assassination

[spice spire]

I go standard bleed, drop MA pick up IW. Call it an evening

[golden loom]

Based

[spice spire]

No thinky just bleedy

[little tulip]

it's weird prot warrior homie uses spell reflect but it's like moles = blender and not casters = blender

i dunno yeah
called lol

[vapid terrace]

Ironwire with double vanish sometimes saves keys !

[little tulip]

would also like to say hidden opportunity is great hope they buff kir outlaw

nokhud offensive and like all the walking in tyrhold probably made kir look really good in dragonflight

[winged sun]

@spice spire

stats are juicy as hell c uh

[spice spire]

Large

Never thought about stats in my life

[spice surge]

Wrong

[golden loom]

Omg tier 3 looks so good updated

[winged sun]

wrongy

[spice surge]

Gotta avoid crit since it doesnt count for demise

[spice spire]

So real

[normal mist]

Where

[spice spire]

That’s why I accidentally have like 5k more haste

[fleet pagoda]

[winged sun]

L,OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

HOLY SHIT BRO

[golden loom]

Zeros is wearing it in his pic

[winged sun]

[winged sun]

its just me using a 4k monitor

[spice spire]

LMFAO

[golden loom]

Yeah but thats updated

[winged sun]

is it

didnt know

when was it updated

[golden loom]

U dont have og tier 3 from 2006 cuh

[winged sun]

i mean i did get it before the

thingy

uhh

idk

like

before DF

when they made it easy to get

[golden loom]

Yeah

[winged sun]

black market

costed me a shit ton tho

[golden loom]

Its that one, looks good

[wanton spear]

that doesn't look like the og, the og is valorous isn't it and kinda shiny

[golden loom]

Valorous is wotlk

That is classic one just updated pixels

[wanton spear]

ah, jesus i'm old

i should check all my vanilla wow ones to see if they have updated graphics

[golden loom]

I mean ur not that old if you thought the original re-release was the original

[wanton spear]

i had the original original bonescythe, but i also had the tier 7 lol

i kept all my old tier 1-2-3 in my bank lol,

[upper wraith]

I feel like the wording is off on how to use CT in m+ .. is it use CT when they are more then 2 targets or do you press CT on 2 targets in large pulls? lol

[golden loom]

based

[wanton spear]

i think i just liked the remake of the bonescythe armour because it looked like more effort was put in

[spice surge]

If you dont have amplifying poison specced (ie if youre playing the bleed build), you keep CT up always

[sacred schooner]

any idea why people stop running iron wire in m+? ;x they pick sanguine instead

[spice surge]

Sanguine does damage, iron wire does not

[sacred schooner]

but its utility for grp

[spice spire]

Top keys plan all utility out as they’re a premade

[sacred schooner]

esp somewhere like priory

[spice spire]

Pugging in your 12/13 you’re going to need that utility

He’s not saying it’s right he’s just explaining why

[sacred schooner]

ah, okay thanks

[little tulip]

iron wire is good, for example theatre of pain last

mass silence on ghosts without say a vdh or prot pally tank

[cedar elm]

iron no damage wire

[little tulip]

no one has to drop boss target and can cleave

but ye iron wire this season is kinda whatever

[warm vortex]

Sometimes it shines

[wanton spear]

i mean it can be useful for the 15% dmg reduction

[warm vortex]

Priory

[spice spire]

Nah I like iw in quite a few dungeons. Priory, top, cleft, mother lode,

[warm vortex]

And with shitty pug tanks

[little tulip]

we go double left double right on the 2nd boss trash phase

but also yea bomb tonks catching a silence

[spice spire]

Oh also floodgate

[little tulip]

but for sure

[normal mist]

That's normal tier 3

[little tulip]

a lot of pug strats involve rogue the goalie and good enough st/aoe damage to clear, pretty sure that's why i got invited to +12s last season besides being 2.9k n_n

[wanton spear]

i wish they would make fatebound playable

it just looks like a fun spec to play

[dapper cradle]

Fatebound is a really bad tree

0 interaction just pure rng

[little tulip]

our boss damage is honestly okay it's also easier to find a good rogue over a good warrior most days

[golden loom]

ah so it was just a straight re-release they did in DF? looked kinda HD but I guess 😄

[normal mist]

Yep! Nothing changed

Looks as bad as it did in vanilla

Still my favorite set

[fallow canopy]

ok I was convinced I'll try bleed build later tn

[golden loom]

same

[spice spire]

Boomers

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/gru-yes-i-am-gif-24526592

[sharp viper]

mod for #transmog here btw

[warm vortex]

I’m curious is the full set a bad thing

[sharp viper]

No, just a sign of not a lot of originality

[vast shuttle]

best dagger in slot to get in m+?

[golden loom]

only thing that matters is ilvl of dagger

the stats on it are all so small and irrelevant and we like all stats

[sharp viper]

678 ilvl dagger

[warm vortex]

But in its sense isn’t that bad

Because trans is built on creativity

[spice spire]

Because what

[warm vortex]

Quake you know what I mean

[normal mist]

Tbf I had to read it twice

Kekw

[manic quartz]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[normal mist]

I'm not pink anymore... I have evolved.

[spice spire]

No I really don’t

I’m very confused

[grim jay]

We do but its not fixable for the sustained aoe sim to actually do that is what he said, without breaking something else

[warm vortex]

But yea I just feel like full set would be a bad thing

[daring hamlet]

i thought he said that it was a gain in sustained aoe but a loss in dslice

in contrast, we got a loss in both

[normal mist]

I use them all the time

[grim jay]

He said he cant implement it in a good way for both

So he just kept it optimized for dslice

[normal mist]

I can do good cooks @warm vortex but art designers still cook better than me

[warm vortex]

True true

I’m lazy and use sets

[wanton spear]

is it ever worth over capping cp's during cd's? or just send 5+ always i find i never have a 7pnt finisher almost always 5 or 6

[normal mist]

5+

Or 7 for dn

[static glacier]

Whatcha mean by overcapping

[normal mist]

Force 7

[wanton spear]

like your on 5 cp and u force the 7 by hitting even tho it would give 8 and 1 is wasted

[fleet pagoda]

if you're at 5 with a charged CP, you can go to 7 for that happy envenom. but last I knew sending on 5 or 7 was about the same in the long run

[static glacier]

Generally speaking I’d try to follow the rules but occasionally doing that won’t produce a noticeable difference

[wanton spear]

it just is like a feels bad moment during cd's when u hit a 5 point envenom lol

[static glacier]

Why?

You know there’s a lot tied to simply finishing on 5

[wanton spear]

because supercharger feels wasted

[fallow canopy]

Just getting the mark moving is good

[red schooner]

nah you're just getting to the big envenom with darkest night quicker

[static glacier]

If it’s a dn envenom you finish on 7

With or without supercharger

If it’s a non dn envenom would you not want to start building to the next dn instead of overcapping a regular env?

[wanton spear]

so the dn envenom u should overcap on or stay same

[fleet pagoda]

i get what you mean but wouldn't sweat those two cp. don't overthink it brother. just get them envenoms out

if you have a charged CP, same thing on the DN. can send on 5, or 7 if you want big number to hit that brain itch

[wanton spear]

lol gotcha

[static glacier]

Nah

We send on 7 with supercharger

[wanton spear]

i need to get a better wa to track my dn

[static glacier]

I used to do that and whispyr simmed it as a loss

Functionally speaking just ignore supercharger

[wanton spear]

i never pay attention to it even tho i have the proc right on my screen

[red schooner]

Supercharger means nothing, just ignore it.

[static glacier]

It doesn’t change decision making outside of like

[red schooner]

It boosts our finishers but we don't adjust based on it

[static glacier]

Sending a lower cp rupture to not drop uptime

[red schooner]

We just send

[static glacier]

Which shouldn’t happen anyway

[wanton spear]

yea i try to keep 100% up time on rupt and gar which is obv what we do, i need to figure out exactly when to send on mythic rik

i've tried waiting for the first drop and it puts me so far behind everyone with missing all that lust time

[thick juniper]

so bleed for m+ now?

[fleet pagoda]

bleed's good, hybrid's good. whatever you like

[thick juniper]

aight ty

[red schooner]

I don't think you'd miss lust time, you'd just be sending your cooldowns in the later part of lust.

[thick juniper]

bleed build, we keep crimson tempest up on single taget?

[red schooner]

yup

[thick juniper]

ok ty!

[little tulip]

ye hybrid is good enough for 11s and 12s

[spice surge]

Any of the builds is playable anywhere

Ive just gotten enough green from raid, when i go into keys i want to press some red

[spice spire]

Okay but what if you’re red green colorblind

[spice surge]

Im afraid its #outlaw

[chrome harbor]

Do multiple applications of Shiv overwrite each other or do they extend the duration?

[normal mist]

Overwrite

[vast shuttle]

anyone knows drop rate on dagger rookery?

what dungeons even drops dagger?

[spice spire]

I’d never

[fluid vessel]

i have a question on wowhead the bis trinket is from the delves but on bloodmallet it's not that good why ?

[little tulip]

i've seen it once since the season started and the outlaw axe on hero from that dungeon this week

it's not low but be prepared to pug that dungeon if you really really need it

like if you're doing 7s getting 14-16 gilded might as well do a main hand 675

vs 665 hero track dagger

[steel sable]

sims on the nightly ST are telling me more Crit/Mas but, when looking at other higher parsing rogues and even in my raid i see a good bit of haste.

[vast shuttle]

any other dungeons who drop dagger?

[daring hamlet]

oh right I went back and looked at his response... seems like he was able to make changes that allowed sustained aoe to be fixed - but those fixes didn't work for dslice. I'm curious what the changes he made to improve sustained aoe were

[little tulip]

click the red book with the golden skull on it in your hud

and click dungeons

[daring hamlet]

for what?

[grim jay]

nothing

there were no actual changes

he just tried to get the sim to do the stuff you can read in guides

which is the best you can do

but it didnt work out to maintain it on both sim types

[dawn pollen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unborn spindle]

Hey anyone has any useful macros i can use for improve my survivalbility and help with the dmg /burst

[little tulip]

i think motherlode and darkflame cleft have rogue daggers

[daring hamlet]

basically he uses the word "fix" here - was curious what that "fix" was that he attempted

but yeah i see, the stuff in guides just cant be implemented in sims for some reaosn for aoe

thats weird

i do wonder why tthat's the case

[little tulip]

also floodgate but ye odds of getting weapons is rng

might roll 1s or 6s who knows

[normal mist]

You can check all that info in game

[normal mist]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[normal mist]

Basically CDs and Tea macro, nothing else

[spice surge]

As an example:
If you optimize the rotation around 5 target constant cleave you could make it so the sim always applies rupture to any target that doesnt have it.
But then if you introduce a new scenario, where its 1 boss that spawns 5 adds that live for 5 seconds. Now if you had the sim do the same thing it would be really bad since the ruptures dont have the time to do their damage and you would do way more if you spattered an envenom instead

In this example its quite easy to see where its going wrong and to account for that, but a lot of the time when working with way more complicated conditions and scenarios its incredibly hard and time consuming to find whats actually going wrong

[daring hamlet]

is there no like TTK functionality that can be implemented in sims?

to help with this type of scenario

[spice surge]

There is

[unborn spindle]

Should i macro together death mark and kingsbane and tea with shiv ?

[normal mist]

no

[spice surge]

Which is what you would use for this example, and the APL already does this

Im not saying thats the thing thats happening

Im using it as an example

[normal mist]

"Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket" @unborn spindle

also, you can't DM and KB on the same press

[haughty flicker]

well theres also\

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[normal mist]

i linked it above

[unborn spindle]

I am undead so the racial is not relevant

[normal mist]

then don't put the racial there

[haughty flicker]

oh i cant read so that doesnt matter to me

[normal mist]

XDD

[haughty flicker]

imagine reading more than a single sentence before jumping in mid convo

couldnt be me

[normal mist]

i do the same way too often

[unborn spindle]

Just i always messes up the burst so i stay behind 8/10 cases also my survivality is crap while i would press a single def cd i am deax

[latent hazel]

Hey, stupid question : does the APL for Dslice have "resets" between packs? My friend and I are trying to estimate the dps loss of not being able to restealth for sin. Was wondering if we had t oadd custom APL or if DSlice was already not accounting this

[spice surge]

Yes

[normal mist]

Feint more often when you know you'll take dmg

[daring hamlet]

I see, that makes sense. To be clear, i'm in no way queastioning the efforts of whispyr - im genuinely just curious about the specifics of what he was running into

[latent hazel]

ok so we need custom APLs to overide restealth?

[normal mist]

also fucking up your burst is a "go to the dummy and practice" angle

[spice surge]

Iirc last season it was -14% to never vanish or never stealth, but yes

[unborn spindle]

With the dummy fights like vexie i have no problem when its too much thing to avoid im in trouble

[normal mist]

Unfortunately its a "get gud" angle then

[royal lantern]

rude

[normal mist]

there's literally nothing else you can do other than to practice

[spice spire]

I’m literally asking for me

[unborn spindle]

I try

But sometimes i get kicked because of the low dmg other times i am stbthe top half

[normal mist]

Unfortunate.
Are you sure you're doing the right rotations / burst windows?

[static glacier]

yo question

how are we on bandit

(m)

[unborn spindle]

When they dont take the boss away right after i press dm yes is sterted to get used to burst windows and use in more often

[normal mist]

so you can't move and do your rotation at the same time?

[spice surge]

More like 15.5% or so if youre running hybrid

But this is no stealth whatsoever even if you chainpull as much as humanly possible youre still getting plenty of restealths

After every boss, every rp etc

And this doesnt take into account that the dungeon might go faster because youre doing it too

[static glacier]

most of our damage is ct

highkey

[latent hazel]

yes of course, I think it's mainly a "feel bad" effect that creates frustration in pug wen playing rogue

[static glacier]

and that's completely stealth and energy independent

[spice surge]

Ye it feels worse than it is numerically

[static glacier]

losing stealth just guts your gar / rup and to some degree spatter damage

your raw aoe should still be competitive with just ct

[latent hazel]

Thanks for the detailed answers 🙇‍♂️

[haughty flicker]

np

[swift bluff]

If you can’t get into stealth is it ideal to just focus a mob, plant Gar/Rup, apply splatter / CT and slowly spread from there with ruptures and gar when off cd?

My priority is basically
Gar/Rup - 1target
Caustic
FOK to 6-7 CP for Crimson
Gar/Rup in target 2
Envenom
rup to target 3
(Hope at this point pack is nearing death or vanish coming up)

[static glacier]

Depends on how long lived the pack is and if there’s any super important mobs to kill, imo I’d place CT above rupture as first finisher out of stealth if the pack is stacked, if it’s still being gathered I’d rup then ct

It’s a tricky one though, you don’t want to delay DN or CT too much

[swift bluff]

Yea. My first thought is to spread but that’s a good point - sinking my teeth into one target to get DN rolling would be bigger too.

I always get frustrated and panic in my head when I can’t re-stealth. But outside of spreading Gar/Rup, there’s still plenty to ramp back up

[raven crow]

guys, is there any scenario when we stop using siren isle ring on this patch?

[ionic fox]

no

[terse heart]

Any Underpin advice/tips going

[swift bluff]

You have a tank alt?! lol

I keed I keed

[wide gorge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

Refresh conditions on the cycling garrote in the stealth list

Capping it would be atrocious

[daring hamlet]

Why would capping be atrocious? my understanding is that you basically just wanna get ruptures out to cap scent stacks and then go into cd's

getting more than 5 ruptures out seems like a waste?

[rustic wharf]

nub question - do I need to be holding my energy to not burn teas when out of burst rotation? do I need them for burst or ?

[balmy condor]

It’s not about the ruptures it’s the stealth garrotes

[tepid burrow]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[daring hamlet]

ah yeah sorry we were still using garrotes as an efficient builder in ic

[balmy condor]

Neither, we just macro it

[daring hamlet]

just capping ruptures

[rustic wharf]

ever? I'm talking raid boss fights btw if context helps

[balmy condor]

Ever

We macro and forget

[rustic wharf]

kk thanks

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[rustic wharf]

ok so when I get low on energy it burns my tea automatically so I never have them up again, am I burning through my energy too fast?

[runic hinge]

no

[trail socket]

On those really giant pulls, is cycling garrote on most/all targets during IC more worth than fok/envenom spam on a CS target if one FOK will get you 7CP?

This is assuming all other bleeds are up

[runic hinge]

Also why do i have tea on my bars if i never press it? no body knows. Wasting a good hotkey for something ive macro'ed away

[balmy condor]

Depending on how long they will live, yes

[trail socket]

Sick, I had no idea. I will give it a shot in some of our higher keys.

[haughty flicker]

brother im tempted to put tea on my bars just so they dont feel so empty

[runic hinge]

yeah but i have it on F for some reason lol, like that's a good hotkey that I'm not even pressing

[haughty flicker]

oh yeah thats a bit cursed

[runic hinge]

I'm very much a set up my bars and never change them ever kind of guy

[west crown]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[high walrus]

is there any logic to when you get to restealth in m+ trashpacks with nelf racial

sometimes it just doesn't drop combat

[west crown]

be out of range of mobs, be quick on the restealth and it works 99% of the time

[daring hamlet]

my understanding is that garrote in ic is the most efficient builder assa rogue has in terms of the dmg it does - so if mobs will live long enough to get dmg from improved garrote is better than fok

[static glacier]

gar slaps

and fok kinda stinks

[high walrus]

I used to do it mid-hit just hit my castsequence but it was inconsistent so I turned away from mobs and it didn't seem to make a difference

is it better if you physically walk away rather than just turn

[west crown]

yes

you need space

proximity matters

[high walrus]

alright I'll try that thanks

[trail socket]

@daring hamlet @static glacier for sure, I just didn't know if it was better than garrote cycling if FOK got you to 7 CP in one GCD. I just thought the envenom slam into a CS target every other GCD would outweigh the shittiness of pressing FOK

[vast shuttle]

anyone knows if the mechagon dagger is rare?

[daring hamlet]

i think the apl pretty much prioritizes getting spatter up above all else - so even if you're spamming garrotes you can still finish with envenom into a cs target

[static glacier]

the cp gen is big, but the thing with gar is it's 3x gar doing 2x damage

stealth Ic'd gar cranks

super hard

[balmy condor]

just as rare as any other item

[static glacier]

so long as you have targets to gar it's a good global if they'd live

[balmy condor]

erm sir it's 1.5x

[static glacier]

for like 7-8s iirc

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/luntry-gif-26563186

[trail socket]

Yup, will be trying that out. I was still absolutely demolishing in keys, but want to try and push the class as far as I can. Appreciate the input, folks.

[static glacier]

DID U FACTOR IN MASTUR ASSASSIN

jk i stand corrected

either way the button cranks

[vast shuttle]

i will grind it no matter what have 2 red bulls rdy to go

[earnest heron]

do we go bleed build in keys now? i was still usin hybrid build

[daring hamlet]

@balmy condor i assume that's correct whisper - that even with cycling garrotes, the apl will still prioritize getting a cs target setup with a mutilate?

[vivid mulch]

I love assassin rogue in the war within world of warcraft

[static glacier]

both work, pick the one you like more, Ive been bleed the entire patch

[balmy condor]

why are you grinding for a random dagger

[vivid mulch]

how's your st compared to hybrid tho

[subtle kiln]

Be careful the questions you ask

[static glacier]

before the buffs it simmed 1.6 to 1.7

[vast shuttle]

cause my second dagger is shitty

[static glacier]

not simmed it since buffs*

it'll be closer now

[balmy condor]

technically no but it ends up doing it automatically by applying deathstalkers mark after rupture using the ambush in the stealth list

[plucky canopy]

Do we use Magnet only during lingering or on cd?

[balmy condor]

lingering

[plucky canopy]

thx

[static glacier]

never on cd, it would be lingering / if it hits 30stacks and lingering is far

speaking of it how long does it take to max stack?

[plucky canopy]

never had 30 stacks last two bosses and only used last second in lingering

[static glacier]

if it never caps then you'd just send in lingering

[balmy condor]

if you have 0 haste, 3 minutes

[daring hamlet]

so it gets a mark steup with ambush but it wont use mutilate for spatter?

[midnight atlas]

is there any way to make dslice sims faster?

[split willow]

In general do you guys keep mark on hobgoblins in BREW? Them fellers charge around so much

[balmy condor]

well it would once it's done bleeding

[daring hamlet]

kk

[static glacier]

I pref marking casters

[balmy condor]

assassination omegalul

[midnight atlas]

i've started to like it, feels the most polished out of all rogue specs

[static glacier]

other two have bandaids for sure

sub most of all imo

[balmy condor]

also for what it's worth with your rupture capping thing that you did, it technically already does that both in the stealthed list and the aoe dot list

[uneven plume]

Absolutely. Hobgoblin is prio. Everything around them are critters

And you make them charge to the closest wall. Having them charge far is bad mechanics

[copper mural]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shadow token]

sucks bc i love sub conceptually and have been playing it but with how sin is scaling.. seems pointless. also tried sin first time in ages and it's so much easier and less clunky

[hardy rapids]

Thats what im fucking saying. sub is so cool conceptually but feels so ASS to play

[static glacier]

flurry and just slapping buffs on bp and pretending it's ok

is lame

both hero trees make pressing BP feel awful

[shadow token]

yea the way the cd windows work is clunky. nothing lines up nicely

[hardy rapids]

the 90 second was a good change but everything else doesnt line up if I recall correctly?

[grim jay]

would be quite weird if the cd planning spec had no cd planning going bcs stuff just lines up whatever you do

[shadow token]

90s is great, but the dance, symbols windows and charges is kinda lame

and how you need to hold symbols for timing against sectec just makes the double dance in cds with weird symbols overlap just strange

not strange it just doesn't feel good

[hardy rapids]

yeah you really shouldnt have to "plan" things out in advanced its a bit lame. Especially when the entire spec is based around that. skill expression shouldnt come from being able to line things up.

[grim jay]

I dont see any of what you just said

[grim jay]

brother its the spec

[shy axle]

was it a meme or the truth when whispyr said that bleed st is the same/better than hybrid right now?

[grim jay]

its what its about

its just not for you

[hardy rapids]

yeah exactly. thats the problem lol

just because "its the spec" doesnt mean it works well or feels good

[haughty flicker]

no meme

[grim jay]

if it doesnt for you it also doesnt mean it needs to be changed

[quasi coyote]

i mean sub feels great when in cds

[grim jay]

there are quite some specs I dont like conceptually

[quasi coyote]

thats it tho

[grim jay]

and I dont want them changed

[shadow token]

wym, you have to hit your second dance in first symbols, then symbols mid dance when sectec has <10 sec and then symbols bleeds into nothing or you have a solo symbols charge without dance. it's wonky

[hardy rapids]

just because you dont want them changed doesnt mean it shouldnt be changed

I can use the same argument

[grim jay]

yeah but yours is wonky

[hardy rapids]

so is yours

[grim jay]

because others enjoy the spec

[hardy rapids]

its the least played melee spec in the game

[shadow token]

a lot of us enjoy the spec but still wish it wasnt wonky

[grim jay]

and rogue is the least played class in the game

so?

[haughty flicker]

i like big sectec

[shy axle]

i miss df s1 and 2 sub

[quasi coyote]

big sectec good and big feeling in enemy damage time

[shadow token]

is that with dfa opener into dance?

amber?

[hardy rapids]

its got like no players. less than 1.6% if I recall, clearly it isnt rogue as a whole when all other rogue players gravitate towards the two other specs

you can admit your spec has a lot of downsides while saying you like it

there is no shame in that

[shy axle]

no it was 1 sd charge and gloomblade with the extra shadow dmg after dance

[haughty flicker]

generator gaming

[shadow token]

ohh ya gloomblade

[hardy rapids]

agreed

[grim jay]

the spamy nobrainer version

that felt like outlaw

[grim jay]

its not even that

[shy axle]

yeah

so much energy

[hardy rapids]

yeah it was a little too simple

[shadow token]

i'm still playing sub bc it's more fun to me, but if sin scales up even better, at some point, it's just easier to play ez spec and do more dmg

[fallow canopy]

I simmed and at least for my character it is around 2.5% better in st

[high walrus]

outlaw playrate would 3x if they used daggers too

[hardy rapids]

I've been playing sin just because I like DOTs and poisons. I'll stick with it forever. we're just different sides of the same coin. comfortable with our specs

[grim jay]

depends on gear, its the same for many

[hardy rapids]

im sure if I had a ton of time in sub I'd feel the same way you do

oops youre the wrong person lol.

[shadow token]

yea i mean i dont do mythic raiding anymore, so i don't have to be min maxer, and in my heroic group my sub dmg is just fine. but for higher keys seems like it's leaning sin almost necessary

[grim jay]

I dont even play sub most of the time

I played sin the most in the last years

sin always had the more likeable concept

peak sub gameplay for me was HFC

[spice surge]

I mean theres some stuff they could do to make it easier

[midnight atlas]

i played sin first time in SL with frost shards and giga 70% crit build. felt really nice

[hardy rapids]

I liked season 3 DF the most for sub. Shadowdust was fun.

[spice surge]

💀

[hardy rapids]

WAIT HOLD ON LEMME EXPLAIN

it was just fun to do LOL

[spice surge]

Aint no way bro complains about sub being convoluted when he says he liked dust more

[haughty flicker]

lmfao

[hardy rapids]

I KNOW HAHAHA

[midnight atlas]

sub peaked in shadowlands

[balmy condor]

unironically this was the only patch since I started in warlords of draenor where I did not play assassination at all

[haughty flicker]

lmao

i dont think i played sin until the df rework ngl

i was unfortunately an outlaw gamer before then

[hardy rapids]

same here

[balmy condor]

I did one reclear with frost shards on assa, missed 12 crits in a row, parsed blue

[royal lantern]

that was the patch where i played almost full time outlaw

[hardy rapids]

I played outlaw from legion->SL and then all 3 in DF

[balmy condor]

and then swapped back to sub immediately

[royal lantern]

SL was my outlaw time man

[midnight atlas]

yeah sub was meta, i played sin only after prog and when i could upgrade other shards.

[haughty flicker]

sl was a fun time to play outlaw

[balmy condor]

wasn't about meta

[haughty flicker]

kyrian shadowdust outlaw is still one of my favorite specs in the game

[balmy condor]

I played sin on smolderon

[royal lantern]

sl outlaw was so good

then DF happend and now its shit

[hardy rapids]

SL was so fun for outlaw

[balmy condor]

it's just frost shards are so giga shit lmao

I could not stand those things

[royal lantern]

stupid vanish BtE gameplay stuff

[subtle kiln]

Just crit bruh

[balmy condor]

was the most RNG the spec has ever been

[royal lantern]

and killing spree

lol

[midnight atlas]

i wish they werent so pussycats and let us use those shards in m+

[royal lantern]

just highroll your cds and crit with the frost shard effect bro????

[hardy rapids]

that was some of the most fun I had in the entire time I've played

[midnight atlas]

maybe in SL classic

[hardy rapids]

YIPPIE!

[haughty flicker]

ok but fr though when do they give up on classic

[hardy rapids]

they dont

[haughty flicker]

like mop classic would already kind of be pushing it

[midnight atlas]

classic will be very awkward during WOD lol

[haughty flicker]

but wod classic

BFA CLASSIC

[hardy rapids]

wod classic is gonna be giga shit

[midnight atlas]

i want to play bfa classic i heard cool stuff about corruptions

[royal lantern]

when there is no interest

and that probs wont happen because WoD/SL biggest problems where literally the release shedule

[hardy rapids]

corruptions were so fun in everything but pvp

[haughty flicker]

ngl

[hardy rapids]

it made pvp AWFUL

[haughty flicker]

now that the no changes crowd is gone

[royal lantern]

like, if WoD is not "1year HFC lol" its kinda allright

same with SL

[haughty flicker]

wod classic could actually be a banger

[midnight atlas]

i wanted to do some pvp a few days ago, met a ret pala who turned on the lagswitch at 10%. eta gg i turned WM off

never again

[haughty flicker]

dont let whispyr see you talking about corruptions

hide quick

[hardy rapids]

-GULPS-

[lusty surge]

Speaking of RNG, remember subs tier set being true RNG on shadow blades procs?

[midnight atlas]

i mean paladin teleporting on screen like he's doing killing sprees and doing same dps

[hardy rapids]

wpvp can feel so lame but rbgs are FUN

[lusty surge]

I had a pull on halondrus with 3 minutes of consecutive shadow blades once, it was crazy

[hardy rapids]

HUH

[balmy condor]

my second least favorite version of the spec right after frost shards

[midnight atlas]

whats your favourite one ?

[hardy rapids]

DF season 3 was SUPER fun in my opinion for assa

[royal lantern]

i liked BfA S1 assa and DF S3 Assa the most i gues?

[hardy rapids]

I liked the tier set even if it wasnt anything crazy

[midnight atlas]

yeah that one was cool

[hardy rapids]

sub had assa had some really cool df s3 tier sets

[fallen charm]

love how infinite stars are now finite stars, half a dozen to be exact

[midnight atlas]

6 stars at most, thats all we can do

[fallen charm]

take it or leave it

[royal lantern]

hey, thats was my BfA corruption experience with it

[onyx linden]

Does any other class have numbing poison effect where it would be better to use atropic in m+? I forgot

[royal lantern]

warlock weakening curse and iirc frost dk has a attackspeed slow

but like

numbing is so much better in m+ Overall

less tank dmg by a noticable amlunt, easier kicks

[onyx linden]

yeah

[balmy condor]

they also stack lmao

[onyx linden]

oh really? damn okay

[royal lantern]

atrophic is mostly a cope with "yeha but i NEED this 3% dr to not get 1hit killed!!!!"

[balmy condor]

only time you don't run numbing would be a second rogue running numbing

that doesn't stack

[rustic wharf]

I've been using atrophic in raid and numbing in m+, I thought that was the way to go

[royal lantern]

^

[balmy condor]

but unique effects across class do stack

[royal lantern]

it is

atrophic is your raid buff

but its not really good in m+

[midnight atlas]

yeah numbing is great

high keys atrophic becomes useful

like 14+ i would say

[balmy condor]

I mean why though

[royal lantern]

nah lol

[balmy condor]

what makes that the breakpoint

[rustic wharf]

does numbing do anything in raid though? like if there are 2 rogues in raid is it worth swapping

[midnight atlas]

you hit those "oh if i had 1% more vers here i would've lived" and you enter m+ pusher andy brain

[fair quest]

How do you refresh deathmark on a target if youre out of stealth

[royal lantern]

when you stay at 3% hp from 100% hp with a active deffensive ofc

[balmy condor]

it slows boss attack speed

[balmy condor]

darkest night

[balmy condor]

true

[fair quest]

ty

[balmy condor]

those situations where I get overkilled by 358 damage

[royal lantern]

very common

[golden loom]

Died from 100% hp cause I didnt get a poison proc gg

[midnight atlas]

its healer's fault anyway

[balmy condor]

but yeh idk, atrophic isn't bad or anything like it's fine

but numbing provides so much more mitigation

[lean plover]

whispyr how bad is it dropping lethal dose for iw?

[balmy condor]

horrible lmao

lethal dose is one of the best talents on the tree

[static glacier]

dashing scoundrel when it was good

[golden loom]

Never heard that suggestion before tho

[balmy condor]

you're like the 3rd person to ask me in 2 days

I'm scared

[royal lantern]

bro, my feelcrafting says that i NEED 29% vers to survive in keys past +15 and atrophic lets me drop that to 26%vers and i can instead get 3% mastery and thats a 200000% dmg increase because Mastery/Crit is BiS in m+ and whisp is a clueless stinky that doesnt even have a m+ title and ofc cant understand it

[golden loom]

Wait really

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

yea

[lean plover]

i saw someone do it and i pleaded for them not to do it

but i wasnt sure if i was right

[balmy condor]

the guide says what should be dropped for iron wire

[lean plover]

guide also includes a bis list 😛

[midnight atlas]

just dont play iron wire, most people dont know we have it anyway

[golden loom]

I play ironwire for my own peace of mind

[midnight atlas]

what should i drop to get intent to kill ?

[golden loom]

I dont think about my teammates

[golden loom]

BASED

[balmy condor]

it has to

[golden loom]

Intent to Enjoy

[balmy condor]

trust me I've tried getting rid of it

but like all the actual written sections are just me

[lean plover]

yeah ive seen people pass on a whole track upgrade (hero>myth) bc it had the "wrong" stats

[balmy condor]

I know

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[midnight atlas]

probably had haste + vers on it

[haughty flicker]

sure its 20 ilvls higher but it has vers haste

i dont want that shit

[golden loom]

I do not want outlaw loot

[midnight atlas]

if its a ring tbh i can pass on it

[royal lantern]

our mw monk is doing that rn

he has 3 mythic track pieces but doesnt se them becase "i would need to catalye them and then they have the wrong stats"

idk how that even makes sense

some guys are just exceptionaly stupid

[balmy condor]

unironically I think this version of a "bis" list is actually useful

[lean plover]

idk how people have piece of mind doign that

[balmy condor]

but we fucking hide that list

in the bowels of the guide

very cool

[timber meadow]

numbing sounds better if you're not running into unavoidable one shots but atrophic is obv gonna prevent more dmg party-wide to unavoidable stuff

[golden loom]

Whispyr there is a solution to that, start calling that section the pre-bis

You will attract all the classic enjoyers

And boost metrics

[haughty flicker]

at least you can perma farm the dungeon bis

so like if you want to go that way its an obtainable goal

[timber meadow]

especially in pugs though, numbing is sick if you can slow casts down, help your tank not get punched as much all that

[balmy condor]

I'm kissing myself

[golden loom]

Pre-raid BIS assa rogue wow tww

[balmy condor]

I love it

so incredible

[haughty flicker]

new meta

[midnight atlas]

lol pre raid, like farm delve do m0 and install bigwigs?

[vivid mulch]

Do we CT bosses in m+ on bleed build?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[midnight atlas]

for bleed yes

[vivid mulch]

alr

[haughty flicker]

ct is your friend

embrace it

[vivid mulch]

full combo points?

[haughty flicker]

as you would a loved one

same finisher rules as eveyrthing else

[vivid mulch]

fair

[cerulean nest]

in the ST build I feel so energy starved during standalone KB

[midnight atlas]

cant wait for next season to get more crit. i go into a pack, do FoN and get 2 cp

[cerulean nest]

the single tea helps a little but after a few globals im barely able to build to an env

[balmy condor]

THE BEST FOR MY BEES

[midnight atlas]

Hot honey, coming up

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[spice spire]

My goat fr

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-bee-damned-bee-i'll-be-damned-shrimple-its-as-shrimple-as-that-gif-9456218215943143153

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bee-bruh-gif-4580763730124008555

[spice spire]

What if instead of benk buzzbee he was benk freakbee

And instead of barrels of honey they were barrels of oil

[dapper cradle]

Barrels of nut

[golden loom]

Bee Diddy party

[spice spire]

And instead of honey marinade he oiled you up

[keen spruce]

Marinade

[spice spire]

Listen dog

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

I’m in auto correct prison

[runic hinge]

[midnight atlas]

called him diddy buzzbee

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

b...barrels?

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[red schooner]

Wait no-

[midnight atlas]

i think nut spoils fast you can't keep it in barrel

[spice spire]

Do u not

[spice spire]

I age that shit with oak

For the cum connoisseurs

[balmy condor]

I see richard every time I close my eyes

I can never be free

[spice spire]

Dick vibes? The man himself?

[red schooner]

Nah its fine if we can kill richard with 2 sin rogues then its fine barrels aren't an issue.

Conversation over we're free now

[spice spire]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[dapper cradle]

Dreamgrove mods are crazy man. I got invited to one of their personal disc servers and they have channels with just straight raw bussy pics of themselves

[red schooner]

nah its fine we're free now

[balmy condor]

Dickolas Echo himself

[spice spire]

They knew u were a real gooner

[spice spire]

Does this mean he’s racist or

[dapper cradle]

I just wanted to key

[pulsar dirge]

my mutilate got replaced with ambush and i had to fan on knives for the whole fight , tit vanished from the spellbook Wtf.

[keen spruce]

Surprised by druids being degenerates

[midnight atlas]

is that druid discord?

[keen spruce]

Ye

[red schooner]

ye

[dapper cradle]

Yep

[spice spire]

Yeah I mean I think the worst one here is just

Feet pics the discord

[keen spruce]

Dreamgoon

Goongrove?

[balmy condor]

[dapper cradle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747561446539395205/1225450138269519923/4x.gif

Courtesy of whisp

[balmy condor]

yes sir

we got the glorpfeet in 4k

[midnight atlas]

dayum. here we get corrected for gameplay mistakes and they have underground OF there

[dapper cradle]

yeah I won't name names

but it's one of the DG purple name mods

[balmy condor]

okay but are they hot

[haughty flicker]

[red schooner]

proof that druids are weird. Like, we can't read basic information but at least we're semi-normal.

[dapper cradle]

bussy was pristine ngl

gotta recognize game

[balmy condor]

based tbh

[midnight atlas]

dont know if i should reroll or not

[rough oyster]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[midnight atlas]

all o u went to join dreamgroove and stoped talking here, u got caught

lol

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/abort-mission-press-button-press-it-gif-13456843

[spice spire]

Absolutely not.

[spice spire]

Knew thyme was a freak fr

[raven hill]

Holy cow there's like a different build for each dungeon. Rogue players really are the highest apm/iq players 😂

I'm getting overwhelmed. Thought I was gonna chill and garrote some mobs.

[astral current]

do we use tea on each shiv during kingsbane?
or only at last 6-7 seconds as it used in sim

[balmy condor]

is there?

you just play the same everywhere tbh

[astral current]

whispyr answer me

[balmy condor]

you macro to shiv

[astral current]

aight cool thx

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[raven hill]

Well what is the cookie cutter build? Outside of maybe ToP. I just wanna do fat dps on decent sized pulls.

[astral current]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzmxsNDAAAAAAttNzMYmxYmZWmlxYwMzMzgZmZzyYGgNzyADYJYZYCMsMA

[thorn thorn]

Explain pls

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cat-meow-meowmeow-confused-gif-8057852975940592422

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-cooper-bbt-sleep-i-dont-need-sleep-gif-5115394

[warm vortex]

I mean

Whats there to asnwer

He just tamed a ret pally and feral druid

[timber meadow]

eye builds super fast in M+? Like I go from 0 stacks to 20 in roughly 3 min? looking at the zoomed in portion of the graph

[balmy condor]

that's not really all that fast

but yes

it takes 3 min to stack generally

[timber meadow]

oh people were saying like 7 min for raid

prob misunderstood

[balmy condor]

people are SIMMING 7 min for raid

[dapper cradle]

"builds really fast"

shows 4 min timeline

[balmy condor]

cause it looks kinda shit on 5 min sims

cause it takes 3 min to ramp

[timber meadow]

i see, okay

yeah idk everyone i got to max it dropped super quick, might run something else

everytime*

[raven hill]

So with that aoe build, do we save the one shiv we have for the 8 second kingsbane window?

[fringe spear]

dreamgrove chatters are sus real

[balmy condor]

yep, it sucks ass in m+\

[balmy condor]

if you're running with 1 charge you should have it for the end of kingsbane yes

[empty tide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[timber meadow]

yeah like it doesn't have to suck in M+ but seems like it does in most keys

if you hvae a god tank that can chain super well and you're just perma in combat could be cracked but gl

[heady drum]

just get a good tank to chain pull the entire thing

[timber meadow]

like honestly in cinderbrew it could be good, that dungeon is prone to staying in combat anyway

[fallow notch]

Guys with Junkmaestro, whats optimal stacks to use it?

[balmy condor]

you use it during lingering

[heady drum]

just send in the buff after deathmark is over

[timber meadow]

you wanna see the most painchamp thing you've ever seen? misclicked in ML first pull

[heady drum]

i have a disease in m+ where i only use dm on bosses

[timber meadow]

really? feel likie you just send it iono

[balmy condor]

that's why it's a disease

he's terminal

[timber meadow]

(just not a rowdy reveler) xD

bros have so little health they dont even show up on mdt

[thorn thorn]

[timber meadow]

i kinda had a similar thing with kb but mostly cuase of M+ timings get real weird

just started sending it , like if i send it when dm has 30s left... good chance they synch up anyway 🤷‍♂️

[heady drum]

click dm on a big target, everyone chooses that target, its dead in 4 seconds

[thorn thorn]

Low key issue

[heady drum]

yeah im a low skill player

[thorn thorn]

When you get to higher keys they live longer

[heady drum]

i would hope so

but im not leaving the 10-11 range for the foreseeable future, m+ is not very enjoyable

[timber meadow]

this season is much more enjoyable than previous imo

[thorn thorn]

Some people just dont like M+ which is fine

I dont like raiding

Shit makes me sleepy

[kindred cobalt]

dry shiv stills a dps increase?

[timber meadow]

yeah its fine

[knotty spade]

Hi, someone have maybe WA which one count enemy in range and also counts garrote/rupture on these ?

[limber lion]

I'm sure someone has one yeah

But you definitely do not need anything like that

[last skiff]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[royal lantern]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

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[robust light]

Where can i post for a log review?

[limber lion]

Here

[robust light]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FBpzALb24nmgh9jM?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=80 anything standing out to improve on this?

i sim about 2m dps on a 5min fight without shaman buff. which were the factors of that kill

[austere flame]

anyone else feelin energy stravd during st?

[balmy condor]

everyone in fact, yes

[robust light]

is dry shiv mentioned in the guide?

so i can read into it

[red schooner]

Yup

Rotation section near the bottom

[keen tundra]

does the bleed build play well in 12s? i feel like the boss damage is pretty bad

[coral ibex]

there are really no m+ focused builds that have good boss damage

that's just how it is

you'd have to sacrifice a lot of aoe damage to get more ST damage

[heady drum]

just log on outlaw and press flurry

[timber meadow]

assa st in keys is middle of the road, it shouldn't be like atrocious though, unless you're playing with like really good meta class players but you prob aren't in 12s. Bleed build has prob your best st out of the two common builds

[royal lantern]

thats assa

your boss dmg wont be big no matter what you play in m+

[modest apex]

is there a point to crafting a third slot after weapon + boots

[shy axle]

ilvl gain

crests are not lost, would have upgraded either way

[modest apex]

so its not a loss on crests when you eventually get myth track right?

[shy axle]

its free until 675 then. Myth drops at 662 right or am i making the number up

you`ll pay the 60 crests either way

so just go for your worst slot if you got two already, droptomizer it

[balmy condor]

it's technically 1 upgrade worse

like for example if you craft a second dagger (do not do that), and you then get a dagger from rik

the rik dagger going to 678 is 60 crests

the craft is 675 and 60 crests

so you do "lose" crests technically

but the short term gain is pretty strong

[dapper cradle]

Wait what really

[balmy condor]

lot of people crafting neck

[dapper cradle]

It’s not just a 15 crest difference?

If you have double 675 crafted

[modest apex]

true have to account for gear not dropping at myth track 1 (662)

[balmy condor]

it is a 15 crest difference

that's what I'm saying

[shy axle]

ty for correcting

[fathom minnow]

yo whis,
imagine you playin tournament on assa rogue starting from 7 to 15 keys. (tgp format)
is your overall BIS gear list actual for it?

(on tournament realm u can get any max ilvl item in game)

[modest apex]

so you would recommend neck crafting?

[balmy condor]

you can get myth track, upgrade it to max for 60, or craft to 675 for 60 and then get myth track and spend another 15 to max

[dapper cradle]

Sim it ilia

[balmy condor]

so it's -15 crest

[dapper cradle]

Ah I got it

[balmy condor]

but yeh neck is really good

[fathom minnow]

i mean this one

[spice surge]

Its only worse if you get loot from raid bosses

[dapper cradle]

Makes sense

[spice surge]

Loot from vault is always 662

[red schooner]

bis lists are a lie

[balmy condor]

no

[fathom minnow]

i dont know where to start, there are so many items here 🫠

[runic hinge]

Just get ilvl

[red schooner]

sim your character, equip bigger number

gg

[balmy condor]

if you don't know where to start you grab max ilvl and then get crit/mast

[red schooner]

But there's a stupid amount of combinations within a fraction of a % of each other

so its just

idk do what you want

[balmy condor]

and then you either stop giving a shit or you become the m+ optimizer final boss and sim a billion useless sims

and then make some cooked feelcraft decision

because you create a delusional reality in your head where +0.2% in 1 target 3 min cleave add if you get a deathmark at 32% hp means you speed the key up by like 3 microseconds

if you get to that level

[keen spruce]

I feel attacked

[balmy condor]

then you are truly an m+ player

[fathom minnow]

Also, i wonder what spec would be the most efficient. Like you have to push 7 to 10. 10 to 13. And 13 to 15-16.
I'll play with udk and deva in comp.

assa is my love, but idk, probably bleed build

[runic hinge]

Bleed is just better

Embrace it

[thorn thorn]

You are forgetting the most important part

[dapper cradle]

3 chesting a 13

[runic hinge]

[shy axle]

nearly got 4mil overall in 11 floodgate i am happy

[thorn thorn]

Malding at the tank cuz they didnt give you a restealth so you can do 0.1% more dps on the pull and speed up the key by 4 nano seconds

[dapper cradle]

Fake news

Restealths almost double sin damage

[worn marsh]

triple actually

[royal lantern]

5x actually

[haughty flicker]

if i dont get a restealth i jump out the window irl

[dapper cradle]

That’s only with double vanish

[haughty flicker]

and sprint naked to the tanks house

[royal lantern]

real

[subtle kiln]

Mald at the chain pulling not happening with mobs at 40%

[balmy condor]

malding at the tank cuz they didn't give you a restealth, the tank is tired of you being a shithead rogue no one wants to play with and just giving you the restealths, and then coming into ravenholdt to mald that insert streamer is doing like 400k more than you without restealths and you're so confused and lost because you have 0 understanding of how anything works

[spice spire]

Funny you say this

[haughty flicker]

dont call me out like this

[subtle tundra]

copy others

[haughty flicker]

god damn

[spice spire]

Because I’m about to slander @deft sluice irl

[dapper cradle]

Streamer did more damage because he simmed 10 min 7 target hectic add cleave and optimized his gear

[thorn thorn]

So fucking real

[spice spire]

(He’s not a rogue)

[thorn thorn]

Dog shy

[dapper cradle]

You’re friends with Ion

[spice spire]

Ye

[dapper cradle]

Bet ion’s a freak

[red schooner]

malding at the tank because the tank thinks they're chain pulling but they're just leaving one straggler mob up the entire time is fine though right?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[red schooner]

okay sweet

[balmy condor]

that's not chaining

that's just lack of awareness

[thorn thorn]

I have no idea how to properly chain pull but im also not a tank player

I just heal and dps

[red schooner]

main danger mob in a pack dies, rest of the pack poses little threat, take them to next pack

[balmy condor]

so like you know how everyone bitches that a mob explodes in 5 seconds from cds

you do that to a big important mob

and then pack no scary

so you pull next pack

[waxen oyster]

I just let everything die

because my tank dps cds arent up yet

[shadow token]

how does this work in slots like weapon or just upgrades in general for rings/trinket. you have to upgrade two separate rings to max before an additional one is free for crests?

had swapped a crafted slot for non crafted and it still required crest to upgrade which kind of blew my mind lol

[waxen oyster]

Thats how it works for rings and weapons

except warriors can only upgrade 1 2h

[shadow token]

yea that makes sense. can't game the system

[waxen oyster]

The recraft bug got patched so no you cant

[dapper cradle]

You can cheese the rings

With siren ring

[spice surge]

me when i bop the shreddinator for 30M

[deft sluice]

Bro

[dapper cradle]

[balmy condor]

people been saying sudden demise pops are pad

but unironically I've been saying that with a good tank

you actually just chain faster and faster

[spice surge]

But singular focus so it cant be pad

[waxen oyster]

might be coping but i feel i get bigger singular focus numbers as bleed

[turbid harbor]

is there any secret tech to spattering the goons on mugzee

other than standing right next to the cage

[dapper cradle]

Spattering the goons

[spice surge]

They have to be placed well

Both tanks and the cages

Not much you can do

[waxen oyster]

Why do some rls still think its good for rogue to go into the gaol

though

[spice surge]

Idk

Theyre just wrong

you do more hitting the boss

[keen spruce]

I did this in DF

[waxen oyster]

Idk I find i just get more and more annoyed

by the average RL

[runic hinge]

He’s dm leaking time to block him

[waxen oyster]

Worst is RLs who think calling random nonsense mechanics

isnt vocal noise

[spice spire]

He could never block me

[runic hinge]

Could he out freak you tho?

[spice spire]

He wishes

[dapper cradle]

Quake pov when someone asks if they can outfreak him

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

any flat rating

flasks are flat rating

[lean plover]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

they don't give a % value :P

[static glacier]

I think the thing is

We as people who care more about the spec want to do max damage

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/fantastic-four-the-thing-hand-punch-fight-punch-gif-8895706227822446332

[static glacier]

While rls will ignore individual minmaxes and try to look at the bigger picture

Which is why we get told to switch on ricardo vibrations

[coral ibex]

!richard

[static glacier]

Despite it being wildly suboptimal

[prisma monolith]

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[waxen oyster]

It's almost like

[static glacier]

[waxen oyster]

you could tell your ranged

to do their job correctly

[thorn thorn]

Name a more iconic duo than raid leads and making stupid calls

[coral ibex]

swapping for a few wipes will prove the point

[waxen oyster]

joining an m+ key and the lead's egirl priest gf being dead on cd

[static glacier]

The irony is the other side will look at class minmaxers like they’re parse monkeys right

[coral ibex]

if an assa rogue swapping targets is the difference maker your ranged are turbo griefing

[thorn thorn]

Real

[coral ibex]

there’s no other explanation

[static glacier]

The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle

[thorn thorn]

There is no sweet spot really

[static glacier]

Where we give up dam for prog when needed but they respect what we can and can’t do

[thorn thorn]

Certain specs cant do certain things

[waxen oyster]

I mean im looking at it from the pov of

[thorn thorn]

And if you try to force them to do it

[hoary remnant]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[waxen oyster]

If you're doing giga suboptimal shit

play a better class/spec for it.

[thorn thorn]

Not only are you stupid as fuck you are just uneducated

[runic hinge]

Real

[thorn thorn]

That leaves 3 options

Have people reroll for boss, make it work, or bench

[waxen oyster]

This is why you run a roster of not only 20 people.

[subtle kiln]

Almost like you’re playing a class with 3 dps options. Adjust for the encounter.

[static glacier]

The issue is if we hardline we’re just asking for bench right?

[static glacier]

Or this

[thorn thorn]

Pretty much yeh

Sin shouldnt do good damage to barrels, you just spatter cleave

[static glacier]

Any ways I find raidleaders tend to listen if they’re good people

[hybrid storm]

So guys i have a question if i use the Mister Lock N stalk trinket which proc is better mass destruction or Precision blasting? talking about pure m+

[static glacier]

And most are good people

[thorn thorn]

If you do more than your ranged they are mega griefers

[waxen oyster]

Tbf all 3 rogue specs benefit from not going to bumfuck to hit barrels

[coral ibex]

sub is perfectly happy to swap tho

[subtle kiln]

Outlaw can zip back and forth zero issue

[coral ibex]

they can hold cds easily

[waxen oyster]

You still lose damage since technically

[haughty flicker]

you'd still rather use your cb sectec on boss

[subtle kiln]

Sub can step zero issue

[waxen oyster]

you arent cleaving boss wit hthem

[static glacier]

Fazed downtime

[waxen oyster]

outlaw probably suffers the least yeah

as long as you dont have AR running during intermission

[subtle kiln]

just kill the adds and go back. lol dead boss more important than a parse on prog

[static glacier]

Real gameplay is letting killing spree take the wheel

[waxen oyster]

like if you never roll on stix

[runic hinge]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

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[waxen oyster]

imo outlaw would be best spec on that boss

[subtle kiln]

outlaw is the best spec on 7 of the bosses

[static glacier]

I think sin is better

We do better boss dam

[waxen oyster]

i mean if your ranged are dog at killing crabs

[static glacier]

On stix

[balmy condor]

Well m+ is mostly aoe, and the aoe on the trinket is more damage than the single target obviously, so would probably say use the aoe

[hybrid storm]

thx

[waxen oyster]

tbf wouldnt doubt it

And not just because the sample size of outlaw players is like

[static glacier]

I wonder why rwf didn’t play it

[waxen oyster]

darva/lok/a few other super dedicated players

only

[static glacier]

Xd

[subtle kiln]

Can you imagine 90apm for 15 hours?

[static glacier]

They can manage fire

They can handle OL

[subtle kiln]

fucking kill me

[waxen oyster]

i might play on farm

once more gear options open up