The first assa swaps to outlaw
#assassination
golden loom
so maybe we are 11 melee on wednesday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
coral ibex
warm vortex
Richard reverbarations seems to be hated this tier
nova kelp
it doesn't stop you getting 3 barrels half way to another continent
haughty flicker
i play sub on rik and still hate the boss
nova kelp
and then you have 99 melee like "we go hit thoug? but the bait"
haughty flicker
its just a dumb boss
nova kelp
and it's like "nah go hit"
and you bait a fucking amp in the middle of god damned nowhere
coral ibex
ive played assa on every boss so far
nova kelp
FUCK
coral ibex
golden loom
I am never playing sub cause I do not have trinkets!
coral ibex
i got heroic hoc in first vault xd
golden loom
no transmitter no house no job no wife no kids
deep gyro
I am never playing sub cause I do not have trinkets!
Excuses
haughty flicker
im using the pvp trinket
deep gyro
Get a pvp trinket
coral ibex
meanwhile our other rogue who is really good at sub
golden loom
hahahahha yes!
haughty flicker
but blackmailing rl into giving me hoc next time it drops
nova kelp
then you're like "it's fine, play on" and the priests get stuck giga slow running across the universe from some rando amp in the middle of the undermine, all the way to the boss spawn
coral ibex
4 weeks of bandit kills on normal/heroic
no trinket drop
our loot has been so bad lol
coral ibex
i would play outlaw if they let me use a damn dagger
nova kelp
maybe I should just roll outlaw
coral ibex
i have good outlaw gear other than a main hand rn
nova kelp
and get an elbow injury
golden loom
I only have 3 kills on heroic bandit, we just stopped cause loot was getting disenchanted in heroic and I do not feel like pugging atm
coral ibex
no, skill issue is getting griefed by guildies and only getting 3 drops from heroic gally 20 man
(who the fuck gets saved to heroic gally on tuesday)
gusty mirage
haughty flicker
thats wild
nova kelp
that's a ripperino
gusty mirage
At that point just make up a fucking excuse and don’t show up
Wow
Is your RL mad as fuck
coral ibex
we were all mad
nova kelp
mine would throw a fucking fit
gusty mirage
That’s actually such a waste of everyone’s time
coral ibex
our loot has been so awful all tier
coral ibex
oh sorry it was normal gally, not heroic
nova kelp
No, no look it's ok, it is what it is, I mean WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU FUCKING... no... no it's ok
golden loom
I mean heroic and normal are the same
coral ibex
we have a grand total of 1 jastor in the guild
gusty mirage
If you’re doing normal you still need some shit that you didn’t get in heroic
coral ibex
after 4 weeks full normal and heroic clears
gusty mirage
That’s still toxic as fuck
golden loom
4/6 hero track and thats where the loot stays anyways
coral ibex
true
nova kelp
fortunately a massive majority of my guild got super lucky pulling HoC from their vaults
gusty mirage
Man that would tilt me beyond recovery
nova kelp
so although my luck was ass tier, I got one from raid easy as
haughty flicker
thats actually such an insanely dick move
coral ibex
Man that would tilt me beyond recovery
most of the officers were tilted for sure lol
haughty flicker
like why is this person allowed to raid still
gusty mirage
Like why even pug it if you’re doing a guild run
nova kelp
"better odds" lol
coral ibex
it wasn't a pug, just a guildie
nova kelp
"I wouldn't get the drop in the guild run"
gusty mirage
nova kelp
lololololol
gusty mirage
It was a BM hunter wasn’t it
haughty flicker
the worst part isnt even doing it before raid, thats still dumb but whatever
manic pebble
!wa
warm vortex
Holy shit it's the monkey hi
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golden loom
"Fuck the loot council!"
warm vortex
That sounds derogatory
haughty flicker
the worst part is showing up to raid after anwyay and not telling anyone
haughty flicker
so the whole raid gets fucked out of a drop
coral ibex
im NA ven
warm vortex
That#s fucked up
gusty mirage
Holy shit it's the monkey hi
warm vortex
Go to their house and be very mean
coral ibex
this past tuesday this happened
haughty flicker
warm vortex
Also typing that out reminds me of someone playing a wii game
Forgot who it was but they were so angry they just went
"I SWEAR TO GOD IM GOING TO COME TO MY HOUSE, AND" music started to censor whatever he said
He was so mad he said his house lmao
warm vortex
I second Ven’s option. Be very mean with a baseball bat
Nono
you see what you are doing in your pfp
jsut imagine them as the stick
haughty flicker
ok bane
cedar flicker
do we use only 2 poison in bleed build ?
coral ibex
yes
gusty mirage
haughty flicker
gusty mirage
It’s a rule I have to tag sebe every time monke smash appears @lethal heart
nova kelp
that's a fury warrior main actively playing th egame btw
gusty mirage
I played a bit of warrior in SL, and I legit died to dumb shit at least 3 times every key and minimum 2 times every raid
I’m convinced it’s the warrior class passive
@stuck knoll confirm?
nova kelp
stuck knoll
Oh yeah I definitely become less intelligent when I enter a key as Fury instead of Prot
spice spire
I am screwed
stuck knoll
I will not press cleave
spice spire
All logic leaves my head when warrior
stuck knoll
stuck knoll
I actually do have to press MS tonight tho
stuck knoll
I am there to press shield block and fuck mobs
Btw I did the first pull of Cinderbrew on BDK instead of Warrior IT IS A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE
warm vortex
stuck knoll
I have spent all this weekend playing dk
warm vortex
Have some shitty thing i made a few weeks ago
stuck knoll
And now I need to remember how to play Arms for prog tonight
nova kelp
I'd main prot warrior
IF they let us dual wield shields
and I could just be a wall of spikes
spice spire
Btw I did the first pull of Cinderbrew on BDK instead of Warrior IT IS A VERY DI...
Is it the “I’m so cooked” and “we’re so back” chart?
soft shale
And now I need to remember how to play Arms for prog tonight
i kinda like colossus
stuck knoll
i kinda like colossus
Mods ban this man
soft shale
makes my brain tingle when i hit 12m demolish
spice spire
Prot colossus is peak gameplay
soft shale
oh havent tried it
spice spire
Ignore pain? Miss me with that, revenge only
nova kelp
peak gameplay was tomb of sargeras DFA sub
soft shale
i mean you can do 3m+ overall
soft shale
tbh low geared warr as colossus feels weird not having high crit yet
i like execute too
slayer
soft shale
i didnt know the rookery trink was op on healers
haughty flicker
Demo shout ten stack colossus on last boss of rookery
warm vortex
Demo shout ten stack colossus on last boss of rookery
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Arms Warriors don’t need mobility tools. Why? Because we have something better: CHARGE 💪. Imagine playing a class that doesn’t charge into combat like a freight train with Bladestorm 🚂🌪️, turning EVERYTHING in its path into confetti 🎉. CC? Who needs it when your enemies are DEAD.
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If you don’t main Arms, you’ll never understand what it means to walk into a raid and instill fear in the mobs AND your own raid leader 😎. Big Crit Energy is a lifestyle, and Arms Warriors live it every. Single. Day.
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haughty flicker
uh
soft shale
that took effor for someone
let that sink in
actually can you make those kind of memes with AI
nova kelp
that's th ekind of thing that happens now that AI can think for warriors
coral ibex
warriors would be dumber than AI
stuck knoll
Demo shout ten stack colossus on last boss of rookery
What about bursting the civilian adds before your dps can and stealing all the deeps for yourself
spice spire
spice spire
Dark flame cleft also my goat
nova kelp
first boss in dfc?
red schooner
its always starfall
gusty mirage
does your boomkin press starfall or starsurge
Why are you asking a question we all know the answer to?
nova kelp
I never have a boomkin 😦
also yeah
true
it's usually followed up with "but it's coz funnel"
gusty mirage
Same
nova kelp
"YOU DON'T GOT NO FUNNEL"
haughty flicker
if you dont do triple damage to the garbage than to the boss are you really living
gusty mirage
TRUE
gusty mirage
If they didn’t want us to pad why did they give us so many targets to pad on?
Checkmate
red schooner
I can have it both ways. "Why is your add damage so high?" "I'm hitting boss"
Feels good.
gusty mirage
I make sure to throw up a CT to steal their deeps with sudden demise
nova kelp
it's not PAD they have to die!
gusty mirage
BASED
I accidentally murdered a lock in floodgate yesterday
And he was so upset
I was reading a text message during the vines
nova kelp
oh, that smells good
gusty mirage
My bad G if you’re reading this
haughty flicker
lmao
limber lion
I make sure to throw up a CT to steal their deeps with sudden demise
I make sure to steal your heart with sudden kisses
gusty mirage
I make sure to steal your heart with sudden kisses
limber lion
Should I log into WoW, thoughts
viscid spear
Should I log into WoW, thoughts
No
gusty mirage
sludgefist was fun because you'd just cheat death
Lmfaoooo
lethal heart
gusty mirage
@stuck knoll I did that to Justino goblino. I accidentally hit the night fae blink when I bumped my mouse into my keyboard and I legit murdered him
He was so mad lmfao
viscid spear
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gusty mirage
Good, ty, bye for another 6 months
Yeah assa’s pretty chill. Right up your alley. Big envenom
Our finisher does damage now
nova kelp
you get to officially tell your raid "if you want me to hit add, bring boss to add, otherwise no"
gusty mirage
First time in decades
viscid spear
you get to officially tell your raid "if you want me to hit add, bring boss to a...
My RL doesn't trust me
gusty mirage
I wouldn’t either
nova kelp
it's a surprisingly good question for some races
copper mural
@balmy condor according to youtube video, you macroed shiv and tea than no need to track tea usage ?
nova kelp
oh shit, he's summoning
gusty mirage
Is the angry one still slumbering?
It’s 9am PST, he’s def still slumbering
Probably went to bed 2 hours ago
nova kelp
I just assume if he's not actively typing, he's a no go on the summon
unless you're desperately trying to bring cthulhu
limber lion
Yeah assa’s pretty chill. Right up your alley. Big envenom
But I hate Envenom and want big bleeds :(
spice spire
I just assume if he's not actively typing, he's a no go on the summon
Nah he’s had 4 hours
gusty mirage
But I hate Envenom and want big bleeds :(
Oh then see you next expac
nova kelp
But I hate Envenom and want big bleeds :(
you'll take your envenom bot, and you'll like it
if you want bleeds, stop playing the hairless cat and play the long haired version
nova kelp
Oh then see you next expac
you reckon we getting an actual dot build back? what do you know?~!
limber lion
if you want bleeds, stop playing the hairless cat and play the long haired versi...
I'm good ty, back to Runescape I go
👋
rocky zodiac
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
warm vortex
I accidentally murdered a lock in floodgate yesterday
For reclears
We have SKP
points for getting eachother killed
Healers not healing and tanks not taunting doesn't count
coral ibex
is anyone else's gallagio rep bugged/anyone else not gotten their 6th half spark this week
i dont want to open a 6th support ticket
coral ibex
my account is chached
im behind a week on rep and missing half a spark
for unknown reasons
red schooner
if you want bleeds, stop playing the hairless cat and play the long haired versi...
i play sin rogue and feral druid, best of both worlds.
nova kelp
I would do this, but every time I play feral druid I FEEL like I'm playing temu rogue
I wish they'd separate us a bit, make the ferals the bleedy bois and reflavour all our shit to poisons
red schooner
It felt clunky at first but I'm liking it now.
stuck knoll
That's a tilter
I raided with a mage who would ice block if he felt he was gonna die at any moment because he thought it was better he lived than anbyone else
red schooner
I raided with a mage who would ice block if he felt he was gonna die at any mome...
tbf that's me with cloak sometimes
nova kelp
that's like the hunter that runs around like a dick head at the very edge of the encounter for 32 minutes so he can feign death
red schooner
panic, hit cloak, less panic
dapper halo
is this DeFacto bleed build?
nova kelp
that outa do it sure
lavish geyser
Is Theatre of pain assa troll?
nova kelp
ToP is PROBABLY more of a sub key
but play whatever you're most comfortable with
lavish geyser
its still kinda low, its a 13. so I dont know if it really matters taht much
nova kelp
you can do a 13 with a comfort build for sure
lavish geyser
nice, I am taking ttw
nova kelp
I believe in you, don't make me a liar
lavish geyser
🫡
dapper halo
always
royal lantern
if somebody says that its a ez run
warm vortex
Never said it has to be bad
dapper halo
why is my meowdy in that chart
warm vortex
Because you sometimes see it
dapper halo
meowdy o/ UwU
dapper halo
warm vortex
because i had a ML 12 that nearly timed with 20 deaths
gusty mirage
I had a pug tank pull the wildest strat
nova aspen
dapper halo
lol
warm vortex
Tbh there were so more i was thinking like
gusty mirage
He went gorechop -> portal boss -> xav
gusty mirage
Ngl that guy’s route had me shook
warm vortex
"Slur"
spice spire
Just to skip the one xav boss
sour elm
spice spire
He also went left on one of the portals
To the double tornado guys?
Or the first one
gusty mirage
To the double tornado guys?
Yes
gusty mirage
Our mage went on a journey
spice spire
ESP if kicks are light
gusty mirage
Yeah….
spice spire
Top?
warm vortex
7 FG
spice spire
Oh
keen vine
Good day, can someone advise me? Am I completely insane or is rogue just made of paper and will I get one hit out of 10 and die?
gusty mirage
It’s uh a woof moment
spice spire
Oh no
spice spire
Good day, can someone advise me? Am I completely insane or is rogue just made of...
We are good at dealing with planned damage
gusty mirage
Good day, can someone advise me? Am I completely insane or is rogue just made of...
For assa if you can’t feint things you will feel squishier than the other specs
spice spire
Spells going off is hard
gusty mirage
But if you’re dying, that’s a healer/interrupt issue
spice spire
But take like last boss of floodgate
You’re very very good at dealing with that altogether
spice surge
Assa is insanely tanky, until you encounter a mechanic where feint doesnt work
But even at 10s those shouldnt be an issue, and most dangerous things feint work on
spice surge
Like the boss that was just mentioned, last boss of floodgate, feint works on everything
spice surge
Debuffs is what fucks youz the most
It literally just depends on if feint works or not
It very often does
Like the dot of last boss floodgate, feint works
sullen mural
on the hit yeah
spice surge
Dot in second boss darkflame, feint works
Dot in second boss priory, feint works
No
On the dot itself
keen vine
thx
spice surge
There really is no conistency if feint works on it or not
Some mechanic it does, some other mechanic it doesnt
lusty surge
let fly 
dapper cradle
<:HYPERS:899486488855711764> let fly <:HYPERS:899486488855711764>
let fly
crazy they had to hotfix voice lines
sullen mural
Dot in second boss darkflame, feint works
Dot in second boss priory, feint works
Just tried it 2nd boss darkflame
doesnt work
spice surge
Idk logs disagree with you
sullen mural
I litterally just went there and watched the dot do damage to me with and without feint and i took the same damage
So either logs or blizzard is lying
Or you
drifting cloud
they said literally tho
storm forum
meowdy
keen spruce
spice spire
I litterally just went there and watched the dot do damage to me with and withou...
Did you have another external going without feint (think aura mastery)
Because like more than one thing is shown you have to see what the logs actually say
fallow canopy
static glacier
I litterally just went there and watched the dot do damage to me with and withou...
You wouldn’t have this problem if you just never pressed feint
sullen mural
Did you have another external going without feint (think aura mastery)
Im solo at the boss
unlikely
I'll just take it as blizzard being wrong
since I personally trust logs more
sullen mural
yeah no its more likely its just blizzard being wrong
royal lantern
It literally just depends on if feint works or not
does feint work on stix fire circle man
nobody answers me 
royal lantern
im no slacker
spice surge
coral ibex
does feint work on stix fire circle man
storm forum
i press feint on everything and if i don't look up whether it works or not, it placebo works on everything
sullen mural
25 energy tho 
sullen mural
Best part about stix is not being in
small cairn
!fuu
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sullen hollow
how exactly should we play around having magnet
i have signet and magnet
do i just send magnet on cd or what
copper pine
Do you delay Vanish as Assa in m+ to line it up with you other CDs ?
red schooner
how exactly should we play around having magnet
Send it during lingering darkness
That's my understanding of it anyhow
Lingering boosts it by 30%
sullen hollow
Do you delay Vanish as Assa in m+ to line it up with you other CDs ?
you use it to reapply dots, nothing else really
coral ibex
send at the very end of LD
sullen hollow
Lingering boosts it by 30%
oh
fleet coral
something happened to assa bug or smth ?
sullen hollow
so last 6 secs of lingering darkness
so, it makes sense to hold it for 2mins every time really?
copper pine
you use it to reapply dots, nothing else really
Yes so in Aoe or when tank is chainpulling thats for clear but when i see vanish is up but Deathmark and Kingsbane is 40 sec delay do i delay Vanish to reapply Improved Garrote in my Deathmark Window ? Wort to hold it even if i will lose maybe 2-3 Vanishs overall in a whole key ?
red schooner
so, it makes sense to hold it for 2mins every time really?
I'm not fully sure on that front, not played around with the trinket myself so couldn't comment.
red schooner
something happened to assa bug or smth ?
Can you elaborate
sullen hollow
I'm not fully sure on that front, not played around with the trinket myself so c...
looking at logs it looks like it just gets cast last 6-7 seconds of lingering darkness
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> according to youtube video, you macroed shiv and tea than ...
Correct
dawn seal
whispyr when did u do mythic first 3
this week
I wanna find the vod for it on ur channel
dapper cradle
whisp too busy pushing for title this season again
dawn seal
I foundit I am stupid
spice spire
whisp too busy pushing for title this season again
Yeah the title to xfinity maybe
dawn seal
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
meager crane
if i wanted to run iron wire in the bleed build what would i drop?
past bobcat
How many stacks does Dslice sim eye trinket with?
does it sim having 20 stacks all the time?
lilac pumice
Hello, I recently went back to wow and my assa rogue, and had a few questions:
Should I use empowered garrot from invis before or during DM?
If I have two Shiv charges, in which order do i need to use DM/KB/ first Shiv Charge ?
In big pools in mm+, do I need to put Garrote and Rupture to every single ennemy, or juste like 5 for Scent of blood and energy pooling and let Caustic Splatter do my damages?
Thanks in advance
balmy condor
Yeah the title to xfinity maybe
Guess who I’m calling
fallow canopy
Hello, I recently went back to wow and my assa rogue, and had a few questions:
S...
!guide
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spice spire
Guess who I’m calling
Me?
balmy condor
How many stacks does Dslice sim eye trinket with?
Starts at 0, builds and breaks down like it would in game
runic hinge
haughty flicker
vast shuttle
is the set for sin good? if so should i use ctalyst on my champion gear or wait for hero?
haughty flicker
how
storm forum
use drums and see if anyone notices
haughty flicker
wild
warm vortex
And also both tanks are people who didn't tank the other day
haughty flicker
wait is this prog
warm vortex
Yes
haughty flicker
warm vortex
As i said optional day for prog
storm forum
oh, not like alt raid
storm forum
not slam drinks and play rats with the lads
storm forum
🫡
warm vortex
not slam drinks and play rats with the lads
Imma slam drinks and play with my rats
Her time to shine
As she is the luster
haughty flicker
the rats are sick ngl
storm forum
haughty flicker
i might get some
runic hinge
i might get some
i already live in your walls
royal lantern
the rats are sick ngl
rats are sick irl aswell
pet rats are THE shit
haughty flicker
i havent worked on hunter mog in a long time so im just using hati to match the thunder bow
royal lantern
cute af and smart as hell
haughty flicker
yeah ive heard rats are super cool pets
i think my cats might have an issue with them though
median citrus
fast mural
leggo rank 1 sprocket
oblique sorrel
Nice
rocky sluice
any particular dungeons you guys would 100% run double vanish with iron wire
dapper cradle
any particular dungeons you guys would 100% run double vanish with iron wire
Double vanish is everywhere tbh
I think that’s the standard build now
dapper cradle
Fuck IW
haughty flicker
if you're nothing without iw you dont deserve iw
dire jay
in +10 with overgeared blasters, should a hybrid bleed/poison m+ build outperform pure bleed with arterial precision? kinda wanna start learning assassination properly (aka having kingsbane and relying more on caustic spatter) but bleed build goes nuts (until i reach a boss)
normal mist
If the adds don't live long enough, hybrid bad
humble verge
Double vanish is everywhere tbh
the only reason to run double vanish is cause your tank will keep on chainpulling
red schooner
someone dropped out on rik, I AM NOW BACK IN BAYBEE
balmy condor
in +10 with overgeared blasters, should a hybrid bleed/poison m+ build outperfor...
that's the situation where bleed is better
dapper cradle
the only reason to run double vanish is cause your tank will keep on chainpullin...
Recommended in the guide now 
humble verge
Recommended in the guide now <:Shrug:937613140701618196>
yeah but, that still the gist of it
dire jay
If the adds don't live long enough, hybrid bad
ty i figured. i'll try it myself again and learn if they live long enough in my vault-filling runs
balmy condor
the only reason to run double vanish is cause your tank will keep on chainpullin...
not true but okay
humble verge
not true but okay
well its still 1 part of it
balmy condor
double vanish has always been really good
humble verge
the other is bleed replenish
dapper cradle
Bro is stammering, stuttering, and sweating
balmy condor
season 1 it wasn't good because subterfuge didn't work
humble verge
i feel casual was the only rogue not running double vanish, but maybe im wrong
balmy condor
but subterfuge is really strong
and double vanish is very strong
I mean he's fucking cooking
humble verge
yeah
balmy condor
idk what he's doing
humble verge
but the thing is like
balmy condor
cope
dire jay
not that bleed is ever really "worse"
is it normal to do elune's chosen moonkin level damage on single target as bleed? or should i study some more
balmy condor
that's not a build issue
that's just the spec
bleed is within 1% dps of hybrid
on single target
dire jay
oh o_O
balmy condor
is he running 1 vanish now too?
last I heard he's running supercharger instead of double vanish
spice surge
(i have no crit because im a silly sub main)
humble verge
last I heard he's running supercharger instead of double vanish
yes
dire jay
bleed is within 1% dps of hybrid
either way i'll brush up on your wowhead stuff, just alting rogue for fun ty <3
balmy condor
np
balmy condor
like I get casual wants to play for more single target but forced induction 💀
it's just not assas job
balmy condor
you lose so much fucking damage dropping subterfuge
dapper cradle
Casual just built diff
inland escarp
Zac turned him into an outlaw main
manic haven
!plater
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
keen spruce
runic hinge
on single target
bleed 3% ahead for me
runic hinge
unless i did something stupid in there
3 mins
maybe
We sim 5
okay much closer
tall atlas
does kb spatter
indigo mulch
Yes
haughty flicker
tall atlas
ok ty
haughty flicker
bleed 1.5% ahead in st for me
actually based
although im not using iw
so maybe a bit cheating
tall atlas
every time rik dies he drops two daggers im blessed
haughty flicker
farming tertiaries
ok bleed with iw+kb is only .2% ahead of hybrid in st for me
still based
tacit hedge
I've been play assa for a bit but apparently Dry shiv is new for this season? Could someone please explain what it is because I'm a bit confused on how to impliment it.
haughty flicker
near the end of lingering darkness you should have a moment when both shiv and darknest night is up
so just press shiv there and get big envenom
and on your kingsbanes without dm you only use 1 shiv halfway through
dapper cradle
Dry shiv? Nah, I need that wet shiv. I want my shiv sloppy. I want my shiv dripping. I want my shiv gushing. I want my shiv creamy. When I pull my shiv, it better sound like bare feet sinking into mud. It better sound like a spoon stirring mac and cheese drowning in butter. It better sound like a swamp bubbling on a hot summer day. If my shiv isn’t moist, messy, and downright disgusting, I don’t want it.
haughty flicker
go away
runic hinge
ok bleed with iw+kb is only .2% ahead of hybrid in st for me
.3% in st and 2.7% in single target. Ez choice tbh
tacit hedge
near the end of lingering darkness you should have a moment when both shiv and d...
I only have 1 shiv, do we run Lightweight shiv now?
haughty flicker
you have two shivs in raid build
ngl i dont even know if dry shiv is a gain in m+
tacit hedge
Sooooo do we still do this in keys?
haughty flicker
i play bleed so im just shivving on cd
tawdry flume
Is it me, or is energy management way worse in keys for single target for s2? I feel like im just waiting 4-6 sec (aka falling asleep) after every mutilate. (my haste is low, but its always been low ~6%)
coral ibex
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
safe swift
do people run full ST in WORK / TOP dungeons?
quasi coyote
with bleed build should i hold shiv charges for deathmark or just send them on cd
balmy condor
do people run full ST in WORK / TOP dungeons?
no
balmy condor
with bleed build should i hold shiv charges for deathmark or just send them on c...
always have 2 charges for dm
safe swift
i mean in work for bosses my dps compared to others is just to low and it's not an aoe heavy dungeon
so yeah dunno
quasi coyote
ok thx also in st without ttk we still wanna chain envenoms as much as possible right
balmy condor
i mean in work for bosses my dps compared to others is just to low and it's not ...
that's the spec, yes
balmy condor
ok thx also in st without ttk we still wanna chain envenoms as much as possible ...
there are no optimizations around envenoms buff
you simply spam envenom
keen spruce
U can chain them if u get bored in ST but it wont change your damage 
quasi coyote
ok so just spam perma until kb is about to come up
storm zinc
Dry shiv? Nah, I need that wet shiv. I want my shiv sloppy. I want my shiv dripping. I want my shiv gushing. I want my shiv creamy. When I pull my shiv, it better sound like bare feet sinking into mud. It better sound like a spoon stirring mac and cheese drowning in butter. It better sound like a swamp bubbling on a hot summer day. If my shiv isn’t moist, messy, and downright disgusting, I don’t want it.
quasi coyote
?
keen spruce
quasi coyote
U can chain them if u get bored in ST but it wont change your damage <:smile_dog...
why tho i dont get it tbh
cuz envenom does more dmg
when the buff is up
shell crater
Dry shiv? Nah, I need that wet shiv. I want my shiv sloppy. I want my shiv dripp...
I hate everything about what I just read
quasi coyote
is it a bigger picture type of deal or
keen spruce
is it a bigger picture type of deal or
Yeah pretty much
quasi coyote
hmm fasho i feel like last season i was told to chain idk
tawdry flume
We need blizz to uncap splatter. Ridiculous seeing unholy dk do 40m a pull, while im only doing 12m 😦
keen spruce
Opportunity cost of pooling / how energy management works tier to tier
Yeah last tier we did
For small gains
quasi coyote
feel like it changes constantly xd
keen spruce
I think it had to do with tier set though
keen spruce
It’s never a big enough deal to worry about out but Assas gets kinda boring in st outside of CDs so when it is optimal it’s pretty easy to add pooling into the rotation
Idk
I’m not playing this tier
I don’t think it would change anything
quasi coyote
nah i mean assa st is zzz
copared to other spec
i dont mind when ot gets a bit more complicated tbh
actually a net positive to fun xd
haughty flicker
Need the bongocat sub gif but it’s just mut mut envenom
severe sparrow
wait is there a rogue themed bongocat floating around?
quasi coyote
bro do i just get rid of my envenom buff tracker
haughty flicker
quasi coyote
i literally stare at it in st cuz im so used to chaining
severe sparrow
yeah im pretty sure you can get rid of it these days
quasi coyote
damn who woulda thought
severe sparrow
i still have mine on cuz i think it just came with the whole wa pack i use
zenith elm
!stealth
severe sparrow
i also have that kb tracker bar from df still too 
because god forbid i have to look at numbers to know when the back half of my kb is
zenith elm
Which command is the one for the restealth argument ?
severe sparrow
i need that mf on a timeline
haughty flicker
Yeah I’m never getting rid of that bar
severe sparrow
!chainpull
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
- For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
- Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
- Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
- Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
- Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
- You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
severe sparrow
this one?
haughty flicker
Literally just tells me when to press shiv at this point
quasi coyote
honestly is that even right nowadays
haughty flicker
But I still like it
runic hinge
Literally just tells me when to press shiv at this point
Car horn at 8 seconds
severe sparrow
i think the st raid build doesnt imp gar anymore so we dont vanish there,
keen spruce
bro do i just get rid of my envenom buff tracker
Nah you’ll probably need it next tier 
severe sparrow
i bleed build keys cuz im lazy and it's a cozy build so i just vanish for big pack bleeds so idk what we do there
quasi coyote
Nah you’ll probably need it next tier <:KEK:826392390553174048>
also is shiving on cd based on hybrid
like i might as well press right
severe sparrow
i never delete my homemade wa unless they totally get rid of the ability, just swap it to never load
haughty flicker
Hybrid shiv does nothing in aoe anyway
quasi coyote
might not b worth in huge pulls ig
runic hinge
But kb tracker just says 8 <:HMM:848652680699183114>
I’m audio learner
Call me Pavlov’s big dawg
haughty flicker
Bleed uses shiv more freely because it uses ap and buffs bleeds for aoe
quasi coyote
saw some1 doing that so was curious
quasi coyote
yea ap it makes a ton more sense
coral ibex
for the boomers
haughty flicker
Oldge bongocat
keen spruce
I’m audio learner
ASMR enjoyer I see
red schooner
might be on the chopping block for rik add damage, pray for me.
gusty mirage
https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-rogue-gif-24661232
The good old days
Way too much apm in that gif tho
red schooner
tbf raid leader is chill with it, he knows how the spec works
just ain't cutting it add damage wise
coral ibex
rip
red schooner
ye, it is how it is
coral ibex
how bad is the comp
humble verge
red schooner
how bad is the comp
coral ibex
wow and they're cutting the only rogue for add damage
truly a raiding moment
not one of the 2 uhdk
red schooner
uhdk are doing good add damage
coral ibex
boot the rogue 
keen vine
red schooner
like, 4th and 6th place add damage wise
coral ibex
wow
royal lantern
https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-rogue-gif-24661232
@golden loom
humble verge
2 unholy
red schooner
but ye if it happens then eh, i'm chill with it
hidden torrent
coral ibex
truly a richard reverberation moment
red schooner
ye bench happened
keen spruce
No one callin him Dick vibration yet?
haughty flicker
I do
keen spruce
good
keen spruce
humble verge
you know the rest
red schooner
WHAT
ye the boss is sticking to the bait points and remains static, boss ain't moving to adds
coral ibex
this was our add damage on our prog kill
red schooner
so spatter wise if the spawns aren't there, i'm kinda stuck
coral ibex
yes we have 3 rets no i dont know why
red schooner
yes we have 3 rets no i dont know why
our ret would be higher but he got swapped to healer
coral ibex
our uhdk is literally below the ret pala for add dam
idk how yours are doing so much
i guess holding cds
ours refuses to hold
at any point
red schooner
i guess holding cds
i'm not sure
but ye i'm drawing with the affliction lock for add damage and ye, feels bad
tacit hedge
there are no optimizations around envenoms buff
Is dry shiving optimal in keys?
haughty flicker
Why is your shadow doing so much more to adds than ours
red schooner
Why is your shadow doing so much more to adds than ours
no clue!
coral ibex
idk bro's a goat fr
haughty flicker
Is my guilds spriest unethical
coral ibex
likely
haughty flicker
Tbf he was the highest ranged
red schooner
but ye, it happens, i was kind of expecting it so eh
keen spruce
Just become unbeatable
coral ibex
oh he was dead for 90 seconds
keen spruce
Benchable*
keen spruce
Bring impeccable vibes and unethical damage
coral ibex
hence the big WW dam
red schooner
also we had insane barrel rng on reclear
they swapped me out, still struggling with it, VINDICATION
coral ibex
our WW is actually our MW
red schooner
but ye it feels a bit bad because i want to help with adds i just... can't really.
coral ibex
yea tough look
i also dont like asking for better boss positioning bc it feels like special treatment or something
keen spruce
i also dont like asking for better boss positioning bc it feels like special tre...
The trick is to always frame it like you’re noticing that it would help someone else
polar rampart
your life as an assassination rogue is being griefed by tanks
coral ibex
but our other rogue will yell at the officers to fix the boss positioning
and they listen to him
keen spruce
“Hey I think the uhdk cds would really blast this set if we could bring the boss over here”
humble verge
your life as an assassination rogue is being griefed by tanks
no, by RNG
keen spruce
red schooner
your life as an assassination rogue is being griefed by tanks
yeah boss didn't really move to adds which kind of fucks me a little bit
haughty flicker
Yup our tanks go to wall and never move
red schooner
Yup our tanks go to wall and never move
oh hey we share tanks
coral ibex
he really only needs to get pulled off the wall for the speaker drops
if ur getting bad barrels with the boss on the wall
rip
haughty flicker
So on sub my boss damage is abysmal bc I cant sectec boss and hit barrels
Unlucky times
red schooner
i'm looking forward to rik and stix prog being over
red schooner
extra dumb
nah mine is sound. It's not like he's going 'where the fucks your add damage at', he knows how sin works.
rugged gulch
General rogue question. I have a push comp consisting of Guardian, Disc, Sub, Unholy, Elemental. My rogue player is on the fence about playing sub vs assassin and I don't know enough about the specifics of rogue but given the goal of pushing high keys and the comp, is there any major difference between going sub vs assassin or is it marginal and it doesn't really matter?
coral ibex
assa more aoe sub more ST
waxen oyster
oh i meant in general
which is part of why i’d never raid at a low rank again because management at more casual levels tilts me
humble verge
@red schooner do you guys not have dragons
red schooner
i'm in a rfwl guild, the prog never ends
red schooner
<@411515707151482880> do you guys not have dragons
we have a single dragon
red schooner
well its good your rl isnt cooked then
Yeah, he asked me about add swapping, I explained how sin works, he's just, 'yeah, that's chill, not played rogue before'
So, no complaints from me.
waxen oyster
like even sub
benefits so much from close barrel spawns
since you hit boss and adds
spice spire
waxen oyster
I mean wtf are the ranged doing
also tank players not moving boss when its like their main job in raid
haughty flicker
red schooner
I just wanna grumble slightly about the bench okay, let me have this
willow cloud
also tank players not moving boss when its like their main job in raid
I've found tank play this tier absolutely egregious. It seems like any tank player with any kind of positional awareness has finally been completely driven from the average boringness of the role.
balmy condor
royal lantern
should replace days with hours tbh
red schooner
gottem
haughty flicker
can you get me pls
red schooner
Buddy I’m about to get u
sure my place or yours
haughty flicker
spice spire
Iirc you’re EU so probably you’re
warm vortex
No he bounces on my cock not yours
spice spire
Wouldn’t dare want anyone in US
spice spire
No he bounces on my cock not yours
Brother it’s cute that you think I couldn’t actually snap you in half
waxen oyster
I've found tank play this tier absolutely egregious. It seems like any tank play...
Yeah kind of
spice spire
warm vortex
Brother it’s cute that you think I couldn’t actually snap you in half
Kinky
balmy condor
balmy condor
it's !rik you donkey
red schooner
Can we have the !rik command and a !richard command that links this image
coral ibex
!reverb should pull up the image
haughty flicker
!dickvibrations
balmy condor
Can we have the !rik command and a !richard command that links this image
hmmmmmm
warm vortex
hardy rapids
!dick
haughty flicker
low thicket
https://tenor.com/view/every60seconds-in-africa-meme-africa-big-man-tyrone-gif-1...
Can someone confirm this?
robust light
if i garrote the same target twice in a pack will it spread garrotes to other targets that dont have it? same for rupture. i dont really like target swapping alot mid pull
balmy condor
we shall see if this works
haughty flicker
!richard
red schooner
!richard
balmy condor
if i garrote the same target twice in a pack will it spread garrotes to other ta...
carnage is smart, yes
!update
prisma monolithBOT
Updated.
haughty flicker
!riccardo
balmy condor
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
red schooner
hell yeah
robust light
carnage is smart, yes
so say on a pack of 5 with one of them being a prio target. i can target that one, garrote twice and it will spread garrotes on the whole pack? and then rupture the target twice to spread rup too?
balmy condor
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
robust light
awesome, thanks
haughty flicker
np
runic basin
are you playing Blackjack in keys guys? does it make sense?
red schooner
are you playing Blackjack in keys guys? does it make sense?
i run blackjack, its good
coral ibex
i play with pug tanks and if i get told i suck because they can't get aoe aggro in 4 gcds i'm gonna crash out
so i use tricks
runic basin
royal lantern
https://tenor.com/view/every60seconds-in-africa-meme-africa-big-man-tyrone-gif-1...
every 60 africa, a minute passes
bronze pike
i play with pug tanks and if i get told i suck because they can't get aoe aggro ...
welcome to vdh fotm season
especially7 with reaver
where it does take 4 gcds before you do your first damage thing that generates aoe threat
but people also like to add 4 more gcds before that so your waiting 8 seconds
violet talon
Unfortunately it's never going to end as long as the Raid Leader Exchange discord keeps this ridiculous message pinned in their faq lol
lethal arrow
just hit the barrel
bronze horizon
somebody save me from this hell. the trinket from floodgate doesn't exist. Not shown here is like the 3 items i've traded and a couple others i've sold before i decided to start hoarding all the floodgate items.
royal lantern
Unfortunately it's never going to end as long as the Raid Leader Exchange discor...
good thing that my RL just used me as a "be above thise guy" benchmark then
lethal arrow
you cant parse a boss that doesnt die
royal lantern
god i love having a smart RL
warm vortex
Unfortunately it's never going to end as long as the Raid Leader Exchange discor...
Calmest draco post
severe meadow
good thing that my RL just used me as a "be above thise guy" benchmark then
We didn’t even look at barrel damage, we just killed it in 14~ pulls or something
balmy condor
Unfortunately it's never going to end as long as the Raid Leader Exchange discor...
I mean what am I supposed to do about it
I can only put out the information I can
haughty flicker
fix it 
balmy condor
I ain’t in the business of warmongering across discords
royal lantern
I mean what am I supposed to do about it
use your John WoWhead powers
red schooner
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
subtle tundra
Unfortunately it's never going to end as long as the Raid Leader Exchange discor...
that discord is a cess pool(i dont frequent it)
coral ibex
Pleae no more
warm vortex
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtletly.
warm vortex
Tbh
They will read all this and either say
"Don't care"
or
"ok swap to sub then"
balmy condor
And if they swap to sub, good on them
red schooner
Well, they benched me, still dying to barrels.
balmy condor
And that’s fine too
If your raid lead says play sub and you say I can’t
What’s the rl gonna do
warm vortex
Just come to his house and fuck him in the ass
royal lantern
punch me in the face
hot pasture
pray for good barrels
haughty flicker
coral ibex
there's a term for that
haughty flicker
my rl when i say i cant play sub
warm vortex
tough love?
haughty flicker
officers talking about @red schooner
red schooner
officers talking about <@411515707151482880>
jokes on them thats my fetish
balmy condor
Getting benched is fine and normal
Assa is awful at barrels and so if your raid lead says hey need barrel get benched
red schooner
ye, i'm chill about it. class doesn't work for a boss so, to be expected.
red schooner
I know it ain't because I was playing bad, its just.... yeah, sin issues.
balmy condor
I don’t even think it’s an issue
I think it’s healthy for classes to be bad at things
royal lantern
ye, i'm chill about it. class doesn't work for a boss so, to be expected.
our stix conversation was like this
"rogue kinda sucks there, am i in"
"yeha i know, not really many logs or anything for it on rogue, but you are 1 of the smart guys that can probably do the balls good, so who cares, just hit the boss"
balmy condor
We can’t do single target in keys, but our overall damage is bonkers
warm vortex
Shouldout to the Bench beast
balmy condor
We can’t do spread prio burst cleave
balmy condor
But good lord do we crank on mug’zee execute
red schooner
our stix conversation was like this
"rogue kinda sucks there, am i in"
"yeha ...
i don't know where i stand on stix prog but my rl did ask me, 'hey, you have a feral druid, how do you feel about learning boomie?'
so, IT AIN'T LOOKING GOOD
balmy condor
Jesus Christ
bronze pike
so guys about the barrels
balmy condor
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
haughty flicker
!riccardo
balmy condor
I’m going to regret making that a command
red schooner
So yeah I might have to learn fuckin' boomie 
royal lantern
!richard reveberation
prisma monolithBOT
haughty flicker
So yeah I might have to learn fuckin' boomie <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
nothing to learn
balmy condor
Well of course it works
red schooner
idk you just hit starfall and win right?
haughty flicker
yes
balmy condor
You just said Richard
bronze pike
So yeah I might have to learn fuckin' boomie <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
spam star fall
haughty flicker
unironically yes
bronze pike
idk feral is pretty solid as well
coral ibex
you couldn't pay me all the money on planet earth to play the fucking chicken
haughty flicker
my damage breakdown in a heroic stix pug
red schooner
ye, feral is fun, still learning it though so I ain't great.
But, for some god forsaken reason the raid leader trusts me
low thicket
So more boomkins
bronze pike
boomie saying theyre bad when they get 4 stacked in every raid tier
royal lantern
my damage breakdown in a heroic stix pug
most ethical moonkin raid dps
red schooner
I don't know why, he probably hasn't taken his meds
bronze pike
haughty flicker
most ethical moonkin raid dps
not my fault everyone ignores hyenas like the plague 
red schooner
not my fault everyone ignores hyenas like the plague <a:cattime:1228651622415073...
me with caustic in that fight
glorious
floral shoal
Deathstalker at Mugzee (heroic): somehow I have problem activating it on pull due to that little knockback. Any tips other than just send vanish?
red schooner
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/319990965337063425/1356307640963...
thank fuck i'm terrified of pugging
royal lantern
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/319990965337063425/1356307640963...
i hope so much that blizz is gonna nuke it