assassination

[spice surge]

You also have ~15% passive dodge

[balmy condor]

yeh

[spice surge]

So you could just get lucky

[balmy condor]

there's a chance you just dodge it

but evasion is 100% dodge

[velvet temple]

do we?

pog

[spice surge]

Everybody has passive dodge, i think agi classes have slightly more

Just a relic from ancient times

That rarely matters these days

[royal lantern]

last time it "mattered" was WW monk on the first boss in necrotic wake

cus of their talent that slowly build ups dodge

[spice surge]

It no longer gives dodge '

Its just physical damage reduction now

[velvet temple]

van I also get a bit more context for why not to use a more single target focused build there. is it just cuz there's still a bunch of aoe and the single target builds just don't offer enough boss damage to compensate?

[spice surge]

Because you absolutely nuke your aoe if you go for more ST

[royal lantern]

you still spend the far far majority of your time in a dungeon doing aoe

[spice surge]

And besides, you do pretty good damage on 3 of the 5 bosses

[balmy condor]

there's 2 mini bosses in the xav wing cause you skip the last, and otherwise it's at least 3-5 target pulls

at minimum

so it's just kinda like

[spice surge]

First boss is 4/3 targets, gorechop is perma 3+ targets, kultharok has adds too

Last boss too

[balmy condor]

yeah you can get 5% single target dps or whatever playing some cooked shit

and then you lose 15% of your aoe

and your single target still sucks ass

just no reason to sacrifice so much of your overall dps for a minor boost against a quarter of the pulls

[earnest flume]

I assume there isn’t… but is there somewhere with the info of all things you can dodge with evasion other than autos?

[balmy condor]

nop

[velvet temple]

makes sense

[spice surge]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pve-dps-mythic-plus-tips
I have a couple of notable ones at the bottom of this page in the dungeon tips section

But its not extensive and theres probably more useful ones i havent encountered yet because i havent been pushing yet

[balmy condor]

feint getting reduced

[velvet temple]

it could just be that in my head, I'm comparing me doing st damage in dungeon with dungeon build vs raid build with all raid buffs

[spice surge]

[velvet temple]

so the difference doesn't end up being that big in the end

[indigo ginkgo]

super charged and darket night stack ?

[balmy condor]

yes

we still always go to 7cp on darkest night

[spice surge]

I love it when past me leaves these nice surprises for future me to fix

[royal lantern]

just do nothing now and let future eleem fix it instead

[fleet pagoda]

double it and pay it forward

[indigo ginkgo]

ok thanks

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-scott-future-me-problem-for-future-me-gif-25944029

[sly ocean]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[red schooner]

Benched on Rik and we've not even tried it yet

Fuck

[runic hinge]

Should told them you’d get in the barrel

[lavish wing]

"oh i tho u said barrely dmg"

[red schooner]

Nah it's fine I wait for them to do 10 pulls, have someone get mind controlled on 8 of them then get dragged back in

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-the-godfather-the-godfather-part-iii-michael-corleone-they-pull-me-back-in-gif-5625954

[vagrant plover]

we used to cast thistle tea at the last 6 seconds of kingsbane but not the case anymore ?

[balmy condor]

correct

that was the strat in 10.2

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

now we just macro it

[vagrant plover]

okay thank you why did this change?

[thorn thorn]

KB stinky

[vagrant plover]

gotcha

[runic hinge]

Kb going from 1st on details to 5th and no one has caught up

[thorn thorn]

I miss those days

[errant heath]

When you Marco it like that it’s so hard to not run out of energy keeping env 100% up time

[gritty laurel]

yeah running out of energy is just part of the spec, especially in its current state

[lavish wing]

But we can accidentally use more than ine charge of shiv 😝

Or maybe not

[gritty laurel]

if you're spamming shiv hard enough to get through the GCD that's on you

[runic hinge]

I can’t decide if I liked being kb the spec or now being envenom the spec better

[thorn thorn]

I liked KB the spec more

[lavish wing]

Green evis ftw

[runic hinge]

Maybe slightly more optimization and gameplay for kb but it feels bad when you don’t crit the last 3 ticks and now you parse an 80 cause you were unlucky

[thorn thorn]

That describes crits in general

[gusty mirage]

Well it’s nice to have our finisher actually do meaningful damage now instead of being a catalyst for empowering KB

[gritty laurel]

sure, but when the damage is all backloaded like it is with KB it's a lot more pronounced

[runic hinge]

And Shmeeps comes in a crits every tick and procs his enchants perfectly during dm and smokes you

[gusty mirage]

But it’s sort of weird either way, because the historical dot spec has become not really the dot spec anymore

[runic hinge]

Yeah. It was do kb sequence and then payphone for 45 seconds cause nothing else mattered in between

[lavish wing]

Now that sounds like sub

[gusty mirage]

Man that first month of DF where we had giga burst every 1 min with exsang

[lavish wing]

Well maybe not 45 sec

[gusty mirage]

Take me back

[runic hinge]

Yeah I wanna exsang my dm again

[magic fossil]

just to make sure

[runic hinge]

[gusty mirage]

Same

[magic fossil]

with one charge of shiv in mythic hybrid build, use it after kb riught?

last 6 seconds right?

[gusty mirage]

“Oh well I just bricked my CDs”

[gritty laurel]

pretty sure it's 8 seconds, but yes you shiv the back half of KB with only 1 charge

[magic fossil]

ty sweetie

[gritty laurel]

then dry shiv a DN in between

[runic hinge]

If one ability is >25% of your damage and it only ticks 8 times a minute or whatever if it crits or not is a lot more impactful than if your finisher you cast ~5 seconds crits

[gusty mirage]

That first month of DF was some of the most fun I’ve had in m+ in a long time ngl

[runic hinge]

I’m having fun rn

Maybe cause it’s easy or maybe cause I’m better at the game

[gritty laurel]

floodgate is a lot of fun, just maybe not the swamp boss

[lavish wing]

Ppl have fun in m+?

[royal lantern]

floodgate is 1 of the best dungeons in a longer time ye

[haughty flicker]

i liked kb the spec more

[gusty mirage]

I don’t really like the dungeon pool this season tbh

[royal lantern]

im the servers loudest m+ hater that unironically thinks the game would be better without m+

and even i think m+ is fun with guildmates or friends

just dont pug, playing with randoms is never worth it

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I don’t pug anymore to fill vault like I did when I was progression raiding

I log on and play some keys with the boys and log off all week

[gritty laurel]

i'll pug to hurry along getting KSM for a token/catalyst charge but beyond that absolutely not

[gusty mirage]

It’s just cool hanging out with friends shooting the shit for a few hours

And wow gives me a reason to do that atm

[thorn thorn]

The top parse for Flameshaper Devastation on Mythic Silken court was achieved exclusively because they had double crit on Engulf

Rng is a feature

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, thats how crits work lol

[lavish wing]

Imho it becomes stale for me too fast... Just a necessary chore for the vault

[thorn thorn]

Im aware

Make rng a feature

[floral pecan]

Can someone link a good 2v2 build. Pvp

[gritty laurel]

gotta play fatebound, 50/50 chance of your parse being good. you can even purposely wipe the pull if you lose the initial flip

full feature mode, baby

[thorn thorn]

M+ a great addition, M+ with pugs needs to be cast into hell

[royal lantern]

you pug?

straight up into eternal damnation

no 2nd chances

very based

[thorn thorn]

I used to

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Then I did this thing called "socializing" and now I have a group to run with

[hollow river]

#pvp

[thorn thorn]

I dont see why not

[waxen oyster]

ill basically pug if i want to farm a specific item

[thorn thorn]

Some of the pugs I see are such hardcore griefers that hell might be the only fix tbh

[waxen oyster]

looking at you brewery neck

[lavish wing]

That can count as additional affix

[lusty kraken]

M+ haters just pretend to be superior by hating that mode

[lavish wing]

Tyran, fortified, pug

[thorn thorn]

Pugs are an extra affix

[waxen oyster]

There is an epic neck shortage this season though

[waxen oyster]

No if you try to do actual level keys with pugs

you need to visit a therapist

[lusty kraken]

Oh wow pugging in a game that requires cooperation is worse than going full premade

What a fucking discovery

[royal lantern]

i have like 3000 reasons to hate it ok

and i dont feel superior, im a giant dumbass

[waxen oyster]

m+ the main issue is the players

its also just boring being a livelord fest not a damage check

[thorn thorn]

Any M+ player worth their salt are aware that M+ is a massive cesspool

[lavish wing]

I mean, I like the concept, as we spoke earlier, there was the time when u had to pvp just bc there was nothing to do between the raids

[lusty kraken]

You can say that about literally every team game

[thorn thorn]

You sure can

[lusty kraken]

Solo queue in league/dota is a cesspool

[thorn thorn]

And thats the beauty of it

Its always terrible but there is occasionally a charm to it

[lusty kraken]

If you hate pugging make friends and go premade

[thorn thorn]

Real asf

[lusty kraken]

Instead of virtue signalling how m+ is bad and you are so enlightened to hate it

[waxen oyster]

i hate ret players honestly

[gritty laurel]

Rob with the hard hitting analysis and commentary that i come to ravenholdt for

[thorn thorn]

Rets are everywhere I stg

[waxen oyster]

only the absolute biggest inters play that spec

[thorn thorn]

Truly a master of the shit posting art

Commendable

[thorn thorn]

Cuz rets are typically sub humans

[haughty flicker]

maybe rets are actually gigahuman

[waxen oyster]

checking damage to relevant mob

[haughty flicker]

and we just dont understand

[waxen oyster]

see the ret below tank

[royal lantern]

it would help if ret players could go 5 seconds without telling everyone OMG RET GAMEPLAY IS SO GOOD!!!!!!

[waxen oyster]

bonus points if your ret presses divine storm

[haughty flicker]

it is kind of good tho

[waxen oyster]

it shoots out and pulls 3 extra packs

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

Its not even good

like its just yellow combo points

[thorn thorn]

Or talking about how tanky ret (0% uptime on defensives)

[waxen oyster]

but slower

[royal lantern]

eh, thats a subjective thing in the end

like, if people like it sure

[waxen oyster]

Everyone seems non tanky

compared to dk

and lock

[lavish wing]

Fdk got nerfed

Dk in general

[thorn thorn]

Evoker very tanky

[waxen oyster]

dk dps players

casually talking about eating 8 boss melees

in a row

[royal lantern]

and then heal too full hp by pressing deathstrike once

[waxen oyster]

also having a 45s cd “i do not consent to doing mechanics” button

[lavish wing]

With occasional proc from the rider

[thorn thorn]

They have 2 of those actually

[waxen oyster]

oh right

[thorn thorn]

AMS and DA

[waxen oyster]

isnt unholy better though

[thorn thorn]

DA occasionally gives you mechanic immunity

[waxen oyster]

and they play sanlayn

iirc

[thorn thorn]

Both get deaths advance

And ams

[waxen oyster]

dk on raszageth

[thorn thorn]

Rider just gets to be fast during it

[lavish wing]

Dk has "u dont stun me", "u dont fear me" and "not doing mechanics" buttons

[waxen oyster]

oh ngl i forget so often

[lavish wing]

And da

[waxen oyster]

that lichborne is seperate

from ibf

[lavish wing]

Yip

Thats why fdk was my first alt always

[gusty mirage]

They’re just the better player guys

We should just get good tbh

[waxen oyster]

waiting for the first outdoor raid

and dks just perma mounted

in combat as rider

[dapper cradle]

Doodoo caca diaper splatter type shit

[waxen oyster]

I mean i like bdk

dont get me wrong

frost is ret pally levels of crayon consumption though

[lavish wing]

Heeey

We never get to see the dmg of a ret

Maybe now after like eons

[waxen oyster]

i mean i feel like

[lavish wing]

Fdk was good for 2 weeks in s1, raid wise

[waxen oyster]

they’re usually mid pack-good

yet everyone plays ret

regardless of tuning

Yeah like my dk main friend said as soon as bos is the better performing build for frost the playerbase falls off a cliff.

[lavish wing]

Still cant believe blizu cant figure out bos

[waxen oyster]

Enhance playerbase also fell off a fucking cliff this season

[lavish wing]

They did narrow it down to like 20-30s but still

[onyx gyro]

Where did they go?

[waxen oyster]

all playing ele

i think

[lavish wing]

Still remember SL 3min BoS 🤣

[waxen oyster]

given enh isnt turbo overtuned i feel people always play ele more

[onyx gyro]

Range always easier to play mechanics

[waxen oyster]

Idk i like it more without the degenerate pray for. a million sunder procs

[royal lantern]

wow does favor ranged overall

[waxen oyster]

Last i checked 80% of eles spells are instant

[onyx gyro]

Ya

Mplus little more hard casting

[royal lantern]

Replace "ele" with any ranged caster, and its still correct

[lavish wing]

Arcane 🤣

[onyx gyro]

I play ele and alt rogue I have a hell of time with being in range of target lol

[waxen oyster]

fire mage

wtf is this “cast” you speak of

enhance is also hella whack a mole tbh

which i guess to part of the playerbase is offputting

[onyx gyro]

People want easy specs do good damage like ret paladin or boomkin(in mplus)

[waxen oyster]

bm hunter

[onyx gyro]

Ret such a popular spec

[waxen oyster]

This season dungeons dont feel like theres one ridiculous overperformer in damage

[onyx gyro]

Ya it’s kind of a nice season without aug 😊

[waxen oyster]

Crazy as soon as you remove aug

the game is a bit more balanced

[thorn thorn]

Probably because they got sick of people complaining about exodia comps

Exodia will not be missed

[waxen oyster]

unless they buff aug again

[thorn thorn]

Unlikely

They killed it pretty intentionally

It was already projected to be in the low end on the ptr but the final nerf it got was a pretty clear message they were sending

[waxen oyster]

one can hope

it stays there

[thorn thorn]

It needs to

Until they figure out the ancient technology of converting its buffs into flat damage effects the lowest end is where it needs to stay

[waxen oyster]

Here’s my other spicy take

Get rid of time spiral

[thorn thorn]

Getting rid of spatial is far more likely

Spatial has given healers "little bitch" syndrome

[waxen oyster]

Yeah spatial is kind of stupid

[waxen oyster]

so priests mainly?

[thorn thorn]

The culprit is mostly priests

In amirdrassil we had many-a aug players saying their priest died cuz they didnt get spatial

So they were willingly standing in swirlies cuz they didnt get spatial

Little bitch behavior

[waxen oyster]

yeah honestly

angel form on cd

is the norm

[thorn thorn]

Time Spiral isnt nearly as strong as people think it is, its situational

For some classes its just completely useless (lock)

[orchid talon]

hey everyone! I'm recently starting to play sub rogue coming from assa and for m+ I noticed that my aoe dps is considerably lower. Do i have to manually target multiple enemies to rupture or do we only use it on the focus? Also is it normal for sub to do way less in aoe than assa? Because my sim also coincides with this result

[waxen oyster]

I swear i spend so much time in raid just listening to priests and evokers talking about taxi service

[thorn thorn]

Evokers are priest taxis nowadays

Especially since Rescue clears roots now

[waxen oyster]

always have been

[orchid talon]

I kinda remember playing sub in DF s1 and if im not wrong i used to rupture several mobs but not sure if thats changed because all guides dont really mention how to use it

[waxen oyster]

gnome or dragon angle

you still rupture on the gather yes

[thorn thorn]

Priests become completely helpless without an Evoker to spoonfeed them rescue and spatial

[waxen oyster]

Number of “missed spatial” after seeing a dead priest raidframe

[orchid talon]

should i try to rupture all mobs or is there a cap where im supposed to stop like max 3-4 ruptures

[waxen oyster]

You judge on key level and how long shit lives

[orchid talon]

ah ok so based on pack

[waxen oyster]

Better asking in the sub channel

[orchid talon]

oh

[waxen oyster]

majority of your damage is in cds

[orchid talon]

i thought i was in the sub channel wtf

im stupid

my bad

[runic hinge]

Too many blue names in here to tell

[orchid talon]

yeah lol

sorry guys will ask there

[waxen oyster]

Sub has decent aoe

[runic hinge]

No prob and good luck

[waxen oyster]

think assa is still better though

also being able to do 5m on a 3 mob pack lol

[spice surge]

Assa is more of a sustained class

[thorn thorn]

Buff KB

[spice surge]

Sub is incredibly burst focused, so if you do poorly or dont play around your cds youll do way less as sub

But sub is definitely alright

[whole mantle]

hey, how is our single in m+?

[spice surge]

Very bad

[whole mantle]

is feel worst them other specs?

idk i'm doing like 1.5k haha

feeling a bot

[waxen oyster]

Yeah 1.5m is kind of

the norm

[waxen oyster]

Ye your dam outside cds kind of not relevant

[spice surge]

Eleem Sudden Demise Darkfuse Bloodwarper 1: 26 984 248

[waxen oyster]

Did you shiv and tea

in demise range

[spice surge]

Demisemaxxing

[lavish geyser]

do we have the bleed build posted somewhere?

[spice surge]

Deathmark had like 2s left

[waxen oyster]

its on wowhead

and has been there since pre s1

i think….

[lavish geyser]

thanks. its good for low keys, right? im just boosting some 10s

[spice surge]

Good for keys

Period

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it can be

idk i just play whatever alleviates my boredom

[lavish geyser]

rly? dont you give up alot of prio?

[waxen oyster]

so swap it up

not really

[spice surge]

Nop

Actually higher prio on low target cleave

[lavish geyser]

-.-

so its just flat out better then hybrid?

[waxen oyster]

Hybrid has fatter spatters

hybrid loses more playing iron wire

[spice surge]

No tea and not a whole lot left of crimson, definitely possible to go higher if you actually try to demisemaxx

I was just playing the key

[waxen oyster]

reaching 20m in first room cinderbrew is fun though

[waxen oyster]

Whats that line in your energy bar

[spice surge]

To not proc the tea, but it kinda doesnt matter

Dont really look at it much, just a remnant

[lavish geyser]

so is it just the build to play?

[haughty flicker]

it is a build to play

[waxen oyster]

They perform kind of similar

I play bleed if the other 2 dps are geared

in a 10 or below

[kindred timber]

guys iam struggleing super low energy recovery in m+

my haste is 3k

[waxen oyster]

bleed more mobs

[kindred timber]

you think its about my haste?

[coral ibex]

no

[kindred timber]

on boss

[spice surge]

It has nothing to do with your haste

[kindred timber]

only

[lament berry]

you should bleed more mob

[spice surge]

Thats how the spec works

Getting more haste wont fix it

[kindred timber]

my bad i didnt note on boss only

[waxen oyster]

Yeah its a slow spec

by design

balances out outlaw being a crackbaby

[kindred timber]

ppl have 6-7 haste i think it would help doesnt it?

[coral ibex]

no

[lament berry]

nope

[waxen oyster]

i play with like

1% haste in keys

feels fine

[coral ibex]

you would need 75% haste

[kindred timber]

so 3k or 7k on boss still sucks

[waxen oyster]

yeah its not even that slow

you just cant spam

[lament berry]

well i just dont spam envenoms on boss and literaly wait till 0.5 sec left

1.4-1.6 ST

[kindred timber]

exactly

[lament berry]

its not good as sub on ST but yeah not to bad since the overall damage is accurate

[kindred timber]

sub?

you mean assa?

[lament berry]

nah i just compared both spec

was talking about sin ofc

[kindred timber]

hum

[waxen oyster]

Yeah its called balance

[lament berry]

haste is only for outlaw

[kindred timber]

iam playing sub too but i think sub is dead

[waxen oyster]

for how good the aoe is

[spice surge]

Sub is fine

[lament berry]

sub is fine

[haughty flicker]

sub is fine

[spice surge]

Assa generally better if you dont know your tank and are playing some of the big pull dungeons

Since you dont really have powerful cooldowns that needs to be played around as assa

You just do fucktons of damage all the time in aoe

[kindred timber]

btw idont i had around 6k haste today i changed some staff now i have 3k haste and struggeling so much to recover energy or its just about i played sub this week

[waxen oyster]

I mean sub is also slow during its downtime

[kindred timber]

was wondering come here to ask you about it

[spice surge]

Again, your haste doesnt matter

[pure moth]

If you're energy starved in m+ it's because you're not bleeding enough mobs.

[spice surge]

Assa is going to be slow on ST

[kindred timber]

on boss only my mean

[spice surge]

Thats how the spec works, if you dont want to run out of energy you need to pull mobs ontop of the boss

[waxen oyster]

^

[kindred timber]

hum

[lament berry]

as i said you dont rush envenom

on boss

i can still 1.5 without this

[waxen oyster]

nah thats useless

[lament berry]

as i said just dont rush

[haughty flicker]

[magic thorn]

Hey @balmy condor did you make changes to the api again in the last couple of hours ?

[balmy condor]

went live this morning

[tight compass]

is there anyone with a PoV of sprocken mythic on assa rogue ?

[waxen oyster]

Just watch a sub pov?

movement shouldnt be different

[tight compass]

thats my backup plan ^^ just wanted to see if anyone had one

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean i just dont see any benefit of specifically assa one

since it isnt a particular cds boss

[tight compass]

just for comfort tbh, didnt think id pick up any tips 😄

[waxen oyster]

the funnier one was looking for a stix pov

and every person just said “yeah benched myself”

[tight compass]

we ran double assa rogue first few nights

[waxen oyster]

💀

i would never run double rogue

thats grief

[tight compass]

killed with 1x outlaw and me as assa

we have 3

[waxen oyster]

outlaw is unironically probably best bombshell killer

since they can swap targets easier

[tight compass]

comp isnt optimal, we have a small recruitment pool

yeah he topped bombshell, i topped boss

[waxen oyster]

Like if you could make a melee never get ball

i’d probs play it

Assa can easily be right behind boomies on overall dam tbh

[haughty flicker]

just have a druid use symbiosis on you so you can growl boss first ball set

and not get it again until everyone else goes through

[waxen oyster]

idk its like a tier of

if your ranged dont do their job

life is so much harder

Also doesnt help fire is straight up as big an offender as sin of never getting off boss

ignite cleave too stronk

[humble verge]

https://puu.sh/KqTd2/b63821369d.png

giga gaming

[thorn thorn]

Nerf mage

[merry holly]

is there a way to remove affix other than cloak ?

[waxen oyster]

dwarf

[merry holly]

shit Sadge

[haughty flicker]

sin is pretty funny on first boss floodgate lmao

[livid marlin]

Woo did a 11 dfc, however I got the affix on third boss , every time, and couldnt even dps because i had too run far , :p

[haughty flicker]

perma scent of blood and energy gen

[livid marlin]

also i am soo squishy, i feint, and everything, but i just get hit like a truck, dno why

[thorn thorn]

Do you have elusiveness or cheat

[livid marlin]

Yep cheat

[thorn thorn]

Then thats probably why

Feint is just avoidance without elusiveness

[livid marlin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y2pDAa1xMXqT6Jb4?fight=1 , if its possible to see how many defs i use, and if anything is wrong, would that be possible to do if anyone can please, as I just dont want to die alot xD

[haughty flicker]

elusiveness starts to become mandatory as you climb keys

unless you're outlaw and need cheat death to use ks

[livid marlin]

Ahh okays ty

[livid marlin]

is that better

[haughty flicker]

yeah just swap cheat for elusiveness

and feint will work on things other than just aoe damage

you still start to fall over to things like bleeds as you keep climbing but its better than nothing

[thorn thorn]

There is a way to check how helpful your mitigations were on WCL

But based on the info there its looking like cheat was your most valuable currently 💀

Prolly cuz no elusiveness

Cloak isnt currently included

[haughty flicker]

14 cheat deaths

[livid marlin]

Sis was going through ittttt

Trustttt

I don’t know if I’m going crazy but here me out

It was the same on my fire mage , nothing on floor , nothing bleeding, nothing atall, and I just take random dmg

[thorn thorn]

14 instances of damage reduced as a result

Cheat gives you heavy DR after it triggers for a bit

[livid marlin]

I notice the groups health not moved but I’m always nearly dying

[haughty flicker]

oh it does have that dr

yeah i forgot about that

[thorn thorn]

Its accounting for the hit that triggered cheat and the DR after

[haughty flicker]

half the time when i trigger cheat i immediately fall over anyway so forgot it gave dr

[livid marlin]

What’s dr? Damage reduction ?

[haughty flicker]

ye

[thorn thorn]

You were also the shamans least healed target

Which may or may not contribute to the feeling

If your healing taken is low it either means you died a lot, you didnt need healing, or you werent getting healed

[livid marlin]

He was a guildie , maybe he was baiting me ahha

[thorn thorn]

Maybe

[livid marlin]

I'm not too sure, but thankyou for the help again 🙂

[thorn thorn]

For the future tho this is how you can see mitigations

Its partially incomplete so some things are missing

[livid marlin]

Thankyou very much

[haughty flicker]

oops

[thorn thorn]

What year is it

[haughty flicker]

of the spear

i was telling guildie to play survival or no balls

[thorn thorn]

Im playing WW currently

[livid marlin]

ww slaps

[thorn thorn]

Im fotm scum

[livid marlin]

ahahahhaha

whatever gets u in keys

gg

xD

[thorn thorn]

Healer privilege

[formal field]

when do we replace old 4P? at 2 P or 4P?

[tall jay]

Guys, dumb question, but, is there an way to track all our interrupts stuns blinds stops so we can see how we are doing and a “team” or better way to say this effective stops?

[thorn thorn]

MRT or Omni CD

[tall jay]

I meant in like total over all in like details

[thorn thorn]

Hrm

Details should have a script by default that shows how many ccs were applied

It might be part of the Elitism addon for it though (fair warning, it comes with a function that announces avoidable damage taken in chat)

It should be under Miscellaneous?

[solid pilot]

was using it

people were pointing since I most of thee time was 2-3 in dmg taken

which contributed to not wiping

pulling extra

or sacrificing to interrupt important cast that would otherwise get us with our behinds on the wall

and pegged mercileslly

[thorn thorn]

[solid pilot]

like volley on priory

[thorn thorn]

I like it for avoidable damage taken

[solid pilot]

blind on cd

cloak on cd

me, gentelman and handsome guy

20% hp

ss kick

and dead

we timed XD

sometimes

a true homie

has to take one for the team

those are the rules, i didnt write them

[fleet pagoda]

iron wire wins those, no deaths

[thorn thorn]

[solid pilot]

ah no that wasnt possible

vanish didnt come back

[placid egret]

!wa

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[solid pilot]

and had to actually protect myself (i still forget about evasion 20% magic red)

dodged that fireball like a pro

tho I no longer dodge doggy on workshop

with vanish i mean

[fleet pagoda]

yeah I gotcha, i'm just glazing iron wire. aint no way that pulls over in 12s

[solid pilot]

especially with dh

who forgot he went with a party

not on a weekend jog

not all are half brained

ppl

but most

and ever since i run as sin

it doesnt iritate me as much

as it did on outlaw xD

[formal field]

when do we replace season 1 4P? at 2 P or 4P?

[solid pilot]

4p

its nerfed

[digital venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eZEqTZET3Gkbuqfmq8YqoS

Why is the sim saying a high mast low crit neck worst than a high haste low mast one at the same ilvl? Is it because I'll be haste starved without the haste?

[gritty laurel]

yeah, you swap to new set as soon as you get it, 2+2 is notably better than old 4 thanks to ilvl

[gritty laurel]

yeah, you have mastery on literally every piece of gear except gloves and haste on literally only gloves

[digital venture]

ty

[austere willow]

is there a new mythic+ talents this season or same as last season?

[fleet pagoda]

guides in pins have a few builds

[mystic osprey]

!sstats

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[ruby birch]

[royal lantern]

lol leech instead of avoidance

try again

[mystic osprey]

!wa

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[whole mason]

!wa

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[static glacier]

Imagine wanting to grief ur healing log smh

[mystic osprey]

Hiya!

[storm forum]

i love assa rogue

[fleet pagoda]

[brave comet]

very hard rotation, does 4m at the end of the dungeon

[fleet pagoda]

that looks like our st distribution

[haughty flicker]

what dungeon was this

thats kind of a wild breakdown for what looks like kotg

[runic hinge]

SAME

[frank trench]

can death mark and kingsbane be macroed together?

[runic hinge]

No

They are both on gcd

You want a shiv in between anyways

[storm forum]

Btw I'm breaking up with bleed build, I'm a hybrid gamer now.

[runic hinge]

Idk

Bleed so fun

Most spamming 10’s for now anyways

[spice surge]

Smh my head

[storm forum]

I just feel like there's so many lieutenant-types in each dungeon

Spatter feels rly good off of those

Unless ur in a wild arcane/fire/assa group and the masterminds actually die before anyone's done with their burst

[spice surge]

Going of sims bleed doesnt actually do much less prio

[storm forum]

But then the masterminds dead in 10 seconds and it's fine lol

[runic hinge]

I am running bleed with kb and ma instead of sbs and doomblade

[haughty flicker]

me running dungeons with arcane mage and dev evoker

so kingsbane is never happening

[runic hinge]

Traitor to my flair but it’s pretty fun

[storm forum]

Lol fair

[storm forum]

I'm not a bot 😠 I play bad

[runic hinge]

I do kinda feel like without kb the spec feels kinda empty but also CT is huge. Idk why it’s been buffed so much lol

[spice surge]

Im pretty convinced bleed is just straightup better than hybrid

[haughty flicker]

i think so too

[storm forum]

I'm probably just playing wrong then

[haughty flicker]

also yeah the spec does feel kind of dogshit boring as fuck on st without kb

[spice surge]

Because its like 1% behind in dslice sims, but thats without sudden demise

[haughty flicker]

but bleeds op

[storm forum]

Hybrid felt way better for me tonight

[spice surge]

I kinda hate how KB needs to be delayed and/or you need to delay DM if you cant use literally on cd

I like shiv being a good button in aoe

[storm forum]

Oh yeah AP shiv feels so cool

[spice surge]

And the 20M+ sudden demises go crazy

[tall jay]

!wa

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[haughty flicker]

bleed gets to play blindside too

so instantly at least twice as good as hybrid

[storm forum]

I feel like blindside just baits me into pressing ambush 3x times in a row after getting spatter up in a 20 mob pull

[haughty flicker]

i do have to stop myself from pressing it in huge pulls lmao

glowing button calls to me

[storm forum]

Lmao exactly

I am lacking in self control

[runic hinge]

Real

[storm forum]

After playing a whole tier of shadow, aka glowy-button.spec

[runic hinge]

It’s like me seeing one mob without dots after I’ve already pressed void torrent. I know applying to that one mob during cds isn’t worth it but I need to dps everything at once!

[storm forum]

[rotund oak]

always favored Hybrid more than bleed,ppl dont know how to kill bosses

bleed more fun though

[spice surge]

This is my character for ST

(both of these are without IW)

[rotund oak]

ik,its about the same(assuming boss doesnt live more than ur vanish charges)

hybrid realistically does more st

sims are good and all dont take me wrong though

[static glacier]

Ngl

[spice surge]

10m ST

[static glacier]

If I cared a bunch about boss dam I’d just play the other specs

[rotund oak]

no boss lives 10min in m+

thats a wild sim

[spice surge]

Well ofc

[static glacier]

It’s just a lost cause on sin

[spice surge]

But your point of "if the boss is long hybrid is better"

[rotund oak]

10min is like 6 vanishes

[analog fractal]

i raid sub, mythic assas

[spice surge]

Is just wrong

[runic hinge]

Yeha if I care that much about boss dam I’d play sub

[static glacier]

I’m just always sin; both raid and keys xd

[rotund oak]

i said more than ur vanish charges though

[runic hinge]

Wait why is blizz getting ddos rn?

[rotund oak]

u are being hasty mr eleem

[static glacier]

Play sub and ol 4fun

[spice surge]

Its moreso about tea charges

Since bleed has way more energy from blindside

[rotund oak]

thats true ye

[analog fractal]

bleed ST sin is great but subs just better

[rotund oak]

sub is ALOT beter

[spice surge]

Ofc

[analog fractal]

so unless your gonna be hard headed

and play just sin

mythic=sin
boss=sub

[spice surge]

Well you obviously just tank the dogshit ST

[rotund oak]

once u send the sub nuke

u understand sin is inferior a spec

at least this tier

sin is alot more fun though

10/10 would play sin

[haughty flicker]

pretending envenom doesnt hit like a freight train

and its in one attack unlike stinky sectec

(big sectec is fun though)

[spice surge]

I aint simping for any envenom

Im a demisemaxxing man

[rotund oak]

sectech does like 25-30mil

envenom up to 10

so dmg/cp i think there is no comparison

[runic hinge]

dry shiv ive got 27 million

[haughty flicker]

yeah you've got some little bitch boi envenoms

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

10m is nothing

for dry shivenom

[rotund oak]

bad gear for sure

[balmy condor]

there's vexie logs with 33mil envenoms

[rotund oak]

thats alo

bro's cookin'

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

[mystic osprey]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[coral ibex]

is it possible to put my passive trinket on cd by re-equiping it before a pull

so it procs later

in the case that i want to hold cds

[burnt drum]

do people every play trickster sin? just curious

[coral ibex]

that's impossible

[burnt drum]

srry, fatebound*

LOL

mb

do people every play fatebound sin? mythic raid*?

[coral ibex]

not really

it isn't tuned very well

[static glacier]

They don’t, you can and it can achieve solid results - at least it did for me, issue is it’s less consistent than DS and has less aoe

Try it for yourself and make your own conclusions, too many people here judge it harshly with less than 10 hours played on it

[dusky vault]

Is magnet fixed or under simming? Its showing 0.4% worse than spare keys at the same ilvl

[balmy condor]

neither?

magnet is fine

[buoyant herald]

Spare keys pretty good

Magnet pretty good

[dusky vault]

Ah I thought I heard stuff about magnet being bis or near after the buffs, mustve been usual hyperbole. I will keep trusting the sims then

[balmy condor]

It can be

[rotund oak]

[dusky vault]

Found the problem, was simming dslice

[balmy condor]

[dreamy rover]

dude

i know this is heroic logs and all

but what the fuck is going on here

what is up with that log?

[grim jay]

well its obviously bugged

[mystic osprey]

hes just an alpha

[dreamy rover]

you cant just say its bugged

how did 1 singular log have a bug

wouldnt that kind of be widespread?

[grim jay]

because he is using twice the deathmarks

[balmy condor]

because it's bugged

lmao

he just took a log and cut the gcd in half

it's a dungeon log

[spice surge]

And wcl has removed it

[balmy condor]

yeh

[spice surge]

But lorrgs keeps it

[balmy condor]

it's already banned

[dreamy rover]

LMAO

oh ok

got yall

[spice surge]

Lorrgs just doesnt filter out bugged logs

[dreamy rover]

how the fuck does that happen with a log

what the fuck

[balmy condor]

logs have timestamps

and there's a trigger for encounter end

and encounter start

so instead of the vexie encounter ending

he just spliced in shit from his dungeon runs

and then hit the encounter end afterwards

it's just log manipulation

cause they're cringe

[dreamy rover]

I've never seen that

so he did it manually?

and purposefully

[balmy condor]

purposefully yes, depends on your definition of manually I guess

[dreamy rover]

yhea thats fucking insane

never seen someone do that

[balmy condor]

not sure if he has a script or something to move stuff around

there's dozens of logs like this every tier it's pretty normal

[dreamy rover]

yhea I meant to replace the "manually" with purposefully

[balmy condor]

wcl just gets them pretty quick

like on logs, they're banned within an hour or two

only way you'd ever notice is when all the log scraping pages like lorrgs go and scrape, pull the shit data

[dreamy rover]

thats insane, I've never seen them

[balmy condor]

and then it's stuck there until they update again

there's also a mess of other encounters

apparently they pulled carnage for 0 seconds

and then did a pull of bombshell crabs in floodgate 12 minutes later

followed by a 5 second rik reverb pull 6 minutes after that

[dreamy rover]

what the fuck man

yhea there's no way wow's advanced combat logging would bug out like that accidentally

[balmy condor]

the most common version of this happened pretty recently

was pretty widespread

they basically took the entire fight of a raid boss

and then instead of a 1 second gcd, they made it like a 0.75 second gcd

which compresses the whole fight

[dreamy rover]

yhea insane DPS gain

[balmy condor]

that was a pain

[dreamy rover]

check this dude out

same person

managed to get a 100 log on sprocketmonger?

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VKbLvJWwn4fyxctY?fight=16&source=54&type=casts&view=timeline

like this

was a bugged log

lot of gcds

[dreamy rover]

lol

impossible timings, nice

[balmy condor]

the fight is legit, but it's 0.8s instead of 1s

so the whole fight is just 20% faster

makes for interesting deathmark timings

[dreamy rover]

lmao 3rd deathmark at 3min

[dreamy rover]

yhea this sprocketmonger is the same type of strange ass log

[balmy condor]

ye

[dreamy rover]

2nd highest damaging spell "throw dynamite" from DFC looks legit

well guess I learned about log exploiters today

cool

Do people like this get some type of permanent punishment on their characters/accounts on warcraft logs?

or temporary, idk

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't know

that's for the WCL team

[dreamy rover]

thanks for the explanations mr whispyr

[balmy condor]

np

[solar wyvern]

yo can the game just

not let spatter work

[solar wyvern]

just ran a ML where i went in and my caustic just wouldnt apply

very cool

[balmy condor]

So you forgot poisons or what

[solar wyvern]

no

they ruptured

i mutilate

no caustic

😦

i tried dying

still nothing

reload

nope

relog? nope

so i port out and swap specs twice

and it works

vcool

[spice surge]

Did you accidently apply instant poison

[balmy condor]

100% of the “caustic bugs” I’ve seen are human error

[solar wyvern]

nope deadly numbing

[balmy condor]

Did you log it

Or video or anything

[fluid dust]

odd question

[spice surge]

Is there a bleed effect called internal bleeding applied to the mobs in that instance?

[balmy condor]

Why do the noses run and feet smell

[fluid dust]

was this after a crash or power outages or something like that? @solar wyvern I had the exact same thing happen in a motherload the other day

[balmy condor]

[fluid dust]

half way through my pc turned off, restarted came in and caustic spatter didnt work when i got back

[spice surge]

Oh ye whispyr, thats another coup bug

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

If you get a lag spike in the middle of the effect its perma stuck at 4 and you cant ever use it until you relog

Or swap off trickster and back

[fluid dust]

whats the bug?

[balmy condor]

Okay well

That’s just fucked network code

Idk what to do about that

[spice surge]

Just dont lag

4Head

[solar wyvern]

yeah it was IP ggnore

CLASSIC

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

[fathom flax]

tips to bump up bomb damage on mythic stic?

bombs being the territorial bombshells

weve had so many <5% wipes i just want out of this prison 😦

[jolly vault]

Should you CT on ST encounters?

[spice surge]

Have the boss run near them

So you can spatter

[fathom flax]

my tank is a dingo

[charred obsidian]

how is assa st in m+

[snow hamlet]

dont ask this question

[charred obsidian]

hm

im asking anyways

[grim jay]

ass

[oak eagle]

it puts the ass in assassination

[grim jay]

rip guys

[oak eagle]

yooooo

grats bud

[grim jay]

its my 2nd one

[oak eagle]

....

nvm fuck you

my guild

hasnt even seen 1 drop off the boss

on normal or heroic

and we'll probably see him on mythic in about 3-4 weeks depending on how long Sprocket takes us

[grim jay]

I mean it atleast procced with leech

[warm vortex]

Tbh i do wanna just try assa again but then i see the st and just go

:(

[oak eagle]

i mean its fine in raid for ST

in M+ thats a different situation tho

[warm vortex]

Yea i mean m+

Also holy shit patron order

:D

[grand trail]

I don't find assa st thag bad with hybrid build

There are worse specs

[robust light]

How do we deal with Adds on HC gally? They're always really spread and die fairly fast so I dunno whether I should bother rupturing them or just keep slapping boss and hope caustic reaches?

[charred obsidian]

i mean if they die fast anyways id judt not bother

[dusty haven]

Hey guys, any advice for using house of cards trinket?

[robust light]

Use it with death mark

[pastel roost]

Macro it with Deathmark and forget about it i guess

[peak bobcat]

who cares

its op

[jovial idol]

Assa is always op

It's the easy and op spec always

Thst everyone defaults to at some point of the season. It's like frost for mages

[charred obsidian]

i feel like assa is always trash tho lll

its o ly resently gotten good

[grim jay]

cope

like full on

unless recently is multiple seasons for you

[charred obsidian]

thats resently for me

[grim jay]

thats wild

[charred obsidian]

pre rework assa turbo ass

im m+

[jovial idol]

Well, Ass is in the name

[charred obsidian]

sure is

[grim jay]

you do know how long ago the rework was tho

right?

[charred obsidian]

df

[warm vessel]

problem with assa in m+ is its great on trash... but i just barely stay awake on bosses

especially after playing some outlaw

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/yakutenok-gif-8647082114664595427

[spice surge]

Calling it great on trash is kinda underselling it

[jovial idol]

Yeah, that's my issue as well. In AoE it's fun, but ST is a snoozefest

[warm vessel]

i dont mean numbers wise btw

just how it feels to play

its god some ungodly dps on trash tho yea

[grim jay]

thats just sin not being for you

[warm vessel]

in terms of rogue at least

[jovial idol]

Especially ones with lieutenant mob

[warm vessel]

its alright, but definitely prefer playing the other 2 specs

but its not unenjoyable at least

swaped to rogue last season from monk and im not looking back at all

even with how good WW is this season

[grim jay]

idk ww is kinda fun imo

[warm vessel]

yeah but ur at the mercy of tuning for 1 spec instead of 3

[grim jay]

true but it got better

[jovial idol]

I like all 3 rogue specs tbf

[warm vessel]

same

[jovial basin]

Yeah, I put my rogue on the shelf for Shadow Priest, was ever fucking wrong.

[jovial idol]

I swap depending on my mood per season, not even performance

[warm vessel]

right now with how tuning is

i just swap on feeling for almost every dungeon

[jovial idol]

It's fairly even I think

[warm vessel]

all 3 are fantastic

[jovial idol]

Agreed

[jovial basin]

Rogue with Burst of Speed needs to come back.

[jovial idol]

Now we just need more visuals for hero talents

[jovial basin]

sorry but its true.

[jovial idol]

It will come back soon

In August

[warm vessel]

i also feel like sin needs just a lil something in m+ ST

like its fun in raid

but just a tad too slow in m+ st

[jovial idol]

Just not for retail

[jovial basin]

Rogue [Roll of Dice] 3/3 15% chance to roll higher on loot then any
other humanoid class.

problem solved eh?

[jovial idol]

Make it 100% and we're talking

[jovial basin]

[warm vortex]

Guys

Finally got my cinder neck

I say finally, only a few runs XD

[grim jay]

I already crafted one

gz

[shy axle]

at which fight length does kezan usually sim better for you over f.e. mecha core?

[warm vortex]

Can;t you sim diffrent fight lengths to test taht

[warm vortex]

Also run 8 of something over a 6 for cinder

and i get it

[solid pilot]

Had its 4 times

Funniest thing i had on cleft

On 1st week

2 warbounds droped

One was this neck

And 3rd that ugly mount

[warm vortex]

“Ugly”

[fathom flax]

we got stix

go team

i was #1 damage and then got bomb 5+6

DIDNT EVEN KNOW YOU COULD GET IT TWICE

so basically with 2/2 VV on sprocketmonger im never hitting fok?

[red schooner]

Yup

[wide ferry]

wtf is this i didnt even know this existed 🤣 cleared brew over 10 times

[red schooner]

Unless mythic adds in some adds or something

[royal lantern]

mythic adds a "95% of your raid must be ranged" situation

[spice surge]

No adds on mythic either

[red schooner]

Sweet

[spice surge]

The mythic mechanic is the raid gets split into 2 colours and if you touch somebody of the other colour you get knocked back

[fathom flax]

its actually pretty fun

[red schooner]

Oh god it's court again

Please no

[fathom flax]

nah its not that cringe

[red schooner]

I'm still traumatised from a) being put on webs and b) blue team being maniacs

[warm vortex]

It and DFC are only dungeons this season with a neck

[solid pilot]

I stopped believing in chest from priory

trinket I saw drop

so it exists

[drifting cloud]

its not really anything like court, the colors should be <20% of your wipe causes

and that might be too high even

[royal lantern]

watch me pump that number up

[night cipher]

is it a sin if I don't take CT in Rik Mythic ?