assassination

[haughty flicker]

ive never had issues

[balmy condor]

Don’t stand a billion miles away

[red schooner]

this doesn't effect me in the slightest

[royal lantern]

and im 1 of the guys that would benefit from it

[coral ibex]

the knockback shouldn't take you out of stealth

[haughty flicker]

but also yeah just send vanish i guess lmao

[deep gyro]

Shadowstep?

[royal lantern]

but jfc such a horrible idea

[haughty flicker]

ive never been knocked out by it tho

[balmy condor]

Yeah the thing that knocks you out is the aoe tick

[red schooner]

just shroud in, grief your bm hunter and then hit boss early

[balmy condor]

It’s the same thing as ansurek

People saying that ansurek breaks stealth

But it’s the dot tick

And they’re just in China

[grim jay]

Its glorious, maybe I will get faster invites now. It just turns every random group owner into something eww potentially.

[radiant raven]

I hope so. People are already incredibly dumb about the strangest stuff in pugs.

[haughty flicker]

that addon is a genuine jurassic park moment

didnt stop to think whether they should

[balmy condor]

It’s actually just Warcraftlogs supervillain any% speedrun

[royal lantern]

like, its not even a maybe for me, im literally sitting on a 95 average for idk how many tiers now

but its such a dumb idea in the first place, it helps nobody at all and literally makes stuff more toxic and nothing else

[balmy condor]

Every single thing they’ve done since the archon rebrand has been utter dogshit

[royal lantern]

just block it blizz

pls

[polar rampart]

on first boss of top do i have to save stealth to reapply my deathmark since apparently it doesn't count as a reset when one of them dies cuz they are technically same mob or something?

[haughty flicker]

i just move mark when ones about to die

[polar rampart]

true

[royal lantern]

they dont "die", they just go k.o at 1hp until all 3 are down, then they die

deathstalker is fun and well thought out btw

[polar rampart]

yeah the oversights that brick your ability if you not paying attention

[royal lantern]

swap the mark at the last few %, and they are somewhat equal in HP anyway most of the time

[haughty flicker]

its definitely a bit silly

[grim jay]

Well same, but some people dont really care for parses, thats why maybe

[royal lantern]

like, if 1 goes down, the others are at like 20% at best

[grim jay]

Pretty accurate

[radiant raven]

The best metric for inviting someone to your pug group is how funny their name is. Or how good the joke they include in their note is.

[polar rampart]

true and real

[haughty flicker]

ive started making my note "my mom calls me her little pumper" and my invite rate has skyrocketed

[grim jay]

I just invite people that have killxp and atleast a 50 average on alt runs

[radiant raven]

lmao I'd invite that

[radiant raven]

killxp can be misleading too. I tend to go for multikill to be safe. My current thing for Mythic has just been "write the boss mythic changes" 'cos then they've at least read the description and can read.

[royal lantern]

dont forget to drop the old reliable MEOWDY

[radiant raven]

I had five people drop that on my Vexie kill lmao

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/meowdy-cat-cowboy-cowboy-cat-gif-10014009665270740623

[radiant raven]

good cowcat

[azure dirge]

i like to also include their social security number and a background check

[haughty flicker]

i just tell them i have a secret clearance and can get them stuff to post on warthunder forums

[brave comet]

wow has a new patch

do we get buffs again, we kinda need it

we're kinda unplayable

[red schooner]

nah we're alright

[solid canopy]

yy agreed, for sure classes that are worse haha

[marble hemlock]

why is there a typo in this

!richard reverberation

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[tawdry mica]

How do I sim to see what flask fits me the best? Is that a custom option?

elp

[balmy condor]

what typo

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/LNqivph.jpeg

R missing, but ig it just triggers on !richard

[spice spire]

It’s alchemical chaos

[balmy condor]

you can just sim a couple times using top gear or the input from the pins in #tc-research

(it's going to be alchemical chaos)

[balmy condor]

yeh it doesn't care about any of that

[marble hemlock]

fair

i love it

[blissful spire]

!misdirect

[tawdry mica]

It's probably gonna be alchemical that's sure but I js wanna check

cheers cheers

[subtle tundra]

!riccy

!rics

!ric

[haughty flicker]

!dick

[subtle tundra]

my ass

[marble hemlock]

what?

[subtle tundra]

cant you fucking read

[marble hemlock]

no i mean

what do you want to have done to your ass?

[coral ibex]

reverb

[runic hinge]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[robust light]

is our stat prio the same for st and m+?

[balmy condor]

haste in m+ generally worse

[robust light]

so we generally should craft crit / mast?

[hearty reef]

hi whypsyr

[normal mist]

yes

[dusky valve]

so this might be a dumb question but i got the energy drink from a map earlier and its like a .3% loss if i swap out my priory trinket and just use that and pacemaker. i know sims are sims but do you think its better to have priory for deathmark than having two passive trinkets all the time? i'm only asking because i'm kind of lazy and on use trinkets are lame

[robust light]

why does droptimizer craft want me to make a stilletto?

[spice surge]

I mean you can just macro priory into deathmark, no need to press it manually

[dusky valve]

true and valid

[spice spire]

Because 3 embellishments are good

[thorny lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g7V6pi5BJH1Kof9c349fPy HoC that bad in Dslice?

[red schooner]

HoC is good but you're simming a 658 v a 678

So yeah the 20 ilvls are gonna make a difference

[thorny lion]

i simmed a 658 Heroic track HoC against a Energy drink

[upbeat tinsel]

One passive one on use is usually the play

[spice surge]

Droptimizer doesnt know that its an embellishment so thats why

[red schooner]

One active trinket one passive trinket is going to be better than two actives. You'd be sending one active during just a kingsbane and kingsbane doesn't do much on its own

[final phoenix]

maaan..... with all the changes i dont know what spec to play to have highest dps in raid <,<

[red schooner]

Any spec can work, which spec do you enjoy?

You'll do more dps on a spec you enjoy and gel with than chasing the meta

[runic hinge]

Outlaw

[final phoenix]

i enjoy all 3 tbh

[red schooner]

But yeah all 3 are fine

[final phoenix]

but now Outlaw seem to shine

[red schooner]

Just play which one you enjoy

[final phoenix]

sometime i get lazy and dont want to deal with energy pooling,

[red schooner]

we don't pool

[normal mist]

You have to pool once every two minutes

[runic hinge]

But like

[red schooner]

we just run out of energy

[runic hinge]

Pooling is actually being lazy?

You aren’t pressing buttons

How can you get lazier

[final phoenix]

yea, i like to smash button, makes me think i do stuff

pooling means i need to pay attention

[red schooner]

you say that like i'm not spamming my mutilate button until i have the energy for it

[runic hinge]

Real

[normal mist]

once every two minutes

[red schooner]

here's the thing, just don't pool

and you'll be grand

[final phoenix]

wont that greatly affect my deepz

[red schooner]

Nope!

[final phoenix]

why do i hate myself so much then

god

[red schooner]

Any benefits from pooling are so minor, I think the only one with any kind of tiny relevance is the pool to 150 pre-kingsbane

[final phoenix]

ok swapping back from sub to sin tonight for the heck of it

[normal mist]

exactly

on a non DM KB

[red schooner]

And even then, it's like... a fraction of a percent

[normal mist]

min max is what we do anyway

[final phoenix]

yea..

[red schooner]

But yeah its a tiny bit of pooling to absolutely min max

[final phoenix]

but all fun aside, how far ahead is Outlaw right now?

[normal mist]

it isnt

or atleast it wasn't

[upper wraith]

Outlaw makes my hands hurty

[final phoenix]

use mousewheel

keybind to mousewheel

outlaw becomes much easier on the hand

[normal mist]

It seems my info was outdated, https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-season-2-dps-rankings-mythic-liberation-of-undermine-week-3-376097?utm_source=discord-webhook says i'm super wrong.

[final phoenix]

yea, thats what makes me consider Outlaw

it looks like it's miles ahead

but archon doesnt reflect it, so im confused a bit

[normal mist]

Dont you prioritise fun over the rest tho

[final phoenix]

tbh, its all the same to me

[runic hinge]

I mean that’s like maybe 7% and 4% in damage to bosses. So idk what you consider miles

[normal mist]

That doesn't sound fun :C

[haughty flicker]

outlaw definitely doesnt sound like fun

also smol parse size + first few bosses quite good for outlaw

[final phoenix]

who plays to have fun these days , i only play to escape reality

[normal mist]

i do

[haughty flicker]

you dont play at all

[normal mist]

That's why i play

[nova kelp]

there aren't really any BAD bosses for outlaw in the current raid mind

[normal mist]

another game

[normal mist]

Could you not sell me out like that

[final phoenix]

LOL

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/alya-sometimes-hides-her-feelings-in-russian-alya-sometimes-hides-feelings-gif-9184617095470447253

[final phoenix]

tbh, same here

[haughty flicker]

the moment you became a green you became the enemy

fight the 1%

[normal mist]

I'm NOT the enemy

(yet)

This is my enemy:

[final phoenix]

wait he's green?!

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-mhw-wilds-rey-dau-lightning-gif-15853882307096777985

[high walrus]

is clear the witnesses fan proc worth using on ST since the mutilate buff

[final phoenix]

yea, mhwilds is neat, next patch coming like... thursday or something

[normal mist]

Yeah, hyped for that

[high walrus]

any knowers

[haughty flicker]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[normal mist]

also stated in the pins

[high walrus]

thanks

[waxen oyster]

Aren't outlaw logs inflated by the fact.

Only the really good super dedicated players play it rn

[runic hinge]

That’s what we used to say about sin logs

[normal mist]

TRUE

[spice spire]

Was I the enemy

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

its ok though because you arent green now

[spice spire]

Damn

What if I were tho

Haha

[spice surge]

Oh the misery, everybody wants to be my enemy

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

[vague raft]

idk anything about sin talents, that pin makes no sense to me: are there any crazy changes to rotation compared to last tier?

same opener? same rules?

I noticed top log on Mugzee doesn't fan on opener?

is that just a whoopsie? or just because it doesn't matter that much

[haughty flicker]

you were pressing fok in opener?

[vague raft]

for CtW, yeah?

was that wrong?

[haughty flicker]

oh by the time you get ctw i stop consdiering that the opener

[strange python]

no fok since vicious venom is meta now

[vague raft]

backstab, garrote, fok?

[haughty flicker]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[haughty flicker]

ctw on 2+

[vague raft]

okay, so I'm never pressing that on Mugzee

[strange python]

not in ST at least

[west crown]

"Generally 5 with raid build"

[robust light]

i assumed the sim wouldnt allow more than 2 embellishments :p

[spice surge]

Droptimizer dumb, use topgear

[spice spire]

Yeah it doesn’t have an embellishment limit on droptimizer

[haughty flicker]

he was asking specifically about ctw, not just fok

[vague raft]

wait, you proc it before you even press your CDs, though

[haughty flicker]

huh

[waxen oyster]

With the current raid build its not worth consuming ctw on 1 target.

[vague raft]

ty

[haughty flicker]

yeah but now im confused

[strange python]

yeah samething in raid setting my b. you dont use ctw in single target if youre in raid build

[haughty flicker]

oh im not confsued im just dumb

[vague raft]

all g brother

me too

[waxen oyster]

I mean you used to only send it before cds if rng was bad.

imo

on mut crit

[vague raft]

ye

[haughty flicker]

yeah i just forgor

[waxen oyster]

we are in a cooked timeline

where mut is like 2nd/3rd on damage

[vague raft]

wait, when do you vanish, this guy doesn't vanish the entire fight

that doesn't seem normally

do you not play MA anymore?

and not use it for gen?

during DM?

[waxen oyster]

You don't play MA no

[vague raft]

or is there vanish tech in Mugzee?

he was saving?

or ish e a griefer?

[haughty flicker]

you dont play ma/imp gar anymore

so vanish is just a funny button

[waxen oyster]

vanish is basically there if you lose your mark

mostly

[vague raft]

it doesn't give CP anymore?

does assa have premed?

lmao

[waxen oyster]

No....

never has

[haughty flicker]

premed is sub

[vague raft]

i thought it like guaranteed a strong backstab

or whatever it's called

ambush

[waxen oyster]

well not sure if 1 ambush>1 mut

in terms of damage

[haughty flicker]

ambush is not better than mut

so it doesnt do anything

[vague raft]

wait

I'm so confused

I though the special backstab gave more CP

or some shit

it felt like that last tier

[waxen oyster]

For sub yes

[haughty flicker]

ambush does more damage and gives more cp, mut hits twice and procs stuff

on average they are about equal

according to people smarter than me

[vague raft]

okay, so it DOES give more CP

you guys had me so confused

[lunar pond]

ambush "with a cost" is worse than mutilate

[vapid terrace]

Spend the free ambush though to save energy

[haughty flicker]

well you literally cant choose to press mut with blindside up anyway

[waxen oyster]

The best things in life are free

as per usual

[haughty flicker]

so thats irrelevant

[lunar pond]

challenge accepted

[haughty flicker]

the spell is removed from your spellbook

gl

[waxen oyster]

can you do

/cast mutilate

[spice surge]

Nop

[solar wyvern]

Can i take the mutilate on a date and fall in love, have a family, spend a wonderful life together, and then finally on our deathbed, I ask: /cast mutilate ?

[vague raft]

bro this top log took tiny toxic blade instead of arterial precision

is that a whoopsie?

or good on mugzee

[waxen oyster]

on heroic it probably doesnt matter

[haughty flicker]

ttb is more st

[vague raft]

i mean mythic

[haughty flicker]

ap better if it hits adds

honestly i think ttb is probably better on mugzee

bc i doubt ap hits through gaols

[waxen oyster]

I mean maybe he just

played better?

Do you stay out of gaols or

step as soon as it goes out

[vague raft]

we haven't pulled yet, starting tonight more than likely

[haughty flicker]

you cant step out of goals

[vague raft]

I can void elf racial

[lunar pond]

AP loses value if the adds die basically instantly or the spread is out of spatter/shiv range

[waxen oyster]

It was more wondering if you were fast enough

[haughty flicker]

yeah velf works

[waxen oyster]

wait you can velf out of it?

[haughty flicker]

door of shadows op

[lunar pond]

If your guild, in heroic, does respectable damage at this point TTB is the play

[waxen oyster]

The temptation is increasing....

50% off transmog

was already sounding spicy

Wait how does velf work post change

i never got it right in its old version

[haughty flicker]

its basically door of shadows

just with travel time instead of cast time

[waxen oyster]

I guess you wait for your image to get to the desired spot

to press it again

[vague raft]

wait, so last tier when you pressed vanish in DM, the next Ambush wasn't guaranteed max CP?

it felt like it was

[royal lantern]

no?

[waxen oyster]

No but you had more crit from MA

[vague raft]

hmmm, I don't remember a single time that thing didn't give me full CP lmao

[royal lantern]

ambush is 3 cp with the talent for it and a crit makes it 4

[vague raft]

interesting though lmao

[waxen oyster]

Honestly

void elf heritage wings chest

is kind of nice

[royal lantern]

its not

its a elf

[haughty flicker]

its fantastic except for the fucking collar

which makes it so you cant hide it under tabards

[vague raft]

am I still finishing at 5+?

[royal lantern]

5+, obviously 7cp with DN active

[vague raft]

ty everyone

[runic hinge]

The what collar

[haughty flicker]

[hardy prairie]

you guys run kb on 12+ keys?

for bleed build

[runic hinge]

Yeah

[haughty flicker]

if you want iw then yeah its good

[hardy prairie]

is that better than just running hybrid?

[runic hinge]

I always want IW

[spice surge]

Just run without kb

Usually better

Its typically the same as hybrid, but easier because you dont need to worry about lining up kb with dm

[haughty flicker]

bleed sims better in st for me than hybrid

bis build fr

[nova kelp]

huh, don't think I've come across that before

but fair

[hardy prairie]

hmm, but i get IW for free with hybrid

[spice surge]

No

[haughty flicker]

iw+kb still sims better for me than hybrid

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[spice surge]

Last whispyr checked you lose less dps taking iw for bleed than you do with hybrid

[haughty flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vCCgKfgrtZdDWXNVQHQhjP

[hardy prairie]

1.4

[haughty flicker]

test 1 is iw+kb test 2 is dropping ma for iw

[hardy prairie]

[haughty flicker]

m+ is hybrid

bleed giga

[waxen oyster]

I mean you normally take kb when taking iw no?

What else would you grab

[dapper cradle]

This

[haughty flicker]

you can just swap lightweight shiv or ma for iw but both of those choices feels kind of bad

[waxen oyster]

nah the normal drop to get iw on bleed is bonespike

[nova kelp]

all I know is when the tank grabs everything at the start of priory all the way to the stairs plus the first mini boss
CT go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[haughty flicker]

well yes that is the norm

but it isnt the only option

down with kingsbane

[waxen oyster]

dropping lightweight sounds not worth

with bleed

[haughty flicker]

i just dont use iw anyway

[waxen oyster]

if you dont take kb i guess you can take ttb?

[haughty flicker]

pugs need to learn one way or another

[waxen oyster]

not sure if thats better than taking kb

[haughty flicker]

(i also only do weekly 10s)

[waxen oyster]

I mean i do that too

[runic hinge]

I take iron wire for the dr for tanks. Beginning of pull the scariest part for them

[haughty flicker]

honestly

its either the tank is perfectly fine or they die so spectacularly that iw isnt going to save them anyway

in my pugs

"this is my first rlp" type shit

[waxen oyster]

or the

stonevault

[haughty flicker]

big

[waxen oyster]

dh leaping after saying "big"

[nova kelp]

that's legit just a DH thing

even if you're in a group with a fucking guild dh tank

"big"
*leaps

[waxen oyster]

I mean its because bad dh players dont realize

leaping into a pack syncs the autos up

You're supposed to throw glaive first

into sigil

into feldev

smh

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/big-emma-engvid-huge-massive-gif-25786601

[waxen oyster]

I guess then you can hunt

into aldrachi combo

Idk personally i put up spikes first since running ftd anyway

i watched a vdh today do half on overall of what mine does in priory when he has better gear.

And about similar size pulls

[nova kelp]

I personally refuse to play dh coz we shouldn't have ever gotten them
they required a retcon
they overloaded leather
they removed the possibility of getting warden/spellbreakers
which took away a mail tank/melee class
and made better story sense for us to get
but like, they wanted a rule of cool win

[waxen oyster]

You say retcon

in a game that has tauren paladin

?

[nova kelp]

I'm ok with it

[haughty flicker]

me when the race that exiled an entire group for using arcane magic can be mages

[nova kelp]

there's levels to retcons that vastly out pace "have learned to"

[haughty flicker]

i want third dh spec

thats just ranged

throwing glaives at people

shooting fel blasts

[waxen oyster]

Most dh players just use rogue mogs

its kind of weird

[nova kelp]

it's the same kinda issue with melee sv
should have been BM
BM STILL plays like a melee spec, even now
BM canonically would have made more sense in melee
Ole rex boy who was always THE BM GUY had to be retconned to be sv, although he literally has 2 pets
BM is about being one with the pets but you fight at range
SV throws FUCKING GRENADES IN MELEE
also SV was giga popular at the time they changed it fully

BM should have been melee
SV should have been the ranged pet spec

[haughty flicker]

i can kind of get it

because all dh mogs kind of end up looking like dh mogs

but also if i play dh im fine looking like a dh

[waxen oyster]

Then again if you missed legion you missed most good dh mogs

Nothing comes close to their magetower warglaives.

[haughty flicker]

the thing with dh thats really nice is they have a consistant color palette

so new stuff consistantly matches older stuff

i wish they did that with more classes

[jolly lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

Red/gold kind of is harder to match aesthetically

on nelf dh

as opposed to belf

[haughty flicker]

like you can barely tell some of these are a decade apart

[hardy rapids]

hol up

[waxen oyster]

Oh yeah that true.

[nova kelp]

The belf DH options with the belf armour set is giga

[hardy rapids]

I got something for you

[waxen oyster]

You can get that color of the belf starter

on a nelf

[nova kelp]

man hips

[waxen oyster]

For some reason if you make a class trial dh

you get the belf colors of the starter set on a nelf

but not the other way around

[nova kelp]

ew imagine actually leveling a character

[haughty flicker]

wait what

[nova kelp]

spend gold and boost that shit

[waxen oyster]

You can get the gold/brown starter set

on a nelf dh

[haughty flicker]

alliance favortism smh

[waxen oyster]

i said dh thats a rogue mog

[hardy rapids]

my fault

[waxen oyster]

and on a belf smh

[hardy rapids]

hol up I got something for you for a red gold dh mog

(its on belf that doesnt use heritage set tho)

[nova kelp]

that's an anime lancer mog

[waxen oyster]

i have a few red gold rogue mogs

[nova kelp]

nothing says stealth like gold

[waxen oyster]

You can also use the legion 3/4 base horde colors to help

[haughty flicker]

i actually really like transmogging demon hunters

i just hate playing them

lmao

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it's literally a mashup of these sets usually

Most of the legion pvp sets kind match well with each other.

It doesnt work as well on nelf color palettes

overall

[hardy rapids]

shhhhhhhhhhh

[nova kelp]

Mogs don't matter, we got plunderstorm, now all my toons are pirates because pirates > ninja

[waxen oyster]

and the elite is green

ish

[nova kelp]

all I'm waiting for now is the ability to mog any weapon I want

[waxen oyster]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/d1w7ut/you_can_get_the_blood_elf_dhstarting_armor_on/

[nova kelp]

so that even as a sin rogue I can have a single rapier

[haughty flicker]

god i hate alliance

[waxen oyster]

The antorus elite set for dh

[haughty flicker]

(i dont actually)

thats funny though

[waxen oyster]

was originally datamined as the nh mythic set

if you go back to, old mmochamp posts

The colorway is definitely better on belf

[nova kelp]

lets be real, the best set from antorus is dashing scoundrel

[haughty flicker]

eh

its ok

[waxen oyster]

💀

the set that didnt have shoes for a decade?

but the pvp color did

[nova kelp]

yep

still bis

[waxen oyster]

i dislike that set

some races the hat is just positioned wrong

[nova kelp]

that's ok, not everyone has to be correct

lol

[waxen oyster]

The tos set for rogue

went way harder

[nova kelp]

ah yeah see that's a miss for me

I big dislike all the "I look like shredder but designed by someone who forgot to stop drawing" sets

[waxen oyster]

So df s2

and somehow got voted for s4

[nova kelp]

omg

that

was

infuriating

what even happened

[waxen oyster]

I mean to me

The best df set

was the shaman s3 one

[nova kelp]

s3 shaman was goated

or wolfed

[waxen oyster]

I forgot to farm it

now idk if you can even

[nova kelp]

I was nearly offended that that shaman set was so good

should be illegal

it's mail

that's not allowed

[waxen oyster]

Mail has like

one banger per decade

[nova kelp]

does it though? what was the decade 1 banger?

GIANTSTALKER!

lol

[waxen oyster]

I mean the best of og wow to me is

the ulduar hunter set

[nova kelp]

I'm trying to remember it

it can't come close to our "upface" set surely

[waxen oyster]

oops

[nova kelp]

oh yeah, ehhhhhh

it's ok

[waxen oyster]

I think the best mail mogs are usually

[nova kelp]

but it kinda outlines one of my major issues with non shaman mail

[waxen oyster]

just taking individual pieces from different sets

[nova kelp]

that's NOT "mail" armour

that's just temu plate

[waxen oyster]

Yeah mail rarely looks like mail nowadays

[haughty flicker]

definitely this

[waxen oyster]

but with cosmetic gear its like

[haughty flicker]

people say mail is the worst looking armor, but thats mainly just the full sets

most sets have at least a couple good pieces you can use for transmog

[nova kelp]

honestly the best mail sets of recent times have been the outworld quest sets that go unreasonably hard

[waxen oyster]

I think for like one off pieces.

Mail has many good singular items

[haughty flicker]

yeah mail overworld sets have definitely gone hard recently

[waxen oyster]

What was that one

legion overworld chest

that got super used

the one that gives you chest tattoos kind of

[haughty flicker]

dragonrider

[waxen oyster]

Yeah thats the name

The set itself is lame

[haughty flicker]

that piece itself is very good

and the rest of the set is ass

[waxen oyster]

Whats the brown version

[nova kelp]

so much mail armour

look at all that mail

just covered in mail

[haughty flicker]

trading post version

[waxen oyster]

oh i forgot the set name

idk if i bought it

[waxen oyster]

its funny because there is a plate chest that looks like true chainmail

the warfront alliance gear of bfa s1

[nova kelp]

I'm telling you, wow mail is just shitty plate most of the time

like out of curiosity, where's the nathanos style sets?

so you can look like... idk... a hunter?

but instead nearly every option I have as a hunter has me stalking through the bushes looking like a 40k space mehreen

[waxen oyster]

Even sylvanas set is kinda

hefty?

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nathanos-blightcaller-wo-w-warcraft-shadowlands-gif-19355556

this is a sick set

where's this at?

it has some bits of heavier looking armour, it doesn't look like leather, it doesn't look like plate armour

but it also looks like you could walk about without sounding like a bag of loose change

[waxen oyster]

hunter sets just look like

they skinned random animals

in the raid

shaman sets you sometimes get bangers, and sometimes you get 2 toilet bowls for shoulders

[lofty dawn]

is it more worth to use 1 gem or many different with culminating blasphemite? when i sim it says i want to use only 1 gem, but when looking at logs i see ppl using different ones

[nova kelp]

i'll take it over some of the racial sets, like look at the worgen one. Look at the npcs from their homeland, look at the aesthetics, and yet we got

I COULD HAVE HAD A BLOODBORNE HUNTER SET DAMMIT

[nova kelp]

this is kinda hard to ascertain tbh, the blasphemite is kinda just a bit shit - I just slot it in and get the most out of it because fuck it
it's not like the gems are giga weighting your stats anyway, might as well take the crit bonus

[waxen oyster]

That set isnt even a race one is it

[haughty flicker]

imagine not using speed gem

[nova kelp]

wait, is there a CURRENT speed gem?

wtf is it called?

not straddling?

[haughty flicker]

elusive

[nova kelp]

ELUSIVE?!

[haughty flicker]

blasphemite

[nova kelp]

FUCK ME

[haughty flicker]

isntead of the crit one

[nova kelp]

brb, editting my speed set

I probably just never paid any attention coz one of them said "crit"

dps brane sed - CRIT U SAY?

[nova kelp]

it's the worgen heritage set

unironically - I realise it looks so bad it should be a joke, but it's not

[cunning needle]

how fast is your speed set?

[nova kelp]

not as fast as my old speed set, but fast enough to out run a mount without sprint

[cunning needle]

thats kinda fast

[nova kelp]

getting to 160-170 isn't that hard, but speed as a stat curbs off FAST

[cunning needle]

is that including movespeed buffs from going into stealth?

without a trace or w/e ti is

[nova kelp]

not the temporary one no

[haughty flicker]

How do big speed

Me need

[nova kelp]

going in/out of stealth is annoying

[cunning needle]

damn

kinda impressive

[nova kelp]

but nightstalker for sure

or if you go OL and get the other one as well

I tend to always cultivate a speed set because I'm one of those losers who farms old shit all the time

the mount grind never ends

[haughty flicker]

I just got done running nyalotha

Need speed

[nova kelp]

oh god, thank fuck I got that mount on our kill

that hole can get screwed

I miss the speed sets we had a couple of expacs ago though, my warrior and hunter were like little sanics

zip zoomin

[haughty flicker]

I saw some wild hunter speed sets lmao

[nova kelp]

the best speed sets basically require legacy content though

doing current content makes things more difficult

wtf is this shit?

this is just going to giga encourage the highest level of brainlet gameplay from most people just to avoid
"lol blue parses? go sign up to another run kid"

[low thicket]

People will see my doo doo parses D:

[balmy condor]

warcraftlogs being a corporate supervillain

[spice surge]

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss

[worldly sail]

[spice surge]

I also loved when they bought subcreation and removed all the niche stats they were tracking in favour of big tierlists

[nova kelp]

mate if I get tossed from an AOTC run because I don't have enough orange/pink parses I am going to kick a hole in my wall

the first few weeks of heroic are going to turn into all my guildies fighting for smolbrane parses to look good for pugs

and I'm going to stab someone

[tawdry halo]

My guild is too shithouse for me to parse well

Maybe I should play some dogshit unpopular spec...

[viscid spear]

I'm hoping for AotC this week.
Of course, whenever we do get it, that means swapping in the less capable players so we can get them AotC too.

[nova kelp]

it is what it is, I actually love helping casuals out, it's part of why this sort of unintentially toxic stuff triggers the ever living fuck out of me

[viscid spear]

These are the same raiders we had to explain the difference between the large bombs and the hermit crabs on Stix.

[tawdry halo]

are you in my guild?

Same conversation every week

[viscid spear]

Depends, do you have a PresVoker that dies on every pull but gets a spot because she's married to the GL?

[nova kelp]

wait what's the difference ? maybe that's what I've been doing wrong on mythic prog

lul

[tawdry halo]

no our only evoker is an Aug

[haughty flicker]

[viscid spear]

She was a Shaman before DF, purely so she could ankh

[tawdry halo]

[haughty flicker]

kind of based tbh

[tawdry halo]

I love AOTC raiding

you get the best variety of people

[viscid spear]

Well one is a lemon and the other is a liquid

[haughty flicker]

someone from liquid is in your guild?

thats cool

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/loa-legends-of-avantris-bitsy-derek-lost-gif-5755377416105477167

[nova kelp]

it's actually someone from <wiquid>

[tawdry halo]

UwU

[nova kelp]

max should do more undercover streams

those were banger

especially that one where he helped the guys dad get aotc

god tier stuff

I was so fucking hype when they got the kill

[viscid spear]

In all seriousness, one is the giant bomb that is present in all difficulties and the other is clearly a goddamn crab

[haughty flicker]

its actually really funny how those streams show exactly how much having a good shotcaller matters

[nova kelp]

way more than I was for my own CE

[nova kelp]

that is true, but honestly I give people some leeway on it, suddenly they're flying at breakneck speeds getting speed wobbles

[viscid spear]

We have dumb little things on every boss still, and we're 7/8H

[nova kelp]

I legit imagine some people are at home, muted mics screaming like they're on a roller coaster

[strange python]

lmao

[nova kelp]

it's huge, especially having one that you trust will take responsibility for a bad call
so that when they make a call, noone does their own thing, they just fucking full send on the call

[tawdry halo]

Man my RL just says the plan, then he keeps quiet when we do the pull - i think he's too focused on his Rotation

0 shots called

[nova kelp]

someone who just says, chill, just hit all our defensives, and push, push push puspusppsupsusphssspushsphhsj

[viscid spear]

• people still get run over when Vexie spawn
• touching lightning adds on Carnage
• not reaching correct amps in time during Rik's intermission
• rolling balls into Stix before bombs
• putting drills on wrong side of boss so we have to reposition before Locken knocks us back
• touching bombs on Bandit
• not LoSing ice behind walls/bombs on Mug'Zee
  We didn't have a lot of attempts on Gally but from the few we did I can see What The Boys Have Been Working On making our healers sweat every time.

[nova kelp]

imo - this might be a hot take
but I actually think there should be a freebie spot in a raid for a leader to have a real time free roam camera
actually implemented in the game

[haughty flicker]

eh

i think it would make guilds that really dont need a 21st man feel pressured into having one

[nova kelp]

21st man is good, and should be considered for an in game experience

[haughty flicker]

even if the guy doesnt want to do it

and if the guild does need/want a 21st man there are easy tools to allow that outside of the game

[tawdry halo]

Average AOTC guild experience

Arent there like WAs that act as a teleprompter for RLs?

literally read the text on the screen?

[nova kelp]

it's DEFINITELY a solid point, but I also think that some things in mythic are a little too tightly tuned for the average (even mythic) level gamer to play at the required level while making solid calls

but then relaxing that tuning upsets people too

[viscid spear]

You remember the worm boss last tier? With the eggs?

[tawdry halo]

good point

Yes

[nova kelp]

the danger worm was shit

[tawdry halo]

VIVIDLY

[nova kelp]

and like that's kinda the point

imagine a 21st man with a freeroam able to mark things on the fly

that would be amazing

[viscid spear]

There was a WA that put raid markers above your head. Our RL would then put matching raid markers down on four sets of eggs.
We still messed up more times than not

[nova kelp]

although, it's true, the mere exisitence of it probably incentivises the requirement of doing it, and also creates tighter tuning for bosses as a result

so

a;ldkjfldskfjadf ehhh

[tawdry halo]

yeah I think in your world, there are more ovinax bosses

[tawdry halo]

yep it's a good point

but WA bosses are trash

using a WA for prompts like "defensive here, get ready to move" is what I'm talking about

I feel like those exist

[viscid spear]

Lost count how many times "don't touch bombs" has been said over VC this tier thus far.
Applies to multiple bosses no less

[haughty flicker]

lots of bombs

[nova kelp]

idk, I just really hate these "gota rely on WA's" bosses

with a passion

[viscid spear]

Man, our first attempt on Normal Vexie week 1 was a treat.
Once they found out you can drive the cars into her and get big meter damage, everyone was spamming to grab one.

[nova kelp]

lol

[tawdry halo]

average AOTC guild experience

[nova kelp]

meanwhile in our raid
"THERE'S 2 FREE CARS OVER THERE SOMEONE FUCKING GET IN ONE"

"bruh I'm deeps;

[viscid spear]

At least the garbage balls on Stix are RNG.
But people would forgo all mechanics on Vexie just to get in a car

[viscid spear]

I spent the entire raid nights this past week focusing every boss.
Thank God Caustic Spatter isn't a concept my RL understands so he sees I do just enough damage that it .makes it seem like I'm actually caring about adds

[tawdry halo]

my guild has just discovered this. RIP the peace and quiet we just established in raid

[tawdry halo]

Me on Stix this week after switching back to assassin

[nova kelp]

it's actually the wildestly mental idea

[viscid spear]

We only parse on Normal bosses. Too many people on the other side of seesaw.

[misty holly]

I mean, you could always "forget" to hit a bomb, so you can keep running the boss back until it doesn't choose you for the maximum parse.

[nova kelp]

"LFM HEROIC UDM - 80% parsers or GTFO"

[tawdry halo]

it's like the height of the gearscore era

[nova kelp]

"I have a lot of 79%... is that ok?"
...is ignoring you

[viscid spear]

It's weird, I feel like I don't get picked for the random mechanics very much.
Hardly get Katamari Damacy'd, for instance

[misty holly]

I wonder if you could vanish just before the ball picking goes off to be taken off the list of potential targets.

has anyone tested that?

[nova kelp]

imagine if people start using healer parses to cultivate pugs

[tawdry halo]

Like back in wrath / cata people would tell you to go fuck yourself if you didnt have an absurd gearscore, which just didn't mean anything at the time because you could pad with irrelevant gear

[nova kelp]

UGH

[tawdry halo]

cursed

[tawdry halo]

probably not worth fucking over the raid with 1 less ball

[nova kelp]

you and a guildy healer join a pug and they're like "could yhou please just stand in everything... I gota snipe for the parses man"

[haughty flicker]

me heal parsing on outlaw

to get into pugs

[misty holly]

The raid doesn't matter anymore. Only the parse.

[umbral sierra]

what build is doing best in keys rn

[tawdry halo]

I hate this timeline

[viscid spear]

The number color drives me

[umbral sierra]

yeah that pin is fucking long

tldr

[tawdry halo]

Brother

just read it

[umbral sierra]

he trinket buffs are giga long, but only one to really care about on first glance is Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet, as we cheese it by casting it during lingering darkness for bonus damage, so a 20% buff is actually really strong

Assa Tuning Wise, we caught a buff, which is crazy imo, and we got a huge mutilate and ambush buff. Vicious Venoms is back on the menu for raids, but does not affect m+ builds at all, and the old 2 piece is dead so we're swapping to 4pc pretty much the moment we get it.

Across the board buff between 4-6%

Talent/Rotation Changes
Bleed build in m+ takes blindside over tiny toxic

For single target raid, vicious venoms is +0.7% by dropping imp gar, ma, and arterial for 2/2 vv and ttb. You can also keep arterial for the aoe instead of ttb, this would be +0.5%. This will be the preference on any fight with adds.

Fok conditions change slightly with Vicious Venoms Talented and the buff. The buff makes it so that blindside is +1 required target (so no blindside = 3, blindside = 4, m+ build with no blindside = 2, with blindside = 3). Vicious venoms then simply adds another +1 to all target counts. (clear the witnesses on 2+ still, fok to generate on 5+ with raid builds). With that being said however, you can clear your clear the witnesses buff in single target during lingering darkness still if you'd like, as this has shown to be neutral.

If you're on 6cp with darkest night, you should mutilate in single target with vicious venoms, fan of knives on 2+ targets.

In mythic+ we don't take vicious venoms, but bleed builds taking blindside will want to mutilate on 2 target. Hybrid doesn't take blindside and thus will still be casting fok on 2

tldr

[viscid spear]

You want info but don't want to read?

[nova kelp]

that, was some words
you just said some words
you said that

[umbral sierra]

was 1 question

whats best

[tawdry halo]

hybrid build

[runic hinge]

Outlaw

[tawdry halo]

[umbral sierra]

i dont need a detrailed run a fuck about it justgive me a answer

[viscid spear]

And it was answered with 3 Reactions

[nova kelp]

bleed

[haughty flicker]

hybrid build worse than bleed in every way btw

[runic hinge]

It’s bleed

[tawdry halo]

D:

What

[umbral sierra]

thx

[tawdry halo]

Whispyr's guide lied to me

[umbral sierra]

all i needed

[haughty flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vCCgKfgrtZdDWXNVQHQhjP

me when bleed sims higher in st than hybrid

[nova kelp]

TLDR
bleed build = good
hybrid = good
sub = good
outlaw = good

play the one you're best at

[viscid spear]

We're not trying to be dicks (we just are), reading the guides is key. Whispyr makes a ton of effort

[umbral sierra]

no ur all good

im asking for a friend who is new to rogue

[balmy condor]

don't make me understand

don't make me open guide

just tell me best

classic

[umbral sierra]

but throwing a book at him is going to make him

not want to play rogue

[tawdry halo]

what does he play now?

[nova kelp]

oh no, we summoned the old god

[tawdry halo]

has he ever looked at a guide before?

[viscid spear]

references balls of garbage in your path

[umbral sierra]

hunter at 3k m+ io

[tawdry halo]

[nova kelp]

every time whispyr joins the convo I hear dark souls music

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-gif-2026179881748947972

[tawdry halo]

im assuming therefore your friend has opened a wowhead or icyveins guide at least once?

[viscid spear]

He's always here, you need more Madman's Insight

[tawdry halo]

and knows there's a cheat sheet / easy mode? and a talent section?

not trying to be a dick, but you gotta teach a man to fish

or he'll keep asking you what the best talent build is

[haughty flicker]

no hunters cant read

so hes got a point

[viscid spear]

Thought that was DH

[haughty flicker]

all hunter variants

[tawdry halo]

DH got complicated

no longer the 2 button spec it was in Legion

[haughty flicker]

well dh cant read because they're blind

so its not their fault

[tawdry halo]

[nova kelp]

that is a thing you said

[tawdry halo]

uhh

*more complicated

than 2buttons

[viscid spear]

[nova kelp]

"THERE'S CONTEXT I SWEAR!"

[tawdry halo]

Don't @ me

[nova kelp]

really though imagine the envenom bots being like "oh x/y so complex"

bring back min/max KB

[tawdry halo]

wdym?

send envenom so complicated

[spice spire]

Cease

[tawdry halo]

sometimes I have to make sure I hit 7cp

[spice spire]

Kb was a mistake

I’ll say it

[nova kelp]

wholey shit, you cant say it out loud

[haughty flicker]

the entire spec being just kingsbane was not healthy

but i'd argue being envenom the spec is also not healthy

maybe kingsbane could do a little more of our damage lmao

[nova kelp]

to be fair, the entire spec being envenom isn't much better

[spice spire]

I also agree

[tawdry halo]

what happened to bleeds in the bleed spec?

[haughty flicker]

thats feral

[viscid spear]

A dwarf used Stoneform

[nova kelp]

to be fair the entire spec being a 2 min DM window wasn't much better

[haughty flicker]

[nova kelp]

to be fair the entire spec being "PB PROC DON'T MOVE TANK!" wasn't much better

I can keep going bacvkwards

[tawdry halo]

not exsanguinate tho please

[haughty flicker]

no i cooked dont worry

[spice spire]

Being back my boy

[haughty flicker]

make exsang into engulf from evoker

[spice spire]

I miss her

[nova kelp]

everyone LOVED exsanguinate

especially whispyr

[tawdry halo]

no guys the best iteration was obviously vendetta

[viscid spear]

As a fledgling Boomkin using the Lunar Beam, I feel this

[gritty laurel]

nah best iteration was casting slice and dice and AFKing in classic

[nova kelp]

mate idk if you played back then, but the antorus PBs were like the fist of an angry god
that shit landed, and tanks would legit HALT so it could tick

[tawdry halo]

#bringbackwhitedamage

[misty holly]

Vendetta was easier to balance because it works on all damage. Part of why envenom is so strong right now is bleeds were tuned back (relatively) so that deathmark wasn't so much gigadamage.

[tawdry halo]

good times. I miss legion

triple PB proc in a big M+ pull

[spice surge]

Def more like vordt rather than plin plin plon though for sure

[nova kelp]

lets be real, discorders are probably MOST like orphan of kos

that real life posture

[spice surge]

Just play unholy, they have the same vibe rn

[viscid spear]

My man expecting to find maidens in Caelid

[nova kelp]

isn't unholy just all about deathcoil atm?

[spice surge]

Blood beasts work sortof like the WoD ring

But theyre RNG

Sometimes you proc and do 40M first pull meadery, sometimes you dont and do 20M

[nova kelp]

there's one REALLY awesome thing about blood beasts

they can be rescued

[tawdry halo]

Took me a long time to wean myself off gacha dopamine

[viscid spear]

Is Unholy good? Thought I heard it was down bad

[spice surge]

In m+ its very good

[nova kelp]

NOW I'M NOT SAYING that an evoker SHOULD rescue a blood beast OUT of the pack

but like

y'know

[viscid spear]

Not so much raid, huh

[spice surge]

Casualaddict has a DK named rogueismeta that he is gearing up

Feel free to interpret that however you wish

[nova kelp]

traitorous scum!

[viscid spear]

Mine is only 60, haven't played her since SL

[nova kelp]

my dk is level 80, standing next to the island expedition guy to farm mounts

[runic hinge]

Darthnugz is level 80 but probably ilvl 400

Maybe lower

[tall atlas]

Such sad times we live in

[haughty flicker]

i need to get my dk to lvl 80

[tall atlas]

Honestly just bring back smoke bomb

Why not

Give it like some small dam reduction 5 player max cap like mass barrier

And boom rogue meta

[runic hinge]

Bring back vendetta exsang

And one min vendetta

[viscid spear]

I remember having to convince my RL last tier that I had a poison that reduced damage done.
He was skeptical

[nova kelp]

bring back 1 min cloak

[runic hinge]

Shadowlands s3 classic when

[nova kelp]

the legion days

[tall atlas]

Did you link him the spell

[tawdry halo]

1min cloak was goated

it also actually worked

[viscid spear]

Well eventually, but he didn't understand how a poison could help

[tawdry halo]

??

[nova kelp]

world of soakcraft was a game

[tawdry halo]

Did he understand how DH magic damage debuff worked?

[nova kelp]

gods i was stronk then

[tawdry halo]

tomb of soakgeras

[tall atlas]

I just think if dks have darkness all dks have amz and mages have mass barrier warlocks have stones and I could just go on and on about other dps specs having great group utility

Idk why smoke bomb is an issue

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[tall atlas]

Pala have like 14 shield wog and bop like

[tawdry halo]

blizzard is a reactive company and will nerf the shit out of us for being too strong with utility

i like flying under the radar

[viscid spear]

Yeah but that was a permanent debuff.
His initial argument was "you're not always hitting the boss" aka Ansurek between Phase 2 & 3

[tall atlas]

And I’m here fucking spam garroting a pack to iron wire it all cos we don’t have a dh tank

Idk it’s just lame

[viscid spear]

"Poisons fall off"

[tall atlas]

Maybe an aoe stuff would be nice

stun

Blind is ok

[tawdry halo]

blind and blackjack is a thing

[tall atlas]

Ye true true

[tawdry halo]

not a good thing

[viscid spear]

Gotta say I love the AoE Blind in dungeons

[tawdry halo]

but a thing

[tall atlas]

Yeah when you cba targeting a kick you blind it it’s nice

[tawdry halo]

when did he realise that you don't take damage from ansurek in P2?

[tall atlas]

Smoke bomb lads it’s the way

[livid marlin]

waittt what?

[tall atlas]

Whoever has the rogue devs number

[tawdry halo]

airborne irritant

[tall atlas]

Fucking get him texted

[umbral sierra]

the bleed build looks interesting, ik wowhead said its better for newer players and low keys but is it doing well into +12's

[tawdry halo]

What dev?

[tall atlas]

I’m sure he’s in this discord

[viscid spear]

I think he was talking about me needing to hit her to apply it when we got up to last phase, meaning the DR wouldn't be there if she started hitting the tank before I get there.

[tall atlas]

Idk how much he checks it but it used to be the case that he was in here and would talk to fuu and some of the other tc guys idk if that’s a false memory tho

[livid marlin]

oh fab

[viscid spear]

[haughty flicker]

he pops in sometimes

i think the last time he was here it was reacting to a gif of whispyr shotgunning a monster

[tawdry halo]

yeh idk either - RLs are typically idiots

[viscid spear]

I think the next Xal'atath burden are the orbs so that'll help a lot

[tawdry halo]

yeah it's great for M+

[spice surge]

Zephyr and darkness do pretty much the same thing, but ye it would be cool if we could have aoe feint like zephyr

[livid marlin]

this weeks affix has been annoying me, late stealths 😛

[viscid spear]

He plays Priest and has historically never played Rogue (and probably doesn't care to learn)

[nova kelp]

oh, aoe feint

I'm ridgid

tell me more

[tall atlas]

That’s probably a better idea than smoke bombs the portable los element of it too stronk

This is all because of fekin bfa triple rogue comps

[viscid spear]

throw down a bottle of morphine

[livid marlin]

Im actually specced, and didnt knoow that

[viscid spear]

Let the vapors take you

[livid marlin]

what a noooob

[gray horizon]

Guys I just slammed a normal and recruited a new rogue to our ranks

[gray horizon]

Make sure you don't actually target an orb though

[tall atlas]

If you look at the option on tricks you’ll see blackjack it does something cool with it

[viscid spear]

A lot of Rogues just plain forget Blind is a button

[gray horizon]

Or it'll just get rid of the one and not the others

[wet ruin]

does sudden demise proc on a bleed tick or something like that?

[haughty flicker]

imagine having blind bound

[tawdry halo]

[livid marlin]

tbh, i only use it if someones proper annoying me aha

[viscid spear]

Oh yeah, don't forget this.
Always aim for a normal mob that's close to the orbs for maximum effect

[tawdry halo]

what do you use for AOE stop?

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[haughty flicker]

it doesnt do damage why would i have it bound

[livid marlin]

I dont sap ever

unless im trying to skip

[tall atlas]

I’m making this macro in the morning

[livid marlin]

😛

[tall atlas]

I’m sure it works with blind too

[nova kelp]

I sap CONSTANTLY, but mostly because I have it bound to pick poket and disguise

[haughty flicker]

sometimes i worry people take my shitposting seriously and think i actually believe the things i say

[tall atlas]

Gotta get they coins

[viscid spear]

[nova kelp]

screw the coins, I gota trigger the raid to no end by turning into a giant kurog mid boss fight

[tall atlas]

Did you see the coin mans in the alley in dorn now

[gray horizon]

bring back pickpocketting

[tawdry halo]

how else do you get bubbling wax?

[tall atlas]

Ah

[nova kelp]

remember when the devs were trying to impliment actual gains through pickpocket?

[gray horizon]

tbh i just dont even bother with the wax anymore

[nova kelp]

we were meant to get actually game play impacting items from it

[haughty flicker]

you can get bubbling wax from drops in floodgate

[nova kelp]

but they turfed the idea

[haughty flicker]

learned that first week doing it on normal lmao

[tawdry halo]

probably because they fired the rogue dev

at least, I assume they did

[nova kelp]

nuh uh, his stealth is just really high level

[tawdry halo]

[nova kelp]

he uses stealth+1

[tall atlas]

Woulda been cool but if they made it like you pickpocketed a thing and it was a perm item rather than a consume cos I’ve not once used or had in my bags or attempted to have bubbling wax this whole xpac fuck that

[nova kelp]

it was MEANT to become something for boss dps

not a consume dealio

like a main rotational skill

[tall atlas]

What like a fucking gotcha nose talent

[nova kelp]

but I think they decided "nah too complex" and just gave up on it

fair take tbh

[tawdry halo]

based take

[gray horizon]

i wish that was a talent

[tawdry halo]

that is hilarious

[tall atlas]

Stick my hand in his pocket feel his dick increase haste 3%

[livid marlin]

Can we use pickpocket for BoE's?

I tried in raids, but got fuck all

[tall atlas]

No

[livid marlin]

did they remove it?

[nova kelp]

don't let people trick you, just pick pocket everything, eventually it'll work

[gray horizon]

left hand for vers instead

[tall atlas]

You can get greens but not the ones that count

[livid marlin]

RIP

[tall atlas]

Both hands for crit

[gray horizon]

no hands for mast

[tall atlas]

They’re mega coming down in price so dw

[livid marlin]

I got a better trinket today, pleased . Hope I get something nice in vault on wednesday

[tall atlas]

Plus not many you really want as ass anyway so probs not worth the hassle

[nova kelp]

dude if we actually used pick poket for rotations imagine the /s macros

"I'm jerkin it"
/cast pickpocket

[tall atlas]

Fuck

Lads

I’m in
Bed

I need to log in to show you what happened in raid tonight

[livid marlin]

i might buy a waist