assassination

[coral ibex]

yea this boss is ass

[thorn thorn]

Do you have a log of you using it during the debuff

[jade abyss]

is there a addon that shows me spell ids ingame?

[tight yarrow]

Heya guys hope your well, I crafted one dagger for my assassin rogue and I wanted to craft another one though i didnt see anyone having another crafted weapon so is it a bad thing or what? cause I kind of wanna craft one

[runic hinge]

Gratz on killin the hard boss

[shy creek]

Will you be entering mythic and killing rik reverb anytime soon

If yes, hold off and just wait for the dagger to drop

If no, sim your other gear and see where the biggest upgrade is

[tight yarrow]

I just do m+ sadly

Thanks ❤️

[golden loom]

Might be some interesting thing going on here... I tried in an earlier pull to vanish the lock on but it didnt do anything, but for some reason here it did? I also cant see what else stopped the cast so I am a bit confused

[haughty flicker]

I didn’t think vanish worked

Even if it does it’s kind of insanely troll to do anyway lmao

Wait I’m thinking of the wrong thing

[normal mist]

crafting a second dagger is just troll

[haughty flicker]

Ignore that

[golden loom]

yeah idk maybe it works on it, but also felt that it didnt in an earlier pull, and im too fried to check any more logs idk

would be nice though incase cloak is down and the mob doesnt get stopped

[warm vortex]

Omg our raid lead said he has until 4am

To do gally

Good lord

We are gonna be here for a while

[native fossil]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn thorn]

What time is it now

[hexed basalt]

I might be blind, but is there a chan here where people can help review my logs to see why I suck?

[warm vortex]

Half 10

[normal mist]

Usually posting the log is enough for one of us to open a thread review

and @spice spire to check it out

[hexed basalt]

I mean, its rough posting it cause im super bad. But wont improve otherwise right ? 😄

[normal mist]

You can't be worst than what we see during raids with pugs

atleast you're here, right?

[hexed basalt]

hehe

[hexed basalt]

Well....

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qk8cXKG9JvT34Bwx?fight=23&type=damage-done

[grim jay]

You arent even the worse rogue in the log

No need to worry

[hexed basalt]

well

im still grey

😦

[normal mist]

which means there's only one way from there

Up

[fleet pagoda]

getting better is the most satisfying part of the game

[gritty laurel]

yeah, you'll have several things to work on and they'll all be noticeable dps boosts

[normal mist]

Aight i tagged quake, but feel free to check the thread for the log review

[haughty flicker]

pippoo is a sick name

[hexed basalt]

hah

[silk sundial]

Parsing on mugzee is weird. I was consistently blue parsing. First 2 or 3 kills we would start on red side and everyone would go into a gaol. Swapping as sin sucks and you have to delay your cd till after.
This week we started on blue side, more adds off the rip with cds. When you get gaols you should stay out to cleave both off the boss.

Assuming your rotation is correct those 2 changes will help out on mugzee parses

[red schooner]

Have you tried not swapping and spattering adds off the boss instead?

[silk sundial]

That's what i did

Works way better

[hexed basalt]

ty ❤️

[red schooner]

Yeah it's great, cooldowns + adds is fun

Everyone else is in jail, I'm just vibing

[static glacier]

trying to think was is sl s1 that we pressed fok in st

or was it just ct

[tardy steppe]

just got this from cache. is this any good?

[red schooner]

Sometimes you gotta go fast

It's better than not going fast

[tardy steppe]

hell yeah

[white mulch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

It’s basically just a regular cape

The effect is kinda whatever

[runic hinge]

1 second lol

One of my friends got week one and was all excited then he just dropped in the water insta and we laughed so hard

[haughty flicker]

best one second of your life though

[runic hinge]

That’s what she said

[red schooner]

I shall take a second of zoom over 1 second of no zoom

Easy pick

[fleet pagoda]

just macro it to deathmark

[red schooner]

Macro it to sprint, become faster than god

[hardy rapids]

It sadly doesn’t stack :(

[balmy condor]

Yeh can only have 1 self-speed buff I think is the limitation

1 internal 1 external

[pastel cradle]

For the rookery final boss, should you use your cds when he pops shield or does it matter?

[narrow mauve]

Just wondering. Swaping from sub to sin for m+ and doing some sims.
Is it true that for sin, stats wise "everything works"? Not seeing huge upgrades in recrafting on dif stats or anything. or is there a cap or something which I am missing?

[nova kelp]

There's a 100% damage amp. Use your shit then

[fleet whale]

That patch run from like the start of 2020 all the way up until Shadowlands came out

[warm vortex]

quick question

Leech or avoidance for cloak

[normal mist]

avoid

trust

[winged sun]

guys

wrong channel

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[sand sigil]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stone mauve]

noob outlaw player trying to learn sin. is it generally recommended to target different adds in m+ to spread rupture and garrote before going into your rotation?

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[runic hinge]

you would always spread rupture and garrote from stealth

[stone mauve]

This is exactly what I was looking for ty

[runic hinge]

you're welcome

sin is v fun

[indigo mulch]

I love sin too, even though i'm trash at it.

[stone mauve]

i love outlaw but being consistent with no insane dps ceiling especially for higher keys can get boring

[warm vortex]

And in one night

[coral ibex]

you can always make good use of mouseover casting to more efficiently cleave your bleeds

but carnage is just easymode

[warm vortex]

gally is now the most pulled boss in the raid for us lol

[indigo mulch]

Getting to p3 on 35 wipes seams good though? he is an end boss afterall 😮

[warm vortex]

The problem is it’s the type of guild where it’s normally 3-4 people doing most of the heavy lifting

[indigo mulch]

I mean we haven't even got close to mythic gally yet ;s

[warm vortex]

Boss damage on 2 random pulls I got

[warm vortex]

This is heroic

Lmao

[indigo mulch]

[warm vortex]

Yea xp

Like me and the mage are quite consistently p high but the rest is quite variable

[haughty flicker]

2 outlaw rogues lmao

[warm vortex]

Yea

I remember saying aswell Assa might be better but tbh I have no idea if it is on this fight

Just looks like it

[indigo mulch]

I dunno, maybe i just played it wrong but i struggled with lining up cds properly for adds etc.

[warm vortex]

Tbh we just have a fire mage and I got bear and (if it lines up) my 2 min which is my only other cleave

But yea hope we somehow get him tmmrw

[vast shuttle]

how do i get spectral gamblers peiceses?

[warm vortex]

What

[vast shuttle]

how do i get the set?

[indigo mulch]

Raid, vault and catalyst

[vast shuttle]

what raides?

[runic hinge]

liberation of undermine

[coral ibex]

2 outlaw rogues is diabolical

[vast shuttle]

what ilvl in normal?

[warm vortex]

One mains outlaw but the other is just playing it cause idk

I did tell him I think Assa is better here

[haughty flicker]

the other one is playing outlaw to assert dominance

[normal mist]

check in game the ilvl the first bosses drop, add 5

(because pugs)

[crude dock]

Loved assa on gally

Once I just put all my faith in spatter

[warm vortex]

I’m just playing BM cause I’m stupid and cba to learn the other 2 hunt specs

[crude dock]

Fair

[warm vortex]

Also when’s the best time to lust on Gally

[normal mist]

when your raid leader yells at you

[crude dock]

My guild was just doing at start

We destroyed the shield pretty easily without it so never switched up lust timing

[warm vortex]

Yea

[umbral sierra]

ight lads, when pugging keys what healers are u looking for

class wise

[night cipher]

whatever fits your comp

[warm vortex]

Exactly this

If no BL
Sham/evoker for example
Haven’t seen any prez this season tho

[indigo mulch]

If you wanna minmax it i think the best place to use bl is when he starts doing the lazor thingies

if you healers can keep people up there you can get many damages

When you dps the shield. If you just don't interupt it you can keep him in that phase i believe.

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-it's-genuinely-over-trout-trout-dying-trout-it's-over-gif-4267717049801794134

[indigo mulch]

[umbral sierra]

prez is dog shit lol

has to do so much extra to be on par with another heal;

[warm vortex]

I just felt rude when people (not here but other places) started naming and shaming guildeis

[umbral sierra]

and yes w/e fits comp do u need bloodlust etc but say bl and brez are covered what are we taking

[warm vortex]

So for good measure I deleted all of the logs of it I sent

[haughty flicker]

thats fair

[warm vortex]

Also trying to sleep and clocked my shoulder in a way that really hurts

Oof

[livid marlin]

smashing it 🙂

[crude dock]

💪

[spare kayak]

is that using the bleed build?

[livid marlin]

yep

[spare kayak]

can you show boss dmg? im curious cause i just rank a 12 priory using the DTB KB build

and im not amazed

[sullen mural]

Boss dmg is slightly behind hybrid build

Assa just sucks bossdmg wise in m+

[livid marlin]

erm yes one sec

[livid marlin]

lemme log it cause dno how to do that with details

so first boss

second

third

@spare kayak ❤️

[spare kayak]

ty dear

[indigo mulch]

What i'm i even looking at here? lol

[sullen mural]

Crimson tempest uptime on 2nd and third

[indigo mulch]

I love playing bleed build :c

[sullen mural]

Playing hybrid in anything under 13 just feels bad

Bleed build ontop

[indigo mulch]

Yep

but for my weekly 10's its okay :p

[indigo mulch]

i mean to be fair, i feel like hybrid is better even in 10's

[haughty flicker]

vdh pulls entire first room

dies instantly

leaves

[sullen mural]

It isnt

Things die too fast

[spare kayak]

ooof, filthy classic

[sullen mural]

Hybrid is good when adds survive for a little

[spice spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif?width=526&height=658

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, assuming people know how to press buttons. 😄

[coral ibex]

https://imgur.com/n3Odriy

https://i.redd.it/otk4cwzoqh3e1.gif

[sullen mural]

I've been in weekly 10 with rats (guild alts) and things have died before kingsbane was finished just duo dpsing

[indigo mulch]

Maybe i'll give it another try.

Because my overall was lower almost every single time when i was playing my pug keys in 10s

[sullen mural]

Bleed build is giga chill in 10s

Just hanging around

[agile locust]

What you guys playing in top? I feel hybrid is better suited? Or not?

[royal lantern]

you guys could stop overthinking the "builds" that do almost the complete same thing in the end by the way

[sullen mural]

But they dont do the same thing thats the point

[coral ibex]

your personal ability and execution matter more than your build choice in top

[royal lantern]

like, you only do some minor dmg shifts, thats it, end result is nearly the same

[agile locust]

Ok 👍

[royal lantern]

"hybrid" is more focused on cleaving stuff, "bleed" is more raw aoe with crimson tempest

end result is still the same "you do good aoe and bad boss dmg"

[agile locust]

Is bleed better with KB or without?

[thorn thorn]

In keys yes

[sullen mural]

I mean if you narrow it down on just those 2 things they do the same yea

[thorn thorn]

Spec is more lobotomized in raid

I honestly dont even remember what I responded to

[sullen mural]

I was more saying one aoe's with spatter and needs a higher hp target and the other doesn't which is somewhat different

[royal lantern]

for me its more like

the "bleed build" existed for ages, its nothing new

and nobody cared really

[sullen mural]

Well

No shit

Thing got buffed

More ppl play it

[royal lantern]

now its suddenly borderline "you need to play it, until its +12 and then its unplayable!!"

when like

it was always kinda "better" in lower keys

that didnt change at all lol

[thorn thorn]

You cant gaslight me

[royal lantern]

gaslighting isnt real

[sullen mural]

Nah u can defo play hybrid bleed just feels better on low keys after the buffs for season 2

By a decent margain

[thorn thorn]

Im out here schizomaxing

[indigo mulch]

I don't think he was telling anyone that you have to do x though.

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[thorn thorn]

Your attempts to gaslight me are a failure, for I have already maxed schizomaxing

[royal lantern]

its not real anyway

[haughty flicker]

how can it be real if our eyes arent real

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

Guys I'm going to bed good night

(I need good night kisses)

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/um-actually-brennan-lee-mulligan-blow-kiss-kiss-dropout-gif-23439413

[topaz eagle]

yo which stats should i choose for everforged stabber as assa? 🙂

[coral ibex]

sim it

or random

or crit mastery

[topaz eagle]

is it possible to recraft the item somehow later?

[coral ibex]

yea

[topaz eagle]

cool thanks 🙂

[gilded dune]

https://tenor.com/view/kisses-kiss-mwah-muah-heart-gif-13400006

[sonic ember]

is anyone else getting agro when earth ele is out

or wot

[runic hinge]

[high jetty]

Are you actually or are your plates just saying you are?

[humble verge]

man, our drakes on sprocket are pumping like wtf

[sonic ember]

MEGA dead

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[frank trench]

I can never figure out how much tab rupturing and garroting I should be doing

[winged sun]

you need rupture for energy in m+

and 5 ruptures for 20% agility

raw ruptures also do good dmg so u could spread more in ur free time if u aren't envenoming ur target while tank is pulling and stuff

garrote each mob once and blast

dont overthink it much

if the target count is too big u dont have to garrote shit just rupture twice and blast

packs die fast in big pulls anyway since u usually have cds/lust up

[frank trench]

Do you rupture same mob 2x?

Does it smart spread?

Or do I have to flip targets

[hollow river]

IC has smart targeting iirc but I believe it reapplies to your main target

But I think changing target to spread is a small min max

[rain berry]

hi, adds in rik reverb spawn random?

[winged sun]

yea do that

its fine

i do it too most of the time

doesnt change how fast a pack dies anyway missing 1 rupture

[storm forum]

is TTB really better than AP for ST?

[balmy condor]

Equal or marginally better yeah

[storm forum]

ty

[balmy condor]

Not having bleed talents means AP sucks

[stable cove]

just coming back to game, did sin see any big changes from 11.0 to 11.1?

[balmy condor]

Not really no

[stable cove]

dope

[lament ruin]

hi guys, my groups rogue just came back to the game after awhile and i think theyre making some rotational mistakes. could i post an m+ log here for advice?

[indigo mulch]

I'm sure someone smarter than me can do it, but i'm not sure how to read m+ logs 😦 I can do it for raid i suppose.

[keen spruce]

if you post it someone will probably take a look

[lament ruin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YNp9XWRJmkbLya4r?fight=last&source=1&type=damage-done&by=target

[frank kindle]

Hey friends, tank tuning in here, how much % of a dps loss is it when a rogue can’t open a trash pack in stealth?

[keen spruce]

if a rogue complains about restealths they're bad

As long as you're not actively trying to grief their restealths the entire dungeon then you're doin fine

[frank kindle]

Can you explain this one for me please

[keen spruce]

keep the pace up and chain as early as you can without dying

If you chain with like 2-3 mobs up that have ruptures on them, the rogue is already getting AGI and energy

[balmy condor]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[keen spruce]

yeah that

[frank kindle]

You’ve solved all my problems Thankyou

The rogue that I play with complains if he doesn’t get stealth every pack

And says it’s a major dps loss

[stone gust]

Hey what are good tips to follow to push, record and analyze and just slam keys?

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s a common thing

It feels bad therefore it must also crash 40% of my dps

[solar cipher]

on the first pull, it took him 28 globals to press mutilate once, which would activate caustic spatter (#1 damage for assa rogues), his opener is also all over the place

should get him to read the guide on wowhead instead ngl

[storm forum]

lanille is so back (purple parsing normal counts as being back right?)

[oak eagle]

Yeah nah bros just coping he's just bad

[cursive sparrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west crown]

This depends on the key level and how long the packs live too. All not getting stealth does is make the opener longer

[trim raptor]

Thats not even the worst part. He didnt deathmark anything in the first two pulls

[rain berry]

what should i do in rik reveb encounter to not feel useless in add dmg?

[frank kindle]

At the moment we are just doing 10-14’s

Sentiment remain the same?

[coral ibex]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[thorn thorn]

What if im tanking and intentionally try to hit them with frontals

[quasi relic]

Hi all! Is signet of the priory proccing crit instead of mastery based off the % in the stats screen, or absolute numbers? I've got a good 4% higher mast (even using mastery flasks over chaos), but all my in-use activations have been crit

[balmy condor]

rating

not %

%'s are different for each spec in the game, like all the mastery %'s are different

so items never use the %'s, they always use rating

[quasi relic]

Cool thanks!

Guess it's back to skardyn's xd

[balmy condor]

yeh just make sure you get more mast and it'll be aight

or a house of cards

[sullen mural]

didnt even know that the more u know

[quasi relic]

Ikr. I submitted a Bug report tho so GMs are prolly rolling their eyes

[static glacier]

!mugzee

!whitemane

!sylvanas

[amber brook]

For fights with adds, do we rupture them for energy or just 100% on boss?

[balmy condor]

only if the adds live longer than 8 seconds

(generally 100% boss)

[amber brook]

🫡

[hardy rapids]

[umbral sierra]

this isnt ur channel, ive come to take u home trickz, back to the pvp section before the boys get worried

[spice spire]

My goat saving this channel from me fr

[blazing kayak]

why dont the higher rogues play iron wire in high keys

like 15-16s

seems op in alotta dungs no?

[coral ibex]

usually more coordinated with kicks

so you just take the damage talent instead

[thick solstice]

Is 3% haste too low?

[coral ibex]

no

[thick solstice]

Also, is there an updated "Bleed build" talent list after the last Whispyr video?

[runic hinge]

how high keys are you doing

[thick solstice]

Finally starting to do 10s

[runic hinge]

run this

[cerulean walrus]

Bro dropped Doomy for Iron Wire

[hearty seal]

tbh it does just do more (in terms of usefulness), what's doomblade gonna do, like 40k more DPS in ST?

[timber meadow]

anyone have a working version of this wa? https://wago.io/8xGN251mS

[balmy condor]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[timber meadow]

thx man

[runic hinge]

Look I don’t wanna drop sbs but ryo made fun of me for my bad ST so I had to get kb

It’s making me play better too cause I have to care about spatter

[cerulean walrus]

Ngl I didn’t even notice you dropped SBS until you mentioned it

Just so used to it being there

So comfy

[runic hinge]

Opener feels worse but kb with build feels pretty good for overall

[blazing kayak]

how much dmg are u losing for playing ironwire > master assassin

[subtle tundra]

34

[neat flame]

I sent my raid lead the “!rik” and he was not amused

[misty holly]

If you count all the running back from wipes caused by missed interrupts then iron wire ends up being way higher damage.

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

meowmeow meow meowmeowmeow

meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

[golden loom]

[red schooner]

[rotund marsh]

pretty good drop from the weekly?

or nah

got buffed recently

goon squad..

[neat flame]

In terms of amusement, hella strong. Just like the one that throws a mine cart

[rotund marsh]

lol

[subtle tundra]

never bad to have the gooners with you

[tawdry halo]

That mine cart trinket is used by a guy I run keys with and I shit myself every time I run DFC on the first boss

[rotund marsh]

NEVER GOON

[subtle tundra]

always goon. gooners UNITE

[low thicket]

Goon squad up!

[rotund marsh]

But yeah simmed at a 66k ST damage increase

So I’m happy

[kindred crescent]

any advice for talents for somone new to assasination and rogue for this season.

[cunning needle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cunning needle]

read the guide

hit some dummies

read the guide again

come back later

[grim jay]

I would be happy aswell

Only got a 2nd HoC

[blissful spire]

what talents yall running for 13/14+ in M+?

[balmy condor]

me and eleem running bleed

[subtle tundra]

youre doing 13/14s?

[balmy condor]

and then my internet died

but I wanna get back on it so bad

[subtle tundra]

lol

fucking loser

LOL

PUSHER

AHAHAHHAHAHA

[balmy condor]

IM A FRAUD

[subtle tundra]

WHATCHA PUSHING BUD

[balmy condor]

getting pushed out of my guild with my NA internet man

[subtle tundra]

im on the frontpage of rio whispyrrrrrr

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

do keys with me

im doing 10's now

[balmy condor]

like now now?

[bronze pike]

no i mean in general

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah sure I'll do vault keys if I'm around

[bronze pike]

pog :D

[balmy condor]

but I'm still lagging like a mfer

[subtle tundra]

so are you enjoying the dungeons this season or why did you do something above a 10

[balmy condor]

dungeons good, changes good

[bronze pike]

mount looks cool

and ya season is pretty neat rn

[zenith elm]

How is the bleed build doing in ST ?

[subtle tundra]

im a certified hater of this season

[zenith elm]

in 13/14

[balmy condor]

just as good as hybrid after blindside buff

[subtle tundra]

bleed build st is okay as long as you get the 2nd dm in execute. in very high keys that wont be the case

[zenith elm]

Whut ☠️ now i'm gonna test that

[balmy condor]

it's -0.6% in my keys

sims

whatever

-0.6% in st

[zenith elm]

And in AOE, how much better ?

[balmy condor]

pretty much equal

[subtle tundra]

if fights are 2:30-3 min long, its good st(for the spec). if the fights are longer than that, its gonna be worse cause your 2nd dm wont be in execute

[balmy condor]

but sims don't account for damage from demise

[grim jay]

Execute DN

[zenith elm]

Oh so its better because of demise being stronger ?

[balmy condor]

I was talking to eleem about it

and like

the execute is just really good

[subtle tundra]

monk doesnt have any execute

[grim jay]

Well technically

ToD

[zenith elm]

Do you run bleed build in all dungeons ? Like TOP etc ?

[balmy condor]

reposting eleems clip

but 27 mil demise

just absolute trains prio mobs

it's just good

[subtle tundra]

crazy how execute is good when you actually have a third dps in the group and aug doesnt fuck your asshole

tightly

[balmy condor]

yeah

[runic hinge]

Delete Aug. make earth warden tank spec

[zenith elm]

Daaaamn ok, it looks really good i have to say, gonna relearn my rotation correctly for bleed since i'm only doing +13 rn 🫡

[balmy condor]

like with sims not accounting for the demise execute damage, bleed build spreading the damage a little more evenly, having zold/blindside

[red schooner]

I like the idea of aug, execution wise? Tis fucked

[balmy condor]

and it's equal?

that's a win imo

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Bleed feeling hella good. If only I could stop dying

[subtle tundra]

blud the rota is the same

you just gotta shiv

which is a 30sec cd

[balmy condor]

and frankly like even without poison talents, adds are still dying in cds

[runic inlet]

Interesting

[marble hemlock]

make more support specs instead

[balmy condor]

the prio dam is basically equal in sims too

[zenith elm]

KB not being here is fucking my mind tbh

[balmy condor]

like the builds are very similar

[runic inlet]

I find I'm so starved of energy in st

[subtle tundra]

erm why wouldnt you play kb

[marble hemlock]

turn disc/enhance/ret/boomkin/outlaw into support specs

[balmy condor]

yeah that's the spec

[balmy condor]

bleed build doesn't take it

[runic inlet]

Is what it is innit

[zenith elm]

It isnt there in bleed build, non?

No*

[subtle tundra]

isnt that just a variation

with no kb

[balmy condor]

you can take kb on a bleed build

but the standard is without

[red schooner]

Hell yeah, rogue support spec based around stuns/weakening enemies when?

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

it's mainly like if you want to take iron wire, you probably take KB

but if you don't take iron wire, you don't take KB

[subtle tundra]

yo remember when i was praying in tww beta that no kb build would be a thing

[balmy condor]

yeah well

it happened

[marble hemlock]

no

dont even remember what you said yday

[subtle tundra]

whispyr does

he a real one

[balmy condor]

they buffed bleeds a bunch and then me and eleem cooked it out of the depths of hell

[grim jay]

But now you are a monk(ey)

[royal lantern]

did nova piss in your Coffee or smth

[balmy condor]

I think in the last 1-2 months me and eleem have cooked a combined 5% in sims for bleed build

[marble hemlock]

no. i genuinely think this is the play

[subtle tundra]

yeah a higher WR than last tier monk(ey)

[balmy condor]

and then ambush got a 40% buff, which is just direct bleed build buff from blindside

and now the build is just good

[red schooner]

Support classes, good idea. Having only one support spec? Bad idea

[subtle tundra]

if i was rogue i wouldnt have progged a single boss this tier btw

[runic hinge]

Bench warming

[balmy condor]

mug'zee is assa fight no?

[royal lantern]

nah, horrible idea from the beginning

[subtle tundra]

a 2nd assa, no

[balmy condor]

💀

that's agony

[marble hemlock]

introducing support specs was the right move for the game. it adds a lot to other games that have them in a healthy way. blizz just went about it in a bad way by only making one.

[runic inlet]

You show the bleed build in your vid on yt right whispyr

[subtle tundra]

also 2nd phase mugzee dps race is not that big of a dps race

[zenith elm]

Yes cause of caustic cleave

[runic inlet]

Will have to watch it

[bronze pike]

i agree

[marble hemlock]

it really only is if you try to kill boss before last bombs/prisons

[balmy condor]

what

no

[bronze pike]

they really should rip the bandaid on supports and go all in

instead of once again stopping when its half bake

[balmy condor]

assa does dogshit dam to adds on mug'zee

[marble hemlock]

like, at least turning disc into a second support spec shouldve been a given, idk

[balmy condor]

you play assa for the execute exclusively

[zenith elm]

You can hit the prisons while hitting boss

[bronze pike]

i hope to see more support specs and maybe even a support role for a 6 man group

[subtle tundra]

ergh what
those last prisons happen at like 15-20% boss hp
nowhere close

[balmy condor]

yes I'm aware lmao I told exile to play assa on mug'zee in the race

[zenith elm]

Oooooh

[red schooner]

Yeah it still does barely anything

[grim jay]

Nah they should just make it a dps spec and be done with the Support BS

[marble hemlock]

just hit harder

[royal lantern]

where do you get the players from

[bronze pike]

disc is probably the only other spec that can do a seemless transition to support

[zenith elm]

Yeah but to booooth 🫡

[royal lantern]

??????????????

WHY???

[bronze pike]

[royal lantern]

disc is literally a fully fleshed out healer

what the fuck

[runic hinge]

People really like disc too

[red schooner]

Barely anything doubled is still barely anything x 2

[zenith elm]

Still trying to get better as assa tbh in raid

[zenith elm]

But its not 0 ☠️

[balmy condor]

assa is just 17% ahead in execute compared to sub

and mug'zee is raw execute fight

[bronze pike]

nah they already opened the box, they cant shelvei t without making their biggest playerbase pissed off

[zenith elm]

Noice

[marble hemlock]

so? incorporate some of it into holy so you can pick between both playstyles, and make a second support spec within the same class instead

[bronze pike]

as for disc, it already does the majority of its healing from damage right?

[grim jay]

The biggest playerbase either hates or doesnt care about aug

[bronze pike]

casuals love aug?

like

they absolutely love the shit out of a bard support spec

[marble hemlock]

the goal shouldve been to have multiple support specs that support different archetypes/roles

[royal lantern]

thats such a giga cooked take from people that dont play disc and think its reduced to "press smite" lol

[marble hemlock]

i.e. disc being a support spec that boosts healers

[bronze pike]

and been asking for it since vanilia

[grim jay]

Casuals cant love aug because casuals do World content, farm transmog or collect mounts

[bronze pike]

i can admit that ya

[grim jay]

And aug fucking sucks at that

[red schooner]

Give bard spec

[bronze pike]

ultlimately the goal ends up being make more support specs

[red schooner]

Ty

[bronze pike]

dont turn specs into support, just make new ones

[red schooner]

Why not both?

[grim jay]

And I have yet to see more than a handful of people that actually like Support specs in wow

[bronze pike]

they also do lfr and normal and well low level keys

like that one guy said aug was a failed experiment

[red schooner]

I like them I'm just permanently tied to rogue

[bronze pike]

and he got jumped on twitter and reddit by casuals defending aug to death

so clearly the casual population likes shit steaming pile of shit

[marble hemlock]

disc turned from a spec that was mostly built around preventive shielding, to just another ramp healer and its either totally eclipsing holypriest, or is completely dogshit itself. theres really no value to having it when it cant coexist with the other healers, and in like 10 raidtiers theyve never managed to do it either

[grim jay]

Twitter and reddit arent a accurate representation of anything other than how degen humans can get

[bronze pike]

wow forums too

[grim jay]

Same thing

[marble hemlock]

disc is either useless in a tier, or you absolutely 100% need one.

[bronze pike]

again its stupid to completely shelve aug now it was released. without pissing off a good chunk of their playerbase. it might not be the player base you consider "valid players" but its a larger base than the key and mythic raiding scene

thats for sure

[balmy condor]

I think maplestory bishop does the support thing well (even though it's terribly overpwered) but this concept I think could work for stuff

[royal lantern]

bro, forum/reddit STILL complain about "forced to reroll all the time as outlaw"

[bronze pike]

their people too

[balmy condor]

like you do solo/m+ stuff, you toggle vengeance

[grim jay]

Brother, the community that doesnt do lfr normal or low keys is bigger than the part that does

[balmy condor]

and then in raid you could be in bene

[marble hemlock]

you could even have different damage-profile supporting support or builds, like one that lets you funnel a lot of damage, or one that lets you share damage from a single target to another target ala havoc, to make up for weaknesses in raid comps

[grim jay]

And those people almost 100% dont enjoy or dont care about aug

[balmy condor]

yeah

[grim jay]

So the aug defenders wont ever be a big chunk

[bronze pike]

i think your just seeing it with the eyes of someone who thinks atoc is casual or something

[grim jay]

In any stretch

[balmy condor]

it's kinda like 2H vs dual wield frost or whatever

[soft shale]

the other day i saw a fury warrior using 2 1h

[grim jay]

Im literally talking about the content they do

[balmy condor]

I wish there was more mode-switch type stuff in wow spec

[marble hemlock]

one of the biggest issues with aug, was that it only did one thing, which was boost CD-based classes

[bronze pike]

and they still use aug in that content

cause its a game

[balmy condor]

bleed in m+ vs poison in raid with assa is so based

[bronze pike]

and they have fun playing aug in content it sucks in

[marble hemlock]

imagine if aug had a separate build that buffed sustained DPS classes instead

[balmy condor]

ye

[grim jay]

Evidence?

[bronze pike]

that would be so cool

[balmy condor]

I mean choice node talents literally exist for this kind of thing, or even hero talents

[golden loom]

Slayer in raid, big fucking lightning and thunder in M+, very based

[grim jay]

Imagine if they wouldve just added buffs that dont fuck with anything other than aug stuff

[bronze pike]

do you want me to literally compile every screenshot or twitter post of some rp andy saying they love aug and/or main it?

[balmy condor]

blizzard just needs to be a little more exotic

and not be scared to do unique things

[marble hemlock]

ye

[grim jay]

You dont get that its not a decent representation in any way

[marble hemlock]

thats why i think support spec was a great idea

[grim jay]

[marble hemlock]

just badly executed, but they should keep going with it

[balmy condor]

like why haven't we seen more specs with the key-down stuff from evoker?

that's a cool thing

[royal lantern]

outlaw is the perfect mode switch spec

you spec outlaw and turn the game off

[bronze pike]

like i can find the echo guy that said it was a failed experriment, and show you the literally hundreds of qrts of people calling him insane

[marble hemlock]

you mean casts with stages?

yeah

[royal lantern]

the gave WW one

[subtle tundra]

i mean, last tier they had a very high uptime on ebon might(idk how it is now), they didnt care to sync up much and pressed on cd

[marble hemlock]

when i saw DF alpha i was like "oh this is sick, hope they add it to other classes" and iirc they even said thats the plan

[grim jay]

Key down? You mean depleting?

[marble hemlock]

but since then nothing

[bronze pike]

ultimately ya, tjhey shouldnt have done support if they werent willing to go the full mile with it

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

yeah but more

[bronze pike]

but its done, so they have to actually finish what they started

[royal lantern]

tbf, the empower thing is still REALLY gimmicky, even on evoker itself

[balmy condor]

like make warrior bladestorm a key-down channel or something

[subtle tundra]

its literally just a 1 to 1 implementation of a plunderstorm ability btw

[marble hemlock]

imagine having a 3-stage death from above as a rogue where the longer you hold, the more CP it consumes with sick animation to boost for massive dam

[subtle tundra]

if you didnt know

[royal lantern]

like, on evoker its just "multiple targets = full empower, 1 target = dont empower"

[subtle tundra]

and holding down does nothing but increase distance traveled. you want to tap it anyways

[grim jay]

Sounds like action combat stuff

[bronze pike]

its fun

[marble hemlock]

thats a design failure, nothing more

[bronze pike]

like we often forget its a video game

[subtle tundra]

well i hate movement abilities that do damage

[bronze pike]

and we have to think about whats fun

[grim jay]

Balance is fun

And I dont mean the spec

[marble hemlock]

but ye anyway

[runic hinge]

I hate moonkin they’re not even people

[marble hemlock]

was really hoping theyd do more with support but they bungled the release of aug so much that they soured most of the top-end playerbase against it

which sucks

[subtle tundra]

like on mugzee i have to play extra better cause WDP and slicing winds could make me get hit by swirlies

[marble hemlock]

i know a lot of lower-end players that genuinely enjoy aug

[subtle tundra]

or in intermission it could be fucky
or gallywix with spinning beams on mythic(theres a mythic only thing that makes it worse)

or maybe im bad

and i like to complain

[royal lantern]

its not just top end tbh

like, aug was so broken that "playing evoker" turned into "play aug"

you like presservation? sucks to be you, play aug

devestation? aug bozo

[marble hemlock]

didnt help that pres and devoker were fucking dogshit for the rest of DF

[bronze pike]

nah you gotta get evidence of it

screenshot everyone who said they like aug

[marble hemlock]

keep in mind that people on discords like ours are part of the top 1% of players in wow, its a very insular bubble

[bronze pike]

i know

[marble hemlock]

theres a massive playerbase out there that doesnt give a fuck about parsing or how "op" smth is, and many of them enjoy aug

[bronze pike]

thats what ive been saying for awhile

[radiant raven]

I've got a friend who is still playing Aug atm. And enjoying it. It's just like you say: people gonna play what they enjoy and not care.

[grim jay]

Cope

[marble hemlock]

the idea of playing a support is already super appealing to many

[bronze pike]

im not a greenname so im the only one who gets replies kek

[royal lantern]

i mean, i know SO MANY people that stopped playing evoker because of aug

[marble hemlock]

if they gave rogue a support spec, id play the shit out of that

[bronze pike]

ya thats also true

[radiant raven]

Bard??

[grim jay]

Ye noone says anything against that, just calling it a big part is just ew

[bronze pike]

but thats also partially because devoker and prevoker was tuned like aids

[subtle tundra]

id whip you

bad support

[marble hemlock]

id cum

[subtle tundra]

MORE DPS.

[bronze pike]

keep in mind that the closest dev got with aug in df was in s3

where you could actually drop aug for high content

[royal lantern]

@marble hemlock btw seli

does feint work on your own fire circle on Stix

[grim jay]

Its even worse than saying people loved the rework from combat to outlaw

[red schooner]

Give us one based around disabling enemies it'd be neat

[bronze pike]

but ya know community perception is a pos

[marble hemlock]

I CAST VICIOUS MOCKERY

[radiant raven]

YES

Let us put in custom messages for it. So I can make every single one a bad pun.

[bronze pike]

now in tww

[radiant raven]

And kill my party with bad puns.

[royal lantern]

our bard did that againdt a golem 4x last week

[grim jay]

That would be the end.

[bronze pike]

devoker and prevoker rivaled aug in terms of output and healing capability

[royal lantern]

kinda painfull to watch

[subtle tundra]

i played a single dnd campaign and i was a monk
all i had was punch and kick
and variations of punch and variations of kick

[bronze pike]

then ya know

[velvet cairn]

only initial hit i think

[subtle tundra]

goddamn i wanted some cool fucking spells

[bronze pike]

they still had to kneecap aug top kill its community perception on highend

[marble hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlYFWLUDBQ

[radiant raven]

Monk in 5e is kinda mid. PF2E monk is hella fun in comparison.

[royal lantern]

thats 4 elements monk

[subtle tundra]

i wanted to be a drunken master

[bronze pike]

they can probably buff it now without it fucking up the overal meta, or use 11.2 as a opp to make aug affect sustain profils as much as burst ones

[balmy condor]

when are we getting this as a cd

[subtle tundra]

to fit in with my lore...

[royal lantern]

but like, monk is literally the "punch kick hard and have high AC" class

[subtle tundra]

thats literally killing spree

[balmy condor]

yeh except it doesn't kill you

[bronze pike]

if only killing spree didnt make you move around

[radiant raven]

In my last PF2E campaign, I just had a Monkey King-esque Monk. it was great. Just nonsense stuff happening. Also made apretty accurate staff.

[bronze pike]

i want this for outlaw

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-overwatch-league-gladiators-gladiator-los-angeles-gladiators-gif-13574662

[grim jay]

The day a big chunk of the playerbase likes aug

[marble hemlock]

btu ye idk

[red schooner]

Yeeees, pf2e martials are great

[subtle tundra]

my friends are having a dnd campaign that i didnt join
im waiting for that one to end(over a year now...)

[marble hemlock]

i play support in almost every other game i touched

just not wow

i used to play mage during wow beta

imagine that timeline if i had stuck with that on release

instead of playing rogue

[red schooner]

I did a bit of 5e but pf2e has ruined 5e for me now

[radiant raven]

Same

[marble hemlock]

based af

[bronze pike]

mage cord would not be super shit

or

[radiant raven]

pf2e isn't perfect but it just does a lot of things better esp the action economy.

[marble hemlock]

5e is a good entry for beginners tho

[radiant raven]

Absolutely, yeah

[marble hemlock]

but ye

[red schooner]

3 action economy my beloved

[marble hemlock]

better to swap to pf2e, DSA or exalted eventually

[golden loom]

Melee is just superior to casters in all games.

[radiant raven]

How to finally solve the martial versus caster balance issue: 3 actions. It works so well

[marble hemlock]

hot take: any game that becomes too concerned with balance becomes shit sooner or later

[radiant raven]

True

It's why Destiny 2 is fun again

[marble hemlock]

just let shit be broken once in a while. thats fine as long as the entry level threshold of switching to other builds/jobs/classes isnt super prohibitive. wow has consistently failed VERY HARD at the last one

[runic hinge]

I won’t. I would’ve never seen nova

[subtle tundra]

corruptions were broken and people loved them

now they bring them back, watered down

for some fucked up reason

[radiant raven]

I am curious if they'll revisit the whole support style now that Aug is pretty.. in a corner. Doing nothing. The idea of attaching it to healers with a toggle is cool to me. So they can swap between supportive bonus DPS or pure healing and shift as needed. More depth and support without really making anything mandatory

[bronze pike]

mastery corruption

avenging wrath wings mastery axerite

lights decree

[marble hemlock]

nah, attach it to hybrids

and outlaw

[bronze pike]

400% mastery everytime u pressed wing

imma be real wity you varas

idc how much of a dps loss twlight dev is. im using it exclusively all expansion

[marble hemlock]

fuck, i wouldnt care if they made assa a support spec. move some of its stuff into sub/outlaw, and give us a whole new kit built around dealing extra damage with a variety of poisons, enhancing ally attacks with poisons, debilitating enemies that boost damage types/profiles etc.

[radiant raven]

Ye, hybrids would be cool but the reason I say Healer is 'cos you'd alway shave one in the group (or more) anyway. So it gets around one of the issues with Aug. Albeit just having MORE classes able to do it in different flavours does the same thing.

[royal lantern]

except the fun Part

or the part where the game will be still have running servers in 1year

[radiant raven]

Nah, I think it's doing good right now. A lot of the changes with the final shape are good, the season right now is very solid. It's shockingly competent for Bungie. Hopefully they get to keep on this track.

[bronze pike]

lies

or else skeletor wouldnt be playign marvel rivals

[royal lantern]

bro, looking at the planned changes for the next expansion

its so obvious that its maintenance mode

and artifical grind extansions

[nova kelp]

I have 6k hours in destiny 2, but I don't have a raid group and it makes me giga sad

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1343915701534199808/GMP_U2F2ZUdIMDE.gif

[subtle tundra]

i wont

[teal mica]

If you have improved garrote, what'st he point of subterfuge?

[royal lantern]

bungie is done with destiny and only does the bare minimum to keep addicts grinding now and extend those grinds

[subtle tundra]

good for you though hoe you enjoy yourself

[radiant raven]

Maybe. I think some of them look neat like the director changes and the armour. I'm going to be POSITIVE. Because I'm a titan main in it and have no brain.

[royal lantern]

subterfuge makes all stealth benefits work during its duration

[grim jay]

bdo has this system where you can just tag an alt to your main and both chars get the same progress on whatever they do. the alt also gets a copy of the mains gear

thats a great one

[nova kelp]

I'm waiting to see frontiers at this point, but I'm definitely one foot out the door atm, even with the hours under my belt

[radiant raven]

The biggest improvement Destiny 2 needs is to not be Destiny 2 anymore but that was true all the way back in Beyond Light

[marble hemlock]

ye buzt also took them like 6y 😄

[grim jay]

but if it took wow 6y we would have that for quite some time already

[nova kelp]

destiny currently has an issue with a: keeping the majority of the player base which is casual because they lock their best content away from them

big changes coming with explore mode if they continue along that vein

they need match making for raids too, especially since even with the LFG tool the participation in high end content even at a raid level is like 17% of the player base

that and they just have hoards of cheaters in pvp

[radiant raven]

Yeah, some kind of matchmaking for raids (Maybe even a chiller difficulty) would go a long way.

[marble hemlock]

well imo one of the main problems is that wow used to trailblaze in the mmo-sphere, but now theyre playing it kinda save

[grim jay]

for sure, I dont think its bad in itself tho, since they wouldnt need to reinvent the wheel to get systems that people enjoy and add to their game

[nova kelp]

put the explore mode changes into "matchmade mode" for raid, no major one shots and not lightless, there ya go, giga easy mode for people to engage with - Drop the potential loot, create incentive but also engagement

[grim jay]

look at housing soon

people are so fucking hyped

[radiant raven]

Yeah, agreed. Interestingly, I think the Housing system is a bit of a return to this because it's so clearly doing what they do best. Taking something from other MMO's and doing it way better.

[grim jay]

and its a thing thats been done 500 times before

[radiant raven]

Yeah, that'd be rad. And then people'd be more confident going into organized raiding because there's less pressure to know it all immediately. Although you have to use the Australian symbol guide, that's the deal. Easier raiding but mandatory australian symbol callout guide.

[grim jay]

I think the issue when it comes down to making alts easier is that they would need to make a decision thats potentially against their subscription system

because it takes away playtime, worst case

[nova kelp]

I've had so MANY friends join the game just to leave because they couldn't complete anything that mattered even after a bunch of hours, but even when they joined groups, they didn't know one mechanic and just get turfed, or get stuck on "add clear boredom" forever

if they had something to engage with, even just my friends, I'd have like 6 raid groups worth of peeps still playing

[radiant raven]

Ye, that's pretty much the crux of it.

[nova kelp]

not everyone wants to sweat their balls off solo flawlessing every dungeon a day after release, so I don't blame them

amazing game, I adore it, but it's just lost sight of the things that matter for a while, hopefully not forever

[radiant raven]

Ye. My favourite time was during Forsaken, then I dropped off a lot over the years. Come back when the expansion is cheap, have fun, get annoyed, quit.

[nova kelp]

splitting their team between 25 different potential games and essentially abandoning their lightning in a bottle game that was one of the only of it's kind on the market was an intensely crazy decision

[radiant raven]

Gotta make a new Marathon game (that's an extraction shooter. ????)

[nova kelp]

that would be like wow sending all their devs to the wow sims addon

"we've put 75% of our dev team on diablo immortal, because you guys love phone games"

"also rogue is in it's final form, we've decided they can no longer be improved or reiterated"

[runic hinge]

It adds to the duration of all your stealth benefits. So indiscriminate carnage, imp garrote and master assassin are all extended by subterfuge

They all have 6 second duration but go to 12

[subtle tundra]

extraction shooter? where where

[indigo mulch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D7yWjX9Mh3FaB8Zc?fight=5 o_O Not sure how i missed this log but are people really 5maning vexi without a tank on heroic? lol

[subtle tundra]

gotta start playing tarkov again. i need my anxiety levels to shoot up again

[balmy condor]

shadowjab my goat

[indigo mulch]

Ahh

Not sure how i missed that.

[balmy condor]

can you tell

where the suspicious log is

[indigo mulch]

Hmmmmm

[subtle tundra]

erm. gally?

gray log all of a sudden

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, gally for sure.

lmao

[balmy condor]

gray logger on normal randomly hits 100 on sprocket

[nova kelp]

nah this makes sense

[subtle tundra]

you just seem mad

[nova kelp]

he's just really really really good at single target

[grim jay]

its also easy to see if you look at the targets they damaged

[radiant raven]

Maybe they found a way to push the boss into one of the grinders.

[distant plinth]

Tell them to join a shit guild and start from the bottom and learn the game then

[red schooner]

Shadowjab built different

[indigo mulch]

lmao

[grim jay]

the good old swampface vexie

[runic hinge]

I just got lucky. 1000 monkeys smashing typewriters type beat

[nova kelp]

when you push enough buttons, eventually you push them right

also the rest of his guild actively kills him with mechanics on the other bosses

on sprocket they die on their own

so he gets to let loose, anime style for a change

[royal lantern]

its my main problem with TWW tbh

like, DF playing it save after Shadowlands was ok, and they wanted to build up some new "foundations"

but then TWW released and does nothing really with them, and the big expansion feature was literally called "just new talents with some theme behind them" and that is still halfbaked

so why did you spend almost 2 years building "foundations" and then do nothing with that really?

and imo they made some big leaps backwards with the world content itself, its ALL just cosmetic stuff and recolors of it now because they are too scared that people complain about being forced to do it

which is like, ok i gues? but still feels kinda stupid that we get entire new zones and if i dont care about the 2 new shoulder+headpiece combination and its 40 recolors, there is literally 0reason for me to ever go there

[vale lantern]

hmm

throw dynamite

[radiant raven]

It's a very long throw

[distant plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-aint-reading-all-that-im-happy-for-u-tho-or-sorry-that-happened-im-happy-for-you-thought-or-sorry-that-happened-gif-16532884834168127420

[grim jay]

to enter the delves!

you need to fly through them!

[nova kelp]

honestly, I think if you play rogue main, your view of TWW is probably bias in an anti way more than others just due to radio silence that we're still fairly new to

[radiant raven]

i'm gonna say a big take: bring back artifact weapons

[distant plinth]

Bruuuuuh

[grim jay]

I actually like tww in itself

[vale lantern]

wait this is just a log from the boss at the end of dfc

[nova kelp]

oh shit, he said the thing, I agree

[bronze pike]

gally

[runic hinge]

I’m going it all for the mount and meta achieve that’ll come out

[nova kelp]

I do too, but I bet it's a fairly safe assumption overall

[grim jay]

honestly based. with an upgrade item every week

for ilvl

[distant plinth]

Gotta grind maw of souls again

[radiant raven]

Yeah or just going with the AP system from late Bfa (Where the lowest you could be was like 3 - 4 off the highest)

[distant plinth]

Need those maximum artifact lvl

[grim jay]

depends on the impact of the diff either way ig

[radiant raven]

Ye

[nova kelp]

anyone who thinks weapon drops are "objectively better" than artifact weapons never had to try and get sylvanas daggers

[normal mist]

Took me 12 kills

I counted

[runic hinge]

Sylvanus daggers should be our artifact weapons

[nova kelp]

the rest of us hate you

[grim jay]

think 6 for me

😄

[radiant raven]

Took me 0 because I'd quit the game during it

[grim jay]

but only heroic

[distant plinth]

Did you farm max lvl during the first weeks?

[nova kelp]

it took me all the way through to season 4 to loot my first one

legit

just never dropped

and actually, it still never dropped

I got 2 through dinars

[radiant raven]

Relics from Legion were flawed (the little things you put into the weapons for ilevel / traits) but like. You could take that system and improve it. Improve the AP system like it was in alte BfA (or just +1 ilevel weekly via a quest, same result as you say). You keep crafters being able to make -3 max iLevel relics so the system is, functionally, the same.

And bam, we're back

[royal lantern]

outlaw mains when people

dont

write

like

that

[nova kelp]

there were a lot of good iterations we could have done with artifact weapons, but we were onto something, they were cooking

they turfed the idea too soon

[grim jay]

ngl lootwise rn I'd already be happy if they dont decide to make a universal stat on-use raidtrinket ever again

[radiant raven]

Ye

[distant plinth]

🙂

[grim jay]

and make it so that you can get basic trinkets like that on 1.5min and 2min cd through both M+ and Raid

[nova kelp]

when we gave up our artifact weapons with ole crystal boy, he should have been like
CHAMPION! AH GOT SOMETHING TE SHOW YE!
and he takes us to some titan forge where we make our own legendary weapons to make our own name with

[distant plinth]

Especially shit trinkets for ALL classes

[radiant raven]

1000%

[royal lantern]

maybe hottake inc

if doing world content would give you something like legion like reroll tokens for m+ and raids

it would feel so much better

[radiant raven]

I have very big opinions on what they should do with loot, anyway. Detemrinism, proper catch-up, revamping the vault (I.e., add three node you can assign to slots. Tier / Trinket / Weapon. It can only roll within those types for that slot. You can assign 3 in total, and they can be the same 3).

[royal lantern]

like, give me a reason to go outside and do worldquests

[grim jay]

or fuck it, they should make stat on-use trinkets in a way that you can just set the CD at an NPC that automatically corrects the stats for the right scaling

[nova kelp]

I do... world quests... I need the rep

for like

raisins

[grim jay]

I have quite some aswell, but heroic gear dinars on either a 2-week cycle or a kill basis would fix most of my issues

even with alts

[radiant raven]

Yeah, absolutely agreed there.

[grim jay]

so you arent just locked out of something but dont get the best for free either

[radiant raven]

Incentives to reclear while hunting gear is a good design but right now it's so rng I cba.

I also think bracketless loot should be more of a thing. Esp from detemrinistic currency. So people like me who do harder content but can't / won't mythic raid above the first few bosses via pugs can get the best trinkets eventually.

But it also has positive knockon to the rest of the playerbase being able to access stronger stuff, which makes content overall easier and alting more accessible. DF did that pretty well.

[grim jay]

you mean bracketless as in how the dinar items work?

[radiant raven]

Precisely

So it's 1 - 16 instead of Champ / Hero / Myth.

[grim jay]

that would cause quite the outrage from some mythic raiders

[radiant raven]

Ye. I'm sure they're really upset about how the dinars will work.

But it's healthier for the game.

[subtle tundra]

i miss bonus rolls

[radiant raven]

same

[grim jay]

saaaaaaaame

[radiant raven]

The vault being a replacement for those, then never actually evoling in any shape or form.

[grim jay]

I even killed one boss 3 times

and use all 3 rolls

iirc I did that for the archimonde trinket

or was it capacitor

[radiant raven]

I did heroic Nerubar every single week the season was active, killing Ky'veza. And doing 6/6 Heroic vault slots. I saw the transmitter drop 3 times on heroic and never appear in my vault. Loot RNG is nonsense design.

[grim jay]

atleast for "mandatory" items

[radiant raven]

Yeah

Which is why I like the approach for the vault I suggested - tier / weapon / trinket

[grim jay]

I dont mind it on slots that dont have effects

[radiant raven]

The most important things to aim for.

[grim jay]

ye

[radiant raven]

We have the catalyst for other slots, which is a really nice form of determinism

let us catalyst weapons though

[wary light]

Hot take if you're at a level where a "mandatory" item is that important that you need it for w/e content, have multiple of X class 😎

[royal lantern]

weird take,not hot take

[wary light]

(this is a meme fuck trinks)

Thank the lord for dinars though and hope we get them each season

[runic hinge]

You’re right. I should level a second rogue

[royal lantern]

cus like, its not my fault that blizz decided to make rogue dmg based on you habing the sylvanas dagger during sepulcher lol

[wary light]

If you're not playing 15 rogues you legally cannot complain about vault

[runic hinge]

I never complain about vault but tbh I’m easy to please

[rotund oak]

this can and will be used against u in the court of law

😂

[runic hinge]

[subtle tundra]

noted

chocolate ice cream it is

for the date, i mean

[radiant raven]

Chocolate icecream is pretty good

[rotund oak]

parfait chocolate icecream

or how the french spell it

''softer'' and tastier version

(has more milk)

[zenith elm]

For dinars, if you have a heroic priory trinket, do you still use it for house or cards or maybe it goes into gallywix ring?

[royal lantern]

what dinars

[zenith elm]

in 11.1.5

[soft shale]

he is taking notes for 2 months in the future

[zenith elm]

yeah

[rotund oak]

house of cards

thats what u want

[soft shale]

likely you get jastor as assa if you have priory

[bronze pike]

lmao

[soft shale]

it is a big rdps increase

[bronze pike]

assumiong you get jastors

i javent seen a norma heroic spider ring

[soft shale]

dinars make it so you can get any item in the raid

[bronze pike]

i got heroic ring on my alt

[zenith elm]

cause i dont think i'll take eye of kezan, seeing as the dmg isnt that much more than stimulator in raids

[soft shale]

that is why he was asking

[rotund oak]

also true

[zenith elm]

Yep, i think the same, ring seems OMEGA Bis

[soft shale]

eye is not that good unless you mythic raid or do coordinated m+ where you dont drop combat much

or you are chasing the highroll

as sometimes it can just stack fast in like 3 mins

[rotund oak]

eye of kezan is mage trinket

[soft shale]

it is very decent for execute classes too kinda

[rotund oak]

just take the reasonable choices

[soft shale]

i think i will take jastor likely

[zenith elm]

i'll also take jastor

[soft shale]

because the power lvl of a 678 one is quite strong

and the chances of me getting it on raid are 0

[rotund oak]

IF it comes down to that im either house of cards or jastor ye

[soft shale]

and vault is always trolling

[rotund oak]

btw sub needs to teach boys here a lesson how true nukes feel like

[zenith elm]

Vault isnt my friend tbh

[rotund oak]

we need a max output sectech

pressing the nuke type of thang

[soft shale]

envenom at least does not have super split dmg

[zenith elm]

if i get the heroic ring, i'll get house of cards, but thats the only exception

[soft shale]

like sub cucks with evis coup or sec tech

i want to see my 60 million hit be 60 mil