build for your title push

[balmy condor]

Twice in 5 minutes in fact

Neat

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s not casting shiv

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[timber meadow]

was a key level higher so might be similar but did like 500k more than my 13 in 14 with a similarly clean run

[balmy condor]

There’s no condition for non-deathmark

[haughty flicker]

turns out the sim does goofy things when you dont have your main cd

[balmy condor]

Yeah my bad gang

Didn’t optimize for that

[neon lodge]

Whispyr what's the blue bar that appears on the envenom bar?

[balmy condor]

Pandemic

[golden loom]

I spent like 2 min making that build (2 min I will never get back)

[timber meadow]

although iono sudden demise itself didn't seem omega despite the build itself feeling like it was cranking more

[neon lodge]

Should i wait to that bar?

[balmy condor]

No

[haughty flicker]

no blindside so im not playing it

[balmy condor]

You can turn off your envenom tracker

[timber meadow]

was tryna be more aggressive about ruptures but maybe just failed

[neon lodge]

Okay, thanks

[golden loom]

that would have given the improved ambush too much value

[haughty flicker]

just take tight spender instead

[golden loom]

Inevitable end without coldblood is the real damage gain though

idk if that is even possible ingame

[haughty flicker]

ok but like

what if i actually do my weekly 10s dropping dm for iw

[timber meadow]

my prio on knight was bigly though (or pugs just suck more tham me but it felt solid)

[vague raft]

i hate exploiters, 6 people in an M+ group

this is getting out of hand

[timber meadow]

also top prio on captain

[haughty flicker]

i assume not having a cd makes signet lose value

maybe i replace it with magnet

wait but no lingering darkness

[timber meadow]

shiat this seems good

[vague raft]

bro also, why the fuck is my bootleg DN in lingering doing 14M

[haughty flicker]

symbolic victory time

[golden loom]

omg u get to take symbolic victory!

[vague raft]

sub sectech is like 15M

[haughty flicker]

i wonder

does fatebound lose less than deathstalker for not having dm

because of lingering

and is it enough to matter

[dapper cradle]

[golden loom]

I mean fatebound loses edge case

[waxen oyster]

i find it weird

how pvpers dont play lingering

[devout fiber]

@frosty reef

[timber meadow]

pure st boss still ass but hey at least were better than boomies xD

[devout fiber]

@balmy condor

[haughty flicker]

dont ping whispyr i dont want him to see the shit im saying

[runic hinge]

im not even playing DS

[devout fiber]

Is this the talent tree to play for high keys?

or do we stick with bleed?

[golden loom]

bleed baby bleed

[waxen oyster]

9 key

high

[devout fiber]

ok so only bleed then?

[haughty flicker]

im cooking a new high key build dw

[timber meadow]

although iono might have been more eye doing work than the build

hmm lol

[haughty flicker]

i'll let you know when its ready

[timber meadow]

thats some nice tanking tbh

[golden loom]

ye

good build

good dam

easy and fun

👍

[waxen oyster]

alternatively

you can swap a talent out for ttk and pretend doing 1.31m dps instead of 1.3m dps is a huge st gain

[thorn thorn]

0.4% gain in ST

[haughty flicker]

ok the sim loves mister lock n stalk instead of priory

when you dont have dm

[thorn thorn]

Are you running a no DM build

[haughty flicker]

yeah i dropped dm for iw

[golden loom]

Can you sim my fatebound build also pls

[haughty flicker]

needed the survivability

[thorn thorn]

But why

[golden loom]

I wanna see -300%

[haughty flicker]

gib import code

im too lazy to put that in manually

[runic hinge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cfFmExSazJKGjHSVDDE2zH

Here's 5 combo point rogue

[golden loom]

Idk im on my phone

[haughty flicker]

full raid buffs

gg

[waxen oyster]

should have put a no dm build

on wowhead for april fools

[runic hinge]

oopsie

[haughty flicker]

what are the best damage trinkets

ik they all suck but

[golden loom]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwMjhZmZWmBAAAAAgZZwyAAAAAAgWWmZmxwYYYbWGDzMmxMjxYmlltZmhBGYBmxoxsBy2A2MA @haughty flicker

[haughty flicker]

comparatively

[runic hinge]

What is outlaw using

[haughty flicker]

idk i avoid them

[runic hinge]

usually they go for damage trinkets

[haughty flicker]

ok the goon squad

[waxen oyster]

goon hotline

[haughty flicker]

actually might be goated for this

[haughty flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5SJfErNoeevDM5wAvCKTdt

[thorn thorn]

Are you tryna get title with no DM or something

[haughty flicker]

going to rerun without the actual raid build bc the sim did not like the rest of them lmao

[twin bay]

why isnt the shiv macro working for me? x) im sure it worked before

[golden loom]

Holy damage

[haughty flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbFGSUQACcKiYrt33uV4FH

you cooked king

[balmy condor]

That one casts shiv

[golden loom]

I might just have to parse hunt with that tomorrow

[haughty flicker]

wait yeah

why does that cooked shit cast shiv

but mine doesnt

[golden loom]

I mean it has to shiv for echoing reprimand value

[balmy condor]

The sims are a mysterious thing

[timber meadow]

@balmy condor so at first i thought the bleed build was just insane but then realized i was like at or near max eye stacks for like 20-22 minutes straight. we will try again but it did feel sick regardless. really good prio and felt pretty good when dm was down even

[haughty flicker]

oh good point

[balmy condor]

[late gulch]

what tier spot do we want off piece on ?

[haughty flicker]

do you think my lootcouncil will give me thug hotline because i need it to do keys without deathmark

[golden loom]

It only casted 1 kingsbane tho

Wait nvm

[balmy condor]

Either helm/chest generally

[twin bay]

thats the correct macro no?
it ddoesnt cast the tea and idk why pwease halp

[coral ibex]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[golden loom]

Wait yeah it only did cast 1 kingsbane

[coral ibex]

hm idk

[haughty flicker]

the test begins

[balmy condor]

Do you have old thistle tea somewhere

Bank or something

[twin bay]

oh

that could be the case

[golden loom]

The banked tea strikes again

How and why is that even a thing

[twin bay]

i never look in that cursed place tbh

[balmy condor]

Old thistle tea has a lower spell id

[golden loom]

Yeah but why does it try to cast it from your bank

[frank trench]

Wait isn’t hands off stats?

Hands and helm?

[balmy condor]

Haste/crit right

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-shrug-gif-meme-tiktok-you-burned-my-house-to-the-ground-gif-8697757548478715963

[balmy condor]

For fun idk

[twin bay]

xdd @balmy condor ty ily

[balmy condor]

Yeah throw all that shit away

[frank trench]

So dumb question. How the hell do you guys keep track of the deathstalker mark when you are tab garotting and rupturing

[balmy condor]

I don’t tab

[frank trench]

Do you just use a mouse over?

[twin bay]

mouseover and also the nameplate script for the mark

makes it alot easier

[late gulch]

thx 🙂 with bleed build, when do i use shiv as i dont use KB?

[golden loom]

Mouseover or just spam it on same target

[haughty flicker]

just send that shit into the same target and let ic take the wheel

[balmy condor]

2 in deathmark like normal, otherwise aoe after tempest

[late gulch]

ok thx 🙂

[haughty flicker]

what about without dm

[balmy condor]

Personally just recolor the plater and slam into the same target

[balmy condor]

On cooldown

[frank trench]

That makes that a lot easier

[haughty flicker]

actually i have signet still

time to shiv for signet

[golden loom]

Signet for demise

[haughty flicker]

i could use magnet but i assume the stats are still more valuable in aoe

since magnet is just st

with some piss cleave ig but still

why does a magnet do plague damage anyway

[golden loom]

Targets are 35% hp? Signet CT shiv vanish garrote garrote rupture rupture

[haughty flicker]

well its workshop so ye im giga demisemaxxing

on first pull

if we ever get a tank

[golden loom]

Hope they dont inspect you before one signs up

[haughty flicker]

ngl i think i have a good chance of still being top damage

[balmy condor]

It’s not like anyone understands our talents

Assa players don’t even understand assa talents

[haughty flicker]

real

[balmy condor]

Considering I have to explain the same 5-6 talents

Over

And over

And over

And over

And over

And over

[haughty flicker]

at least i finally found a use for symbolic victory

[spice surge]

Huh

[golden loom]

Praying for fatebound changes

[haughty flicker]

you dont want to know

[spice surge]

Symbolic is only for envenom

Isnt it

[golden loom]

Yeah he is playing DM less bleed

[haughty flicker]

well yeah but without dm i cant use lingering darkness

[spice surge]

Oh i see, i jumped in mid convo

[golden loom]

Freaky friday

[haughty flicker]

good start ig

[balmy condor]

Isn’t there a beast mastery build that avoids their cooldown

It’s just that

[haughty flicker]

thats what inspired this actually

this is feelycraft but do best to line up shivs with dn envenoms with symbolic vicotry ye

makes sense

[thorn oxide]

I just saw now the build without KB in MM+, what is the theory with shiv out of DM and mutilate vs FoK ?

[rotund oak]

u did twice the dmg that fury did

bigbanana bel

[haughty flicker]

cds are a crutch

also i died because the flame vent on conveyer belt randomly turned

[rotund oak]

Bel kebab

[kind ravine]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty mirage]

Great clip

[balmy condor]

You shiv for aoe

[haughty flicker]

ok well

its not actually doing bad

[frank trench]

lol as a brand new assassin player coming over from sub/outlaw the build seems like it should be easy and yet is very complicated while being easy 🙂

The wowhead guide is written insanely well tho like one of the best explained “why do I do this” guides vs this is your rotation ❤️

[haughty flicker]

ok well

its not good

but i think it wouldve done better if boss fights didnt take 15 minutes

i think everyone who even knows what im talking about left so gg

[bronze pike]

well your tank

isnt doing you any favors

ore your healer

[timber meadow]

thats part of why i lul when people link big overalls from 10s... like yeah if my bosses lasted 1 min everything would be diff

[spice surge]

I mean the big packs also last longer in higher keys

Higher keys usually get higher overalls

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[timber meadow]

it just depends what you're comparing

[haughty flicker]

well im comparing not taking deathmark at all to a normal build

so it was doomed from the start lmao

[red schooner]

remove deathmark, take iron wire, problem solved

[haughty flicker]

unironically exactly what i just did

[red schooner]

well, shit

how did it go?

[haughty flicker]

it went like this

10 ws

[red schooner]

new meta build lets go

[haughty flicker]

it was a ragnaros group so not the best test

might go again

[red schooner]

Just bind on use trinket to envenom or something

sorted

[haughty flicker]

i was basically just using signet like deathmark which kind of defeats the purpose

need to get a good damage trinket or something

[fallow canopy]

[red schooner]

nah macro to envenom don't think about it

[balmy condor]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[limber lion]

Subtletly

[alpine falcon]

guys what do we think abt energy drink on heroic

[dapper cradle]

sussy drink? the delve trinket?

hero track one is pretty solid

really omega giga good for sub

[alpine falcon]

ye

[dapper cradle]

ya it's pretty strong for a hero track trinket

definitely stronger for sub than for sin, but it's good either way

[haughty flicker]

its very sussy

[dapper cradle]

cummy energy drink

[violet talon]

Pretty sure it's marginally better for sin between those two specs. But either way, a good Hero trinket for sure until you get something like a Myth pacemaker

[dapper cradle]

myth pacemaker for sub sims about the same

even worse depending on the rest of your gear

[haughty flicker]

wait

[dapper cradle]

just a good trinket

[haughty flicker]

sussy energy drink is probably great for my sussy build

[dapper cradle]

[lusty kraken]

I finally realised why my assa aoe sucked

[balmy condor]

real

[lusty kraken]

overthinking is a dps loss boys

[dapper cradle]

thinking* is a dps loss

[haughty flicker]

how i learned to stop worrying and love the envenom

the spec

[balmy condor]

the middle guy could also be "I need to mouseover and perfectly spread everything and not waste a cast noooo you can't hit the same target over and over"

[nova shadow]

today I realized that the opener is actually garote rupture rupture ambush garote crimson knives envenom not the fking guide one with ambush first and wasting time for multilate to apply spatter

[haughty flicker]

yeah fuck the guide

[balmy condor]

yeah fuck the guide

[dapper cradle]

when she hits me with the gar gar gar rup rup

[royal lantern]

me slamming garrote on the same guy on the big opening pull in meadery 40x in a row:

[balmy condor]

opener is actually garrote rupture

cause 3 combo point ruptures

are fucking crazy sick

true and real

[dapper cradle]

whisp when are we doing triple sin keys

[haughty flicker]

can i bring my no cd build

[lusty kraken]

cannot wait to see what blizzard will cook in 11.2

I bet it's going to be another extra mastery tier set

and somehow envenom becomes even more important

[balmy condor]

maybe in 11.2 the guide can have a real opener

[hearty seal]

fok-fok-CT x3 then reapply mark with fok-fok envenom
hmmm nah doesn't sound real enough

[balmy condor]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2EJERHR/

[runic hinge]

I can garrote 36 times in a row if I spend my vanish charges well and I’m gonna do it

[balmy condor]

Will my garrote hit the casters or just random rowdy patrons

[spice surge]

Me spamming garrote because thats what the sim does

[balmy condor]

Who knows!

[balmy condor]

[fleet pagoda]

i ended up making a garrote mouseover macro where my dance keybind used to be because of all the non elite pulls where that happens

[haughty flicker]

just dont play with iw and you dont care anyway

w

[lusty kraken]

do you guys actually play with ironwire with the current dungeon pool?

I feel like it's not really necessary

[haughty flicker]

if pugs are nothing without iron wire then they dont deserve to have iron wire

[fleet pagoda]

oh it wasn't even an iron wire thing. i was just madge when the pull ends and there's like all the elites remaining with no bleeds on them lol

[haughty flicker]

thats fair

me spreading 5 ruptures and 4 are on slimes that die in 2 seconds

[lusty kraken]

true and real

[cerulean nest]

I've never once chased "M+ overall damage" and believe I'm a healthier man bc of it

if the key is timed who cares

[lusty kraken]

overall damage represents the size of your dick irl

[haughty flicker]

best way to time a key is to kill everything before it can do anything

[heavy nebula]

Wait

What do you do when you run out out energy in M+ on boss?

Scan Kleinanzeigen?

[haughty flicker]

sure

[heavy nebula]

TikTok?

[haughty flicker]

second monitor is essential for playing sin

[heavy nebula]

Für the memes?

[haughty flicker]

for youtube

[heavy nebula]

Last boss of rookery is absolutely depressing

[runic hinge]

yeah idk what to even do on that boss

about to let the add spawn so i can get energy for bleeding it

[timber meadow]

I wouldn't let the add spawn for any reason - it's really just a wipe

[haughty flicker]

theres an add?

wtf

[timber meadow]

yeah if you miss a crystal

[haughty flicker]

definitely gonna let one spawn for funnel

[timber meadow]

this is the way

[uneven plume]

Start hearthijg when 2nd to last boss is about to die. Swap to sub. Go back in at checkpoint

Lose 0 time

Don’t even need to swap gear cause all you need is mastery

[haughty flicker]

yeah i aint doing all that

[uneven plume]

Yah it’s a lot. Surely

[haughty flicker]

me spawn add

me funnel

[balmy condor]

lächeln über alle 4 backen

[hearty reef]

!mistakes

[astral current]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[sonic schooner]

Me spamming 27 backstabs in a row because that s what the sim says

[spice surge]

9.6% sudden demise

Its a 13 cinderbrew btw

[sonic schooner]

Teach me eleem

tight spender or imp ambush?

[runic hinge]

Me fr

[spice surge]

Imp ambush

[spice surge]

[sonic schooner]

ok cause on wowhead i m pretty sure it goes TS

[sonic schooner]

[spice surge]

Whisp said he fixed it

[sonic schooner]

so reactiv

thta s not like another class discord i wont mentionned

[royal lantern]

YOOOOOO

DB + WoW crossover

gambling patch irl

[weary spear]

Who even needs the hero talent anyways 😔

[timber meadow]

actually insane.. blizz buffing dk smh

[spice surge]

Baiting smh my head

[haughty flicker]

wtf rip outlaw

[timber meadow]

60% of the time it works every time

[fringe spear]

Wow what horrible changes

Does blizzard even play the game?

[royal lantern]

do wow players even read patchnotes?

[fringe spear]

I can't believe blizzard would do this

[normal mist]

these changes are ... pvp

smh

[lean plover]

no pve changes D:

[harsh harbor]

so in aoe, can I throw out KB, before doing an envenom?

or do you want envenom up before KB?

[slim copper]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[neon lodge]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[humble verge]

is this true? my guildies are curious if you can stack the poison

[haughty flicker]

it do be stackin

[humble verge]

holy guacamole

[timber meadow]

iono if im doing something wrong or people prio'ing SD dmg are doin somethin wrong or prob both but like i was at 6.5 overall before last boss of floodgate in a 14 and this was my SD.. so like its def pumpin' but im not getting crazy SD numbers

[royal lantern]

getting big SD numbers just means you do lower content lol

its a meme

its a overkill protection, not "effective dmg"

[pine cave]

bleed bulid ?

[spice surge]

I mean my 9%+ is insane, its usually more like 6-7%

But its probably at the cost of a bit of envenoms/spatter

[timber meadow]

okay i kinda figured this was the case

[timber meadow]

yeah i was asking whisper about this earlier, seems like it kinda just depends on pull size etc how aggressive to get with ruptures vs. envenom

[spice surge]

Iirc when i did the math it was a full rupture getting demised is roughly the same as envenom with 2 spatter targets

[timber meadow]

oh nice that's super helpful to know

[spice surge]

With bleed build that is

No wait its 2 targets total, not 2 spatters

I was wrong

[balmy condor]

14 cleft

(I trolled it so hard)

(we still timed)

[spice surge]

Max hit?

[royal lantern]

just ignore the first boss

:3

[balmy condor]

shhhhhhh

[balmy condor]

12.8

very bad

[spice surge]

My 35M above was with 1s left of deathmark on first pull with BL

the dream

[tall atlas]

So are we bleed build in M+ now

Idk

Are we all playing sub idk

Fugazi

[sonic schooner]

nah no sub

we bleedy boiz

[lost wharf]

Yo guys. I was playing bleed build and I was in Floodgate on the trash pull after the fish downstairs. We were fighting the 6 mobs there without the big one that sleeps. I think my Shiv pulled him with the aoe talent, even tho he wasn't infight. Is that possible?

[spice surge]

It shouldnt pull unless he already was in combat but maybe

The range is huge so if you were tanking it somewhat close

[lost wharf]

I'm like 80% sure I did. He did have Shiv and I think I had aggro for a sec. Idk if it was a big coincidence tho

[spice surge]

Like here is a screenshot of me doing that but im stabbing the ones in melee

And you can see it hitting the one in the back

[lost wharf]

You hit the Inspector on that range?

[sonic schooner]

LOL

[lost wharf]

Are you sure he didn't just jump out right as you casted?

[sudden kelp]

Are there other classes/specs similar to assa rogue? I like the DOTs, satisfying rotation (apart from deathmark), slower pace, cool theme. If there is similar I might try for an alt.

[lost wharf]

I haven't actually ever played it, but maybe Feral?

[spice surge]

Yes

Here is 1s earlier

[lost wharf]

No way, wtf

[royal lantern]

feral

afflock

[red schooner]

From my understanding, you shiv your first guy, it then jumps to a mob within X yards of the first guy, it then jumps to a mob within X yards of the second guy

So you can get some stupidly far off arterial shivs

I forget the number I wanna say 8 but I might be wrong

[slim copper]

for heroic gally as assa, is it worth running more cleave or just simply our new ST build with caustic?

[sudden kelp]

On the topic of pulling things, I was pulling all sorts of things in dungeon with one of those catch up trinkets from the siren isles last season, it was crazy. I had to take it off.

[lost wharf]

I did my vault runs today. All in Floodgate. I never really bothered pressing Deathmark on trash, because I kind of forgot/didn't care for the single target damage on an add that probably insta pops. I know it's not ideal, but I was kinda brain afk. In the last key I remembered, that that button actually also triggers my on-use trinket xd

[spice surge]

Just ST build (with arterial)

[spice surge]

But popping is fine because of demise

[lost wharf]

and splatter

[lost wharf]

Oh, that works?

[spice surge]

Yes

Deathmark doubles your garrote and rupture, so it doubles the demise