assassination

[red schooner]

Due to roster issues we now have 2 sin rogues tonight on the boss that shall not be named

Oh boy

[drifting cloud]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[plush iris]

With the mega magnet. Do you only use it if you reach 30 stacks?

or do u use it with ur cds

[red schooner]

use it in lingering darkness

[plush iris]

regardless of my stacks?

[frigid lagoon]

is there a good WA for clear the witness?

[sudden brook]

Mine does

[red schooner]

If you're wanting it for raid spec, don't do it.

[sudden brook]

It even doesnt show up when u have VV talented

[plush iris]

!WA:2!DrvZUTTrqylRceac4aBf3GMICWianiOiWOXioPT3eLLIDHSKkjDT9jPLKR0U1u7YS7s9J7pavNYHEspc6sVu0d6jiqpbecf9bWh6dGFbsNDjLDD4HLZm7S789n8JtHAL6xkSu47E2mAaN5Yteb4hVMyuZUDLy1VF)5OWFmrQWHhJgT(Tou26IXz5C47J)WhE)ARvyoIfq4IwCkt5xPAdVQold48Oq(qM7qAmUZIvUvd7Hj26k2zIsq71dlK3)PICZ)Xwnog7GseO9MQxzO(y5N7)Y9F9lE9xVSpsfqWsxcFyt2cP5v5afDa2bpad1(qmksrUsM4B8BjWDPJCCBvTE9zjmQQ6iQujVnb3KUqcZBxPSRxBxVYoEtKX4OOJcLw26d4hhHgJfogCyjac0KfnUJirIBaH6mle7d3HhGAXHvR3Q2j1NMWYzJv8wid68Y8pMhI)Z1UgAsybdf9da1PC2FC9fyCCzOUbkhKIYjtL4OUMMz69GcirkOtOWKzaSDW9GZi)2hMUXsW1hfCrpbpHf(UTJlPWJuTLee0Opl7tuH4hzcAw6YfqhSTm3WMXz4P3S9t(cz8M)VBOcpIl(Ucfku8QSORaLD5t8Ag)atquIIdxfn4uAOIyxgCVoRw0r4qtWFBzM648CeTWSVwnr7ogiOGRaY5bbTB0Sr10neaV05mZKyGbgfHNP5KGPI3SMGE5oFFckeAmOD88Ud3xvPLMyd5IWtfO4jNMBKbGbuj1pcuMzORDSMAXBDuJgvDAB30ZR5Xoh9Md9wEtvDPxIFuozo7oLqVRrc08eV6h1O6)USxeFynb(TjywW4wFYxT7E7Nrm9gla1ZBIY7WKP6qUbOiCXzAZ6ywpf5tNRTxXetovUPtmr7Ql4s)eLIZAoalaDQToCNf61d0kgqOu0Cn3GwZ5i0GlyyPSO5wRtb7Tmv2gAqybXNGP9ikKDehf29QGiKu2gXcBRLOp1xsz9IWVCtN(jrkQLVcqot9W0ZTCmPQTIlbuS9DpzhB9QExBj0jnPTjKw58jlMbnKpoeLrMjmAEnFtT8HjhDP9SUkwW7jawKn46lF8ARpNYYe2qYwlbLj8DQzS2d(z(soVFH4Txngsl3oGkrGciK4CRgBMIhmi7)YpRWFT9tOHXpOsegj2rrW7CkvPBCyPZqTYgnVRagc4Q0IWIxNPmQPdPXQVBfNQvB4GIIjOI7LqdN7ocF4bKZdEgLkOmDDWetRQsoSGjeWiaChHEUbG7x5iviHYYVlLrLelB4LYAg0dcPzeBYkg1zkIrZi)RstQTaJKAKzet3lDJ0NVmmxt0wpJfkT(wKt05zATp3UpIYQL(tMSt)50Fj9xH3d(4iLK(7V7l(MD3V0G)(S)7d

[red schooner]

Not played with the magnet myself so... there will be better sources, but isn't it normally used towards the end of lingering?

[plush iris]

no clue

[red schooner]

Somebody with more familiarity with the trinket feel free to call me an idiot and tell me I'm wrong

Thanks

[plush iris]

i don have it either. I friend of mine has it

[tired oyster]

You idiot

[frigid lagoon]

why not?

[red schooner]

Thanks

[red schooner]

With the buff we now talent into vicious venoms and our guidelines around when we FoK change

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[spice spire]

Double VV makes it neutral in lingering only so like

Better to remove brain cell

[fallow canopy]

but now my single brain cell will feel lonely

[haughty flicker]

drinking enough will solve that problem

[bleak ledge]

The trinket scales linearly iirc, there is no dps min-maxing beyond not letting it sit at 30 stacks

Use it at latest possible time or with 30 stacks in lingering darkness

And pray for a crit

[long pollen]

Is there a raid bleed build somewhere on Wowhead? I've just been doing the normal ST one and swapping caustic over when there are adds but I heard something new popped up after the patch

[normal mist]

Wowhead should cover all the available viable builds

[spice spire]

It goes, gotta scroll down

[long pollen]

Ahhh that's what it was, I only saw the first set

Thanks

[brave comet]

in vexie mythic

do i use DM on cooldown in the second usage window or just Kingsbane?

[bleak ledge]

It should lineup with damage amp

[analog field]

Should i swap to pacemaker, seems like a dps increase

[normal mist]

absolutely

[coral ibex]

23 DPS INCREASE

[normal mist]

no questions asked there

[coral ibex]

[red schooner]

thgat 23 dps will be the difference between a kill and a 0.01% wipe

for sure

[normal mist]

you see "+number"

[red schooner]

take it, commit

[normal mist]

you swap

[vivid mulch]

whatchu using ?

[normal mist]

whatever it is, is clearly worse than pacemaker

[devout fiber]

Hey guys, I take the dagger right even if i have 2 crafted daggers?

[normal mist]

why

do you have 2 crafted daggers in the first place

[devout fiber]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/caneth/

I was told to make it?

[normal mist]

by who

[devout fiber]

my friends xD

[coral ibex]

your friends are cooked

[high nacelle]

get better friends

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-gif-6565016535492739421

[coral ibex]

gg wasted spark

[devout fiber]

what was i supposed to make instead

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[coral ibex]

literally any other slot tbh

[normal mist]

you want to craft 1 dagger and one pair of boots OR wrist OR belt per example

to fit in the 2 emb

[devout fiber]

ok so keep the off hand and make a wrist

what is blessed weapon grip?

i only do M+

[normal mist]

a embelishment i assume

Also tell your friends to not advise you anymore

[devout fiber]

sorry guys will go here next time

[normal mist]

Its for your own good

[devout fiber]

so pick up the dagger here then?

[normal mist]

whispyr said it better, sec

[normal mist]

In theory, MH is you best DPS upgrade, along side with trinkets (and 2pc/4pc)

but you can simply sim the options at the highest ilvl and judge for yourself

[analog field]

the delve but champion gear and i simmed vs heroic 6/6 seaforium

[river acorn]

Do we still macro thistle tea to shiv or rather not?

[normal mist]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[normal mist]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

That’s a personal question

[normal mist]

Hi oxi you're the Goat

[gusty mirage]

As someone with two crafted daggers, I will not divulge the determination as to why that happened

[normal mist]

Is one of them Int?

[gusty mirage]

(It totally wasn’t a mistake)

[gusty mirage]

No, I recrafted the wrong one stop yelling at me

[vivid mulch]

I fucked up today and picked hero mechano-core over myth chef back

lost 0.4% dps :c

[gusty mirage]

That might be true, but you gained 10% dps because we love you

And +5% dps for the Zyzz discord profile banner

[vivid mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-uptempo-zyzz-fist-bump-gif-25235668

I might not be a gym bro, but fuck i love zyzz

Only guy i'd let smash

[tall atlas]

is it a cuck to tea before using signet

cos seaforium is cucking my signet

[vivid mulch]

be a chad and use HOC and SIgnet

[tall atlas]

]#

ok daddy

[vivid mulch]

[vapid sierra]

ZYZZZZ

Suh brah

[vivid mulch]

wait why do i have streamer role on my profile lol

[vapid sierra]

Prolly linked ur twitch

[vivid mulch]

ohhh nah its to see who's streaming

big brain

I do wanna stream tho

pc just doodoo

[still ore]

/keys

[vapid sierra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vapid sierra]

da fuk are these

[runic hinge]

Envenom bars

[vapid sierra]

what for

[runic hinge]

On for each buff

[vapid sierra]

why are they being tracked now

what buff

[vivid mulch]

Envenom o.o

[runic hinge]

Envenom

[coral ibex]

ok so type /wa and open the weakaura

[vapid sierra]

what abt the blue bar

[coral ibex]

and delete the bars

you dont need them

[vapid sierra]

is it usless

do i not play around it

[coral ibex]

yep just delete them

[vapid sierra]

no not that

the blue one on the tracker

its like a line

then why are they there

[vivid mulch]

I should type in combo points

Or i get banned

[vapid sierra]

what is whyspir manifesting

[runic hinge]

Pandemic

[coral ibex]

they're there to annoy you

[scenic nacelle]

Envenom 2.0

[coral ibex]

exclusively to cause visual clutter

[vapid sierra]

whispyr

ty

[tall atlas]

the pacemaker is pissing me off

[devout fiber]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[vapid sierra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[devout fiber]

Guys im a bit confused

what is the crafted gear I can make for the wrist actually called?

[vapid sierra]

how much of a dps loss is authority

[harsh violet]

rune-branded wrists

idk about wrists actually, but rune-branded

armbands

[upper wraith]

Assa easily the most chill spec for raid this tier lol

[raw gull]

Hey everyone, quick question about Rogue stats. I'm looking at Archon's recommendations and my current setup seems off. I have around 25k Mastery, but the target is closer to 21k. My Versatility is about 2k too low, and Haste is 1k higher than suggested. Anyone have insights on the ideal stat weights for Rogues right now.??

[analog field]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[devout fiber]

Why does it say kickers here, and discord says wrist?

@balmy condor

[solid pilot]

btw what happened to the siphoning dagger from s1 ? \

is it crappy ?

[hidden bay]

comes down to what items you have in the end brosef

[raw gull]

@analog field Ty Ty Ty^^, didn't knew this. So i should try to reach my mastery level with crit?? like, change enchants and gems trying to cap mastery on penalty lvl and switch to crit then?

[analog field]

you are probably ok , with 25k mastery

no need to worry i would say , only if they were too close and you have seaforium

[raw gull]

yeah, but deck, and kezan eye, it will ramp to uneffective levels?

[devout fiber]

is it bad

if i craft cape?

since it's my lowest ilvl

610?

when everythign else is around 650

[analog field]

i don't think so, not sure

[spice spire]

It’s always been

[spice spire]

Second piece doesn’t matter

Wrists generally used because it’s a low statted piece and you’re losing 3 ilvl

Cape also fine

[humble verge]

NOWAY BLUE LOGS ON RIK

[spice spire]

Washed

By dick vibes of all people

[humble verge]

didnt ask you quake

[spice spire]

Don’t care told anyway

[humble verge]

@balmy condor do you use toxic blade at all in ST

[brave comet]

rik is honestly just luck based

most of these fights are just luck i kinda dont like it

[gusty mirage]

Nah just skillfully force the barrels to spawn on the boss at all times

It’s totally not complete rng

[brave comet]

its not?

[gusty mirage]

(It is)

[haughty flicker]

the more people who have the +1 luck ring the better your barrel spawns

also

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[gusty mirage]

I’m sure there’s something that can help them spawn closer to boss but it’s a complete shit show

[gusty mirage]

Imma convo you bud

[haughty flicker]

tanking him close to the wall supposedly helps

but it still felt like shit

[gusty mirage]

That boss just sucks

Even on normal it sucks

[haughty flicker]

any boss with a long ass intermission where you literally cant hit anything

immediately sucks

theres like one exception ever

being painsmith

[golden loom]

was in on a rik kill DUMB BOSS

@coral ibex

stix time

[balmy condor]

I want you to think about this for a second

[haughty flicker]

!riccardo

[coral ibex]

stiiiiiiiiiiiix

im missing 2/3 raid days this week

no reclear for me

praying they wipe all night tomorrow on sprocket so i can be in on the kill

[golden loom]

95 parse but I saved the raid with a shadowstep darkest night on a far add

richard noob!

[coral ibex]

W

[balmy condor]

It says boot/wrist/belt by preference did you actually read the command at all

[haughty flicker]

saved the raid but lost the parse

not worth

[dawn heath]

boots angle?

and catalyst?

[haughty flicker]

do you play a race that benefits from the spinny jump ring

[strange sleet]

Fuck me sideways bro. I'm starting to hate the Priory tinket. It limits my gear possibilities so much

[dawn heath]

only play sin

[haughty flicker]

but the ring makes you spin/flip more while jumping

[dawn heath]

its either boots azerokk or rsocket?

do i ever replace these for azerokks?

[hexed frost]

Does blindside+scent talent tree possible and worth it in keys?

[humble verge]

NO, BUT THEN WHY IS IT IN THE FUCKING TALENT BUILD

[humble verge]

no, its a downgrade - but just as people say

[haughty flicker]

you didnt think long enough

go again

[humble verge]

glorp not telling me what to do

[balmy condor]

Tiny toxic blade is slightly better in single target, so you play it in single target

[haughty flicker]

[humble verge]

ok

i believe

im gonna run AP just to spite

[hexed basalt]

thx alot for help team. I went from grey last week to blue parses! Improving 😄

[haughty flicker]

huge

[hexed basalt]

feelsgoodman

[gusty mirage]

[dawn heath]

shouldnt we be able to have 3 crafts by now?

or even more

[haughty flicker]

3.5

[dawn heath]

how tf do i have 2 crafts with not even a half?

dagger & neck craft

[normal mist]

are you missing any weeklies?

[dawn heath]

i mean possibly, but even then it should be a catchup so i should be at 2.5?

[dull prism]

are assasination doing good damage in the raid, cuz mine sucks

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s crankin

[hexed frost]

play sub
do top damage on vexie, carnage, rick and bunk
Still green and blue logs

Better go back to raiding as assa so logs look purple and pink

[haughty flicker]

ive seen some people say they arent getting the proper amount of sparks but its hard to tell how much of that is real and how much is just idiots

[devout fiber]

about to craft new cape

do i do the mastery crit one?

[dull prism]

anyone got some pov guides i can watch for assasination when they playing raid?

[dawn heath]

im so fucking confused

where my spark went

whats the fastest weekly to get the 0.5 spark

do i need to do 5 timewalkings?

[normal mist]

Yes

If you're purely going M+, theres no REAL need for Haste

[vale lantern]

My vids are accessible on twitch

[devout fiber]

yh just M+

[vale lantern]

Not exactly a “guide”. though

[dull prism]

i dont need a guide i just wanna see high parses in action

[fallow canopy]

Thats the weekly event, the one that gives half a spark this week is the 100 titan relics one

[dawn heath]

i never do these how do i farm the titan disc fragments fast

[coral ibex]

i only got my 6th half today

[vale lantern]

If you’d rather wait till tonight I also raid tonight then if you have questions I can maybe answer them

[normal mist]

delves

3

[fallow canopy]

Delves i think

[coral ibex]

i didn't get a half last week ata ll

[dawn heath]

oof

[normal mist]

do level1 delves

speedrun that shit

[fallow canopy]

Or rares in the new zone but thats kinda not as fast

[normal mist]

3 level1 delves is MOST LIKELY the fastest way

[vale lantern]

@dull prism would be at 9pm est

[dawn heath]

classic

people havent even started rolling

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[humble verge]

[devout fiber]

@normal mist best wep enchant for M+ only?

Authority of the radiant power?

!enchant

D:

[normal mist]

most likely Radiant yes, if nothing changed

[inland escarp]

7 bosses inside follower dungeons is kinda quick too

[haughty flicker]

easiest roll of my life

[humble verge]

bro lost

[quartz kelp]

whats the addon to make the window look like that if i may ask

[coral ibex]

🫵🏻

its a weakaura called chunky character sheet

[quartz kelp]

o thanks

[solar wyvern]

damn thats a beeg envenom

[dawn heath]

the half sparks from content that is not the weekly are they not 100% from the first of the week on a boss killl /duengon?

killed gally didnt get a half spark

[coral ibex]

bro i killed last 3 normal full heroic and 4 mythic bosses last week plus all weekly boxes and got no half spark

their shit is bugged

[dawn heath]

jesus

wtf

[coral ibex]

just got my 6th half today

a week late

[dawn heath]

oh maybe im bugged too

[coral ibex]

i'm also a week behind on gallagio rep for no reason

[dawn heath]

cause i just logged in

[coral ibex]

havent missed a raid night or boss

[dawn heath]

people say u should have 3.5

i have 2.0 sparks

like

?????

[coral ibex]

xd

[dawn heath]

and i just bvought

then i realized

i dont have a spark

[real pike]

I'm trying the stix build and I just can't get on with it 😦 struggle to get CT in, run out of energy more and overall less damage

[coral ibex]

dont run CT on stix

[real pike]

:/

[balmy condor]

CT good

just pool into add waves

[real pike]

am I CTing in ST bits or only when waves come

[balmy condor]

only waves

[real pike]

oki I try again

[balmy condor]

you're snapshotting the damage bonus from hitting multiple targets

that's the goal

[real pike]

I was trying to keep it up in ST

so trying again but being less shit this time

[coral ibex]

[dawn heath]

did u end up getting at all?

or were u just fucked for the week

[coral ibex]

i just got a spark today

for 3

like i got my 6th half

[dawn heath]

y

i have done

the quest

i have 5

did 2 normal bosses

no half spark yet

maybe it comes

[coral ibex]

did you check the catalyst

that person has a half spark

for free

[dawn heath]

yep nothing there

[coral ibex]

rip

yea ur worse off than me

[dawn heath]

well idk

if it just hasnt dropped

or if im bujgged

[golden loom]

I got my 7th half today

[dawn heath]

either way im 0.5 behind atleast

or a full spark

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[real pike]

do I fok to build during waves?

[dawn heath]

and i just burned this weeks crest on a item i cant use

if i dont get my half

[balmy condor]

4 or more targets

[real pike]

oki

[red schooner]

Well, the time has come, for stix prog

save me

[real pike]

just did less damage again trying it 😦

I think I just suck balls when any kind of change is introduced

[coral ibex]

is CT really worth it on stix, only 2% of people are on it

[red schooner]

more boss damage more add damage

ez win

[balmy condor]

yeh

if you can get like 8% CT damage on details it's just strictly better single target and more add damage

it's just ovi'nax all over again

[coral ibex]

i feel like ovinax adds were more present

[devout jasper]

hey what we need to use thistle teas in opener and mid fight?

[coral ibex]

so it was easier to keep 5+ target CT on the slug

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[bronze pike]

@marble hemlock

remember when we talked about making disc a support spec?

[fallow canopy]

at some point you'll get even

[devout jasper]

thanks a lot^^

[bronze pike]

i just found out today from a friend theyre doing 8million powerword shields every 6 seconds

[balmy condor]

yeah but ovi'nax was way overkill on uptime

[bronze pike]

11mil crits

[cinder steppe]

can we soak the sprocketmonger mines with cloak_

[tepid meadow]

hi i'm a bit dense, do you ever use your fok proc if you're talented into vicious venoms?

[static glacier]

issue isnt for us

it's for the raid

[balmy condor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[cinder steppe]

[coral ibex]

guess ill give CT a try next time i see stix

the adds are not usually dumped on the boss at the same time so

getting 5t uptime might be sus

[golden loom]

maybe I have to try it now

but idk

[haughty flicker]

im definitely trying ct when we get to stix

[real pike]

for me, it doesn't feel good

[haughty flicker]

going to truck

[real pike]

it felt good on ovinax

it doesn't feel good here

but again, I bad

[broken sandal]

dumb q, but does my writhing armor bandinmg embellishment increase effectiveness if i were to re-craft my second craft to Gilded, or is the embelleshment value the same regardless of the item level its on?

[dawn heath]

WHJAT THE FUCK IM BUGGED

WHERE IS MY HALF SPARK

[haughty flicker]

idk whippy posted details where it almost beat kingsbane on boss damage

ct seems kind nice on stix

[golden loom]

well kingsbane is poop

[haughty flicker]

well yeah but it was still like 8-9% something like that

[balmy condor]

it doubles whatever your ascendance is

writhing doesn't scale

[dawn heath]

im gonna lose my mind

[haughty flicker]

6%

basically 8

if you squint

[real pike]

which is basically 10

[balmy condor]

I was getting 6% yeah

was still better though funny enough

[warm vortex]

Getting closer pog

[real siren]

when it says "BIS Overall gear" its obv M+/Raid. Do you wanna get more of a specific stat when you are doing one of those 2 only?

[dapper halo]

since i have the haste mastery neck, should i just go ahead and make the dagger, dont really know what else to put the spark towards to

[real pike]

!stat

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

m+ you want less haste, otherwise slam ilvl, keep mastery high

[real siren]

thx

[real pike]

nah I suck too hard with this CT cook I'm going back

just to let you chads parse higher, you understand

[haughty flicker]

ngl with how rik is going im expecting stix adds to survive long enough that i'll get ct value both for boss damage and add damage lmao

[real pike]

maybe it gets more value as you get further into the fight

[haughty flicker]

gonna be omegapadding

[real pike]

cause more waves

[balmy condor]

unironically CT would be a boss damage gain on rik if barrels always spawned in melee

the problem with rik is the fucking rng gamble on barrels

[golden loom]

took CT and got first ball set insta..

[haughty flicker]

imagine if they hotfix barrel spawns to always be near boss

sin stonks

[dapper halo]

rik barrels again

[hardy prairie]

can yall stop parsing heroic, i need this

[haughty flicker]

its ok this time its just tangentally a rik convo

doesnt count dont use the command

[balmy condor]

this is just a yap

no complain

[dapper halo]

you can easily get youself killed on gally if you shadowstep at wrong time

[haughty flicker]

i love shadowstep being like 30 teemos away from the boss

at least it doesnt send you to the shadow realm anymore

[dapper halo]

wtf is teemo

[haughty flicker]

a unit of measurement

[midnight atlas]

i was expecting more dmg, i miss branch meta

[balmy condor]

isn't timewalking pissrot ilvl

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[spice surge]

Yes

Its like -2k agility

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

tw is genuinely useless ilvl

even for alts

[spice surge]

The on-use is similar to heroic house of cards though

[haughty flicker]

they're super scared of any tw item becoming useful again

[spice surge]

Pretty sure the APL doesnt handle it optimally anymore

[haughty flicker]

so just make it omega useless

[spice surge]

But i dont think its better either way

[dapper halo]

i want the situation where there is legendary gosu trinket and you are considered worst ever if you dont have it

[haughty flicker]

Whetstone gaming

[dapper halo]

i think archimonde dropped one

[real pike]

just checked the dps on the highest Stix parses

fucking wild

[spice surge]

Ye but unfortunately for you trinkets are incredibly weak this season

[mental trout]

I’m driving home and wanted to listen to a sin rogue guide, any one know of a good one? Ones on YouTube seem to be 1 - 2 month old, not sure if any thing changed.

[haughty flicker]

It’s ok next season is when they massively overcorrect on issues from this season

So there will be an op as fuck trinket from last boss that takes 800 pulls to kill

[mental trout]

Usually go to whispyr for sin info

[dapper halo]

yeah, this one

https://www.wowhead.com/item=124636/maalus-the-blood-drinker

oh, it was a ring, poo

what was the trinket

it was absolutely mandatory

[haughty flicker]

That was the legendary though

So you just did the quest line and got it

[balmy condor]

mine are technically still up to date but I do need to update the bleed build video

some slightly changes cause of buffs

[midnight atlas]

tw upgraded to max its 619, would've been bad last season also

[mental trout]

Awesome, but for some listenin on the way home it will be fine. I’ll read up when I get home and account for changes

[empty mortar]

in the M+ build what poisons are you using? numbing and deadly or lethal?

[balmy condor]

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[empty mortar]

thanks!

[spice spire]

Feature kwan

Coward

[mental trout]

As far as a guide that goes over the rotation etc, is the most recent one from 7 months ago?

[balmy condor]

maybe I will

[spice spire]

God bless

[runic hinge]

Feature kwan bullying quake

[balmy condor]

I have a season 2 video

[spice spire]

Yeah I already said feature kwan

[thorn thorn]

Burns so sweet

[mental trout]

Ok I’ll look for it

Thanks

[abstract sparrow]

So I'm starting to play my rogue alt, assassination to be specific. Hit a training dummy and the amount of debuffs was crazy. What is actually worth showing on the nameplates?

[haughty flicker]

Bleeds

Get rid of the poisons

[midnight atlas]

Deathstalker mark, rupture, garrote, kingsbane

crimson tempest also

[abstract sparrow]

Got it

[fleet pagoda]

you can probably blacklist doomblade and serrated bone spike as well

[midnight atlas]

ofc they are visual noise

[novel star]

replace kingsbane with spatter no?

sorry i’m not active in here anymore i don’t even play the game rn i lost my rights to disagree with ppl

[lilac tulip]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[midnight atlas]

yeah spatter could also be tracked on nameplate. but i track it with a weakaura

[novel star]

fair

either one works really

but

[warm vortex]

Boys

[novel star]

tracking spatter more impact than kb if u had to choose

[warm vortex]

Let's fucking go

[novel star]

and are trying to get minimum debuffs

[novel star]

gz

[red schooner]

now you can quit the game

[warm vortex]

98 parse btw

[sonic zinc]

for the m+ builds on wowhead, the fatebound one u just switch to ds at high keys yea? otherwise play fatebound or bleed build?

[runic hinge]

Don’t play fatebound

It’s very bad in aoe

[sonic zinc]

ok good phew

[runic hinge]

Play bleed build DS

[dawn heath]

legit how does this even happend

how can i be a full spark behind

not even a half

[sonic zinc]

did u do the weekly quests for box

[dawn heath]

yep

[sonic zinc]

like the titan disc one?

[dawn heath]

yes

i got my half spark from it

but that gave me 2.5 spraks

not 3.5

[sonic zinc]

did u miss a week?

and no catchup spark yet?

[wise whale]

Known bug

[dawn heath]

missed no weeks

[wise whale]

Same with renown bug

Tariffs gg

[fallow canopy]

[odd heath]

Last week my weekly quest bugged and I didn't receive my half spark. It appears that if you are logged in the game when the weeklies reset, this bug happens

But someone discovered a workaround for it

If you complete the Sparks of War PVP weekly, you also receive half a spark

if you are missing any

worked for me

[limber lion]

Ew PvP

[odd heath]

ye... had to engage in the minigame

trying to kill rares and people kept trying to pvp, lame

[fleet pagoda]

you get like 5 sparks from wax, i think wq's (can) award them this season too. if you need to do it again

[patent gust]

Did blizzard change something with macros

#showtooltip
/cast [nocombat]!stealth
/cast [stealth][stance:2]ambush : mutilate

I've used it for ages and now it doesn't abush out of stealth

[sonic zinc]

colon, not semi colon?

: vs ;

[patent gust]

I never changed anything with it and it just stopped working

Odd

[golden loom]

last pull of the night lil 1% wipe.. @coral ibex

[red schooner]

Whilst I don't like being envenom the spec, the dry shiv, makes me happy

[sonic zinc]

THERES A DRY SHIV NOW

??

[red schooner]

ye

more fun than the wet shiv

because big crit

[gritty laurel]

you send it straight into DN during lingering darkness on cooldown windows before non-DM KB

[sonic zinc]

so proc dn -> shiv -> kb?

[red schooner]

nah, lingering darkness after deathmark is up, + DN, + shiv

= giga envenom

[sonic zinc]

ah

[coral ibex]

ct?

[golden loom]

nah

[red schooner]

I got a 30 mil crit on vexie

I was hoping for more

But, we take it

[gritty laurel]

highest i've hit so far is 13m, that 16m is juicy

haven't paid attention to vexie ones though

[red schooner]

Every time the dry shiv comes up I stare at details, and grin as I jump up a spot or two in one hit

Its a good life

[golden loom]

boss lived with 150m hp and even though we sent balls into boss insta we missed some trash and missed out on like 300m damage

😢

[coral ibex]

fugggggg

yea we had 2 2.5% wipes and then regressed for an hour

[cyan trellis]

Is dry shiv only a thing in raid/2 charges? I try in m+ seems luck based to get it but idk

[coral ibex]

and then we CHACHED the boss, killed it 20s faster than any pull before

[golden loom]

I also had a recycler target me with cloak down, energy starved and heard call to go into boss, never felt more helpless XD

[red schooner]

we go to stix prog monday

I am... frightened

[golden loom]

was just trying to get ANYTHING out before getting headshot

[coral ibex]

i wonder if you can vanish it

[golden loom]

nah I tried today again

was convinced it worked last week

this week it for sure didnt

[red schooner]

also, whilst I don't like being giga energy starved, having vanish available for deathstalkers mark, pretty nice.

[gritty laurel]

in M+ you just send shiv on cooldown in single target anyway so you're always doing it, the envenoms are just way smaller because no supercharger/forced induction

[golden loom]

even tried to do it like Maexxna in classic and vanish at 0,5 seconds on the cast, it just hit me anyways

[severe meadow]

Myself and another Rogue perfected that way back when, everyone got wrapped and we'd be blowing the boss up, fun times

[golden loom]

u should see the degen things people do now, even on hardcore

my guild had all warriors petri flask to skip the web just like vanish and just nuke her

[dawn heath]

what is that quest?

is that arena? pls no

[warm vortex]

Finally

A full heroic parse set

[worn igloo]

eyyy gz

[severe meadow]

I had a lot of fun parsing back then

[thorn thorn]

Now get all orange

[coral ibex]

i need to fix my mugzee and gally parses

still purp

[severe meadow]

Rogue was so braindead then though

[cyan trellis]

Thanks boss haven't tried assa in raid yet playing sub right now

[golden loom]

an impostor has been spotted among us at the bottom...

[coral ibex]

those are wotlk parses tho

where are the vanilla logs

[severe meadow]

I didn't pve in vanilla, only degen pvp'd

[golden loom]

I need to keep leveling my warrior, I really wanna parse on hc now, was scared to die + much worse + IEA duty before I played retail

[severe meadow]

I lost all motivation to keep going on HC, made it to level 34 or something and just stopped playing

[odd heath]

some world pvp shit, just like the discs weekly, but wm on

[golden loom]

Died on military wing trash

we also had a tank crisis so we were doing 6/15 naxx clears for like a month and a half

when I was in the roster

[pliant jay]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[cerulean nest]

we posting classic parses today?

[golden loom]

oh right sorry

back to LFR parses

[coral ibex]

how serious do you think my wotlk guild was

we had a guy called hotdogshower

[golden loom]

horde guild named HOG CRANKERS? now there are some players that rip threat with windfury FOR SURE

[coral ibex]

i never found out if it was shower like cleaning or shower like presenting

[dawn heath]

i see, i have no world quests in azj-kahet tho wtf?

[golden loom]

might need to choose a pact @dawn heath

[real pike]

holy fuck we killed Stix

[coral ibex]

gg

[real pike]

and I got a 35 parse

[golden loom]

wish that was me

[real pike]

would have been 25 with CT

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-minute-hour-shoebody-bop-gif-25655421

[golden loom]

stuck going to bed with a 1% wipe in my mind

[coral ibex]

stay hungry

[real pike]

major oof

[golden loom]

atleast theres only 2 more workdays until another week of vacation lfg

[coral ibex]

we killed stix and then wiped to sprocket for 20 mins while people fucked up the same mechs that are in heroic

[dawn heath]

i got a ticket response saying

skill issue

working as intended

[real pike]

we extended for Stix

sprocket dies Sunday

(allegedly)

[coral ibex]

lmao that's what my ticket responses say when i open them for my bugged gallagio rep

EXTENDING FOR STIX???

[errant heath]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[real pike]

ye we extend 30 mins when we're close to a kill

[coral ibex]

ohhh

like more time

[golden loom]

oh

[coral ibex]

not like

[waxen oyster]

OVERTIME POLICE

[coral ibex]

extend ur lockout from last week

[golden loom]

I thought you meant u extended the lockout

[real pike]

ohhhh no

[waxen oyster]

COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP

[real pike]

sorry hahah

[coral ibex]

i was like damn bro that is TOUGH

hell yea overtime kills feel great

[real pike]

we only raid 5 hours a week so we go extra 30 mins when we're about to kill

[coral ibex]

understandable

[golden loom]

It would also be extra crazy cause you just kill first boss and u can do any of them

[real pike]

now we get a full 3 hours on sprocket on Sunday

feelsgood

[waxen oyster]

wtf does sprocket do

for melee

[coral ibex]

nothing

[waxen oyster]

looks kinda uninvolved

[golden loom]

so maybe if ur brickwalled by vexie u need to extend for stix

[coral ibex]

literally just thaddius in 2025 btw

sometimes you soak

[waxen oyster]

bro vexie has killed

[coral ibex]

sometimes

[waxen oyster]

so many people

on her spawn

[golden loom]

thaddius is legit harder than ansurek change my mind

people do NOT know left and right

[waxen oyster]

So nothing has changed

[coral ibex]

making the jump to thaddius is harder than ansurek

[waxen oyster]

in 20 years

[golden loom]

the first 2 people that got atiesh on the hardcore server I played on, died to going wrong side

[waxen oyster]

The hardest fights in wow raiding

are ones that require players

to queue their mic

[coral ibex]

https://streamable.com/stp0oz

first 5 minutes pulling sprocket btw

eyes bottom left

[golden loom]

[real pike]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vHBTAMD7R6yznbdg?fight=72&type=damage-done&source=333

if anyone fancies telling me why exactly I suck balls and how I can do better next time

[pastel roost]

Quick question, is there a specific spec better suited for progress Stix ? at first glance i would say Assassination, but i'd like to be sure

[real pike]

please be my guest

[waxen oyster]

wait what knocks you

[coral ibex]

red hunter walks into blue soaker -> blue gets knocked into red -> red gets knocked into blue -> repeat

[waxen oyster]

sitting all rogues is optimal stix spec

[golden loom]

random lil thing u can do since ur holding cooldowns is sending a shiv for your first darkest night

[fallow canopy]

rite of passage on that boss tbh

[coral ibex]

UH OH

a tale in 4 parts

[waxen oyster]

walking into red circle knocks you?

[coral ibex]

colors touching knocks you back

[waxen oyster]

Sprocket seems like an easier boss than stix

[coral ibex]

you only see opposite colors tho

for visual clarity

well yours and opposites

so if you see someone with no circle walk into someone with a circle, that's bad

[real pike]

I think I did it wrong cause he did the floaty thing as shiv came up

so I decided to just hold it instead

[coral ibex]

he means on your literal first DN

like during lust

[golden loom]

yeah

[coral ibex]

since you regen the shiv anyway

before cds

[golden loom]

dry shiv is fried on the first anyways

[pure oriole]

Stupid question. W/ indiscriminate talented… do you have to tap target your garrotes and ruptures or just stay on target and let it naturally spread ?

[golden loom]

rather just send double shiv on kingsbane and hit some adds with it imo

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[real pike]

ohhhhhhh

first DN not first LD

[golden loom]

yeah

its for sure better than a mutilate so

[limber lion]

🥜

[real pike]

ok trying this bleed build in a key

[real pike]

thanks bois

[gloomy otter]

how do i sim which craftet item would be the best for me?

[spice spire]

Top gear

Place the names in and run

[gloomy otter]

ty

[dawn heath]

i just completed the quest

i did not get it

i just got pranked into doing pvp

[merry tapir]

idk if its just me, but i feel like workshop its terrible key for assa, im struggling on doing a decent dps. Meanwhile in others i pump

[runic hinge]

WS just an ass dungeon

Not in the good way

[fleet pagoda]

numbers in workshop and top are always a fair bit lower than the giga pull dungeons. such is life

[merry tapir]

true, but also im pretty low compared to the other dps in the key

maybe just skill issue

[coral ibex]

thanks for guinea pigging that for me

[dawn heath]

im gonna lose my mind

they responded to my ticket like wtf

they told me to do another cache

i did

got nothing

xd

[haughty flicker]

Yeah unfortunately I would not hold out much hope of blizzard helping

Definitely keep submitting tickets but it’s a bit doomed

[dawn heath]

i only have 1 embelishment

so was gonna look to craft the second one this week

and i already bought this

but had no spark for it

[fleet pagoda]

just make a new rogue, should have all sparks on them

[dawn heath]

so actually just wasted my gilded

[hot pasture]

kezan is good for assa?

[coral ibex]

if you have 2 sparks how can you have 1 embelli

[dawn heath]

made neck

as second

[coral ibex]

L

[haughty flicker]

[storm forum]

Oof

Wait where did ur 3rd spark go?

[haughty flicker]

I took it

[dawn heath]

i am bugged

i wont recieve it

[haughty flicker]

It was me Barry

[fallow canopy]

I'm gonna be a silly goose and ask, have you checked your banks?

[coral ibex]

blizzard is holding it hostage

[dawn heath]

yes i have

[coral ibex]

i'm having the same issue but with my 7th half

[dawn heath]

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=86369/a-sparkling-fortunei checked this quest also

i have

5

[coral ibex]

well, technically my 6th half

[dawn heath]

isnt that crazy

5

and im capped

[coral ibex]

i should have 7 but i just got my 6th today

[storm forum]

o7

[dawn heath]

i also made a mistake with my vault today

today has been a bad day

[gleaming bough]

what are the sim settings for M+?

[runic hinge]

Dslice

[gleaming bough]

money thank you

[runic hinge]

[fallen orbit]

damn man i need to improve a lot when i see that dmg u do haahah 😄

[signal crescent]

Hello what is best to sim as ass rouge in m+ ?

[fleet pagoda]

4 messages above yours sir

[signal crescent]

oh iam blinde 😛 thanks

[polar rampart]

consistently

[vast shuttle]

just got the signet of priory when should i use it?

[polar rampart]

with deathmark

[fleet pagoda]

macro to deathmark and forget it till next season

[vast shuttle]

its rlly good tho 7k crit for 20 sec is broken

[polar rampart]

it prolly should give mastery if your stat breakdown is right

[vast shuttle]

isnt mastery crit?

[dawn seal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xyfWqT96NQH4s5VefxYuc9 can someone check me sim

I feel like ring should be a better upgrade but not sure

I wanted to craft a head piece

[fleet pagoda]

why not include that in the sim?

[dawn seal]

oh wait

I can

omg u are so good

[fleet pagoda]

helmet's a big jump though. 30 ilvl on an agi item

[warm vortex]

Holy only learnt how tiny my rats are to other ppl

[fleet pagoda]

it's good

[dawn seal]

but its heroic

[warm vortex]

They are like actual rat sized

[dawn seal]

I can make a 675 h elmet crafted

[warm vortex]

Compared to the cat size they are

[dawn seal]

and take myth sholder or ring

[coral ibex]

mastery and crit are different stats?

[warm vortex]

Crastery

[devout fiber]

!tierset

which pieces to make tierset

is shoulder ok?

[fleet pagoda]

sure. could sim it too if you have options

[polar rampart]

exactly the same

[devout fiber]

Well I only have head and legs as pieces rn

could do chest

[vast shuttle]

bro i just know mastery makes ur dots better xd

[polar rampart]

thats all you need to know

[torpid sleet]

just finished the mage tower but no achievement what happend?

pls any1 help me :3

[pure oriole]

Any useful macros you guys running ? Outside of targeting style macros

[warm vortex]

Wowhead BiS list
Ik you shouldn’t use BiS lists but I’m p sure the one on wowhead is good to use for tier

[vast shuttle]

what is that bar u have over ur spells?

[torpid sleet]

in the middle of the screen?

[vast shuttle]

yes

[torpid sleet]

its a weak aura i can send it to you

if you want

[vast shuttle]

yes pls

[torpid sleet]

https://wago.io/WXF4MaBV7/67

[vast shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/addfj27HeiLW8tydg3Gkjw

is my dps bad?

651 ilvl

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vast shuttle]

bruh i dint understand shit XD

[sour oasis]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[safe rampart]

y

[nova kelp]

that depends on what you're trying to sim, this is hybrid build? So you're siming your single target you expect to see in a dungeon environment? But full raid buffs?

Given those things though, it's not terrible I don't think, ST isn't exactly our dungeon builds forte

It could be worth giving the Bleed build a sim to see if it's better for you

[mystic osprey]

Hiya!

[vast shuttle]

i have no clue about this siming stuff i just copied something lol

[scarlet cliff]

Your sim is running a 5min single target boss fight with an M+ build so that's why it's looking low

try changing the build to the reccomended single target build if you wanna see your best single target dmg

or change the sim to dungeonslice and keep the build the same if you wanna see your m+ dmg

[nova kelp]

Well the dungeon builds single target isn't exactly flashy anyway

given what you're simming there though it does seem fine™

but yeah, I would suggest trying to sim things as close to the environment it's likely to be used in.

eg, turning off raid buffs and changing it to dungeon slice for a build intended to be used in a dungeon

I would reiterate though trying a sim with the bleed build that has no KB etc etc, it does seem to have been pumped up a bit recently with sim iterations and adjustments to ambush etc etc

[vast shuttle]

i dont understand anything what u saying lol sorry, never ever used a sim before sry

just simed a quick dps thing that the site showed

[scarlet cliff]

change from patchwork to dungeonslice, since you are running a m+ build

[vast shuttle]

ok did that now

is it important to change build on raid and m+?

[scarlet cliff]

yeah

the mythic+ build is great for fighting many targets but not great at fighting just one target

[nova kelp]

yeah, things like the buffs you'd expect to see will dramatically impact your results
Like if you sim yourself with full raid buffs and then do 60% of the result when you hit the dummy you'll be in the depths of despair thinking you just suck

[vast shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h3VMNbF4L9nDeNfR6c65ac

with dungeon slice

bad?

[solid pilot]

whatcha cookin

[solid pilot]

why ?

its goos

good*

tho after the buffs

hybrid will start to shine

around +13 or +14

keys

I found bleed build basicly mor sufficient for lower keys

and its funy

to just

bleed

and then shiv

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[real pike]

Wait what buffs

[solid pilot]

well the last ones ?

aaaround 6% overall

[fallen orbit]

O played hybrid now i am going to try bleed.

[solid pilot]

hybrid is good

but on higher keys

targets dont drop instantly

before we can ramp

God i need to manage my dps

on sprocket

anoying piece of shit

[scarlet cliff]

I'd also put some gems in your ring/neck, enchant your offhand dagger, and try and get a seaforium pacemaker to replace the energy drink, otherwise this looks good for your ilvl

[real pike]

Oh bleed is recommended pretty much everywhere now I think

[vast shuttle]

ah cause i tought i was doing rlly shit

[balmy condor]

In what situation

[solid pilot]

all of it

[balmy condor]

What buffs are causing this

[solid pilot]

oi somone said it here

im just babbling his words

[balmy condor]

But bleed build is better in single target

[solid pilot]

I went bleed and its fun

bring back hemo

but on sprocket I have really hard time

to keep up the dps

dunno why

[vast shuttle]

i dont have any slots left for gems for neck/ring

[solid pilot]

just change those oyu have ;p

[vast shuttle]

what should i change them too then?

[vast shuttle]

where can i get the trinket then?

[solid pilot]

@balmy condor for m+ its better to run sefourium over mechano core yes?

or overall its better option

simming didnt help

[balmy condor]

Generally yeah, mechanocore would help if your signet is getting fucked over

[solid pilot]

difference 10dps or somethin

[balmy condor]

Sims will account for that

[solid pilot]

mhm

[royal lantern]

10dps 😮

[solid pilot]

in 10ks

dont like to add the whole bilio etc etc

but ye it was non existnetn

on sims

i Got priory

and HoC

[real pike]

@balmy condor without popping a blood vessel can you give your opinion on restealthing with bleed build

[balmy condor]

Mechanocore very good at equal lick

[solid pilot]

mhm

well sad i have champion only ;/

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter just as much as it doesn’t matter for any other build

[solid pilot]

and sometimes it feels really weird

you got tons of energy

and then bum

you';re are 40

struggling xD

but somone said here that pooling atm is not so good

[balmy condor]

Poisons don’t matter enough to make pooling worth anything

[vast shuttle]

talking to me?

[balmy condor]

Pooling is only valuable if you can move the energy from a low point to a high point

And right now that’s not a thing that makes a difference

Our damage profile has flattened quite a bit

[solid pilot]

mhm sounds logical

yeah I noticed

[vast shuttle]

ye i kinda struggle a bit with energye time to time

[runic hinge]

Pooling for shiv windows

[solid pilot]

tho i didnt play sin since well a lil bit of s1 df

and sl

[balmy condor]

If we had like subtlety levels of burst and Kingsbane was 50% stronger or sanguine blades was insano strong in single target

Then we’d be talking

[solid pilot]

nerfed in s1

I still remember reading your guide

[balmy condor]

But in raids all of our damage is like, the instant damage of envenom, poison bomb, mutilate damage, etc

It’s all flat damage

[solid pilot]

when you wrote "KB is dead, worthkless"

etc etfc

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter when that happens

[solid pilot]

muti hits like a truck now

btw

i imported your plater

at first it was all fine

now i Dont see the deathstalker mark

:L<

[runic hinge]

I wish I could import a brain

[solid pilot]

you can import an implant

ask mr. musk

[balmy condor]

I gotta find a color for mark with no caustic

[solid pilot]

k

[balmy condor]

It is a bit hard to find

Will update maybe later this week

[solid pilot]

I had hard time finding anything in plater XD

at first

it just overwhelmed me

but still your plater works best for me aactualyl