assassination

[waxen oyster]

tbf

like i imagine stix aint even that bad

unless you pop AR right before you get a ball

[subtle kiln]

Yeah one is comfy in range, the other is melee shit show.

plus solo didn’t fix sims until after rwf

[static glacier]

OL was topping without the HO build

I think it’s litterally just more dedicated players carrying it ngl

If the majority of people played OL it’d be low

[grand trail]

hi gamers wanted asked about bandit if you guys actually swap to adds or just put rupture on them and cleave of the boss

[static glacier]

Wupture I think

[thorn thorn]

I wanted to play outlaw but it got too much going on for me

[static glacier]

From what I saw on logs

[undone flame]

when shoude i use vansih on mug zee?

[grand trail]

since my sub gear is non existent im playing assa from this reset

[spice surge]

Whenever you want brother, let it out

Assuming you run the recommended raid build vanish does nothing

So

[grand trail]

i wont play pvp trinket any longer

[undone flame]

yea thats what i was wondering if i were doring thing right

[fresh hornet]

Supp guys

[fresh hornet]

vanish isnt something anymore. We're not using improve garrote

[static glacier]

Highkey what fights are sub> sin atm

[fresh hornet]

since our multilate and ambush get buffed

[grand trail]

none i guees

[static glacier]

You’ve always been a sub enjoyer so you can tell a sin boomer like me

No shot

[spice surge]

Assa good on mugzee

Sub good on bandit

[grand trail]

so many first kills are happeing as assa on bandit

[spice surge]

Besides that do whatever you want

Well you need somebody to kill the adds at 1:50, if you have monks that kill them then its fine to play assa

Some other classes can do okay to them too, but its mainly sub+monk

[static glacier]

Can probably get the warriors

To do it

Or boomie

[grand trail]

sub do dmg to melee add only anawy and that one die off cleave so it dosnt matter

[spice surge]

Not really

[grand trail]

its only one set of adds

and it already die too fast

im not getting second dance off fully

[spice surge]

On the set with the bomb?

[grand trail]

the adds at 1 50

fixed non cc

[spice surge]

Then you could spec assa ig

Idk doesnt really matter though

[grand trail]

yeah

monk do like 150m on them and me aroudn 120

the burtst is really affected by pvp trinket in this aoe i think

[static glacier]

Where’s ur house of cards bro

Does the boss have it?

[undone flame]

have all the buileds been updated for that changes?

[earnest remnant]

Can’t have too much add cleave on OAB

The faster they die the less debuffs you get

[plain whale]

Is it worth going two 678 daggers and embelishment on two random gear pieces or is ascension strong enough to warrant a 675 dagger? Couldnt manage to set a sim up on raidbots

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

You always run a crafted dagger

[plain whale]

Ty, I guess I'll use the second dagger for sub with a different enchant then

[shadow token]

i mean sub if it's not vers/mast, prob better off with embelished 675 too

[plain whale]

I have 2xPyro from Rik (so vers/mast, mast heavy)

perk of being only rogue in the raidteam

[shadow token]

ahh ya those are bis for sub but you prob still want 2 embelishments on other crafted pieces

[plain whale]

for sub i can embellish two random pieces since focusing lens goes on regular gear as well, so thats nice, only playing it on one boss now it seems after the assa buffs though

[shadow token]

ya i mean if you have the sparks and interchangeable gear. makes sense. lol thats 4 sparks lol

[plain whale]

just need one more spark and its gucci

[shadow token]

ya next week it is

lots of wasted crest tho =/

[plain whale]

yeah, probably not doing that untill later in the season

[spice surge]

Embellishments also doesnt really matter

The difference between them is abysmally small

[plain whale]

I know, but its fun to be optimized

[bleak ledge]

[spice surge]

A single envenom crit is gonna shift your parse way more than your choice of embellishment

[haughty flicker]

so i craft dawnthread

ok i definitely accept this right

[nova kelp]

put lens on everything

then you can play everything and just like not care

put dawn on everything
then you can play everything and just like not care

[dapper cradle]

Is this confirmed?

[earnest remnant]

its from a cast on the mob

so

[haughty flicker]

ok but is it confirmed

(idk why he asked this)

[nova kelp]

confirmed

[dapper cradle]

just need confirmation

[balmy condor]

Okay but you didn’t say it originally

So can Stealthi confirm it

[dapper cradle]

echo niner delta requesting confirmation over

[nova kelp]

we need a guarantee, not just a confirmation

[balmy condor]

Edger gooner jelqer requesting backup on the confirmation

[spice surge]

My cons are mostly firm

[nova kelp]

why do I hear squelching noises reading this?

[dapper cradle]

golf oscar oscar november echo romeo

[balmy condor]

That’s just the power I wield

[runic hinge]

100%

[vast shuttle]

rlly stupid question here why does my dagger dmg matter does my spells get better or just auto attacks?

[frail kettle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

Ability damage is calculated through a formula that values the mainhand weapon damage quite highly

Which is what makes the mainhand weapon the biggest single upgrade

[vast shuttle]

ty so much

[nova kelp]

your shiv is your main wingman

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-hussie-insane-crazy-knife-bartys-brew-ha-ha-gif-24652525

[merry marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn thorn]

[keen tundra]

I remember assa was insane w pi , is it still a really good pi target?

[normal mist]

We aint bad with pi

[haughty flicker]

not particularly great either

kingsbane nerfs made pi nowhere near as good as it was

[runic hinge]

Uncap kingsbane again

[balmy condor]

pretty shit these days

middle of the pack (bad) in single target, legit one of the worst in aoe

[spice surge]

Better than sub

[iron carbon]

Idd

3 rogue specs in bottom 5

But we take more or less same slot than Priest in M+, so who cares?

[thorn thorn]

Man

I remember when unholy was omegabis for pi

[iron carbon]

Top 3 in ST

[spice surge]

PI on bleed build on ST goes kinda hard though

[iron carbon]

You tell me you sim 2M in sT 5 min in bleed build?

[spice surge]

Ye?

Its not me, its a bis profile

[iron carbon]

Maybe but still

It's a lot

• 5-6 % damages btw

[undone flame]

Can I ask when you updated the builds more so im up to date

[balmy condor]

3/21

[undone flame]

Thanks think i wil have to look tho the builds i have saved

[timber meadow]

advanced combat log is so good... i could've sworn i didn't have anything available... turns out i just intid

[iron carbon]

Neat, how you gt that? Plugin?

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/details-advanced-death-logs-plug

[timber meadow]

yeah its a plugin

think that's the one

[iron carbon]

Gonna try tommorow

Not that I planned to die a lot

But we never know

[undone flame]

Thats cool dose it work on other players aswell?

[loud dome]

hey gang is there an up to date version of a weakaura like this https://wago.io/yUMsTUPTx

[hollow river]

pretty sure thats the one i still use

[runic terrace]

Sooo... bleed build in aoe is insane, in ST unfortunately kinda meh🤨 or is it just my impression?!

[spice surge]

Ye its still assassination

But its better than hybrid in ST

[runic terrace]

Not sure tbh

At least feeling wise

[hardy rapids]

It generally feels like a pick your fav build kind of season

kb has been feeling very unfun as of late for me so I've stuck with bleed

[storm forum]

doesnt feel like sin without giga KB so I've been preferring hybrid (although I have been missing blindside)

[runic terrace]

Mobs die too fast in +10, that's my problem with KB

[runic hinge]

Blindside good dopamine

[fleet pagoda]

4 consecutive blindside procs

[hardy rapids]

same thats why I'm sticking with bleed. everything dies so fast I feel like I can never get any good kbs

[spice surge]

To me bleed feels more like sin

But it just depends on your perspective ig

I just always prefered when assa was bleed based rather than poison based

[hardy rapids]

I cant lie both builds flavorfully are super cool and I like that you can choose 2 different ones

[fleet pagoda]

I like spreading bleeds, but deathstalker mark feels like the antithesis to that a bit. too much pressure to switch back to it

[haughty flicker]

bleed st is kind of boring as fuck but its also chill

so we take it

[hardy rapids]

yeah its definitely the least interactive ST

[spice surge]

Idk you keep up CT

[storm forum]

i think sin might have the best talent tree as far as choice variety goes.

[hardy rapids]

agreed

[haughty flicker]

i dont mind pressing ct in st

just another bleed

[spice surge]

Keeping up CT and ideally staying above 50% for sanguine is something

[storm forum]

most other specs like, there's a build that synergizes with one hero tree or another, and you get one or two flex points at best.

usually 0

[haughty flicker]

oh i could start playing around sanguine, im normally too lazy

but yeah might as well

[spice surge]

Most options isnt necessarily best, theres a lot of people that prefer the "this is the build"

Because they dont want to play around with talents, they just want to play the game

[storm forum]

true

[haughty flicker]

also most of the "choices" dont impact gameplay much at all

[storm forum]

i like it

[haughty flicker]

idk i like sin in keys but i feel like st has kind of just been going downhill in general

[storm forum]

having more options is also part of the giving up too much st for aoe problem with have

[haughty flicker]

like at least when we were kingsbane gaming we had a few things to press during kb at certain times, it wasnt anything hard but it was soemthing to do

now i press shiv and afk

[nova kelp]

might be about time that bellular puts out another vid lamenting the dramatic decline of DH and pointing out how they're so unpopular

[hollow river]

its all veng

[nova kelp]

zzzzzzzzzz

that's unironically what he'd probably say tbh

which is so migraine inducing

[runic hinge]

I am now playing flay and short DP

Because I don’t care and it feels better

[haughty flicker]

[storm forum]

i feel that tony

one of the perks of the archon build

[haughty flicker]

yeah but voidweaver looks sick

i wish they would use the new void effects more

reskin all of shadow to it

give sub some stuff with it

like kyveza clones for sectec

[storm forum]

true but i played too much VW (both disc and shadow) last tier

[runic hinge]

Void eruption looks way cooler than DA but void sphere also looks cool

Shadow has bis spec visuals

[storm forum]

im happy having some variety

i think ive eaten too much soup

maybe the third bowl was a mistake

[spice surge]

I genuinely think sub could triple its playrate if they just made sectech look cool, maybe if they combine it into a single hit too so its more DFA-like

[haughty flicker]

sectec one big hit where you and two of the void clones slash the enemy at the same time

would definitely make me even more willing to play it

[runic hinge]

They could make me play sub if they got rid of one cd. Or maybe made sec tec only usable in dance. I know it’s not as bad but I think tryna track symbols and dance and sec tec is a lot for people who don’t play it a ton

[haughty flicker]

ive gotten reasonably comfortable with the cds in raid, but in m+ my head explodes

especially in pugs

[spice surge]

Yes backstab being usable in dance, sectech being usable outside of dance

Easy fixes that would make it more approachable without changing much at all

I suspect theyll just buff BP and/or plague damage though since sub is doing quite poorly in m+

Which is just gonna brick deathstalker even harder

[runic hinge]

Or just getting rid of symbols so I have dance charges and I have blades and flag. Idk. Maybe I’m noob tho

I’ll give it a real try once I get an hoc

[spice surge]

Ye but thats more work on blizzards end

[haughty flicker]

would sub players be mad if they merged dance and symbols

[mortal badger]

bake sod into dance
remove dance cdr

[haughty flicker]

to me it sounds like a decent idea but i havent played it as long as others

[spice surge]

Its fine

Could merge blades and flag too

[runic hinge]

Probably would make some who like to mix Max upset but it would make the spec more approachable

Which like I don’t wanna change sub for my sake at all I just think it has a lot of stuff going on that makes it harder to play than a lot of things

[spice surge]

I dont disagree

[waxen oyster]

atp dance cdr does nothing

but punish you for lower uptime

[spice surge]

I think timing the cds should be the focus of the spec

But it has so many weird ass small things

That are counterintuitive

[viscid spear]

Another Heroic HoC drop, another failed roll

[waxen oyster]

Like how often are you in a situation where

you get extra dances

due to aoe higher cp gen

[spice surge]

But ye i dont think theyll do much too it, maybe in midnight

[haughty flicker]

it does kind of feel like the cdr does nothing but punish you for playing badly

[runic hinge]

Cdr on two things that isn’t even the same cdr. Multiple charges on two small cool downs and two “big” cds that you want mostly lined up but don’t wanna push at the same time

[spice surge]

Mostly sub could use some actual effort put into its aoe

[haughty flicker]

rather than reward you for doing well

[spice surge]

ST is convoluted yes, but it feels fine

[viscid spear]

At least I got dagger

[waxen oyster]

you could make dance a 25/30 cd

[spice surge]

Aoe is just, the same but even more convoluted for no reason

[waxen oyster]

and it would not worsen gameplay

[haughty flicker]

using cds and building up to a big sectec at the end is fun

feels better than just pressing shiv once and getting a 30m envenom

[spice surge]

Theyll fix sub, right after they fix deathstalker

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

Deathstalker almost made me not play rogue this tier

[viscid spear]

[hardy rapids]

why does everyone hate DS seriously? do people not like passive hero talents?

it also is not a hard tree at all

at least it isnt fatebound

[mortal badger]

DS assa is fine

[runic hinge]

It’s not passive when I have to press mutilate on 6 combo points when I normally would just finish.

[earnest remnant]

plays like ass on sub

tahts why its hated

[waxen oyster]

i like passive hero trees like slayer warrior

[haughty flicker]

assa ds and sub ds are not the same

[hardy rapids]

thats fair

[haughty flicker]

sub ds is kind of an abomination

and sin ds is just passive until it randomly decides to fuck you over

[hardy rapids]

I heard that its fucking awful feeling to play as sub

[haughty flicker]

so not a huge fan

[spice surge]

You know how darkest night feels good with spatter? Eviscerate for sub doesnt spatter

[hardy rapids]

YOU SO RIGHT

[runic hinge]

It also made us even more envenom the spec because of darkest night

Because we definitely needed more Envenom damage

[spice surge]

So it just does less damage than a regular BP, but because its bugged the mark stops working correctly when you have darkest night up

[runic hinge]

[spice surge]

So the ideal way to play deathstalker aoe

[hardy rapids]

I dont think there would ever be a scenario where assa isnt an evenom spec unless they add another main dps finisher

[spice surge]

Is to strike another target to reset your marks to 3 after you hit 1 on your main target

to prevent proccing darkest night

So you can continue to bp

[hardy rapids]

that sounds

LIKE HELL

[runic hinge]

The reason I like playing bleed is so envenom and spatter isn’t my top damage

[hardy rapids]

yeah but you still apply all your bleeds and spam envenom

[spice surge]

Also you know how all of the plague passive damage effects scale with mastery? They dont for sub

[hardy rapids]

just other things do the work at the end of it

[hardy rapids]

[spice surge]

And you know how the passive effect spatter? They dont for sub

[runic hinge]

Also I gotta say at least fatebound is full passive and ignorable. DS has pain points I hate like mut on 6 and fok in single target. They feel stupid and clunky.

[spice surge]

Not nearly as relevant gameplay wise but a pet peeve of mine is that most of the talents are also bugged and doesnt do what they say. Like the +60% eviscerate on darkest night doesnt work on the shadow part of eviscetate (which is like 45% of the damage) so its more like 35% more damage instead of 60%

And thats just the bad parts about deathstalker, trickster also has a bunch of QoL stuff that smooths out the rotation which deathstalker doesnt have

[hardy rapids]

That just seems genuinely so unfun, I for real thought it was because it just wasnt interactive and people prefered the interactivity of trickster

I would love to learn sub but Its m+ feel is so bad

[spice surge]

It was pushed onto the alpha realm literally last minute because they needed all the hero talents in before they went into beta and then havent touched it since

[thorn thorn]

[spice surge]

Nvm they added fatal intent, which needs something like a 10x buff to be a mid talent

[hardy rapids]

Would there be any reason to play it right now other than the spec theme at this point until it gets changed?

I would genuinely want to learn and play it for M+

[haughty flicker]

[spice surge]

Deathstalker sub, no not really

Trickster is fun though

[hardy rapids]

I meant sub in general

[spice surge]

Sub is still decent in raid

[hardy rapids]

[waxen oyster]

dance cdr simply doesnt work

ever since they made sub a burst spec again

imo

[lean plover]

Sub is extremely fun, problem is assa has almlst the ssme damage in cds in m+, and extremely better dps out of em

[slim copper]

ummm is the ST talents for ass rogue wrong on icyveins? why do we run caustic splatter?

[lean plover]

Because theres only 1 boss in the raid where you dont run it, and even then its a minor dps gain

internal bleeding weak

[hallow rose]

Fight dependent, if there are any mobs ever it usually beats out internal bleeding

[hardy rapids]

I would try it out more often if I wasnt so comfortable on assa after playing for so damn long

[lean plover]

I love it, play it whenever i have the chance

But very little reason to play it when assa is tuned like this

Its good on some mythic fights tho

[slim copper]

do we have an option for log review in this channel?

[solid hemlock]

is it troll to craft your non set piece (helmet) ? i see no other good player doing it on murlok.io

[slim copper]

trying to learn and only thing i can tell is uptime on my bleeds is a bit low

[nova kelp]

little reason to play what?

spatter or internal?

[lean plover]

Subtlety

[slim copper]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[nova kelp]

you'd play sub atm because you might be needed to target switch

[stoic lily]

play sub because it's cool

[nova kelp]

as to how EASY the switching is, or wether that's BETTER than railing a boss with effective cleave as sin is dependant on what you're called to DO within your raid

but if they WANT you to switch, then you're likely playing either sub/OL
if they want you to switch and you just don't then you're kinda a dick

or they are and they refuse to understand how classes work

[lean plover]

Yeah, you wouldnt play assa if you need to target switch

[nova kelp]

but that's not their fault, noone really understands how rogue works because theres less of us as a whole class than there are rets as a single spec

[slim copper]

so like mugzee would that be a good fight for sub?

[waxen oyster]

on mythic its an assa fight

[nova kelp]

if you have to go into gaols sure

[lean plover]

Assa

[waxen oyster]

because execute

[nova kelp]

if you need to go into gaols sin is not the greatest on it

BUT a good raid won't ask that of you

a GOOD raid will ask you to rail the boss as sin

[waxen oyster]

Going into gaols means you're missing people

not covering other people's fuckups

I mean might be a hot take: i dont cover for other people's mistakes because then they get comfy

not doing their job

[nova kelp]

if you're referring to mid fight requirements thats entirely different

I'm talking about when you're planning your approach

[slim copper]

they just send high dps into the gaols to burn them down fast

[waxen oyster]

so not assa

[nova kelp]

if in the PLAN you need to do gaols, you're less likely to play sin

[waxen oyster]

gl spending 2-3 gcds setting up to do real damage

to the goons

[slim copper]

i was playing outlaw felt better because i hold BtE stealth window for the goon

[nova kelp]

hold... bte?

[waxen oyster]

that is wrong

in itself

[nova kelp]

hold? outlaw?

[waxen oyster]

xd

[slim copper]

stealth window*****

[waxen oyster]

outlaw hold

lmao

[nova kelp]

you don't hold in outlaw

you can't hold in outlaw

[slim copper]

hold my beer

[waxen oyster]

outlaw is full gaspedal

start to finish

[nova kelp]

outlaw requires permanent input to maintain flat damage profile

so holding doesn't allow you to on demand burst

it just causes you to dip

[slim copper]

hmm ya thats fair

[waxen oyster]

then again wow community still thinks rogue is gigatanky

the amount of times i get 0 healer attention is wild

[hardy rapids]

I hatebeing called FOTM when I just love assa as a theme ;-;

[lean plover]

fotm when uhdk exists xd

[hardy rapids]

I just meant from rogue lol

[waxen oyster]

when was the last time rogue was truly fotm

[hardy rapids]

I cant remember that

But I was just talking about fotm spec

[severe sparrow]

one of my guildies keeps running into big subs who blast when he's pugging and keeps being like DUDE HAVE YOU TRIED SUB YOU GOTTA

[waxen oyster]

I feel like people overhype bursty specs

because their lives surround staring at details

[ebon steppe]

Assa only, even before that huge buff

[loud dome]

why is my guy weakaura looking like this

[nova kelp]

legion, world of soakcraft when we had 1 min cloak

[coral ibex]

idk 15m burst on a pack feels good

[waxen oyster]

so unholy dk

[waxen oyster]

it was 2

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[viscid spear]

Running 2-5-17, wiping on Mug'Zee so much. Too many people messing up mechanics but everyone just has to get these kills. Just can't root the weeds out.

[nova kelp]

we had 1 min cloak

it was nerfed to 2

[severe sparrow]

nice

[meager crane]

yo on vexie do yall save deathmark/kb combo for lust

or dm/kb on pull

[runic hinge]

I always send

[spice surge]

It should be up for the phase anyway

[maiden sierra]

on heroic, i send kingsbane on pull (if you send deathmark you wont have it for intermission).
on mythic, i send both on pull as you get it for intermission.

[meager crane]

i feel like our guild grp phases before 2 min usually

yea we're ab to pull mythic

[spice surge]

You dont need it immediately when he starts repairing

[meager crane]

so thats what i was wondering exactly

ty rob

[spice surge]

The cast is 45s

[maiden sierra]

yes, but you want it the moment it starts

so you get the after deathmark buff on intermission as well

and sending all on pull (on heroic) leads to deathmark being way too late.

but who am i to give advice, i parsed a 3 on mythic Stix

(god i hate that boss)

[balmy condor]

I parsed a 48

[maiden sierra]

HUGE

i told my raid lead to perma bench me on that boss

[balmy condor]

spent a bunch of time thinking about cds and then got a double baller

[maiden sierra]

im hoping next sunday raid, sprocketmonger will be more fun

[coral ibex]

2 ball 2 goated

[maiden sierra]

this raid has been quite shit so far ngl

[thorn thorn]

I hope whoever designed stix gets a fat smelly greasy pair dragged across their face

[maiden sierra]

i miss the days we stacked haste mastery

when our abilities did damage

[meager crane]

so what was the conclusion you came to whispyr

[thorn thorn]

Probably that Stix is a shit boss

[balmy condor]

fight shit

[meager crane]

word

[coral ibex]

"hm i think i will hold cds this time, surely i won't get first set"

and then you clear on the pull you get sent to the shadow realm

[nova kelp]

just send on that fight, hope for the best

lol

[maiden sierra]

for full realism, i drank 15 in game alcoholic drinks to have a blurry screen and swaying movement before pulling stix.
driving the balls full pro mode

[thorn thorn]

Play dps, clear for 3 weeks with no ball, start playing healer, get ball every pull

[balmy condor]

just something to take the edge off

[nova kelp]

also stand where the other melee are going to need to in order to cleave, so that your spatter can do it and they need to avoid possible cleave to spread fire circles

for legal reasons: this is a joke

[haughty flicker]

what drop

for ct

on stix

halp

quick

[thorn thorn]

Bench yourself

[haughty flicker]

i tried

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

@balmy condor halp i cant think for myself

[nova kelp]

just don't take ct for stix

just spatter

[balmy condor]

sbs

doom

[maiden sierra]

warcraft logs, go look at top dps rogue, copy talent build

[haughty flicker]

ok ty

[balmy condor]

[nova kelp]

shit just dies, and jbarely stacks up

[haughty flicker]

kb got parried first pull

[haughty flicker]

huge gaming

[balmy condor]

9% is good

[haughty flicker]

wait whats fok rules if i have vv and thrown precision

[waxen oyster]

What'd you drop

[haughty flicker]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[nova kelp]

if I bothered with ct in my group I wouldn't be able to hit shit with it

[haughty flicker]

ok i can do that math

[nova kelp]

like at all

[desert vault]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[waxen oyster]

oh we wouldnt haev ct value anyway

unless someone the crabs come into melee

[haughty flicker]

im testing

[waxen oyster]

yeah that aint happening

[haughty flicker]

we see if it works

[maiden sierra]

its really grip dependant

[balmy condor]

my boomkins thanked me for killing hyenas

guild happy

CT did dam

boss damage was good

[nova kelp]

I kill a fuck load of hyenas

[coral ibex]

what was ur ct %

[balmy condor]

I literally just linked this

[nova kelp]

but without ct

idk

[coral ibex]

oh mb

i scroll up

[nova kelp]

whatever works really

[balmy condor]

7% of my boss dam

idk

it's just ovi'nax all over again

[haughty flicker]

wait heres a question that might not matter much

[balmy condor]

and people just won't believe that CT is insano strong

[haughty flicker]

but if i ct with like 3t and one more runs in do i ct immediately again

[nova kelp]

ct is phat

[balmy condor]

no

[nova kelp]

not saying it's not

[haughty flicker]

ok

i didnt think so but wanted to check

[balmy condor]

typically just CT the crabs at the start and then refresh when hyenas/scraps come in

and that's it

rest just envenom

pool energy for add waves

[haughty flicker]

ok yeah makes sense

ty

[nova kelp]

man, maybe we just have insano cleave

or more people than necessary huggin stix's nuts

[haughty flicker]

well we also have

10 melee

no boomkin

1 spriest

[nova kelp]

but like if I used CT I'd almost always just be ticking on the boss alone

[haughty flicker]

well yeah thats the idea

its for boss damage

[nova kelp]

it's the alone part

[haughty flicker]

imagine having things die before they reach melee range

[nova kelp]

if it was a sheet st dps increase we'd use it all the time

[haughty flicker]

couldnt be my raid

also ideally wouldnt hyenas/scrapmasters get brought into melee by balls anyway

then just snapshot ct before they blow up

[nova kelp]

yeah, these things are usually dead in my raid by the time I get an envenom off

I'll give it a shot next time

but I imagine it to be a net loss in my groups loadout

could be just the jacked up windwalkers 99 parsing on everything

isn't a lot of people rocking ct on him, but that might just be through lack of considering it

[haughty flicker]

idk

me try and see

[nova kelp]

I won't get to try it for 2 days, so it will be a bit before I can report a thing

[haughty flicker]

we need to live longer than 2m for me to get any results though

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

guild has to do barrels themselves next week

[nova kelp]

lol I did barrels with sub

[haughty flicker]

i am

not good at sub

but a 19 parse was enough to top barrel damage and kill boss so we take it

[nova kelp]

oh no

oh nonononono

[haughty flicker]

late ce guild shenanigans

[nova kelp]

you like holding every dance specifically for the barrels alone? or like

what?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[nova kelp]

oh dear

[haughty flicker]

i literally held every single cd for barrels

[nova kelp]

I mean hey, a kills a kill right?

[haughty flicker]

oh yeah idc what the parse is i care that the boss is dead

[nova kelp]

not like people are going to be looking at our parses with a mouse over to see if we can get an invite or anything

[haughty flicker]

thats why i swapped to sub to begin with, i knew it wasnt dying if i didnt

[nova kelp]

oh... wait...

[haughty flicker]

tahts fine though since i have sin parses

it shows that average

nothing amazing but acceptable

[nova kelp]

you just gota have that one fat FAT sprocketlog yknow

"I R DO BIG SINGLE TARGUT"

[haughty flicker]

i just want ce

idc if i have to parse entirely grey from this point on

this will be my first ce

[nova kelp]

I just want the mount

ce is cool and all

but that mount

hnnngggg

[haughty flicker]

ive even floated the option of me playing boomkin on stix if needed

just bc i want bosses to die

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/vomit-gif-11028246805866245418

you're a better person than I am apparently

[haughty flicker]

ok well not really

because i think boomkin is kind of funny as fuck on stix

i might even enjoy it more than playing sin lmao

you just take every single talent to give you astral power during trees and just press starfall 15 times in a row when adds spawn

and hope your tanks get aggro before you die

[nova kelp]

that right there, that was more theorycrafting on boomies than I've seen since like... bfa

[idle inlet]

ugggh being forced to hard swap to the far bomb by raid leader and end up doing less damage to bombs this is cringe someone explain to this man how my spec works

[haughty flicker]

is this a richard moment

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[slow blade]

dumb question! this isnt really assassination specific. but id like to post my logs for review. when i upload my logs for a single dungeon it only shows one fight (last boss) is that normal?

[nova kelp]

the issue is there's about a grand total of 12 or 26 rogues in the entire game, so noone knows how they work. Like you can try to explain, likely futile, but you might be better off idk... adjusting your spec or switching to sub, although sub also suffers from dance downtime

if somehow your raid lead understands, send them flowers and chocolates

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tacit hedge]

ty

[cloud basin]

how close does mugzee need to be for me to get use out of spatter with gaols?

[haughty flicker]

spatter is 12y around your target

so within 12y

[nova kelp]

mugs has a pretty decent hitbox though no?

[cloud basin]

doesnt seem to be hitting through gaol it seems then

im not in gaols, im slamming on mugzee himself

[coral ibex]

tank skill issue im afraid

[cloud basin]

so bring him closer?

[balmy condor]

basically top 10% of mythic "acceptable"

gg

[balmy condor]

not big enough to trigger the second check

[neat flame]

purple parse on aotc kill, lets goooo

[balmy condor]

pog

[haughty flicker]

ok im definitely getting benched on stix next week lmao

unlucky

ranged just arent breaking bombshells

and im sure as fuck not running out to them or playing sub for another boss in a row

[dapper cradle]

2 h 15 min of sprocket wipes

[lilac hare]

Hi guys, is this right channel to ask for assa

[balmy condor]

tis indeed

assassination channel for assassination

[runic hinge]

Source?

[balmy condor]

I made it up

[lilac hare]

i am playing this talent https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DANFVVFRRBUVUmJBCQRNVUVVFUYFQFKFQBEEVVVUCEA

[balmy condor]

why

[lilac hare]

but i am confused been not able to triger [Deathstalker's Mark]

from stealth

[balmy condor]

do you not have ambush on your stealth bar

[lilac hare]

nope

[balmy condor]

that seems relevant

[runic hinge]

That would be a problem

[lilac hare]

thanks alot, sorry for the noob question

you made my day

i lose lots of dps cos of that

omg i have been suffering for sometimes

❤️

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

yeh not having your mark is around 26% dps

large dps

[runic hinge]

You should read up one of those

[lilac hare]

cheers guys

[runic hinge]

Cheers

[balmy condor]

[lilac hare]

i will indeed

[runic hinge]

60 days sober rn. I’m unstoppable

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[balmy condor]

open the news

you're liberated buddy

this is your sign to start day drinking

[runic hinge]

Wondering if I should make my car payment this month or wait for the collapse

[thorn thorn]

Stix makes me consider day drinking

And I have a strong dislike for beer

[balmy condor]

no one said beer

day drink liquor

[runic hinge]

I love beer. Maybe too much

[balmy condor]

bartender, can I order a pint of kamikaze

[thorn thorn]

I want to be intoxicated enough to not remember progging Stix not wake up with a hangover

[dapper cradle]

day drink lady grey tea

[desert vault]

just starting prog on mythic Stix, any particular tips?

[thorn thorn]

Currently I day drink dihydrogen monoxide

[thorn thorn]

Bench yourself

[desert vault]

I'm doing my best 🙂

[earnest timber]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[desert vault]

aside from benching myself, any other tips? or just not really, trying to splatter what you can and tunnel boss?

[balmy condor]

yeh

CT for boss dam and hyena dam

otherwise just spatter and whatever

[desert vault]

is it worth trying to dot the crabs?

[balmy condor]

no

you can rupture snipe a sniper maybe

[dapper cradle]

on stix do you rupture the boss?

[coral ibex]

hmmm

prob have to sim that one

[balmy condor]

perhaps

[desert vault]

yeah, this fight is ... well, trash

[dapper cradle]

3 hours of wiping on sprocket

no kill

[thorn thorn]

[nova kelp]

long as you're getting past the third set of mines

[haughty flicker]

i'd love to spend 3 hours wiping on sprocket

[nova kelp]

you can

just gota kill rik

[dapper cradle]

you guys on bandit or mug rn?

[haughty flicker]

no we arent even to sprocket lmao

[dapper cradle]

[haughty flicker]

well technically we could be but we doing stix

[nova kelp]

do it for the shits and giggles

take your ball and roll it all the way to sproket

[haughty flicker]

got ball 3 times

[nova kelp]

"QUIET DOWN BACK THERE! DON'T MAKE ME TURN THIS BALL AROUND!"

[haughty flicker]

did ball correctly 3 times

all i hear about is not hitting bombshells

[nova kelp]

AVOID

[dapper cradle]

same energy as week one heroic bandit

my cringe old raid lead yelling about coin uptime

[nova kelp]

I can't wait to cringe about bandit

it sounds so easy and fun

[radiant stratus]

is 2.2mil overall in a M+ an okay amount to have at 650 ilvl, only newish to sin so i really can't tell if im playing bad or not. Had pugs complain before but it just has me scratching my head.

[astral leaf]

Does anyone know if you shadowstep to mugzee when he's spinning in intermission if you'll get insta ticked by the frontals?

[haughty flicker]

i havent tried it but assuming it puts you behind him it shouldnt be an issue

easy way to find out

[runic hinge]

Can’t you kinda just stand inside him and not get hit

Idk maybe I’m just pixel perfect like that

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/drax-gotg2-humble-humility-gif-21539324

[spice spire]

You do not

[still sky]

You can shadowstep him just fine. I usually back up a hair right after to stack with the group

[astral leaf]

good comms

[haughty flicker]

o.o

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/flash-lampo-speed-gif-18173027

[golden loom]

675??

[empty iris]

hiya, was wondering, does this report match expectations? so many raid trinkets simming lower than the delve trinket https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6RUqBbC2m8mE3pohoMqEVK

[dapper cradle]

yeah that's pretty normal

generally, trinkets are pretty doodoo caca stinky poopoo this tier

[empty iris]

roger roger. i just wanna luanch a car at something, or ride a bee.

their impact to the fight might suck but their animations are hilarious

thanks for double checking!

[stark halo]

Using a junkmasters during lingering though….

Screams rogue fantasy am I right?

[balmy condor]

To be fair you’re also Simming trinkets at piss item level

Delve item levels cap out at heroic from vault

All the other items go to myth from vault

And can be farmed on heroic

Which kinda makes a big difference big picture

At equal item level, delve trinkets look really really good

Cause like yeah, they cap out 13 ilvl under everything else

So they’re tuned to be like slightly higher than most regular champ trinket things

But they just get ramped once it gets past hero

[empty iris]

thanks @balmy condor for that! this is an alt, and idk if ill have time to get full myth , so maxing heroic trinkets might be reasonable for the season. is there a big jump in efficacy between 658 (max champ) and full mythic?

waiting to send gilded till i get gilded ach on my main

[vague raft]

mug'zee proggers, I'm assigned for cages on second set and third set. I am void elf so I can escape one set

wtf do I do with my kingsbane at 3min?

void elf out and send insta?

then don't use the one at 4min?

just down a kingsbane?

or send the one at 4min but just delay DM to like 5:30?

sorry, mythic mug'zee

[balmy condor]

20 ilvl is quite a lot yes

[vague raft]

might fuck around and ping guy

[slim copper]

Regarding Kingsbane at 3min:
If you’re about to get caged on 3rd set (~3:10ish), and you plan to void elf out, then yeah:

Void elf out instantly

Kingsbane instantly after

Full send your usual mini-burst (including Envenoms & Fan if needed to keep pressure)

But then what about 4min Kingsbane?
You’ve got options depending on your group’s damage routing and the fight timing:

A) Conserve Energy Play (safer, simpler):
Skip the 4min Kingsbane

Just pool for 5:30 big burn window

That means more energy, better Vanish value, more throughput during the heavy damage phase

B) Greedy Play (only if you're comfy and not energy starved):
Send a short Kingsbane at 4min (small window)

Delay your Deathmark and full burst until 5:30, with a bigger pool

You risk energy issues unless you micro-manage pooling tight

My thoughts

[subtle tundra]

bruh what if youre holding for 5:30 you just delay your kb a bit

its not complicated

[haughty flicker]

why does this look like ai

[subtle tundra]

whats all this energy conservation talk about

you dont start pooling a minute before lol

even if you pooled its like a 10 second endeavour at most

[slim copper]

copied word for word from chatgpt 😂 the "my thoughts" even

[subtle tundra]

[slim copper]

who the fuck uses bullets in convo lmao

[subtle tundra]

anyways, the answer is: just send the kb on cd, its a weak ass kb regardless if you waste 2 seconds of it from lack of uptime it doesnt matter. P1 dps is irrelevant

[vague raft]

am I sending it before the cages go out?

and then just being depressed as i run to far right cage?

fastest you could possibly send it after cages is like 3:20

before you could do like 3:12, do two globals and then jerk off to narnia

[haughty flicker]

brother you can afk the first 60% of the fight if you want

[slim copper]

lemme ask ChadGPT rq

[haughty flicker]

press your buttons properly for the last 40% and you're doing your job

[subtle tundra]

surely theres a chatgpt bot we can add to the server and make him answer

[haughty flicker]

whispyr.ai

[slim copper]

lemme stop playing i aint trying to get banned from rogue discord

[old ruin]

Can I get the simc string for sin rogue execute PI sim if anyone has on hand

[slim copper]

Is this an acceptable spread?

[nova kelp]

not enough SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

best stat in the game

[slim copper]

seriously though lol

[nova kelp]

but also yes

just keep simming your gear though

you never know when you pick something up that will surprise you in a sim

[slim copper]

my single target is piss poor and idk why

[golden loom]

ask chatgpt

[slim copper]

i did it told me to get gud

[nova kelp]

your single target?
st in raid? in a dungeon?
with full buffs? no buffs?
which build?

lots of variables to that kind of statement

[subtle tundra]

i spread my cheeks

better

[slim copper]

ayyy yo

[haughty flicker]

[slim copper]

ST in raid can i share a log link here?

[golden loom]

send da link

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-wolf-delicious-leonardo-dicaprio-gif-12886697

[royal lantern]

or we dont boil water away "for the memes lolololololol"

[golden loom]

im too dumb to understand what that means

[nova kelp]

LOL

[slim copper]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KAyT2RpDcdmQx9h8?fight=15

I know my dot uptimes need a bit of work.

[haughty flicker]

i use chatgpt so that the northern passage becomes a viable trade route

[slim copper]

same must be that old english

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/delicious-horny-lick-cat-pussy-gif-19401937

[golden loom]

brother are we pvping mugzee?

[slim copper]

I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON

[nova kelp]

You don't know unless you try to be fair

[slim copper]

its the keybind for BtE on outlaw

[golden loom]

jokes aside, dont go into first jail on mugzee

[slim copper]

it was habit

[nova kelp]

have YOU ever tried @golden loom ?

what if

[golden loom]

stay on boss

[nova kelp]

what if it worked?!

[dusk sun]

is there a flexpoint that i can remove so i can get ironwire?

[nova kelp]

we'd be kidney'ing up a storm

[golden loom]

also play caustic spatter not internal bleeding

[slim copper]

ya i learned that today

[nova kelp]

oh you're in the gaol

[slim copper]

ya my raid lead hates me

[nova kelp]

dats a roughy yeah

fortunately with VV build you can vanish into it, and carry your DN out

[golden loom]

just mute raid lead 👍

[nova kelp]

if you HAVE to

that's a better option lol

[slim copper]

im sorry im stupid can you elaborate on these acronyms.

https://tenor.com/view/dat-funny-stuff-smile-funny-smile-weird-smile-gif-13432373

god thats a cursed image

[golden loom]

this shiv here is very random @slim copper

[nova kelp]

vv is viscous venoms, dn is darkest night

[golden loom]

I assume the one at 42 seconds is for darkest night during lingering

[subtle tundra]

viscous venoms 🔥

[golden loom]

but the other one just leaves ur kingsbane dry as fuck

[nova kelp]

viscous lol

well

thats' a thing I said

[subtle tundra]

i leave all women like that so its not bad

[haughty flicker]

[nova kelp]

women ARE the kings bane

we be kissing boys here

[golden loom]

also, we REALLY have to look into our rings what the fuck is that

[subtle tundra]

CURSED VERSATILITY

NAAAH

[haughty flicker]

this is bait right

[nova kelp]

what stat does cursed vers take?

[golden loom]

atleast 1 gem on the circlet is correct

[haughty flicker]

the citrines

holy

[slim copper]

i told you guys i was outlaw before yesterday haha

[subtle tundra]

cursed

[nova kelp]

CURSED VERS TAKES MASTERY!?!?!?!?!

sir

sir

[slim copper]

LISTENNNN

[subtle tundra]

olala...

[golden loom]

ah I guess it makes sense for pirate

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-way-gif-24547692

[golden loom]

but 😄

[slim copper]

@haughty flicker no i really need the help unfortunately lol i learn by getting roasted so

[nova kelp]

I mean stats don't matter... but like

yknow

but

[subtle tundra]

you r bad

[slim copper]

mother is that you?

[nova kelp]

spank him

I'll watch

[subtle tundra]

wait ill look at your rotation and be more dissapointed than your mother

[golden loom]

always good to seek improvement

[subtle tundra]

you dont go in cage as assa bud

you do more damage while outside

[golden loom]

wait is wclogs trolling me or do you not have an embelishment on your dagger?

[slim copper]

sigh

one more time... I siwtched like 10 minutes before raid

[golden loom]

(gear is not as important as playing correctly ofc but im just checking)

[slim copper]

it was my offhand in outlaw

[subtle tundra]

@slim copper my brother in christ

[golden loom]

ah

[subtle tundra]

stop

targeting

random shit

i beg

[golden loom]

fuck that drone 💯

[slim copper]

ya even i got mad when i saw that

[subtle tundra]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[subtle tundra]

this applies to a lot

[nova kelp]

to be fair, if you've just switched from OL the whole "I honestly cant' switch targets" probably hasn't had time to sink in

[slim copper]

idk how to tell my raid lead no

[subtle tundra]

idk what happens 1 minute into the fight that warrants 7 sec downtime

[slim copper]

Yall want his discord tag to tell him for me? 😅

[subtle tundra]

you dont need to tell him anything

you really dont

[nova kelp]

but you'll see us reiterate this point a lot, sin just doesn't switch, like a target has to live a long time with a raid build for it to be worth switching to over spatter cleaving

[golden loom]

ice spear thingy? idk how to play around that still

[slim copper]

ya i think

only reason i would have popped sprint

but a lot of things im seeing here that i do dont make sense so who the fuck knows

[nova kelp]

you need to preload a response like "I will do MORE damage to it by NOT switching if the boss is close" and just like spam that shit
coz it's true

[haughty flicker]

its ok we all start somewhere

a recovering outlaw player needs to be treated gently

[subtle tundra]

yeah you just keep swapping to random mobs

[slim copper]

im at least decent if you look at my outlaw parses 😅

[subtle tundra]

that goes against the whole design of assa currently

[nova kelp]

if you do decent outlaw parses you can for sure be good with sin

it's just less adhd and more hardcore introversion

[golden loom]

also if your raid leader says "swap to x" as a general thing to the raid just dont listen, not like he will notice anything other than details meter when u will be higher up if u just stay on boss

[nova kelp]

treat the boss like it's your newest obsession and you have severe separation anxiety

[slim copper]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-burnt-your-home-desperate-psycho-gif-7175520

Like that?

[coral ibex]

RL says everyone swap, you move next to the mobs and make it look like ur hitting them

but really ur hitting the boss

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

that's caustic uptime anyway

[nova kelp]

honestly, if a boss is actually being moved around onto adds, and you don't switch, most people won't bother looking into it
they'll just look at your damage to the mobs and assume you ARE switching

[golden loom]

I mean if the boss is on top of the adds I dont think a single class is swapping

just cleave off boss

[slim copper]

wait so this might be a stupid question. But you cant hit goons from outside of the gaols. right? I've never tried because ive always gone in like a good little boy lol

[golden loom]

assa can

with spatter

[slim copper]

ooooooo

[golden loom]

its probably not intended to work but it does if boss is in a good position in relation to the jails

[nova kelp]

the catch is, they need to be aware that you won't go in

because otherwise peeps get fucked up

[golden loom]

just send this to ur RL

[radiant stratus]

You should have your kidney on the same button no matter what spec you are

[nova kelp]

could be a hold over from like the slands days when BtE stunned maybe

[slim copper]

i guess the whole caustic splatter circle diagram i saw somewhere confused me

[nova kelp]

it's in the pins

just think of spatter as the same as ignight

[golden loom]

that was just a update to make it more consitent on bosses with shitty hitboxes

[nova kelp]

ignite*

we cleave from the target location, not from our own

well.... fok does

but don't overcomplicate it

[slim copper]

how do i see the display like that ^^^ in wcl? i forgot how to get there

[golden loom]

replay

[slim copper]

ty

[radiant stratus]

doesnt it do it from both target and our self now?

[golden loom]

well from target, and to targets that are in melee range of the boss and us but not in range of the bosses hitbox splash range

[grim jay]

false, IC spread is not only based on the target either.

[slim copper]

This is how we position them. Boss isnt in between its off to one side.

would i still reach in a situation like this?

[golden loom]

uhh that looks a bit scuffed

[slim copper]

i guess you're saying it doesnt matter. I should still stay on boss

gaols are whrre the arms war and dhs are

[haughty flicker]

if boss isnt in range of the adds then it isnt in range of the adds

[golden loom]

yeah just stay on boss, I think theres potential to cleave to the bottom jail there anyways

[coral ibex]

the gaols have to be pretty close together

[golden loom]

like with great positioning u can cleave both gaols

[haughty flicker]

your job on mugzee is to hit the boss really hard

caustic cleaving through gaols is a bonus but if they dont play around it then wcyd

[coral ibex]

yea you exist on mugzee for execute

[subtle tundra]

i exist cause im important and appreciated

[haughty flicker]

i exist out of spite

[coral ibex]

other way around

[golden loom]

and if u get flamed, send that picture and point out that the ret paladin is on the boss

[coral ibex]

but yea

[grim jay]

you exist on mugzee because you got slaved into the role of monk

[coral ibex]

varas on monk?

[subtle tundra]

not slaved

[coral ibex]

bro is punching?

[subtle tundra]

lol!

[coral ibex]

shaolin showdown?

[subtle tundra]

it was of my own wanting

[coral ibex]

kung fu panda?

[subtle tundra]

oh yeah i should change my pfp

[subtle tundra]

not anymore, prog is over

[grim jay]

Kung Fu Varas

[slim copper]

punching ass

ok thanks for the feedback guys I'll be back again next week for the next round of roasting ❤️

[grim jay]

ngl tho

how did you survive the stupid animation of FoF?

[subtle tundra]

this wasnt my first monk rodeo

i had m+ title on monk from shadowlands

[grim jay]

yeah well same but I just cant stand FoF anymore

[subtle tundra]

its like pooling for assa

its like pooling after an envenom

(which you dont do, but like if you did)

[slim copper]

or pooling for 1 minute like chad suggested

[grim jay]

pooling arguably doesnt look as stupid as FoF tho

[slim copper]

🤣

one more question... i lied... despite the low ilvl of this ring, is circe's still BiS?

[golden loom]

yes

use these gems tho

also enchant radiant mastery or smthin on ur rings if ur gonna keep sinning

[slim copper]

you mean losing mastery to vers is a bad thing haha

[golden loom]

yeah like we like all stats so cursed taking something is kinda extra awful

[grim jay]

its basically

cursed fr

[slim copper]

now i have about 2k more crit than mastery and signet trinket is kinda useless now no?

and thats with a flask

[grim jay]

signet is as good as it sims for you

[balmy condor]

Long term should get that checked out and get mastery higher again

But yeh, signet/house of cards doesn’t really have much in the way of alternatives

[keen tundra]

With the 4 posionr kingsbane build in m+ do u crimson tempest st

[red schooner]

Nah, if you're running amplifying poison don't crimson in single target

[keen tundra]

Ty

[pearl laurel]

Is it viable to not run VV in raid? Ever since the change I feel like I’ve got worse when using this talent, my dps dropped overall and feel way more down time to pool

[coral ibex]

well you don’t really pool so

[balmy condor]

It’s like 0.7% worse

But yeh, doesn’t change the rotation

[pearl laurel]

Maybe I was playing bad but felt like I was struggling for energy

[slim copper]

so i have a crafted 675 amulet that i can throw mastery/crit on. Is it worth running an embelishment on there if it isnt writhing whatever its called? or just raw dog it

[pearl laurel]

And I play the rotation the exact same

[balmy condor]

The spec does that yeh

[balmy condor]

Should have your two embellishments on the other two crafts

Don’t think there’s something worthwhile on neck

[slim copper]

one is my main hand dagger. The other was a weapon for outlaw before i came to my senses

[balmy condor]

I see

[slim copper]

ill just leave lens on there for now til next week?

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess you could put like ele focus on it or something and then recraft it off later

[slim copper]

cool ok thanks!

[runic hinge]

Why is flying daggers on a choice node with stategem, as if that's ever a reasonable choice

[balmy condor]

For fun I guess

[runic hinge]

kk just checking

[haughty flicker]

One day they’re going to randomly giga buff it and we’ll be playing with 6 cp

[quiet oar]

Where Assa 5CPs build

[haughty flicker]

If only there was anything remotely competitive to replace deeper with

[balmy condor]

Flying daggers so bad even mplussers aren’t cooking it

I mean they did in the past

[subtle tundra]

when stratagem didnt exist

peepee

YOU ARE PEE PEE

im tired whispyr

[balmy condor]

Peepee

Poopoo perhaps?

[subtle tundra]

i wanna eep

but work is the poop

[runic hinge]

WORK IS DA POOP! NO MORE!

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

Varas

are you free