But ye the twist the knife stuff is qustionable at best, mostly for a minor increase in singletarget
#assassination
small cairn
!fuu
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analog field
Is KB and IW good for bleed? I have untalented SB but I was thinking of dropping just KB and MA for SB? What are your thoughts ? I feel like MA is not very useful as I spam garrotes/ruptures after vanish mostly.
stuck knoll
Can confirm Eleem yesterday was not the we played insane into Bandit kill
We had our best pull after @marble hemlock gave a speech and our RL put a funny voice on 30 minutes before raid end 
spice surge
Is KB and IW good for bleed? I have untalented SB but I was thinking of dropping...
Kb is whatever as you dont have 2x poisons, but ma is still really good as its 12 seconds
You dont apply ruptures and garrote for 12 seconds straight and even if you did youve had tons of ticks of them during that time
spice surge
We had our best pull after <@210784027752398848> gave a speech and our RL put a ...
Motivational speech goes hard 
Unfortunately coins and tornados are too tasty for us, so no bandit vaults for us
analog field
You dont apply ruptures and garrote for 12 seconds straight and even if you did ...
Yeah I meant that some value is lost as you don't spam mutilate which with the buffs would go a long way
stuck knoll
It was kicks and not killing the 3rd add we struggled with
spice surge
Its aoe, you wouldnt spam mutilate either way
balmy condor
Maybe YOU wouldn’t
rain oyster
How decent is motherlode trink? Or is it ass since it’s a 15 sec proc?
spice surge
20% crit is an insanely high number for a 12s buff
rain oyster
Only real choice in vault
balmy condor
How decent is motherlode trink? Or is it ass since it’s a 15 sec proc?
It’s just undertuned
coral ibex
can anyone give me a good reason for the FI build in high keys other than "i like it"
rain oyster
Ty king
haughty flicker
wtf is the fi build
rain oyster
YOLO taking it cause everything else is turbo ass
spice surge
can anyone give me a good reason for the FI build in high keys other than "i lik...
+3% st
haughty flicker
oh the forced induction shit people have been doing
spice surge
Not at the cost of like 15% aoe no
fossil sand
If I'm not raiding Mythic atm, should I take Mythic Wep (verse/mast) over Mythic Tier Gloves from vault? Simming gloves is 0.3% higher over the weapon since i have 2 crafted weps, but feels like mythic track wep is better long term?
coral ibex
man i hate the cargo cult talent build thinking
balmy condor
2 crafted weapons 
coral ibex
"he's using the build and is good so i should use it"
coral ibex
-> everyone using FI build in high keys
balmy condor
I mean I would probably take hands idk
2 crafted daggers is diabolical though im ngl
fossil sand
well i would still use dagger swap for diff embelishments btw raid and m+
inland escarp
With the first two sparks too
balmy condor
That’s doubly diabolical
fossil sand
it was 3rd spark last week
coral ibex
well i would still use dagger swap for diff embelishments btw raid and m+
you realize there's a single boss in the tier that is pure ST and therefore better to have depths for right
balmy condor
Crafting a weapon for a swap of an embellishment when every embellishment is barely 1%
polar rampart
it's 2% in my heart
balmy condor
I mean surely it’s a hands angle
taking the myth dagger would just mean throwing one of the daggers away
fossil sand
true haha
dapper cradle
just take the hands bro please bro
polar rampart
that's why i crafted 1 :x
polar rampart
3rd
little tulip
always take mythic mh
by the way
they're stooper rare
compared to a 4set upgrade via catalyst
balmy condor
little tulip
or a ring/trinket for example
haughty flicker
little tulip
you can do high keys with hero weapons buuuuuut
coral ibex
are they rare? we got the dagger off rik 2 weeks in a row
spice surge
-> everyone using FI build in high keys
People dislike doing very low damage on ST bosses, but instead of owning it and going "ye i do low ST but i stomp on aoe" they instead try some middle thing where they still do low ST (just not that low) but they sacrifice their enormous aoe. Which is kinda just the worst of both worlds
balmy condor
you can do high keys with hero weapons buuuuuut
He has double crafted mate
dapper cradle
balmy condor
Did you read
little tulip
myth track main hands are fatty fat dps increases as stats go up
fossil sand
if im not raiding mythic then a mythic dagger is rare
little tulip
no i didn't
balmy condor
Clearly
balmy condor
This guy
polar rampart
speaking of craft where should i use my 3rd one ;p
little tulip
but also 40 dungeons before first hero track dagger sooo
get rick rolled blizzard i guess
dapper cradle
speaking of craft where should i use my 3rd one ;p
make a third dagger
balmy condor
speaking of craft where should i use my 3rd one ;p
I’m probably using it on a neck
coral ibex
People dislike doing very low damage on ST bosses, but instead of owning it and ...
yea this makes sense to me but the other rogue in my guild is much more experienced and an io pusher and he says FI is basically required since we already do big aoe
little tulip
ye chest/legs then shoulders and head if you can help it for raw agi and best secondary stats every week til it evens out
little tulip
rip hairline dot com
polar rampart
would play that race
spice surge
yea this makes sense to me but the other rogue in my guild is much more experien...
Well people also think the bleed build has terrible ST since it doesnt have KB, but it sims pretty much the same 
balmy condor
Cooking
royal lantern
Well people also think the bleed build has terrible ST since it doesnt have KB, ...
m+ is 250% vibes based, you know it mate lol
inland escarp
People underestimate zoldyck
royal lantern
people THINK something is good or bad = its a fact now
dapper cradle
gonna blast some bleed build keys this week
that shit's got me screaming and hollering
spice surge
Its moreso blindside being really good for ST, especially after ambush buffs
balmy condor
m+ is 250% vibes based, you know it mate lol
Something tells me that number is vibes based
little tulip
definitely still craft rune crafted kickers to 675 though
coral ibex
like i think he gets title every season so i assume he knows what he's talking about
royal lantern
Something tells me that number is vibes based
there is a 300% chance you are correct
coral ibex
Something tells me that number is vibes based
balmy condor
like i think he gets title every season so i assume he knows what he's talking a...
Me too 
KSM is a title right
dapper cradle
whisp is a notorious title pusher
royal lantern
like i think he gets title every season so i assume he knows what he's talking a...
dont wanna sound rude, but i legit hear the dumbest takes in the game from "got m+ title" guys often lol
little tulip
...leaving 13s cause we went through the wrong door on dawnbreaker is okay
coral ibex
we were just talking about the bleed build and i said i play it with kb and iw and then he said you dont play iw bc you play FI so no subt and here we are
spice surge
like i think he gets title every season so i assume he knows what he's talking a...
He might play good, but i can assure you that there are a lot of high m+ people that act like theyre double digits once they talk about theorycrafting and math stuff
coral ibex
little tulip
everyone should try smiling
coral ibex
he's a smart guy
balmy condor
we were just talking about the bleed build and i said i play it with kb and iw a...
-10% aoe pog
dapper cradle
everyone should try smiling
royal lantern
...leaving 13s cause we went through the wrong door on dawnbreaker is okay
mate, i had a prot warrior leave the key on the first pull of dungeon because i was playing iron wire and he said "you ruin my spell reflects"
never play m+ with randoms, you get the dumbest animals on the planet
coral ibex
doesn't matter much anyway im just gonna go for 3k io and then be done
little tulip
😉
uneven crag
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
runic hinge
doesn't matter much anyway im just gonna go for 3k io and then be done
real
cerulean nest
i often don't have a thistle tea charge up for my standalone KB even when macroing tea and shiv together
it should be on a minute CD from the first one but idk
spare lodge
Tea auto uses on low energy
little tulip
idk tea consumption depends on party dps
royal lantern
i often don't have a thistle tea charge up for my standalone KB even when macroi...
that lierally can not happen
unless you dont use kb on CD
a 1min cd cant desync from a 1min cd
cerulean nest
thats what im saying
royal lantern
idk tea consumption depends on party dps
...............what?
little tulip
last season there were a few fights were someone would die in a 10+s because everyone held dps cooldowns like chopper redhook due to powdershots getting extra casts
balmy condor
...............what?
Yeah like the faster you finish the key, the faster you get to drink tea
It’s a british thing
little tulip
should have sent that kingsbane dawg
static glacier
data drive deez 🥜
spice spire
It’s a british thing
Ty weezing appreciate you
balmy condor
Ty weezing appreciate you
I’ll ban you bro
spice spire
I’ll ban you bro
Ok mb mb
royal lantern
wtf thats racist
cerulean nest
fr though if you're wearing pacemaker in raid are you just resigning to wasting some uptime based on CD holding etc.?
cerulean nest
i meant uptime in terms of crossover with cds
coral ibex
if you dont hold cds it always aligns
cerulean nest
I understand lol. im saying in raid where there are times to hold
coral ibex
if you have to hold then yea you dont get alignment
just how it is
probably better to use 2x on use then
or maybe not
little tulip
idk still haven't figured out if opening with dm/kb or just kb pre bonus damage phase on vexie is ideal
pacemaker is that bad in raid?
cerulean nest
I got a rank 1 on vexie just opening normal and sending on cd
little tulip
it seemed pretty great to me, you just want to get fan of knives crits to extend crit effect where it counts which is all of vexie p1 and 2
ye i was running internal bleeding up until this week for the whole raids but then again why caustic spatter 1st boss on priory of the sacred flames
just fok and envenom spam
bikes have to die for vexie etc but on priory just wasting a global for some pad right ?_?
haughty flicker
first boss priory shares hp
any damage dealt to the miniboss damages the boss
so no its not padding its just free damage
little tulip
oh but they won't die first ever for sure
haughty flicker
well yeah
royal lantern
first boss priory shares hp
uhm, AKSHUALY they dont "share" hp, all dmg you do to the 2nd guy just gets replicated to the boss
haughty flicker
you're still prio hitting the boss
but any damage you can do to the miniboss is a gain
little tulip
no for sure tab over for a cute rupture for energy regen or something idk
haughty flicker
ie spatter
little tulip
minging global
i mean uh yeah wow def gapped some ppl doing caustic spatter with that one or theatre of pain first
or something
spice spire
you're still prio hitting the boss
Erm actually if you have a hunter you want to prio the add until 80% due to hunter’s mark
spice spire
Okay well it’s Ret pallies mages or hunters so hunters get my pass
viscid spear
Erm actually if you have a hunter you want to prio the add until 80% due to hunt...
I just pick one target, Spatter go brrr
little tulip
vibes but i think most of wow gen pop is still clearing stix/sprocket on heroic
we got to one arm bandit and are figuring out best combo for us
everyone gonna hit one armed bandit sometime this week or next...
gray horizon
Yeah Stix is gross. His first air phase is so toxic with our KB timing
But I'll tell you hwat boy. Caustic splatter CRANKS on that fight
static glacier
Yeah Stix is gross. His first air phase is so toxic with our KB timing
you just send cds on add spawns
so your kb doesn't have issues
coral ibex
we ofc cleared on one of my sloppiest pulls of the night on stix
and i got ball mech during a DM window
subtle tundra
haha gallywix died with 0 wipes in p3
we progged from 34% to 0% in 1 try
coral ibex
gg
runic hinge
haha gallywix died with 0 wipes in p3
we progged from 34% to 0% in 1 try
Gratz gamer
You can rest now
coral walrus
!plater
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Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
royal lantern
haha gallywix died with 0 wipes in p3
we progged from 34% to 0% in 1 try
give us painting updates
soft shale
royal pier
This is only if you have 2 charges talent, right? If not you just send at 8s KB regardless of deathmark?
spice surge
If you dont have 2 charges you'd just send shiv on cd
shy axle
do you use fok to build cps outside of the splatter activating muti on priory boss 1?
spice surge
And you likely dont have supercharger either
proud bane
can we step out of the gaol on mugzee if its targeted on us if we time it right or are we stuck in prison?
spice surge
So the entire paragraph is irrelevant
royal pier
Ooh the wording makes it sound like you're waiting for deathmark to be over to send shiv
instead of outside of deathmark in general, unless I'm misunderstanding still
sharp viper
do you use fok to build cps outside of the splatter activating muti on priory bo...
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
jade heath
In floodgate 12 and up, should I be cleaving off big momma or focusing adds first? My group says I should be on adds but don’t know how sin works
royal lantern
you always do adds lol
balmy condor
you focus adds by hitting the boss
runic hinge
Crimson tempest will be your top damage and you can say see I was hitting adds
earnest heron
damn i was just about to ask about fok as well
dapper cradle
!shiv
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
balmy condor
no
spice spire
!wetshiv
balmy condor
it's a fairly minor min-max and not all that complicated
broken chasm
from how many CT adds?
balmy condor
depends on the build
bleed builds cast CT in single target, hybrid builds cast it on 2 or more
broken chasm
HYBRID
coral walrus
!UI
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Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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balmy condor
ty 🙂
ember mural
Yw
balmy condor
shut up doz you rat fuck
ember mural
spice spire
shut up doz you rat fuck
Don’t disrespect my goat like that you koffing looking ass
balmy condor
the only disrespect here is how you're disrespecting yourself cosplaying an outlaw rogue
I thought it was April Fools, not Quake's a Fool
I'm a pokemon for april fools, I literally evolved
you downgraded yourself
spice spire
you downgraded yourself
Can’t go lower than me king dw
balmy condor
when they go low, quake goes on his knees and sucks me off
blazing kayak
what was your guys 3rd craft after boots and dagger
waxen oyster
I mean you dont need a third craft.
balmy condor
probably neck
waxen oyster
It's really just where rng fucked you.
scarlet cliff
i made thick neck because fuck farming that
balmy condor
somnius I'll literally kiss you irl
spice spire
i didnt give my cool sin fix to you quake?
Who are you speaking to
Surely it is not I
bronze pike
scenic nacelle
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
marble hemlock
This is only if you have 2 charges talent, right? If not you just send at 8s KB ...
mhhh this should say after deathmark, not before. just submitted a fix to that. 
real pike
yooooo did Cev update his plater profile or is it a whispyr wa update?
either way I have some lovely new visuals in dungeons
marble hemlock
Ooh the wording makes it sound like you're waiting for deathmark to be over to s...
you use 2 shivs with DM, then one after deathmark during lingering darkness to buff your DN envenom, then one more at the end of kingsbane without DM. then you wait until deathmark is up again to have 2 charges again. repeat.
uneven plume
What’s best boe item for us
coral ibex
sim question
royal pier
you use 2 shivs with DM, then one after deathmark during lingering darkness to b...
Got it, makes perfect sense now tyvm!
raven dome
am i understanding magnet correctly? so we only use it during lingering darkness and thats regardless of stacks?
and then outside of lingering i suppose you would use it at 30 stacks
raven dome
gotcha
jade abyss
https://tenor.com/view/get-blown-up-dog-dog-explosion-sticky-notes-gif-170716040...
Wtf
runic hinge
Goon hotline
balmy condor
GOON?
idk it's either kezan purely for the last 2 in raid
or idk what
dslice sim is still running
kind of shit as per usual
socket #2
dapper cradle
Rough vault sorry king
bronze pike
runic hinge
I took a chest to cata
runic hinge
My alt got it from the weekly last week
dapper cradle
Awooga mommy milky suck suck suck
balmy condor
yeh
bronze pike
or am i still technically married to you?
balmy condor
think so
balmy condor
they fixed the marriage
but you had to unequip and reequip 24/7
but then they fixed that too I think
bronze pike
ill find out later i guess
dapper cradle
Reequip this 
bronze pike
mud tank trinket is very good for vdh
i did like a ton last week
and that or pacemaker didnt drop
balmy condor
I see
prot war friend is back in priory hell for the tank trinket I think
magic absorb thing
dapper halo
so how about those rik barrels
bronze pike
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
storm forum
So is there rik barrel tech or are we still suggesting to play another class/spec?
haughty flicker
the tech is to play sub
runic hinge
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtletly.
spice spire
prot war friend is back in priory hell for the tank trinket I think
Warrior specific it’s crazy
dapper halo
i remember when we had to move our combopoints from target to target with a clunky tool
man that was bad
balmy condor
I'm ngl, if target points randomly went back to target specific today
I wouldn't notice
I'm only ever hitting the same mob over and over
dapper halo
even m+
balmy condor
not unless the mob I was hitting died
dapper halo
whatabout cc
balmy condor
what about it
haughty flicker
bro i aint pressing kidney shot fuck that
dapper halo
i get yelled at if i dont stun csters
haughty flicker
i need those combo points for damage
dapper halo
i sometimes even cheapshot a priority stun target if its a bad situation
bronze pike
like crazy stupid good
balmy condor
i sometimes even cheapshot a priority stun target if its a bad situation
assa rogue with cheap shot bound
in 2025
crazy
haughty flicker
if you're pressing vanish to cc you might as well just use iron wire and press garrote instead
spice spire
Ye
dapper halo
what do i sacrifice for the ironwire
haughty flicker
can drop sbs/doomblade for iw/kb
or just drop ma or something for just iw but that does kind of feel bad
or just drop sbs for iw and say fuck kb
balmy condor
could drop lightweight shiv as well but that ain't great either
hidden bay
what take from vault?????
obviously grim codex
unborn wharf
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
unborn wharf
jail
balmy condor
out of all the options you had available to you
haughty flicker
https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531
balmy condor
you could've literally picked any other talent
dapper halo
ok, so, what does the sims say, what is the smallest dps sacrifice for iw
balmy condor
sims say dropping lethal dose is the worst option
cause lethal dose
is fucking insane
dapper halo
doomblade it is then
limber lion
You were comparing doomblade and lethal dose?
That's wild
One of the worst talents vs the best talent
dapper halo
i blindly stared at percentages
unborn wharf
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
- Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.
stable notch
Someone who can help me out with logs? feels like doing mosly correct in my mind but the parses come out so low
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/94931707?mode=detailed&zone=42&boss=3015&metric=dps&difficulty=4&partition=1&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination
Dont know if its small adjustments or big mistakes but pretty low dps for my gear
tall atlas
trinkets are not great to start
limber lion
You have quite a few pulls where you do something very weird in the beginning for some reason
On Reverb, you forgot to press Vanish as well
tall atlas
is he playing the vanish build
limber lion
This is an odd start to a fight
tall atlas
nah no master assasin vanish is irrelevant
limber lion
Several seconds late, potting very early, a lot of the abilities spaced out by quite a bit
Not sure why you're spamming FoK there
tall atlas
This is an odd start to a fight
its mugzee hes saving his dm for after the first cages it seems
limber lion
No, this is Reverb
limber lion
You press FoK a lot for some reason
here's 3 again
If you're playing the full single target build on Reverb, you shouldn't be pressing FoK at all
stable notch
What about the last fight on mug'zee
stable notch
Yeah on reverb its just bad and I tried to change it on some later fights so thats a good point to adjust!
limber lion
This is incorrect usage of Kingsbane and Shiv
You should be having an Envenom up and rolling, pooling slightly before Kingsbane
And using Shiv before KB
stable notch
So what about this opening
limber lion
You're just sending a KB without any prep
stable notch
Ambsuh > Garotte > rup > Fok > envenom > Mark > shiv > KB
limber lion
He's playing Lightweight Shiv
tall atlas
ah ok
limber lion
So he should Shiv before KB and once at the end
Now he's using one Shiv 5s after KB
and never using the second Shiv
stable notch
How do you best use the second shiv
limber lion
Ambsuh > Garotte > rup > Fok > envenom > Mark > shiv > KB
Looks fine, but don't get too stuck on the opener
stable notch
since it's not for DMG aplifier?
limber lion
Opener is minimal in the grand scheme of things
It is a damage amplifier and a massive one at that
For Kingsbane
stable notch
My idea is kinda like, you use it before deaht proc on max cp envenom
limber lion
Kingsbane is Nature damage
If you use Lightweight Shiv, you use both Shivs with Kingsbane
One before, and one right after the first one ends
So it's Shiv - KB - 5gcds - Shiv
stable notch
Every KB cd
spice spire
Well
stable notch
Thats a good point
spice spire
Dry shiv exists now
limber lion
Yeh
spice spire
So not every time. But every dm window 1000%
But also to get to basics
Yeah just do every window
limber lion
If you wanna giga minmax it, you can send dry Shivs
But I don't think it's worth it yet yeah
stable notch
Maybe thats something for later haha
spice spire
Then do the optimization once your comfortable withbit
limber lion
Yep
stable notch
Anything else thats a big dps loss?
stable notch
Clean up opener -> Focus on shiv with KB cd
haughty flicker
getting too in character
limber lion
again, not sure what the plan is here
haughty flicker
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
balmy dome
!wa
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
limber lion
Or should do
haughty flicker
basically if you're using vv dont use fok for ctw on st
limber lion
You're using Shiv here too early before DM, which causes you to miss out on a tick of Shiv/KB
stable notch
So when is the best time to vanish into ambush during the fight? not really clear
haughty flicker
vv doesnt use imp gar or ma so vanish is not a dps cd
you just use it if you drop mark
limber lion
Whatever he is building, does
But yeah if you start playing the VV build (which you should on ST fights especially)
haughty flicker
is he still using old build
haughty flicker
op
stable notch
What is the new build, if my build is old? xd
limber lion
If you play this, you use Vanish as an offensive cd towards the end of KB
haughty flicker
ignore anything i said about vv then
haughty flicker
What is the new build, if my build is old? xd
limber lion
So you get the last 6s of KB/Deathmark/Shiv inside the MA window
limber lion
But you honestly should change to the VV build
stable notch
What is the VV build
limber lion
What Bel just posted
Your build, but you drop imp gar, ma and arterial
and take vv and ttb
or vv + arterial
And with that comes the new FoK rules as well which you should follow
Essentially, unbind FoK in single target fights and never press it
stable notch
ahhh
limber lion
these 2
stable notch
so you drop imp gar
limber lion
I would personally just play VV with Arterial Precision everywhere because I'm lazy
But if you wanna minmax for single target fights, you would drop Arterial for TTB
limber lion
so you drop imp gar
Yes and that solves the Vanish issues as well and then you don't need to press it unless you drop Mark
Which is kinda nice
stable notch
Yeah since i dont really get the CD otherwise in the fight
thought it was a mark refresher kinda
stable notch
ah yeah sorry
coral ibex
you've mashed a raid and m+ build together
limber lion
Not the raid build
fervent willow
when I'm not using 2 chages of shiv, do I still use before kingsban or in the middle?
stable notch
in my mythic build sec
haughty flicker
raid+
limber lion
when I'm not using 2 chages of shiv, do I still use before kingsban or in the mi...
I believe you can use your first Shiv towards the end and after that just send Shiv on cd
It is kinda situational though because you would only play single Shiv in Mythic+
limber lion
Yup
stable notch
And with this you just ignore FOK on any ST fight
haughty flicker
pretty much yup
limber lion
Basically
stable notch
What about fights with adds?
limber lion
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
haughty flicker
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
stable notch
Like stix / gally
haughty flicker
moroes spam op
limber lion
Yep
royal lantern
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
Wtf
stable notch
Thanks for the tips
will try to incorporate in next raid and hope for better trink as well
limber lion
Np gl
balmy condor
richard command goes hard
tall atlas
Riccardo vibrato
magic fossil
not priory
but ok right
priory would be so much better, but cant complain i guess
coral ibex
33.33 repeating of course
magic fossil
i have no idea, gingis ui
sometimes i dont even try to understand
some of shit that appears
spice surge
what are we doing
Probably some DR cringe
balmy condor
Probably some DR cringe
FIND OUT RIGHT NOW WHAT YOUR TRUESTAT™️ IS
spice surge
FIND OUT RIGHT NOW WHAT YOUR **TRUESTAT™️** IS
balmy condor
game too confusing?
download this addon that will show you more numbers that may or may not be important, may or may not matter, or hell, maybe they're just straight up wrong!
surely that's less confusing
waxen oyster
Why does no one call him dick vibration.
coral ibex
Why does no one call him dick vibration.
livid marlin
any good?
balmy condor
is it higher ilvl than what you have
runic hinge
One of those is me
livid marlin
mines gonna get recrafted in a sec
runic hinge
If you already used a spark on a neck might as well keep it
balmy condor
ye
balmy condor
seems like a waste if you crafted already
mossy sundial
we're so back baby 
balmy condor
never left
fleet pagoda
holey moley outlaw is owning
mossy sundial
eh the sub vacation was nice while it lasted
fleet pagoda
good tier for them i guess
fervent willow
with how many combo points should I use envenom?
waxen oyster
Generally speaking if you have a neck with that much haste you dont need haste elsewhere on gear.
Assa stats are kind of a balancing game.
balmy condor
with how many combo points should I use envenom?
5 cp for all finishers, darkest night envenoms with 7cp
red schooner
with how many combo points should I use envenom?
5 normally, 7 with darkest night
Superchargers are a myth
Ignore them
fallen orbit
I go almost always for 6-7 is it stupid ?
viscid spear
I should've done more, damn
balmy dome
"The dry shiv. With lingering darkness from deathstalker after your deathmark, you will recover a shiv charge in the last 10-15 seconds. During this time if you proc a Darkest Night, shiv into a 7cp envenom for a large darkest night hit. This is the biggest gain in single target out of everything above me."
Is this still accurate?
keen spruce
grim jay
richard command goes hard
weezing
spice spire
Fuck
balmy condor
I can't tell which one is the real zac
grim jay
the one with the baguette
balmy condor
which one do I shoot
haughty flicker
we've only just begun
grim jay
obviously
normal mist
which one do I shoot
Yes
viscid spear
which one do I shoot
Nuke the whole channel, just to be sure
spice spire
quake cosplay was honesltyt
Mad cuz bad
midnight mist
you had
haughty flicker
quake cosplay was honesltyt
idk i think he did a good job
midnight mist
wrong color
midnight mist
and you didnt type in multiple messages
spice spire
You literally had only 1 thing right (name color)
midnight mist
i made efforts
high walrus
m+ bleed build, based or cringe?
midnight mist
You literally had only 1 thing right (name color)
i had the icon, mostly the name, and mostly the pvp
normal mist
I gotta give it to zac, he owned
midnight mist
spice spire
m+ bleed build, based or cringe?
V based
spiral pasture
spice spire
I had to read the outlaw channel
midnight mist
ok and i had to read the assa channel
spice spire
That’s at least 70000 points minimum
normal mist
I had to read the outlaw channel
LOL
high walrus
I feel like my ST in m+ build is already awful
midnight mist
oh ye on that note
spice spire
how much worse ST is it
Like 1.3% iirc
high walrus
compared to most other classes
midnight mist
@balmy condor
high walrus
oh
spice spire
Blindside helps
balmy condor
how much worse ST is it
equal for me
midnight mist
that are imune
high walrus
thought it would be way worse with no kb
spice spire
It doesn’t change anything it’s still bad
midnight mist
with a big shield
spice spire
But
spice spire
It’s big aoe and big chilling
haughty flicker
how much worse ST is it
its a gain on st for me
grim jay
It’s big aoe and big chilling
bing chilling?
midnight mist
st gain i mean
viscid spear
you know you have adds
What are "adds"?
spice spire
The goons
viscid spear
All 8 fights in Undermine are Single Target
midnight mist
but they are kinda imune tho, i guess that doesnt matter much right
viscid spear
midnight mist
and also, since we dont shuriken storem anymore
with the raid builds
im not really applying poisons
high walrus
what the FUCK is a shuriken storm
midnight mist
but would it be worth doint it to apply poisons
or maybe you would auto them once or twice idk
balmy condor
yes
viscid spear
what the FUCK is a shuriken storm
Something from Naruto I think, I don't watch anime like a nerd
balmy condor
you're the one trying to min-max man
midnight mist
i mean is it just a minmax?
you perma have one add basically
that lives infinite
balmy condor
yes
midnight mist
idk, im not the one that plays assa, idk how much taht is worth
balmy condor
not very
midnight mist
any assa main in the chat
balmy condor
it's less than 1%
viscid spear
My neck should have three sockets, correct?
balmy condor
2
midnight mist
2
balmy condor
can't have 3
viscid spear
Wasn't 3 possible before in DF?
midnight mist
maybe
but this is tww buddy
get with the times
we were getting only one socketr on rings i believe
- no items to socket them
viscid spear
What's the item called again?
balmy condor
3 on necks were dragonflight, with 1 on rings
now it's 2 on neck 2 on ring
pretty sure
haughty flicker
What's the item called again?
magnificent jeweler's setting
viscid spear
Oh wow, my ring can have two too
runic hinge
Yes
opaque minnow
question for yall: I am considering running House of Cards and Priory trinket using HoC on Deathmark+Kingsbane and Priory on only Kingsbane. I'm not sure if sims are pairing where I would use the trinkets. Does this double on use sound viable?
balmy condor
it's awful
severe meadow
Not very good
opaque minnow
good call. ty ❤️
sonic schooner
Kingsbane became plebsbane again
normal mist
You just gotta imagine it is strong
balmy condor
kingsbane is much healthier now
sonic schooner
Fakezac
balmy condor
it's still kinda fine
coral ibex
i love being an envenom merchant
high walrus
any major rotational differences between bleed build and the >traditional m+ hybrid build
or is your CT just going ham
spice surge
Use CT on ST
cedar elm
what is the dps increase for correct tea optimization in burn windows?
drifting cloud
young flicker
alright, I play sin & sub..sooo should I take the cards or the mythic signet?
runic hinge
@final star When do we drink tea
young flicker
It's more than just a "Sim it" question due to the CDs lol
coral ibex
100% house of cards if you play sub
balmy condor
house of cards can be used on either spec, signet is poop for sub but you'll probably never see it again
so depends how much you really want to play sub I guess
young flicker
I'm like 70% sin 30% sub ya know
balmy condor
then it seems like the obvious choice would be signet
haughty flicker
take the myth track signet and just get an lfr hoc for sub
balmy condor
yeh
young flicker
I have a heroic transmitter for sub i guess
visual sun
so depends how much you really want to play sub I guess
so depends how much you really want to play sub do rik barrelIs guess fixed
balmy condor
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
haughty flicker
!riccardo
young flicker
so depends how much you really want to ~~play sub~~ do rik barrelIs guess *fixed...
true, stix can kinda blast with sub too
coral ibex
sub is fine on stix
turbid lion
hey i got a problem with the rogue cups and i couldnt find any help on the website does have link to customer support?
haughty flicker
just hit boss until it dies or you die irl
snow hamlet
balmy condor
hey i got a problem with the rogue cups and i couldnt find any help on the websi...
yeah send me a dm
high walrus
Use CT on ST
that's it? tight
spice surge
You also dont need to have envenom up before you deathmark
Since you know, theres no KB
haughty flicker
bleed build goated
high walrus
is bleedbuild literally just 10x comfier
haughty flicker
you get to play with blindside too
high walrus
haven't heard any downside
haughty flicker
downside in the past was st, but that doesnt really apply anymore
high walrus
so play like before but don't have to sweat about uptime because your bleeds are already ticking
and CT on ST
got it
haughty flicker
well i mean you still want as high uptime as possible bc thats just how the game works
copper kiln
Does anybody use a weakaura that automatically highlights the highest HP mob
spice surge
No, but most plater profiles colour mobs in dungeons nameplates
And they usually have one colour for "the big dude"
high walrus
whispyr plates with devlin WA my beloved
spice surge
!wa
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spice surge
Jundies and Quazi also have ones on wago, iirc both cev and whispyrs use one of those for mob colouring but they also have some assassination stuff added
balmy dome
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtletly.
haughty flicker
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
balmy dome
hahahahah
copper kiln
Jundies and Quazi also have ones on wago, iirc both cev and whispyrs use one of ...
tyty
uneven plume
Don’t forget the % chance of losing mark completely while target swapping
Because you envenomed at the same time target dies
haughty flicker
the best part is that im pretty sure they fixed that last season and now its back
haughty flicker
yeah idk why you'd swap there
its like legit the most perfect boss ever for sin
hit boss bleed adds do big dam
uneven plume
Sometimes shield happens and some mobs are high hp in a 15-16
uneven plume
I understand in a +8 you don’t
balmy condor
imagine playing a spec that can't target swap, and then target swapping
uneven plume
Can’t pray for a blood is life proc on that boss
haughty flicker
just need to sacrifice a gnome before you enter the dungeon
ruby quail
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/in8fcPNbSKuLJRgsLmQEcK Excuse me, is this the correct way of pretending?
runic hinge
I hope they buff fatebound a bunch
coral ibex
i hope they delete fatebound and come up with a better hero talent
haughty flicker
im actually really wondering what they plan to do with hero talents in midnight
like assuming we're keeping them going forward wtf do they add next expansion
do we go back to adding talents to the main tree? do we get more talents added to existing hero talents, or just another tree to choose from?
runic hinge
i hope they delete fatebound and come up with a better hero talent
Baited by todays date
radiant stratus
my main hope is they take each class and spec and give them TWO SPECIFIC hero trees each. Instead of shared ones. Like Assassin has two just for assassin, and outlaw has its own two. None of this share crap.
spice surge
Baited by todays date
Jokes on you i live in the future and its the second of april
runic hinge
mystic osprey
delete sin rogue
haughty flicker
delete my stupid chungus life
viscid spear
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1342263510649933865/ca...
THE WAY IS OPEN
scarlet sequoia
@balmy condor is there a lot of pooling on assa other than for kingsbane?
coral ibex
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
- Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> is there a lot of pooling on assa other than for kingsbane...
no
spice surge
Literally just hit buttons
scarlet sequoia
thats what i did
dunno if any good assa rogues have killed mugzee so wasnt sure how well i did
felt shit sometimes
coral ibex
i mean 21 guilds have killed mythic mugzee so surely they're pretty decent to be at that prog point rn
scarlet sequoia
could be the ones that played assa just respecced
i havent played assa since shadowlands myself
onyx gyro
ass rogue looking good on raid stats
manic haven
Literally just hit buttons
Scrolling up and catching up on some messages so apologies if I’ve misunderstood, would you say that in general you’re a fan of the bleed build and dropping KB and going all in on the aoe aspect for keys? And that the ST gain is minimal at best?
cloud fox
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
nova kelp
ass rogue looking good on raid stats
arse rogue is good, raid stats page is not
livid marlin
Nice, ended week nearly 660, completed all 10s woo
burnt star
when playing with a.p on raid with cleave. do u just send shiv like normal?
i.e i see on mugzee all assa go with ap
nova kelp
Nice, ended week nearly 660, completed all 10s woo
nice, query, you said a bit ago you were new to rogue, is that new to ROGUE or the game?
livid marlin
nice, query, you said a bit ago you were new to rogue, is that new to ROGUE or t...
rogue, been playing wow since i was 8, now 21 🙂
nova kelp
aight, well still solid work ma'am
livid marlin
aight, well still solid work ma'am
Thankyou, thankyou <33
spice surge
Scrolling up and catching up on some messages so apologies if I’ve misunderstood...
Yes
We've very recently done some improvements to how the sim handles builds without kingsbane (since it was previously kinda unthinkable to drop it)
nova kelp
it's still unthinkable! it's still unthinkable!!!!!!!!!! *cries
spice surge
So now it seems like the ST for bleed is actually higher than the hybrid one
nova kelp
the bleed build is ever so slightly higher for me atm yeah
spice surge
Sim it again
manic haven
Things we love to see
Still good to take the talent export for the bleed build from wowhead?
nova kelp
I was already leaning towards the bleed build just because of ease
spice surge
Uuuh should be
manic haven
Cheers!
long pollen
spice surge
It takes a while to stack
So its not good on short fights
(or if you have to be out of combat a lot, for like keys)
nova kelp
the bleed and hybrid ones still sim basically on par for me
mind, that is bleed rocking iron wire, so maybe technically not
oh wait, my pre loaded bleed build still rocks KB
sec
burnt star
wich one is the bleed build, the one under alternate?
balmy condor
yes
mystic osprey
Can anyone do a log review for me pls
burnt star
got confused cose it seem to be labelle as alternate for aoe
but from what im reading it doing good on st,
mystic osprey
Can anyone do a log review for me pls
spice surge
but from what im reading it doing good on st,
Good relative to other assassination m+ builds
burnt star
oh ya.. not for raid st !
balmy condor
it also got buffed like twice now
so
I'm gonna swap the main m+ build in the guides with the bleed setup
chilly marsh
on vexie do you guys hold DM or not?
nova kelp
well shit, I was just totally rocking on with feelycraft playijng thhe bleed build before
but aye, will I miss KB? probably not
worldly condor
!stat
dense cove
nova kelp
theres not really bad stats though
dense cove
any idea why my ambush details breakdown looks like this?
tawdry halo
For a boss fight?
dense cove
yep
tawdry halo
do you have a log instead? Not sure what we can gauge from this
dense cove
dense cove
do you have a log instead? Not sure what we can gauge from this
thanks for your help friend
i'm not even sure what is causing ambush to hit twice in some instances. is it a talent somewhere that i'm not seeing?
spice surge
Vicious venoms?
Nvm, but i think its just details being weird about mutilate transforming ambush with blindside
peak bobcat
gritty laurel
been trying to find the answer on my own but not having luck: how bad am i griefing myself if i have HoC macro'd to DM and it misses the last tick or two of KB?
i have signet, but would have to do dumb shit with a mastery potion and circlet to make it proc mastery right now
shy creek
been trying to find the answer on my own but not having luck: how bad am i grief...
not enough to stress over it probably
if ur pressed about a singular tick of damage, just unmacro it
spice surge
been trying to find the answer on my own but not having luck: how bad am i grief...
Its completely fine
gritty laurel
i know myself well enough to know i'm better off leaving it macro'd either way lol
thanks dudes
spice surge
KB stacks up so fast now
That the last tick isnt much of a big deal
Since the 4-5 last hits all do the same
lethal arrow
0 eye of kezans/0 jastors seen in 4 weeks btw
coral ibex
my guild has 0 hoc 1 heroic kezan and 1 normal jastor in 4 weeks
W
well, some have hoc from vault
no natty drops
viscid spear
0 eye of kezans/0 jastors seen in 4 weeks btw
I got a warbound Eye
deep gyro
!fok
shut coral
Stupid q - Does Circe's ever get replaced at all for Ass rogue (even by a 675 crafted ring?)
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
coral ibex
Stupid q - Does Circe's ever get replaced at all for Ass rogue (even by a 675 cr...
its got the stats of an ilvl 700 ring
gritty laurel
Stupid q - Does Circe's ever get replaced at all for Ass rogue (even by a 675 cr...
nope, not for assa or probably anyone else. it's roughly equivalent to ilvl 700
hollow river
It gets replaced on a lot of specs now
shut coral
its got the stats of an ilvl 700 ring
yeah, it seems off when i go to SimC it - IE : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1uLPA2tAXEE7VCn25cQNMh
shut coral
It gets replaced on a lot of specs now
yep, replaced it with a 665 Vers heavy Mintature roulette ring on Outlaw
shut coral
https://tenor.com/view/kenny-rogers-the-gambler-rock-gif-25038709
no cap XD
nova kelp
Oh I wasn't gona dispute it, there's just something ironically pleasant about the gambler spec, replacing something with a gambling ring
flavoured on a gambling game
shut coral
kenny rodgers yea haha
gritty laurel
that sim has a ring embellishment that's likely the reason crafted is simming higher than circlet. not sure if that's actually better than circlet with 2 other embellishments
nova kelp
the ole embelishment rigamarole
shut coral
probally likely would be, but means i gotta re-do my ring, and embellishment to dagger haha
not the worst thing to do tbh
mystic osprey
Any log reviewers in chat?
lethal arrow
just post it 4head
mystic osprey
nah brah
mystic osprey
just freestyle that shi
Do I just watch more casual addict???
mystic osprey
i care 0 for m+ parses
i want more m+ dam
nova kelp
to be fair log reviewing for m+ is like... hard
there's just simply far to many variables
it ends up being like "idk, play good 4head" which is entirely unhelpful
nova kelp
lol
nova kelp
aren't we potentially just not taking kingsbane anymore?
balmy condor
I mean yeah
nova kelp
maybe kb 100% less 😛