assassination

[real pike]

Why are you not giving me the answer I want

[solid pilot]

helped a lot

[runic hinge]

Name plates just suck in this game and have never gotten better

[solid pilot]

yup

and when dh pulls

in priory

i barely see the healing add

[balmy condor]

Well what’s the answer you want

[solid pilot]

well that was before i got the plater

[dawn kelp]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[solid pilot]

and besides, hard to find blood elf female

when she's tiny

and thin

ahh sin and target swaping

never changed

btw seaforium is fuckin good trinket

even tho it gives around 3%

[tall atlas]

it is but i hate it

[solid pilot]

yes

I would like the core amplifier actually

[tall atlas]

it makes me have more crit than mastery on pull so when i send signet i get a crit buff

[solid pilot]

ahh

i got galy ring

so it pulls through

[tall atlas]

so ive had to start thistle teaing before sending so i get mastery

which is fucking with my muscle memory

[solid pilot]

Thankfully i dont have that problem

since i got around 22k mastery ?
i think

no sorry i lied

i had 2 times

with archano aplifier XD

• priory

it rised my crit

and priory did same

[novel dragon]

!stix

[tall atlas]

even with tea if i have the wrong ring on i ger crit

[solid pilot]

thankfully i droped from gallywinx ring

and after they fixed it

its really good

[tall atlas]

do you have it hc

is it worth it on normal

[solid pilot]

just normal

got it 1st week

and atm sims show its bettert

than 665

hero track crit/mast

well 6k mastery

ithats a lot

besides

it works really well

with circe

wonder how much ill sim on dungeon slice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nL3kPuDoeipJ4dZtAsy9Lt

[real pike]

Something along the lines of "no it is absolutely imperative you restealth between packs given the higher emphasis on bleed damage and you can tell all the tanks that don't allow you to that Whispyr thinks they're considerably mentally challenged"

Would suffice

[solid pilot]

all rogues need to restealth

[real pike]

This guy gets it

[nova kelp]

*Whispyr thinks nearly everyone is considerably mentally challenged and he's right
fixed it

[solid pilot]

XDDDD

[real pike]

Does he include himself in that

[solid pilot]

no, coz he's right

even if he's wrong

xD

[balmy condor]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[balmy condor]

The last point is specifically for you

😘

[dawn heath]

yep bugged

ggggg

[real pike]

Awh I feel so special

[sonic zinc]

ive had to tell so many tanks that idc about restealths its insane

[solid pilot]

never worked

for DH

[dawn heath]

i recommend playing night elf if u pug keys

[solid pilot]

tanks

[dawn heath]

double vanish and shadowmeld makes restealths almost a non issue

[sonic zinc]

like stop waiting for me, think of the timer

[solid pilot]

horde for life

[nova kelp]

I'd say "it's imperative to restealth in any situation you CAN" lol but that's about it

[solid pilot]

well i just

kil the last mob

and go oposite way of team

and i get out of combatr

quick restealth

and go

[coral ibex]

how do you check that

[real pike]

The first point also applies to me which is why I find it so frustrating

[solid pilot]

outlaw needs to

stealth

otherwise he will struglg

with dps

to keep adrenaline as long as possible

[coral ibex]

found it

/run a=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(3132) print("You have earned " .. a.totalEarned .. " of " .. a.maxQuantity .. " possible Fractured Spark of Fortunes")

[solid pilot]

sanlyu

[nova kelp]

people lose way too much sleep over
restealthing
stats
embelishments
groceries

and not enough sleep over
basic rotation
general gameplay ruleset
active decision making
straight up combat uptime

[sonic zinc]

i just play around it, either getting back into combat fast or saving the spare vanish charge

[normal mist]

Groceries one is true

(and then I forget about the important stuff that I needed in the first place)

[sonic zinc]

like your rotation

[haughty flicker]

Imagine being able to afford groceries

[sonic zinc]

rotation > groceries

[haughty flicker]

[nova kelp]

BUT you did get the snakes lollies on the way through the checkout, that's what really matters

ah shit... butter

[solid pilot]

where do you live

[normal mist]

Nothing better than to see MiNmAxErS (the dumb ones) failing simple mechs / below 90% activity

[solid pilot]

that you cant afford grocceries

[normal mist]

Everywhere wdym

[coral ibex]

this didnt work at all

says ive looted 0 of 5 sparks

smh

[solid pilot]

i can afford them xD

since in poland, its not so expensive... yet

[normal mist]

You guys and your fancy 3000eur monthly income

Smh

[solid pilot]

nah

we dont have euro

[nova kelp]

this one kills me, peeps be up in the chat like, if I'm lower than 40 energy, but higher than 20, and I'm in pandemic range with a DN active is it best to...

meanwhile they garotte 3 times in a row, have 85% uptime, and did nothing? for 4 seconds during their deathmark

[normal mist]

E x a c t l y

[solid pilot]

hiw

how*

were they russian ?

sterotype

[normal mist]

You've got those in any country

[dawn heath]

/run a=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(3132) print("You have earned " .. a.quantity .. " of " .. a.maxQuantity .. " possible Fractured Spark of Fortunes.")

[tall atlas]

do you set the APL for assa on raidbots

[balmy condor]

I do

[tall atlas]

does it account for this pain in the ass seaforium ting

[coral ibex]

bruh

WHY WON'T IT DROP THEN

[haughty flicker]

[tall atlas]

ahve you done this weeks weekly

[dawn heath]

weird

[coral ibex]

i did one timewalking dungeon and i got a half spark from the boss

which is LAST WEEK'S

i have 6 half sparks, i should have 7

[dawn heath]

yeah

i have 5

xD

i even read about some people

that were 2 sparks behind

so they only have one

[vapid geode]

not rogue related but has anyone ever experienced in workshop after killing the boss and you go down the tunnel, it ports you up and down like 2-3x? it happens to me in top as well sometimes and it use to happen last boss in NW

[dawn heath]

[vapid sierra]

in the st build

when do i vanish if i dont have improved garrote

[nova kelp]

there seems to be some kind of weird issue that peeps be having with their weekly quests and pinnacle caches where they have problems getting their spark halves

the oddity being that we're essentially "alwasy in a catch up state" now since the changes, but people aren't aware

I've consistently been getting the CURRENT weeks half spark EVERY week from LFR kills in the current season so far BEFORE doing any weekly stuff

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[nova kelp]

so some peeps are like, permanently behind, meanwhile I'm over here like I killed rik in lfr and got it... idk

[solid pilot]

to reapply deathmark

[glacial relic]

To reapply mark if you lost it, no point other than that

[vapid sierra]

wait

'vanish applies death mark

[slim copper]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[dawn heath]

people want to tweak everything about their character except their flawed gameplay

[pliant remnant]

It doesn't, people just can't read.

[vapid sierra]

i figured

its garrote

[nova kelp]

to be perfectly fair, denial is a safe place
if it's your stats fault it's not yours

[pliant remnant]

He meant Deathstalker's Mark

[vapid sierra]

so i dont use it to extend garrote?

[dawn heath]

its pretty funny i out dpsd some rogue and he was telling me how his ratio of haste to matery was off like bro

its just straight up cope

[solid pilot]

you garrote out of streeatlh

[runic hinge]

Yeah I ain’t going into lfr tho

[solid pilot]

and if you have no imp. garrote

then why bother

[vapid sierra]

so after that

i use vanish to reapply deathstalkers mark

for each deatrhmark window

[solid pilot]

if its lost

[vapid sierra]

do i hold it for deathmark window

[solid pilot]

only then

[vapid sierra]

or just whenver its lost

[solid pilot]

no

[pliant remnant]

Whenever it's lost

[solid pilot]

you jsut rotate it

you can tho

time the buff

[pliant remnant]

It does literally nothing "for deathmark window" unless you lose it

[vapid sierra]

interesting

[solid pilot]

but its not worth tbh

[vapid sierra]

so just send on cd if i lose deathstalker

ty

[solid pilot]

you jsut want to pop

as much dmg from it

by using the charges

[glacial relic]

Or just play imp garotte and MA fuck VV

Just 20k difference

[solid pilot]

never liked imp garote

especially without any option to reduce vanish cd

[vapid sierra]

on mugzee, on opener should i dot the first add?

or just elt him get cleaved down

dont really see where id fit that

[solid pilot]

you shoyld rupture them atleast

and hit with caustinc for dcleave dmg

[vapid sierra]

gotcha thanks

[nova kelp]

I mean it is and it isn't cope
sometimes when you're reading guides and have more instruction than knowledge
you might trick yourself into being concerned about all the "rules" more so than your ability to apply it
it's normal that people START by worrying about this more than the basics - but eventually they need to develop the ability to reflect on the major issues and have that "click" moment
then they get better fast

[merry tapir]

any advice for ST ? im struggling a lot on single target bosses

[solid pilot]

happened to me

[nova kelp]

but some refuse to develop that, and they just permanently suck

[solid pilot]

once

[dawn heath]

are u in m+ build

[solid pilot]

in Legion when I saw sub

[coral ibex]

no

[dawn heath]

then there is no help

[coral ibex]

that's just the build

[dawn heath]

if u are raiding u can be helped

[merry tapir]

D: So we pump on aoe and we just try to not be passed by the tank on bosses

[solid pilot]

if its a warrior

you're cooked

[merry tapir]

yes

[dawn heath]

ye then its gg

ask tank to pull trash on boss

then u do boss dam

[nova kelp]

you might want to better define what you mean by "struggling"
if you mean like... "I run out of energy" then it just is what it is - worry about other things that are impacting you

[dawn heath]

fun fact

[nova kelp]

even the best players in the world "run out of energy" with sin st

[dawn heath]

assa sims about 250k dps lower than any other spec in m+ on single target

we simmed all specs

[solid pilot]

yup

i saw the spreadhseet

and its funny to see outlaw at top

while its steady dmg iwhtout hiccups

[spice surge]

Did they sim prio too

[solid pilot]

he doesnt have any burst

[dawn heath]

its single target

[spice surge]

Ye

[vapid sierra]

funny how sin used to be the opposite

above average st with soem cleave but negative aoe

[spice surge]

But assa in m+ build does almost twice as much ST if theres 5+ targets

[solid pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTYgz1ZCEqoM-KDFQwvyWDSyDNTf8J5s1GD1lnhIwEdfmTZ31K0dnoRkHtgsq6ysEyt9qAke_e9uu01/pubhtml

now its funy

[gray sleet]

How do we play outside cooldowns?

[solid pilot]

sub doesnt have aoe

has strong claeave

[gray sleet]

I feel like i run out of energy

[solid pilot]

sin has strong cleave and aoe

XD

[nova kelp]

I loved looking at dangerworm logs in the last raid
"it's just pad damage luls"
"might want to look at the boss damage friend"

[solid pilot]

padding is something so common to abuse

[spice surge]

Its very hard to pad as assa

Since whats usually considered pad leads to more boss damage

[solid pilot]

well yes

ennergy

[spice surge]

And if the mobs dont live long enough for the extra boss damage then you probably lost damage trying to swap to them anyway

[solid pilot]

but i was thinkg about outlaw dh

etc

[nova kelp]

I personally have a bit of a bugbear with how people define "pad" in recent times
so many bosses have adds that HAVE to die, I don't consider targets that HAVE TO DIE as "pad"
"pad" is when youre getting additional damage from something that literally doesn't matter

[solid pilot]

as asa i learned

not to leave boss

unless its necessary

[merry tapir]

Would u guys spent gilded on hero items if not mythic raiding?

[solid pilot]

there are other dpsd

that will kill mob faster

if it means upgrading trinkets

yes

or weapons

[spice surge]

People overhype trinket upgrades

[nova kelp]

like I disagreed with the logs when we removed the adds from logs on the big flying boss in the bug palace
peeps were just bitching about warriors having "wah wah aoe burst wah wah"
yeah and if those adds don't die you wipe, what's the problem?

[solid pilot]

besides outside odf raid on mythuic

you can get max 1 myth track

[spice surge]

But ye ig that makes sense

[haughty flicker]

nowadays pad more just refers to overindexing on doing damage to adds that wouldve died anyway so that you look better on meters, since there arent really many instances anymore where there are adds that just literally dont matter

[solid pilot]

and thats not alwayas good item

[haughty flicker]

dfc first boss is a fantastic one though

[spice surge]

But if you want max dps per upgrade its helm+chest+legs thats yourbest bet (besides mainhand)

[haughty flicker]

boomkins pressing starfall

[slender grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356916402941988886/1356916448353714296/ezgif-739e0371b61075.gif

[spice surge]

Just get signet

[tall atlas]

weapons and trinkets

ALSO IF YOU HVE SIGnet

make sure you have more mastery

big cry

[nova kelp]

what if you moonlight as sub?

signet bhed

[haughty flicker]

get pvp trinket

[tall atlas]

w

[spice surge]

Trinkets kinda suck nowadays, chest, helmet and legs are usually worth more

[haughty flicker]

and lose rolls in lfr for hoc

[spice surge]

In terms of simdps

[nova kelp]

god I hate that trinket in the current raid, so so much
maybe I'm just old and shit but like... fuck that thing

[tall atlas]

which trans?

[solid pilot]

transmitter was more naoying

[nova kelp]

yeah

[solid pilot]

xD

[tall atlas]

yuea

i was happy to go to sin to never have to use it again but

[solid pilot]

he're we jkust press on cd

with our cds

[tall atlas]

i cba with signet

[solid pilot]

got both

atm using hoc

imo better

[tall atlas]

i need more mastery heave off pieces before i can use it reliably without it proccing crit

[solid pilot]

since it five mastery and tons of it

[nova kelp]

I legit just dropped mine so that I could just consentrate on the cluster fuck of graphics pollution

like I'll just rock 2 passive trinkets if it means I'm not busy looking for an orb while trying to get the coin buff without getting stunned and worrying if the tank rando pulls the boss 3 yards out of my melee range mid dance

fuck that trinket

[solid pilot]

i found seaforium on m+ reaslly good

in raids i prewffer core amplifier, even if its lower lvl

it even sims hgiher

[gray sleet]

Feel like im runnign out of energy and my Elixirs are popping off before second cds

[spice surge]

Yep

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[fervent willow]

wowhead tells to use multilate to generate combo in the single rotation, but I'm playing subterfuge, should I use ambush instead of multilate?

[solid pilot]

muti's crits that proc seal fate will give mor combos

than ambush

and subterfuge

on ST isnt that good i think

you dont need the extra stealth

unless playing imp garote

[fervent willow]

I only play m+

[solid pilot]

its for ST, ramping rotation

and besides at start

you caj spam 2-3 garrote

which will give ytou tons of combos

[vapid sierra]

how many cp rupture do i need to pu on an add for the energy

[solid pilot]

as many as you can

since if you play bleed

you wil proffit, by just yusing shiv

[vapid sierra]

im playing just default st

[solid pilot]

befoere that

[vapid sierra]

(raid mugzee add)

[solid pilot]

put rupture

doesnt go on cd

[vapid sierra]

traided ttb for ap tho

[solid pilot]

and mugzze with garrote

[vapid sierra]

ty

[balmy condor]

Yes

You just put ambush on your stealth bar and use it in place of mutilate

That opener timeline tool just sucks ass

Many things I want to do but can’t

[nova kelp]

what if you make one circa 1990 with snipping tool and paint?

it won't look amazing but like I bet it would rock

[spice surge]

Why stop at 1990, go ask Gutenberg to press it for you

[solid pilot]

Why stop at Guyemberg

Visit ancient egypr

Note to self, dont be do fucking high in the middle of the week

[burnt venture]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[solid pilot]

Tiine for a Coconut papita

[willow rover]

When ppl say looking for rogue/warlock for workshop, are they looking to just skip the pack before the last boss and the mk.2?

[nova kelp]

probably

people gota min max those keys y'know, it's the ONLY thing that stops them from timing

[dawn heath]

U can skip that pack with mind soothe

[nova kelp]

that sort of stuff at normal key levels is the key version of
My vers is too high and it stops me from parsing well

[solid pilot]

You sir are some kind of deep thinker

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-looking-at-cellphone-man-thinking-statue-watching-cellphone-pondering-gif-9133796110692465311

[dawn heath]

This is almost comical

Tldr nothing matters in sin

Just press buttons

Generator spender

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[exotic hearth]

How do I make my caustic hit the adds on Mug'zee? Is it just on my tanks positioning him right?

[dawn heath]

Flame tanks

Or coach them

[nova kelp]

when in doubt flame lol - that's the true gamer way

[solid pilot]

That and, i had lags

[balmy condor]

That’s what I did originally but it’s not SEO friendly

[upper wraith]

is crafting 2 daggers worth over 1 crafted dagger and a heroic dagger?

[solid pilot]

Otherwise i would pulverize him

[balmy condor]

So our SEO analysts got angry

[balmy condor]

I mean is it “better”, yes
Is it worth your crests, god no

[errant heath]

So with the bleedbuild in M+, we use Shiv after applying tempest and rupture on all mobs for aoe dmg?

[upper wraith]

what else should I spend crests on if I have wep and boots?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Other low slots that you have, neck is a good idea

[solid pilot]

And ramp

[spice surge]

Literally anything that isnt an offhand is going to be better

[upper wraith]

thanks!

Do you think just craft crit/mast or haste/mast for neck? I have 19% haste / 24%crit / 61% mast

[solid pilot]

61mast isn't do low

Should around 15k yes ?

[upper wraith]

19.6k

[solid pilot]

You would need galywix ring

[upper wraith]

I have tenure ring

[solid pilot]

Gallus give 6kmastery

And an effect, nothing gamę breaking but additional asset

[solar wyvern]

man how is rank 1 assa 150k more than me

guy is just built diffy or what

[uncut vapor]

for mplus sims are you guys using dslice or 5/10 targets for 5 min?

[solid pilot]

No he just know what he'a clickin

[solar wyvern]

dslice is very good for rogues

[uncut vapor]

I understand that but there are high io rogues who dont use dslice

[solid pilot]

Everyone sims

[fervent willow]

when ramping up aoe damage, should I apply rupture until getting 20 stacks of sent of blood, then use crimson tempest or it's static 2 ruptures then crimson?

[solid pilot]

As its shows

Remember to use fok

To spread poisons

[weary spear]

2 ruptures will equal 5-6 stacks of scent in aoe with indiscriminate carnage (max is 5 obvs)

[solid pilot]

You always want 5

Atleast

[fervent willow]

but what if I'm not with indiscriminate carnage up, I would have to manually cast 5 ruptures, in that case I still apply rupture first?

[weary spear]

If the groups gonna live long enough

[solid pilot]

Yes

[tawdry halo]

Yes if you can’t stealth for IC then apply rupture if the mobs have high health

For the stacks and the energy regen

[solid pilot]

MO rup

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr are we getting buffs in the .5 patch

[balmy condor]

Dslice is used as an overall model, they sim specific things for those specific situations

So if you care about specifically 5 target then fuck it sim 5 target

As the resident number monkey around here I’d advise against doing that because that’s a bit silly

But ya know, live your life king

[balmy condor]

Crystal ball says no

[thorn thorn]

Damn

[solid pilot]

Almost git him 🥲

Had to with ball

[solid pilot]

Are we getting nerf?

[low thicket]

please no 😭

[solid pilot]

I wonder what crystal ball will say

I just Hope rogue overall wont get some NERF Pulled deep from ass of their haters

[thorn thorn]

Its coming from so deep in the ass that they will speak it

[solid pilot]

Haha

[vapid sierra]

outlaw on top

always

[solid pilot]

And ofc they will use such weak arguments its laughable

That's why its gonna get nerfed

That's one od outlaw "power"

Some claases just scale really well the later the ingame patch

Same was with combat

First 1 or two tiers they were medicore

Later top DPS

[thorn thorn]

@warm vortex You play BM now yes

[solid pilot]

How much mastery should i have a

No buffs

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[solid pilot]

XD

Tho about gear

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747561446539395205/1225450138269519923/4x.gif

[solid pilot]

I would want IT to droop 😰

That's IT, phone +window equals freedom

[thorn thorn]

Thank you for this my life is now worse

[cinder geode]

can anyone help me with my ui? i got the atrocity ui, i wasnt a huge fan of it

but now my details is stuck in a weird looking state and i cant move it?

[thorn thorn]

You locked its position

[cinder geode]

there is no lock button on it

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-gif-16944752780895267751

[thorn thorn]

There is a setting to make it stay in position until its re-enabled

Forgor where its at

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-core-gif-5957878309421902420

[solid pilot]

Reminded me of yesterdays m+ gro where priest healer was arguing Wit dh tank

Both left the key at tge same time, IT was one od them

[balmy condor]

That gif is more intellectual than rogues asking for restealths

[thorn thorn]

Best run being +13 is the icing on the cake

[solid pilot]

I dont know how IT is on Na

But on eu its a fucking cancer

[balmy condor]

Not the fucking archon addon in the screenshot

[solid pilot]

Ah yes

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[solid pilot]

I didnt even know i had it

[coral ibex]

yes you did

[thorn thorn]

Whoever uses that archon addon unironically has hella soy in their bones

[coral ibex]

you have to go into the wcl companion app and intentionally install it

[solid pilot]

I got companion

And just clicked add addon

[coral ibex]

so you would say then

that you knew you had it

[solid pilot]

Besides, screenshot not mine

but a guildie

That how you called it

Soy boy ?

Well actually IT fits him perfectly

XZd

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-omoriboy-soy-soyboy-consume-the-soy-gif-10138246964880474520

[solid pilot]

XD

Funny thing

He fuckin eats spy based protein for gym

3 months only 1kg muscle gain

[thorn thorn]

He simply has Soy in his bones

Unlucky

Maybe uninstalling the addon will help

[solid pilot]

Wont

He was dancing around sińce hes a boomie saying im bad coz he outdpsd me

Went bleeds

Instant change wording - stupid op rogues

[solid pilot]

I have nothing againts next generations

[thorn thorn]

I do

Its my generation

[solid pilot]

But that one didnt work well

[thorn thorn]

You have my permission to say fuck em

[solid pilot]

Many are stupid and belive everything should come to them

But there are units that have 2 whole halves of Brain xD

[thorn thorn]

I have 2 halves of a brain but neither function

[solid pilot]

XD

Goos thing my godson listened to me

And when they occasion raised he went on a contract to korean lol team

[solid pilot]

You Play rogue

IT requires atleast two working neurons

[thorn thorn]

oh see now you get it mixed up

[silk sundial]

Mythic stix. CD's on pull or CD's on 1st set of adds? Lorrgs shows both

[thorn thorn]

Im an evoker player and I just shitpost in other class discords

[solid pilot]

Hahaha xD

[thorn thorn]

All those memes you see of dragons being brainless are 100% true

[celest kindle]

is there a macro that allows you to have both ambush and mutilate on the same keybind? for example if you are in stealth/you have subterfuge up it does ambush and if not it casts mutilate?

[coral ibex]

on pull or at 38s

[solid pilot]

Somone posted it not long ago

[celest kindle]

i think i found one thats working with chatgpt:
#showtooltip
/cast [stealth, harm] Ambush; Mutilate

[balmy condor]

I guess that works

Do you not have a stealth bar

Not sure how [stealth] would work with subterfuge though

[celest kindle]

yeah i havent tried with subterfuge

[solid pilot]

Maybe some weird Action bar addon

[balmy condor]

So maybe like [stance:1] ambush

[celest kindle]

wait i guess i could just put ambush on the stealth bar

[balmy condor]

Or [nostance] mutilate I think works

[celest kindle]

youre right 😭

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[celest kindle]

im new at rogue i overcooked

[solid pilot]

Definitly

[balmy condor]

You’ll fit right in

90% of the conversations in here are people overthinking a very straightforward spec

[solid pilot]

Not only spec

Even life situations

[celest kindle]

hahah, thanks

[stone eagle]

why do i feel like this is wrong?

isnt spatter supposed to be way higher?

[balmy condor]

No

[solid pilot]

envenom should

[balmy condor]

No?

That looks normal

[amber brook]

#showtooltip
/dismount
/cast [stance:0, combat] Mutilate
/cast [stance:1] Ambush
/cast [stance:2] Ambush
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth

[runic hinge]

Taste tester highest damage? Freaky 👅

[balmy condor]

[solid pilot]

Ah hybrid build

[amber brook]

i copied this from a pvper xd

[solid pilot]

They have weird shit lately

[balmy condor]

No wonder it looks alien

[solid pilot]

They are fuckin aliena

[amber brook]

it works but the ocasionally needs to be used in stealth is annoying

[solid pilot]

This pvp gas nothing on common witth łat wod

[stone eagle]

i mean

i feel like im fucking up on my positioning on adds lol

[balmy condor]

What

[solid pilot]

I wonder what else i can Bond toogether on one macro

That will work fine

[balmy condor]

How do you fuck up your positioning

Spatter is from the mob

Not from you

[amber brook]

one button opener

[solid pilot]

You stand on front ?

[balmy condor]

What

[hidden bay]

Just use YouTube and search for “assassination one shot macro”

[solid pilot]

Arent those macros weak af ?

I remember a guildie using such in sl

On sub

[thorn thorn]

I played with a rogue in 2s that used a oneshot cast sequence

And if it didnt succeed we just lost the round every time

[solid pilot]

And i actually manually dis way better

[dusky vault]

At what target count do we stop spreading garrote outside of stealth and do we maintain garrote on main target in aoe or not?

[solid pilot]

IT wasnt to you if anything xD

[hidden bay]

You go afk if you can’t vanish or restealth

[solid pilot]

I miss rmp times

[hidden bay]

[thorn thorn]

It was in SL

I was playing havoc at the time

[solid pilot]

Rogue- trolling community since 2004

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean maybe, idk what he means by positioning

[solid pilot]

Same

Just stand behind

And profit

[stone eagle]

hmmm

so i misunderstood the pinned post

my bad

[balmy condor]

The pinned post only relates to mobs with insanely large melee ranges

Like gallywix

[stone eagle]

i see

ty

[balmy condor]

There are no mobs like that in m+ atm

[solid pilot]

Atleast not on this seaosn

[hidden bay]

Rookery last boss??? Hello??

[balmy condor]

Yeah all that caustic cleave on last boss rookery

[solid pilot]

Tho blizz did good work on getting hitbozes

[hidden bay]

[solid pilot]

Yeah..

[thorn thorn]

[solid pilot]

Always taking fun away

[balmy condor]

I think the last boss that maybe would’ve benefited would’ve been the throne of tides end boss

When he’s in the wall

But that’s just pad

[solid pilot]

🤣

You just reminded me of 1st week of cata

[hidden bay]

You only spread garrote thru … you know this one talent… I got the icon in my head. Pretty sure you know what I mean.

[solid pilot]

Welcome to blacrock caverns

2nd Boss od bugged, check jf you ste lucky xD

[dusky vault]

Thank you, something carnage I think, red stealth go brrr.

[hidden bay]

Jaja, this

[solid pilot]

Better Red than dead

[hidden bay]

Check out wowhead guide from whispyr. There’s explanations on what to do in AoE etc. Rotation wise.

One could think this guy is smart

[solid pilot]

Need to buy better cooler for my cpu

[dusky vault]

Yeah I'd read that, its my bible. No idea why I skipped over the aoe section and didnt pay attention to it for my question

[solid pilot]

Actually aoe was most interesting

Since after S1 of df sin went back to old self, mostly

[cinder geode]

Could I get a log review on any ST fights ? Im hardstuck high 80s and I can't get any orange parses

[solid pilot]

In heroix ?

Remember that do deep on season people start making grupa that benefit certain classes

[hidden bay]

Throw em in here

[solid pilot]

For them to małe logs

And ill obaere herp and learn something

Observe*

Oddworld Exodus is one of best platform game

Tho that's imo

[blazing kayak]

wat r the best single target class/specs in keys

for just pure single target boss dmg

but obviously viable to bring to high keys as well

[balmy condor]

Sub probably

[subtle kiln]

Sub Rogue

[blazing kayak]

anything else close?

enhance maybe

[solid pilot]

Welp 5am

We're offto bed

Cya around

[balmy condor]

Idk how enhance is doing but maybe I guess

High keys atm are mostly aoe specs

Maybe frost mage?

[runic hinge]

Unholy still has decent ST right?

[nova kelp]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Theyre okay yeah

Idk sub rogue is really the only one jumping out at me

[subtle kiln]

I haven’t done a crazy amount of keys, but especially with CDs going into boss, nothing comes close. Assa if you can pull mobs in is up there.

but that’s not “ST”

[tawdry halo]

Yeah sub would make sense. You change like 1 talent for keys vs raid, and that talent probably increases your boss damage in most cases

[burnt venture]

WW monk for ST maybe?

[fervent willow]

should I keep rupture in all mobs or just up to 5? for example first pull of floodgate

[gilded dune]

Nobody said fire mage WTH. It requires PI to do its damage though. And it’s useless PI during lust.

Totemic enhance will only beat UDK on a boss you lust

[desert vault]

on reverb we dotting adds or just splatter off boss? or kinda depend on what group needs more or less?

[coral ibex]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[haughty flicker]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[nova kelp]

the difference as ww between PURE st and full M+ is like sweet fuck all

[coral ibex]

W

[lethal arrow]

the clip is real cinema

https://www.twitch.tv/xohshiitcarl/clip/ThankfulOriginalStingrayArgieB8-9rQWOjT-8W5yWpXq

[dapper cradle]

i used to raid with that guy haha

really sweet dude

[lethal arrow]

yah hes great

our guild has banger vibes

[dapper cradle]

oh you raid together now?

what's the guild name

[lethal arrow]

Big Where It Counts

[dapper cradle]

glad to see bro is doing well

[spice spire]

Wholesome comment from the most holesome mf ik

[wise plume]

man keys today have been b r u t a l

[balmy condor]

!mute @lethal arrow 2d hell nah bro

[wise plume]

smoked

[dapper cradle]

huh what even happened

[wise plume]

nun

[dapper cradle]

did that count as self promotion or something

i don't get it

[earnest remnant]

[timber meadow]

is there a reason you'd want to never drop combat in cinderbrew? was playin with a tank and he was saying he was with an assa rogue that like never wanted to be out of combat

[wise plume]

[earnest remnant]

Eye of kezan

And if you chain pull good. It’s nice

Just constant pump

[timber meadow]

oh ye i see that, better than getting restealths ig

[wise plume]

first it requires even rolling a 100 to get it

[neat plank]

or just do the weekly quest for it like I did

[wise plume]

i got boots from both caches, cant relate

[neat plank]

ah

[earnest remnant]

Or have it in your vault

[wise plume]

yeah that aint gon happen

[earnest remnant]

It was in my one singular hc slot this week

[timber meadow]

wonder what the difference is between eye and no restealths vs. eye but dropping combat

[earnest remnant]

Took it over mythic shoulders

[timber meadow]

i mean eye is insane agility

[wise plume]

i had boots, belt and shoulders in my raid slots

[timber meadow]

has to destroy getting restealths

although how much do you lose if you're out of combat for like 2s and then immediately back

it just says "decaying rapidly"

[dapper cradle]

Damn for real? It’s that giga for prog?

[subtle tundra]

L take

[earnest remnant]

shoulders on a 7min sim was 8k dps and Eye of kezan was 28k

it takes on avg around 4min to stack the trinket up

and after its stacked

it goes crazy

[timber meadow]

yeah i mean on normal its like 6700 agi or some shit

if you can get that thing stacked hollly

[earnest remnant]

so generally speaking if a fight is more than 5min (which most mythic fights are)

then the trinket just becomes very fcking good

[timber meadow]

does it decay fast af?

like is it instant or an actual decay

[earnest remnant]

decays fast

and if timer hits 0

its fully goes away

[timber meadow]

thinkin for M+ ... bit of a gamble unless premade group but if you can actually just stay perma in combat or like drop combat very momentarily

could omega blast like you were sayin

[earnest remnant]

it can yeah

and like im by NO means good at assa

in m+

rather the opposite

[timber meadow]

what key was that?

i mean you were def pumping

over 4m is nothin to be ashamed of for any key

let alone close to 5, that's similar to dk numbers

[haughty flicker]

[earnest remnant]

priory i think

0 lusts cuz our evoker missed it on first pull and decided to not use it the whole key (just a homie key group so was full banter)

[timber meadow]

yeah that's crazy dmg.. think casualaddict does less than that in their 16-17s

[haughty flicker]

almost 5m overall in priory with no lust

its wild sometimes being reminded just how much better than me some people are lmao

[runic hinge]

Real

[balmy condor]

Priory can easily reach >5

If your group is strong enough to giga pull it’s entirely reasonable

[earnest remnant]

with lust it was ez 5mil plus

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[timber meadow]

prioiry is built diff tho

[balmy condor]

If I wasn’t a shitter and my group was a bit more yolo I think 5 in cinderbrew is possible too

My best cinderbrew was like 4.4

[earnest remnant]

we had the most yolo cinderbrew

[spice spire]

I mean cinderbrew floodgate and priory are all like

[balmy condor]

And there was definitely room

[spice spire]

Giga

[earnest remnant]

we just full hold W

[balmy condor]

Floodgate is like >6 for sure

[earnest remnant]

and we wiped on last boss cuz 0 cr group

and our healer went surfing

[runic hinge]

Floodgate banger dungeon

[golden loom]

outside of swampface and bubbles yeah

[earnest remnant]

like that 4.8 priory was my 5th dungeon as assa

[golden loom]

but those 2 can fuck off

[earnest remnant]

so im by NO means playing it good at all

[balmy condor]

I hold my deathmark too much :(

[earnest remnant]

normally i wouldnt even do dungeons as Assa but right now my gear is recrafted for assa

[haughty flicker]

if thats not playing well then i dont want to know what my gameplay would be described as

[balmy condor]

Just gotta yolo it more

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[earnest remnant]

cooldowns on cooldown

[balmy condor]

Real

[runic hinge]

A wise raccoon told me always send never hold

[golden loom]

honestly yoloing deathmark with bleed build just feels good

[haughty flicker]

full send always

[golden loom]

like I want it to come up late in boss fight

[earnest remnant]

had a 29mil sudden pop

in ToP

[balmy condor]

Have you seen the eleem video

[earnest remnant]

big fella in the ghost area

just went BYE B YE

nah i havent

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

lmao

jesus

[timber meadow]

what level keys are yall doin that in? feel like your numbers are way higher than the top assa pushers

like casual did 4 flat in their 17 ML

bosses just last forever

and bring things down a lot

[balmy condor]

I’m pushing 14’s atm but my highest dps priory was like a 12

[earnest remnant]

looked exactly like that lol

[balmy condor]

I mean bro is also playing supercharger for some reason

[earnest remnant]

my tank was so confused

[timber meadow]

oh okay yeah, like i have almost every 14 timed and dont think ive done over 4k in like any of them and im usually top dmg

[balmy condor]

Need Comcast to fix my internet so I can get more IO SCORE

I AM BECOME DUMBFUCK M+ FIEND, DESTROYER OF VIBES, FEELCRAFTER OF NUMBER

[timber meadow]

you sure he is? his whole talent page is scuffed on rio

like a lot of his keys have him not even playing IC lmfao

[balmy condor]

Last I heard idk, I don’t watch him

[haughty flicker]

[earnest remnant]

get that title, so people stop questioning you

( i still will)

[haughty flicker]

only one title

[balmy condor]

He only got title 1 season that’s not impressive

[haughty flicker]

this guy doesnt have a let to stand on

easy season to push btw

inflated

[balmy condor]

Fr

[timber meadow]

lol that doesn't really do anything for title

[golden loom]

woke up and remembered stix lived with 1% hp

[balmy condor]

He’s just carried

[timber meadow]

its relative

[golden loom]

fuck!

[earnest remnant]

easy dungeons

doesent count

[timber meadow]

oh you mean last season

[haughty flicker]

no im making up excuses from shitters

moving goalposts

[balmy condor]

Mfers be saying m+ is very skill based but then when someone gets title they’ll say it’s just cause they invested a lot of time

[earnest remnant]

has to fit their narrative

[quaint lark]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[earnest remnant]

i get like a post in my guild discord every few days with some rogue asking my guildies to stop chain pulling

cuz they need stealths

[balmy condor]

Real

[timber meadow]

there's always a rift between the discord folk and the non discord folk. was the same in shadow disc. they'd recommend one thing, top key shadows wouldn't be running it

shit talk ensues

[earnest remnant]

all of the people that play tanks in m+ in my guild

now hates Assa rogues

with a passion

[dapper cradle]

If you don’t restealth as sin you lose one hundred gorrillion dps

[timber meadow]

its not that huge of a deal

just really annoying when there's like 1% health left on mob

[earnest remnant]

thats not a chain pull

[timber meadow]

but id rather chain than not if mobs aren't like *literally8 about to die

[earnest remnant]

thats horrid tanking

[haughty flicker]

Real

[earnest remnant]

2 very very different things

[timber meadow]

yeah they're different

[dapper cradle]

They should change without a trace to give an extra 8 charges of vanish

[runic hinge]

I hate bad tanks but I love ones who pull the mobs in when I still have ruptures going

[timber meadow]

or good tanking ig if everyone in your group has eye

[balmy condor]

I mean I’m gonna be real, most of the “top key” people have a very strained grasp of how numbers work, play some shit that just has no mathematical leg to stand on, and then say “it’s good cause I’m high io”

[golden loom]

btw looking at rik logs.. what kind of unholy rng are these top logs getting, I thought we had crazy lucky spawns and spatter did 114m for me, this rank 1 guy did 223m?????

[balmy condor]

So yeah, kinda how that works

[timber meadow]

and they'd prob say something like yall rely way too much on impractical sims

[earnest remnant]

play with people that dont hit barrels

[timber meadow]

shit talk ensues lol

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, that’s what sims are for lmao

[earnest remnant]

now what they finna do if they start arguing with me and eleem

who are both sim nerds

and high io

[runic hinge]

Argue just to argue

[earnest remnant]

[timber meadow]

yeah that was what happened in shadow disc lol like jaerv would get involved

and it was like alright well gg ig

[balmy condor]

Sims are supposed to be used as tools to inform people how to play

It’s a hammer for a nail

[past bobcat]

does wowhead show the dry shiv for rotation

[balmy condor]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

who is gettng nailed?

[earnest remnant]

i could hammer your nail

[past bobcat]

i saw a little blurb in the advanced section

but no picture

[balmy condor]

Why would it need a picture

[marble hemlock]

did this morning but i hurt my thumb

[past bobcat]

monkey like picture

[balmy condor]

Yeah but like

[earnest remnant]

skill issue

[balmy condor]

How would that even work

[runic hinge]

When you have darkest night up during lingering and shiv. You press shiv

[marble hemlock]

getting filtered irl

[balmy condor]

You just want to show like

A row of buffs

And then pointing at shiv

Or what

[past bobcat]

oh i thought it was after kingsbane

myb i will reread

[haughty flicker]

Whip up something in paint

[earnest remnant]

lingering buff with green arrow next to a DN buff with a green arrow next to a shiv icon with a green arrow

into an envenom icon with a gasm face

your are very welcome

[balmy condor]

I tried adding clear the witnesses icon to an image and then I got 300 questions “what icon is that”

[earnest remnant]

im a bit of an artistic genius uknow

[earnest remnant]

thats why it shows Fok or Storm in AUI

so people know what it means xD

[balmy condor]

I added text but it didn’t help cause then people started asking “what’s clear the witnesses”

[earnest remnant]

did you just respond

"what i need to do after im done with you idiots"

?

that would go hard

[balmy condor]

Idk

Every minmax needs like talent page open pointing at the talent in the window

[golden loom]

problem with icons is that if I see this icon in a rotation I might press vanish instead of envenom

[balmy condor]

The longer I tc for this spec the worse the community’s literacy becomes

[earnest remnant]

why read when purple man explains?

[balmy condor]

I mean even my guide metrics

People are just reading way less, scrolling way less, spending way less time in total

Than even like 2-3 years ago

[golden loom]

tiktok generation

[haughty flicker]

Why would I read the guide when I can just ask in discord and get mad when I’m told to read the guide

[earnest remnant]

i got called toxic and an asshole, for linking the opener page from wowhead to some asking me what the opener for sub was in dms

[haughty flicker]

See

[balmy condor]

Yeah that happens

I linked a guy to the exact section of the guide that answered his question

And he said “I ain’t reading all that”

[haughty flicker]

[timber meadow]

yeah it just rubs people the wrong way, think it depends how you do it

[earnest remnant]

my response to that would be "i aint helpin all of that"

[timber meadow]

but especially people who aren't like perma on discord i could see that coming across as kinda ass-holy-ish

even though its not

[balmy condor]

Condense the entire guide down into a YouTube video from the ground foundations to all the min maxes and talent swaps, add chapters for people to jump around

[mystic osprey]

Is bleed always better than hybrid in M+ because the boss damage is poo poo

[balmy condor]

“This video long as shit”

Can’t do anything

[bright tartan]

Always has been

[golden loom]

Need to cut it into youtube shorts

[balmy condor]

Well bleed does more boss damage than hybrid so thats already strike 1

[mystic osprey]

deadass 😭

thats not what ive been told

[earnest remnant]

livinass

cuh

[balmy condor]

The RPM on shorts is so horrendous that it’s honest to god not even worth the effort for me to reformat all the content

[golden loom]

Fair

[balmy condor]

I’m starting up a channel where I basically re-record the videos but in German

[mystic osprey]

maybe its time to watch whispyrs video on bleed build

[balmy condor]

Because that is worth more of my time

[mystic osprey]

priviet

[balmy condor]

I said German not ruski

[earnest remnant]

GUTEN TAG

[bright tartan]

I imagine what death mark is called in German

[golden loom]

Tötungs markerung?

[haughty flicker]

What is Hiya in german

[timber meadow]

they're extradorinarily close in boss dmg but i do feel like having a 1 min is just really nice and hybrid does better trash dmg if shit isn't just expldoing for tens of millions instantly

[balmy condor]

Todesmal

[golden loom]

close enough

[balmy condor]

I did 2-3 coaching sessions in German I think I got the lingo down ezclap

(I don’t)

I’ll stumble through it, it’s probably fine

[timber meadow]

like being able to drop a kb on a chunky prio mob is super nice, both for prio dmg and also having something to just blast off into

[haughty flicker]

Bleed does similar prio

And more aoe

[balmy condor]

Bleed does equal prio damage in sims, probably more in an actual key with sudden demise factored in

[haughty flicker]

And more st

Hybrid virgins stay losing

[timber meadow]

yeah just less trash dam

at least with my setup

[balmy condor]

Well

[bright tartan]

I chuckled a good bit when I saw m+ build without kingsbane

[balmy condor]

It’s less cleave and less giga aoe

[golden loom]

I never took german serious again after my teacher called me a Sofakartoffel

[balmy condor]

It’s better on like 2-3 and 5-8

But it loses on 4 and past that

[haughty flicker]

Sofakartoffel goes hard

Why 4 exactly

[balmy condor]

No clue

[haughty flicker]

Based

[balmy condor]

When I have some time I’ll look into it some more

It’s a strange one

[mystic osprey]

Is there a bleed build rotation on the WoWHead?

[timber meadow]

so like bleed does more prio without dm than hybrid does with kb?

[balmy condor]

It’s the same rotation

[rotund oak]

as in a couch potato

[timber meadow]

or you're saying with full cd's up it does more prio

[balmy condor]

This

[mystic osprey]

yeah but what happens without kingsssbane

[timber meadow]

oh =well yeah

but thats the benefit of having the 1 min

[balmy condor]

You don’t press kingsbane

[golden loom]

the same lesson he called me that, my friend flexed his german skills by asking the teaching assistant "Bist du ledig?" in front of the whole class

[mystic osprey]

yeah

but like because we dont have it

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[mystic osprey]

what changes during deathmark

[balmy condor]

Nothing

You just don’t press kingsbane

[haughty flicker]

The change is you don’t press kb

[mystic osprey]

and

when do you use shiv?

when you have the darkest night procs?

[haughty flicker]

When shiv falls off

[balmy condor]

During deathmark and for aoe with arterial

[timber meadow]

like id be open to swapping to bleed if yall think it's better for pushing - i might not stick with it but id try it out 100%

[balmy condor]

It’s an aoe bleed buff

[timber meadow]

just felt better when i swapped to hybrid

[mystic osprey]

🤔

ok

[rotund oak]

too much outlaw in the man

[mystic osprey]

back to s2 dragonflight

[rotund oak]

we need an exorcism

[haughty flicker]

Bleed is the omnissiah

The one true build

[mystic osprey]

Bleed is a wannabe feral druid

[haughty flicker]

From the moment I recognized the weakness of my kingsbane it disgusted me

[balmy condor]

Me and eleem are pretty convinced it’s just better

[rotund oak]

hybrid is more like a wannabe feral but ok

[timber meadow]

aiight, ill give it a shot then

[mystic osprey]

😔

[rotund oak]

pretty bold coming from someone who thrives on a spec that has no identity

[mystic osprey]

wannabe dragonflight s2 spec

[balmy condor]

The 1 min prio damage sounds good in theory

[mystic osprey]

WOAH WOAH

OKAY BUDDY

IM A FUCKING PIRATE

WHAT ARE YOU

[rotund oak]

i could go on

[balmy condor]

But kingsbane without deathmark ends up being a bonus envenom that takes 14 seconds to do its damage

[rotund oak]

im a rogue

i bury ppl because i can

[bright tartan]

Hi rogue

[rotund oak]

i dont yap

[mystic osprey]

Hi rogue

[mystic osprey]

damn

thats really sad